1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: A free spirit, beautiful young girl just twenty two years old, 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: follows her dream. She and her boyfriend worked tirelessly in 3 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: the driveway of their home in Florida to convert afford 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Transit van into a travel camper, and they really did 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: a beautiful job. I've looked at the inside of it. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: It looks like one of those fancy videos you see 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: on HGTV where people take off across the country, and 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: that's just what they did. But then we find out 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Brian Landry, shows up back at home in 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Florida in the van, but no Gabby. Take a listen 11 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: to our friend Jenna dan Alaise at CBS two. An 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: emotional mother holding onto a photo of her daughter, is 13 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: desperate for her to come home. Scary and nern wrecking. 14 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: We don't sleep, We're just actively looking for her. Gabby 15 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Potito's family reported her missing Saturday to Suffolk County Police. 16 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: The twenty two year old of Blue Point was on 17 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: a cross country road trip, but kept in touch with 18 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: her mom at least three times a week, moved FaceTime, 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: called text frequently. She kept me updated on this whole trip. 20 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Her mother says. They last facetimed about three weeks ago. 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: The last text she received was on August thirtieth. The 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: first couple of days I wasn't getting responses. I believe 23 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: she was in a place with no service. It took 24 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: it was like day eight to nine that I really 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: became concerned. I've been on that exact route before with 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: the twins in an RV you camping out us. We 27 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: went cooking in a Dutch shop and along the way, 28 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: and the mom is right, there are a lot of 29 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: despots where you can't get a sale to call all out. 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: We're looking at behavioral evidence. How many days had passed 31 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: before mom realized something was wrong. Take a listen to 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: our friends at CBS two. Police say she's believed to 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: have last been in Wyoming's Grand Teetown National Park. The 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: video of the trip was uploaded to YouTube August nineteenth. 35 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: Her mother says she left New York early July for 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: the trip, which was set to end in Oregon next month. 37 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: She was traveling in his white van, which police say 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: has been recovered. I just believe she's in danger because 39 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: she's not in touch with us, and she could be 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: alone somewhere. She could be stranded somewhere in the litlderness 41 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and he needs help. Well, is that what happened? Did 42 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: she and her boyfriend have an argument and he she 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: stormed off? Did he just leave hers stranded? My question 44 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: is why is he not being forthcoming and telling the 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: story as to what happened to Gabrielle? As I told you, 46 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the van is found and his parents driveway back and forth. 47 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: But no, Gabby, how did it all start? Take a 48 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: listen to April Baker Fox thirteen. Gabby is originally from 49 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: New York, but she was living in Florida with her 50 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: fiance at the time they took off on the road 51 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: trip back in July. Her family tells Fox News that 52 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: the couple was touring national parks in a converted camper 53 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: van before heading to Salt Lake City. The couple actually 54 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: documented most of their trip on Instagram and YouTube. You're 55 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: seeing it here, some of it showing them hanging out 56 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: in a tent outside Capitol Reef. Gabby's mom, Nicole, says 57 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: she last spoke on the phone with her daughter August 58 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: twenty fifth. That's very critical as a matter of fact, 59 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: because that travel on video, which I have watched over 60 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: and over and over. It's call I think nomadic static, 61 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: but the K static, the K and it's very engrossing. 62 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: It makes you want to be with them on the 63 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: camp or this beautiful, wonderful trip. But it's critical to 64 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: me because her last Instagram posting linked to that video 65 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: and that's really the last day as I understand the 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: timeline that we know her to be safe and alive. 67 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: About the video. Take a listen to her video van Life. 68 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Take a tiny listen. Never goes outside, you know, you 69 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: hear this beautiful, whimsical music throughout and this shows them 70 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: traveling the country. A lot of the shots our video 71 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: as they're you know, looking out the window as they're 72 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: flying past desert. They went to the Delicate Arch, they 73 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: went to the Mystic Hot Springs, They covered everything beautiful 74 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: in the West. How did it all go so horribly wrong? 75 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: With me and All Star panel to try to make 76 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: some sense of what we know right now, and let 77 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: me stress the authorities including Suffolk County PD where she's 78 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: originally from in Long Island, the Florida sarah Sota County 79 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: PD and Sheriff's as well as now the FBI who 80 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: have been brought in all state. The boyfriend is not 81 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: a suspect or a person of interest, even though he 82 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: comes back alone without Gabby, parks the van and his parents' driveway. 83 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: Lawyer's up with a lawyer and reportedly, according to Gabby's family, 84 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: refuses to cooperate with police. But again, he is not 85 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: a suspect or not a person of interest according to 86 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: law enforcement. With me renowned trial attorney. You know her well. 87 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina. You can 88 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: find her at NC Domestic Law dot com. Karen Stark, 89 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: you know her well. She is a psychologist. Joining us 90 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: at of Manhattan at Karen dot com on Facebook, Karen start. 91 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: That's with a c who has analyzed nearly every high 92 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: profile criminal case that I can think of. Joining me, 93 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: Lisa am Daddy, a former police lieutenant. You have a 94 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: police department lecturer at the director of the Center for 95 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Advanced Policing in you Haven and Emmy Award winning investigative 96 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: reporter Christy Missouri. Christy, let's start at the beginning. Tell 97 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: me about how the road trip. With the inception of 98 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: the road trip, they were living together in Florida and 99 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: this boyfriend promotes himself as a nature enthusiast. Stop what do. 100 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: He may promotes himself well on Facebook. In all of 101 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: his other social media, he promotes himself as a nature 102 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: enthusiast and believes that getting bug bites out in the 103 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: beauty of the world are better than being brainwashed by 104 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: the media his words. What's wrong with that? You say 105 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: it like there's something wrong with being a nature enthusiast. 106 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, is nature enthusiasts? Are those? 107 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: Your words? Are his words? His words, his words and nature? 108 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: And can I ask you this? What does you do 109 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: for a living other than being enthusiastic about nature? Working 110 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: at public's grocery store? Okay? All right, Oh, I'm glad 111 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: you said that, because they both worked at publics. But 112 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: that's not where they met. Okay, I'm interrupting. You go ahead. 113 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: Would They originally meet in New York State and then 114 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: he leaves with his parents to go to Florida. She 115 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: follows a few years later, so earlier this summer, they 116 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: decide that they are going to leave all of their 117 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: valuables behind and transform this van into a mini camper, 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: travel up to see her brother graduate in New York 119 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: State and then cross the country on this excursion. Now 120 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: it's my understanding, Christie Missouri. They knew each other way 121 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: way back home in Suffo County, and then she goes. 122 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: Then they meet each other again years later. It's like 123 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: meeting an old high school friend and they fall in love. 124 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: He moves to Florida, she comes down with him. Her father, 125 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: her bio dad, also moves to Florida to be near her. 126 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: The mom and her new husband stay in New York 127 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: is my understanding, and then they travel back to New 128 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: York for her little brother's high school graduation, and from 129 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: there they commenced the road trip. Do I have it 130 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: right so far? Nancy Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Karen 131 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: Starting York psychologist, You and I spent many an hour 132 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: alone in the dark, sitting side by side, But it's 133 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: not as as as it sounds. It was the studio 134 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: watching a live trials. I mean, I can't even account 135 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: the hours that we were together in the studio at 136 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: Court TV, and then of course at a chill in 137 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: Karen Stark. You and I talked about this about how 138 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: when I would try cases, the more heavier they got, 139 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: the more I'd have to watch The Little House on 140 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: the Prairie. Okay, as before I would go into court. 141 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: It started with was just one hour. Then I'd have 142 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: to start getting up an hour earlier to watch a 143 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: double a little house on the prairie before I would 144 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: go in and try, say a spree murder or a 145 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: torture murder or whatever I was going to try that 146 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: day to get still myself. Now I'm leading up to something. 147 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Then it switched to watching Martha Stewart and her home. 148 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: I think it was at Turkey Hill where she has 149 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: where she has a beautiful estate, remember her show, where 150 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: she would you know, you would see her out in 151 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: the garden, she'd be cooking in flower arranging and all, yeah, 152 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: it's a good thing. And that's the way this video is. 153 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: This what I'm working into. It looks like something off 154 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: HGTV where they have people that live they redo a 155 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: little house or a house on wheels or traveling campers 156 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: and you're on the road and it's so amazing and 157 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: it's escapist, but this was their real life. Gabby Gabrielle 158 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: Potetto and boyfriend Laundry go on this once in a 159 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: lifetime fantastic trip and they video blog it and the 160 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: blog is engrossing. In one part, Karen I mean, I 161 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: watched the whole thing, which is rare for me. She's 162 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: in her tent. She says, we're going to hang out 163 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: at the campsite today, and it all looks so cozy 164 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: and perfect, and you can see this beautiful natural scenery 165 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: that most of us just dream of seeing one day 166 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: in the background. And then one day it's raining and 167 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: she's holding the tent up like that because she says 168 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: the rains coming in, and she's laughing. She's just so 169 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: happy and it makes you want to go along with them. 170 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: She's got a very inviting personality. She's totally engrossing. And 171 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the whole trip, like you said, is watching like Little 172 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: House on the Prairie. The only thing that's what makes 173 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: it so mysterious and up fitting to think about how 174 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: beautiful is coming across and she totally disappeared and Nancy, 175 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: when you watch that, the only thing that you can 176 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: find is that she talks about how precarious it is 177 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: that they like to climb, and they really like to 178 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: climb things that are difficult. You know, that's so funny, funny. Odd, 179 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: I was up super early this morning studying about Gabrielle 180 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: Gabby and was discussing it with my friend Media and 181 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: she said, well, what if they were posting on a 182 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: cliff and Gabby fell off? And my response was that 183 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: could possibly have happened, But why would he get in 184 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: the van and come all the way back home to Florida. 185 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: It's at Northport or North north Point, Christy MISSOURIK, it's 186 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: north Port Port, Nancy. To your point about the cliff 187 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: climbing in August twenty third, Dad Gabby didn't post on 188 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: Instagram that the pair were doing adventurous and risky hikes 189 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: through some dangerous terrain during their stay. That was one 190 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: of our last posts, you know, back to you, Karen 191 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: with that knowledge. You know, we took the twins on 192 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: a cross country trip last summer because of COVID. Really 193 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: we had to cancel everything we had planned and we 194 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: took off at an RV and it was just us 195 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: for Dutch oven on the grill, the whole thing, the 196 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: whole way, all the way out to the tea times 197 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: exactly where they were, and Christy missourik is right, the 198 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: hiking was very for karrious. As a matter of fact, 199 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: there were several hikes that I canceled because I saw 200 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: how difficult it was, and did not want David and 201 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: the twins up on hikes like that. But still, even 202 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: though Christy, Missouri is correct, if that happened, why would 203 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: he drive all the way back to north Port, Florida, 204 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: which I think is Sarasota County and not say were 205 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: it to anybody? If she fell off a cliff, or 206 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: even if they had an argument Karen and she's like, 207 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm ain't going anymore. This is it and leaves number one? 208 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: Why would he leave or stranded if that's what happened, 209 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: but to come all the way back home and not 210 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: tell everybody what happened. Either this is really a nefarious 211 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: character and he planned something well along, or he went 212 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: into shock. Something really did happen to her and he 213 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: could incope with it in a Karen Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen. 214 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: If he could draw across country and operate a van 215 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: having to stop, I guess for gas or food, that's 216 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: not a shock to me. When you were at shock, 217 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: you can't think straight. Not necessarily, he could get himself home. 218 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: He could have power. That's the only thing I could 219 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: think of that would make sense out of it. Unless 220 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: he actually had planned all along to do something. I 221 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: don't believe that there was a plan all along to 222 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: do something. I don't believe that. Guys. Take a listen 223 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: to our cut five. I love the VN. So we 224 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: are right outside Capital Reef right now in a free 225 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: dispersed campspot. And we've been lucky so far at all 226 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: the places where we stayed, but I'd say this is 227 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: one of the best so far. Since we left in 228 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: New York, I've only set up my hammock ones and 229 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: that we're all the way in Utah, and luckily enough, 230 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: I was able to set up my hammock one of 231 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: these trees and they're kind of like in the desert. 232 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: It just sounds so beautiful. And I also noticed straight 233 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: out to you, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer. Kathleen, 234 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: I noticed throughout he spoke very little. It's mostly her 235 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: shooting the video and speaking. He did occasionally speak. But 236 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: I want to know what you make of it, Kathleen. Well, first, Nancy, 237 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: I went and tried to do a deep dive on 238 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: who this guy is. In all of his social media accounts, 239 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing. Prior to meeting this young lady, I knew 240 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: nothing about him, except what he is like with this 241 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: one lady. I did, and it's concerning to meet that 242 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: we don't know much. And you know, I have a 243 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: daughter about the same age, and I know her boyfriend 244 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: pretty well. And I went and deep dived on his 245 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: social media account. I can't find anything about this young 246 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: guy before he met this girl. How old is he? Well, 247 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: from what we understand, he's not a suspect, he's not 248 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: a person of interest. Reportedly, according to Gabby's family, he 249 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: is not cooperating with police. As a matter of fact, 250 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: we learned this morning that his parents, where he's bucked 251 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: up in his parents' home, are not letting him speak 252 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: to police. Of course, he is a twenty three year 253 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: old young man. That's my understanding of his age. Kathleen, 254 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: twenty three. It looks a lot older on the pictures, 255 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: but it seems to me that he would have high 256 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: school pictures and work pictures and family pictures out there. 257 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: But I didn't find anything, and so I don't really 258 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: know if the family knows much about him. Well, I 259 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: would think that they do. Christy, Missouri, because my understanding 260 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: of how the two knew each other is they knew 261 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: each other previously, and there's not much previously. There's only 262 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: twenty two. So she had to know him in high 263 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: school or college. She had to know him at that point. 264 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: Then they reconnect and then fall in love. And that's 265 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: my understanding. So the family had to know him if 266 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: she knew him in her past. She's only twenty two. 267 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: Correct that they didn't go to high school together, and 268 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: they knew Brian in passing in passing, and when they reconnected, 269 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: they kind of game gave the duel their blessing. That's 270 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: why her biological father moved down to Florida to be 271 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: close to them. Right when she and the boyfriend moved 272 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: to Florida where his parents are, her bio dad moves 273 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: down there. Okay, got it? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 274 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut twelve. This is m 275 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Nicole Schmidt was Gabby's mother and Jim Schmidt her stepfather. 276 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: At their most recent press conference, when she left, what 277 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: did she say, Bima, She would you like, we high 278 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: We gave him some money, so you know they'd even 279 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: it because their kids, you know, they were excited about 280 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: the trip. They left on July second from New York. 281 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: What's the hardst of the trip that they've made. What 282 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: we're been trying to do, camping, hiking, seeing the country, 283 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: what would over true. The trip was was to end 284 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: in October of Tortland, Oregon, and most of the last 285 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: conversation you had with her on video chat, whatever she's saying, 286 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: I believe it was around the twenty third and or 287 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: the twenty fourth, I can't recall, but she was having 288 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: a great time. She said she has headed up to Wyoming. 289 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: So the last time that we see her, they were facetiming, 290 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: to my understanding, was around let's give it the benefit 291 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: of the doubt, August twenty four. She was not reported 292 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: missing by her family until September eleven. Why well, you 293 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: heard the mother stating that she thought Gabby on into 294 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: a remote area where there's no cell phone coverage, so 295 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: she chalked it off. Now, they were speaking every three 296 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: days or so by FaceTime, and her bio dad was 297 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: also speaking to her. So the first three days pass 298 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: and she thinks, well, she's in a bad cell area. 299 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: Then we get to the next three days as she 300 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: still does not hear from her. So you go August 301 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: twenty four, you pass six days, you're now at August thirty. 302 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: Then she finds out to my understanding, that the boyfriend 303 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: comes back home on September eleven in the van with 304 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: no Gabby. That is when she, not the boyfriend, reports 305 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Gabby missing. That is the time delay. I want you 306 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: to take a listen to what we know about the 307 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: van showing up. Take a listen to our cut twenty four. 308 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: It's Evan exel Bank, our friends at Fox thirteen. Police 309 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: found the van that they were potentially by the boyfriend's parents. 310 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: They are now processing that they've toted it away and 311 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: are looking through it for any evidence they can find. 312 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: Family in New York say that Gabrielle Potto was on 313 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: a cross country trip, leaving Long Island on July second. 314 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: They were headed to Oregon, but stoppering numerous places along 315 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: the way, documenting their journey in their van on YouTube. 316 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: Family last spoke with her August twenty fourth or twenty fifth, 317 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: and last texted with her August thirtieth. She was reported 318 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: missing this weekend in September eleventh, and they may have 319 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: reached as far as Grand Teton National Park. Straight out 320 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: to Lisa M. Daddy, a former lieutenant the Haven Senior 321 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: lecturer and the director of the Center for Advanced Policing, Lisa, 322 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. A made out a 323 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: wish list of what I think as if they want 324 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: our advice, what the cops need to be doing now. 325 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Number one, find her cell phone, examine her text her 326 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: content of those texts, because the mother says she texted 327 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: later on around August twenty seven to twenty nine, which 328 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: furthers the timeline. But she doesn't know if those texts 329 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: really came from Gabby, So they need to look at 330 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the lexicon, the vernacular, or the jargon. Is that the 331 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: way she spoke, which I need to come back to 332 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: you on Karen Stark in just a moment. If it's 333 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: not her on those texts, that tells me this has 334 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: been staged. A random kidnapp or killer would not commit 335 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: the kidnapper killing and then bother to text mom pretending 336 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: to be her that just raper and kill her and 337 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: throw her on the side of the road. That's how 338 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: that would work. So this is not random. If those 339 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: texts were staged, then I would go to that last 340 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: text and triangulate the location, because that is where your 341 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: timeline starts of her disappearance. Then backtrack. When I say backtrack, 342 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: I mean look at every ATM credit card use, get 343 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: the NAV data from the truck if it exists, and 344 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: then get a search warrant for both of their phones 345 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: and all their social media. Okay, what would you do, Lisa, Nancy, 346 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head. That is exactly 347 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: what I would do with the cell phones for both 348 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 1: of them. Is really going to be paramount air in 349 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: addition to any you know, once you hit the locations 350 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: from the cell phone and I know, and you're gonna 351 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: have dead areas, right, but yet you're gonna know through 352 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: maybe tolls or through where he got gas utilizing a 353 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: credit card or an ATM video that may exist, highway cameras, 354 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: like really trying to track his timeline, which is just 355 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: as critical. You got my number eight, Lisa, determine the 356 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: route via the text triangulation and go to tolls, red 357 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: light cams and tag grabbers. People don't know what that is. 358 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: On the side of the road. There's like a metal 359 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: pole maybe four feet four feet tall, with a rectangular 360 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: attachment across the top. It's a tag grabber. It grabs 361 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: all the tag licenses going by and find out if 362 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: in that video of those tolls and red lights and 363 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: doorcams and gas station video, when does she suddenly go 364 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: missing from that passenger front seat and figure out where? 365 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: Then I would start working the witnesses at restaurants, campsites, 366 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: gas stations. Nancy, can I jump in here? Please sit 367 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: in a shop. I was talking with a friend of 368 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: mine this morning and he said it's a two thousand 369 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: and fifteen forward vand I had two twelve. I'm glad 370 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: you corrected me. Yeah. A lot of individuals will buy 371 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: and pay cash or pay money right then for the van, 372 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: or put it down, payment down so that if somebody 373 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: doesn't make the payments, they know exactly where the vehicle 374 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: is and they can tell it. So I suspect that 375 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: the police are going to look to see if there's 376 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: some kind of device on that van to have its 377 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: GPS coordinates. Now, I've got twenty twelve, and I don't 378 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: know if they had an AVVN A four van at 379 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: that time, but in twenty fifteen, I think that they did, 380 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: if that's the date you're giving me. Now we know 381 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: she checked out of a Salt Lake City hotel and 382 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: that was on August twenty fifth, as I recall the 383 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: last day she was seeing she also spoke to her 384 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: mother on that date. That's where everything goes murky. We 385 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: know she was going to a precarious hiking area, but 386 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: that's where it all ends, back to what Evan axel 387 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: Bank at Fox thirteen was reporting in our cut twenty four. 388 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: Would you play that again, please, Jackie. Police found the 389 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: van that they were traveling here at the home that 390 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: is owned potentially by the boyfriend's parents. They are now 391 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: processing that they've towed it away and are looking through 392 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: it for any evidence they can find. Family in New 393 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: York say that Gabrielle Potto was on a cross country trip, 394 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: leaving Long Island on July second. They were headed to Oregon, 395 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: but stoppering numerous places along the way, documenting their journey 396 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: in their van on YouTube. Family last spoke with her 397 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: August twenty fourth or twenty fifth, and last texted with 398 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: her August thirtieth. She was reported missing this weekend September eleventh, 399 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: and they may have reached as far as Grand Titan 400 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: National Park. That August thirty day gives me a little 401 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: bit more of an explanation about why the parents waited 402 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: until September eleven to report her if they think they 403 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: got a text on August thirty, and they spoke every 404 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: three days. The first three days passed and mom thought 405 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: she is in a bad sale, the second three days 406 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: an Now we're at about September six or seven. Crime 407 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. I want to talk about jargon. 408 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York Psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. 409 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen psych or Facebook Karen Stark, 410 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: Karen with a See Karen. I know your style of 411 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: texting and you know my style of texting, and they're 412 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: radically different. I'm sure if I wrote you a full 413 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: sentence or paragraph with all the caps and the punctuation, 414 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: you would know it was not for me. If I 415 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: didn't speak in abbreviations or sometimes just one letter for 416 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: the word, you would know something was very, very wrong. 417 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: So why does the mother one or are these texts 418 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,239 Speaker 1: from my daughter? I'm glad you brought that up now 419 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: to because that's what's going around in my head is 420 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: what did the mother realize? What did she see that 421 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: makes her think this might not have been her child? 422 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: And just like you said, you don't just likely speak differently, 423 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering what she picked up on. There must 424 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: have been something where she went to added that put 425 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: that she's not sure that that was actually her daughter 426 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: Jubb and Lisa Daddy. What do you think about speculation 427 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: the texts were not really from Gabby. Yeah, I mean, 428 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: I think it's tough. That was one of the things 429 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: when you know, I had been hearing about this case 430 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: and kind of what mom has been saying, and you know, 431 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: I'd be really curious as to why she made that 432 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: steam as why she's not sure it was her own daughter. 433 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: So a mom's intuition is going to be like there 434 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: was something there that was nagging at her. That probably 435 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: her belief in the intuition that so many of us 436 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: have when it's involving our children that something just isn't right. 437 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: And then following through on that, and that's where the 438 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: whole linguistics and everything is going to really come into play, Nancy, 439 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: like you have mentioned, and you know, trying to figure 440 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: that out and back to the whole triangulation and the 441 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: electronic and digital data from the cell phones is just 442 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: going to be so critical, Like when was the last 443 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: time her phone was on? Looking at what was stated 444 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: via those text messages and then you know, for me 445 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: not to put any blame on a parent if I 446 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: never would do that, but my gosh, you know, being 447 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: so concerned about where she is and just having this 448 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: little nagging feeling inside of you that something just isn't right. Yeah, 449 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of questions about why she was 450 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: not reported until September eleven, but the mom seems to 451 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: have an explanation for that. Guys, take a listen again, 452 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: this is our cut eleven. Is the mother Nicole Schmidt 453 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: and the stepfather Jim Schmidt. How did you meet them? When? 454 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: And how often did you talk her own before? She 455 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: was a frequently alway at least three times a week 456 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: even face time called text arequently she got me updated 457 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: on this whole trip. Did it start to dwindle? Did 458 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: her communication started fade or no? Not until I received 459 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: a text on the thirtieth That was the last communication. 460 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: I have. Anybody doubts about that tax score? I can't 461 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: come on on that. Did you hear that straight out 462 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: to you? Lisa Daddy, a former police lieutenant. When the 463 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: mom is asked and this is at a public press conference, 464 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: and you know, law enforcement is watching. You got Suffolk 465 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: County on it, you got Sarasota County, and you got 466 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: the FBI watching. When she was asked, do you have 467 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: doubts if that was Gabby texting you, she said, I 468 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: can't comment. That tells me she did have doubts, right, 469 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: and again telling right, It's like, oh, my goodness, and 470 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: the guilt that she must feel that here. For twelve 471 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: days or so, there had been nothing from her daughter 472 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: except for that text message on the thirtieth that she's 473 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: now questioning, and yet don't, for whatever reason, report we're 474 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: missing for twelve days. Guys, take a listen to more 475 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: from Nicole Schmidt, the mom and Jim Schmidt, the stepdad. 476 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: The first couple of days, I wasn't getting responses. I 477 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: believe she was in a place with no service. Um 478 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: it took. It was like day eight to nine that 479 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: I really became concerned. I figured that she couldn't be 480 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: off the great for the long she's sending you text 481 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: messages after the Hall, I'm trying her focust hall. Yes, 482 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: we had we had text only conversations on up to 483 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: the twenty seventh, and I only received text on her 484 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: on the thirtieth, which I had not responded to. Who's 485 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: just a text to me? What was that one on 486 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: the thirtieth? I can't comment on that? Why can't she 487 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: comment on what the text said? On August thirty, Christy, Missouri, 488 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: do you have any inside information on that the police sources. 489 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking to our mom, Nancy, So it's something very 490 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: telling that raised a concern to the mother. They did 491 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: start calling Gabby's phone and those phone calls were immediately 492 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: going to voicemail after that attacked and Lisa Daddy, It 493 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: doesn't that mean something specific when it goes straight to voicemail? Yeah, 494 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: absolutely it does. You know, the phone obviously is off, 495 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, possibly even no cell service may do that 496 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: as well, but not for that prolonged period of time. 497 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: I would be comparing the boyfriend's text and his cell 498 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: phone service to hers right now and get a search 499 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: warrant for all of their iCloud, their phone, you name it, 500 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: everything you can get, including your social media. Guys, take 501 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: a listen one more time to what the mother, Nicole 502 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: Schmidt and the stepfather Jim Schmidt are saying. It is 503 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: possible that she would just choose not be in contact 504 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: for a while and just be enjoying those. I know 505 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: that I believe the mother the stingless powerful do these 506 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: av I don't know. I believe she's gonna go home 507 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: to you. Kathleen Murphy. I know you've heard this a 508 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: million times in your practice. Oh, she just wanted alone time. 509 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: B s Yeah. The mother says she would never do that. 510 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: She didn't want alone time. A mother knows Nancy. And 511 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: I think that the fact that the mother hasn't made 512 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: a comment about that last Texas concerning that maybe she 513 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: reached out to her mother was some news or some 514 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: information that was concerning and the mother was trying to 515 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: follow up on it. And you know your child, whether 516 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: your child is a thousand mile away or in front 517 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: of your face, you know when something's going on. Nicole 518 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: Schmidt says she thinks her daughter is in danger. Listen, 519 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: why do you believe she's in danger. I don't know 520 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: if I believe she's in danger for starcularison, but I 521 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: just believe she's in danger because she's not in touch 522 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: with us, and she could be alone somewhere. She was 523 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: stranded somewhere in her ordinates, and she needs help. And 524 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: I hope that we're not out there, but I hope 525 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: that everybody's looking for her. Hope that the hikers and 526 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: the rangers and the campers and everybody has her face 527 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: and they're looking for her. Actually, I want you to 528 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: hear how Nicole and Jim Schmidt close that press conference. Listen, 529 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate that we're looking for her 530 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: and only her. We're not looking for the van for 531 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: the two commility, for Schter. We need to find rm 532 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: in our home and watching this, you know, verrying a 533 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: blazing right with her come home. Thanks you, and you 534 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: can hear the step dad stepping in. Sounds like the 535 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: mother was crying at that juncture. This as we learn 536 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: just this morning that the parents of the fiancee are 537 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: refusing to let cops speak to him about her disappearance. 538 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 1: The Ford transit has been seized and it's been taken 539 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: away for forensics examination, and the cops will say only 540 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: that quote. The circumstances are odd. I mean, you know, 541 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, let me go to you, and then Karen Stark. 542 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: If David went missing, my husband, David, I would be 543 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: lying on the front steps to the police department screaming 544 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: for action. I would not be hiding in my parents' 545 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: house refusing to speak to cops. I mean, maybe his 546 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: parents are trying to protect him, maybe they think, oh, 547 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: you'll become a suspect. But by not speaking and telling 548 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: what he believes happened to Gabby, it's just making him 549 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: look bad. They look real bad. It's making him look guilty. 550 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: It's making him look like he has something to hide. 551 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: And I would suggest to you that if they've known 552 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: each other for two years plus, that the parents know 553 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: each other, I'd be calling that mother, I'd be calling 554 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: that father. I'd be putting a lot of pressure on 555 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: their mutual friend. Find out where the heck my child is, 556 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: find out what that happened. And the fact that he's 557 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 1: not even talking to them triples my concern. Jaron's start 558 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us out of Manhattan today. In again, 559 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: police say he's not a suspect or a person of interest. 560 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: But I can tell you that Van has been seized 561 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: out of his parents' driveway. He has yet to tell 562 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: cops that we know of what happened to Gabby, and 563 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: he has hired a lawyer. It's just a mad look. 564 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: Even if he's not a suspect. Yeah, something seems very 565 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: very wrong, Nancy. And you wonder, like I'm a fit ant. 566 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 1: I would be there with those parents staying on their door, 567 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: as you said, and trying to figure out why is 568 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: he not talking? What's going on that they're protecting him? 569 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: Something really doesn't make sense here. And he knows I 570 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: really think he knows something that we're not knowing at 571 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: this point. Well, yes, he does know. Whether she stormed 572 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: off after an argument where there he got mad and 573 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: left her at a hotel, whether he left her on 574 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: the side of the road, whether she fell off a cliff. 575 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: He has the answers. She's last seen by other people 576 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: and checks out of that Salt Lake City hotel that 577 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 1: was on August twenty four, twenty five. She is missing. 578 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: The parents say point blank, we have not talked with 579 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: the fiance. We would love to talk to him. So 580 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: why And there are photos I'm looking at of the 581 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: dad out cutting to the grass, not letting anyone speak 582 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: to the sun. Why. If you have information about the 583 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: whereabouts of Gabrielle Potto, Gabby Potto number eight hundred two 584 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: two zero eight four seven seven. There's a go fund 585 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: me help us find Gabby Repeat eight hundred two two 586 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: zero eight four seven seven We Waked as Justice Unfalls 587 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumbs story signing off Goodbye Friend,