WEBVTT - Shouting, Name Calling, and Lying? RFK Junior’s Fiery Senate Hearing 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.960 Hey, they're folkes. At is Thursday, September fourth, And did 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:11.200 you see all of that yelling and streaming and sarcasm 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.720 at the Senate today? For three hours we saw the 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.480 people who are representing us in DC act worse than 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.079 maybe we see some kids in elementary school. And with that, 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.279 welcome to this episode of Amy and tj am I Robes. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.160 I'm kind of being a little bit of a smart ass, 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.800 kind of being a little facetious, but this wasn't a 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.640 great display RFK Junior testifying in the Senate today And Robes, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.440 you actually said it while we were watching. This is uncomfortable. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:42.640 It is and I was actually glad that all the 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.600 kids were in school and didn't actually have to watch 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.199 adults act like children. And the point being, if there 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.800 was actually something substantive, if something actually came out of 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:57.200 it that was a game changer or at least informative. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.440 Or hopeful, or something got. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:04.120 Accomplished, maybe maybe you could justify some of the heated exchanges. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.520 But this was just for political show, This was just 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:12.120 for headlines. This was just for in my personal opinion, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.839 for lawmakers to use. And I believe RFK actually said 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:21.119 this to use in their next promotional video to say, 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:26.120 see I'm fighting for the citizens, I'm standing up to whatever, whomever, 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:34.440 And look RFK Junior looked just as childish, laughing, ignoring, being. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.960 Calling people names. I mean, it just it was. I 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.920 thought everybody had egg on their face. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.959 Nobody looked good. And again it's okay to fight and 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:50.000 be passionate, I should say be passionate. This was it was. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.200 It wasn't substance if it was personal. So it seems 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.680 like a lot of ego clashes up there. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.880 And performative it did, say. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.680 And when you're talking about the most serious, isn't it 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.960 the most critical thing? When you talk about kids in education, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:10.959 the only thing more important to that is children in 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.720 their health. This is what was on the line today 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.000 and the performance of everyone today. I know the senators, 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.520 they got good hearts and they're fighting the good fights 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.640 in a lot of ways. But there were too many 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:27.240 times today robes where these aren't adults acting like adults, 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.920 and they weren't being respectful and they know that, and 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.840 that was very difficult to watch during the day today 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:37.280 when you're talking about kids health and arguments are being 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.000 made that people are actually dying because of things that 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.519 are happening at HHS and RFK Junior and the Senators. 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.960 There was no sense of working on the same team 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.639 and having different right, we have different approaches. We all 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.160 want to protect kids, we have different approaches. Never even 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.880 felt like that we have the same goal. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.440 Even yeah, and I mean look and yes, it was 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:03.320 about childhood vaccine. It was also about every American's access 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.680 to vaccines, especially even those who are at high risk, 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.240 people who are compromised, the elderly, people who can't afford 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.480 certain medications, or people who don't need to jump through 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:20.799 another hoop to have access to vaccines. So this affects 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.880 the health of millions of Americans and certainly the children 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:25.000 of our country. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.600 And so yes, people are passionate about it. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.680 I would argue, regardless of which side you're on in 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:36.200 terms of vaccines, if you're a proponent of what JFU 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.120 sorry RFK Junior is trying to accomplish, or if you're 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.360 against them, it didn't even matter what side of the 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.240 aisle or what side of the argument you were on. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.680 You had to feel icky about just watching the process 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.560 of adults fighting like kids. 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:52.960 It makes you feel good about the direction we're heading 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.680 and that something is going to get done. But to 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.760 give you all, did you call it up? You know 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.360 that a lot's been going on at HHS the past 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.360 seven months, ever since RFK Junior got in there, But 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.040 in the past month things have been even more heated. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.480 Of course, he got a lot of criticism following this 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:10.960 shooting at the CDC down in Atlanta. He got a 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.120 lot of heat because of vaccine recommendations. He got a 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.320 lot of heat because the CDC director that he hired 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.520 was fired after a month. All these things are happening 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.040 right now. But this was already a previously scheduled Senate 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.800 Finance Committee hearing in which they wanted him to testify, 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.000 and it just so happened. We're just days away from 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.359 him firing the CDC director. So as we knew this 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.359 was going to be hot, we knew and we knew 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.240 they were gonna he might be the one. Huh Is 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.080 he the favorite punching bag in the administration? 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.400 He's in the top three. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.200 I would say to name the other two. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.960 Uh, Nope, that can just be whatever you all want 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.560 to fill in in the blinks, but he's definitely up there. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:54.520 And look, we expected Democrats to be fiery when addressing him, 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.400 and sometimes they ask questions, sometimes they just made political statements, 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.400 but several of them called on him to resign or 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.560 to be fired. They said it right to his face. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:09.159 But several Republicans also were critical of RFK Junior as well, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.520 and that was of note and maybe not as expected. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.240 They weren't as harsh. Clearly they weren't. But there was 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.800 even one senator who a Republican said I've voted for you, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.039 and I'm concerned about some of the things you've been doing, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.560 so that some of that sounded bipartisan. But once they 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.680 got going it good Lord have mercy. Now was a 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.960 couple of highlights they wanted to get at. Of course, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.839 vaccine policy, the firing of the CDC director, the COVID 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.120 vaccine recommendations there were high on the list, and they 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.599 wanted to get at something that the former CDC director 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.560 who was just fired said about why she was fired. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.760 We'll get into that in a second. He called her 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.839 a liar, flat out said she is a liar. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.720 Multiple times, reiterated it. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.360 He had several times. He could have walked it back. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.960 He emphasized it several times. But before we get into 0:05:56.000 --> 0:06:02.039 the substance. Let's get into the style RFK junior at times. Look, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.920 it's only one way to put it. Didn't necessarily behave 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:04.880 like an adult. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:10.480 Now, he chuckled. Look, he was receiving a lot of heat. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.560 So I was actually trying to imagine being in his position, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.960 regardless of how any of us feel about his positions 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:24.120 or even about him in general. That can't be easy 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.560 to be sitting on the hot seat and have senators 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:33.680 calling for your resignation, calling you lots of negative things, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.640 to just try to put it mildly. But for his 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.359 reaction to be pulling out his phone, ignoring a senator 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.240 while they were speaking, yelling at them, cutting them off, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.400 speaking over them, like they were actually yelling at each other. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.560 Back and forth on top of one another. There were 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:51.960 actual shouting matches. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:56.080 You're not overstating at all. I could not believe what 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.960 we were watching. Look, we've seen contentious hearings over the years, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.400 and you know what, usually in every hearing you see, 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.039 there's one exchange that makes the highlight real. If you 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.159 will on the news that you got anything to pick from, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.960 If you just want to pick out some yelling. 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.400 Yeah, and I will tell you a lot of times 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.080 when you have it here and there. You had even 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.400 said earlier, Hey, this is going to be appointment television. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.320 We have to watch this. This is going there's going 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.240 to be fireworks, and sure we were expecting that. I 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.840 have to tell you, like an hour into it. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.600 I wanted I wanted to turn it off. Yeah, I 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:34.040 felt and yes, uncomfortable. I actually I felt irritable. Nobody 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:35.120 wins in these situations. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.600 And again there was no information gleaned, there was no resolution, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.600 there was no there was. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:44.960 No headway made. It was just adults yelling at each other. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:49.000 No, don't you believe, or at least I do. I 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.280 think most people viewed it if they had a chance 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.920 to the way we did. There are people on the 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.960 left and on the right who will watch this and 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.680 always see it through the lens of their political leanings. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.239 There go go get after him, rooting for the Democratic senators, 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.960 and some Republicans might have seen that being too harsh 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.360 on them, or they might defend him in the administration. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.080 But don't you think most people are in somewhere in 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.880 the middle that watching this, you couldn't feel good about 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:16.320 where we are. 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.480 I think this is why people don't vote TJ. I 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.280 think this is why people get apathetic. They just stop 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.920 caring because it doesn't matter. And I understand because once 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.440 you look. I remember, even early on in my career, 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.000 I wanted to be a political reporter. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:32.440 My dream was to go to DC. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.719 I got to DC, and I started reporting on the 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.120 things and the people who I was excited about being 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.040 able to be a part of the system and explaining 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:48.000 things to I got so disenfranchised. I got so turned 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.520 off by the whole process. I remember thinking, that's so 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:55.000 funny that at one point I actually bought into all 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.280 of this and thought this was all real. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.200 And I just got turned off. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.480 And I just watching this today, those feelings all came 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.440 back where I just was. It was sad, and it 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.760 just makes you want to say, nothing's ever gonna get done, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.040 this country is doomed. It really makes you feel pessimistic. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.839 And I'm not trying to continue that feeling, but that 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.679 is what happens. I think when Americans witness what we 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:20.960 saw today. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.960 Yeah, we all got to see it. It was live. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.120 This was a time. Look, we we are not we 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.160 have where this is no indictment of the left or 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:37.240 the right, no no criticism, no position of any kind, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.640 but independent so hard. It's unmistakable when I say there 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.720 was some childlike behavior. Look, there were times he wouldn't 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.840 even look at some of the sinners. He turned away 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.280 and wouldn't acknowledge them when they wrapped questioning. I know 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.000 he was upset, and sometimes you just react as a 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.760 human being. Man. Decorum is a big deal. And just 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.359 it wasn't a good display and a good show today, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.559 And I mean taking your phone out and scrolling during 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:10.640 a Senate hearing in which you are the witness. But okay, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:11.679 how do you I don't know. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.440 There was disrespect flying all over the place today. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.599 There was zero respect. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.920 A big point of contention today, of course, and she 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.240 was talked about more than anybody, right. Husan Moneras who 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:31.040 was just fired by Secretary RFK Junior as a CDC 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.480 director only after only about a month now, she claims, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.720 and others and certainly Democrats, claim that she was fired 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.720 because she wouldn't get in line with the administration, that 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.679 she just she wouldn't bend the knee, kiss the ring 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.520 or whatever and do it she was told and specifically Robes. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.560 She wrote in The Wall Street Journal that she was 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.319 fired after she wouldn't go along with with just kind 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.520 of rubber stamping some of the vaccine policy, and she 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.000 just wouldn't go along with and she said that's why 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:05.080 she was fired, right, And this was it got like, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.680 my eyes got big, my jaw dropped, and I even 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:09.440 laughed at some points during some of this back. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:10.360 I think both of. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.120 Us at this point our jaws both dropped at the 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.880 same time. And it wasn't planned. It was almost cartoonish. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.600 We're like, what are we actually witnessing? So yes, Manara 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.600 said she refused to do what she was told without 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.640 actually seeing the science behind what she was told to approve. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.240 And yes, RFK Junior said that's a lie. And they said, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.760 are you calling her a liar? Yes, I'm calling her 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.440 a liar. And then they said, well, then why did 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.920 you fire her? And he said because I asked her 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.840 if she was a trustworthy person and she said no. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:51.280 My that that was the moment like what, Okay, this 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:52.960 doesn't even be as hard to imagine. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.360 We need context. If that did happen, there had to 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.720 be a larger conversation or some context to explain why 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.560 anybody would say that they weren't trustworthy. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.560 Who would say that to their boss. If your boss 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.720 asked you if you're trustworthy, you would say yes. Even 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.280 if that means you're a liar, you would still say yes. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:11.720 Yes. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.200 So for someone to say no, she had to be 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.840 pushed into saying that because it was in context of 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.360 something that she was not okay with. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.800 And when she was asked the question, excuse me, when 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:28.200 he was asked about this. It was during Senator Warren's questioning. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.600 And Senator Warren of Massachusetts Democrat, you know her, know 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.360 her well at this point, but she is one who 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.640 rails against a big compani's, big pharmaceutical companies, big business. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.360 So she was all in and she was prepared. She 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.160 is good at this. Give her credit. But when she 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.080 asked him the question, he gave the answer about she 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.480 asked if she was trusted with she said Senator Sanders 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.600 was sitting next to Senator Warren. He just started laughing. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.760 He started laughing. There was a man behind her who 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.760 started laughing, and then there was even a woman sitting 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:03.320 behind RFK Junior who started to People were laughing because 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.800 they couldn't believe what they were hearing, and. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.040 We couldn't either. And here's the thing. Folks. That moment 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.280 was a big one, but they were just getting warmed up. 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:19.000 We'll explain why one senator insisted that RFK Junior be 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:24.160 sworn in before he started. Also more about Senator Warren 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.480 that back and forth you're going to be seeing on 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.640 TV an awful, awful lot. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:29.600 And. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.880 The senator from New Mexico, in a strange moment, took 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.160 his lapel pen off and said he was going to 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.240 give it to RFK Junior, but then just as quickly 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.240 said nah, you don't deserve it. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.400 Welcome back to Amy and TJ. We are talking about 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:03.000 that fiery Senate Finance Committee hearing where RFK Junior was 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.200 on the hot seat, and it didn't just get hot, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:07.240 it was burning up. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.520 I felt like I was watching a hellscape. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.600 Actually, it was like, these are our trusted politicians who 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:18.120 we've elected and appointed to represent the United States, to 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:23.200 put our best people to make the best decisions for 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.480 our health, for our safety, for our humanity. What was 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.640 I What were we watching today? 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:36.479 This is only only folks, not an indictment of everybody 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.320 and everybody individually, but the process and how we go 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.760 about doing this in our politics today. It just if 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.800 that's where we are, we will never get anything done 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.240 that was. And we've seen tough ones and we expect 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:51.680 them to be tough, and there's certain questioning. The opposite 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.200 party always is hard on the witness, if you're from 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.920 the opposite party that the witness is from. We get that. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.920 We understand that this still was different today roams. This 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:06.280 was a little more contentious and heated and trifling at 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:08.320 times than we're used to seeing, and it just wasn't 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.080 a good display. And we're kind of kind of disheartened 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.760 by watching it today, where you're watching a finance committee 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.120 hearing about something as important as this country's health and 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.200 children in particular, and you wanted to turn it off 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.160 because I can't watch this is too much. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.600 Yeah, I mean, think about what are some of I 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:30.080 remember being in local news or even like at MSNBC 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.000 and watching other countries politicians like actually go to blows start. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:35.640 I thought we were getting close. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.880 To that, that's how pissed off lawmakers were. But you know, 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.520 you see in other countries people actually jumping over and 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.080 taking swings at one another. I felt like we were 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:48.560 really close to that. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.640 In moments, some of this felt personal. They weren't yelling, no, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.040 I say the data is this, and no, I've seen 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.080 these numbers, and no, I disagree. It was didn't you 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.240 take money from this pharmaceutical company? Yeah, A lot of 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.080 stuff was personal. They were throwing jabs at each other. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.080 How many times did he say to one of them, 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.280 you don't know what you're talking about. I have no 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.320 idea what you're talking about. That's just gibberous generation stuff up, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:14.080 He yelled us yelled this at several sentences. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.600 That was his answer to a lot of pointed questions 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.480 or at least even statements, just basically calling them liars, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.000 calling them idiots, calling them morons, saying you don't even 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.440 know what you're talking about. And he said it just 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.800 so just flippantly, like you moron. I mean, he didn't 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.920 use the word moron, but that is basically what he 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.680 was saying. So Senator Widen from Oregon, a Democrat from Oregon, 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.120 actually asked that RFK be sworn in because he said, 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.480 this witness has lied to the senator. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.080 He's the ranking member. This is how the thing started. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.600 It started by the ranking member saying we should swear 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.240 him in because this witness is a liar. That's how 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:55.600 we started. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.120 The chairman said, no, we're going to treat him like 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:04.200 other witnesses from the administration, the chairman being Republican. But yes, 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.960 there were several people who tried to get the chairman 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.520 to step in and he did not, But yeah, he 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.040 Senator Wyden said that the unwillingness is a message that 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.880 it is acceptable to lie to the Senate Finance Committee. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.880 I mean, how many times were people. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.520 Called liars in this committee hearing, including RFK Junior himself 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:23.119 right off. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:24.960 The bat, and a lot of people will agree with that, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.080 that he has made false statements, that he has been 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.840 pushing misinformation, and they say flat out he has come 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.280 to the Senate before and told them things that are untrue. Ah, 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:37.159 but that's how it started. It kind of set a 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.080 tone for the direction things were going to go. The 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.480 other big point of contingent, of course, they how many 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.159 folks I can't remember actually a rope CDC how many 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.880 of them fired? Hasn't it been thousands? 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.320 Oh? I was going to say thousands, Yes, yes, thousands. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.920 And obviously just last week the CDC director was fired. 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.840 There were four other top CDC officials who resigned that 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.359 week as well. So you've got that not just employees 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.880 being fired, but you have the folks in charge either 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.960 being fired or resigning in protest. 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:10.360 And he justified all of this with these stats. He said, 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.440 eight out of ten young men can't even qualify for 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.800 military service, and seventy six percent of Americans have a 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.919 chronic disease. He said, quote, we're the sickest country in 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.880 the world, and we have to fire some of those 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.160 people at the CDC. He's essentially pointing out, look, how 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.399 sick we are. Why were you you telling me that 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.560 these folks at Health and Human Services are doing a 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.879 good job when the country is the sickest in the world. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.560 He tried to make that type of connection, like, what 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.040 do you want me to do? Things are going well, 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.280 so you want all these sane people. That's the point 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.600 he was trying to make. At least don't know if 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:43.000 it landed. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.320 Yeah, I'm not sure that it did. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.679 But Senator Warren landed her plane because she was ready, 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.440 as you mentioned, and her big issue was who has 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.040 access to the vaccine. She kept saying, you told us, 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.000 you swore to us that this vaccine, the COVID vaccine, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.360 would be available to everyone, and it was just this 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.080 back and forth, where RFK Junior just kept repeating, I 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.159 am not taking COVID vaccines away from people, and she says, effectively, 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.080 you are, though, because if you're telling people, if they 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.199 don't fit into a certain category, that they then have 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.520 to go to their doctor to get a prescription, and 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.040 some doctors aren't even sure who they can write prescriptions for, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.879 and so you are effectively by not recommending that the 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.320 COVID vaccine be available to everybody, by only recommending that 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.480 it is available to at high risk patients, and who 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.520 is that? That is murky as well. You are effectively 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.520 denying or taking away vaccines from people. And they just 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.399 kept saying the same thing, back and forth, back and forth, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.119 and nothing resonated with either of them. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.080 And then he threw in there in the middle of 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:53.000 this back and forth that she's taken eight hundred and 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.600 fifty five thousand dollars from pharmaceutical company. So he was 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.920 ready to try to push back or call other folks out. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.679 This was a this was a con you know, this 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.120 was an important back and forth because the subject matter 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.640 was real and this is the one that a lot 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.320 of people are struggling with trying to figure out getting 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.320 a COVID vaccine. He said, he's not taking it away. 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.760 But to your point, right, other people are saying you're 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.480 making it more difficult, or I have to jump through 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.120 a hoop, or I have to pay so I don't 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.280 have the same access as I can. 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.720 Correct, So any one of us can walk in to 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.199 CBS whatever Dwayne read, pharmacy you have, and you can 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.840 get a flu vaccine. That was up until a month ago. 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.520 The same case for the COVID booster or the COVID vaccine. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.880 That has changed because what the CDC recommends impacts what 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:45.240 pharmacies supply, and when doctors have to write prescriptions and 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:47.960 who they can write them for and what insurance companies 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.520 will cover which, so it does. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.400 Matter what the CDC recommends. It has a huge impact. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:21:01.240 Got nowhere on that, Senator Sanders was a to jump in. 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.959 Now he picked up on that earlier point because Senator 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.480 Warren wrapped up and she was the one who had 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.200 been asking about why the CDC director was fired Robes, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.320 and she got him to say that she was a 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.120 liar and that no, I fired her because I asked 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.600 her if she was trustworthy and she said no. Now, 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.680 Senator Sanders jumped in and the first thing he said was, Hey, 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.199 I need some clarification. I want to make sure I 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.040 understand what you're saying. And I think I use the 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:36.520 word seriously. Are you seriously saying that? She responded to you, no, 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:42.080 I'm not a trustworthy person. RFK Junior had a response 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:42.320 for that. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.040 Robe he said no. She didn't say no, I'm not 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.119 a trustworthy person. She said no. And the way he 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.199