WEBVTT - Episode 3 - Homecoming 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:09.520 BBC SuDS. Hey, h'm Maggie. Just a quick heads up 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.320 before we start. The series does contain some descriptions of 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:15.520 violence and deals with adult themes. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.320 His ar murder has a Northwest Harance County neighborhood on edge. 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.439 A couple celebrating a wedding anniversary found tied up in 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.680 Sanford closets. The husband had been stabbed to death tonight. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.760 Investigators have plenty of questions about this that happened, as 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:33.199 we see on this. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.919 So we get the news on and I see the 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.199 newscasts of Jim. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.760 When Tammy Armstrong switches on the evening news, she cannot 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:45.720 believe what she's seeing. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.879 And as that's their house, that's their house, and I 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:50.120 was scared to death. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.720 Her best friend, Sandy Melgar's place is wrapped in police 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:57.280 tape and swarming with cops. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.280 And that's where Local two is. Andy Sirote is his 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.760 lab with the latest on this story, Handy Bill. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.480 Residents in this quiet community still baffled over a bizarre 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.000 mystery involving two of their neighbors like this. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:13.040 Then I just start screaming hysterically and crying, and Tom's 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.000 turning it up louder and they said that he had 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.680 been murdered in that house. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.200 Tammy and her husband Tom had been entertaining friends that evening. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.119 After they'd seen the last of their guests out. They 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.800 were ready to collapse on the sofa, but then their 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.400 son in law called, urging them to switch on the TV. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.800 Then I just start screaming, where's Sandy. They're not saying 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:40.480 a thing about Sandy. Where's Sandy? What happened to her? 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:41.640 What did they do to her? 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:49.400 Tammy rings sandy cell, no reply. She rings the house again. Nothing. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.960 She tries over and over. Next she rings around the 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.120 hospitals in Houston, and. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.520 I called all of them. Then Tom called the policeations 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.840 in the police station said, no, she's not here. Of 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.000 course she wants there. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.520 What Tom and Tammy don't know is that Sandy's phone 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:12.000 has been taken into evidence. Well, she's questioned by the police. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.640 And so then we could do nothing. But I said, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.000 we'll stay dressed, We'll stay on top of the covers 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:22.120 and just lay here and wait, saying prayers and crying 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:31.480 and waiting to hear from my friend. Tom's phone rang 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:34.160 about I think four in the morning or something. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:39.360 They're both still awake, lying fully dressed on the bed. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.480 He picks it up first ring and he goes, yes, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:46.160 it's a minute, and he hands it to me and 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.040 Sandy's voice is so faint. She was Tammy. I said yeah. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.680 She goes, do you know, and I said yes, I know, sweetie, 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.680 I know. I said where are you? And she goes, 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.600 they brought me back here. I said they who? And 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:05.080 I said you're at your house? And she is yes. 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.480 The police dropped Sandy back at home at three forty 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.360 five am on Christmas Eve. 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:15.120 And I said we'll be right there. She says okay, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.680 and she clicked off and I told him, I said, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.400 I can't believe they took her back. She's at the house. 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.400 And so we jump in the car and we drive 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:25.520 over there and get there. 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.960 When Tammy and her husband arrive at the Melgar's house, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.600 they have to push their way through the massive reporters 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.440 and cameras gathered outside. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.520 Friends and relatives say fifty two year old Haimimelgar had 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.520 no enemies, and tonight they are rallying around his broken 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:45.280 hearted widow. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.800 We're just trying to christ you know. Reporters in front, 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.040 and we go under the yellow tape and go in 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:55.200 and Sandy's sitting on her sofa and she's holding her dog, Lola, 0:03:55.320 --> 0:04:01.080 the Pomeranian, and she's so so so pale, and her 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.680 skin is so blanched and she can barely talk. And 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.040 I said, Sandy, have you had your medicine? I said, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.760 you're going to have a seizure. I said, and you're dry, 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.600 you're dehydrated, running get a bottle of water on the fridge, 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.719 A hander water. So where's your medicine, honey, she says, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.320 And she can tell me. So I started to go 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.839 to her bedroom. Don't go in there, and I said, 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:23.720 I won't look. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:30.080 Jim's body was found in a closet connected to that bedroom. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.919 He was gone, but the blood I didn't see it. 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.600 I wouldn't look, but Tom said it was. It was horrendous. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.320 All they had done was removed Jim. Lola had blood 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.280 on her and fingerprinting stuff and all that was all 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.640 over Lola. She's pure white. And her puppies were crying 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.159 and barking in the yard and Sandy was just sitting 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:57.160 on the couch with hardly anything on, freezing, just sitting there, shaking. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.960 Tammy searches for draw for Fenno barbadal. That's Sandy's prescription 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.760 anti seizure medication. She can't find any. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:11.200 And I said, well, whoever did this obviously knew that 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.279 phenom barbital is the drug take And I said, because 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.360 that's gone. She goes, oh, I had my full prescription. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:23.640 Tammy locates some tablets tucked away and gives one to Sandy. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.280 And I just grabbed a couple of things for her 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.040 put on and wrapped her in a blanket and we 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.280 got the dogs and got her out of there. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.680 Tammy and Tom decide to take Sandy back to their house, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.560 hoping it will be a refuge from the crime scene 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.440 and from the pack of reporters we're. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.120 Just trying to get as a statement. Sandra Melgar saw 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.280 comfort today and the arms of a friend in the 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.320 wake of her husband's bizarre murder. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.280 She was and the lights. They started taking pictures and 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.760 she just started shaking and shaking it. And I wrapped 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.559 her tightly and threw the blanket even more of her head, 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.039 and we get her into the car and you know, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.560 put it in the back, slam the door, and they're 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.600 asking for a statement. Thirty two years with the anniversary, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.680 there's Aunt that's Tammy. 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.760 She's sitting in the front seat of the car, shielding 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.880 her eyes from the glare of the cameras, her face 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.279 twisted in anguish, all for viewers at home to see 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:26.000 as journalists cramble around trying to question her and Sandy murder. 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.839 She was unable to speak from the backseat of this 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.520 car where we saw her wrapped in a blanket laying 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.160 down Stewart. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.120 And we left and they said, where are you taking it? 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:35.960 Where are you taking her? 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.719 Back at her house, Tammy put Sandy in a hot 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:44.200 shower to warm up. She's freezing cold, and. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.880 She kept saying, I still smell it, I still smell it. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.480 And I said, what are you smelling the here? She 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.240 has the blood, so much blood, Tammy, so much blood. 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.720 But when I was washing her hair for her, there 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.360 was a bump, a big noot on her head as 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.120 a Sandy, we need to go to er, and I said, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.359 I don't know what they did to you, and she 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.760 said I can't, I can't, and she was crying, and 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.120 don't take me to another cold, hard place. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.400 So they try to get some rest instead, and. 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.240 I got her under the electric blanket and she slept 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.360 with me and Tom slipped in the guest room and 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:22.800 she stayed awake all night. She was crying, saying, how 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.640 could they do this to him? How could they do this? 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.520 And then she said, what am I going to do 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:33.800 without him? He's everything? And I said, I know. Then 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.640 at one point, all of a sudden, she goes tell 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.280 me they think I did this. And I thought she 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.400 was just babbling, you know, shock. I said, that's ridiculous, 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.080 you were tied up. I said, no one would ever 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.640 think that you did this. That's the most ridiculous thing 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:55.080 I've ever heard. And I said, who thinks you did this? 0:07:55.840 --> 0:08:01.160 And she goes the police. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.600 I'm Maggie Robinson Katz and from BBC's Studios and iHeart podcasts. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:15.160 This is Hands Tied, episode three, Homecoming. 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.040 I could have left a guy here this Christmas Day. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:27.520 It was the twenty fifth when we landed. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.760 By the time Liz and her husband land in Texas, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.240 her mom, Sandy, is already at Tammy's house and has 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.640 already been quizzed by the police about her dad Jim's murder. 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:42.280 I think I was completely in shock the whole time. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.439 I mean I broke down on the plane a few times, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.520 and when I was picked up from the airport. I 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.800 think that's when it hit me, but not entirely, because 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.760 I feel like I was in shock for years. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.840 A cousin picks them up at George Bush International Airport, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.280 and a wave of emotion and relief hits Liz because 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.120 sitting in the backseat of the car is Sandy. After 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.560 hours of frantic worrying about her mom, at least here 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.160 she is. She's not in a good way, though. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.320 Yeah, my mom just like falls apart and she's got 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.880 bruises all down her arms, and asking her what happened, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.920 and I mean she was just bawling, she was just crying. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.400 They get back to Tammy's house, which has become the 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.760 gathering place for all of Sandy's relatives and friends. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.320 So I didn't flat out say what happened because I 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.760 didn't want to make her talk about this right if 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:40.560 she wasn't ready. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.960 Slowly, Sandy tells Liz what she remembers about the events 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.480 leading up to Jim's death. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.480 At that moment, I remember thinking, you're sitting in this 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.120 bathtub right with the person that you think you're spending 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.560 the rest of your life with. You're talking about what 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.840 you're about to do now that he's retired, your plans, 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.679 all this stuff, and then he gets up to go 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.200 let the dogs in, and the next thing you wake 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.960 up and your whole life has been turned upside down. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.600 And I just remember that thought going through my head 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:12.439 over and over again. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.600 Sandy tails Liz about the police interview. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.440 Didn't they take you to the hospital. No, you know, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.600 she thought she'd had a seizure, she had a bump 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.720 on her head. She said that they had interrogated her, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.160 that they wanted her to do a light detector test. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.520 She said, no, I'm too stressed and frazzled right now. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.040 I will not pass a light detector test. It all 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:36.880 felt very wrong. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:47.000 Liza's head is spinning. It's a lot to process. Her 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.360 dad is dead, and it seems like her mom is 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:51.199 a suspect. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:52.680 It's a lot. 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.440 It's more than most people can handle, too much for 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.080 one person. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:03.480 She's drained, exhausted, jet lagged, barely recovered from the miscarriage 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:06.679 she's just had. But now that seems like an eternity ago, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.120 and these most desperate of circumstances, she turns to the 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.320 person who she could always rely on to keep a 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.160 cool head in a crisis her dad. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.600 My dad was always telling me how important it is 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.880 not to get too emotional about things, and to step 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.400 back and separate yourself and try and look at things 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.400 from this perspective that isn't emotional or biased. 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:33.280 Like Jim. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.959 Liz isn't a panicer, so she channels his calm, logical brain. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.640 And there's her other superpower. Those true crime books she 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.720 obsessed over as a teenager, which led her to study 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.200 neuroscience in England, knowledge which she has stored up and 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:51.320 can now put to use. 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.600 It was definitely already cynical about the police. I already 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.440 was very distressing of them. And you're taught to believe 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.400 that they're going to help you, right there there to 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.200 help you and they want to make sure you get 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.960 justice or whatever bullshit that they tell you. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:06.480 But I have. 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:12.560 Seen how they've treated other people. And then you know, 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.240 reading these like true crime accounts where sometimes the police 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:23.280 have released victims back into their killers custody, or you know, 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.160 usually they don't listen when it's somebody who is not white, 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.920 or you know, who's not in authority. I don't know, 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:36.360 there's just different circumstances, right, So I was very familiar 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.560 with these types of interactions, and we started from there. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.920 Liz swings into action. First, she wants to find out 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.600 how her dad died, so she tracks down a number 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:54.880 for the medical examiner. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.480 I remember calling the NY's office and trying to get 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:04.240 some information. So I called the detective and they asked 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.600 if they could come see me at Tom and Tammy's house. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:17.079 I said, okay. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:21.480 It's the day after Christmas, twenty twelve, and two detectives 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.000 are outside Tom and Tammy's house in Houston. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.560 They knock at our door. Sandy's in the back, and 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.080 she immediately starts trembling and shaking. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.480 It's the same two detectives who interviewed Sandy, Deputy Carousel 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.080 and Sergeant to say. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.280 So, I stayed back there with her, and I'm like, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.920 you don't have to go out. They'll be seeing to 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.319 the front room. You don't have to see them. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.840 But it's okay because they're not here to see Sandy, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.960 they're here to talk to Liz. Liz records the interview 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.040 using a tablet she'd given her husband Anthony for Christmas. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:03.160 This was twenty twelve. Applets were high tech and more 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.440 than a decade later, Liz and I are in my 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:10.559 hotel room in Wimbledon, London, listening back to that recording Semumer. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.559 Twenty six, twenty twelve, case number one two one seventy 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:19.000 six two six' Nine Sean kerzelhairrishetty homicide Sixty henry forty 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.400 two also with me as my, Partner sergeant do, say 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.800 And i'm gonna let the other two witnesses here identify. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.920 Themselves manage and identify, Yourself Elizabeth melgarth, okay and this 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.680 is your? Husband, yeah your Name Anthony. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:35.440 Rose did they know that you were? Recording? 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:36.960 YEAH i told THEM i was going to. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.680 Record IF i was in your shoes in that, POSITION 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.480 i don't THINK i would have the foresight to do. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.720 THAT i really don't know what made me do. IT 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:48.360 i guess just like mistrust and making sure THAT i 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.800 remembered what we had said and what we had talked, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.680 about BECAUSE i felt LIKE i was in such shock 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.200 that you know, what IF i forgot EVERYTHING i had 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.360 said AND i forgot something. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:02.320 Important have you talked about been to your? Mother what 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:03.520 did your mother have to? 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:08.160 Say she's just in complete. Shock she has a hard 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:09.520 time remembering things as. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.200 It is because of the. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.960 Seizures she's got a well documented history of lucas and 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:18.160 epilepsy for the past twenty something. Years and she basically 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.920 just told me that the, Police, well she woke up 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:22.880 and she was trying to sit up and. 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.880 Get out of the, closet but she has had. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.600 Hip replacements and she has a lot of joint, problems 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.480 so she really couldn't, move and she didn't know how 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.240 long she had been, There SO i mean. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:34.840 She said that the police took her. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.960 In, well they told my family that they were taking 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:40.800 to the, hospital AND i spent hours calling hospitals trying 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.480 to find, her and it turned out that they didn't 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.360 take her. There it wouldn't give her, medication and she 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.080 was there for twelve. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.640 Hours and stress brings on, seizures and so does lack of, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.000 sleep SO i was a bit worried about her. Health 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.640 she's quite in a quite gradual state right. 0:15:55.640 --> 0:16:04.040 Now you sound so clear and so concise and so. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:06.920 PRESENT i think it's probably. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.000 Just like angry THAT i had to deal with these 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.960 idiots and angry at the way they had treated. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.800 Her time has not Softened liz's feelings towards the. Police 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:18.480 you do. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.800 Know that we had a messenal that check her out, medication, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.840 Right but the doctor and them that saw her there 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.480 at the, scene they had cleared everything before we even 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:30.120 spoke to. 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.600 Her how can you, SO i see you shaking your. Head, 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.600 yeah because he's saying there was a doctor on. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.040 Scene there was no doctor on. Sine there were some 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:38.680 mts On. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.280 Zene Emergency medical technicians. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:46.360 EMTs aren't, trained you, know to deal with this sort of. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.960 Situation they're not going to have her medication for. Her 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.120 they should have taken her to the. 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.960 Hospital liz thinks That sandy was in no fit state 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.600 to decide for herself if she needed to go to the, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.120 hospital she should have been taken. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.760 Anyway she doesn't know what's going, on she's not thinking. 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.720 Clearly she should have never been in that room answering 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.280 questions in that state and without a. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.640 Lawyer, yeah it. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.919 Was just it was very frustrating because they were just 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.239 lying to my face LIKE i was this idiot who 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.520 had no, idea and that LIKE i was just going 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.359 to buy, it and it was so. Insulting it was 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.119 so insulting and just went like adding insult to. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.040 Injury and you understand. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.960 That we're not pointing fingers at anybody, here but we're 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.560 trying to we're trying to get as much informational we 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.080 can't because it's either. Way we have either we're looking 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.160 at a possible suspect entered her, home and we're trying 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.280 to look at every angle. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.600 HERE i just don't appreciate the way my mother was 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:45.320 treated like. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.680 That she, WAS i, mean she said that the police 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.720 were basically we're just, saying you, know you did? 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:51.639 It was he? 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.159 Abusive was he having an? Affair was this? Happening was that? 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.960 Happening, no here's the. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:00.639 DEAL i look At liz and pause the. RECORDING i, mean. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.320 He's denying, everything and then you get to the interrogation 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:05.840 footage and Everything i've said is. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:10.199 True the questions are, asked, okay but you have to, 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.680 remember and it's how somebody perceives the. Question we have 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.440 to know if somebody was out to hurt your. Father, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.120 okay the way you take that question is the way 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.560 however you're going to take. It but that's our. Job 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.560 we have to figure out kill. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.280 HIM i think she probably had a seizure and that 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:32.160 probably freaked out whoever was, there and maybe they thought 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:33.359 they killed her by hitting her on the. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.119 HEAD i don't, know, WELL i mean that could. Be 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.760 that could be the, case and that's WHY i need to. 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.840 Know like with her condition And i'm not saying that 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.440 she could black out and all that. Stuff it could, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.679 happen BUT i need to know if she's ever going 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.399 to remember, it because if she could ever remember a, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.280 suspect that's the best thing for me and him because 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.480 then we have a description and everything. Else right, now 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:55.320 at this, point we have. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.960 Nothing i've been asking, Trying. 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.960 We're trying to solve the, case And i'm trying to 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.399 look for answers just that anything that can help us 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.439 out because that now we don't, know we know, nothing 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.280 and everybody is a. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.280 Suspect at a, point the police Till. 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:15.040 Liz they're keeping an open mind and that they need her. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.680 Help they ask if she'll be going back to her parents', 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:19.800 house do me. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.959 A favor when you're, there get a tablet out anything 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.359 you think is, missing because we need to start searching 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.760 for the eydos that are. Missing somebody came in and stole. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.600 It if somebody come in and going to steal, stuff 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.879 if you have OLD tv the manuals to them that 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.480 has a serial, number or anything like that to it 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.040 bring it all to, us because we can start searching 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.600 for those items if they've been, pawned they've been sold. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:45.800 So meticulous he has all. That i'm sure he has 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.480 all those things in his house. 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:52.560 Somewhere see and how your mother and father a? Relationship 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.840 how has it been in this past? 0:19:55.000 --> 0:20:01.080 Great, okay they were just celebrating their thirty second money. Anniversary, 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:03.800 alrighty it's twelve. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.439 Thirty he's gonna be the end of. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:16.280 The interview lasts thirteen. Minutes any sort of final thoughts 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:17.879 after replaying that whole. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:23.840 THING i was probably like too nice and like accommodating 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.760 and just letting them get away with the bullshit that 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.399 they were trying to feed. Me hindsight's always twenty. Twenty 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.000 BUT i didn't know WHAT i know. 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:47.359 Now everyone kind of thinks they know how they'll react 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:51.080 in a high pressure. Situation we think we'll do the honorable, 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.840 thing or we'll keep our composure in some way or 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.480 something like. That but when we're faced with the reality 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.119 of it, ALL i think we'd surprise, ourselves and not 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:05.399 always in the best. Way i've mentioned before THAT i 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:09.760 can kind of understand What lissa's experiencing BECAUSE i also 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:15.080 took on an investigation around my own dad's. Mystery growing. 0:21:15.160 --> 0:21:18.639 Up my dad was a. Businessman in, FACT i learned 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:22.520 the word entrepreneur very early. On he always wanted to 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.560 be a, musician but pivoted that desire towards, radio owning 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:31.199 several stations and even pioneering the first radio network to 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:36.520 provide twenty four hour music programming via. Satellite so a 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.360 pretty amazing, career. Right my dad was filled with stories 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.280 from the time he turned down hanging out With paul, 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:46.560 McCartney which was a major, regret to producing a radio 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.919 program With John. Candy and to answer the question that 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:54.000 may have popped into your, head, YES i did grow up. 0:21:54.080 --> 0:22:00.679 Rich but in twenty, eleven out of seemingly, nowhere my 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.919 dad was diagnosed with colon cancer and died just a 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:08.000 few weeks, later revealing a secret he'd been keeping for. 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.480 Years he was, broke the two thousand and eight real 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:16.560 estate crash wiping him, out but there could possibly be 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:21.280 something to pull him out of this financial. Hole for 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.320 over a, decade my dad would talk to this guy 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.280 in The philippines about gold hidden in the. Jungle this 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:30.879 guy told my dad he represented the Former filipino Dictator 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:35.080 Ferdinand marcos and was the executor of his. Will he 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.800