1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media that. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: Wait, no, welcome to cool People who did cool stuff. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 3: The podcast where Margaret turns into a bat. 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: That's right, and then I had to unturn into a 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: bat just to bring you this here introduction about the podcast. 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest today is 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: the same guest as last week because it's a continuation 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: of last week, and that means my guest is Miriam. Hi. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: How was your week so far? 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: So good? Haven't heard any extensive histories of genocide in 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: at least a couple of days, So here I am. 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: This one's far more a history of resistance to genocide. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: Oh thank god, Hell yeah, here for it. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: We got through. It's not going to be without bad stuff, 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: but there's a lot of I think this is one 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: of the most important stories that I've told on the show. 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: I wanted to like really get get going with the 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: show before I talked about some of these things, and 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to talking about this one for 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: a long time, and I think this one is really good. Well, 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: lots of bad stuff happens, but it's really important, really interesting. 22 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: There's lots of cool people, they do really cool stuff. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm really excited to hear about it. 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Our producer is Sophie Hi, Sophie. 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: Hi, Margaret Hi, Miriam Hi Sophie. 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: Our audio engineer is Ian and must say Hi Ian, Hi, 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Ian Hi Ian. Our music was made for us by Unwoman. 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: I went to Unwoman and said, give me something that 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: sounds sort of ironic compared to what we'll be talking about, 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: and Unwoman was like, here you go, and now we 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: have a theme song. So this is part three of 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: a four parter about Lakota resistance to the American Empire. 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: And one of the main reason, the main reason that 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: we want to talk about it is that I want 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: to talk about a political prisoner who's still in prison 36 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: named Lenard Peltier, and I felt like this amount of 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: context is necessary and useful when talking about his case. 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: So here we're going to do it. The roots of 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: the American Indian Movement or AIM started in ways that 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: I'll be familiar to regular listeners of the podcast, which 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: is to say it started when some folks were like, 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: how come we never learn about our own history? And 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: much like many resistance movements, it started in jail. The 44 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 2: organization itself didn't start in jail, but a lot of 45 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: its founders met and kind of toppled the first domino 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: that led to the American Indian Movement in jail in 47 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, in Stillwater State Prison in Minnesota, two 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: ajibwemn Clyde Bellicourt and Eddie Benton BENII got together and 49 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: started what they called the first real Indian studies program 50 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: in the country. They organized forty six Indigenous prisoners in 51 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: that jail, and Miriam, you will be shocked to know 52 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: that the Indigenous people were and are vastly disproportionately represented 53 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: in the criminal justice system in the US, because. 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: I used up all my being shocked a while ago. 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: This group that they started was called the American Indian 56 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 2: Folklore Group, and Clyde Bellicourt had a kind of typical 57 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: or maybe even almost archetypical upbringing as a young Ajiboy 58 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: boy at the time he was born on the res 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: was forced into a Catholic school when then his family 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: fell victim to yet another kill the Indian save the 61 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: Man style thing, the Indian Relocation Act of nineteen fifty six, 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: which forced a ton of folks off of reservations and 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: into cities and terminated their tribal status as part of 64 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: the larger You know, there was a policy that lasted 65 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: for decades in the twentieth century called the Indian Termination Policy. 66 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: It's a nice and upfront for a policy. 67 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about as evil as it sounds. This was 68 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: a decades long policy of forced assimilation and ending travel 69 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: sovereignty what little you know was remaining or whatever. Right. 70 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: I also, I like how right wing Americans are always like, uh, cities, 71 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: that's where the bad progressives live. Real Americans live out 72 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: in the country, you know, unless you're dealing with indigenous people, 73 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: in which case all of a sudden they're like, you know, 74 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: where you need to go to be a real American 75 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: to assimilate properly is those cities we hate so much. 76 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: As long as you can fuck people over, really. 77 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: And as long as you can ranch on their fucking land, 78 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: as long as you can do resource extraction on their 79 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: fucking land, as long as white people get to do it, 80 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: that's going to be a huge part of all of 81 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: this stuff that's coming up. And also, the Indian Termination 82 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: Policy is sort of the big bad evil that we're 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: talking about this week, the thing that people are fighting 84 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: back against and actually successful in terms of the cultural 85 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: thing that was the Indian Termination Policy, and that said, 86 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: Indigenous people in North America have resisted genocide after genocide 87 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: and are still here and fuck yeah, fuck yeah they're 88 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: still here. 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: Fuck yeah. 90 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: So young Clyde, he's poor, miseducated, systemic, systemically oppressed. This 91 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: didn't help him with job prospects, and pretty soon he's 92 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: in prison for burglary and robbery. Another member of this 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: first group in jail was a man named Dennis Banks, 94 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: who's a little bit more remembered as a name leader. 95 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Later. 96 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: He had been sent to a residential school and stripped 97 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: of his language at five years old. This is one 98 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: of the infamous Indian boarding schools, which from which he 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: regularly ran away. He would just like get the fuck 100 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: out of there and go home, right, and then they 101 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: would come and get him again. When he was seventeen, 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: he joined the Air Force and he went to Japan 103 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: and he was like on the bases there when he 104 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: was ordered to shoot, shoot to kill Japanese protesters because 105 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: there was this whole protest movement happening where locals and 106 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 2: leftists in Japan were mad as hell that the air 107 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: force base was expanding and displacing local villagers and shit, right, 108 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: because it's always the same fucking thing. It's always land grabs. Well, shit, 109 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: I'm just like learning about new atrocities. Did US Air 110 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: Force people shoot to kill Japanese protesters during these events? 111 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: A ton were injured? 112 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: I not. 113 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: In my research of that, I did not find them 114 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: actually killing people. But and so this is kind of 115 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: a thing. 116 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: I like, like, go a day without discovering like another 117 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: like historic murder by recent historic murder by the US 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: government like that. 119 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: That would be cool. That will be about a thousand 120 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: years in the future where we only have the cliff 121 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: notes of what's left of America. 122 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Have it. 123 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 2: We're not running out of atrocities yet. Yeah, And basically, 124 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: there was this huge non violence civil disobedience campaign that 125 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: actually won. A thousand people were injured non violently resisting 126 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: and this led to the US dropping its number of 127 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: troops in Japan by forty percent, and I believe stopped 128 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: that particular air force expansion, air Force base expansion. We're 129 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: like very much still there though. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's 130 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: it's a dropped thing. It's yeah, it's the starting of 131 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: the scaling back. Yeah. So Dennis Banks is like, fuck 132 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: that shit fuck being told to go do this, and 133 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: the courage of Japanese peasants against US imperialism was a 134 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: major influence on him later too, So he went a wall. 135 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: He was dishonorably discharged back in the States, and he 136 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: gets caught for burglary. And it's actually it's mostly his 137 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: statement that we have about that they were told to 138 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: shoot to kill. I have no reason to disbelieve this, 139 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: but there isn't a there isn't evidence that that specifically 140 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: happened in a large number or anything like that. But 141 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: I'm I'm certain he got told to do that. So 142 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 2: all these folklore folks, they've started this Indian studies group 143 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: in jail, They get out of jail and they keep organizing. 144 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: Bellicourt and some others tried starting like a classic civil 145 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: rights campaign because it's the mid sixties and it's like 146 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: the thing to do, right, and they were focused on 147 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: the rights of indigenous people who had been displaced into 148 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: the cities. This didn't really work, according to Bellacourt. He 149 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: said later quote, I tried to work within the system 150 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 2: for four years, demanding a fair share of it for 151 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: my people, but all the money was controlled by the 152 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: churches and bureaucracies, and they weren't interested in any programs 153 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: that might have led towards real economic independence for the Indians. Meanwhile, 154 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty eight, a bunch of folks sat down 155 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: and they formed the CIA. The Concerned Indian Americans. Yay, 156 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: what you got me? 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: You faked me out? 158 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I went, I went for it. Yeah. 159 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: No. 160 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: One of their elders, a woman, was like, how about 161 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: we call it the American Indian Movement instead? 162 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: Okay, but sorry. Fun fact, the Culinary Institute of America, 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: which is a like cooking school, a cooking school that 164 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: I have driven by like many times. It's a slightly 165 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: upstate New York, has existed for longer than the actual 166 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: like CIA. 167 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: And so they're like, fuck that, this is our name. 168 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: I think it would be so cool if they sued 169 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: the CIA, if just like a bunch of cooking nerds 170 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: were like, excuse me, we are the Culinary Institute of America. 171 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: Do you know how to make a goddamn soufle. 172 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: No, you don't see on it. You are disparaging our 173 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: good name exactly. 174 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 3: I don't know shit about the Culinary Institute of America. 175 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: Maybe they suck. I don't know they turned any like 176 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: any democratically elected governments though. 177 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: Well see I was thinking that's probably what they actually 178 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: did do. And the CIA that we all talk about 179 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: is actually pretty much just been twiddling their thumbs. 180 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 3: So they want you to think. 181 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty eight, AIM was formed and the lesson 182 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: here has listened to your elders, and this group wasn't 183 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: the rebirth of Indigenous resistance to the American Empire as 184 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: far as I can tell, that has been going on 185 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: every year since fourteen ninety two. 186 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 3: Right, it can't be a rebirth if it never died. 187 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly like it ebbs and flows, absolutely, and there 188 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: is a new energy that AIM and the Red Power 189 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: movement that we're going to talk about kind of brought 190 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: into it. AIM originally was focused on the urban indigenous population, 191 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: but it was inspired by the work of some other 192 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: folks that I hope I'll be covering at some point also, 193 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: such as the Pulleyupni Squally fishing rights battles and Oregon 194 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: and Washington that were happening. There are these huge like 195 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: fish ins right where people were like, you can't take 196 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: away our salmon fishing rights just because you put up 197 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking dams that are killing the salmon. 198 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: Like that's a you problem. Get rid of your fucking dams. 199 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: We were here first anyway, not that I'm bitter about. 200 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 2: I spent a while on the Pacific Northwest as a environmentalists, 201 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: and so I'm very aware of that fight. AIM was 202 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: also influenced by land protests by the Hodnashone in the 203 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: northeast and the growing Red Power movement that was picking 204 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: up on the on the West coast, inspired by. 205 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: The Black. 206 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: And they started. Aims started doing work very similar to 207 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: what panthers were doing. They set up street patrols to 208 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: protect people from cops into film arrests. And it's I 209 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: want to know how they were filming arrests because this 210 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: is nineteen sixty eight. The portable Lincoln, Like the size 211 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: of the cameras, Yeah, Like are they shooting on fucking 212 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: sixteen millimeter film that they're hand cranking in a bulex 213 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: because the portable video recorder was only invented one year 214 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: earlier in nineteen sixty seven. And so they would go 215 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: and they would film are and they would inform people 216 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: of their rights and told them that they could stay silent, 217 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: and of course the police were like, well, that's perfectly legal. 218 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: We're going to totally let you get away with doing. 219 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: That, or yeah, that's what cops do. 220 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: Bellicourt was beaten by cops at least thirty times for 221 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: jesustrol work. 222 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so many times. 223 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: Holy couldn't fucking stop him? 224 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: Good, Oh my god, I love him. 225 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. The Indian termination policy was starting to go away 226 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: by the end of the sixties. We're just starting to 227 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: see a downturn. So some nonprofits and churches and government 228 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: agencies were actually supportive of AIM in the beginning in 229 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy they set up survival schools. This is survival 230 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: schools like the Black Panther survival programs like the Survival 231 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: of the People, not like throw you in the forest 232 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: with a knife. And these were alternatives for young indigenous offenders. 233 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: Instead of going to reform school, you would be sent 234 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: to an AIM survival school. And this was approved of 235 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: by the judiciary of most of talking about the Midwest 236 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: at the time point. And so they taught kids how 237 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 2: to handle white society without forgetting who they were and 238 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: where they came from and all that shit, and it 239 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: was like, so it's like survival almost, Like it's a 240 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: like how to survive the white man's world without like assimilating. 241 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: You know, Wow, I can't believe they got that approved. 242 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: That they were like yeah, allowed to do that. 243 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: For a little while. We'll talk about why the government 244 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: was like wait, we changed our mind. 245 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: I mean, the judiciary is sort of amazingly has kind 246 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: of an amazing history of lack of oversight about like 247 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: what programs they will approve, sending true to so like 248 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: true and that they do approve programs that are basically 249 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: like yeah, you can like take children and like throw 250 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: them into a torture camp in the woods. I would 251 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: fucking hope they would also be like, yes, you can 252 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: teach children about resistance and identity and white supremacy. 253 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like they they managed to leverage a 254 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: weird kind of shitty loophole that was going on in 255 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: the legal system. 256 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 3: Got to get something good through that loophole for once. 257 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. As as we like established. 258 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: In the previous episodes, I am not a lawyer. 259 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 2: I am it's dad, right, Yes, absolutely, but getting. 260 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: Good things through shitty loopholes is exactly what we should 261 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: do with the law. 262 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and there's gonna be you will be 263 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: shocked to know that indigenous resistors have had some really 264 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: cool lawyers and we're going to talk a little bit 265 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: about some of the stuff that they did later. 266 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: Awesome. 267 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then at the end there's going to be 268 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: a big reveal as to why you're big reveal. Now 269 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: you already know the reveals. It's for the audience. Yeah, 270 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: but everyone else has to wait because that's at the end, 271 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: all right, But don't skip to the end. No, yeah, 272 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: don't do that, you would. 273 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: Be I mean, it's not that good a reveal. 274 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: No, better stuff is coming along the way. Yeah, much better. 275 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: They're going to take over so much shit, just so much. 276 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: Shit, amazing, Like, can't wait. 277 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: They are absolutely the reigning champs of taking over shit 278 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: in a good way. Anyway. While they're willing to work 279 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: with the system here and there, they are not quiet liberals. 280 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: They open carry it protests and soon enough they adopted 281 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: a symbol. They picked a flag. The flag they picked 282 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: was the American flag upside down, And Dennis Banks says 283 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: about that quote, some ex Navy guy suggested it. White 284 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: people protested, of course, and a lot of our Indian 285 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: people protested too. A lot of the guys had been there, 286 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: had been in the military, and in some way they 287 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: were still Americans, and it made them uneasy to see 288 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: the flag flown upside down. We had to explain that 289 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: this was the international distress signal for people in trouble, 290 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: and no one could deny that Indians were in bad 291 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: trouble and needed help. So that's the American Indian movements 292 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: getting its start. But then some other shit starts happening 293 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: over in the bay, the the West Coast Bay, the 294 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay, specifically, a different group of people had 295 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: something else going on that's important to the story, which 296 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: is to say, there's more cool people doing cool things. There's 297 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: an island in San Francisco Bay. It's called Alcatraz. You 298 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: ever heard of Alcatraz? 299 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: Heard of that one? 300 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a prison for a while, perhaps most famously, 301 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: but I sure don't mind that. What's going to happen 302 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: next is just about as famous, or should be. The 303 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: prison closed in nineteen sixty three. Some Indigenous folks got 304 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: together and were like, you know, I've been reading through 305 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: this treaty that's still technically on the books, the eighteen 306 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 2: sixty eight Fort Laramie Treaty that Margaret spent last week 307 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: talking about, and this is salvage land and we should 308 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: be able to buy it for forty seven cents an acre. 309 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: So a bunch of generous offer. Honestly, I know, I 310 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: think they even actually adjusted it to like to inflation, 311 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: and it was like, you know, still like we'll give 312 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: you a thousand bucks for the island or whatever. You know, 313 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: fucking nonsense. So in nineteen sixty four, a bunch of 314 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 2: street theater activists folks tried to do just that, and 315 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: they went out there and tried to claim it. And 316 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: there are these. 317 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: Indigenous street theater activists folks, okay, yeah, and then they 318 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: fled when they were threatened with felonies. 319 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: Five years later, the San Francisco Indian Center burned down 320 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: on October tenth. Fleeing when you're about to be subject 321 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: to felonies is a great strategy. Oh yeah, doing actions. 322 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: A lot of people feel like, I think you got 323 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: to get arrested for an action account It fucking rules 324 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: when you go right up to the point where they're 325 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: about to arrescue and then you're like, haha, bye. Yeah, totally. 326 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 2: Another thing that you should flee from is not taking 327 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: advantage of the sweet sweet deals offered by whoever chose 328 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: to give this podcast network money. Here's the mats and 329 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: we're beca So five years later, the San Francisco Indian 330 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: Center burns down October tenth, nineteen sixty nine. And this 331 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: was a place that helped hook people up with jobs 332 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: and healthcare and legal aid and all that shit. So 333 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: people were like, Oh, we need a new one, don't we. 334 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: And there's that there's that island over there isn't there. 335 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: So some student activists with the Native American Student Organization 336 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: were like, fuck it, let's go. They got a three 337 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: masted yacht. This isn't why I had you on, but 338 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: there is a tall ship in this story. I do 339 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: love a mast. Yeah yeah, and there's three on here. Yeah, fantastic. 340 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 2: It's called the Monte Cristo and they bank it out, 341 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: very fucking cool name. 342 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 343 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: They basically pay the captain, and the captain's not going 344 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: to land on Alcatraz. They're just like, we'll pay you 345 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: to go buy it. So he goes by it and 346 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: four folks, including people representing the Cherokee, the Inuit and 347 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: the ho Chunk Nation jump overboard, swim out and claim 348 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: the right claimed the island by right of discovery. 349 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: The coast has been well established, I know in American history. 350 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 3: You're allowed. 351 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. The coast Guard dragged them off, so. 352 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: They were. 353 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: They gave up, and nothing never happened. No, fourteen people 354 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: hired a fishing boat and then they went out to 355 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: the island. The coast guard got them again this time 356 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: I think because someone in the movement made a deal 357 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck where they were like, oh, we're 358 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: going to negotiate or whatever, you know. Then November twentieth, 359 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, eighty nine Indigenous people and not just 360 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: students this time, but also some families and some other 361 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 2: folks were in school. They set out. The coast Guard 362 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 2: blocked some of them, but they couldn't get all of them. 363 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: Fourteen people got passed and started an occupation of the island. 364 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, third times the charm. The occupation lasted nineteen 365 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: months and peaked at four hundred people. 366 00:19:59,280 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: There was. 367 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know it was that big. That's so cool. 368 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: It's really fucking cool. That's like a town that is 369 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: a small town. Well, they had daycare and healthcare set 370 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: up awesome, and the Coast Guard blockaded it, but allies 371 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: of all sorts snug past them in canoes to bring 372 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 2: food to the occupiers. 373 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, and. 374 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: They're Their demand was an American Indian Cultural Center on Thanksgiving, 375 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: an almost an almost absurdly reasonable demand. 376 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: I know. 377 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: I think that one of the things I keep running 378 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: across on the show is people who are like actually 379 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: revolutionaries and down to take things really far often come 380 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: in up with like they're like, look, just like, make 381 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: it so we don't have to sleep in bunk beds 382 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: and we can go to the doctor. And people are 383 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: like no, and they're like, all right, fine, revolution what 384 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 2: do you want? 385 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing, right, If the people you're 386 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: up against are going to deny you, like the fucking basics, 387 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 3: then it sort of seems like you have no choice 388 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: but to be like, fuck it, we're not dealing with 389 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: you anymore. 390 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then almost everything that people successfully win is 391 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: when they uh, you know, shoot for the stars and 392 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: get the moon or whatever. You know, whereas you shoot 393 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: for the moon, you don't get anything. There's a cliche 394 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 2: in here that I'm not fully first in so on 395 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day, hundreds of supporters show up for the day 396 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 2: to celebrate a future AIM member, John Trudell starts a 397 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: pirate radio station called Radio Free Alcatraz. The the actors 398 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: Jane Fonda and Marlon Brando visit. Of course they're gonna 399 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: visit all this. 400 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: They're going to put in an appearance. Yeah. 401 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: I actually I think that they do more than an appearance. 402 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: I think they're not like anyway, well, we'll talk about it. 403 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: No, I think they're I think that I think that 404 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: in that in that era, there were them and a 405 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: couple other actors were actually like do materially supporting. Yeah, 406 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: that's why the FBI had Gene Sieberg because she was 407 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 3: buying guns for the Black Panthers. 408 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, no, I didn't know about this. No future episode, Okay. 409 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: Creden's Clearwater Revival bought and donated a boat. Unexpected cameo. 410 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: So the main transportation by the end was the boat 411 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: the clearwater. 412 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 3: Oh, like the boat the Clearwater, like Pete Seeger's boat. 413 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: I will take your word for it. I'm now out 414 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 2: of my element. I'm not a boat knower. 415 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: There is a tall ship called a schooner called the 416 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: Clearwater that was started by I don't know if like 417 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: it was initially bought or set up, but Pete Seeger 418 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 3: was like involved in the beginning and operating of this boat. 419 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 3: It still sails the Hudson. It does education programs and 420 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: like science programs and music programs. It has more banjo's 421 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 3: per capita on that boat than any other tall ship 422 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: I've ever been on, and like, you usually find a 423 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: banjo or two on tall ships, and it's the only 424 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: tall ship I've ever been on where they brew kombucha 425 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: in the engine room because they're a bunch of fucking hippies. 426 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: It's great. Is the banjo thing why everyone moved away 427 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 2: from tall ships? Eh, it's fun to make fun of banjo's. 428 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 2: As an accordionist, I gotta take I gotta get my 429 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: shots in when I can. 430 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 3: You know, it can't be the same clear water though, 431 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: because we're talking west coast, east coast, and it is 432 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 3: difficult to get out. 433 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: There's no way to get from one boat from one 434 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: side of the other. No, I have no idea. 435 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: It's a pain in the ass. You can do it. 436 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think this was a tall shop either. 437 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: I think this was like a oh, a boat with 438 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 2: a motor. But I don't know. 439 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: You just accidentally made room for me to talk about 440 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 3: tall ships. 441 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, No, it's okay. The Black Panthers and the 442 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: Brown Berets handled security to get food to the island, 443 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: and I got to read you the occupier's proclamation because 444 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 2: it goes so hard. 445 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 3: Love a good proclamation. Let's hear it to. 446 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 2: The Great White Father and all his We the Native Americans, 447 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: reclaim the land known as Alcatraz Island in the name 448 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: of all American Indians by right of discovery. We feel 449 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: that this so called Alcatraz Island is more than suitable 450 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: for an Indian reservation as determined by the white man's 451 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: own standard. By this, we mean that the place resembles 452 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 2: most Indian reservations in that one it is isolated from 453 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: modern facilities and without adequate means of transportation. Two it 454 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: has no fresh running water. Three it has inadequate sanitation supplies. 455 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: Four there are no oil or mineral rights. Five there 456 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 2: is no industry, so unemployment is very great. Six there 457 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: are no healthcare facilities. Seven the soil is rocky and unproductive, 458 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 2: and the land does not support game. Eight there are 459 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: no educational facilities. Nine, the population has always exceeded the 460 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: land base. Ten the population has always been held as 461 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: prisoners and kept dependent upon others. Further, it would be 462 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: fitting and symbolic that ships from all over the world 463 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: entering the Golden Gate would first see Indian Land and 464 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: thus be reminded of the true history of this nation. 465 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: This tiny island would be a symbol of the great 466 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: lands once ruled by free and noble Indians. Fuck that 467 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: goes so hard, Yeah, so good. They had a couple problems. 468 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: The biggest one was the coast Guard. Another problem was 469 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: white people, specifically white allies, specifically hippies. For a while, 470 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: white allies were allowed to join the occupation and spend 471 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 2: the night, but pretty soon all the a political hippies 472 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: were out there like doing drugs and shit and fucking 473 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 2: everything up, and so they decided that only Indigenous folks 474 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: could sleep there, which seems fucking reasonable. 475 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: So so so reasonable, and such a good policy. Yeah, 476 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: I was at Occupy Wall Street. 477 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: I Yeah. In the end, internal conflict and repression worked together, 478 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: and eventually their numbers dropped low enough that the government 479 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: just came in and arrested the people who remained. But 480 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 2: this is more. This is a year and a fucking 481 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: and a half. 482 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't know as it went on that 483 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: long either. 484 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 2: In nineteen months. Wow, the occupation said a precedent and 485 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: really got shit going, and it shifted public opinion and 486 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: eventually was part of shifting government policy away from termination 487 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: and towards indigenous autonomy. It shifted so much that after 488 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: this Nixon had to come out and say that the 489 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: policy had shifted towards offering self determination, which is pretty 490 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: impressive when you get fucking Nixon to say something progressive. 491 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 2: You know, his pretend favorable opinion was going to revert later, 492 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: of course, and a ton of folks from the occupation 493 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: wound up AIM members later after, you know, as things 494 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: really are getting going, a ton of spiritual leaders in 495 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: the various nations supported AIM and the Red Power movement 496 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: more broadly, even though it had started in the cities. 497 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: So these kids who'd been stolen from their culture enforced 498 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: into cities were folding back together with the traditional folks 499 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: still on the reservations. Basically, one of the first spiritual 500 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: leaders to endorse the American Indian Movement was Leonard crow Dog, 501 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: the Great grandson of crow Dog, the guy who'd killed 502 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: Spotted Tail for being a sellout in last week's episodes, 503 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 2: And there's going to be a lot of like direct like, hey, 504 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: this is the grand kid of the person that we 505 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: talked about last time, you know. 506 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this goes to what you were saying before 507 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 3: about this not being a rebirth, yeah, but a continuity. 508 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. The middle ground position, the middle of the road position, 509 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 2: were people who supported the Bureau of Indian Affairs, and 510 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 2: this was disappearing as people. More and more people are 511 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: joining AIM and they're also joining the Indians of All Tribes, 512 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: which is the group that started with the Alcatraz occupation. 513 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: They started as that student group and then eventually they 514 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: were like, we're the Indians of All Tribes as well 515 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: as a There's another group that was picking up around 516 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: this time as well, called the United Native Americans, which 517 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: is a nonprofit that's still around today. And soon into 518 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: all of this stuff that's happening comes this week's main hero, 519 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 2: Leonard Peltier. Leonard Peltier was born on September twelfth, nineteen 520 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: forty four, in North Dakota. His family was migrant workers 521 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 2: who picked potatoes basically it was like indigenous folks picked 522 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: the potatoes and folks were indigenous to Mexico picked the 523 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: beats in the area that lived in Peltier describes his 524 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: lineage as sue Ajibwe and one to eighth French. He 525 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: grew up speaking English in a Jibwe. His father and 526 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: uncle fought the Nazis in World War Two. His uncle 527 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: died fighting fascism and his dad had his legs machine gunned. 528 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: When his parents separated, he was raised by his grandparents, 529 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: which was a fairly traditional way to be raised. He 530 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: spent a few years as a kid on a ranch 531 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: in the res. Then he was off to Butte, Montana, 532 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: where his family worked in a copper mine. He was 533 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: there for a little bit, but then white kids were 534 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: bullying him for being indigenous. There's a couple indigenous kids 535 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 2: and families at the copper mine, right, White kids were 536 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: like throwing rocks and shit at him and yelling racial slurs. 537 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: And finally, after being pelted with rocks, he threw one 538 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: back and hit a kid in the head. And this 539 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 2: is going to be a really good symbolism moment. It's 540 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: almost too on the nose, but you know that where 541 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: he hit the kid. Yeah, So the bully's mom, whose 542 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 2: name was probably Karen, drove over, Yeah, drove over and 543 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: was like, your son tried to kill my kid, and 544 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: then started yelling racist shit. But the women of Leonard's 545 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 2: family drove her away. They were like, yeah, we're gonna 546 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: beat the shit out of you if you don't get 547 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: the fuck out of here. 548 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: Nothing nothing like showing up to complain and immediately justifying, 549 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, totally where I see where your 550 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: shitty kid gets it from him? I wonder, right, no, 551 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: wonder our kids threw a rock. 552 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the violence started when the protesters threw the tear 553 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: gas canisters back at the police, you know exactly. And 554 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: so Karen, whose name was definitely Karen, was gonna go 555 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: to the authorities and get young Leonard arrested. So the 556 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 2: whole family up and moved that night to a tiny ran. 557 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: Holy shit. 558 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, the women and the kids left first. The men 559 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: stuck around to like pick up paychecks the next day 560 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: and then got on the road. Because that's the that's 561 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: what you got to do when your kid fights back 562 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: against racism, you know. 563 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like that's the like threat level you're dealing with, 564 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: especially like if you're trying to keep your family together. 565 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And so they go to their grandfather's ranch, where, 566 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 2: especially once the grandfather dies, Leonard is out hunting rabbits 567 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: with a sling shot or the family is no meat, 568 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's like, oh, no, you better go kill 569 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: a rabbit, which is really hard to do with a 570 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 2: sling shot. He writes about this a bit. Yeah, you're like, 571 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: I wish I had a twenty two, but I didn't 572 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: have a fucking twenty two, you know. Then and he's 573 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: like eight or nine. Right when he's eight or nine, 574 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: the government came and fucking stole them off to an 575 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 2: Indian school, wapetan Indian school. The kids heads were shaved 576 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: long hair as a cultural indicator of indigeneity and like 577 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: a very important like part of the traditional stuff that 578 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: we'll be talking about. It's gonna come up a bunch. 579 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: And they were powdered with DDT too, you know, because 580 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: they're terrible, dirty kids or whatever, you know. And he's 581 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: stuck there for a year before his mother gets the 582 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: money together to come get him out. And he's like 583 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: eleven at this point or so, him and him and 584 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: some other kids steal some gas from an army reserve 585 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: so the houses don't run out of fuel. They're like 586 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: a storm's coming and they're like, oh, we don't have 587 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: any fucking gas. We're gonna run out of fuel. We're 588 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: gonna be screwed. And so the eleven year old goes 589 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: and steals some gas from the like army. Right, he's caught. 590 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: He spends two weeks in jail, and then he sent 591 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: off again, this time to live with his father on 592 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: Turtle Mountain Reservation in North Dakota, where everyone is fucking starving. 593 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: He used to go to community meetings just because there 594 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: was sometimes food, where like everyone would like pot luck 595 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: and you know, bring together what they had, you know. 596 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: And when he was fourteen or so, he had this 597 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: moment that changed his life. He saw an elder, a 598 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: Gway woman basically say why are there no more warriors 599 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: among our men? If there was, why did they not 600 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 2: stand up and fight for their starving children? And he 601 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: made a vow that he would help his people for 602 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: the rest of his life, and he has he's never 603 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: broken that vow. It's been a long time since. Then 604 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty eight, he's a young teen, he goes 605 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: to witness an a legal son dance which was held 606 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: secretly at night in a teepee, and the cops were 607 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: afraid to bust it up because there's a lot of 608 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: people and they were like adults, you know. So they 609 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: arrested the kids outside because they're cowards, because they're because 610 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: cops are brave. Yeah, exactly, as they are constantly telling us. Yeah, 611 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 2: and so they arrest Leonard for being drunk, even though 612 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: he wasn't drunk. And this is still during the policy 613 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: the period of termination that we're talking about, right, it 614 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: isnteen late nineteen fifties, the BIA would announce literal policies 615 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: like no food for those who are resisting termination. Like 616 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: it's like fuck, Like it's not fucking subtle, like like 617 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: these days it is. It is considered fashionable to at 618 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: least pretend to not be evil. 619 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you're not supposed to just be like, oh, 620 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: this is the Department of starving children. 621 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah totally. Yeah. And then people are like as an 622 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: adjective or a verb, and you're like, it's a verb, 623 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: we will starve them the Department to starve children. Yeah, yeah, 624 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: don't worry. We have like a we have a whole 625 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: budget set aside for implements to hit them with, Like, 626 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 2: why are you like, like you come on, guys, you 627 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 2: gotta at least pretend to be not evil. Yeah, although I. 628 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 3: Don't know, it's kind of great. You know, it's kind 629 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 3: of preferable, I guess, to be openly evil than sneaky. 630 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 631 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, it's half a dozen of one, 632 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 2: you know. So he's fourteen years old and he moves 633 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: out west after his mother, who's out there doing migrant labor, 634 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 2: to get out of where he is. At seventeen, he 635 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: tries to join the Marines to go fight in Vietnam, 636 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: but he's rejected for medical reasons because his jaw was 637 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 2: all fucked up from a bunch of fights he'd been 638 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 2: in and hadn't been able to get medical care for. 639 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: At twenty, he's living in Seattle, and he's not political 640 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: at this point, right, but he's trying to do his 641 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 2: best by people. He actually is political, it just calls 642 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: himself not whatever anyway. 643 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: By people can be pretty political. 644 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,479 Speaker 2: Oh he's he fucking good at it. So he owns 645 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: an autobody shop in Seattle, and he uses the second 646 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 2: floor as a halfway house for Indigenous folks recovering from 647 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: alcoholism or needed a place to go after getting out 648 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 2: of jail. He is twenty years old and he is 649 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 2: running this by himself. I mean there's other people work 650 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 2: at the auto shop and shit right, but like everyone 651 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 2: loves him. He's a hard worker. He's kind and generous, 652 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: and he's at this point always looking to de escalate 653 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: fights and he's always about reminding people of who they are, 654 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 2: you know. In nineteen seventy he gets involved in his 655 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 2: first sort of like protest thing. Leonard joins the American 656 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: Indian Fort Lawton Occupation Forces, which is a fucking go 657 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 2: and hard name for an activist group because they well, 658 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 2: you'll be shocked to know that the American Indian Fort 659 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 2: Lawton Occupation Forces were a group of American Indians who 660 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: occupied Fort Lawton Awesome in an Alcatraz style takeover of 661 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: abandoned sir plus land around an abandoned fort called Fort Lawton. 662 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 2: Veterans of the Alcatraz Occupation came up to help them, 663 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: and after three weeks of occupation, the Indigenous folks won 664 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: the Daybreak Star Cultural Center. 665 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, because this time they didn't let the white 666 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: hippies come along. 667 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally just got it and fucking got it done. 668 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: They did let Jane Fonda come. Okay, well again she 669 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 2: was gonna she was required at most yost things. No, 670 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: there's at the time, and there's some quotes they didn't 671 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: make it into the script, but there's some quotes from 672 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 2: folks who were part of that occupation who were like, 673 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 2: we kind of it kind of worked. Jane Fondo is 674 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: a big part of it working, you know, like the 675 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 2: star power being used to draw attention. Like, yeah, Jane 676 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 2: Fonda didn't do it. The indigenous people did it. But 677 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: like she she she opened some doors. And this was 678 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 2: not a nonviolent occupation. This was months of breaking into 679 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: the fort, arrests, fighting riot cops, and just doing it 680 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: all over again, all alongside court maneuvers to claim the land. 681 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 2: When Leonard was arrested alongside thirteen others, all of them 682 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 2: were beaten in custody and then they like were letting 683 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 2: him go and he was like, I'm not fucking leaving 684 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 2: until everyone leaves. And then like it was his idea 685 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 2: he spread that they did jail solidarity. Basically they were like, well, 686 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: we are not leaving until everyone leaves and they were 687 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: all released. 688 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, when people are getting beaten in custody, 689 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 3: it's not a good idea to like let people just disappear. 690 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, anyone who's listening, you should look into jail solidarity. 691 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 2: It is sometimes effective. I have used it successfully twice 692 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,839 Speaker 2: where you I only recommend doing this if you plan it, 693 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 2: But it involves refusing to cooperate once you are arrested 694 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 2: in a mass arrest type situation in order to prevent 695 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: people from being singled out and like given escalated charges 696 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 2: and things like that. Don't do it based on that 697 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: one sentence description to your own reasons. Talk to your lawyer, yeah, Miriam, 698 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 2: your lawyer. 699 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, no dad. 700 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 2: Oh right, don't talk to your dad about it. Well, 701 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: you can talk to me. No, don't actually no, don't 702 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 2: talk about crime with anyone that you're planning that. Don't 703 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 2: talk about No. None of you have ever done crime 704 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 2: and never will. No, don't do crime. It's bad, immoral, 705 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: except all the crimes that I'm talking about that are cool. 706 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 707 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 2: All right. So, after this particular fight was one only 708 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: through peaceful law abidingness, despite what I just said, he 709 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: wound up in Denver and he joined AIM, all the 710 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: while continuing to do migrant labor right, because he's still 711 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 2: got to eat, you know, he quits drinking. At this point, 712 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 2: there's a growing sense of seriousness in the movement and 713 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 2: a growing sense of discipline. There's actually already some divisions 714 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: within AIM between people who wanted national leadership and those 715 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: who wanted regional autonomy and people who are like more 716 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 2: into not drinking and people are into drinking and discipline 717 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 2: in it. I'm I'll talk about a little bit about that, 718 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,439 Speaker 2: but we'll get to that later, but it's not gonna 719 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 2: be the main focus. And for a while at least, 720 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 2: they refuse to let that split them, and people who 721 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: would like lose votes would just stick it out with 722 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 2: the main group. And they managed to do all of 723 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 2: their most amazing shit after they already had had these 724 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: fairly large disagreements. And I think that's fucking. 725 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: Co Yeah, being able to still work with people with 726 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 3: whom you have significant disagreement is like pretty crucial. 727 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeahs, the only way I've even gets done. Yeah, literally, 728 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 2: Like yeah, white vigilanti groups are op being anti indigenous 729 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 2: violence everywhere as folks start organizing more and more. One 730 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: of the leaders of the Alcatraz occupation was a peaceful 731 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 2: mohawk activist named Richard Oaks who had helped set up 732 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 2: indigenous education everywhere he went. When he was thirty, he 733 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 2: was murdered by a white guy named my Michael Morgan, 734 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 2: who shot the unarmed man, claimed self defense and got 735 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: away with it. And of course there's just generic racist 736 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: violence that they're all dealing with too. But before they 737 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 2: can deal with that, do you know what else they 738 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: have to deal with? Miriam? 739 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 3: Is this a fucking ad plug? 740 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 2: They have to deal with pressing the skip button like 741 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 2: three four times until they hear the bumper music come 742 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 2: back on. Wow. 743 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot to deal with. I think all 744 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: your listeners can deal with that, though, I hope so, 745 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 3: except sometimes you're like listening if you're driving or something. 746 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they think you have to controls aren't really. Yeah, 747 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 2: Like like for me, it's like when I'm like doing 748 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 2: like woodworking or something, and I'm like, ah, might or 749 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 2: like there's a chainsaw in my hands, I can't. I'm 750 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: just trying to out my butch points here. I'm exaggerating. 751 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 3: You understand suffering? 752 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly? God. Anyway, here's some ads and we're back. 753 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy two, the American Indian Movement won the 754 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 2: respect of the traditionalists who lived on the reservations and 755 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 2: in particular on Pine Ridge. There was already some folks 756 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 2: who were starting to respect them. But there's one thing 757 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 2: that they did that really cemented this. A man named 758 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,839 Speaker 2: Raymond Yellow Thunder was treated badly enough that I won't 759 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: go into details. He was beaten and stripped and paraded 760 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 2: around in front of a white crowd in Nebraska, just 761 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: across the border from Pine Ridge in South Dakota, and 762 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: he died from his wounds the next morning. 763 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that like, like he was lynched, like that's 764 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 3: it were less I mean categorizing it that way. 765 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 2: Well, okay, I mean if you're taking lynches like taken 766 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 2: from custody, then no, right, no, But he suffered that way. 767 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 2: He suffered racial abuse. It's unclear whether they were like 768 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 2: he was public in a racist attempt, in a racist attack. Yeah, 769 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 2: I think that is a fair thing to say. Yeah, 770 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: he died from his wounds the next morning. The two 771 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: white dudes, the brothers, Uh brothers are the last named hair. 772 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 2: They were like the people who did this, right, they 773 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 2: were arrested but released without bail, and everything was in 774 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 2: place for them to just get off unpunished. Yellow Thunder's 775 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 2: family tried to go to like the cops and shit, 776 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 2: and then they tried to go to BIA the Bureau 777 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 2: of Indian Affairs. No one was helping them, so they 778 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 2: went to AIM. AIM brought in a two hundred car 779 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 2: caravan and forced the FEDS to file actual charges against 780 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: the Hairs and for the chief of police to be fired. 781 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 2: Like everyone listening has like probably been around some like 782 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 2: how hard it is to get police to be held 783 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 2: accountable for anything. 784 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 3: You know. 785 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Aim got the chief of police fired for this. 786 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 2: One of the main organizers for this protest was another 787 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 2: AIM leader, Russell Means, who's also famous for voice acting 788 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 2: in Pocahontas and playing a role in Natural Born Killers. 789 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 2: Also he did a ton of other activism and there's 790 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 2: like lots of complicated political debate with Indiandigenous right movements 791 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 2: about blah blah blah blah blah, but he helped get 792 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 2: justice for Raymond Yellow Thunder. Car caravans were clearly an 793 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 2: effective strategy, so they got themselves together to a really 794 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 2: fucking big one. Also in nineteen seventy two, various indigenous 795 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 2: rights groups united and set off on the Trail of 796 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 2: Broken Treaties. And this was a cross country caravan of 797 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 2: cars that when it gathered and departed from Minneapolis. And 798 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 2: this is only about three quarters. There's like four, there's 799 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 2: four caravans from across the country. Right, Three of them 800 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 2: gathered in Minneapolis and set out together. And one of 801 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 2: them did a symbolic thing from Oklahoma reverse of the 802 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 2: trailer tears. And the one that departed from Minneapolis was 803 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 2: over four miles long, this caravan wow, and they drove 804 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 2: to DC. In this caravan, there were seven hundred folks 805 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 2: from two hundred different tribes and nations. Eight movements organized 806 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 2: this only AIM is remembered partly because they were spicy, 807 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 2: partly because of branding, and partly because of some lawsuits 808 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 2: and crimes that we're going to talk about later. That 809 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 2: is why AIM is remembered. So I just want to 810 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 2: like shout all the eight groups out there was the 811 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 2: American Indian Movement, the National Indian Brotherhood came down from Canada, 812 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 2: the Native Americans Right Rights Fund, the National Indian Youth Council, 813 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 2: the National American Indian Council, the National Council, Council on 814 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 2: Indian Work, National Indian Leadership Training, and the American Indian 815 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 2: Committee on Alcohol Drug Abuse. These eight groups got together 816 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 2: to do this. Along the way, they stopped on reservations 817 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 2: to hold demonstrations and workshops and listening sessions to be like, hey, 818 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 2: when we go talk to the lawmakers, because they they 819 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 2: promised they'd meet with us, what should we say? Like, 820 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 2: what's going on? You know, which is an important thing 821 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 2: that activists need to stay good at. Listening sessions. Oh, 822 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 2: listening to people. Yeah, yeah, they ti I'm this caravan 823 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 2: to reach DC the week before the nineteen seventy two election. 824 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 2: Their goal was to show up and present Nixon with 825 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,160 Speaker 2: a twenty point list of demands that they had put together. 826 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,120 Speaker 2: And these demands are shit, like give us back the 827 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 2: right to negotiate with the US's nations, that's the big one. 828 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 2: Put together a committee to investigate all the broken treaties, 829 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 2: replace the BIA with an Office of Federal Indian Relations 830 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 2: and Community Reconstruction, and the termination acts. Give us some 831 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 2: of the land back. They wanted a one hundred and 832 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 2: ten million acres out of the two point four to 833 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 2: three billion that is the US. This is roughly twice 834 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 2: the acreage of all current reservations. This is the kind 835 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 2: of stuff they were asking for later. 836 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 3: And like almost absurdly reasonable. 837 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 838 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 2: Later, this document formed the basis of the two thousand 839 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:52,760 Speaker 2: and seven UN Declaration of Rights of Indigenous People. Nixon 840 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 2: didn't bother to meet with them. And this is going 841 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 2: to shock you again. Get ready to get ready to 842 00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 2: get shocked. 843 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 3: Embracing myself. 844 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the government went back on all its promises if 845 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 2: meetings was Various officials way, the Department of the Interior, 846 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 2: Labor and Commerce all canceled on them at the last 847 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 2: minute without reason. 848 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 3: Wait are you, margaret? Are you telling me that the 849 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 3: US government broke promises to Indigenous people? 850 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 2: I know, I know, that's clearly only happened a thousand 851 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 2: years ago. The National Park Service denied them the right 852 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,800 Speaker 2: to gather at Arlington Ridge Park, and the government forbade 853 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 2: the BIA from helping them out with housing and shit, 854 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 2: even though usually when delegations of tribes and nations would 855 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 2: come to DC, the BIA was in charge of like 856 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,319 Speaker 2: finding everyone housing and shit like that, and they like 857 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,680 Speaker 2: did they were like, Oh, there's like this church that's 858 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 2: literally full of rats where I guess your elders could sleep. 859 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 2: I don't know. And it's interesting because the I think 860 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 2: the head of the BIA didn't put this in the 861 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,279 Speaker 2: script that I think the head of the BIA was 862 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 2: actually like was an indigenous person and was like wanted 863 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 2: to be supportive and was just like not allowed, you know. 864 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 2: So the organizers were like, all right, fuck it, We're 865 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 2: going to a sit in in the BIA until our 866 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,800 Speaker 2: elders have a place to sleep. Right, that's their fucking 867 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 2: demand again, right, They're like, yeah. 868 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 3: Don't put our elders in a rat church. 869 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like rat churches for rats and rat friends. 870 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 2: That's it. 871 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the rats, the rat priests, the whole 872 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,240 Speaker 3: rat congregation, rat nuns, yeah, all of those guys. 873 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, they can hang out a rat. But this was 874 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 2: not any of the people who were there. So right, 875 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 2: So they decided to sit in at the BIA building. 876 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 2: More than a thousand people participated. The cops tried to 877 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 2: evict them violently, so people rioted, drove off, the police, 878 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 2: barricaded the doors. They put up a banner that said 879 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,720 Speaker 2: Native American Embassy and took over the Beerhouve Indian Affairs. 880 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, They are the fucking raining champs of taking 881 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 2: shit over in good ways. 882 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 3: They're really good at it. 883 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, they al So they spent a week in 884 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 2: the building, and they spent that week coming through records 885 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 2: that proved just how shitty that they'd been treated. 886 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 3: Right, oh shit, because they're locked in there with all 887 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 3: the records. 888 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. All the while they're defending the 889 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,880 Speaker 2: place with molotovs and the press ate it up, but 890 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,239 Speaker 2: they ate it up in the bad way where they 891 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 2: were like, yeah, they were like, oh no, these like 892 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 2: bad people. They like broke some furniture and they spray painted, 893 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,200 Speaker 2: and this action is what cements AIM's reputation as the 894 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 2: bad kids. They are the vandals. Never mind that the 895 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 2: cops actually did most of the damage to the building 896 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 2: during all their various attacks and stuff. 897 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 3: You know, also, like most government buildings could use a 898 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,480 Speaker 3: little spray paint and a little broken stuff, Like oh yeah, 899 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 3: this is what I hate, like when people acted like 900 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 3: the bad thing about the January sixth riders was that 901 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 3: they like broke things in the Capitol. It's like that's fine, 902 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 3: you know, it was the fascist stuff in the Capitol 903 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 3: needs to be broken. The bad thing is it was 904 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 3: fascists doing it to promote fascism. Fascists could hold a 905 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 3: fucking bake sale to promote fascism and it would be 906 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 3: like fuck you and your goddamn brownies. Like the issue 907 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 3: is is promoting fascism, not breaking Pelosi's desk. 908 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 2: Fuck Pelosi's desk. Yeah, oh absolutely, And so the news 909 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 2: runs with all these like look, how ungrateful these people 910 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,800 Speaker 2: are type stories and lots of things that are wearing 911 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 2: more racist people only. 912 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 3: Say ungrateful when they have done absolutely fucking nothing for 913 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 3: the people they're calling ungrateful. 914 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And so at this point the FBI decides 915 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 2: they were all communists and enemy of the state's enemies 916 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 2: of the state, which is like not true, but I 917 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,359 Speaker 2: mean it's not the furthest but it's like whatever, it's fun. 918 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,720 Speaker 3: Like also, the state was the enemy of them, I know, exactly, 919 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,280 Speaker 3: showing up being like, hi, we have a very reasonable 920 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 3: list of demands and the state is like getting the 921 00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 3: rat church. 922 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like what the fuck you? Yeah, And at 923 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 2: this Leonard Peltier is one of the two heads of 924 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 2: security for AIM. He hadn't really volunteered, never trust the 925 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,879 Speaker 2: kind of person who wants to volunteer to be. 926 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say I was just gonna say, oh, wait, 927 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 3: he was head of security. That's that's good. But if 928 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 3: he didn't volunteer, then I trust him. I trust anybody 929 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 3: who doesn't volunteer to be head of security. 930 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he he was volunteered. Basically, there was like 931 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,600 Speaker 2: him and someone else where. People were like, look, you 932 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,800 Speaker 2: all keep a you keep a calm head in crisis. 933 00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,360 Speaker 2: You're in charge of security. 934 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,479 Speaker 3: Those are the two traits you want for a person 935 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 3: in charge of security, keeps a calm head in crisis. 936 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,200 Speaker 3: Doesn't want that job. 937 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And so after this he gets called on 938 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 2: for security all the time, and that's kind of one 939 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 2: of his main roles within aim going forward. That and 940 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 2: fugitive and political prisoner. But you know, we're not there yet. Yeah. 941 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 2: In the end, the government gives in a little bit 942 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 2: and offers them immunity from prosecution, as well as sixty 943 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,880 Speaker 2: six five hundred dollars as travel expenses for folks to 944 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 2: get home. They also promised that they would set up 945 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,120 Speaker 2: a task force to consider the twenty points. And everyone 946 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,719 Speaker 2: points this as like, oh, they like really fucked up 947 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 2: by taking over that building. No one was even going 948 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,280 Speaker 2: to give them that much as setting up a task 949 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 2: force to consider it until fucking building takeovers and molotovs 950 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 2: got involved. 951 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like the first offer was nothing yeah, 952 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 3: and then the post occupation offer was something yeah yeah. 953 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 2: Shockingly, get ready to get shocked. The task force rejected 954 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 2: the twenty points No one sick thing that happened as 955 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 2: a result of the trail of broken treaties is the 956 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 2: Piscataway people, one of the longest colonized indigenous peoples in 957 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,879 Speaker 2: North America. The folks who lived around what's now DC 958 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 2: put together the Piscataway Resurrection to bring back cultural culture 959 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 2: and history and memory as a result of this basically 960 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 2: and finally receive state recognition as like existing in twenty twelve. 961 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,560 Speaker 2: But so the government withdraws its financial support of AIM 962 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,000 Speaker 2: survival schools at this point, right because of the bad kids. 963 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 2: I promised that would happen, and it puts them on 964 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 2: extremist lists and it starts fucking with them. The panthers 965 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 2: are like winding down owing to the repression that they've faced. 966 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 2: So the eye is sore on kind of turns towards aim. 967 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,000 Speaker 2: Shortly after returning to Milwaukee from the takeover, Leonard Peltier 968 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 2: is framed up on attempted murder. Basically, he's hanging out 969 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 2: this diner and these two undercovers are like trying to 970 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 2: pick a fight with him, and he's like, what the fuck, 971 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 2: and then they like pull a gun on him, arrest him. 972 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 2: He didn't know there were cops. They search him, they 973 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,399 Speaker 2: find an old shitty bretta that like literally was proven 974 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 2: in court like couldn't fire, and then they put him 975 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 2: in jail for five months for attempted murder. Before he 976 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,320 Speaker 2: gets out on. 977 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:10,880 Speaker 3: Bail, attempted murder being near undercover cops. 978 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 2: That's pretty much, Yeah, same thing gun rates for everyone 979 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:20,840 Speaker 2: except indigenous people and all other marginalized people. He spends 980 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 2: most of what's coming next in a jail cell. But 981 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 2: we are going to talk about the most hardcore of 982 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:34,280 Speaker 2: their occupations, all the shit that comes next on Wednesday 983 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,360 Speaker 2: instead of today, you're gonna have to wait, well, not Mariam. 984 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,920 Speaker 2: Miriam must wait like five minutes while I go pee haha. 985 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,080 Speaker 2: But everyone else has to wait till Wednesday because you're 986 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 2: not Miriam. That's actually the one advantage of the name Miriam. 987 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 2: You thought that Ian was the only one with a 988 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,879 Speaker 2: special thing related to the name. 989 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 3: It's true. The advantage of the name Miriam is you 990 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,359 Speaker 3: get to hear things today instead of Wednesday and this week, 991 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 3: like yeah, one in ten people you meet will be like, 992 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,200 Speaker 3: oh I knew an old lady named Miriam once. 993 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 2: It's like when I used to play accordion and people 994 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 2: will just stop me on the street to be like 995 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 2: my grandfather and I'm like, uh huh yep, and me 996 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:20,520 Speaker 2: will you give me money? I need to eat food anyway. Uh. 997 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 2: This is the end of the episode until except for 998 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 2: the plugs, which is Miriam. What do you want to plug? 999 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 3: What did I plug last time? 1000 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,440 Speaker 2: Medical, land Back Aid. 1001 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 3: For Palestinians and land back Yeah, replug those. Replug those 1002 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,359 Speaker 3: landback dot org. 1003 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 2: Do that. 1004 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 3: I'm not online. You can't find me. 1005 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,720 Speaker 2: Ha ha, And I'm gonna plug an essay that people 1006 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 2: who if people are if white people in particular are 1007 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,239 Speaker 2: thinking about how they want to be allies of indigenous 1008 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 2: people in all the direct action struggle that's happening for 1009 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 2: the environment. That's cool, and I would recommend that you 1010 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 2: read an essay that you can find online called accomplices, 1011 00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,799 Speaker 2: not allies, and it talks about the problems with the 1012 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 2: ally industrial complex and the ways in which people what 1013 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 2: it actually takes to be in solidarity with people. And 1014 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 2: I would recommend reading it if that's the thing you 1015 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:21,839 Speaker 2: want to do. 1016 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 3: I like that you give your listeners homework. 1017 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's why everyone likes me, is the 1018 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 2: homework giver. That's a classically popular physician to be in 1019 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 2: that rules. 1020 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 3: Give them homework, yeah, make them work for it. 1021 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you got anything you want to plug. 1022 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: Oh, listen to Hood Politics with prop He's had some 1023 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,320 Speaker 1: really awesome episodes lately. 1024 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 2: Elli. Yeah, that's been my cooking listening lately. 1025 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,239 Speaker 1: That's a good show to listen to. 1026 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 2: You cook, I know, all right, see you on Wednesday. 1027 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 3: Bye. 1028 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,800 Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of 1029 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. 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