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Speaker 1: Tell me one reason why you think bitcoin is really important.

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Speaker 2: You have the unsustainable money printing that exists, the Fiat

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Speaker 2: don't have good transportation, And for the first time, with bitcoin,

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Speaker 2: you have the ability to supply financial tools, a saving

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Speaker 1: I believe that all freedom is underpinned by the freedom

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Speaker 1: to transact. There was an announcement of Trump coming to speak

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Speaker 1: at the conference, and I've been making the case to

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Speaker 1: several people I've been talking to. I think it's maybe

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Speaker 1: the largest and most culturally relevant events in the world.

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Speaker 1: Maybe right now I speak at event all over them

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Speaker 1: I'm a freedom fest right now, there's thousands of people,

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Speaker 1: not tens of thousands of people.

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Speaker 2: You know, what I can tell you, and what I

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Speaker 2: can promise you is that bitcoiners are some of the

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Speaker 2: most impressive people you ever met, you'll ever meet. Bitcoiners

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Speaker 2: are people who recognize the problems in society before everyone

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Speaker 2: else and recognize the solution to a lot of those problems.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, these people that are building bitcoin companies,

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Speaker 2: digging deep and building networks, building relationships, actively engaged in

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Speaker 2: To be honest.

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Speaker 1: Now, you said there was fifty to seventy five million

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Speaker 1: people that own it in the United States? Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Where does that number come from? That sounds like a

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Speaker 1: massive number. So, hey, Brandon, here we are. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: jumping on last minute to talk to me. I'm super

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Speaker 1: excited about it. So welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Mark. Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: So, Brandon, you are responsible for one of the few

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Speaker 1: massive event that I've actually been calling over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of days. I'm right now. I'm at the Freedom

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Speaker 1: and I've been making the case to several people I've

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Speaker 1: been talking to that I think the Bitcoin conference it's

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Speaker 1: not just about bitcoin. I mean, obviously it is, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's maybe the largest and most culturally relevant

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Speaker 1: how many people are going to be there this year.

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Speaker 1: thousands of people, not tens of thousands of people, And

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Speaker 1: there's people from the highest level of politics, to the

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Speaker 1: to engineers, coders, entertainers. I mean, you name it. Do

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, of course, my language mark. You know,

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Speaker 2: as bitcoin continues to grow more and more relevant, so

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Speaker 2: twenty two, I believe we were the largest finance conference

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Speaker 1: But do you think I mean back to just like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly. I mean, I think that you're talking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's pretty interesting. You know. I thought once

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it appears that way now. You said there was

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Speaker 1: could be unlocked for the world would be massive. So

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Speaker 1: I love that point. That was good, I said, because

432
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Speaker 1: we're at Freedom Fest. I just said that I believe

433
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Speaker 1: that all freedom is underpinned by the freedom to transact. Absolutely,

434
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Speaker 1: you know what, We're guaranteed a freedom of assembly, but

435
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: we can't assemble if I can't put gas in my

436
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: truck or get food when I get there. And I

437
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: can't get freedom of speech if I can't pay for

438
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: a laptop or get on the Internet. And so really

439
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: the ability to transact sits under the base of that.

440
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: So we could go on, and we can go on

441
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Speaker 1: for hours just talking about all the different things.

442
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Speaker 2: But well, yeah, and you know to that point. In

443
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Speaker 2: RFK speech at Bitcoin twenty twenty three, he said the

444
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: same thing, which which was one of those clear signals

445
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Speaker 2: that he does get bitcoin. You know, he fundamentally does

446
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: get bitcoin. But he said that after watching the Hong

447
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: Kong hotal trucker riot in Canada that he realized in

448
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 2: that moment that all freedoms that we try and guarantee

449
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: as a human species are underpinned by the freedom to transact.

450
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: And it all comes back to that. So absolutely, I

451
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: think it's huge.

452
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I've been seeing it seems like I'm seeing

453
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Speaker 1: and maybe what I'm just recognizing, but there's been this

454
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Speaker 1: I think pendulum swinging where we had sort of like

455
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Speaker 1: the lockdowns, everybody started working from home, everybody who's watching

456
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: things online, and it seems like there's like this pendulum

457
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: swinging back to like real connectivity where people want to

458
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Speaker 1: get out, want to go to events. I think they should.

459
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Speaker 1: I pounded the table on this quite a bit. I'm curious,

460
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Speaker 1: you know, are you seeing this year being bigger? Do

461
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Speaker 1: you think people are wanting to come connect? And then

462
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Speaker 1: second part of that question would be why should people

463
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Speaker 1: want to come to this event?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Great, couple of questions. So to answer the first

465
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Speaker 2: one quickly, yeah, absolutely, this is going to be bigger.

466
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Speaker 2: You know, twenty three we probably had fifteen million or sorry,

467
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Speaker 2: fifteen thousand at the event. We'll blow that out of

468
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: the water this year. So certainly having the you know,

469
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Speaker 2: former and future president helps. But yeah, it's gonna be

470
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Speaker 2: a huge event. To your second question of you know,

471
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Speaker 2: why is it so important to kind of be there,

472
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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of what you say, like,

473
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Speaker 2: you know, we're out here living life, right, you know,

474
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Speaker 2: you're you're building a life and a story for yourself,

475
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Speaker 2: and it's about the experiences that you can load into

476
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: the short amount of time you have. And you know,

477
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: you can't take much with you when you go, but

478
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Speaker 2: you can you can always take the memories, you can

479
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: always take the experiences, you can always leave a legacy.

480
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: And so you know, being able to be part of

481
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Speaker 2: something as big as bitcoin, being able to help bitcoin succeed,

482
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Speaker 2: being able to go to where the platforms are being

483
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Speaker 2: built and where adoption is taking place. You know, I

484
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: don't think that there are many better opportunities in the

485
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: world right now than to try and dig in and

486
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Speaker 2: help bitcoin succeed. So I think it's super important to go.

487
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Speaker 2: Even if you're not coming to the Bitcoin conference, which

488
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: you should because we're gonna make history there, but even

489
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Speaker 2: if you're not, make sure that you're going to local meetups,

490
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Speaker 2: make sure you're just you know, convening with people in

491
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Speaker 2: the world around you who hold similar values or challenge

492
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Speaker 2: your beliefs, or you know, make you stronger and more intellectually.

493
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Speaker 2: You know, like it's it's so important to just to

494
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Speaker 2: just exist and be present in the world. And I

495
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Speaker 2: think that, like, you know, it's one of those trends

496
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Speaker 2: that are probably one of the most alarming trends we

497
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Speaker 2: have today outside of our debt, like I talked about,

498
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Speaker 2: is the fact that more and more we tend to

499
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Speaker 2: self isolate. We tend to you know, go into our phones.

500
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Speaker 2: We tend to kind of shrink our world around us

501
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: to you know, what's within almost arm's length, and and

502
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Speaker 2: you know, there's so much to explore, and certainly bitcoin

503
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: has so much to explore, so you know, it's important

504
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: to be there. And there's not going to be a

505
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Speaker 2: better time to go to the Bitcoin conference than this year.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe if it was like when Nashville is a

507
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Speaker 1: little bit cooler, but we'll put that on the sad.

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Speaker 2: Hey, well, let me say July is when Nashville shines.

509
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever been to Nashville in July.

510
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: It's when you know, it's when CMA Fest is. The

511
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: fourth of July is like, you know, you can't go

512
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Speaker 2: to a better Fourth of July and Nashville it's something

513
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: about like the summer air, some cowboy boots, you know,

514
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: go to a honky tonk, like go to the lake.

515
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Speaker 2: Nashville is so much fun in the month of July.

516
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm born and raised there, so I know,

517
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Speaker 2: you know, like i'm speaking from experience. I'm very biased,

518
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: but I'm seeking from experience. You want to go to

519
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Speaker 2: Nashville in the summer, and so I'm really excited that

520
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: we're there at this time because everyone's gonna go, They're

521
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: gonna have an absolute ball and you know it'll be

522
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Speaker 2: a little hot, but we got air conditioning down to

523
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: the south. You know, it's not just like you're out

524
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: there sweltering. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go back to something that you

526
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Speaker 1: said earlier about why people should come to these events,

527
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Speaker 1: and you mentioned values, and I think for me that's

528
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Speaker 1: probably the biggest one. And you know, unfortunately for most people,

529
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Speaker 1: even including myself, you may not have like the best

530
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: network around where you live, right you might find yourself

531
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: maybe disconnected in conversations talking to normies that maybe they

532
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: don't see the world the way you do. And I think,

533
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: like we've been fed this big lie or they're trying

534
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: to feed us this lie that we align on identities

535
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: and sex and race and gender or whatever this is.

536
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Speaker 1: But what I found and it really hit me. I

537
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: think it was the first year in Miami twenty twenty one,

538
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: you feel like this almost like electricity in the air,

539
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: Like you just feel this charge, this high vibration that's

540
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: going on. And it's because you have all of these

541
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Speaker 1: people in one place that are not aligned on identities,

542
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: they're aligned on values. So you got different races and

543
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: sexes and all the different things going on there, but

544
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: they all share this core value. And then on the

545
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: value scale you have different levels of values. And I

546
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: think you know, freedom above everything is this is that

547
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: highest level value. And so you know, getting there, being

548
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: in that environment, feeling that charge, staying motivated, getting remotivated,

549
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: and then even more importantly, you mentioned you know, building

550
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: a network and building a legacy, but like, yeah, like

551
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: finding new people, like building new relationships, maybe just being

552
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: able to release and like talk about subjects you want

553
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: to talk about that maybe you're not normally able to.

554
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: But that's one reason why I love it. You know,

555
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: I live in southern California. We have plenty of people,

556
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: but not plenty of people that I can identify with.

557
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: And so for me, you know, I travel, I go

558
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: to an event like that, and being able to connect

559
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: with those people, I mean that that's everything. So that's

560
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: probably what I would say, I'd recommend most people that

561
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: get out there and check it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, It's about you know, lifestyle, the

563
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: people you meet, the relationships you make. And so you know,

564
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: what I can tell you and what I can promise

565
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: you is that bitcoin or are some of the most

566
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: impressive people you ever met, you'll ever meet. Bitcoiners are

567
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: people who recognize the problems in society before everyone else

568
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: and recognize the solution to a lot of those problems

569
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: and did something about it. And so you know, these

570
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: people that are building bitcoin companies, that are educating in

571
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: the bitcoin space, that are you know, digging deep and

572
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: building networks, building relationships, actively engaged in bitcoin some of

573
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: the most incredible people in the world, to be honest.

574
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: So absolutely, it's it's worth it to come meet these people.

575
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: It's worth it to truly learn about bitcoin from the

576
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: people who are helping build it. There's just no there

577
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: is no alternative.

578
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: Well, is there anything else that you want to you

579
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: want to talk about or let us know that we

580
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: should be looking forward to or why we should be coming.

581
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I would just say that,

582
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: like this year has been a pretty wild year for

583
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: bitcoin already. We're only halfway through, and we've already had

584
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, ETFs come through through, tons of major financial

585
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: institutions get on board, you know, the former president of

586
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: the United States, get on board. I mean, it's just

587
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: it's crazy the trajectory that we've been on so far,

588
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: and uh, it's only going to accelerate as we go

589
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: through the second half of the year. And so you know,

590
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: we're in a new cycle. And a new cycle for

591
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: bitcoin means new narratives, new heroes, new villains, new new

592
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: people that are going to come through and you know,

593
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: leave their mark on the community and you know, on

594
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: the technology, and so it's definitely a really good time

595
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: if you haven't been paying attention before to dig in

596
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: start learning about it. You know, of course, the price

597
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: is going to go up because it's a new cycle

598
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: and all of those things, you know, like, we don't

599
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: I don't care about that, right, It's about the fact

600
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Speaker 2: that we're changing the world. And if you want to

601
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: learn how the world is changing, if you want to

602
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: understand where the puck is going, then you need to

603
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: be paying attention. You need to be paying attention deeply.

604
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm very excited for what we have in

605
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: store for Nashville in a couple of weeks, and I

606
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: can't wait to see you there. Man.

607
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm super excited. Like I said, it's sort

608
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: of that that recharge, if you will, that sort of

609
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: recharges you and kind of propels you moving forward. And

610
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, it's probably the most culturally relevant,

611
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: important event that we have in the world today. So

612
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: it's like, why wouldn't you be there? Of course I'm

613
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: going to be there, So I'm looking forward to that,

614
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: and hopefully everybody here listening is going to get out

615
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: there as well. I know you guys kind of do

616
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: this thing where like you kind of keep raising ticket prices.

617
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: I think I saw ticket there continue to go up again,

618
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: So get in sooner than later.

619
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Take at prices go up tonight. And you know,

620
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: bitcoiners understand better than anyone number go up, and so

621
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: we just make sure that we're playing to that understanding.

622
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: And truly, you know, the inside baseball on that is

623
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Speaker 2: bitcoiners and people in general who are going just for

624
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, an experience. They're the worst procrastinators there are,

625
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: and so what we really try and do is, like

626
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: the price increase is to get people to go ahead

627
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: and get off your butts by early, by cheap, you know,

628
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: like we want you to get it way cheaper and

629
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: buy you know, five months in advance, rather than wait

630
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: till the last minute. But we know how people like

631
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: to behave. So it's been nuts the past few days.

632
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the ticket sales have been insane, So that's

633
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: probably be announce event.

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00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cool. Well, we're gonna link to all that

635
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: stuff down in the show notes down below. If you'd

636
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: like to save even more money. I'll have a discount

637
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: code down there below. You can click on that and

638
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: use that if you're going to get a ticket, and

639
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: with that brand, we're gonna go ahead and wrap it up. Man,

640
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, And yeah, I'm super looking forward to

641
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: being out there and seeing you out there.

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00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: Mark likewise excited to see you