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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on

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Speaker 1: your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative,

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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. This is where we heal, this is

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Speaker 1: where we become. All Right, everyone, please buckle up for

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Speaker 2: Really excited to share today's guest with you.

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Speaker 1: He is a dear friend, a brother, and someone I've

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Speaker 2: So today's guest.

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Speaker 1: Minaj is one of the world's most in demand teachers

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Speaker 1: Please excuse the mis see Welcome back to the show manaj.

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Speaker 3: Das nice to be back.

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Speaker 4: And I was kind of cringing when I'm hearing my

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Speaker 2: Does it offend your humility?

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Speaker 3: It's actually a disease. It's called tall Poppy syndrome.

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Speaker 1: just spoke to that just so many grapple with in

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Speaker 1: this you know, the year of our Lord twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: where Internet is king and perception somehow, you know, exceeds reality.

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Speaker 1: I think people don't always recognize that they have a

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Speaker 1: choice what they engage with. Right. So it's like we

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Speaker 1: can encounter this experience of so called hate on the internet, right,

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Speaker 1: or this experience of people being against us or feuding

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Speaker 1: with us. But I've just found so often it's you know,

446
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Speaker 1: we're in.

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Speaker 2: Co creation with that too.

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Speaker 1: The moment we give it our attention, the moment we

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Speaker 1: let it take over our awareness, and we I don't

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Speaker 1: understand always the power of letting go of the grip.

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Speaker 1: You know it exists because you allow it to to

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Speaker 1: a certain extent. Right, there are some things out of

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Speaker 1: our control, and there's very often things that happen that

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Speaker 1: are without our consent. But in the context of what

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Speaker 1: is like non violent, non harmful, non urgent, we are

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Speaker 1: making a choice to kind of have those experiences and

457
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Speaker 1: let them create the essence of how we feel. But

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Speaker 1: when we let go or when we choose to disengage,

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Speaker 1: I think so often we can be just absolutely shocked

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Speaker 1: at how quickly whatever that experience of discomfort or frustration

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Speaker 1: is the way it can just leave us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean letting goes really hot. Yeah, firstly

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Speaker 4: with throwing it out there. Yeah, And like my pet

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Speaker 4: peeve is when I go to a yoga class and

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Speaker 4: she's like, just let go, I'm like, woman, what are

466
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Speaker 4: you telling me to do?

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Speaker 3: Exactly? And you know how how to visits it?

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Speaker 4: But no, I think conceptually again, letting go is really

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Speaker 4: the work, right, It's constantly letting go of things that

470
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Speaker 4: are inherently impermanent, things that inherently a lot of things

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Speaker 4: that don't even matter at the end of our lives.

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Speaker 4: But to get to that, to have that awareness and

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Speaker 4: then to have the capability to take action and let

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Speaker 4: go in that moment is tough because you know, like anger,

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Speaker 4: for example, like, yeah, let go when you're angry, let go.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, but it feels so good.

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Speaker 4: That anger feels so good, and so it's seductive, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's seductive. Our habitual responses are seductive. And it is

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Speaker 4: a delicate balance between using our wisdom which we've cultivated

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Speaker 4: through practice, and.

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Speaker 3: Giving giving voice.

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Speaker 4: And giving action and giving our selves to a particular

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Speaker 4: feeling because sometimes it's great to let go into anger

484
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Speaker 4: and we need it. Right creates change sometimes anger creates

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Speaker 4: creates revolution at times. And also anger creates a lot

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Speaker 4: of hump and it creates a lot of pain and

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Speaker 4: creates a lot of suffering. And one of my teachers

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Speaker 4: used to say, it's like a button knife. A butter

489
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Speaker 4: knife can spread beautiful grass fed organic butter on bread,

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Speaker 4: but it can also kill someone. And it's it's how

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Speaker 4: do you use it, how do you respond to it?

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Speaker 4: How do you work with it at that moment?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I will encourage everyone though. I found

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Speaker 1: that if you choose, if you are able to make

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Speaker 1: a choice, that's in service to kind of releasing your

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Speaker 1: grip around something anything in your life. You will cringe

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Speaker 1: very often, you will want to scream it out inside

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Speaker 1: of your own body. But if you sit with it, it

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Speaker 1: creates a new pathway that your system begins to really like.

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Speaker 1: And then you'll be given opportunities quickly to do that again.

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Speaker 1: And then if you keep saying yes, which isn't always

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Speaker 1: possible and is it challenging, absolutely, can it be done? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: After a couple times, you get the hang of it,

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Speaker 1: and you actually realize how much power you have inside

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Speaker 1: and how powerful of a co creator in your life

506
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Speaker 1: you can be. And you know it depends on the experiences.

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Speaker 1: But I also say this as someone who chose to

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Speaker 1: get divorced in the beginning of a pandemic and had

509
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Speaker 1: to kind of navigate life with a decision that was

510
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Speaker 1: that affecting to the things around me. But I found

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Speaker 1: that as soon as you did the thing, you're just

512
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Speaker 1: met with a lot of opportunity to make new powerful

513
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Speaker 1: choices with ease, and you won't be met with as

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Speaker 1: much anxiety about them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you so beautifully said I think about it

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Speaker 4: in the context of meditation as well, Like you know,

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Speaker 4: when we meditate, we really look at ourselves, right, We

518
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Speaker 4: look at our own mind, we look at our own

519
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Speaker 4: tendencies a right, and the more we begin to look

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Speaker 4: at ourselves, we can see very clearly which actions or

521
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Speaker 4: thoughts lead us towards suffering and which actions and thoughts

522
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Speaker 4: lead us towards happiness. And then there's a choice that

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Speaker 4: we're presented with, like do I choose to go down

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Speaker 4: the road of suffering, which could be disdain, a toxic relationship,

525
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Speaker 4: which could be distained, a job that's killing you, all

526
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Speaker 4: of these things?

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Speaker 3: Or do I choose.

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Speaker 4: To go towards enjoy love all of that? And, like

529
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Speaker 4: you said, the more you do it, you start to

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Speaker 4: fall into this loop of having seen very clearly the

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Speaker 4: choices that are presented to us in our life. But

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Speaker 4: to get to that, it takes work. It takes the

533
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Speaker 4: faculty of developing awareness and intuition and then courage, because

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Speaker 4: you know, to leave a relationship or to leave a job,

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Speaker 4: or to say yes to a relationship or to say

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Speaker 4: yes to a job takes that. Okay, I believe in this,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like that's love that's motivating me here

538
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Speaker 4: and not fear or or safety or anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you beautiful talk to me about open So

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Speaker 1: what was your inspiration for co founding this? And you

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Speaker 1: know what did you notice that was kind of missing

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Speaker 1: that the bills?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I mean, it's been such a journey. I

544
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Speaker 4: was talking to my co founder Ride today about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's been four and a half years since,

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Speaker 4: you know, we decided to embark on this journey.

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Speaker 3: I started off when I was still in Australia.

548
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Speaker 4: I was trying to get over to America, but obviously

549
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Speaker 4: during the pandemic, the immigration was really crazy.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The vision was very simple. It was get more people

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Speaker 4: to these practices. And you know, we each have different interpretations.

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Speaker 4: But when I heard get more people, I thought, who

554
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Speaker 4: is not here, who is not practicing meditation, who is

555
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Speaker 4: not in the rooms that I'm going and teaching too?

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Speaker 4: And it was very obvious and very clear. It was minorities,

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Speaker 4: it was young people, it was old people. And then

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Speaker 4: there's this wellness demographic that you'd see at most yoga studios.

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Speaker 4: And my mission at that point was that, Okay, I

560
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Speaker 4: need to bring more people here. And it's not easy

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Speaker 4: because the people that tend to go to yoga studios

562
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Speaker 4: meditation studios, especially at place like Venice, are a specific

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Speaker 4: demographic that have.

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Speaker 3: Money that are located in those places. But it was

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Speaker 3: a long play for me.

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Speaker 4: It was like, Okay, I know maybe initially it's not

567
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Speaker 4: going to be like that, you know, and it's not true,

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Speaker 4: Like it is fairly diverse, it open, and we're lucky

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Speaker 4: because it's a pretty affluent white demographic of Venice Beach,

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Speaker 4: which is ironic in and of itself. But that was

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Speaker 4: the main mission. I want to get more people here.

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Speaker 4: And then as we started to work with these techniques

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Speaker 4: and different practices, we thought they in and of themselves

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Speaker 4: were inaccessible. A lot of my friends, when I say

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Speaker 4: come and do a yoga class, were like, nah, Na,

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Speaker 4: yoga's not for me. I'm going to go to the gym.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to live for soon. I'd be like that,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, well, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you'd get all these benefits.

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Speaker 4: And you know, blah blah. They're like, nah, I've only

581
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Speaker 4: got an hour a day, Like I got to do this.

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Speaker 4: So we developed movement classes that use the weights that

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Speaker 4: also leveraged yoga based movements, and then we created another movement.

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Speaker 4: I call it movement languages. Because they're not used styles

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Speaker 4: another movement language that was mobility focused, and that use

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Speaker 4: of mobility instead of yoga was also important because yoga

587
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Speaker 4: has a connotation that can either draw you in or

588
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Speaker 4: it can freak you out. And so blending different styles

589
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Speaker 4: different techniques was a way to get more people to

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Speaker 4: really this practice. And then finally it's this concept that

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Speaker 4: I've been learning for three and a half years, which

592
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Speaker 4: is around somatics and somatic psychology, which is around really

593
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Speaker 4: inhabiting the body as a way to really navigate, deal

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Speaker 4: and overcome complex trauma. And them out of twenty twenty

595
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Speaker 4: and teaching again, I realize we're all traumatized in various ways.

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Speaker 4: And I see this with CEOs that I coach on

597
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Speaker 4: the side, I see this with athletes, I see this

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Speaker 4: with the average person that walks in. We all have

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Speaker 4: these little fragments of experience that take us out of

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Speaker 4: our bodies, and we spend a lot of time not

601
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Speaker 4: in our bodies, and that has a ripple effect. That

602
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Speaker 4: has a ripple effect on our relationships with the people

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Speaker 4: that we love, our relationship to ourselves, to God, to

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Speaker 4: the present moment. And so the mission then became find

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Speaker 4: ways to get people here into their bodies and then

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Speaker 4: give them something to help them understand their lived experience.

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Speaker 4: And so we do that through meditation, through breath work,

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Speaker 4: through movement practices. We try to do it through our

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Speaker 4: social media. You know, Becka has a big, big impact

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Speaker 4: on that. Our dear friends.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Becker.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, in all of these ways. Is just finding

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Speaker 4: new ways to bring people into the present moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, to that point. And that's something we

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Speaker 1: discuss a lot on the show. Is complex post traumatic

616
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Speaker 1: stress and complex trauma. And you know what it is

617
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Speaker 1: to navigate with a complex lived experience and really want

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Speaker 1: you know, so many people I think especially that listen

619
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Speaker 1: to this show, you're navigating what we're calling in this moment,

620
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of lineage healing or intergenerational trauma. You know,

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Speaker 1: just really having this deep desire to meet yourself more

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Speaker 1: deeply so that the dynamic of everything in your life

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Speaker 1: gets to change. And it is hard, arduous, deeply devotional work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh, devotional that is the word, Like that is really

626
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Speaker 4: that is really it. It's a relationship that never ends

627
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Speaker 4: to right, because the healing, I don't feel like it

628
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Speaker 4: ever ends and it's interesting in a culture living in LA.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if.

630
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Speaker 2: I'm born and raised here.

631
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Speaker 3: Still yeah, yeah, I was about to go to La.

632
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Speaker 4: No, like I've really found it challenging. Is like me

633
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Speaker 4: being really vulnerable and honest right now. I found it,

634
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Speaker 4: you know. And also it's my own thing, right because

635
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Speaker 4: I've I live in Santa Monica and I don't feel

636
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Speaker 4: like it's my place, and my best friends are either

637
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Speaker 4: in New York or they're in Melbourne, and the culture

638
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Speaker 4: of LA is very different.

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Speaker 3: To those two places.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's been very interesting when you say devotion,

641
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Speaker 4: because we live, especially in LA, in such an immediacy

642
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Speaker 4: of healing. And I use healing in quotation marks because

643
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: it can be used flippantly as well, like we're healing

644
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 4: if we're doing this, we're healing if we're doing that.

645
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Speaker 4: My curiosity has always been living in LA, like what

646
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Speaker 4: is the actual work?

647
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Speaker 3: Like what is it actually like?

648
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Speaker 4: Are we just going to hang out of the beach

649
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 4: and you know, plant medicine and that's healing, right, And

650
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Speaker 4: I'm not judging for what it's worth, right, it's we

651
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: all have our own versions of that. But I come

652
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Speaker 4: from a lineage and I come from teachers that say

653
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Speaker 4: healing isn't sexy.

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Speaker 3: You don't post about it.

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Speaker 4: You know you you actually are in the murky depths

656
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Speaker 4: of darkness and you're broken.

657
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Speaker 3: You're broken down many many times.

658
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's that word really resonated when you say

659
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 4: because it's it takes so much devotion to commit to that.

660
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 4: It's devotion and the ugly times and the messiness and

661
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 4: the rawness and the broken downness, and it's only devotion

662
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 4: that gets you through at that point.

663
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: It's nothing else.

664
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: God, God.

665
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: I really resonate deeply with where you hold healing work.

666
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: You know it much like you. That's how I see things.

667
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: And this is not to take away from anyone else,

668
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: but I don't think, especially if you are posting about it,

669
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: talking about it in real time, it is possible for

670
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: you to be transcending that experience or quote unquote healing it.

671
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I think that those are things that you have to

672
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: be in such a devotional humility with and that you

673
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: have to allow to unfold, like there is so much unknown,

674
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: and I feel that it taints some of the process

675
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: if you are trying to quantify it, especially too soon,

676
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: or quantify it for audienceship you know, it can be challenging.

677
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: You may not get the opportunity to fully let it

678
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: sink into yourself yet because you have to integrate and

679
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: you have to create space to embody what it is

680
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: that you were doing.

681
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 4: Just to that point, I feel like often us being

682
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 4: really vocal about it is a is a coping mechanism,

683
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 4: you know. I feel like our phones and technology is

684
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: lack of a better word, like addictive, and we go

685
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 4: to it to cope with stress and overwhelm and even

686
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 4: in moments when we're doing some deep healing work. To

687
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: your point, if we start to go to that, if

688
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 4: it's like this thing we broadcast consciously or unconsciously, we're

689
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 4: not really still in it, you know, where we're disconnecting

690
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: from the experience, somewhere connecting to something else. And again

691
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 4: it's it's okay, we all go through our cycle of grief,

692
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: but it's important to know that that often the desire

693
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 4: to even even the moment we have a really peak experience.

694
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Right. I see a lot of people these days going

695
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: to South America and doing plant medicine ceremonies and I'm like, oh,

696
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: like I did this, and this is what happened I'm like, Yo,

697
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: you were just out yesterday and like the you're like

698
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: posting about stuff like take the moment to integrate, like

699
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: you said, take the moment to really learn, like what happens,

700
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 3: because some of these things unfold over time, you know,

701
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 3: they unfold the later.

702
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you for saying that.

703
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, I think, oh god, yes, it's you know,

704
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: I've done. I've done a lot of work on myself,

705
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: and very gratefully, I have found ways to move through

706
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: a lot of really complicated, complex trauma that I've experienced

707
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: since childhood, but so much of it I don't share

708
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: the process. I try to bring the wisdom forward, but

709
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't need to share all of the stories of

710
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: the darkness because where I'm holding them and where I'm

711
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: placing them, I have to just be in my own

712
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: process with myself and just allow the wisdom to flow forward,

713
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: but not necessarily kind of have tourism of the pain.

714
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, I mean one of my

715
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: favorite teachers back I'm in astray, Johnny Chatted. Johnny Paulotte

716
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: once said to me, you know, teaches often full victim

717
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 4: to sharing the wound, right sharing, Like I am in

718
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 4: this pain and we see that with social media, like

719
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 4: I'm going through this, and I think the really profound

720
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: teachers that have really been able to integrate and embody

721
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 4: their wisdom, they often share from the scar and that

722
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: that ability to say that, that ability to be with

723
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: the wound, to tend to it, to heal it, and

724
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: then to be able to say this is how I

725
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: healed it is for me the wisdom and it's kind

726
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: of lost in social media wellness a little bit. But

727
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 4: I think, you know, there are these incredible teachers out

728
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 4: there that like you're one of them. Like I've seen

729
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: you teach and I've seen you speak, and I actually

730
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: spoke to someone about it today, where when you're in

731
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: the presence of someone that embodies what they're teaching, there

732
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 4: are no words, like you just feel it, right, Like

733
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: we've been in front of teachers where you're like, oh, yeah,

734
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 4: they could just be saying the simplest thing, but you're

735
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: like this.

736
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 3: Is yes, that is different, right, yeah, no, like you

737
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 3: feel it.

738
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: Whereas someone that comes and says something that they've just

739
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: learned from a book or from a podcasts, it's a

740
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: different frequency. And I'm not someone that's deeply into things

741
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: I don't really understand and that are not tangible. But

742
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 4: I believe in energy, and I believe that there is

743
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: an energetic component to wisdom that that can't be articulated

744
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: with words, words words.

745
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: Deeply, well, you are such a poet.

746
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: I just I love the way you.

747
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you feel all of the deep study and research

748
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: and observing and surgery that you have been doing on

749
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: your life and the world around you, mainly overthinking, you know,

750
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: ruminating thoughts, right, thank you.

751
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: You know, and something that you brought forward when and.

752
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: Blessed.

753
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: This is not with any specific criticism or judgment, but

754
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: there is some observation that I'm going to share that

755
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm noticing. But when we talk about, for instance, some

756
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: of the communities that feel.

757
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: Very bypassy, right, it feels very like I.

758
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Am into the festival of it all, I am into

759
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: the ayahuasca of it all. I am into the kind

760
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: of what I observe as more performative experience of spirituality.

761
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: You know, something that I think is so important to

762
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: remember is that absolutely anything can be used as a

763
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: tool of avoidance, like anything, including God, right, which is

764
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: how very often and a lot of and we've talked

765
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: about this on the show quite a bit. There's a

766
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: lot of religious trauma in the world, especially in the

767
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: black community. There is a lot of religious trauma.

768
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: You know.

769
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: It's easy to just spiritually bypass while talking about spirit

770
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, are is ayahuasca or any

771
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: of the things that one can do? And I've done ayahuasca,

772
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: But are those any of the things? You know? Are

773
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: you avoiding yourself by saying that you're doing something? You know?

774
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: Are you avoiding yourself by taking pictures of what you're

775
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: doing so you can be perceived as healed whole, or

776
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, a little more courageous or much to your point,

777
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: are you sitting with all the things?

778
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I appreciate you bringing this up.

779
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: I think it's something that people in minority communities especially,

780
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 4: we don't really talk about because you know, I came

781
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: from the Buddhist world, which was very much the same

782
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: as you know, other religions. I think two things can

783
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: exist at the same time. I've always believed that I

784
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: think that we can about what we're eating and what

785
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 4: we're doing and what we're practicing and be doing the work.

786
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: But I don't feel like it's fully complete and integrated

787
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, I feel like we

788
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 4: can be seduced by what we see by the influencers

789
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: that we follow. I fall victims to the influencers that

790
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 4: I follow, and I'm like, is this person influencing me?

791
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

792
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: And you influenced me the other day. You posted some

793
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: honey and I ordered it right okay, and I've started

794
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: taking it every morning.

795
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: I'm not even joking.

796
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: It's honey, like Manuka, Honey's change my digestion in my life.

797
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: I ain't even paid by them. Don't like, give me

798
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 4: a sponsorship if you're watching this, because I don't want

799
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: to be paid like ninety dollars for this shit. But no,

800
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: I was just taking a moment to really I want

801
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 4: to answer this really honestly and transparently. And I think

802
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: people have to realize they have agency in their life.

803
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 4: Even if you are going through the most suffering, even

804
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: if you are struggling right now with everything going on

805
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: in life, you still have a choice.

806
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: And I think it's really important.

807
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: One of the biggest choices we make is who we follow,

808
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 4: you know, And I mean that in life in general,

809
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: whether it's God, whether it's our friends, whether it's people

810
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 4: we admire on social media. You have a choice, and

811
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: you have to be discerning, Like, you have to be discerning,

812
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: and you.

813
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: Have to really.

814
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: Critique everything that people are talking about, and you have

815
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 4: to really test it.

816
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: And I learned this from my teacher who shared with me.

817
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: It's kind of debated at the moment, but he the

818
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: way when he.

819
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: Presented to me, He's like, this was the final sermon

820
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: the buddh gave and he sat down his disciples, which

821
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: was around fifty two at the time, fifty two of

822
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: his best students, and he said, don't believe anything I'm paraphrasing.

823
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 4: You don't believe anything that I have said, anything that

824
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: I've taught you unless you test it, unless it resonates

825
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: with your own wisdom and intelligence. And that always struck

826
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 4: me if like, someone like the Buddha, who has been

827
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 4: quoted so many times over the years, is saying, don't

828
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 4: believe anything I'm saying, and I'm like, yeah, like, we

829
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 4: have to we have to critique things. We have to

830
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: reconcile within ourselves. We can't just accept this person because

831
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 4: they have a million followers and they have, you know,

832
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 4: good looks and beautiful eyes. We're like oh yeah, I

833
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: believe you, Like I'll do what you tell me, but like, no,

834
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: like that's how we fall into cults.

835
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: And we all are in various cults, whether it's you know.

836
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 4: What we're wearing or cults of you know, we're all

837
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: wrapped up into shit.

838
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: We're like no, like does this make sense? And this

839
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: sit with it? Sit with it.

840
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: The answer might not come immediately. And I had to

841
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 4: sit with with my teacher for a while. I'm like,

842
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: am I in a cult? And that was a big

843
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: that was a big thing for me. And I'm like,

844
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 4: am I wrapped up in this? Because he's a very charismatic,

845
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 4: very enigmatic, but you know, controversial for sure.

846
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: Like people were like, you know, you were you were

847
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: walking up.

848
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 4: With students and I was like whoa, Like this is

849
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: this is you know, intense for me, But it's your

850
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 4: own choice and you have to be able to trust yourself. Yeah,

851
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 4: And you have to be able to make a choice,

852
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 4: you know, because sometimes we can just be paralyzed.

853
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: We're like, oh, I don't know, I don't know, I

854
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: don't know.

855
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: But just and I'm going to sway just fucking do it,

856
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: and only in retrospect, well, you know, if it's the

857
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 4: right choice or not, but just do it, you know.

858
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 4: And that's what I'm learning is I'm a liberal and

859
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 4: I can be just so indecisive in my life, but

860
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 4: life really demands you to take control of it at

861
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: certain points. You know, Ultimately, we don't have much control

862
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 4: of life, you know, life is just something that happens.

863
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: But there are moments that we do have complete control over,

864
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: and that is choice. And so when you're presented with those,

865
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: use your intelligence, use your wisdom, use your love, use

866
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 4: your compassion, use your faith, and make the choice.

867
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: Everyone listening right now, I want you to take a

868
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: second and just take a deep breath. That was That's

869
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: really powerful, and I want you to let it as

870
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: you hear this and as you connect to his voice,

871
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: to really really see where that is landing with you.

872
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: Choice is, I believe, God's.

873
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Greatest gift to this planet, and it's how we're meant

874
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: to navigate the world. And sometimes we're only as good

875
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: as the choices that are in front of us, you know,

876
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: depending on your community, your environment, your experiences. But the

877
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: only answer is personal choice to all the questions.

878
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, wow, I think I think that you know,

879
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 4: like I came from a lot of suffering.

880
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: I wasn't born with.

881
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: A lot of access to things, and there were choices

882
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: I made when I was a teenager that could have

883
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: sent me down a very very different path. And by

884
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 4: the grace of God, by the grace of my parents,

885
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: I somehow found a way back. But that doesn't mean

886
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: every day I'm not presented with choices. Right Like we're

887
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: public figures right now, like we can go down the

888
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 4: dark side very quickly. You know, someone offers us a

889
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: bag to do to say some shit.

890
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm talking about this right.

891
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh shit, Like that would make my

892
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 4: life and my family's life really easy, And that is

893
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: a choice that you know, I don't begrudge people that

894
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 4: go down that road as well, by the way, you know,

895
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 4: secure your bag. I tell people, like, do things for

896
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 4: your wellbeing, But then you have to also live with

897
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 4: those consequences. You can't blame people for it. You can't

898
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 4: blame society with certain choices that you make. But there

899
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: are tough choices, and I'm sure you and I have

900
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: to face these choices at a level, and people listening

901
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 4: will have to face it at a different level.

902
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: But ultimately, there are choices that we have to make.

903
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 5: Ooh, talk that talks. As you're talking, I just want

904
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 5: to pay this thing. There's something really beautiful happening around us.

905
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 5: We're recording this episode in a studio in Hollywood, but

906
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 5: we're also in a very rare and strange LA storm

907
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 5: and the sound of the rain is pouring into the

908
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 5: room right now, and it's really special.

909
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: And I'm just kind of appreciating that as I'm hearing

910
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: you speak really profound truth in very expansive and digestible ways.

911
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

912
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: No, it's very healing in my tradition whenever you hear rain,

913
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: especially on retreats and things like that. But like, you know,

914
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 4: shout out to you, like whenever I'm with you, like

915
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: I feel like I have space to speak and you

916
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: somehow get the best of me.

917
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: So just do all of my podcasts from now a

918
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: lot time.

919
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: Let's go on a tour. I love that, you know.

920
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: So there's something happening in the industry right now, and

921
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily feel called directly to call it out,

922
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: but things are searchable and you'll find the things. But

923
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: there's someone who occupied a very large platform that has

924
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: been I guess in some ways the language that I

925
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: would use is called out for some of their business

926
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: practices in terms of having a spirituality business and having

927
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: a coaching business. And we've really kind of been overtaken

928
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: by this coaching culture and it hasn't really made sense

929
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: to me in a lot of ways. I know phenomenal

930
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: coaches and I myself have a lot of personal clients

931
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: in a lot of different worlds and spaces, but I've

932
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of models of people selling courses

933
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: about how to coach other people, or like coaches selling

934
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 1: courses about how to be two other coaches about how

935
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: to make more money, and it just it feels so

936
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: multi level marketing. And I just I've always kind of

937
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: the last few years because I believe in this work,

938
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: because I've believe in humanity, and I believe in doing

939
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: this work in servant leadership personally that does not have

940
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: to be everyone else's choice or path. Again, secure your bag,

941
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: whatever you need. But I have not seen enough people

942
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: position what they offer the world as being service with

943
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: a desire to really inform, uplift and give people an

944
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: education that is useful to other people, that is freeing

945
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: to other people. The way I keep seeing certain businesses positioned.

946
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: It's always along the lines of earn six figures, earn

947
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: seven figures. I make money by showing people how to

948
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: do this. And whenever I've looked at for my own curiosity,

949
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: the way things are structured, it's always like I don't

950
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: ever actually see anyone giving anyone meaningful advice on how

951
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: to be an integral, supportive, deemed coach or teacher. It's

952
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: always saying, double your prices, ask for more, triple your prices,

953
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: believe in yourself, don't have imposter syndrome. And it's like,

954
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: what are we talking about and what are we selling

955
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: and what are we actually doing? And it is harmful.

956
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: It is harmful, it is disingenuous, it is out of integrity.

957
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: It is hurtful to people who have experienced real trauma

958
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: and are in pain. And I find it to be

959
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: incredibly predatory, and I reject predatory practices within the spiritual

960
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: and wellness community.

961
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, Debby, just David some and y'all got you that

962
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: there rain't a real.

963
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 4: Rough, But no, I felt every word. I really felt

964
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 4: every word. And let me just take a moment to

965
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: like let it, let it wash over me. I think

966
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: we live in times that are really tough, you know.

967
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 4: I think that we are all looking to make our

968
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 4: lives easier and people are looking for healing and those

969
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: two things at a time where people are trying to

970
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 4: be hyper individualistic. Financial systems are crumbling and making it harder.

971
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 3: Life is not easy.

972
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 4: It's a confluence of things that are just blowing up.

973
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: And yeah, people are looking to make a bag. Absolutely, Like,

974
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 4: I don't think we can doubt the fact that wellness

975
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: is an industry. Yeah, and for rightly or wrongly, there

976
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 4: are don't I don't begrudge people making money. I think

977
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 4: that you know, you know, we've invested so much money

978
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: in studying and traveling and buying books and all that,

979
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: and yeah, I don't think people should feel bad about it.

980
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: My issue is with the fuck do you know? Like?

981
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: What do you know? Like?

982
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 4: If you if you if you know stuff like I'll

983
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: pay as much as I can, but teach me something

984
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 4: that I don't know, right and I'm if I'm going

985
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 4: to go in on this with you. My criticism is

986
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: that I have very rarely heard a coach say something

987
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: that you cannot google for free, you know, that's not

988
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 4: available on YouTube or a podcast or in books that

989
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 4: I've been written twenty thirty, forty fifty years ago. Much

990
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 4: of it these days is people regurgitating the same thing,

991
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 4: and yeah, having clever marketing schemes and all of that.

992
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 4: And look, if it helps someone, then I'm who am

993
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 4: I to really judge?

994
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: Right?

995
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 4: Cynical, bitter old man? Perhaps maybe that's what it is.

996
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: But I feel my life's work and I say this

997
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: actually every Friday morning in my meditation class, I offer

998
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 4: this to you for you to really criticize, for you

999
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 4: to really analyze if what I'm saying is of any

1000
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 4: value to you, and if it's not, just sit here

1001
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 4: and look at taking the vibes. You know, we have

1002
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 4: a beautiful oculus and like there's music like take that in.

1003
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: But people that are listening to this, you have to

1004
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: really be more critical with who you follow, like you

1005
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 4: really do, because it can take you down a worse place.

1006
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: And that's like what people don't talk about in the

1007
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: spiritual world, right, Like, if people can it can take

1008
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 4: you down a worse place than where you began. Because

1009
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 4: this is bypassing. This is exactly what we're talking about.

1010
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: You wanting to be a coach and wanting to help someone,

1011
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 4: first do the work and I and I have. My

1012
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 4: main criticism is like, and I'm sorry if this hits

1013
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 4: you in between your eyes, but you know, like a

1014
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: twenty two to twenty three year old life coach, I'm like, son,

1015
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 4: what are you going to tell me about life?

1016
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 3: Like you haven't even experienced life just yet, right, So

1017
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 3: go and learn about life.

1018
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 4: Go and really alchemize your pain, Go and overcome suffering.

1019
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: Go and help people for free, work in prisons, work

1020
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 4: in hospice care, you know, experience grief and like, then

1021
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 4: talk about it and don't yell it, don't jump on

1022
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: social media and pay for these ads and do all

1023
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: of that that she ain't gonna impress me. Like you know,

1024
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: my teacher, sonya Rimbaschet, my main teacher right now.

1025
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: He doesn't really post anything.

1026
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: His brother is posts a lot, but like he doesn't

1027
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 4: need to because people talk about him, you know, they

1028
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: talk about him.

1029
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: All over the world.

1030
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 4: And yeah, the same way we come across healers, right,

1031
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: the same way we come across heelers.

1032
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: It's not through googling them or even Instagram.

1033
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 4: It's I get like, you're the actually will never forget

1034
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 4: the what's her name? The medium that you told me

1035
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: about Kerry, Like you told me about that and I'm like, oh,

1036
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: this is amazing, and she was incredible, But I don't

1037
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 4: think she has an Instagram or any of that sort

1038
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: of stuff. So a long way of really answering that

1039
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 4: everyone listening just really be more more discerning with who

1040
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 4: you follow, really be more discerning. I don't feel the

1041
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 4: need to criticize them, to be honest, because I feel like,

1042
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, I believe the truth

1043
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 4: will always be found, and you can go to someone

1044
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 4: and you might have three, four years, five years with them,

1045
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: and if you're meant to be on this path, the

1046
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 4: truth will find you. The truth will not miss you

1047
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 4: if you keep digging, if you keep looking like this

1048
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 4: I know to be true beyond anything else in my life,

1049
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: is that if you are dedicated to finding the truth,

1050
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 4: to finding love, to finding God, like you will not

1051
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 4: miss you. And maybe you have to go through a

1052
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 4: couple of wrong doors in order to find your way there.

1053
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 4: But I believe that to be true in my life,

1054
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 4: and you know, people can I've gone to so many

1055
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 4: different yoga studios before I found the truth, but I

1056
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: had to go. I had to keep asking myself where

1057
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 4: am I going to find healing? Where am I going

1058
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: to find healing?

1059
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: And I would go and I'm like, maybe this is it,

1060
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: but there are lots of cute girls here. I'm like, Nope.

1061
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 4: Six months later, that's not it for me because that

1062
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: gets tiring and I'm like this is just kind of fluffy.

1063
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: And then I get another studio and it became about

1064
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 4: the body and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm getting abs.

1065
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: And this is great, but am I free?

1066
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: Like no, So there's this innate desire that keeps like

1067
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 4: yanking you. And you know my tradition that will say,

1068
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: first the voice whispers, then the voice yells, and eventually

1069
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 4: the voice takes something of you. And that taking something

1070
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: could be a nervous breakdown, It could be an anxiety attack,

1071
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 4: could be an injury when you have to be like

1072
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 4: the fuck have I been doing? Like like what have

1073
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 4: I been doing? I don't know if any of that

1074
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: makes sense, but like that was I'm speaking Like as

1075
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 4: I was saying it, I'm like, that's my teacher that's

1076
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 4: actually speaking through me. At the moment where you have

1077
00:59:54,240 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 4: to believe that what is meant for you won't miss you.

1078
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: Oh what a gift, What a gift, What a gift,

1079
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: What a gift? Gift, gift deeply.

1080
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: Well, something that I'm really gleaning from what you're saying,

1081
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: that I really believe in, and I really want to

1082
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: land with those listening because I have. There are so

1083
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: many amazing souls that listen to this show that are

1084
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: not just doing and committed to deeply doing their own work.

1085
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: I hear you and I see you.

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Speaker 1: But we also have so many teachers listening to us now,

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Speaker 1: real teachers, real people in service, from psychologists to therapists.

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Speaker 1: There are so many people that tell me they found

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Speaker 1: my show because their therapists recommended it to them, which

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Speaker 1: brings me immense gratitude and pride.

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Speaker 3: But and you deserve that too, by the way, you

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Speaker 3: deserve the.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you it. But I think you know,

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Speaker 1: and I feel really grateful that the community of this show,

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Speaker 1: the listenership, there's just so much integrity in this community,

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Speaker 1: and there's so much desire for wisdom, deep lived experience

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Speaker 1: that is ready to be alchemized as wisdom and every

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Speaker 1: person listening. But I think you know on this path

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Speaker 1: that we've been on, and you have shared really beautifully,

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Speaker 1: and you have been so beautifully present and your humility

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Speaker 1: of paying homage to those who have taught you. That

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Speaker 1: is a piece that is really missing right now, right

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Speaker 1: the pride in being a student. Yes, and I remember

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Speaker 1: when I first started studying and doing some of the

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Speaker 1: harder work on myself, because my God is at hard

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Speaker 1: my God. Have I wept for myself on my knees

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Speaker 1: over the years, and you know, grieved myself and others

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Speaker 1: over the years. But it felt so sacred to learn.

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Speaker 1: It felt so sacred to learn the work and to

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Speaker 1: learn it slowly and to kind of build devotion. Like

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Speaker 1: to me, the building of the devotion was one of

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Speaker 1: the things that taught me how to have worth in myself,

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Speaker 1: that taught me how to accept myself, to see the

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Speaker 1: world as beautiful. You know, it's that kind of slow

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Speaker 1: unfolding and I know we want to rush through it

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Speaker 1: because of how much it hurts, or because we're in

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Speaker 1: a circumstance where we do need to earn and we want.

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Speaker 2: To care for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: But that is a piece that doesn't get spoken to

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Speaker 1: with the level of depth and romance that I think

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Speaker 1: you've been sharing it with On this show. There is

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Speaker 1: so much divine beauty in being a student in apprenticeship,

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Speaker 1: in slow observation. I remember I was in this for

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Speaker 1: three years with two of my teachers, and we would

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Speaker 1: be in class for three days out of every month,

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Speaker 1: and they would be twelve hours each day. Could not

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Speaker 1: leave the room for nearly twelve hours every day, three

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Speaker 1: days in a row for three years.

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Speaker 3: And I remember the old school study that she.

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Speaker 2: Was immersed.

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Speaker 1: But and that you know, that's one of the programs

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Speaker 1: I've done to Ben. I'm I'm a brain. I love,

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Speaker 1: I love to study and learn. But I remember even

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Speaker 1: allowing myself to walk through the phases of rejecting my teachers,

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Speaker 1: loving my teachers, getting angry at my teachers, feeling grateful.

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Speaker 2: For my teachers. But it was the ability to slowly

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Speaker 2: observe the mastery. And both of these teachers were in

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Speaker 2: their early eighties when I was in class with them.

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Speaker 1: To this day, it will bring me to tears at

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Speaker 1: how much I realized I learned merely from watching their

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01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: body life language, you know, like noticing the tone of voice,

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01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: noticing the shifts, noticing them really see other people and

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Speaker 1: decide for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Will I give you what you want or what you need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and it's like that's what builds the

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Speaker 1: discipline and the compassion that is so necessary to embody

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01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: the work and then to share the work, and so

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Speaker 1: to let yourself take the time, you know, if you're

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: called to teach, you know, if you're called to share

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01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: this with the world, and the way that you're meant

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Speaker 1: to share.

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Speaker 4: It at a choice at that point, yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But it's like it's it's the beauty. Everyone wants it

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Speaker 1: to be fast and they want to be an expert.

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Speaker 1: And the second you know, I've noticed, for some for

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: a certain kind of demographic of people, the second you

1157
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: read a book about a modality, you now are convinced,

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01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: not that you need to go to the certification, not

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: that you need to study it, not that you need

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01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: to witness it, that now you're ready to teach it

1161
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: because you enjoyed it and the way it worked in you.

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Speaker 1: But this work is also not just about what it

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: does for you and your expertise of yourself. It's space

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Speaker 1: for others. It's space for humanity. And I just I

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Speaker 1: really have to say to you, I'm so grateful you exist.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the way you teach and the

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: way you share yourself, and the way you are able

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Speaker 1: to so eloquently impart these deep truths that are so

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Speaker 1: necessary for the people that are ready to receive them.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to take a moment and receive that. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I think it's so beautiful to actually be with someone

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Speaker 4: in presence of someone that is also being in the

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Speaker 4: presence of masters, and realize how fortunate we've been to

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01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: have experienced that, you know, and if you ever get

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01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 4: the chance, you know, for those of you that are

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Speaker 4: listening to be with a master, like someone that has

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Speaker 4: put in the work, like hours and hours and hours,

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: and that you don't even have to initially anyway question

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01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 4: like are they legit? You know, like and if they're

1181
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 4: from Instagram, I would probably you know, steer clear of them,

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01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 4: to be really honest with you, like being their presence.

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01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: Being their presence, then you know that so much of

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Speaker 4: what you learn from them is not what they say,

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Speaker 4: you know. And my teacher I witnessed like he taught

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01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 4: out of he had like a converted milk bar, like

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Speaker 4: a little corner store, and he turned it into a

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Speaker 4: yoga studio, which had twelve mats my first class. Everyone

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Speaker 4: was over the age of seventy five. And I saw

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Speaker 4: people that were coming in there that were suicidal, people

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Speaker 4: that came in there that had so much trauma and

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Speaker 4: pain and suffering, and he would just take them out

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Speaker 4: to coffee and in his like, come, come and invite

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Speaker 4: a few of us, and he would sit there and

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Speaker 4: he would listen to them, and he would look at

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Speaker 4: them in certain ways, and I was like, oh, wow, Like,

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Speaker 4: there's something that you can't teach that's here. You know,

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Speaker 4: there's there's This is compassion. It's not talking about compassion.

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Speaker 4: This is compassion. It's like giving his last few hundred,

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Speaker 4: you know, dollars to someone that needed it even though

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Speaker 4: he had no money.

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Speaker 3: And I was that forever. Has changed my life.

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Speaker 4: And the reason I'm so devoted to my teachers is

1204
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 4: because I know for sure I would be nothing without

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Speaker 4: them one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: It is through karma, through the.

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Speaker 4: Grace of God, that in this life that I had

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Speaker 4: the good fortune to be exposed to them, and nothing,

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Speaker 4: I honestly don't think anything is my think. Everything I've

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Speaker 4: learned is through them, and I have found my way

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Speaker 4: of disseminating their words, you know.

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Speaker 3: In my language.

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Speaker 4: But that protection, it's like this, we call it, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Guruz protection, the Gurus field. That protection I've always

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Speaker 4: been so grateful for because acknowledging my teacher has meant

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 4: that there's this force field around you where he's like,

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Speaker 4: whenever I talk about him, I feel his energy first

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Speaker 4: of all, and there's a graciousness and his humility to

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: know that his words came from his teacher, and his

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01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 4: words came from her teacher.

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Speaker 3: And there's this long lineage.

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Speaker 4: Of people that have critiqued and practiced and analyzed, and

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Speaker 4: they've also paid homage to their teachers, you know, and

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Speaker 4: so forth. And for me, that just cuts down this

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Speaker 4: burning desire to be individual, this ego that's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: you are someone. You are the co founder of.

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Speaker 3: This cool meditation studio.

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Speaker 4: You wear this and you know what, Like my teacher

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 4: warned me sixteen years ago, and I'm sorry this sounds

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 4: a little conceited, He's like, you're a good looking guy,

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Speaker 4: You've got a great voice.

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Speaker 3: You are going to have people like all over you.

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 4: I guarantee you the moment you take that to be

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01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 4: who you are, that will be the end. And that

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Speaker 4: struck the fear of God in me because early on,

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01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 4: like I was teaching and I had women like literally

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 4: after a class like and I my insecureself didn't.

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Speaker 3: Know what to do with myself.

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01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 4: I was like, oh shit, Like but I'd go home

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Speaker 4: and I talk to my teacher about it. I'm like, hey,

1241
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: like I think, and he's like, it's part of your practice,

1242
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 4: like witness it. Like witness it, witness it, witness it,

1243
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 4: but know that there is there is a gift that

1244
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 4: you have been given, but don't take advantage of that.

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Speaker 3: And I think, I thank.

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Speaker 4: Life and God that I've never dated a student and

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01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 4: I've never you know, fallen victim to that. And yes,

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Speaker 4: my ego sometimes gets really inflated with you know, certain

1249
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 4: things that I do. But then I come back to

1250
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 4: my practice. Every morning, I lad a candle for my teacher,

1251
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 4: I give I put water in front of his photo,

1252
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 4: and I'm like, it's not for me, it's not because

1253
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 4: of me, It's because of what I learned. And yeah,

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01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 4: I mean, if you haven't caught already, Like, my ego

1255
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 4: pops up at times and I have to actively work

1256
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 4: at it because society and culture loves to idolize you

1257
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 4: just enough to break you back down. Right, they'll they'll

1258
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 4: worship you one day and they'll cut you down the

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01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 4: next day. And the best way to not fall into

1260
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 4: that loop is to not worship yourself right, to be

1261
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 4: grateful for yourself, to be devoted to the students, and

1262
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 4: to be more importantly devoted to the practice. Because it's

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 4: that that's healing people. It's nothing I'm really saying that's

1264
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 4: original on new It's these words that are just coming

1265
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 4: from these vocal cords and somehow, if it's landing, it's

1266
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 4: meant to be at that person, it's meant to be

1267
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 4: at that time. But your hyperindividualism in society these days

1268
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 4: is a thing, and it seduces so many teachers, so

1269
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 4: many coaches because we think that, you know, we have

1270
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 4: to be someone in order to make a living or

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01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 4: to make change, and.

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Speaker 1: Then everything has to be a brand, right Yeah, yeah,

1273
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 1: how about let it.

1274
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: Be your gift.

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01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 4: Let it just be yeah, let it be something that

1276
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 4: you share that heals people, which is if you're really

1277
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 4: about this life, that should be it. Like you should

1278
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 4: be like you should be just sharing because it helps people.

1279
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 4: It shouldn't be behind a paywall, like just give that

1280
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 4: shit out and yeah, you know, I.

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Speaker 3: It's just a weird, crazy world that we live in.

1282
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm so grateful for people like you

1283
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: to actually call you a friend and know how much

1284
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 4: you care about these things, because I do feel like

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 4: the older I get, the more like those teachers are

1286
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 4: only at certain places, you know, like at certain communities,

1287
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 4: and we need people like you that have credibility and

1288
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 4: authority and that have a following to really hold true.

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Speaker 3: To these things.

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Speaker 4: That yeah, because I mean, this is what I've learned

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 4: living in LA And again, no more shade to LA

1292
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 4: after this, living in America, actually just living in America?

1293
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Speaker 3: Is it?

1294
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 4: The government doesn't isn't going to protect you? Right, the

1295
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 4: systems of health care isn't going to protect you. We

1296
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 4: have to look after ourselves. We have to look after

1297
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 4: each other like that much I know for true and

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 4: if we are relying on that, if it has to

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Speaker 4: be about this communal living, this communal way of existence,

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 4: then we need people actually testing people and being like

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01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 4: are you telling the truth?

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: Like am I doing this for money?

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01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 4: Because more and more people are going to look for

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01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 4: holistic healing the older we get and the more we

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01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 4: go in future, because health care is so expensive, and

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Speaker 4: if we then have like this holistic healing program that

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Speaker 4: we're creating that's behind this paywall that we've learned in

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01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 4: a weekend seminar, you know, two years ago, then people

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 4: are going to fall victim to that.

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Speaker 3: And that's sad.

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Speaker 4: And I pray and I hope that you know, we

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01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 4: all have the integrity within ourselves to know how much

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01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 4: power we have. And I think you and I know

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01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 4: as teachers, like what I say really matters because there

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Speaker 4: are thousands of people that listen to me every day

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Speaker 4: on the app. So I'll never say anything that I

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01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 4: don't believe in myself ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, And

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Speaker 4: I've said no to brand partnerships that have come at

1319
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 4: times where I really needed money because I just know

1320
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 4: that this is going to cause harm.

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Speaker 3: And if I doubt it, then it's a note for me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being this archetype, thank you for this embodiment.

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Speaker 1: This is so powerful, minage like it is just so powerful.

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Speaker 1: Deeply well, I want to share two quotes from my

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01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: teacher that I think could be useful for what we

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01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: have just been expressing. So one of them actually comes

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Speaker 1: from deeper and It's one of my favorite things that

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Speaker 1: he would say when we'd be at retreats and someone

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: would say, like we'd started getting some questions out there

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: the pandemic at retreats, or would be like, but how

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01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: do I make money? How do I make this my life?

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Speaker 1: And you know, he would just look and say, the

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Speaker 1: money will come from wherever it is at the moment.

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Speaker 2: And I remember the first time you said that, it

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01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: caught me solf guard. I was like what, and I.

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Speaker 1: Said, I said, Oh God, that's so powerful and true.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about it. Like everything, when

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Speaker 1: you lock into an alignment, when you were in your

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: personal integrity and really kind of standing openly in your

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01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: dharma and your purpose, the universe always conspires to uplift

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Speaker 1: your work, to uplift you and to meet your needs.

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Speaker 4: Pause, Can I just to illustrate you point? Can I

1343
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 4: share a story maybe someone can resonate with this. So

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 4: I had a career in marketing and advertising and I

1345
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 4: got really sick, like physically, very very sick, and I

1346
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 4: couldn't work because I had a really big panic attack

1347
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 4: one day at work. And there was about two years

1348
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Speaker 4: that I didn't work. My mother was looking after me.

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Speaker 4: And it was in that period that I found my

1350
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 4: teacher and I started practicing with him every day, and

1351
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 4: I was getting better. I was getting healed, and my

1352
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 4: mental health was coming back. My physical health had come back.

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 4: I was pretty much like an eating disorder and I

1354
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 4: had really bad panic attacks and things like that.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, after the two years, I got a job.

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Speaker 4: I was back at you know, working in this fancy

1357
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 4: financial institution in marketing and advertising. And then he asked

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 4: me to teach a class and he did it in

1359
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 4: a way that was not expected. I rocked up to

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 4: take his class and he said, I don't feel well today,

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Speaker 4: can you teach it?

1362
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, oh okay, like I'd never taught before.

1363
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Speaker 4: And so I went there and I just you know,

1364
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 4: took in all of what he said, and I started teaching.

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Speaker 4: And then he came and sat in the class and

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Speaker 4: he wasn't sick right, And I was like strange, Like

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Speaker 4: my teacher's coming and doing this. Anyway, I went back

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Speaker 4: to work, and then every now and again i'd teach

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Speaker 4: this one class, you know, whenever he was sick. And

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Speaker 4: then he said to me one day, eventually, life film,

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Speaker 4: you'll teach. And this was seventeen years ago where I

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01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 4: was like and I was like, I don't want to

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01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 4: be a meditation teacher, like you don't make money. And

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Speaker 4: it was like frowned upon, right, And I was in

1375
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 4: a circle of very cool people going to parties or

1376
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 4: that anyway, but there was this little flicker within me

1377
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 4: that's like I feel really happy every time I'm teaching,

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01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 4: Like I just feel like I'm in alignment to what

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01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 4: you said. I feel like like I don't have to

1380
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 4: struggle when I'm doing this one thing, which is teaching.

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Speaker 4: And so there was a moment where I was like,

1382
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Speaker 4: fuck it, I'm going to go all in. I'm just

1383
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 4: going to teach and mind you. I'm taking you back

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01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 4: like sixteen fifteen years now, and I had a daughter.

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Speaker 4: I have a daughter, Sill, but at the point at

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01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 4: that time she was very young. I had a six

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Speaker 4: figure salary, was making one hundred and fifty K. I

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01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 4: was in my late twenties, and I'm like, oh, I

1389
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 4: just feel like this is it. It just feels so true.

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Speaker 4: So I quit my job and I started teaching at

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Speaker 4: any studio that would take me.

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Speaker 3: And for the first year, I made.

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Speaker 4: Thirty five thousand dollars, like you couldn't even barely exist

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Speaker 4: on that. And I kept on borrowing money from my

1395
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 4: mom and dad, obviously, but not much because they didn't

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Speaker 4: have much either.

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Speaker 3: But every time I did it, I was just so happy.

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Speaker 4: And since that year, I've never like, I've never felt

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 4: like I could live off you know, nothing again, but

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01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 4: like I never wanted anything. I never wanted fancy clothes

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 4: and dinners or anything. I was so happy the second year,

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01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 4: this the biggest studio in Australia, is like, we want

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01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: you to teach for us, and we're going to give

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01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 4: you a full time job, and we're going to make

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01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 4: you this fancy title of performance coach. And from that

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 4: moment on, every decision I made which was in alignment

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01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 4: with what I was feeling at the time, and my

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01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 4: intuition took me down the path that I'm on now.

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01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 4: The money came to your point, like the money came,

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01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 4: like the job came, the courier came.

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01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 3: But I was just in alignment.

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01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 4: I was doing what I knew to be true, what

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01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 4: I knew to be of benefit to the world, and

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking about how much money I was going

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01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 4: to make. I was like this just feels good, Like

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01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 4: this just feels right. And I think to your point,

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01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 4: if you put the money thing out of which is

1418
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 4: really paradoxical because we need money and I'm not saying

1419
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 4: just forget money and do it, but if you genuinely

1420
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 4: approach your life through the perspective of I am going

1421
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 4: to be of benefit to others, there is something and

1422
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 4: you might have better language for it. There is something

1423
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 4: that conspires to make sure that you are taken care of.

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 4: And it might not look the way that it looks now.

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01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 4: And I went through fifteen years of not making any

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 4: money to eventually feeling like, oh I've got something. And

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01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 4: it's a long road, but like I promise you, if

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01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 4: you follow your heart and you be of benefit to

1429
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 4: the world, then something happens something I don't know, maybe

1430
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 4: DEBI has the words for a bit, there's something that happens.

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01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a mic drop, like that is just it,

1432
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: and your personal testimony of it is just.

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01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: So.

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01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: I think so much of people's those leading desires for

1435
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: this quote unquote like abundance culture is like it's the

1436
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 1: zeitgeist of this time, right, Like yes, there are kind

1437
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 1: of we're in this millionaire culture right now, this multi

1438
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: millionaire culture, and everything keeps being shaped around it, and

1439
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: it's about.

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01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 4: Because it's so accessible. Yeah, it's never been this accessible

1441
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 4: in a lifetime. Like could you imagine being a multimillion

1442
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 4: dollar meditation teacher? Yeah, like that blows my mind in

1443
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 4: the history of life, that has a never happened. But

1444
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 4: also going from zero to one hundred has never been

1445
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 4: as easy without like a social media brand, partnerships, talent managers, TikTok.

1446
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 4: So it's to your point, it is, it's it's speaking

1447
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 4: to our times, but.

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01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: It's you know, and this is kind of my my

1449
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: thing with internet culture. I believe that we have been

1450
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: investing so much in perception these last ten years, and

1451
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: so much in these quote unquote soft skills, right, Like

1452
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: we've been bouncing through all of these different kind of

1453
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 1: ideologies of what makes something worse, what makes someone worthy

1454
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 1: in life or makes their work worthy, And so it's

1455
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 1: like we just got out of the like, you know,

1456
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: the founder culture where everyone was I'm a founder, I'm

1457
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: a founder of this.

1458
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what is it? Right?

1459
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: And it's like anything that if you bought a URL

1460
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: that you didn't even do anything with there was this

1461
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: expectation of celebration because you announced it, or expectation of

1462
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 1: celebration and kind of what to me feels like false

1463
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: valor for giving yourself the title and kind of faking

1464
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: it till you make it, but not leaning into the

1465
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: work and the work of whatever it is that we

1466
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: do is important because the work of our life is

1467
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,759
Speaker 1: important and something that actually another one of my teachers,

1468
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: one of my coaches, actually Vish he shares. He said

1469
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: to me once like, Debbie, it's your life's work. It's

1470
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: going to take your whole life.

1471
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:34,879
Speaker 3: Boss.

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01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 1: Him saying that to me so radically changed me and

1473
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: the way because for me, I put a lot of

1474
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: pressure on myself of having ideas or having a way

1475
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: that I know I want to serve and then feeling

1476
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: like it has like I have to make I have

1477
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: to get all the pieces now and I have to

1478
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: give it now, and you know, and he was like,

1479
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: and even when I think of the work on myself,

1480
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm never not working on myself. He's just like, all

1481
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 1: of it is the work of your life. It's supposed

1482
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: to take your whole life. And it's really only now

1483
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: in this moment that we want everything to be so immediate,

1484
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 1: and we want to be able to claim expertise about

1485
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 1: anything immediately or claim completion about anything immediately, and I

1486
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: think it's really long term going to cause quite a

1487
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: bit of suffering. We have a lot of soft skills

1488
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: present which we needed to exist in our workplaces. We

1489
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: needed to have better more empathy, more communication, more compassion,

1490
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: better understanding of self. But I feel like we've been

1491
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: leaning so hard on the soft skills the last ten

1492
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: years that people actually don't have hard skills. You have

1493
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: to actually do the work you say you do. You

1494
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 1: actually have to know how to do the work that

1495
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: you say that you do, and it's honorable. It's honorable

1496
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: to know how to do your work.

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Speaker 3: And that was the second Simon de drop you off.

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01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 4: No, I mean when you say those things, I feel

1499
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 4: it because it's true, Like it's it's really true. But

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01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 4: I was going to say one of the reasons I

1501
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 4: kind of really loved teaching in New York because that

1502
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 4: feels like home to me for many reasons. But one

1503
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 4: of the reasons I love teaching in New York is

1504
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 4: that people will interrupt you mid conversation and they're like,

1505
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 4: how can you explain that to me.

1506
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that.

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01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 4: Level of cynicism, that level of critique really makes you

1508
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 4: a good teacher. So I have a lot of respect

1509
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 4: for like teachers that have been teaching for a long

1510
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 4: time in New York City.

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01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 3: But I always think of you know, if you're.

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Speaker 4: A coach, if you're a meditation teacher, breath work, yog

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01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 4: or whatever, you have to be able to a embody

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01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 4: what you're teaching, and you have to be able to

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 4: be up there and answer questions and justify why you're

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01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 4: saying what you're saying, like you're.

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01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 3: Telling me to let go, like why, like explain to me.

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01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 4: Then explain to me how, because otherwise it's just a

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01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 4: superfluous word like just let go right, Like, no, explain

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01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,879
Speaker 4: it to me, because I want to learn.

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01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 3: I just don't want to feel good.

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01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear this nice sounding word in

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01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 4: your beautifully articulated voice.

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01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: I want the tools to take with me and embody.

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01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 4: And so this integrity which you are speaking of is

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01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 4: going to be so valuable because never in the history

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01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 4: of wellness has there been so many teacher trainings. So

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01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 4: I refuse to do one I've been asked for like

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01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 4: fifteen years. What are you going to I refuse to

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01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 4: do one because I don't know enough yet to be honest,

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01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 4: Like I don't know nowhere near enough to give a training.

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01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: But what the work you're doing here?

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01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: We just sit of that for a second, that you,

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01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: with your pedigree, with your extensive, extensive, extensive amount of

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01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: learning and devotion to yourself and your practice, are saying.

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01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 2: No to that.

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 3: It's bad business move, but it's honestly, I.

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01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: Know money will come from wherever it's.

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 4: At exactly, but I know it in my heart. I

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01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 4: know I don't know enough and I'm still learning and

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01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 4: I'm working on it. But I genuinely feel with the

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01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 4: influx of all these trainings and certifications and things like

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 4: that are happening, like we're going to be so overwhelmed

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01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 4: that a period of time it's going to be like

1545
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 4: fuck all of this, like forget all of this, Like

1546
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 4: there's too many fake things. And I see it now,

1547
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 4: like people don't know who to go for because everyone

1548
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 4: is a wellness coach, everyone is an influencer, are doing

1549
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 4: that and that, and there are new things with psychedelics happening,

1550
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 4: and then it's going to be so overwhelming. So the

1551
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 4: work that you're doing right now, people are going to

1552
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 4: look back and be like, oh wow, this person's study

1553
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 4: for fifteen years. They can like they know this particular

1554
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 4: text or this practice, and they're articulating in a way

1555
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 4: that feels so true. Like people aren't going to forget

1556
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 4: that because I guarantee you in five years we're going

1557
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 4: to have so many coaches that it's going to be

1558
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 4: so overwhelming for people, and the ones that have studied

1559
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 4: will rise to the top. The truth, like I said before,

1560
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 4: will be found and everything else people will be able

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01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 4: to see through that, but the truth will be able

1562
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 4: to be found. So my advice to you, if you're

1563
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,679
Speaker 4: listening and you're a coach, be the truth.

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01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: Be the truth. God, that's good.

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01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: This might have been my longest recorded show I've ever done.

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01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: Shout out to Denisha and thank you so much for

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01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 1: the grace. I we end every show offering a little

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01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: bit of soul work to the community, and that can

1569
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 1: be an inquiry, that can be a practice, that can

1570
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 1: just be a thought, but something that can be savored

1571
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: past this episode to kind of sit with for the week.

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01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: So I'd like to ask if you have anything in

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: this moment that you can share.

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01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so simple. After this conversation. What is the

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01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 4: work that you're avoiding doing?

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01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 3: Wow?

1577
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 4: Yes, just do it. What is the work you're voting doing? Yeah,

1578
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 4: and thank you for prompting this whole conversation before we

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01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 4: even started.

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01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: Chatting my friend. What an honor, what a privilege to

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01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: have you on this show. Thank you so much for

1582
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 1: saying yes. And thank you. You are a masterful, masterful, masterful,

1583
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: master teacher. And thank you for the work you've done

1584
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: to cultivate that within yourself so that you can serve

1585
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: and lead with it.

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01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here.

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01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and thank you my dear friend.

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01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1589
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 1: Please download the app and study with Minage in person.

1590
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: Open Open, open the open app, and open studios in venice.

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01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: Until next time.

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01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I can't leave the show without saying this.

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01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,439
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Speaker 1: April twenty seven. I'll be doing a live show from

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