1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: and today in the show, we're covering a wide swath 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: of late season hunting tactics with experts such as Don Higgins, 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Gavid dare, Neil Doherty, and Will Brandon. All Right, welcome 8 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: to the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. 9 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Today we're talking late season, how to master the late season. 10 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: By the time you're listening to this, November is is 11 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: just about done and the peak there at least is 12 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: behind us. So that next phase of the season, next 13 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: thing on our horizon, it's the late season. That that 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: period from December through January or whenever your season's end, 15 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: that's what lays ahead of us. And for a lot 16 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: of people, this can be a tough part of the 17 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: season because you've been going at it for weeks and 18 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: weeks or months in your war down. But it also 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: can be a terrific opportunity for filling a tag, whether 20 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: that be killing a doe to fill a freezer or 21 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: even and maybe especially killing a big old buck given 22 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: some unique things going on at this time of year. 23 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: So that's what I want to cover today, and what 24 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: I want to do we're doing here is is taken 25 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a page out of the same playbook that we used 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: back in October when I released the Mastering October podcast, 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: which was a compilation of excerpts from old podcast we 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: did early in the years of wire Hunt. Because I 29 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: know a lot of you, tens of thousands of you 30 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: are listening now that we're not listening seven years ago, 31 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: so I want to make sure some of those archive 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: really great conversations are getting heard by all of you 33 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: guys today. So what we're gonna do is, first, I 34 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: want to lay out some foundational basics to hunting the 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: late season. I want to kind of set the stage 36 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: with the things that I personally am thinking about. And 37 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: then we're gonna hear from four different experts with their 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: own unique perspectives on hunting at this time of year, 39 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: with their own regional differences and and style differences and 40 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Um, and then you'll hear 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: some little bits and pieces from those guys, and if 42 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: you want to hear more from any one of them. 43 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: You can go back and listen to that full episode 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: where you can you know, here here much much more, 45 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: get into greater depth on these topics. But at least 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: this is going to give you a preview and kind 47 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: of give you the punchiest, most important bits all in 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: one place, allowing you to kind of figure out which 49 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: fits your style and which would be most helpful for 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: you to dive into further. So that's the game plan. Um, 51 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's the late season is an interesting time 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: because because of what I guess I lead with, because 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: more than anything, it might be the mental side of 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: things is the most important because after you've hunted, maybe September, 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: maybe October, maybe November, after you've done all that, it 56 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: becomes harder than ever before to just stick with it. 57 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: So I want to end on that topic. But first, 58 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: here's who we're gonna talk about. We're gonna hear from 59 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: Neil Doherty. He's an outdoor writer and a habitat and 60 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: hunting consultant from New York. We're gonna hear from Don Higgens, 61 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: He's also an outdoor writer, also a hunting and habitat 62 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: consultant from Illinois. We're gonna hear from Will Brantley. He's 63 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: down in Kentucky, hunts in Tennessee in other places like 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: that as well. He's written for Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, 65 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. And then Gayba Dair, who is a land 66 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: specials for white tailed properties. He's over there in Iowa. 67 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: All four of these guys consistently have success targeting deer 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: across different parts of the country, killing big mature bucks, 69 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: doing it year and in year out their wealth of knowledge, 70 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: while also not only you know, having success themselves, but 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: also being uh journalists, writers, consultants. They're able to to 72 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: speak and work with many others to to get those 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: different perspectives. So let's let's cover a few of my 74 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: like I guess I call it a second ago foundational 75 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: ideas to keep in mind at this time of year 76 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: and and to kind of keep in mind as you 77 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: hear from these four folks. Number One, the late season 78 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: food is king, all right, dear, especially bucks, but really 79 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: the entire herd. After the rut in November, they're worn out. 80 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: They're tired, they are deprived of of food and sustenance, 81 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: and with the winter kicking off, they need to kind 82 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: of rejuvenate they need to refuel, so they're hitting food hard. 83 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Food is the name of the game. If you can 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: find the top food source, you're gonna find deer. And 85 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: if you can control the food sources and put things 86 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: in place for late season, you're really going to be 87 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: in the cards. So food is very, very important. It's 88 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: gonna be different for wherever you hunt. It's different whether 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: you can keep crops up or if you're in public 90 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: land where you're just trying to find natural food sources. 91 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: That's all locations specific, but first and foremost, you've gotta 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: find high quality late season food. Each one of these 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: guys is going to talk about that to varying degrees, 94 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: give you some specifics on the types of food to 95 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: think about. Number two. Pressure. Over the last couple of 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: months of hunting, deer have been increasingly pressured by that. 97 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean they're being hunted by a lot of people. 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: They're being bumped around there, being chased, they're being shot at. 99 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: So deer are really feeling them and by the time 100 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: late season comes around, they've changed their behavior significantly to 101 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: account for that. So these deer that might have been 102 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: hanging out in wide open fields back and against or September. 103 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: At this point, they might not be because they've im 104 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: badgered in those places, so they are trying to find 105 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: pockets where they feel safe, so sanctuaries. Maybe that is 106 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: a swamp that hunters just never want to walk into, 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: or maybe it's a property that no hunting is allowed on. 108 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a a wildlife refuge or something where people 109 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: can't go into and hunt those different kinds of things. 110 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: You've got to try to find where are these pockets 111 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: where deer have been able to avoid humans. That's where 112 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: they're probably gonna hold up right now. You can create 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: something like that. You can create a sanctuary in your 114 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: own property that you leave alone so that once the 115 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: late season rolls around, you still have deer to hang 116 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: out there, and then you take advantage of it and 117 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: hunting near there or in there. Or you can go 118 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: and find something like this that was created by default 119 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: because other people don't want to get there, or because 120 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: there's something about it that makes it hard. Maybe there's 121 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: a little island that's surrounded by water that these bucks 122 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: can bet on and never get bothered. Whatever it is, 123 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: think about that. Look for that center your hunting strategy around. 124 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: Then if you can find high quality late season food 125 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: right there where one of these unpressured pockets is you 126 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: have got the ideal late season scenario number three. If 127 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: you can find those two things, the next step is timing, 128 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: choosing when you're gonna go and hunt those places. This 129 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: is an important concept all year round. If you listen 130 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: to the podcast, you know we've talked about a thousand times, 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: picking your days, when you're gonna hunt, when you're not 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna hunt, not hunting too much when the conditions aren't right, 133 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: because that pressures these dear further and change of their behavior. 134 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: So you want to try to time those hunts to 135 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: the best possible moments to take advantage when they most 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: likely will move while reducing risk of of pressuring and 137 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: educating those deer. This is even more important during the 138 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: late season because of what I just described, how pressure 139 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: these deer have been, how how high wired they are now, 140 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: how on edge they are. So you've got to be 141 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: even more careful than usual, because you know you might 142 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: have just a handful of strikes to go into these 143 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: best spots before that one mature buck says, with screw this, 144 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: I'm done. My little stancwary spot is not a sanctuary anymore. 145 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm not moving anymore until after dark or I'm gonna 146 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: push back even further. So in a lot of cases 147 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: that the timing is going to be dictated by severe 148 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: winter weather, really cool temperatures for your area, or snow. 149 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: Those two things I'm generalizing here, but those two things 150 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: can really get deer on their feet and moving. So 151 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: you get that high quality late season food source, you 152 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: find some unpressured deer still or a little pocket where 153 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: they feel safe. You wait for that great weather and 154 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: then bam and go in there and you've got a 155 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: special opportunity. Finally, probably the most important thing I alluded 156 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: to this several times already, but persistence, being able to 157 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: keep at it, being able to stay positive and thinking 158 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: that it's still possible. Man. That's that can be a 159 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: tough thing all year long. But by the time you 160 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: get to December or late November or January, you've been 161 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: grinding at it, you've been trying, and if it hasn't 162 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: come together for you yet, I know this from experience, 163 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: if it hasn't come together yet, it can be really 164 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: hard to leave the nice warmhouse, to leave the fire, 165 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: to to get up early in the morning still and 166 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: head out there. Uh, to leave your family and friends 167 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: to go sit in a tree and freeze your butt off. 168 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: That can be tough. So having the stick tutiveness to 169 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: keep at it, to stay focused out there, to still believe, 170 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: to keep working. You know, words can only do so much. 171 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: So I can say this stuff and doesn't really change anything, 172 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: but it is probably the crux that all this stands on. 173 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: This is what's going to make or break success during 174 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: the late season is do you have the mental toughness 175 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: to keep at it? Um. So I want to read 176 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: you a little passage here. I refer back to this 177 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: book a bunch of this season. So I'm gonna stick 178 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: with a theme we've talked about this book, The Obstacles 179 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: the Way. I'm going to read a passage from it 180 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: about persistence, because I think it kind of nicely sums 181 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: up what I'm getting at here, and it it nicely 182 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: sets the stage for the rest of our conversation here today. 183 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: So here's a little segment from The Obstacles the Way 184 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: by Ryan Holiday about persistence. For most of what we 185 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: attempt in life, chops are not the issue. We're usually 186 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: skilled and knowledgeable and capable enough. But do we have 187 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: the patients to refine our idea, the energy to beat 188 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: on enough doors until we find investors or supporters, the 189 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: persistence to slog through the politics and drama of working 190 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: for the group. Once you start attacking an obstacle, quitting 191 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: is not an option. It cannot enter your head abandoning 192 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: one path for another that might be more promising. Sure, 193 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: but that's a far cry from giving up. Once you 194 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: can envision yourself quitting altogether, you might as well ring 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: the bell it's done. Consider this mindset, never in a hurry, 196 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: never worried, never desperate, never stopping short. Remember and remind 197 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: yourself of a phrase favored by Epetitus. Persist and resist. 198 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: Persist in your efforts, resist giving into distraction, discouragement, or disorder. 199 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: Persist and resist. There's no need to sweat this or 200 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: feel rushed, no need to get upset or despair. You're 201 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: not going anywhere, You're not going to be counted out. 202 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: You're in this for the long haul. Because when you 203 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: play all the way to the whistle, there's no reason 204 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: to worry about the clock. You know you won't stop 205 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: until it's over. That every second available is yours to use, 206 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: so temporary setbacks aren't discouraging. They're just bumps along the 207 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: long road that you intend to travel all the way down. 208 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: Doing new things invariably means obstacles. A new path is, 209 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: by definition uncleared. Only with persistence and time can we 210 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: cut away to breed and remove impediments. Only in struggling 211 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: with the impediments that made others quit. Can we find 212 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: ourselves on untrodden territory. Only by persisting and resisting can 213 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: we learn what others were too impatient to be taught. 214 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: It's okay to be discouraged. It's not okay to quit. 215 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: To know you want to quit, but to plant your 216 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: feet and keep inching closer until you take the impenetrable 217 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: fortress you've decided to lay siege to in your life, 218 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: that's persistence. Thomas Edison once explained that in inventing, the 219 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: first step is an intuition and comes with a burst, 220 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: but then difficulties arise. What set Edison apart from other 221 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: inventors is tolerance for these difficulties and the steady dedication 222 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: with which he applied himself towards solving them. In other words, 223 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be hard your first attempts aren't going 224 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: to work. It's going to take a lot out of you. 225 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: But energy is an asset we can always find more of. 226 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,479 Speaker 1: It's a renewable resource. So stop looking for an epiphany 227 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and start looking for weak points. Stop looking for angels, 228 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: and start looking for angles. There are options. Settling for 229 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: the long haul and then try each and every possibility 230 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: and you'll get there. When people ask where we are, 231 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: what we're doing, how that situation is coming along, the 232 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: answer should be clear. We're working on it, We're getting closer, 233 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: and when setbacks come, we respond by working twice as hard. 234 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: So there you go. A few words on persistence, that 235 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: most important quality to success in the late season. If 236 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: you're asking me, I can tell you from personal experience. 237 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're in the late season just 238 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: this moment yet, but on November twenty two, which is 239 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: pretty late in the season, my persistence finally paid off 240 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: and I was able to tag out in Michigan on 241 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: a very special buck. I'm very excited to share that 242 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: story with you. You're gonna hear about it next week. 243 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: That will be my example of persistence, and I just 244 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: want to let you know that it's not easy. It 245 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: wasn't easy for me, but if you keep at it, 246 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: good things can happen. So that's where I will leave 247 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: you today. We're gonna hear from Neil Doherty first, Don 248 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: Hagen's second, Will Brandley, and then gave a dare. So 249 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: let's get into it. I will give you one other 250 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: quick plug here the Back Forty that show I host 251 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: on the Meat Eater YouTube channel. New episodes are out now. 252 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: Episode three just came out a few days ago. It 253 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: follows along with how we set up the property that 254 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: we're hunting there in the Back forty, what the trail 255 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: camera survey showed us in the summer, some of our 256 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: tree stand prep, some of our tower blind prep we 257 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: put out there for the new hunters and for my 258 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: dad's hunt. You get to see the whole thing starting 259 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: to come together, which I think will illustrate for you. 260 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, how we were able to have the success 261 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: that I've talked about on the podcast, how my dad 262 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: killed his first archery buck, how I was able to 263 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: kill the draft time buck. You want to watch these 264 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: episodes that kind of build that whole story up, So 265 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: head on over to the Meat either YouTube channel check 266 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: it out. Please give it a watch, give it a 267 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: thumbs up, leave us a comment. I greatly appreciate your support. 268 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying that show. Um, and that's and 269 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: that's about it. Oh one other thing that we should mention. 270 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: We have a new book from Mediator, The Mediator Guide 271 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: to Wilderness Survival and Skills or Willderness Skills and Survival, 272 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: I believe is what's called. I should have this in 273 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: front of me. Sorry, but checking out over the meat 274 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: either dot com or wherever books are sold, covers all 275 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: sorts of different wilderness preparedness outdoor skills. Uh, basically anything 276 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: you need to know to be handy and capable out 277 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: in the wild. This book's got you covered, so check 278 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: that out as well. That's it. Now, let's get into 279 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: some really interesting conversations about the late season. We'll kick 280 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: it off with Neil Doherty and uh, we'll talk to 281 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: you when it's all done. Whenever I think about the 282 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: late season, I actually think. I don't mean this in 283 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: a weird way, but I think about you, Neil M 284 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, because because I talked to you 285 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: a year or two ago about the late season hunting 286 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: for an article I was working on. I think it 287 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: was for Quality White Tails magazine. Um, I'm not sure, 288 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: but I think that was the magazine is for. And 289 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: I talked to you about some of your different ideas 290 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: in the late season, and something you had mentioned in 291 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: that conversation I believe was that And you can correct 292 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: me if this is wrong, but I believe you had 293 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: said that you would if you had to choose, you 294 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: would choose hunting in the late season over hunting in 295 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: the run. And that stuck with me. Is kind of profound, 296 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: I guess. For number one, is that accurate? Is that 297 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: quote accurate? Before I got absolutely if you have the 298 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: ability to work with a piece of ground or even 299 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: you know, even if you're not owning the piece, or 300 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: you have access to do some work on if you 301 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: have the ability to put some time in you know 302 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: kind of thinking game, and the strategy starts when we 303 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: start getting that whole rut mess And I chuckle, is 304 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: you know the rut? Everybody is equal to the ruck. 305 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: It's pretty much just grinding out the time in a 306 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: tree and sooner or later, you know, you might be 307 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: lucky enough for him to run buy it or you know, 308 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: the buck you've been thinking about and dreaming about. It 309 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: could be three miles of the way of the day 310 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: that you're out there Saturday morning hunting. Uh So, it's 311 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: just such a lucky period of time. It could work 312 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: for you or it could just totally blow up in 313 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: your face. It drives me crazy. On the managed properties 314 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: that work with that, the help guys try to to 315 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: figure out how we're going to get him in the 316 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: rut because you just need to sit in the tree, 317 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: you know, and and kind of hope. But when we 318 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: get this late season period of time, you know, kind 319 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: of this whole strategy session and designing the mouse trap 320 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: of the property and strategic hunting of the peace and 321 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: pressuring and non pressuring areas, all this stuff can come 322 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: together and start to kind of almost put the deer 323 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: where you want them to be. And you have to 324 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: have help from other nature, but you can really start 325 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: to develop a strategy in in work an individuals and 326 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, if if everything winds up, you can get 327 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: done in a couple of days. So for my personal 328 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: hunting property, you know, I forget about the runne I 329 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: would I would take you know, we go as late 330 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: in the middle of December here in New York this 331 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: year a little bit later in December twenty two, we 332 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: finish up and I would give up November and just 333 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: hunt that last four or five days a season. That 334 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: keep in line, it's after we've had sixty five days 335 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: a hunting. Uh, so the deer will worn down their 336 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: ground down. But but there's some strategies you can put 337 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: in place to uh, you know, to get him out there, 338 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: especially if you can plant and do things like that. 339 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: You're giving us hope. This is a good neal. Well, Yeah, 340 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: as I'm saying all the strategy thing, I was still 341 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: lucky enough to you know, get it done here in 342 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: November and and uh pleasantly surprised Will the big one 343 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: to walk by and I was able to tag one. 344 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: So it's it's still nice to have everything often they 345 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: come March and by and he didn't have to think 346 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: too hard. He just had to be in the right tree. 347 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: So it's still happy to take the take the lucky 348 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: force of it. But this this is where really I 349 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: start to groove and get a kick out of the hunt. 350 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: This late season stuff. Yeah, I've really started to see 351 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: some of the same things with some of the properties 352 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: that I've been able to hunt where you know, especially 353 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: in those areas where you can find either low pressure 354 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: areas within a property or if you actually control the property, 355 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: if you can control the pressure. That's one of the 356 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: things I found make such a profound difference to late 357 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: season success. But before we dive into into that or um, 358 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: any one specific aspect, you mentioned a whole bunch of 359 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: different things there that kind of lead to success during 360 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: the late season. Um. So I'm kind of curious if 361 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: we can set the table at the high level, what 362 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: would you say are the high level ingredients for a 363 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: perfect or for a great late season hunt. And then 364 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: if you can lay those couple of categories out, then 365 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna want to dive into each of those 366 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: in more detail. But I'm curious at the top, what 367 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: are the categories of things that we need to start 368 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: thinking about to find that right hunt in the right place. Alright, So, 369 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: so probably that the greatest limiting factor. I'm always thinking 370 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: of pre easing limiting factor. What's gonna object up the 371 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: program and screwing up screwp up for us. So the 372 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: greatest limiting factor for late season is actually not the 373 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: inventory of box. And I'm always gonna trust that bucks 374 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: typically can if you deal with four or five year 375 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: old state usually are smart enough to get to that 376 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: point and you can almost kind of not guarantee they're 377 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: gonna be there come the end of the season, but 378 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: likely they'll be there. But the greatest limiting factor for 379 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: late in the year is to have the weather that's 380 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: going to force them out of their poles that they've 381 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: been hiding in there in my case sixty days of 382 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: hiding season or other places. Uh, the poort and will 383 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: force them out and bring them out whether they're gonna 384 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: be exposed to the gun or bow or whatever your 385 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: tool is of late year. So that number one is weather. Uh. 386 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: In for a lot of us this year we are 387 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: we are highly weather dependent. This year. We deal with 388 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: warm temperatures and we'll get into that detail and probably 389 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: a little bit later on, but we need to have 390 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: some stuff, some temperatures that are gonna burn some calories 391 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and force them to get out there. Uh. The second 392 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: thing is we have to be able to control pressure 393 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: and the in and try to get in a situation 394 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: where we we at least know what everybody's doing and 395 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: how they're playing the chessboard. Um, you know, even if 396 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: guys are hunting, know what their play is, so we 397 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: can kind of play off of that in a predictable manner. 398 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: You know, Hunt Bob does this in this tour of 399 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: the property. We've stuct the deer to react this way 400 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: and we kind of know how to play off of him. 401 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: So you know, it's not necessarily no hunters in the woods, 402 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: but understand that they're out there and what the impact 403 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: is going to be. And then we have to rely 404 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: on the deer in the physical makeup of the deer 405 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: as well, so it is that still healthy. The rut 406 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: is a grueling, mean process in a white tailed box, 407 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: especially if there's other age in the neighborhood, he's liable 408 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: to have at this point in time, open abscesses from 409 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: antler wounds and busted up legs and torn shoulders and 410 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: broken jaws. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff we're 411 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: seeing in photos now, and my customers are killing deer 412 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: that have just been pounded during the run. You know, 413 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: not to mention some hunting issues that can happen as well, 414 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 1: that these there are in some cases will and out 415 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: and if you know your deal with the worn out 416 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: here that's going to change the women to react and 417 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: trying to adjust my hunting strategy to versus a deer 418 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: that's fat and happy on you know, the last camera 419 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: you're pulled and looking to be a really good shape. 420 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: How they're going to behave a little bit differently in 421 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: the late season as well. So all this stuff kind 422 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: of marries and comes together, and you know, as well 423 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: as the food sources in your neighborhood, so you know, 424 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: knowing which you were able to plant and do the 425 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: hard work and in May or June and food plot season. 426 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: With this type of food sources, you're able to put 427 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: them down and kind of score for late and year 428 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: will dictate how that late season hunting is going to be. 429 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: So all that stuff kind of comes together and in 430 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: the juggle those variables, they determine whether or not you're 431 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: going to have some success late in the year or not. 432 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: So one of the first things you mentioned, Neil was weather, 433 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: and that is I think you know a lot of 434 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: people would agree one of the very most important variables 435 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: to late season success. And like you mentioned, it's been 436 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: pretty warm throughout a lot of parts of the country. Um, 437 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: So let's dive into that first you know, when it 438 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: comes to the late season, what kind of weather are 439 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: we looking for, um and how do we take advantage 440 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: of that? Yeah, so, so you know, I'm watching this 441 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: stuff really closely to the point of we finished out 442 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: the month, and I'll tell you from my region of 443 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: the country where I'm where I'm currently sitting right now. 444 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: You know, I'm in a parking lot in a little 445 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: bit of town getting ready to guide some some of 446 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the hunters over the client I work for on their 447 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: late season hunt, their last couple of days up hunting. 448 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: And I'm tuned into the point that I know that 449 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: the temperatures from the last thirty days has been seven 450 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: point seven degrees about normal. And it may not sound 451 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: like a big deal, but the white tail have had 452 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: to burn a significant amount of less calories to stay warm. 453 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: And what that's going to result and you can see 454 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: this in the skinny shed, what that's going to result 455 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: in is we have BiDi fact contents that are higher 456 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: than they were last year and the year before the 457 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: year before that. So I have deer that are relatively full, 458 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: they're fat, and they're not it's worn down, or for 459 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: that matter, they're not even close to where they are 460 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: on average. Uh, and now this is a perfect storm 461 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: of deer and not wanting to come to a food plot. 462 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: You need to have it here that's kind of worn 463 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: down a little bit for this late season hunt to 464 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: come together. And you know, I four or five years 465 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: ago we started looking at this. I really was of 466 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: the opinion that, hey, it didn't really matter so much 467 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: that you had a bumper crop of acorns all September, 468 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: October and November and your property. If you could get 469 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: December snows the pile up a little bit there four 470 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: or five days of below average temperatures, your deer would 471 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: come to the food plots. And I think that was 472 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,239 Speaker 1: were I wasn't the cost of kind of understand what 473 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: was going on there. But the bottom line is it'll 474 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: bring them to the plot a little bit. But if 475 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: they're going to consistently get to the plot, especially in 476 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: states where they have pretty high hunting pressure, you need 477 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: to have a deer that's kind of worn down. The 478 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: fat content has worn down some, and it's they don't 479 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: have the luxury kind of hanging back and not eating 480 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. They need to go and 481 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: consume the food in the good locations and in the 482 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: head back and you know, get back to the bush, 483 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: and those circumstances. We see a lot of these. And 484 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: when I'm not talking about two year old bucks showing 485 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: up on a food plot preying around a yearling bucks 486 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: that I'm talking about the four wards and the fives 487 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: and the seven year olds that are in out there 488 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: that really know how to play the game. When they're 489 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: worn down. Then we see them showing up from the 490 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: plots going a bit and it's not unfortunately, it's not 491 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: a couple of days of weather. So where I personally 492 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: am and we're a lot of us us already this year, 493 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: your seven eight ten degrees about normal for the last 494 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: dirty days. If you've been paying attention to those kind 495 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: of things, the fact contents were really probably higher than 496 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: than what you would hope for on those dear and 497 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: you're here look at the ten day forecast and going, hey, 498 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: there's a couple of days of a little bit below 499 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: average temperatures, maybe we get a little bit of snow. 500 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: What it was likely to take for you to have 501 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: that significant feeding event that you you know, calling sick 502 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: from work and and and charge out to the woods. 503 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: It's probably gonna take a good bit of snow covering 504 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: for three or four days to cover up a lot 505 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: of those easy excess foods and then force him into 506 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: the high concentration foods. Uh So it's it's we're we're 507 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: kind of in a tricky position for a lot of 508 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: people on specially East Coast and kind of the central 509 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: part of the country this year in terms of whether 510 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna get the deer to come out with the 511 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: weather's gonna properate force or not, and we'll get that 512 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: kind of that mass movement where things are a little 513 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: bit easy on the hunting side. So one of the 514 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 1: big things, and this is you know, kind of just 515 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: re saying what you said there, But one of the 516 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: major um points that I focus on a lot during 517 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: late season is my timing and and you know, not 518 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: pressuring those deer at all until timing is just right. 519 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: During the late season, a massive amount of that correct 520 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: timing is related to getting this weather event like you 521 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that will push these deer out early before dark 522 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: into some type of food source. Um. And so a 523 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of my hunting this time of year is doing 524 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: just what you mentioned, watching the forecast, waiting for that 525 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: event and then you know, taking off work or whatever 526 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: to make sure I hunt on that day or whatever. 527 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: Beat Um, I want to talk a little bit more 528 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: about those specific conditions, but I want to first what 529 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: happens if you don't get then, like what happens if 530 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: I have a week of vacation or whatever it might be, 531 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: or a guy has a gun the guns season is 532 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 1: open December one through six or whatever, and it's forty 533 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: or fifty degrees the whole week and no significant event. 534 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do in that type of 535 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: situation when you you want to hunt, This is your 536 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,959 Speaker 1: chance to hunt, but you just don't have those correct 537 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: weather conditions. Are you of the mind that you say 538 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: just still don't hunt? Just you have to wait it 539 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: out and maybe you only get one hunt threst of 540 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: the year, or which is there some other option when 541 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: the weather isn't ideal in the late season? All Right, 542 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: So we've been playing a lot with formulas, and you know, 543 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: I do work with some outfitters and we're trying to 544 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: balance pressure versus results. Okay, so we've been playing and 545 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: tweaking these formulas this time of year, late season the 546 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: year that are not rut driven. Uh and and keep 547 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: in mind too, we're not we're saying they're pretty well 548 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: done with the rut. If your phone's reach six seventy pounds, 549 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna come into astris. A lot of those do 550 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: fonts can come into astris. Does that weren't read in 551 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: the first time can cycle in later. So while we're 552 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: all sitting back here saying at fifty degrees, don't go hunting, 553 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: it's a small percentage. It might be ten or fifteen 554 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: percent of your doughs aren't currently read that could fire 555 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: up and bring the big guy out in any minute, 556 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: and you can shoot him on a six a day. 557 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: So there is still a little bit of kind of 558 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: Las Vegas luck ahead of us as a potential. It's 559 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: not you know, hey, let's shut the season off and 560 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: not go. But if we're strictly you know, forget about 561 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: that lucky variable of a postible esther still go back 562 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: to the feeding window. If we have fat, happy deer, uh, 563 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: and we have temperatures that have been running by ten 564 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: degrees above normal, the frequency of hunt that I'm advising 565 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: that clients as they can hunt for about two days 566 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: and they better pull out of the woods and give 567 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: it about a seven day rest um and and even 568 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: in the big pieces, these are five acre pieces, thousand 569 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: acre pieces, put a couple of days on him and 570 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: I give him a break to try to keep it 571 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: as fresh as possible and be extremely strategic, like you're 572 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: talking about in terms of the weather and the wind, 573 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: and in trying to pick the days when they might 574 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: be ill, feel a little bit fresher, to show up 575 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. Are things of that nature. So 576 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, the cooler days and days you're gonna try 577 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: to go out. We're really this time of year limiting 578 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: our morning hunting pressure just to try to you know, 579 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: take one more shift off the fields or one more 580 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: shift off the properties. Is slipping out in the evening 581 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: when we's a little bit more of a concentrated and 582 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: feeding environment. So, uh, no other type of strategy we're 583 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: doing in uh. In our last book we put out 584 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: we we've heard to it as kind of a drone 585 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: drone hunting. We were kind of taking analogy out of 586 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: the military, and and this time of years where you 587 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: almost envisioned the drone is circular. I'm gathering camera footage, 588 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: I'm you know, hopefully we're in a state where wireless 589 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: cameras are available to us. You're getting that wireless input 590 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: to your cell phones, so you're not putting pressure on 591 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: your deer or you're checking your cameras every seven and 592 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: ten days, you know, middle of the day, total wal pressure, 593 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: trying not to get in the middle petting areas, and 594 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: you're watching and watching, and you're looking for to show 595 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: some kind of vulnerability. At the same time, you're watching 596 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: the next ten day weather forecast. I'm you know, up 597 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: at four o'clock in the morning every morning looking at 598 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: the weather forecast. I might think I'm crazy. You haven't 599 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: memorized by now a lot, just trying to see hopefully 600 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna get cold. And yeah, I've got a couple 601 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: of good bucks. I'm trying to wear it down in 602 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,719 Speaker 1: our place here. So you're you're saying, bam, I'm just 603 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: looking for that that change at weather for book has change. 604 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna start to set up. We're gonna change the 605 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: schedule a little bit and try to get to the woods. 606 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: But you know, long we round the block on that, 607 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: it's it's you get you really have to measure the 608 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 1: pressure and really start to look at things. This time 609 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: of year, and you have to figure out how much 610 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: pressure you can put on it on a weather window 611 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: unlike we're having right now, where the temperatures are five 612 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: ten degrees below normal. We've got blow and snow, we've 613 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: got blizzard conditions. It's been snow covered for four or 614 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: five days straight, seven days straight, and then deer getting 615 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: beat up with wind, chills and stuff like that. You 616 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: can almost grind it, you know, you can grind in 617 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: some cases, grind up a field over and over and 618 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: over again. Uh even a situation sake, standing corn or 619 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: something like that, just put a ton of pressure on. 620 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: They're just going to keep on comment as they have to. 621 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: Um And you can really get a good opportunity that way. 622 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Not and you can't get down out of the tree 623 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: and spook all the deer off the field every night. 624 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: But if you're sensible about it, trying to, you know, 625 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: chip away at the corners a little bit, you can 626 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: get some really good honey. And but this is not 627 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: one of those years where you can manhandle a piece 628 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: of property. Yes, so I gotta I got a quick question. 629 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry to interrupt Mark, but okay, so we're 630 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: talking about this late season type of hunting, and you 631 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: know they're focusing on the bed too food source pattern, right, 632 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: So if the weather is not, if the weather may not, scream, 633 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: get in the tree, stand and sit on this field 634 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: edge of this food this food source or this food plot. 635 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: Are you telling any of your clients to take your 636 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: stand and get back further in the woods to you 637 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: catch them in a staging area or maybe a travel 638 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: route at the end of you know, great, great, great 639 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: input on that. And and here's where we're gona watch 640 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: our cameras. So if our cameras are showing some good 641 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: deer the frequency I'm looking for. Let's say we take 642 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: a seven day window and I have a shooter bugs 643 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: showing up four out of the seven days in front 644 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: of the camera. I say, that's that's high frequency. So 645 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm really pretty pumped about that level of use. You 646 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: gotta believe he's coming to the field at other locations 647 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: as well, not just past your camera. If he's showing 648 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: up at two or three in the morning every time, 649 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, eleven thirty, twelve o'clock at night, four or 650 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: five hours after dark, I'd probably say he's just hunkering. 651 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: So tighten. It's not going to be anywhere even close 652 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: to that field edge or within two hundred yards of it, 653 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: when I can still get you know, have legal shooting light. 654 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: If he's an hour after dark, if he's a half 655 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: hour after dark, he's just on the edge of twilight, 656 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: and I'm getting photos like that, then we're gonna take 657 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: a real hard look at it. Uh, it possibly being 658 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: at them now. Now here's another variable. So most of 659 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: my client's own ground, or they're playing on leases that 660 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: they have long term, and and we have back here 661 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: and East a relatively competitive hiding environments. So I may 662 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: be working with a three acre piece of ground and 663 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: there's you know, a hundred acres or three or four 664 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: hundred acre pieces that enjoy it. There's a lot of 665 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: potential tags and lots of potential hunters in the woods. 666 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: And one of the things I worked with my clients 667 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: and say, you know, when we're dealing with with quality deer, 668 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: deer of age, it's a long chest match and it 669 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: doesn't happen necessarily end at the conclusion of this season. 670 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: So when we're growing deer year after year, we get 671 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: to know we might hunt them for two or three 672 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: years before we finally get a chance to have, you know, 673 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: the moon, the stars line up and we connect with them. 674 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: But one thing that can change that absolutely is when 675 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: my property and my property to pack with guys and 676 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: rifles around the edges right now that you know they're 677 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: kind of a perceivers, a lot of good deer in 678 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: there and there they work are just hard. If I 679 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: bumped him out of a bedroom, One, he's definitely not 680 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: showing up the food pluck because I came too close 681 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: to him. And two, if I move them too far 682 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: is debt because I'm you know, the deers within three 683 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: yards of a property line at the skips across that thing, 684 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: he's just not gonna get back. So you do have 685 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: to run. You have to know your neighborhood and know 686 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: what you get away with. In some cases you believe 687 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: it or not. I've had years or I say, you 688 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: know what, guys, he's gonna be bigger next year. And 689 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: that can be a very difficult scenario if you're looking 690 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: at five days left in the season going, oh man, 691 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna fold up my tent and 692 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: and give up on this year. But sometimes if you're 693 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: really trying to cultivate that one buck and and you 694 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: want to have him for another year of playing chaff. 695 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: You sometimes you have to back off them and just 696 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: say it's just not gonna happen this year. And I've 697 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: done in a bunch and swallow the tags. And these 698 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: are on pieces that you manage. Now, if you're in 699 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: a public way and hunts, your permission to hunt situation, 700 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 1: you don't know what your access is totally different. There 701 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: you go for you know, going and try to make 702 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: it happen. But but I air on the side of caution. 703 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: I just don't want to bump these deer or pressure 704 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: of these deer. And and right now with the weather 705 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: conditions the way they are, that matter. It's it's not 706 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: even so much as it's just warmer this year, it's 707 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: if you bump a five year old back or six 708 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: year old block now post breeding season, when he's not goofy, 709 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: if you bump him, he's going to be significantly changing 710 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: his patterns for you know, the next five to seven days. 711 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: Not saying he's not going to kill him the next day, 712 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: but but he's just not going to tolerate that path 713 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: that pressure too well. And and especially get out of 714 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: the Midwest and go to areas with a little bit 715 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: more hunting pressure. You know, those deer are gonna affect 716 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: and change quite a bit, and I'm really luctant to 717 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: found some are a bit too close to him. So 718 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: I like your idea, but I just would like to 719 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: try to make sure we're in one gear that betting 720 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: area a little bit of room, and then just to 721 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: know if we're we're really willing to pressure and maybe 722 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: maybe run the risk of run them off the property 723 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: and not seeing him again. It's the fine line you 724 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: have to walk, isn't it. It's it's kind of a 725 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: tight rope. Yeah, and I probably air on the side 726 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: of caution too much. But he know, uh, I'm working. 727 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: We're let's you know, we're killing deer. There are five 728 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: six seven years of age uh in in properties that 729 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: one they're too small to typically do that. And too 730 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: we're in areas in the country where there's really high 731 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: hunting pressure. So um, we have to be real cautious 732 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: in those areas to get that kind of uh was 733 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: kind of results, so so, Neil. One of the important 734 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: distinctions I think you made was the difference between hunting 735 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: on a scenario where you have control of the property 736 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: at the lease or you own the ground versus being 737 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: on public or private, and how different those two scenarios 738 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: are and how different your mindset needs to be. UM. 739 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: And I'm in one of the situations similar to the latter, 740 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: where I have permission on a piece of private ground, 741 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: but other people can hunt it. And I've got the 742 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: shotgun season here, opening an aisle in four days. I 743 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: know a lot of people are gonna be hunting it, 744 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: so it does require a little bit more the aggressive tactics, 745 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: maybe like Dan mentioned, or something totally different, UM, But 746 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: it's just a really important point that I want to 747 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: emphas last everyone out there, is that you know, keep 748 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: in mind what your specific scenario might mean and why 749 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: you might want to be a little bit more aggressive 750 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: versus a little more passive and careful if you have 751 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: that control. Like you mentioned, Neil, I think airing on 752 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: the side of caution is definitely the way to go. UM. 753 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: But back to something we mentioned a couple of minutes ago, 754 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to this weather, these conditions that help 755 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: you know when to go in and strike, like you mentioned, 756 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: I love that drone strike analogy. By the way, I 757 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: borrowed that. I really like that one, um, how much 758 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: how much of a temperature drop or how much snow 759 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: on the ground do you believe you need to trigger 760 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: a significant feeding event? All right, So here here's what 761 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: I've kind of every year. This time year, we're getting 762 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: our first snow in this part of the world. So 763 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: we have the first snow covering, and I'll get a 764 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: million texts from my clients that are out to oh, yeah, 765 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great morning this morning. They all 766 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: get back at eleven o'clock, and so we didn't see 767 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: you hear the first snows of the year. Generally outside 768 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: of the right, I'm finding deer to be incredibly paranoid 769 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 1: and not moving at all. Uh. And you know, we've 770 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: got to take it from their perspective. They've been probably 771 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 1: being ground down a little bit with hunting season. Now 772 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: they're incredibly exposed. So I'm not seeing a lot of 773 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: good movement the first snow. Give it about thirty six 774 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: hours worth of snow covering, and you know, it's all 775 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: systems normal, and they're right back doing what they do. 776 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: So I'm not a big fan of the first day 777 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: of the snow. But a day and a half after 778 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: that first snow. I'm really starting to look at it 779 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: temperature wise, we're just looking at the normal temperatures. I 780 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: think you have boiled down to if it's normal temperatures 781 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: or below. And I like to get ten fifteen decreased 782 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: below normal with some wind, I mean some raw stuff 783 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: where it's gonna beat you up in the tree. Those 784 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: are the kind of temperatures we're getting good deer to 785 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: show up, and and it's not oftentimes it's not just 786 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: a quick little front blows through. And you can certainly 787 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: play the game of hunting front to deer feeding during 788 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: the front, post front, after the front, that kind of thing. 789 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: But what we're talking about here is the weather conditions 790 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: that kind of force them to feed during daylight hours 791 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: and they're in a scenario where it's cold and the 792 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: deer burning too much energy defeat at night when the 793 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: nighttime temperatures are plumbing and yet lots of wind and 794 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: still keep the line. You know, when a deer is 795 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: laying down and it closes events and its body events 796 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: being it's it's kind of it's growing area and its armpits, 797 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: and those are the areas where it loses the vast 798 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: majority of the heat it can lay down for two 799 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: or three days or you know, a couple of days 800 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: and burn less calories, and it can walking up to 801 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: the courtfield to try to consume food. So uh, they 802 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: will go for that day or two laid down if 803 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: they have to, but at some point they really start 804 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: to get gend up to go to food if that 805 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: weather is again five ten degrees the low normal and 806 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: whatever your normal might be. I've got clients and say, 807 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: you know, forty five degrees is normal for them, So 808 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: when its thirty five degrees, you know, we're in that 809 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: perfect storm. My part of the world this time of year, 810 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm typically looking at temperatures you know, below twenty degrees, 811 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: prefer lee and the load of mid teens at ninth 812 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: and and just kind of following nasty in that type 813 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: of scenario is going to trigger deer and bring him in. 814 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: They give you a quick little story from last year. 815 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: So last year we had that pumper crop of eight 816 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: corns that everybody talks about there like marbles on the 817 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: forest floor, and in I couldn't buy a deer to 818 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: come to the corn fields or any of the brassica 819 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: plots and eat. Guys getting some camera photos but camera 820 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: photos are about what they usually are. We're having, you know, 821 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: deer census meetings at camp, going, hey, geess, do we 822 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: even you want to shoot those? This year we're not 823 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: seeing anything where of all the deer gone, so you know, 824 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: the neighbors are all on panic. We're kind of trying 825 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: not to be seasoned and say, you know, it's it's 826 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: just a blip with acorns. But in the back of 827 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: our mind going where of all the deer gone? And 828 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,479 Speaker 1: it's a terrible both season eat tag. You know, there's 829 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,400 Speaker 1: no chance to shoot painting, defer peace and even the 830 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: luck of the ride it doesn't happen. Roll around to 831 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: this late season window. We're into December of last year, 832 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: the muzzleloader season kicks in. That's that's mid December, and 833 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: finally the temperatures dropped and we picked up twelve inches 834 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: of snow. I waited a day and a half, actually 835 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: canceled a couple of road trips, got back home, and 836 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: within three days of that snow being on the ground, 837 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: the property went from having five or six years showing 838 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: up on the standing corn field that granted pressure had 839 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: been low, to now there's eight or nine bucks showing 840 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: up with fifteen to twenty does in the field was 841 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 1: full and there's age there, you know. I was able 842 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 1: to tag a great buck that that late season window, 843 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: and the next night went back and tagged the bear. 844 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: And then then the temperatures changed and the snow melted, 845 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: and I went right back to four or five six 846 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: year in the boot watches, you know, primarily fonds, and 847 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: it was just a social thing. They went to the 848 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: field to kind of hang out, dancer out a little bit, 849 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: but they weren't going for the work of feeding. And 850 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: it was in that case it took that eight ten 851 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: inches of snow that little weather event, and it was 852 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: literally a three or four day weather event, and then 853 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 1: assume as it melted, it was over. And I watched, 854 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: of course the cameras postseason and for that batter that 855 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: entire year. Because they were so full of fat from 856 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: the acorn crop that we had. It took significant snows 857 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: in February to put them in the corn uh And 858 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: you know, at mild weathers that we had even January February, 859 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: no one's been in the woods for a month and 860 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 1: a half. The deer still weren't hitting those feels in 861 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: the way that I would have expected them too. They 862 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: were just you know, obviously in really good body condition. 863 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: And that goes back. You know, we were talking about 864 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 1: body condition before. Uh, my clients on a whole. When 865 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,720 Speaker 1: we see a deer that's got a significant limp or 866 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's got some kind of issue going on 867 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: right now from fighting or other things, we're batting, probably 868 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: about to carvest that deer on an energy packed food 869 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: source like the carbohydrate like corn or dry soybeans, things 870 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: like that. We're back and probably to harvest that deer 871 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks in and they're when 872 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: they're kind of getting beat up and they're trying to 873 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: repair their body. We do extremely well harvesting those d 874 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: or you know when when they get to that point, Uh, 875 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: it's it's uh. I've had two or three of them 876 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: that showed up just in the last couple of days 877 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: with customers that you know, Buck, they've been chasing for 878 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,399 Speaker 1: two or three years and had finally we got him 879 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 1: and oh, by the way, you know, somebody poking Aunt 880 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: Warner's rerent and uh and he was a little bit 881 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: beat up and finally he showed up during daylight hours, 882 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: all right, next we've got, Don Higgins, I would love 883 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: to hear from you done to kick things off here, 884 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: what do you believe is the single most important thing 885 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: that someone needs to keep in mind during the late season. 886 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: What's the first and foremost thing that everybody needs to 887 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: keep first firsthand thinking about as they start hunting these 888 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 1: final weeks. Well, you know it's ironic. When I wrote 889 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: my first book ten years ago after I shot that buck, Buck, 890 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: we was just talking about A short time later I 891 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: wrote my first book, and when I talked about the 892 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: late season in that first book, I kind of downplayed 893 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 1: it as one of the worst times of the season 894 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 1: too to shoot them mature buck. But in the years 895 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: of the past, I've totally changed my mind a hundred 896 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: eighty degrees. Now I believe that the late season is 897 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: the very best time of the year to kill a 898 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: mature buck on purpose. But the key is you you've 899 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: got to you've got to have a good food source, 900 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,879 Speaker 1: and you've got to have an undisturbed betting location. If 901 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: you've got those two together, and then you've got made 902 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: because there's they're very likely to be a mature buck there, 903 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: and then you just gotta wait for the it's about time. 904 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 1: And if you need the worst weather possible, the worst 905 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: of weather gets the better your odds. So you know, 906 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of different farms that I manage 907 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: and uh where I'm allowed to plant food plots and 908 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: things like that. And on both those farms that you know, 909 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: I've got my stands in place, I've got the food 910 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: plots in place. I've stayed out of the I didn't 911 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: cover all fall, and I'm just waiting. I'm just biding 912 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: my time, waiting on the perfect opportunity. And whenever the 913 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: temperature you know, gets down around zero at night, y's 914 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: single digits during the day as a high. When it 915 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: does that for a few days, you can just you 916 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: can count on the bucks on every day in the woods. Really, 917 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if he's a mature buck or yearling 918 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: buck or dough. Under those conditions, they're going to be 919 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,760 Speaker 1: on their feet in the afternoon headed to that food 920 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: and they're more than likely going to get their way 921 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 1: before dark. And you know, I kind of set the 922 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: table throughout the entire year by pinting those food plots, 923 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: by staying out of those betting areas. But then when 924 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,920 Speaker 1: the time's right, I get into those stands, and you 925 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: can you can kill you know, the biggest buck in 926 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: the woods on purpose, year after year after year that way. Yeah, 927 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 1: So I want to I want to dive into kind 928 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,919 Speaker 1: of each of those different things you've listed out there, 929 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: But before that, I want to touch on the topic 930 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: that I think is it's on the minds of a 931 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: lot of people right now because we talked about these 932 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: exact same things you listed out here, in the importance 933 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: of timing and waiting for those weather conditions that can 934 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: get those big deer on their feet. But for like 935 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,919 Speaker 1: me here in Michigan, we're dealing with, you know, high 936 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: forty forty degree temperatures, and none of that really great cold, 937 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: nasty weather that we want is in the forecast for 938 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the year really um from what we're seeing, 939 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: and so there's a lot of people worried, you know, 940 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: are we going to get that late season weather we 941 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 1: need to get a big buck on his feet. So 942 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: my question for you, don is, let's say you like 943 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: you have all these things set, you have the food plots, 944 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: you've got the stands, you've stayed out, you've done everything right. 945 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,800 Speaker 1: You're waiting for the right moment for that right weather. 946 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: What do you do if that correct weather never comes? 947 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: Are you just gonna just not hunt or do you 948 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: have a backup plan? Well, I don't hunt very often, 949 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 1: that's for sure, because I'm hunting the biggest bucks I 950 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: can find, and a lot of times that means that 951 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm not looking at things from just one season perspective. 952 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking to kill that deer, and if it happens 953 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: this season, great, but I don't want to go in 954 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: and tip him off when the conditions aren't right. Next 955 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: year he could be twenty inches bigger, and uh, if 956 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: you've educated him, you've just made him, you know, three 957 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,720 Speaker 1: times it's hard to kill. So a lot of times, 958 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, if the weather isn't perfect, all hunt secondary locations. 959 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: I will stay out of my prime locations, and uh, 960 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, I might watch a feeding area from a 961 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: distance just to see if if there happens to be 962 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: a buck coming out before dark and one that i'd 963 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,840 Speaker 1: want to target, which is very very rare for that 964 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: to happen. But I'm not one just to sit home either. 965 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,360 Speaker 1: I've got to be out there dom something, so I 966 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: just as soon sit back and watch from a distance. 967 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: And and see if maybe there's a buck coming out 968 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: that that I wouldn't expect, you know, under those conditions. 969 00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: But you know, mature bucks are unpredictable. Yeah, So it 970 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: is a lot of your time then, Um, obviously based 971 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: around food sources. But are you on top of the 972 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: food source on a field edge or are you do 973 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: you hunt back in the timber at off? Well? I 974 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: like to be as close to the betting area as 975 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: possible without spooking the deer. I guess kind of tough 976 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 1: in the late season, you know, when the foliage is 977 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 1: gone and you've got snow on the ground with them 978 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: there can see you getting into your stand from a 979 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,920 Speaker 1: long ways off. Um, But a lot of times the 980 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: betting cover that I'm hunting is it comes right up 981 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 1: to the edge of the food plot. So I'll but 982 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: then fifty yards or so with the edge of the 983 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: food but I'm still you know, right on the edge 984 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: of the bedding cover as well. So can you can 985 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: you elaborate on those two pieces right there? Um? First, 986 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: I guess let's start with the food source. Can you 987 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,400 Speaker 1: tell us you know, what are your ideal food sources 988 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: during the late season? Um? Could you maybe tell us 989 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,799 Speaker 1: about the types you could plant and then maybe any 990 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760 Speaker 1: types of food sources that are found you know naturally 991 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,760 Speaker 1: other ways. Well, by far, my favorite food plot is soybeans, 992 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: and the worst the weather gets, the better those soybeans are. 993 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: And they just they'll draw a deer like a magnet um. 994 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: And you're if you're using the grain, actually the soybean 995 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,400 Speaker 1: grain to attract those deer other than than the forage 996 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 1: or anything like that. I also like to mix it up, 997 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: but just to have some things, you know, for diversity, uh, 998 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:35,719 Speaker 1: turn ups sugar beets, those kind of mixes, uh, you know, 999 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: just to give the deer something beside soybeans. Corn something 1000 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: I haven't put much effort into you simply because it's 1001 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,760 Speaker 1: it's an expensive crop to grow and get a good crop. 1002 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: It just takes a lot more cash outlay and equipment 1003 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: that other food plots don't. So uh and soybeans I feel, 1004 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: attract deer better than corn anyway, especially during that brutal 1005 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: cold conditions. As far as natural type browse, you know, 1006 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: just anything like for simmons or or apples, late hanging 1007 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: apples and you know might still be around. Just you 1008 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: want you want as much diversity as as possible. But 1009 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: but a big old pot of soybeans in the middle 1010 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: of that it will do the trick. Yeah, so so 1011 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: question about soybeans. One of the knocks against planting soybeans 1012 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: for food plots is that they can be browsed under, 1013 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: browsed over very quickly in the summer. If you've got 1014 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,319 Speaker 1: a small plot of beans, it's easily to be to 1015 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: just get slammed by deer right away and knock the 1016 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,360 Speaker 1: whole thing out. Um, So, how do you go about 1017 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,160 Speaker 1: attacking that issue? Do you just plant very large soybean 1018 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: fields or do you use anything like a food plot 1019 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: fence or anything to keep the deer out of it 1020 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 1: until late season. Well, the deer population where I'm at 1021 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: has never been to the point where I had an 1022 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: issue with them wiping out a food plot. So I 1023 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,240 Speaker 1: just make my pots as big as as I possibly can, uh, 1024 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: and they're gonna where they come out into the plot, 1025 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, the corners or whatever, They're going to browse 1026 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: it down some there. But I've never really had to 1027 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: had an issue like some guys have where they've really 1028 00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 1: browsed it down to nothing. So I've never had to 1029 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: use electric fences or anything like that, although I've heard 1030 00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: good reports from guys that have Okay, is there a 1031 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,280 Speaker 1: minimum size do you think that most people should think about? 1032 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: That would be kind of the smallest you want to go? Or? 1033 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,320 Speaker 1: Am I okay with trying to put together a half acre, 1034 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: quarter acre, little honey hoole saving plot? In most parts 1035 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 1: of the country, if there's a decent deer population at all, 1036 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna need at least an acre, and the three 1037 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 1: acres be even better. Okay. I know a lot of 1038 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: guys when they think about food plots are thinking about 1039 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 1: something the size of a garden or a small yard 1040 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: or something like that, and I'm usually thinking in terms 1041 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:54,319 Speaker 1: of a minimum of an acre. Okay, And then I 1042 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,520 Speaker 1: guess my final question I've got about your food plot 1043 00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,319 Speaker 1: tactics here. Um, when you're designing these food plots, are 1044 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: you just going with whatever openings you have or are 1045 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: you keeping in mind a specific type of shape to 1046 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: the food plots to make it more conducive to hunting 1047 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: in any way? Um? What's your thought process there? Well, 1048 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm usually going with what what the land affords me 1049 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,720 Speaker 1: as far as the rains. Um, I think you can 1050 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: overthink things and try to make it a lot harder, harder, 1051 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,839 Speaker 1: and more difficult than it really is. I would rather have, 1052 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you had say three or four acres 1053 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: that could be put in a food plot, rather than 1054 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: try to make it some weird shape that's going to 1055 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 1: force the deer to do this and do that. I'd 1056 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: rather have the whole thing in food and attract more 1057 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 1: dear to the spot. Okay, interesting kind of my opinion. 1058 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I understand some of these philosophies, but I 1059 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: think a lot of that stuff is made to sell 1060 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,239 Speaker 1: articles more than it is to kill bucks. So I 1061 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: just I don't buy into a lot of of things 1062 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: that that that some people promote. I think just get 1063 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 1: as much food out there as possible, and the deer 1064 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:12,680 Speaker 1: are going to be there fair enough. So then the 1065 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: second piece of the equation that we talked about the cover. Um, 1066 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, what should somebody looking to be looking for 1067 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,879 Speaker 1: when it comes to quality late season cover. What does 1068 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,919 Speaker 1: that look like? Well, that's extremely thick if it's also 1069 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,319 Speaker 1: got some thermal cover. Cedars pines, A lot of the 1070 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: oaks species will not. A lot of some oaks species 1071 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,840 Speaker 1: will hold their leaves in the winter. Pan oaks salt 1072 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: tooth oak, shingle oaks. Those species will hold their leaves 1073 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: all winter long and provide you know, some wind and 1074 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,799 Speaker 1: thermal cover for the deer. But the main thing is 1075 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,920 Speaker 1: you want it thick, but you know you want it 1076 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: free of human intrusion. And that goes for the entire year. 1077 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,320 Speaker 1: You don't want to be stomping in your late season 1078 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,800 Speaker 1: betting area in October and in ruin it months before 1079 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,480 Speaker 1: you're you're planning to hunt. That freedom of human intrusion 1080 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,879 Speaker 1: is probably the most important thing, even more so than 1081 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: the type of plants and and the the way of 1082 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,000 Speaker 1: the terrain and everything. See your big believer in the 1083 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,680 Speaker 1: sanctuary theory, right, absolutely absolutely. Can you tell us a 1084 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,680 Speaker 1: little more in general why you think that having a 1085 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: sanctuary is important for the whole year? Really, well, if 1086 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,680 Speaker 1: you just think of like a say, a state park 1087 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 1: or something that is near your home you may be 1088 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: familiar with where you know you can drive through there 1089 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,280 Speaker 1: any time of the day and and see deer browsing 1090 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 1: and walking about freely with what They're not alarmed or anything. 1091 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,720 Speaker 1: And most of the cases, the only thing that sets 1092 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,400 Speaker 1: that particular cover apart from anything surrounding there is just 1093 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: human intrusion or like thereof. And you know, nothing has 1094 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: been done in particular to make the betting cover inside 1095 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: that state park any better than the cover outside. But 1096 00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,399 Speaker 1: it's the freedom of human intrusion is why the deer 1097 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: there and why they are so comfortable there. And if 1098 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: you can recreate that, even on a smaller scale, and 1099 00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: on top of that add better cover, well then then 1100 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 1: you really got it made. Are you avoiding morning sits 1101 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: during the late season completely? Yep? Definitely, just like October. 1102 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,280 Speaker 1: The only time I have morning is in November. Okay, 1103 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: now again, I'm I'm trying to try to help my 1104 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: buddy Dan out here, right, I just want to keep 1105 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,640 Speaker 1: going back to this example. Okay, so Dan doesn't know 1106 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,440 Speaker 1: where the sanctuary is. What kind of scouting techniques can 1107 00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,600 Speaker 1: he employ or anyone in a similar situation employ at 1108 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 1: this time of the year to try to figure out, 1109 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, where this buck might be because inherently, right, 1110 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 1: there's the risk of spooking that deer. And now, after 1111 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,800 Speaker 1: all this pressure, if you do push this deer a 1112 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: couple more times, you might never get that one or 1113 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: two chances that you might get. So is there anything 1114 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,839 Speaker 1: you can do to to learn or figure this out 1115 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,319 Speaker 1: um safely without risking too much, you know, spooking that deer. Yeah, 1116 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,400 Speaker 1: it's a matter of learning the property a year on 1117 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 1: and it's going to take a few years. But once 1118 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080 Speaker 1: you've got your property figured out, you're gonna know where 1119 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,880 Speaker 1: that buck is gonna be even before he's even born. 1120 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,360 Speaker 1: You're gonna know today five years from now where a 1121 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,759 Speaker 1: mature buck is gonna be on your probably five years 1122 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: from now where he's gonna be, just based on you know, 1123 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: hunting pressure in the train and things like that. So 1124 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,880 Speaker 1: rather than I think a lot of hunters are always 1125 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 1: a step behind the deer. They're always trying to figure 1126 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: out what the deer doing. And I learned a long 1127 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,879 Speaker 1: time ago, instead of being a step behind the deer, 1128 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 1: you need to be a step ahead of them. In 1129 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: other words, in October, I know where the deer is 1130 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,320 Speaker 1: gonna be, the bucks are going to be in November, 1131 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: and where I need to be sitting in November. In November, 1132 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: I know where I'm gonna need to be in December, 1133 00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: in January. So thinking instead of playing, you know, a 1134 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,439 Speaker 1: step behind the deer trying to figure out what they're 1135 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,439 Speaker 1: doing today, you need to figure out what they're gonna 1136 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: do tomorrow and be ready for him when they do. 1137 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: So it's really it's learning those typical patterns that deer 1138 00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: are gonna are going to follow based on the terrain 1139 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,319 Speaker 1: and based on the habitat, and then making um you know, 1140 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: educated assumptions based on what you know historically these deer do. Yeah, 1141 00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: because unless something major changes on the property, they're going 1142 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,439 Speaker 1: to be doing the same thing year after year after year. 1143 00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: Another piece of this pie that we haven't touched on yet, 1144 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,760 Speaker 1: but I imagine factors to some degree into what you're 1145 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,280 Speaker 1: doing this time of the year is trail cameras. Um 1146 00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 1: Are you using trail cameras during the late season to 1147 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: help you, you know, fine tune any of these assumptions 1148 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 1: and ideas you have, or are you avoiding them this 1149 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: time of year. No. I start running trail cameras about 1150 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: the first of July every year and run them until 1151 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 1: the bucks shed their antlers in February or March. This 1152 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: time of the year, what I'm doing is I've got 1153 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: the trail cameras on food sources, and you know, about 1154 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 1: every ten days or so, I'll check them just to 1155 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: see if a new buck might have showed up that 1156 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: that wasn't there earlier, and just kind of keep tabs 1157 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,040 Speaker 1: on what individual are using particular food plots. Yeah, how 1158 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,760 Speaker 1: are you checking those cameras? And um what time of day? 1159 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm doing it in the middle of the day, and 1160 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing it on an a t V. I just 1161 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 1: ride right up to the edge of the food plot. 1162 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,280 Speaker 1: I leave the thing running and I don't even try 1163 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: to be quiet, but I avoid the betting cover, you know, 1164 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,880 Speaker 1: as much as possible. I come in from a different 1165 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,280 Speaker 1: direction than from the betting cover. Um, but being on 1166 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: that a TV, there's deer here. You're coming and they're 1167 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: not busting out. Like if you would sneak in there 1168 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,400 Speaker 1: and happen to bust something, it would be a whole 1169 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 1: lot more stressful on them than that a TV is. Yeah, yeah, okay, 1170 00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 1: that makes sense. You could use a tractor or anything 1171 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,920 Speaker 1: really truck yep, just as long as they don't associate 1172 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:50,720 Speaker 1: with a hunter, right right exactly? Yeah, okay, So kind 1173 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,520 Speaker 1: of moving on to a couple of these other slight 1174 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: tactical offshoots. Is there anything else when it comes to 1175 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 1: calling or send there? Any of these things are relatively 1176 00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,360 Speaker 1: aggressive that people you typically used during the rut. Is 1177 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: there ever use case for calls, decoys, sense, anything like 1178 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 1: that during the late season? You know, years ago, I 1179 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: had a situation where we had a blizzard blow in 1180 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: and on all the local deer during that blizzard hold 1181 00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,240 Speaker 1: up in one thicket And I snuck into that thicket 1182 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 1: three different days with rattling antlers, and each time I 1183 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: rattled in at least one, if not too mature bucks, 1184 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,080 Speaker 1: and I never did get one killed for various reasons. 1185 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,640 Speaker 1: Um my fault, really, But so I I know those 1186 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: tactics can work during the late season. But the longer 1187 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: I've hunted, the more I've realized that a mature buck 1188 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,560 Speaker 1: is is an animal. It's on edge all the time anyway, 1189 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,400 Speaker 1: And the last thing I want to do is putting 1190 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 1: more on edge by making a sound or as sent 1191 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 1: to try to attract him, because I think he's so 1192 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: alert anyway that you just make him hyper alert when 1193 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 1: you do that. And the odds in the late season, especially, 1194 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: we're just one little creek from your bow or anything 1195 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm sending, you know, running to the next county. I 1196 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: don't want to put him on alert anymore than he 1197 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 1: already is so I avoid those tactics even though I 1198 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,680 Speaker 1: have no doubt they can work. Okay, all right, Dan, 1199 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about this? Do 1200 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 1: you have any other questions for done to help make 1201 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 1: sure you kill a deer here in a couple of 1202 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: weeks and I really want kill him? What is something 1203 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,960 Speaker 1: I may be overlooking or anybody could be overlooking for 1204 01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: late season and he likes to tactics or strategies. Well, 1205 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,400 Speaker 1: I think the main thing is they is most people 1206 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,760 Speaker 1: try to do the same thing during the late season 1207 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: that they've done, you know, basically all seasons. They get 1208 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,840 Speaker 1: all hung up on sign for one thing. And you know, 1209 01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I've hunted more than one mature buck that the deer 1210 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,480 Speaker 1: were hurted up up, except the mature buck wasn't with 1211 01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: the herd. He might have fed in this very same 1212 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,240 Speaker 1: field with the herd, but the herd came from one 1213 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,600 Speaker 1: direction and he would come from a totally different because 1214 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't bedding with him. So I think you got 1215 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: to keep that in mind at these mature bucks. Even 1216 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 1: though the late season that bad weather can can tip 1217 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,040 Speaker 1: the odd your way just a little more than what 1218 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 1: they were, they're still survival experts and they're not going 1219 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,959 Speaker 1: to take chances, but they don't have to take So 1220 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: you just got to kind of always go into it 1221 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,919 Speaker 1: with an open mind and not expect the mature buck 1222 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: to be doing what the rest of the herd's doing 1223 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 1: because he's he doesn't do that at the beginning of 1224 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,200 Speaker 1: the season, he doesn't do that during the rut, and 1225 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: he's not gonna do it during the late season a 1226 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: lot of times. Okay, so we've heard from Neil out 1227 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: in New York. Then it was Don Higgins in Illinois. 1228 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna shift south to Will Brantley, who's over 1229 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,720 Speaker 1: in Kentucky, doesn't hunting in Tennessee and other southern states 1230 01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: as well. Here's a Southern perspective on the late season. 1231 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: What's the Will Brantley late season recipe? How do you 1232 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:11,640 Speaker 1: approach it? Well, you know, it's it's not um you know. 1233 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:16,920 Speaker 1: For for one, I I personally, um haven't hunted the 1234 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,919 Speaker 1: late season just a ton because we're in a one 1235 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,840 Speaker 1: buck state in Kentucky. And uh, most years, fortunately I've 1236 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 1: I've killed my buck by the late season. Um, but 1237 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,160 Speaker 1: the last few years, uh, you know, I mentioned my 1238 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 1: buddy Miles, who's who's come in and and uh hunted 1239 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 1: late season with us here. Well, gosh, she's been coming 1240 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,640 Speaker 1: in six or seven years in a row now, um 1241 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,080 Speaker 1: and uh, and he's killed three good bucks here in 1242 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,560 Speaker 1: the past. He killed two this year. He killed one 1243 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: in Tennessee and and one in Kentucky and uh and 1244 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 1: killed a good one uh in Kentucky last year. And 1245 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,040 Speaker 1: that was you know, both of those were mid December 1246 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: hunts and kind of after the after you know, definitely 1247 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: after our peak of the rut. But still when some 1248 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: things we're going on, I still think there were a few, 1249 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,439 Speaker 1: uh you know, a few those maybe coming into heat 1250 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: and definitely some bucks interested. But I think that the 1251 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,840 Speaker 1: big takeaway from from the good deer that that he's 1252 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 1: killed just in the past couple of years during the 1253 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 1: late season has has definitely been uh, you know, probably 1254 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 1: even more of a hyper focus on some of the 1255 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,920 Speaker 1: things that we were talking about earlier about your stand 1256 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: access and um, you know, and choosing the conditions and 1257 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,760 Speaker 1: things like that. And um. The deer that Miles kill 1258 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:44,480 Speaker 1: with us last year, UM was in a stand I knew, um, 1259 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, about where this deer was bedding. He was 1260 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 1: coming out of a pretty big woods area with a 1261 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,800 Speaker 1: lot of cutover stuff. I knew the deer was bidding 1262 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,440 Speaker 1: in that area somewhere. And we'd hunted this deer pretty 1263 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,760 Speaker 1: much all season, from the early season through the rut 1264 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,600 Speaker 1: around this one particular food plot, and it had gotten 1265 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot of pictures of him. But I had a 1266 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:09,320 Speaker 1: stand set in this bedding area, and um, we avoided 1267 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,920 Speaker 1: it all season, mainly because there was no way to 1268 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,320 Speaker 1: drive before wheeler into it to get somebody out of it, 1269 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,760 Speaker 1: and um, there's really no way to sneak into it 1270 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,400 Speaker 1: of a morning without you know, you may get in 1271 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 1: there without bumping the deer, but you may not. But um, 1272 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, I knew after our gun season this deer 1273 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,720 Speaker 1: was still alive, and uh, you know, and so we 1274 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,919 Speaker 1: Miles and I kind of went for broke. I said, 1275 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, hey, we're gonna put you, Uh, we're gonna 1276 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,600 Speaker 1: put you in the stand. We may spook the deer 1277 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,480 Speaker 1: before you get a shot at him, but you know, 1278 01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,280 Speaker 1: we've only got a few days of the season lest 1279 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: so this is where we're gonna go. Um and uh, 1280 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, there was a little masked uh left in 1281 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: this in this area. But more importantly, I think it 1282 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 1: was just right on the uh bread on the edge 1283 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,360 Speaker 1: of where this buck was bedding and kind of between 1284 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: where he was, you know, where he was bedding and 1285 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: see even all year long. And I mean it wasn't 1286 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,440 Speaker 1: wasn't rocket science on picking the spot, but it was, 1287 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of that last minute go 1288 01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,840 Speaker 1: for broke the approach and he killed that deer his 1289 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: his first evening in that stand. So um, this year 1290 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: was it was a little different. Um, you know, he 1291 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: he he killed his buck, you know, chasing does in 1292 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: a food plot right before dark out of a out 1293 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: of a box line. And the and the buck that 1294 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: he killed this year was it was a deer that gosh, 1295 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:37,640 Speaker 1: we had a ton of pictures of him two years 1296 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,240 Speaker 1: ago and then he just sort of disappeared and we 1297 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: got killed. Um who's a real tall tight rack eight 1298 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,040 Speaker 1: point A couple of years ago we named him up tight. 1299 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,720 Speaker 1: Actually I hate naming dear, but this one just begged 1300 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,720 Speaker 1: for a name. So um and uh. And then I 1301 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 1: was just out of town on a hunt and Michelle 1302 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: was pulling trio camera cards and got a picture this dear, 1303 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,200 Speaker 1: and man, he's gotten pretty pretty cool, growing a bunch 1304 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,880 Speaker 1: of kickers and things around his bases and just sort 1305 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 1: of showed back up around like say, around Thanksgiving and 1306 01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 1: sort of hanging around our food plots. And I assume, um, 1307 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,720 Speaker 1: I'll look as we had a couple of family groups 1308 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,320 Speaker 1: of those around there, and you know, he showed up 1309 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,440 Speaker 1: in daylight. My house killed him. So um, you know, 1310 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,440 Speaker 1: good good food sources and and good stand set ups. 1311 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,439 Speaker 1: I don't think my strategy would change a whole lot 1312 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,120 Speaker 1: in the late season versus any other time of year, 1313 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,480 Speaker 1: other than I might get a little more aggressive on 1314 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,000 Speaker 1: some of the places that you know that I'm gonna 1315 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: sit or you know, try to access. Yeah, that's an 1316 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,280 Speaker 1: interesting point because I feel, at least for me, there's 1317 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: there's two times of year when I feel like it 1318 01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,120 Speaker 1: makes sense to go for the home run, to take 1319 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,960 Speaker 1: that risky aggressive move. It's it's either the run because 1320 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,600 Speaker 1: you've got this disproportionate chance that dey are going to 1321 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: be a little bit off their game. There'll be a 1322 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,920 Speaker 1: little bit um, I don't want to say stupider or 1323 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 1: something like that, but you've got a little bit more 1324 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,680 Speaker 1: of a chance of them making a mistake, and so 1325 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense to kind of go for the home 1326 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,000 Speaker 1: run during the rut and then and then to your 1327 01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,480 Speaker 1: point this time of year, the late season, because what 1328 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,080 Speaker 1: do you have to lose, right the season is gonna 1329 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,960 Speaker 1: end anyways, UM, might as well give it a shot. 1330 01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,480 Speaker 1: And UM, it's interesting that that worked out for you guys, 1331 01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,640 Speaker 1: And that kind of worked out my hunt. This this 1332 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: bucket killed in Michigan. I he showed up in daylight 1333 01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,200 Speaker 1: that morning. I saw him from a long distance away. 1334 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,600 Speaker 1: I was, Okay, I have to get in there and 1335 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,040 Speaker 1: hunt right there tonight. But the wind was pretty darn 1336 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 1: lousy for it. It was I would never I would 1337 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,200 Speaker 1: never hunt this area with that wind. But I said, well, 1338 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,800 Speaker 1: it's it's December. He's here this this one day. He's 1339 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,280 Speaker 1: not consistent at all. Um, he's been like once every 1340 01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,040 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, kind of dropping in. Um, I have 1341 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: to I have to strike. It's kind of an now 1342 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,160 Speaker 1: or never. And so I tried to find a way 1343 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: to to take a risky situation, minimize the risk as 1344 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,560 Speaker 1: much as I possibly could, but just went in knowing like, hey, 1345 01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,800 Speaker 1: there's a fifty chance it's either low everything out here 1346 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,760 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna kill him. But sometimes you have to. 1347 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,680 Speaker 1: You have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta have 1348 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,360 Speaker 1: the confidence to you know, hey, all the all the 1349 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 1: pieces are here to tell me that there's a pretty 1350 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,560 Speaker 1: good chance he's gonna come by this afternoon. Now you 1351 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,720 Speaker 1: know he may spooking, but you know, like say, you've uh, 1352 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,160 Speaker 1: you don't have many many chances left by this point 1353 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,360 Speaker 1: in the season, so you've got to try. Yeah, yeah, 1354 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: you mentioned, Um, you mentioned those two things. Sometimes you're 1355 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,960 Speaker 1: more aggressive and you're smart at your stand sites, and 1356 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,400 Speaker 1: then you've gotta be hunting the right food. Um. What 1357 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,200 Speaker 1: what kind of late season food sources are worth king 1358 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,519 Speaker 1: in on in the places that you hunt Tennessee, Kentucky. Um, 1359 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,439 Speaker 1: whether it be you know, planted crops or native for its. 1360 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,000 Speaker 1: What do you guys really focus on this time of year? Well, 1361 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,840 Speaker 1: so far as native stuff, um, you know, uh, mass 1362 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,599 Speaker 1: is still important at this time of the season. Now, 1363 01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,640 Speaker 1: we had kind of a spotty mass crop here. Was 1364 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,000 Speaker 1: really only one of the best mass crops I think 1365 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,880 Speaker 1: you can get the hunt. And that's some trees were 1366 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: just dropping like crazy and others had nothing. So you know, 1367 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,000 Speaker 1: if you could find a really good white oak that 1368 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,800 Speaker 1: was dropping, uh, you were gonna see some deer under it. 1369 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,040 Speaker 1: That's usually by this point in the season. You know, 1370 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,479 Speaker 1: most of the white oaks have been pretty well cleaned up. 1371 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,280 Speaker 1: But we, uh, we have a lot of different red 1372 01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:23,200 Speaker 1: oaks species, and um, although they're not as preferable to deer, 1373 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,800 Speaker 1: they still eat them, and they definitely eat them late 1374 01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,559 Speaker 1: in the season. And what what I find around here anyway, 1375 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 1: is that on a lot of the oak ridges, the 1376 01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,040 Speaker 1: red oaks will tend to grow right on the very 1377 01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,320 Speaker 1: tops of them. You know, I guess where the soil 1378 01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,720 Speaker 1: or whatever it is isn't quite as good as what 1379 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 1: I've been told anyway, and uh, you'll get a lot 1380 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,040 Speaker 1: of deer action, um cleaning those things up, some of 1381 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,040 Speaker 1: the big post oaka acreents and things like that. So 1382 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,680 Speaker 1: they definitely hit those, um if you can, if you 1383 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,920 Speaker 1: can find them. And and I mean again, uh hunting 1384 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,720 Speaker 1: mass it's um. Sometimes you you walk past a bunch 1385 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,679 Speaker 1: of trees and there seemed to be acron's land everywhere 1386 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,479 Speaker 1: on the ground, and then you get to one particular 1387 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,400 Speaker 1: tree that they're hitting, and that doesn't look any different 1388 01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,240 Speaker 1: than any of the others. I can tell any difference 1389 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 1: in the nuts. But for whatever reason, there's that one 1390 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,400 Speaker 1: that they like and we you know, we we were 1391 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,760 Speaker 1: hunting in in Tennessee the other day and there was 1392 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,519 Speaker 1: a there was a red oak tree like that that 1393 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,080 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that deer were hammering it and walking 1394 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,320 Speaker 1: past fifteen other red oaks. It looked just like it 1395 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,439 Speaker 1: to get to it. So um, so that's a that's 1396 01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,320 Speaker 1: a big one. Um. You know, we still have some 1397 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,000 Speaker 1: green stuff um growing pretty much year around around here. 1398 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,040 Speaker 1: You know, they'll be um different little pieces of uh 1399 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, forbes and and native vegetation and things like that, 1400 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 1: and and deer always gonna gonna nibble on that stuff. 1401 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,200 Speaker 1: And from a food plot perspective, I mean, I plant 1402 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,080 Speaker 1: most of my food plots are a blend of uh 1403 01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: la dinald, clover, chickory, and oats. Um. I do plant 1404 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,920 Speaker 1: some brassicas and a lot of times they won't even 1405 01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,360 Speaker 1: eat them around here until after the season goes out. 1406 01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,600 Speaker 1: We usually just don't get weather cold enough to to 1407 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,720 Speaker 1: really uh to to make Braska is that attractive. I mean, 1408 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,639 Speaker 1: I have had some brasket plots that were hit pretty hard. 1409 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,519 Speaker 1: But um, I've got one that that I planted and 1410 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,080 Speaker 1: I walked through the other day and they're turn ups 1411 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,800 Speaker 1: the side of the softballs just laying there on the 1412 01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,519 Speaker 1: ground and doesn't look like they've been touched. They hit 1413 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,880 Speaker 1: the they hit the greens early, you know, when they're 1414 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,200 Speaker 1: first coming up, and you actually can get some pretty 1415 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,680 Speaker 1: good early season hunting over him. But then through the 1416 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,200 Speaker 1: course of deer season, they just they just don't mess 1417 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,719 Speaker 1: with them. My whole lots. It makes a really pretty 1418 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,559 Speaker 1: food plot, but they just don't eat it a whole lot. 1419 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 1: So um, the clover, the chickory, and the oats, I 1420 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:46,479 Speaker 1: mean they in this at this latitude, they are green 1421 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,000 Speaker 1: just almost year around. I mean, if we get a 1422 01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,160 Speaker 1: really deep freeze, you know, late which which we usually will, 1423 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,519 Speaker 1: I mean, they'll go dormant for a while. Um, but 1424 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,880 Speaker 1: for most of deer season, they're gonna be pretty green. 1425 01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,719 Speaker 1: And uh, and the deer are gonna eat that stuff. 1426 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can get any really anything that's 1427 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 1: that's green like that, um, they're gonna be on And 1428 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,719 Speaker 1: then of course you're you know, your harvested grain fields, 1429 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,240 Speaker 1: your your cut corn fields, and your and your bean 1430 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,280 Speaker 1: fields and things are going to nibble around in those 1431 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,120 Speaker 1: and we get a lot of our um, a lot 1432 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,640 Speaker 1: of our farmers will do a cover crop of some 1433 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:25,720 Speaker 1: sort um, usually wheat sometimes uh you know, sometimes rye. 1434 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,559 Speaker 1: Every now and then some of the organic farmers will 1435 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,800 Speaker 1: will drow oats into a field. Uh dicon rad issues 1436 01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,240 Speaker 1: will get some of those. But um, you know, any 1437 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,120 Speaker 1: of those any of those pick crop fields that have 1438 01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,639 Speaker 1: had a cover crop, especially with a cereal grain, are 1439 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,479 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of deer on them this time 1440 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,479 Speaker 1: of year. So yeah, yeah, definitely seen similar things up 1441 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: here in Michigan. Um, no, no one thing that is different. 1442 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: I imagine we talked about how you know, there's this 1443 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,439 Speaker 1: careful balancing act we have to make all throughout the 1444 01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,160 Speaker 1: season between when do you strike when you get aggressive 1445 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: versus when do you played a little more safe and 1446 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,559 Speaker 1: maybe observe or maybe don't hunt some days and during 1447 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,080 Speaker 1: the late season. So much of what I'm doing up 1448 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,439 Speaker 1: here in Michigan usually or or anywhere in the Upper 1449 01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Great Lakes maybe Wisconsin Minnesota is is keying in on 1450 01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:21,200 Speaker 1: certain weather events that really pushed deer out to feed. 1451 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,000 Speaker 1: So like a big snowstorm coming through, or like arctic temperature, 1452 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,839 Speaker 1: something really extreme like that can really get deer, especially 1453 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 1: that mature buck that maybe wasn't moving in daylight at 1454 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,200 Speaker 1: all that might finally get them up and moving. So 1455 01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: when I see something like that come through, I mark 1456 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: it on the camera. You know, gotta hunt on that day. Um. 1457 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,439 Speaker 1: But somewhere like Kentucky or Tennessee, that's kind of mid country. Uh, 1458 01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,040 Speaker 1: you probably don't get big snow events like that. You 1459 01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,320 Speaker 1: probably don't get those big arctic temperature events is often 1460 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,080 Speaker 1: at least um, so so correct me if I'm wrong. 1461 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: But if that's the case, what do you key in 1462 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,720 Speaker 1: on as far as weather factors or anything like that 1463 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,360 Speaker 1: to to kind of guide you during the late season. Well, 1464 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,400 Speaker 1: it's still like to look for cold fronts, um. You know, 1465 01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:08,120 Speaker 1: I like to hunt, you know, in the if if 1466 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,240 Speaker 1: I can catch an afternoon when a cold front is 1467 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,519 Speaker 1: is just about to pass through, when it's you know, 1468 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,120 Speaker 1: the temperature has fallen and it's kind of a steady drizzle, 1469 01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,920 Speaker 1: um before the wind really kicks up. I mean, I 1470 01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,720 Speaker 1: seem to always see deer on their feet during those conditions. Really, 1471 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,240 Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's the early season or the very 1472 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,800 Speaker 1: last day, those conditions seem to put deer on their 1473 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,720 Speaker 1: feet around here. Uh. And then um, in the late 1474 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,679 Speaker 1: season in particular, I think those postfrontal high pressure days 1475 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,240 Speaker 1: when it's you know, the sun's bright and it's cold 1476 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:44,599 Speaker 1: and still and there's a heavy frost like um, those days, 1477 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean you you almost always can can count on, 1478 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, pretty consistent deer movement and uh, you know, man, 1479 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,080 Speaker 1: besides that, um, late in the season, I mean the 1480 01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,200 Speaker 1: temperature and in the stage of a cold front aside, Um, 1481 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:06,160 Speaker 1: I like sunshine. Um, you know, we are our winners 1482 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: are especially this year, like we get a lot of 1483 01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,320 Speaker 1: days rich forty five degrees and drizzling rain, and it 1484 01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: just seems like it is like that, you know, for 1485 01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,800 Speaker 1: days on end in the in the wintertime in this 1486 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,120 Speaker 1: part of the world, and it gets muddy and sloppy 1487 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:27,160 Speaker 1: and all of that, and um, you know the sunny days, um, 1488 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,120 Speaker 1: the clear sunny days. I just I don't know, I 1489 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,479 Speaker 1: like to go outside on days like that, and it 1490 01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:36,320 Speaker 1: just seems like wildlife. You know, they just as a 1491 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,680 Speaker 1: rule they take advantage of weather like that when the 1492 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,320 Speaker 1: norm has been kind of cloudy, gloomy, you know, just 1493 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,439 Speaker 1: just kind of bland weather. So sunny afternoons in the 1494 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,240 Speaker 1: late season, you know, I I can't I haven't documented 1495 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,840 Speaker 1: that or anything, but just one of those things that 1496 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,120 Speaker 1: I do seem to see more dear on their feet 1497 01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,760 Speaker 1: when I'm out and about, you know, um, doing my 1498 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,000 Speaker 1: thing thing. So those are the conditions that that I 1499 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,760 Speaker 1: kind of like to look forward at least this time 1500 01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: of year. Yeah, yeah, I feel like, Um, I feel 1501 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,200 Speaker 1: like I've heard similar things too, and even I think 1502 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,120 Speaker 1: lots of times you'll get those nice sunny days tend 1503 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 1: to come with that postfront high pressure system, right, Um, 1504 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,960 Speaker 1: so you kind of get those those coinciding factors that 1505 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden make it especially good. So when 1506 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you get that, those are that's another one of those 1507 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,040 Speaker 1: check it on the calendar, gotta make it happen kind 1508 01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,639 Speaker 1: of day. If you have the flexibility. Um, I feel 1509 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,760 Speaker 1: like late season especially is, and it's it's important all 1510 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,320 Speaker 1: year round. I guess early season in late season maybe 1511 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,560 Speaker 1: more so, but it's if you can there's gonna be 1512 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,519 Speaker 1: a handful of special days each year that are gonna 1513 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,560 Speaker 1: be just just a notch or two above all the 1514 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,040 Speaker 1: other days because of some kind of system moving through 1515 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,280 Speaker 1: and if you can find a way to have the 1516 01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,880 Speaker 1: flexibility to make sure you're there on those couple few 1517 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,760 Speaker 1: special days. I'm not saying that they it's always gonna 1518 01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,320 Speaker 1: work out. It's not not saying that you're not going 1519 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,920 Speaker 1: to kill a deer on a ran um day, that 1520 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,160 Speaker 1: all the factors aren't aligned, But it just seems to 1521 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,360 Speaker 1: be that if you can take advantage of those few 1522 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,840 Speaker 1: special ones, you're gonna just put yourself in a little 1523 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,320 Speaker 1: better position. That's that's worth doing if you can. Oh yeah, 1524 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,280 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. Sometimes some days you get in a tree 1525 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,680 Speaker 1: and you just know things be al right, you know. 1526 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I love I have a totally different physical feeling on 1527 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,559 Speaker 1: those days, Like it's usually when I'm getting things ready 1528 01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:29,920 Speaker 1: at the house, doing my final prep, loading the truck, 1529 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,200 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. On the days where you just 1530 01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,599 Speaker 1: have that feeling your gut like it's a kill day, 1531 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,400 Speaker 1: where you just know everything's lined up. That's one of 1532 01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,320 Speaker 1: my favorite things all year round as far as like hunting, 1533 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,519 Speaker 1: Like what you just know when those special days are there. 1534 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. The sense of anticipation, excitement is just 1535 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,400 Speaker 1: it's turned up to eleven on the dial, and I 1536 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:53,960 Speaker 1: live for that. So so all this stuff's great, and 1537 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,120 Speaker 1: it's it's the knowledge is so important when it comes 1538 01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,080 Speaker 1: to hunting all year round, of course, but late season 1539 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,800 Speaker 1: especially Um, but I think sometimes the toughest thing is 1540 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,599 Speaker 1: just staying motivated. You know, after a long hunting season, 1541 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,360 Speaker 1: you're tired, you're worn out. Maybe things have been going bad. Um, 1542 01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:17,400 Speaker 1: it's cold, you're recovering from eating turkey and ham and 1543 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,120 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of pounds of stuffing and mashed potatoes. 1544 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,280 Speaker 1: It can be kind of tough to pull yourself back 1545 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,120 Speaker 1: out there. Do you have any kind of final parting 1546 01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,639 Speaker 1: words of wisdom as far as that side of things, Um, 1547 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to the late season and just keeping 1548 01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,840 Speaker 1: after it. Well, it's okay to be comfortable when you're 1549 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,559 Speaker 1: deer hunting. Um. You know, there's some really good clothing 1550 01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,519 Speaker 1: out there made that that helps keep you warm. But 1551 01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,040 Speaker 1: even with the very best stuff on, Uh, sitting in 1552 01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,200 Speaker 1: a little bit lock on stam when it's in the 1553 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:52,720 Speaker 1: teens is tough. Um. You know it's sometimes it's necessary, 1554 01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,080 Speaker 1: but um, you know there's nothing wrong with being in 1555 01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:58,160 Speaker 1: the ground blind with a buddy heater, or being in 1556 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,720 Speaker 1: a box blind with a buddy heater and and keeping warm. Um. 1557 01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,760 Speaker 1: You know, when I'm hunting during the rut or any 1558 01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,160 Speaker 1: time that I need to, you know, to put time 1559 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:10,800 Speaker 1: in the stand that I that I know I may 1560 01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,160 Speaker 1: be sitting there a while. I always bring a thermos 1561 01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:19,800 Speaker 1: of coffee. Um, maybe it's spooked a deer before, but 1562 01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,519 Speaker 1: I can't really think of an instance where I'm like, yep, 1563 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,560 Speaker 1: that dear spook because I was drinking coffee. Um, you know, 1564 01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, so I I bring a thermis a coffee. 1565 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,760 Speaker 1: It helps pack past the time. I bring plenties next 1566 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 1: and I and I read like crazy on the stand. Um, 1567 01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a fan of playing on my phone 1568 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:42,400 Speaker 1: a whole lot when I'm in the tree. I mean, 1569 01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,760 Speaker 1: I do same as everybody else. I'm checking emails on 1570 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,120 Speaker 1: Facebook all that crap. But um, you know it's a phone. 1571 01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:52,080 Speaker 1: Batteries die quickly, uh this time of year. So so 1572 01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,280 Speaker 1: there's that part of it. And uh, you know, you 1573 01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,560 Speaker 1: start scrolling through in the video plays or whatever like 1574 01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:02,719 Speaker 1: it can really get distracted. But um, there's something about 1575 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,240 Speaker 1: a paperback book. And I picked my books carefully. You know, 1576 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,960 Speaker 1: I definitely want to get something that I want to read, 1577 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: But I've got to get a book that I need 1578 01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,040 Speaker 1: to be sure that I can quickly slide it into 1579 01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,000 Speaker 1: a jacket pocket or a kip pocket or something like that, 1580 01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,880 Speaker 1: and like Michelle and I are really we both read 1581 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,920 Speaker 1: a ton in the stand, um, but we're really careful 1582 01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,200 Speaker 1: about which books we pick. We don't pick hardback books 1583 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,120 Speaker 1: because you know, if you happen to drop one out 1584 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,719 Speaker 1: of the tree, it's gonna make a lot of noise. 1585 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,320 Speaker 1: But like small paperback books that you can slip into 1586 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,599 Speaker 1: a pocket quickly, um, you know, and you can sit there, 1587 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,160 Speaker 1: you can read a little bit, you can cast your 1588 01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:39,040 Speaker 1: eyes up, you know, twice a page and just kind 1589 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,840 Speaker 1: of check around. And it actually keeps you pretty still 1590 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,920 Speaker 1: to have a book on your lap and just turning 1591 01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,840 Speaker 1: the pages with your thumb in a way that you know, 1592 01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,920 Speaker 1: even messing with a phone, you're moving around a little 1593 01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 1: bit and there's a few more distractions involved. So um, 1594 01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, you still need to pay attention obviously, but 1595 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,240 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's okay to have some things to occupy 1596 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,360 Speaker 1: yourself on the stand. You know. It's not like century 1597 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 1: duty or something. So I've always I've always felt the 1598 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,639 Speaker 1: same way, I'd rather have something like that that, especially 1599 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,560 Speaker 1: for me, like during all day sits in November, that 1600 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of thing, a book or reading something on my 1601 01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,439 Speaker 1: phone or whatever might be. I'd rather do that and 1602 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,479 Speaker 1: stay out in the woods all day because of that 1603 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,040 Speaker 1: little bit of help, versus coming in for four hours 1604 01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,280 Speaker 1: or two hours or whatever and completely missed that window 1605 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:25,639 Speaker 1: of time out there. So if you need a little 1606 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,479 Speaker 1: something to help you, go for it. As far as 1607 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,479 Speaker 1: I'm concerned, Yep, absolutely. Okay. Now to wrap it up, 1608 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,759 Speaker 1: we've got Gabe A. Dare. He's over there in Iowa. 1609 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,559 Speaker 1: Let's hear his thoughts on late season hunting. So now 1610 01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,920 Speaker 1: we're staring December in the face. From your perspective, is 1611 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,559 Speaker 1: the best behind this? Or do you like the late season? 1612 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,880 Speaker 1: Do we have some good things still ahead for us here? Yeah? 1613 01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,840 Speaker 1: I love late season anymore. I don't like November. I mean, 1614 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,880 Speaker 1: I can I know I killed my two biggest year 1615 01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,680 Speaker 1: killed you know in November, my my two archery two 1616 01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,240 Speaker 1: hundreds of both November or tenth and twelve. Um, but 1617 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,599 Speaker 1: you had when when I peeled them off the wall, boy, 1618 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,559 Speaker 1: it real quickly goes to late October, late late November 1619 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,400 Speaker 1: and later you know. Um, I struggled a lot in November, 1620 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,800 Speaker 1: and so you know I started getting into that tenth 1621 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,280 Speaker 1: and twelfth and I haven't got anyting killed. I almost 1622 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,360 Speaker 1: start you know, looking towards the twenty one and on, 1623 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,400 Speaker 1: because I just we really struggle, you know with these 1624 01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:27,400 Speaker 1: bigger gear once they start locking down with those And 1625 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,640 Speaker 1: so yeah, I love late season. I'm as you know, 1626 01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,519 Speaker 1: I don't farm actively right now, but I've grown up farming, 1627 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, and so we've got equipment, We're fortunately got 1628 01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,760 Speaker 1: a lot of food, and so I love late season. Um, 1629 01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, I would rather give gear a place to 1630 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,080 Speaker 1: live and hunt them on the edges and hunt them 1631 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,720 Speaker 1: on foot. That's you know probably you know, when you 1632 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,599 Speaker 1: know you you put that together with interns and exit, 1633 01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,599 Speaker 1: and I think you got a thick at that point, 1634 01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think you gotta made and so um, 1635 01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:57,599 Speaker 1: you know, with with late season coming up, you've got 1636 01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,240 Speaker 1: good food sources, good grain. I'm a big grain guy. 1637 01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,080 Speaker 1: When it gets late i'd really have corn beans. Um. 1638 01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,160 Speaker 1: You know, when you get to that late season hunt 1639 01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,720 Speaker 1: and you've got good food and you can get in out, 1640 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,840 Speaker 1: it's as deadly as any part of the year in 1641 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,240 Speaker 1: my opinion. So so if someone you know, right now, 1642 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,240 Speaker 1: it's it's today's last day of November. So we're just 1643 01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:20,200 Speaker 1: starting to make that transition into December into that late 1644 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:24,360 Speaker 1: season kind of phase of the year. Um, is there 1645 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 1: anything that should be done that people should be thinking 1646 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,920 Speaker 1: about or or even actually physically doing right now to 1647 01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,800 Speaker 1: prepare for this late season? Um? Or would you say, 1648 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, just get out and start hunting food or 1649 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, is there any kind of transitionary things 1650 01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,479 Speaker 1: they should be doing right now to get ready for 1651 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:43,280 Speaker 1: that best late cold weather and hunts? You know? And 1652 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,800 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if you've got to do something, 1653 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,560 Speaker 1: you're buying the eight ball, and it always got to 1654 01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,600 Speaker 1: be done ahead of time. You've got to kind of 1655 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,360 Speaker 1: prepare and have your stuff set up, because at this 1656 01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,960 Speaker 1: point I just locked down everything. I keep everything to 1657 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,280 Speaker 1: a minimum. Um. And I really watched my cameras. You know, 1658 01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:00,360 Speaker 1: we'll we'll run a bunch of camp where you know, 1659 01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,760 Speaker 1: they start coming back with the scrapes real hard. Once 1660 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,920 Speaker 1: the run lines down, it seems like the signpost kind 1661 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,960 Speaker 1: of you know, so you can run some cameras back 1662 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,000 Speaker 1: on the scrapes and a lot of food source stuff 1663 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,040 Speaker 1: a lot of time laughs. You know, I run a 1664 01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,640 Speaker 1: lot of time labs cameras so I can see the 1665 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,920 Speaker 1: whole food plot before the sun goes down. And so 1666 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,000 Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing, you know. And and that's the 1667 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 1: other thing. You know, a lot of these food plots, 1668 01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,200 Speaker 1: I may have them set up to where, you know, 1669 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,600 Speaker 1: they are tight to the bedding, you know, which is 1670 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: when you get those deer in the real early you know, 1671 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,479 Speaker 1: because I've killed a lot of here in lots of years. 1672 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,920 Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of ear at three o'clock in 1673 01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,120 Speaker 1: the afternoon, you know, five or six, seven year old 1674 01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 1: and hex U two years ago I killed the night 1675 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,599 Speaker 1: and a half year old and it was like three, 1676 01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, So but that yeah, but that's kind of 1677 01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,800 Speaker 1: getting back into that. You know, the foods where it 1678 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,840 Speaker 1: needs to be. It's close to the bedding. They don't 1679 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,400 Speaker 1: have to move very far to get to it. But 1680 01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,519 Speaker 1: then I've also got that you know, component of if 1681 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put some food here, you know, how can 1682 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,960 Speaker 1: I monitor? How can I check it? You know, that's 1683 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of like the blind deal. I tried to set 1684 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,160 Speaker 1: it up to where, you know, as long as I 1685 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:56,559 Speaker 1: got the right wind, I can get in there, pull 1686 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,479 Speaker 1: some cards, get out midday or or late morning, you know, 1687 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,160 Speaker 1: and not hav any issues. Um, you know, we're big 1688 01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,280 Speaker 1: on vehicles too, you know, Well, I'd much rather pulling 1689 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,000 Speaker 1: somewhere like a farmer would, you know, just in case 1690 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:09,640 Speaker 1: something is on the food, you know, the middle of 1691 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,400 Speaker 1: the day. I really pulling there. And you know, sometimes 1692 01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,439 Speaker 1: I'll even take the tractor and you know, just because 1693 01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,720 Speaker 1: they're used to it and it doesn't bother them as much, 1694 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:19,479 Speaker 1: you know, But I'd much rather, you know, take a 1695 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,639 Speaker 1: risk with a vehicle or attractive and you know, walking 1696 01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,840 Speaker 1: up the hill and blowing out of fields, you know, 1697 01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,479 Speaker 1: on foot. So a lot of things with the with 1698 01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,040 Speaker 1: the trail cameras you were talking about, you know, monitoring 1699 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,760 Speaker 1: these and you talked about using vehicles access it and 1700 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,000 Speaker 1: things like that. Um, how often do you go in 1701 01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,320 Speaker 1: to check these cameras, because that's always something I struggle with, 1702 01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,639 Speaker 1: is to your point earlier, you want to keep everything, 1703 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,400 Speaker 1: all your impact as minimal as possible. But at the 1704 01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,680 Speaker 1: same time you need to monitor these somehow so that 1705 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:48,880 Speaker 1: you can make sure you're hunting at the right time. 1706 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: So how do you balance that? Um, you know, if 1707 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:57,280 Speaker 1: the wind's right and I'm cautious, I'm not going into 1708 01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,760 Speaker 1: their bedroom to get these and so I I don't 1709 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,680 Speaker 1: worry about that as much. Not what that said I'm 1710 01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,840 Speaker 1: not check them every day, but I don't worry about 1711 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,160 Speaker 1: it too much. I'm really careful with my feet. Um, 1712 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'll really take care of my boots. But 1713 01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:12,479 Speaker 1: the wind's right, you know, I'm not leaving a munch 1714 01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,800 Speaker 1: of boot tracks, which I'm there again. That's kind of 1715 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,639 Speaker 1: one of my my deals. I really watched my floot tracks. Um, 1716 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't bother me too much. You know, I'll slip in, 1717 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,080 Speaker 1: slip out. You know. I think I think deer expect 1718 01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,960 Speaker 1: a certain amount of pressure. I think that they can 1719 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,240 Speaker 1: they live with the next amount of pressure, and I 1720 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,240 Speaker 1: think that's a pressure that doesn't bother them. You know, 1721 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,040 Speaker 1: you're not going into their bedroom. You're not bumping them 1722 01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,920 Speaker 1: out of bed. You're not you know, as long as 1723 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,000 Speaker 1: you're not flowing wind right down into a drawer or 1724 01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,320 Speaker 1: ditch or block the woods they're in, you know, and 1725 01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,240 Speaker 1: you're careful, that's your feet. I'm big on feet. Um, 1726 01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it really hurts me too much, 1727 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,160 Speaker 1: you know. So you know, if I know there's a 1728 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:48,920 Speaker 1: good one in there, and I'm really monitoring, I mean 1729 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,599 Speaker 1: I I may check camera, you know, like that big 1730 01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,519 Speaker 1: one this year. We were checking the camera every couple 1731 01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,519 Speaker 1: of days, you know. But we we got in, got out. 1732 01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:57,880 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't do on the wind at all, 1733 01:26:58,160 --> 01:26:59,680 Speaker 1: But if we had the right wind, we'd go. We 1734 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,560 Speaker 1: events flip out, check it, you know, and make a 1735 01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,400 Speaker 1: decision from there. Yeah. Do you do any other scouting 1736 01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,160 Speaker 1: of any kind this time of year? Maybe glassing or 1737 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,559 Speaker 1: are literally walking around at all? Anything else other than 1738 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,040 Speaker 1: the cameras? Yeah. Glass, I'm a big I'm a big glass. 1739 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,920 Speaker 1: I've got all kinds of places. Most of my farms, 1740 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:21,639 Speaker 1: you know, they're tough, but you know we've got advantage points. Um. 1741 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,000 Speaker 1: You know that we can go park and just glass 1742 01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,160 Speaker 1: and sit and watch and you know, and I like 1743 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,240 Speaker 1: doing that because I can cover a lot more ground. 1744 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,920 Speaker 1: Growing up, my father was big. You know, that was 1745 01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,479 Speaker 1: one of the things we did. You know, we cover 1746 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:34,880 Speaker 1: a lot of ground. We had a lot of ground 1747 01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,720 Speaker 1: to hunt grown up, um, you know, and so rather 1748 01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: than being stuck or can find in one spot, you know, 1749 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,680 Speaker 1: we could bounce around and cover multiple farms and look 1750 01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,040 Speaker 1: at stuff and you know a lot of deer I kill. 1751 01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,920 Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of where it will start. You know, 1752 01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's all I'll pick them up 1753 01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,439 Speaker 1: from glasso or scouting you know, their picture. But when 1754 01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,840 Speaker 1: you can lay eyeballs on and watch them for ten minutes, 1755 01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, making natural movement, and then you can really 1756 01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,479 Speaker 1: start to you know, connect the dots at that point. 1757 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,120 Speaker 1: And so a while of the deer I shoot. You know, 1758 01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,360 Speaker 1: that's a big part of it, is his glassing, scouting 1759 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,920 Speaker 1: from the road, pulling into high points, you know, anywhere 1760 01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,160 Speaker 1: you can get away with it. So so would it 1761 01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,320 Speaker 1: be fair to say that you are doing that more 1762 01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:18,240 Speaker 1: often than maybe you're even hunting during the late season. Yeah. Absolutely. 1763 01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:23,120 Speaker 1: My cameraman's love me. They love you know, because I'm 1764 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,600 Speaker 1: not the guy that's gonna just pound it out for 1765 01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,920 Speaker 1: seven straight days. I mean I may hunt one day 1766 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,120 Speaker 1: in seven, you know if that's you know, because I'm 1767 01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:32,240 Speaker 1: not I'm not big on blind hunt. I don't like 1768 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,360 Speaker 1: to just goes, Oh it's going here the winds right, 1769 01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,000 Speaker 1: you know. I like scenarios. I like no big here 1770 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,080 Speaker 1: and there. I like to have a game plan. That's 1771 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,360 Speaker 1: what gets me fired up anymore, you know. And so 1772 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,200 Speaker 1: when I can really start, you know, I like going 1773 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,760 Speaker 1: into a set because I've got a whole bunch of 1774 01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,560 Speaker 1: data getting me there. I don't like going and just 1775 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,679 Speaker 1: setting all day and a set somewhere to say I'm hunting. 1776 01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,559 Speaker 1: You know, I would rather go go pick them points 1777 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,880 Speaker 1: apart and start putting them together and be really fired 1778 01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,960 Speaker 1: up going in somewhere because I know he's either they 1779 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,200 Speaker 1: are closed before he's been there, you know. And so yeah, 1780 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,639 Speaker 1: I do have ton discounting. I would. You know, this year, 1781 01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,320 Speaker 1: we we weren't hunting mornings much at all because I 1782 01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,880 Speaker 1: didn't want to go take the chance. I knew I 1783 01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,360 Speaker 1: had his I had his kitchen. You know, I can 1784 01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:15,920 Speaker 1: hunt him in the bedroom, but I knew I had 1785 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,000 Speaker 1: the food. I knew that we could get in and 1786 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,679 Speaker 1: out super super easy. It was like a dream set 1787 01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,599 Speaker 1: up for in and our and so I just you know, mornings, 1788 01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,840 Speaker 1: we we took a couple of shots seen him once, 1789 01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, about killed him that first move I made 1790 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,680 Speaker 1: on him. But you know, in the mornings, i'd go 1791 01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: run around the sections and part and watch and just 1792 01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,080 Speaker 1: see if I put eyeballs on him, and and we did. 1793 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, we've seen him quite a bit. Yeah. So 1794 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,680 Speaker 1: so in the late season then what what has to 1795 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,720 Speaker 1: be present as far as conditions or data for you 1796 01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:50,960 Speaker 1: to take that shot. Um. Like right now, I'm struggling 1797 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,000 Speaker 1: with after that year. Um, I've got a handful of 1798 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,360 Speaker 1: five year olds that didn't grow much um. And so 1799 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm really struggling with him. And I'm rolling the dice, 1800 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,560 Speaker 1: maybe all of them, but one for letting them go 1801 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,600 Speaker 1: another year and see what happens. Um. But you know, 1802 01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,599 Speaker 1: it's like that one deer. I'm gonna want to I'm 1803 01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna I want to get a beat on where he's did, right. 1804 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,479 Speaker 1: You know, I know where he likes to bed. I 1805 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,680 Speaker 1: know kind of where his home is. Um. But I 1806 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,240 Speaker 1: wanna I want to get him in on that food plot. 1807 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:20,040 Speaker 1: I want to see him on camera. I'd like to 1808 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,760 Speaker 1: see him in daylight, you know, whether it's scouting that 1809 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,719 Speaker 1: food plot from a distance or slipping in and pulling 1810 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,240 Speaker 1: a card. Um. But yeah, I won't. You know. I 1811 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,040 Speaker 1: talked to Adam, my cameraman, just earlier today and and 1812 01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,000 Speaker 1: he asked me what's going on? I said, absolutely nothing. 1813 01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,200 Speaker 1: And it won't be the weather's warm, I said, once 1814 01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,200 Speaker 1: it cools off, I said, I'm gonna keep watching cameras. 1815 01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep scouting, and once I really get one, 1816 01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, once you know one's in there, and then 1817 01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,040 Speaker 1: then I'll get after it. But if I don't know 1818 01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:45,960 Speaker 1: there's one in there, I'll leave it alone, you know. 1819 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,759 Speaker 1: And so between cameras or or glassing you know, a field, 1820 01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,840 Speaker 1: I'll sit back, um, rather than take a shot and 1821 01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,880 Speaker 1: go up in there and you know, just on a 1822 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,640 Speaker 1: whim and and you know, maybe something happens and and 1823 01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,920 Speaker 1: figure it up and you know, and set yourself back. 1824 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,360 Speaker 1: M hm. So so would you not even go in 1825 01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,200 Speaker 1: if we got a great set of conditions? So let's 1826 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,839 Speaker 1: say you haven't gotten eyes on them, you know, recently 1827 01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:11,880 Speaker 1: in daylight or something like that. But we just get 1828 01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,320 Speaker 1: this mega cold front and snow. Will something like that 1829 01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,760 Speaker 1: dream scenario be enough to get you to go in 1830 01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,360 Speaker 1: there even though you don't have the sighting or the 1831 01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:24,680 Speaker 1: picture to tell you to go or is it no, 1832 01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,120 Speaker 1: I gotta have that yeah? Yeah, And that's if you 1833 01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:32,080 Speaker 1: get a you know that that big cold push coming down, 1834 01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,719 Speaker 1: big front, cold temperature, snow, you know, the perfect storm 1835 01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,000 Speaker 1: everybody wants and looks like you got all roll the 1836 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,160 Speaker 1: dice on those average conditions. Now I'll just sit back 1837 01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,400 Speaker 1: all way, you know. No, I killed a lot of 1838 01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:47,280 Speaker 1: deer in average conditions because there again I went full 1839 01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,200 Speaker 1: the car or glass the field and wow, he's in there, 1840 01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, fortyfore dark and and then you know, the 1841 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,760 Speaker 1: next night getting there on very fair you know, conditions 1842 01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,800 Speaker 1: that are fair at best, you know, warm or wind whatever, 1843 01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,880 Speaker 1: and get killed. But yeah, if I get that perfect 1844 01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,960 Speaker 1: storm of big front moving in cold camps some snow combined, yeah, 1845 01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,760 Speaker 1: then then what I do is if I don't have one, 1846 01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,160 Speaker 1: really you know, a beat on one, then I just 1847 01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,680 Speaker 1: use my gut of Okay, I'm pretty sure this is 1848 01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,479 Speaker 1: where he's gonna be, this is where he's always been, 1849 01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,200 Speaker 1: this is where he likes to be at this time 1850 01:32:19,240 --> 01:32:20,880 Speaker 1: of the year. And then I'll take my shot, you 1851 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,080 Speaker 1: know at that point. So weather we'll get me, will 1852 01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,560 Speaker 1: get me on a food source, even without you know, 1853 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,920 Speaker 1: getting some sort of data, No one, they're in there. 1854 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,639 Speaker 1: So so what about this scenario. Then let's say you've 1855 01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,320 Speaker 1: got a handful of different types of food sources on 1856 01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,519 Speaker 1: your property in the late season. Maybe you maybe you've 1857 01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,840 Speaker 1: got a grain field somewhere, maybe that's corner beans. And 1858 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,320 Speaker 1: then maybe you've got a green food source, maybe it's 1859 01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:48,000 Speaker 1: brassicas or something like that. Uh, and who knows what else. 1860 01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,760 Speaker 1: Maybe then there's a natural forage area. Maybe there's still 1861 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,080 Speaker 1: some acorns or something along those lines in another section 1862 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,679 Speaker 1: near firm. I find myself in this dilemma. I'm gonna 1863 01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,840 Speaker 1: go into a late season hunt. Conditions seem good, and 1864 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, which food source should I folk of something? 1865 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,559 Speaker 1: Because so much late season hunting is focused on food? 1866 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,000 Speaker 1: How do you choose the right food? Is there any 1867 01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,120 Speaker 1: set of conditions that you said, Okay, now i'm gonna 1868 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,439 Speaker 1: focus on green. Now I'm gonna focus on grain. Now 1869 01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:13,479 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something different. How do you think about that? Um, 1870 01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:18,080 Speaker 1: that's the corn is king. That is easy. I mean, 1871 01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,759 Speaker 1: I just I've always lived like and here's late season. 1872 01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, you get your guys to a diehard being guys, 1873 01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,519 Speaker 1: and I always laugh and say, you better hope my 1874 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,040 Speaker 1: corn plotting across the sense or across the road from me, 1875 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,160 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna own them. And and I truly believe that. 1876 01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:34,400 Speaker 1: I just don't. I think beans are great. I think 1877 01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,960 Speaker 1: they've got this place. I think they're they're awesome food 1878 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:40,800 Speaker 1: source for a longer time frame. You know, It's like alfalfa. 1879 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,680 Speaker 1: I think alfalfa is probably the one I've taken off 1880 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,360 Speaker 1: my farm and I've putting it back on my farm. 1881 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,120 Speaker 1: And I think alfalfa is, you know, if you want 1882 01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,920 Speaker 1: to hold gars, one of the most important, you know, components. 1883 01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,519 Speaker 1: I think beans have an awesome place, But when you 1884 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,760 Speaker 1: get right down to late season hunting and what they 1885 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,960 Speaker 1: really need, it's it's car it's corn. You know, they're 1886 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,160 Speaker 1: gonna come to you. You know, you've got a food 1887 01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,080 Speaker 1: plot that's half corn, half beans. I'm not saying they're 1888 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,719 Speaker 1: gonna go all, you know, but that corn is gonna 1889 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,720 Speaker 1: own the majority of them. And I think with consistency, 1890 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna there's gonna be some nifer. Yeah, they're gonna 1891 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna hit. You're gonna see bearing the beans a 1892 01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,920 Speaker 1: little more in the corn. But I think consistently, day 1893 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,720 Speaker 1: in day out, when you're hunting, you know, in our 1894 01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,040 Speaker 1: region where you're snow and cold, and their survival mode 1895 01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,800 Speaker 1: corns game. Do you give any do you have any um? 1896 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,080 Speaker 1: What am I trying to say? Green food sources like turnips, 1897 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,360 Speaker 1: Brassica's rape kill, all that kind of stuff. Does that 1898 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,720 Speaker 1: do much for you? Yeah? We use them, Yeah, we 1899 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,400 Speaker 1: use them. And I think there's some you know, like 1900 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,400 Speaker 1: post right like right now, you know, first gun season 1901 01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,280 Speaker 1: for US early December. I think it's phenomenal, um, you know, 1902 01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:48,840 Speaker 1: because it's the last green eyng else has done turned 1903 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,840 Speaker 1: and you know if you've got some green and everything 1904 01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,040 Speaker 1: else has already turned. Yeah, you're you know, you're you're 1905 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,519 Speaker 1: in the chips and so and so. That's where you 1906 01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,880 Speaker 1: know a lot of these different you know, food sources 1907 01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,519 Speaker 1: have their spots, you know, and out on them and 1908 01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,960 Speaker 1: I love them. But when you start talking consistently, day in, 1909 01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,360 Speaker 1: day out, corners king. All right, And that's a wrap. 1910 01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,200 Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning in. I hope you find 1911 01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:13,760 Speaker 1: this one helpful. Um. I will just leave you with 1912 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,360 Speaker 1: the same reminders I gave you at the top, which 1913 01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,679 Speaker 1: is number one. Check out the new book from Meat Eater, 1914 01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,000 Speaker 1: The Meat Eater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival by 1915 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,160 Speaker 1: Stephen Ronnella, with contributions from other folks on the team too, 1916 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,800 Speaker 1: So check that out at Amazon or the metior dot 1917 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,840 Speaker 1: com wherever you want to find it. Also check out 1918 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,960 Speaker 1: the back forty which is on the Meat Eater YouTube channel, 1919 01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:41,200 Speaker 1: new episodes coming out every Sunday. And finally, have faith 1920 01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:45,080 Speaker 1: keep at it, have fun. The late season can be 1921 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:47,439 Speaker 1: a great season, but you've got to have that mental 1922 01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:51,599 Speaker 1: toughness and stick tuitiveness to enjoy that. So I'm wishing 1923 01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,960 Speaker 1: you well and hoping for the best and until next time, 1924 01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:00,759 Speaker 1: thank you for listening, and stay wired and Dart