Speaker 1: The guys from PING.
Speaker 2: They've kind of shown me how much the equipment matters.
Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot. I
Speaker 1: kind of want we're gonna be able to tell some
Speaker 1: fun stories about what goes on here to help golfers
Speaker 1: play better golf.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and
Speaker 2: Marty not where you live, necessarily, not where PING exists,
Speaker 2: but in a lot of parts of the country it's
Speaker 2: cool and off and golfers still want to get their
Speaker 2: golf in and they still want to look at new product.
Speaker 2: A lot of the new products come out in January typically,
Speaker 2: and so I wanted to chat a little bit with
Speaker 2: you today about fitting, specifically the difference in fitting indoors
Speaker 2: and outdoors, because obviously everybody wants to hit shots off grass,
Speaker 2: but not everybody can, especially in the winter months. So
Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to lean on you about the
Speaker 2: big differences in what happens when you get fit, let's say, indoors,
Speaker 2: off mats things like that, versus you know, go into
Speaker 2: the proving grounds getting fit on perfect grass and ideal conditions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's a great question. I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot. It's it's weighing on the minds of a
Speaker 1: lot of golfers and actually a lot of club fitters.
Speaker 1: Is one of our most common question from fitters, because
Speaker 1: a lot of fitting environments are indoors. Is hey, what
Speaker 1: are these differences? What can I do with my golfer, right,
Speaker 1: to simulate more of an outdoor environment? What are let's
Speaker 1: compare and contrast some of those differences, and getting fit
Speaker 1: indoors is not all a negative thing, right, I'll give
Speaker 1: a few examples of this. To get fit outdoors, you
Speaker 1: have the advantage of if you have a launch monitor
Speaker 1: your fitter as a launch monitor that can track full
Speaker 1: down range ballflight. That's an advantage, right. You also can
Speaker 1: hit off the turf, so you can really evaluate the
Speaker 1: turf interaction of the golf club for your irons or wedges.
Speaker 1: Those are some of the really big advantages in the
Speaker 1: outdoor environment. You can see visually the curve. Luckily, nowadays
Speaker 1: launch monitors are great. You can get nice curve information
Speaker 1: and indoor environments as well. So those are the advantages
Speaker 1: of getting fit outdoors. But a lot of times it's
Speaker 1: hard to find a facility that you can hit really
Speaker 1: premium golf balls outdoors, right, It's rare. It is rare.
Speaker 1: We're lucky here at the proving grounds. We're hitting prov
Speaker 1: one x's and things of that nature. The tour players
Speaker 1: they get to hit premium golf balls. So an advantage
Speaker 1: of getting fit indoors is that you can hit premium
Speaker 1: golf balls right. So while you're not getting that full
Speaker 1: down range flight, hopefully you're on a launch monitor that
Speaker 1: can has really good simulation techniques for being able to
Speaker 1: simulate that full down range flight and actually hitting premium
Speaker 1: golf balls will give you sometimes better launch and spin
Speaker 1: numbers than hitting outdoors with a bad golf ball, But
Speaker 1: you do get to see the full down range flight right,
Speaker 1: So there's some pros and cons between those two different scenarios.
Speaker 1: There another advantage of getting fit indoors, and sometimes we
Speaker 1: do this when we run test chain, especially if you're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out if somebody's compensating. Let's say we
Speaker 1: give you a club with a lying goal that's two
Speaker 1: degrees upright. You might hit your first shot, you pull
Speaker 1: it to the right for you as a left handed golfer.
Speaker 1: Your next one you compensate. You stand close, so you
Speaker 1: raise your hands. You do all this stuff right now.
Speaker 1: In an indoor environment, a really skilled fitter can turn
Speaker 1: the screen off for a couple shots and blind you
Speaker 1: right and take out a little bit of that bias.
Speaker 1: You have no feedback loop. John Graham is one of
Speaker 1: our ambassadors here, does this with his tour players. When
Speaker 1: they putt. He'll have him hit left to rights and
Speaker 1: right to lefters. He'll have him hit the putt. He'll
Speaker 1: immediately kick the ball out of the way, but he'll
Speaker 1: measure where it would have gone with his launch monitor,
Speaker 1: So he effectively is doing this in an outdoor environment.
Speaker 1: So indoors you can actually do that, and a skilled
Speaker 1: fitter can use this to their advantage. Specifically when you're fitting,
Speaker 1: for example, let's say lying goal on your irons and
Speaker 1: you're trying to make sure this play player is not
Speaker 1: doing anything to accommodate for the particular ballflide and you
Speaker 1: want to see how they naturally deliver. That can actually
Speaker 1: be an advantage in an indoor environment. So premium golf
Speaker 1: ball really good friction. You can get arguably sometimes better
Speaker 1: more consistent like launch condition numbers from having that good friction,
Speaker 1: and you can, if you have a skilled fitter, be
Speaker 1: able to eliminate some of the bias. Just turn off
Speaker 1: the screen for a little bit, have them hit some shots,
Speaker 1: see how they're delivering it. They can look at the
Speaker 1: numbers on their screen, but you just mask it, mask
Speaker 1: the simulation from the player and the simulator, and those
Speaker 1: can be some of the advantages with the indoor fitting environment.
Speaker 2: What about the numbers, like in terms of what numbers
Speaker 2: might look like outdoors on a grass driving range versus
Speaker 2: numbers indoors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, drivers gonna generally be the same. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked a little bit tea yep off
Speaker 1: of tea pretty clean, So drivers generally going to be
Speaker 1: the same as long as you can kind of make
Speaker 1: sure your te height is rep presentative of how you
Speaker 1: would tea at outdoors. That can be a little tricky
Speaker 1: with some of the t's and things of that nature,
Speaker 1: but driver will generally be almost identically indoors to outdoors.
Speaker 1: Once you get into a fitting club that we and
Speaker 1: most of the industry uses as a seven iron or
Speaker 1: around a seven iron, there's really good news there. Most
Speaker 1: of the time, your spin numbers will be very similar
Speaker 1: to outdoor conditions off the ground. Right now, I say
Speaker 1: that with a very big asterisk that actually the type
Speaker 1: of match you hit off can actually change this a
Speaker 1: good bit. Okay, some mats, you actually players can kind
Speaker 1: of hit the ball, hit the mat before the ball
Speaker 1: get a little dust or some of the little fibers
Speaker 1: of the mat will kind of get kicked up and
Speaker 1: get between the ball and the face and change the
Speaker 1: spin a little bit. But I think generally the good
Speaker 1: news is that we are fitting with seven irons. A
Speaker 1: lot of the industries fitting with seven irons, your launching
Speaker 1: spin can be pretty similar. But Shane, this changes when
Speaker 1: it comes to wedges. So here's my advice for folks.
Speaker 1: Seem a little weird, but if you're gonna go get
Speaker 1: fit for wedges, bring a little spray bottle with you.
Speaker 1: Bring bring your little spray bottle full of water with
Speaker 1: you to your wedge fitting. Hopefully your fitter has one
Speaker 1: and they're doing this protocol. A lot of our fitters
Speaker 1: are doing this protocol. Well will they will have you
Speaker 1: hit wedges off the mat, dry clean and dry clean
Speaker 1: the face, dry everything, grooves are clean, and compare them
Speaker 1: to your gamer. Compare them to some other wedges you
Speaker 1: want to be trying in your fitting process. And then
Speaker 1: sprits the golf ball with water, and what you want
Speaker 1: to look at is the difference in spin, and you
Speaker 1: can look at launch angle two. But these things will
Speaker 1: be tied very close together between the dry scenario and
Speaker 1: when you introduce moisture, that's going to tell you how
Speaker 1: much spin retention that club club face technology has. That's
Speaker 1: a great thing for the consumer to look at. So
Speaker 1: you maybe it may get a little funny look there,
Speaker 1: but that's a little direct to consumer empowerment technique you
Speaker 1: can use to bring into your fitting environment. Marty.
Speaker 2: I'm excited in five years from now for you to
Speaker 2: have numbers on like Fiji water versus Smart water. Like
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna eventually dive into that and get
Speaker 2: a good feel for it. This is what tap water
Speaker 2: does to a golf ball versus you know, the really
Speaker 2: elite electro lightwater. But that's a very interesting thing I've
Speaker 2: never thought about. That is like trying to trying to
Speaker 2: recreate any condition possible indoors. The other thing I've always
Speaker 2: been interested about in terms of fitting is and players
Speaker 2: have talked a lot about this in terms of their practice,
Speaker 2: right is, some guys want to go sit on the
Speaker 2: range for two hours and hit one hundred and seven irons,
Speaker 2: but some guys want it to feel a little bit
Speaker 2: more like they're playing around. What advice would you give
Speaker 2: a player that's getting indoor fitting that to make it
Speaker 2: feel a little bit more like you're hitting golf shots
Speaker 2: versus just seven iron after seven iron after seven iron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we like to call that game like fitting okay, right,
Speaker 1: And it's great that whether it's track Man or Foreside
Speaker 1: or one of the other launch monitors or simulator software
Speaker 1: I've seen. Skytra has some really cool visuals now where
Speaker 1: they put literally a wall there. You can create some
Speaker 1: really good visuals now with the you know, launch mars
Speaker 1: have become simulators, they've married into one thing, so there's
Speaker 1: a lot of great things you can do there. Track
Speaker 1: Man simulation tools are great. We use some of their
Speaker 1: tools where you can put a player on a golf hole, right,
Speaker 1: and you want the player to feel in some scenarios
Speaker 1: some part of their fitting. So at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the fitting, you're doing foundational things. You're doing high wrist
Speaker 1: of floor, you're kind of getting lingele dialed in. You're
Speaker 1: getting launch conditions dialed in. Then when you want to
Speaker 1: really make sure that's the right liingle for the player
Speaker 1: you want to you want to put a little stress
Speaker 1: on them to see where their miss might show up.
Speaker 1: That's where you can gamify it. And we call that
Speaker 1: game like fitting chain. And what we'll do there is
Speaker 1: if we can, if we can have a tool like
Speaker 1: uh track man, we can pick a course a hole.
Speaker 1: Let me just pretend like we're doing a driver. You
Speaker 1: got a little water over to the right, a little
Speaker 1: more room to left, but still a little penalizing. We
Speaker 1: can we can pick a few holes. It's gonna representative
Speaker 1: of what that player is going to see on the
Speaker 1: golf course and focus them in. We'll take away all
Speaker 1: the barrel of balls, so the fitter controls the golf ball.
Speaker 1: You hand the player one ball at a time. Interesting,
Speaker 1: so you got one ball at a time. You try
Speaker 1: to put them in a scenario that's going to be
Speaker 1: like an encore situation and have the player hit that shot.
Speaker 1: What you can also do is have him hit that shot,
Speaker 1: then have them hit maybe a couple wedges, talk to
Speaker 1: them for a little bit, make them take a one
Speaker 1: minute break or thirty second break right, and then nudge
Speaker 1: the player, have them go through their full routine, gamify
Speaker 1: it a little bit. So there's a lot you can
Speaker 1: do there in the fitting, especially as it gets later
Speaker 1: in the fitting where you're trying to make those final selections.
Speaker 1: Is the shaft right, is the swingweight right? Do have
Speaker 1: the CG shifter? Should I put it in the fade
Speaker 1: for this player? The center position. You're getting to the
Speaker 1: fine adjustments in the fitting that you'll want to do
Speaker 1: a little bit of that gamification, some of that A
Speaker 1: B testing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know what happens in fitting and
Speaker 2: also happens in instruction, and you know, not every constructor
Speaker 2: in the world can do it. But I've got a
Speaker 2: new instructor I've been working without in Connecticut. He works
Speaker 2: out of the country clubed Dairy Anne and I think
Speaker 2: it was our third or fourth lesson, you know, thirty
Speaker 2: minutes hitting balls. He goes, all right, let's go to
Speaker 2: the golf course, you know, and it's let's go out
Speaker 2: to the golf course and see if what we're talking
Speaker 2: about now plays when you're actually hitting a golf shot
Speaker 2: on a golf hole. Because the golfer sees the stuff right,
Speaker 2: we see trouble, left, we see a tight a tuck
Speaker 2: hole location, we feel the bailout being where the bailout
Speaker 2: might exist in And it's it's just such a good
Speaker 2: thing to do in general as a golfer is to
Speaker 2: make it as as as round normal as possible, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yep. And I go back to Shane with how
Speaker 1: can we make fittings more like a tour fitting, Because
Speaker 1: let me here's how a tour fitting goes. Right. We
Speaker 1: got the truck. There were there on Monday, players like, hey,
Speaker 1: things that are a little off with my driver. Let's
Speaker 1: let's do some work, right, So maybe we build him
Speaker 1: a new driver. We got we got a new chaft.
Speaker 1: Maybe this player wants to try a little longer length
Speaker 1: to get a little more ball speed, And we got
Speaker 1: a new shaft, new driver length. Maybe a new golf
Speaker 1: ball came out, right, What are they going to do?
Speaker 1: They hit them on the range, get it dialed in,
Speaker 1: they go play nine holes Monday afternoon or Tuesday, they're
Speaker 1: going to play nine They're gonna take it to the course, right,
Speaker 1: So I think you painted the exact scenario, whether it's
Speaker 1: instruction or fitting. They have a lot of similarities. That's
Speaker 1: what the better player does. Not everyone can do that
Speaker 1: and go out to the golf course. So how can
Speaker 1: you bring that level of stress gamification, put a little
Speaker 1: heat on it, the right amount for the player in
Speaker 1: the environment, and bring that into the fitting scenario. At
Speaker 1: the Pink proven Grounds, you've been here, Shane, where we
Speaker 1: have the post on the end of our range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly twenty yards wide. So you know, for some players
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you two of those posts forty yards
Speaker 1: that's going to be an average fairway with For a
Speaker 1: lot of players. You get a tour player in and
Speaker 1: you get them in a major environment, their fairwy's gonna
Speaker 1: be twenty yards wide. We use those to gamify the fitting.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to take away all the balls and
Speaker 1: just having one golf ball there. I'll tell you that
Speaker 1: as well. That's a nice little hack.
Speaker 2: It's really really smart.
Speaker 1: Party.
Speaker 2: It feels like we're in a world now where indoor
Speaker 2: fitting has surpassed outdoor fitting. It feels like the majority
Speaker 2: of fittings these days are indoors.
Speaker 1: That fair to say, yeah, I think we see that,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's you know, our partners at PGA
Speaker 1: Tour super Store or Golf Galaxy or Second Swings and
Speaker 1: they have beautiful fitting base, right. And the benefit is
Speaker 1: again it's not all negative. The benefit is that there's
Speaker 1: some you have great launch monitors that are measuring the
Speaker 1: key metrics that you care about. Right. I think one
Speaker 1: thing Shane I did want to bring up is is
Speaker 1: you know the turf interaction. You don't have the turf
Speaker 1: interaction interaction, So what do you do when you're fitting,
Speaker 1: lyingle and analyzing things of that nature. So we have
Speaker 1: some tools here, right, we have grind tape. You can
Speaker 1: put grind tape on the bottom very skilled fitters and
Speaker 1: I highly end is what is grind tape?
Speaker 2: Can you just expand on that a bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, grind tape is a diagnostic tape. It's a tape
Speaker 1: when you mark it on a matt or one of
Speaker 1: our lieboards which we now called the diagnostic board come
Speaker 1: a plexiglass board you hit off, gives you a visual
Speaker 1: representation of where you're contacting. What is the pressure distribution
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the club, and that can be
Speaker 1: a proxy for what your turf interaction may be like
Speaker 1: out on the golf course. Right, So we put this
Speaker 1: tape on the bottom of the club, maybe your wedges
Speaker 1: if you're doing a wedge fitting, and if somebody hits close,
Speaker 1: if they mark or that pressure that contact is closer
Speaker 1: to the lead edge, they're generally generally steeper with a
Speaker 1: lot of shaffleing, So we can go to more bounce. Generally, right,
Speaker 1: if somebody contacts closer to the trailing edge, they generally
Speaker 1: have a little less schaffling and or might be a
Speaker 1: little shallower on their angle of attack. We can go
Speaker 1: to less bounce and try to get that golf ball
Speaker 1: contacting on the face a little bit higher. So there's
Speaker 1: a really good kind of visual indication that can be
Speaker 1: a proxy for bounce. And we can also use that
Speaker 1: lie tape or diagnostic tape that we put on the
Speaker 1: bottom of the club for liingel fitting. And the big
Speaker 1: thing I want to stress to everybody with lingle fitting indoors.
Speaker 1: Even though there's tools out there and launch monitors can
Speaker 1: measure your three D dynamic delivered lingle. That is not
Speaker 1: how you set up to the club at address, but
Speaker 1: you got the droop of the shaft, the hands raised
Speaker 1: going into impact based on the forces that you're applying
Speaker 1: to the club, so the dynamic delivery of that club
Speaker 1: A lot of fitters and even consumers, and it seems
Speaker 1: very logical to try to get that zeroed out, like
Speaker 1: you want the lingel delivered perfectly at impact, and that's
Speaker 1: what you should shoot for, and they won't pay attention
Speaker 1: to the spin on the golf ball or the curve
Speaker 1: of the golf ball. We have seen a lot of
Speaker 1: players they're perfect fitting in their irons. They will deliver
Speaker 1: it slightly flat, some players actually slightly upright. But you're
Speaker 1: solving four curve of the golf ball, right, you want
Speaker 1: to minimize the spin axis. And I would use minimizing
Speaker 1: your spin axis or curve as a more important metric
Speaker 1: from a launch monitor than trying to get zeroed out
Speaker 1: unlingle even though that sounds very good in theory, right,
Speaker 1: because there's other ways manipulating the shaftleing, manipulating the torque
Speaker 1: and twist, and the three D delivery of the club
Speaker 1: face a little bit open, a little bit close. Every
Speaker 1: player has a little bit of variability in how they
Speaker 1: do that, even our tour players, they all do it
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but they all solve for hitting
Speaker 1: that ball very straight from a curve perspective. When it
Speaker 1: comes to lingle fitting.
Speaker 2: It sounds like something you're saying across both platforms. If
Speaker 2: you're getting fit outdoors or indoors, is trying to make
Speaker 2: it feel as golfy as possible. It's like warm up
Speaker 2: the same where something you'd when you're playing golf. Don't
Speaker 2: try to overswing or underswing. It's like, do everything you
Speaker 2: can to allow the fitter to see who you are
Speaker 2: as the golfer. You are, not somebody you're trying to
Speaker 2: be or not somebody you know the numbers. Don't don't
Speaker 2: try to beef up your numbers just because you want
Speaker 2: it to look better to the fitter, because you've got
Speaker 2: to go live with the golf clubs.
Speaker 1: That you just got fit for. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean
Speaker 1: I think I think a good fitter also, and our
Speaker 1: tour fitters are great at this will have players not
Speaker 1: you know, if it's a better player. You got to
Speaker 1: know who you're fitting, right yep. So if you're a
Speaker 1: higher handicapped player and you don't hit punch shots, you're
Speaker 1: not changing your trajectory. You're just trying to master your
Speaker 1: one skill, full swing, hit the ball solid, that's what
Speaker 1: you should be doing in your fitting. Now let's go
Speaker 1: to I remember we were doing this with Hunter Mayhan Chain.
Speaker 1: He would have an issue where when he hit a
Speaker 1: three quarter trajectory shot, his dynamic delivery would change any
Speaker 1: pull it right, So we would always he's stressing him
Speaker 1: in his fitting. It's very easy to get the tour
Speaker 1: player to come in and hit their stock shot and
Speaker 1: pure every single one. You know, we can give them
Speaker 1: a different line goal, they'll adjust, give them a different shaft,
Speaker 1: they'll adjust. Where their issues show up is when they
Speaker 1: start hitting ball above their feet, shot, ball below their feet,
Speaker 1: shot three quarter shot, control your spin. Things start to
Speaker 1: change a little bit, so you need a good fitter
Speaker 1: will have different tools in their toolbox. So if you're
Speaker 1: a better player, I would say go in there and
Speaker 1: actually try to hit. Let's say you're getting fit for irons.
Speaker 1: Hit some shots where you're trying to curve it a
Speaker 1: little bit. If that's something you do, hit some little draws,
Speaker 1: hit some little fades, hit some knockdown shots. Make that
Speaker 1: part of your fitting. If you're a higher handicap player,
Speaker 1: you're just trying to have your one swing and do
Speaker 1: it good. That's what you should do in that fitting environment.
Speaker 1: In both cases, Shane, I think you nailed it. Try
Speaker 1: to represent the types of shots that you're gonna be
Speaker 1: able to hit on the golf course. And it's really
Speaker 1: fun to gamify it. And you can do this yourself
Speaker 1: out without a fitter knowing you're doing it. You can
Speaker 1: kind of guide yourself and put a little stress on yourself. Uh,
Speaker 1: during that fitting process.
Speaker 2: When Pink comes out with new equipment, how long does
Speaker 2: a fitting like when you have to fit a tour
Speaker 2: player for new equipment, all the new equipment that Pink's
Speaker 2: coming out for, how long do those fittings last? So
Speaker 2: a couple hours long? Is it an hour?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sometimes some of our lead players, Man, we'll go
Speaker 1: spend a half a day with them right now. And
Speaker 1: and the reason why, Shane, Let's say we want to
Speaker 1: we want to get them some equipment and then we'll
Speaker 1: go play nine holes with them or six holes. Right,
Speaker 1: we want to get that player on the golf course.
Speaker 1: It's not something every everybody has access to. I realize that,
Speaker 1: but on the tour level absolutely like a lot of
Speaker 1: times we'll get them into the equipment. Then it's it's
Speaker 1: it's always in the minds of the better player. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me go see how this does on the course.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's the default. You got to take it
Speaker 1: to the golf course. So when we're launching something with UH,
Speaker 1: with our our our PGA Tour top players, we'll take
Speaker 1: it out on the golf course. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I think for the everyday golfer, even myself, I'm here
Speaker 1: here at the proving grounds, We're going to try to
Speaker 1: bring that on course into the into the fitting and
Speaker 1: UH and it's super fun. That's actually a big area
Speaker 1: we're still working on is how can we gamify and
Speaker 1: create really good protocols to kind of have that on
Speaker 1: course type environment during your fitting.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a thought in terms of like
Speaker 2: adding terrain to the range shit ping, like adding it
Speaker 2: where you can create lies that are above your feet
Speaker 2: or you can stand up taller than where the ball is.
Speaker 2: Has there ever been a thought into putting a part
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's not the largest range on
Speaker 2: the planet, but it's a pretty big driving range. Is
Speaker 2: there an area that you've thought about making ground where
Speaker 2: you could force players to hit those types of shots?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, Shane. That is something we're working on.
Speaker 1: I think it's something that the golf community is really enjoyed.
Speaker 1: If you've seen kind of the puttview type of mats,
Speaker 1: you know our platform, the ability to change slope, and
Speaker 1: it's an active area of research for us. We've just
Speaker 1: done some academic research on that, like, hey, if golfers
Speaker 1: have the ball below their feet above the feet, how
Speaker 1: does their dynamic delivery change. We've done some motion capture
Speaker 1: research with our our European performance team. That's really fun.
Speaker 1: So that's something we're actually diving into at the moment,
Speaker 1: active area of research for us, even including on the
Speaker 1: putting side, right because we have our we have our
Speaker 1: outdoor green where we have it three D scanned, we
Speaker 1: have a map of it, just like the tour books
Speaker 1: and things of that nature, so we can go and
Speaker 1: pick those very specific slopes. We've seen the benefits of
Speaker 1: that in the short game area, and we do think
Speaker 1: there is a space for that in the full swing
Speaker 1: side of the club fitting process.
Speaker 2: Yes, Marty, you're gonna be the worst retired person ever.
Speaker 2: You're just gonna be texting your predecessor and saying we
Speaker 2: should do this.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about this?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a They're gonna block your number at
Speaker 2: some point, Like I'm done with this guy, he's retiring,
Speaker 2: moved on, he's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna keep going.
Speaker 2: But for now, PING has you and UH we get
Speaker 2: so many of these insights that are so interesting and
Speaker 2: I love always pushing you know. That's something I've found
Speaker 2: so interesting doing this podcast with you and so many
Speaker 2: of the people that have been involved in the podcast.
Speaker 2: The work at PING is that push to continue to
Speaker 2: be great, right, I mean, you can't be stagnant this
Speaker 2: business in any capacity, if you're a player, if you're
Speaker 2: a manufacturer, if you're a coach, any of these things.
Speaker 2: You can't just stay the same because the game changes
Speaker 2: so often. But you know, seeing the constant push to improve,
Speaker 2: even you know, with how good everything is at PING
Speaker 2: is very very cool to see. So there you go.
Speaker 2: As we said, winter months are upon us and UH
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are gonna try to get
Speaker 2: fit for some new clubs. And you know, now, don't
Speaker 2: be so scared about getting fit indoors, because it'll be
Speaker 2: just as good as getting fit outdoors.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Shane. No one other thing I'd say about getting
Speaker 1: fit indoors is you'll get really good launch conditions for
Speaker 1: let's say you're fitting seven iron and driver. Jot them down,
Speaker 1: drop drop down your ball speed, launch and spin okay,
Speaker 1: and then and consider pairing the golf ball using Balnamic.
Speaker 1: So that's our ball fitting website, our ball fitting tool.
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate cherry on top because you're gonna get
Speaker 1: really good launch condition numbers with the premium golf ball indoors.
Speaker 1: Jot down your driver and seven iron ball speed, launch
Speaker 1: and spin if you go out there, and then that's
Speaker 1: where you can marry your club fitting, your ball fitting synergistically.
Speaker 1: So one last little tip there to get the most
Speaker 1: out of indoor fitting environment.
Speaker 2: Indoor fittings, it's gonna get cold. I'm not excited about
Speaker 2: the cold, but I do lean on the indoor golf
Speaker 2: facilities a decent amount of the winter months. Marty appreciate
Speaker 2: the time and the insight has always This is the
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