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Speaker 1: The guys from PING.

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Speaker 2: They've kind of shown me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot. I

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Speaker 1: kind of want we're gonna be able to tell some

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Speaker 1: fun stories about what goes on here to help golfers

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Speaker 1: play better golf.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts and

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Speaker 2: Marty not where you live, necessarily, not where PING exists,

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Speaker 2: but in a lot of parts of the country it's

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Speaker 2: cool and off and golfers still want to get their

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Speaker 2: golf in and they still want to look at new product.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the new products come out in January typically,

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Speaker 2: and so I wanted to chat a little bit with

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Speaker 2: you today about fitting, specifically the difference in fitting indoors

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Speaker 2: and outdoors, because obviously everybody wants to hit shots off grass,

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Speaker 2: but not everybody can, especially in the winter months. So

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Speaker 2: I kind of wanted to lean on you about the

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Speaker 2: big differences in what happens when you get fit, let's say, indoors,

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Speaker 2: off mats things like that, versus you know, go into

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Speaker 2: the proving grounds getting fit on perfect grass and ideal conditions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's a great question. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a lot. It's it's weighing on the minds of a

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Speaker 1: lot of golfers and actually a lot of club fitters.

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Speaker 1: Is one of our most common question from fitters, because

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Speaker 1: a lot of fitting environments are indoors. Is hey, what

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Speaker 1: to simulate more of an outdoor environment? What are let's

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Speaker 1: compare and contrast some of those differences, and getting fit

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Speaker 1: indoors is not all a negative thing, right, I'll give

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Speaker 1: a few examples of this. To get fit outdoors, you

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Speaker 1: have the advantage of if you have a launch monitor

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Speaker 1: your fitter as a launch monitor that can track full

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Speaker 1: down range ballflight. That's an advantage, right. You also can

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Speaker 1: hit off the turf, so you can really evaluate the

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Speaker 1: turf interaction of the golf club for your irons or wedges.

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Speaker 1: Those are some of the really big advantages in the

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Speaker 1: outdoor environment. You can see visually the curve. Luckily, nowadays

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Speaker 1: launch monitors are great. You can get nice curve information

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Speaker 1: and indoor environments as well. So those are the advantages

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Speaker 1: hard to find a facility that you can hit really

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Speaker 1: premium golf balls outdoors, right, It's rare. It is rare.

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Speaker 1: We're lucky here at the proving grounds. We're hitting prov

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Speaker 1: one x's and things of that nature. The tour players

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Speaker 1: they get to hit premium golf balls. So an advantage

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Speaker 1: So there's some pros and cons between those two different scenarios.

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Speaker 1: There another advantage of getting fit indoors, and sometimes we

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Speaker 1: it to the right for you as a left handed golfer.

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Speaker 1: Your next one you compensate. You stand close, so you

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Speaker 1: raise your hands. You do all this stuff right now.

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Speaker 1: In an indoor environment, a really skilled fitter can turn

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Speaker 1: You have no feedback loop. John Graham is one of

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Speaker 1: So he effectively is doing this in an outdoor environment.

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Speaker 1: So indoors you can actually do that, and a skilled

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Speaker 2: What about the numbers, like in terms of what numbers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, drivers gonna generally be the same. Again, you know,

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Speaker 1: spin can be pretty similar. But Shane, this changes when

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Speaker 2: I'm excited in five years from now for you to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we like to call that game like fitting okay, right,

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Speaker 1: And it's great that whether it's track Man or Foreside

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Speaker 2: Yes, Marty, you're gonna be the worst retired person ever.

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna be texting your predecessor and saying we

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Speaker 1: Have you thought about this?

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a They're gonna block your number at

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Speaker 2: But for now, PING has you and UH we get

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Speaker 2: I love always pushing you know. That's something I've found

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Speaker 2: of the people that have been involved in the podcast.

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Speaker 2: The work at PING is that push to continue to

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Speaker 2: be great, right, I mean, you can't be stagnant this

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Speaker 2: business in any capacity, if you're a player, if you're

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Speaker 2: You can't just stay the same because the game changes

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Speaker 2: so often. But you know, seeing the constant push to improve,

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Speaker 2: is very very cool to see. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: As we said, winter months are upon us and UH

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people are gonna try to get

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Speaker 2: fit for some new clubs. And you know, now, don't

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Speaker 2: be so scared about getting fit indoors, because it'll be

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Speaker 2: just as good as getting fit outdoors.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Shane. No one other thing I'd say about getting

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Speaker 1: let's say you're fitting seven iron and driver. Jot them down,

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Speaker 1: and then and consider pairing the golf ball using Balnamic.

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Speaker 1: So that's our ball fitting website, our ball fitting tool.

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Speaker 1: That's the ultimate cherry on top because you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: really good launch condition numbers with the premium golf ball indoors.

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Speaker 1: Jot down your driver and seven iron ball speed, launch

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Speaker 1: where you can marry your club fitting, your ball fitting synergistically.

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Speaker 1: So one last little tip there to get the most

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Speaker 2: Indoor fittings, it's gonna get cold. I'm not excited about

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Speaker 2: the time and the insight has always This is the

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