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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and we're gonna have a little mock

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Speaker 2: draft madness here. I haven't even told Matt what we're

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Speaker 2: doing here. Uh, but I've already set up one thing here.

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Speaker 2: I've already done this just to speed things along here.

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Speaker 2: So we have traded pick eighty five and pick two

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Speaker 2: twenty five to the Jacksonville Jaguars for wide receiver Christian

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Speaker 2: Kirk and pick one forty two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm cool with that. I don't think that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Now we are now out at pick twenty one and

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Speaker 2: our boy Walter Nolan is there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, certainly interested.

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna get a little even more crazy here, Matt,

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Speaker 2: because we have picks twenty one fifty three and then

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Speaker 2: we don't have another pick until one twenty one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't love that sixty three two forty nine we have.

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Speaker 3: I actually think we could have got Kirk cheaper. By

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Speaker 3: the way, well, that's like that's what they accepted on here,

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Speaker 3: all right, okay, okay, I forgot you could do players

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Speaker 3: on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they accepted here on I didn't force

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Speaker 2: the trade or anything. That's what the that's what they

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Speaker 2: value to that. We have four trade offers. But Walter

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Speaker 2: Nolan is there, The Vikings are on the phone. They

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Speaker 2: don't have a pick in that area that I want

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Speaker 2: to get a pick then a Day two pick, yeah,

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Speaker 2: right there. The Ravens are on the phone. Nah, the

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Speaker 2: Detroit Lions are on the phone. I don't mind going

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Speaker 2: back a reasonable amount. Yeah, if we go get some

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Speaker 2: Day two stuff. So the Lions are on the phone

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Speaker 2: with pick twenty eight. Let's let's do some business with

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Speaker 2: the Lions here.

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Speaker 3: I'm very cool with that. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna get picked twenty twenty one. For we're

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Speaker 2: gonna give up here. We're gonna get twenty eight. Will

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Speaker 2: they give us sixty?

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Speaker 3: I bet we have to sweeten it.

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Speaker 2: There's a thirty two percent chance of that. So we

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Speaker 2: are going to have to sweeten it a little bit

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Speaker 2: if I go to two forty nine. No, So here's

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Speaker 2: the other thing I want to look at, Matt. Let's

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Speaker 2: say we also since we got Christian Kirk and say,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna move on from George Pickens. Okay, so now

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Speaker 2: we're gonna trade George Pickens away.

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Speaker 3: Did we just make a deal with the lines or not?

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Speaker 3: We did not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna get pickings here, and I got

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Speaker 2: some teams I know that might be interested in George Pickens,

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Speaker 2: especially if they missed out on a wide receiver early.

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Speaker 3: So we're doing this before we make our first round pick. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Now we wouldn't have this amount of time, but you

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Speaker 2: you would already have laid the groundwork for some of

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Speaker 2: these yeah, yeah, yeah, during the draft, and he may

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Speaker 2: they may have traded them before the draft. So I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna go say, I'm gonna go talk to the do

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to here? Let's talk to who

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Speaker 2: do I I've made this deal a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go talk to the Las Vegas Raiders here.

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Speaker 3: That woul makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Now, we're also gonna have to sweeten that that package

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Speaker 2: because they're thirty seven. They're not gonna make that deal.

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna do thirty seven straight straight up. No.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking that if they were to move them,

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Speaker 3: they'd get like a generic second, a mid second, and

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Speaker 3: a fifth something like that.

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Speaker 2: Now the Patriots at pick thirty eight might do that. Well,

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Speaker 2: we're getting closer here. Who's oh, I know it?

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Speaker 3: So mistakes into account if they drafted a receiver in

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Speaker 3: the first round, then they're not interested.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the Indianapolis Colts are interested. Okay, I want

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Speaker 2: a little sweetener from them. Say I'd like to get

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Speaker 2: more than their second second and a fifth I think

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Speaker 2: is about the going rate. So we're gonna swap Kirk

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Speaker 2: Pickens basically and move around the draft board a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of what we're doing. So that's which

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Speaker 3: I think some of this is quite possible. By the way,

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Speaker 3: imagine there'd be a lot of wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: T My current offer here now is picks two forty

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Speaker 2: nine and Pickens for forty five and one fifty two.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough. I mean, we're not gonna sit here with

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Speaker 3: dead air for five minutes negotiating with them. So if

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Speaker 3: it's all right in the neighborhood, sure.

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Speaker 2: So now we have picks twenty one, forty five, fifty three,

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Speaker 2: one twenty one, one fifty two, one sixty three.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but now if we when you go back to

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Speaker 3: talking to the Lions. We also have Christian Kirk and

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Speaker 3: we don't have Pickens. But we don't have Pickens, right right,

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Speaker 3: so we downgraded the receiver. Yes, it is a bigger

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Speaker 3: need than it was five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Correct, which is why it was important for us to

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Speaker 2: get that higher second round pick. Is post it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so and really the only receivers and all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, now I want outside receivers. Perks best in

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Speaker 3: the slot, Austin Wilson. We need size, we need outside,

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Speaker 3: the numbers we need. I don't know who our quarterback is,

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Speaker 3: but if it's Wilson, I definitely want some deep threats.

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Speaker 3: You know, go up and get it, guys.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So now I'm going to get back on the

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Speaker 2: phone with the lionska it pick twenty eight. Walter Nolan

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Speaker 2: is tempting. He's very tempting, but we may be able

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Speaker 2: to address that later in the draft.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to get more third round, fourth round neighborhood too.

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Speaker 3: We've got a little bit of a gap here too

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Speaker 3: with our picks.

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Speaker 2: Let me see if this gets it done. So I'm

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Speaker 2: offering a pick twenty one and one sixty three for

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Speaker 2: twenty eight and sixty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be great. I'd love to get that sixty.

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Speaker 3: They accepted it. Okay, now that's about to go in

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Speaker 3: there we go. So now also the first round, we're

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Speaker 3: going to resume the draft here.

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Speaker 2: But now we've got picks twenty eight, forty five, fifty three,

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Speaker 2: sixty one, twenty one and one fifty two.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, we are We have not drafted anybody.

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Speaker 2: And we have not drafted anybody. The only guy that

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Speaker 2: we've added is Christian Kirk at this point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we swapped receivers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so we're up here at twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: Top players available. Matthew Golden is still there. You have

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Speaker 2: to be interested. I wish he was six ' three,

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Speaker 2: but you know, Nick Scurton, Josh Connery, John A. Barron

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Speaker 3: Okay, definitely interesting. Colston Love. We didn't mention. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: say that they have a quarterback. Yeah, and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: they've signed somebody else.

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Speaker 2: Somebody will will have happened. Something will have happened there.

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Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight, Trey Amos, Chavon Ravel, Donovan Azureku, Elec and Emanor. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that would be your big outside number of receivers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think the corners are better than him.

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Speaker 2: T J Sanders there, Jack Beck is there, Jack Betch,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't look at illumin Or or Betch as

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Speaker 3: a first round pick. I know it's the late first.

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Speaker 2: We do have three more trade offers on the board

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Speaker 2: or on the be the Cowboys at forty four. We

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Speaker 2: don't want to move down that farce. We want to

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Speaker 2: take a player here and then I would mind taking

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Speaker 2: two day two receivers. The way this is two second

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Speaker 2: through fourth round receivers. What's the nose situation, because there

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Speaker 2: were definitely corners. I like, yeah, I mean the situation

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Speaker 2: to me, I think the best corner TJ. Sanders is there.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's a Steeler fit though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Omar Norman, Lot, Derek Harmon, Darius Alexander.

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Speaker 3: It got hit pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: I think you take Baron.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my favorite of the the players in a nutshell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's good value. Moving back picking up

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Speaker 2: those extra picks. We're gonna get one or two more.

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Speaker 2: We we had four of the top sixty picks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm fine with that player on the board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Baron is the pick? All right, So now we

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Speaker 2: are up again here at forty five. Well, receivers once

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Speaker 2: again got picked over there uh J two two of

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Speaker 2: Malaa is the top guy, ive Alble, Tyler, Booker, Cam Scattabo, Omar, Norman, Lot,

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Speaker 2: Xavier or Streppo.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do something crazy?

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 3: See? If Seattle wants to trade as DK Metcalf.

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Speaker 2: That would be really crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's been a crazy day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can I can ask, is that.

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Speaker 3: Does that work on? I've never done player trades like whatever.

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Speaker 3: I can ask here where Seattle at? They have no

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Speaker 3: cap space and Smith the jigbell went past him on

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Speaker 3: the depth jart.

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Speaker 2: Apparently they have no second round pick either.

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Speaker 3: They might want one.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait there picks at fifty. There we go, So

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Speaker 2: we would be offering pick forty five and.

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Speaker 3: Maybe get some juice back.

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Speaker 4: Well, but I just want to see what that looks

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Speaker 4: like for DK metcif they will one, except that.

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Speaker 3: I would think they would. We have money, I mean,

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Speaker 3: we what we need back in addition to DK for

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Speaker 3: forty five.

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Speaker 2: Well, they won't give us pick eighty two unless we

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Speaker 2: unless we sweeten the pot, they tread will absolutely not

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Speaker 2: be accepted, so sweeten.

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Speaker 4: It even a future pick, we could go that route. Well,

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Speaker 4: we're giving up forty five. Next year's fourth isn't going

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Speaker 4: to get it done. Next year's third would absolutely get

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Speaker 4: it done. But then they got to give us something.

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Speaker 4: They gotta give me a fourth back then.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, top three rounds i'd prefer not to have on

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Speaker 3: the table for next year. But we're earth shattering receiver

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Speaker 3: moves here.

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Speaker 2: So if we let's say we go next year's fourth,

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Speaker 2: they're not going to do it. It has to be next.

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Speaker 3: Year's third, and what's the deal again.

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Speaker 2: And they would give us their fourth, so it would

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Speaker 2: be forty five and DK metcalf or I'm sorry, forty

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Speaker 2: five and next year's third for eighty two, next year's

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Speaker 2: fourth for them and DK metcalf.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're only moving down around and next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm in. I don't like the receivers on the board.

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Speaker 3: We got another receiver and that's the mold we need.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: We just added Christian. Our receivers now are Christian Kirk,

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Speaker 2: DK metcalf.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now Austin and Wilson are three and four, and

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Speaker 3: we still have our picket right, were still Okay, we're

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Speaker 3: still a forty five and fifty. We gave up a

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Speaker 3: little capital. Next year, we'll find a way to make

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Speaker 3: that work, yeah or something.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we're at fifty three sixty eighty two, one twenty one,

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Speaker 2: so we are now up here at pick fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Do we agree that we're done at corner and Receiver?

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Speaker 2: Yes, we don't need to Yeah, okay, uh so the

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Speaker 2: best guys available here Tyler Booker, Xavier Orstreppo, Dylan Sampson,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Johnson, save On Williams, Jayden Higgins, Donovan Jackson, Derek Carmon,

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Speaker 2: Cameron Williams, Jared Ivesy, Ozzie Trapio, Darius, Alexander Farmer there.

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Speaker 3: And actually I'm so confused too. When's aren't How long

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Speaker 2: We have picks at sixty eighty two, one two. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I take Alexander.

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Speaker 3: There. I didn't even hear you saying I was gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I take Darius Alexander.

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Speaker 2: That's okay. Now we're back up at at okay, we're

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Speaker 3: Your higher state backs are interesting. Although I don't think

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Speaker 3: Henderson's a great fit, I think he's a really good player.

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Speaker 2: Would you take Judkins here? This is the third round,

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Speaker 3: End of the second.

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Speaker 2: We've been crazy filled the wide receiver need, we've out

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Speaker 3: Any trade offers, we got four trade offers. I hate

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Speaker 3: Is there is going to go pretty high?

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Speaker 3: I think Judkins fills the biggest need. I just feel

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Speaker 3: I know that's why I would love to trade down here.

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Speaker 2: A little crazier. The Browns are the next pick, the

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Speaker 2: it's the Ravens at ninety one. We're not making so

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Speaker 2: we're picking here, sticking and picking. What do you want

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Speaker 3: Jadkins? I guess, okay, this could be such a long wait.

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Speaker 2: When John Judkins, we'll see, we'll see if that worked out.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what. You know, running backs are still available

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Speaker 2: we didn't know. Yeah, all right, so we are up

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Speaker 2: now at eighty two. Lathan Ransom, Josiah Stewart, the Ede

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Speaker 3: A nice developmental project. That's a bonus prize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take him.

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Speaker 3: He's my favorite name you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mason Taylor is still there, Tess Johnson, Devin Neil,

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Speaker 2: of these tight ends I really like. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: The developmental guy William and Mary. That lines up.

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Speaker 2: You know, there we go. Okay, remember we got two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two NFL dudes that are that we know can play. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: all right, we're up here now at one one. Top

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Speaker 3: say keep saying Holton uh Antoine Powell, Ryland the ed

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Speaker 2: just looking here to see if my guy is available

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Speaker 3: Another nose would be nice that so I was thinking too.

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Speaker 2: Would you? Would you take Howard here and just be

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Speaker 3: And no? Because my favorite ones are Louisville and Indiana

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Speaker 3: to be honest with you, and I know you can

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Speaker 3: and get them later. But Howard's fine, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean? Is there a nose there? Of consequence?

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Speaker 2: The best one that I that I see here? Who's

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Speaker 3: Went? I like West from Indiana? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: West is there? From our turner from Texas, A and

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Speaker 2: M is there? Tim Smith from Alabama is there?

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Speaker 2: West is there.

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Speaker 3: I might go with one of the nose, West or Smith?

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Speaker 2: Which one do you like better?

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Speaker 3: Smith's just fresher on my mind from the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: West played more in the nose last year.

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Speaker 4: Than I don't know who's exactly everything, but he's a

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I'm fine with Howard or a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing with Smith. He had five snaps in

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Speaker 2: you were leaning away from noses? No, no, we'll see

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Speaker 2: what's available here at the court. We're we're now up

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Speaker 2: at one fifty two our final draft pick.

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Speaker 3: Which is kind of fun. What quarterbacks are out there?

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Speaker 2: All right? At the quarterback position. You're looking at Quin yours,

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Speaker 2: Curtis Rourke, Max brosmer Tyler Shop.

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Speaker 3: Shuck's my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you take Shuck here boom.

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Speaker 3: This doesn't sound crazy, but by the time draft time

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Speaker 3: I really like some of the stuff on Jim Jim

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Speaker 3: Nagy put out a tweet yesterday. Oh I saw it

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Speaker 3: and throw him from different armor.

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Speaker 2: I tweeted it out. I'm like, yeah this, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I have no doubt.

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Speaker 2: The only thing about him are the medicals in the age.

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Speaker 3: I mean the medicals.

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Speaker 3: It's four degrees.

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Speaker 2: That would have taken you twenty five years ago. All right,

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Speaker 3: It really firms up your secondary because his versatility. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We got Darius Alexander at picked fifty three. We got

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Speaker 2: We got Charles Grant, the offensive tackle out of William

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Speaker 3: We also picked up Well real quick that draft. I

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Speaker 3: Like if you just told me, Steelers took bear In

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Speaker 3: at twenty one, Judkins in the second round. Blah blah blah, blah,

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Speaker 3: And I love George Pickens, but I'd rather have Metcalf

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Speaker 3: We went back around, we flipped around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but we got two quality NFL right now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got our running back. We got a cornerback

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Speaker 3: Okay, Alexander learning from Cam is great. Yeah, And we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just an interesting way to look at it.

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Speaker 2: If you can't do the player for player trades it.

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Speaker 3: Now you're paying this guy, you're trading them, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, so you know the contracts have already been set

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Speaker 3: And this is nerdy, But maybe in the Jacksonville deal

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Speaker 2: You have the cap space to do it be bold. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was bold.

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Speaker 3: And where else would they have spent their money. Let's

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Speaker 2: It's a bold way to do it.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's a bold approach, and it's you know.

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Speaker 3: you signed, if you get Cup right now, the second

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Speaker 3: moves a little easier, no matter what it is. As

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Speaker 3: you have one more thing, you have a bird in

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Speaker 3: the hand, you know.

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Speaker 2: And again I'm not saying they need to do this stuff,

441
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Speaker 2: but it's just a different way to look.

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Speaker 3: At it, right, right, There's a lot of ways to

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Speaker 3: attack this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my preference would be to keep towards

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Speaker 2: Pickens and he gets yeah, throwing the ball a lot,

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Speaker 2: and he gets on board with everything.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, yeah, I mean I wouldn't argue

448
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Speaker 3: with Pickens, Cup, Austin Wilson, and that costs you nothing, right,

449
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Speaker 3: There's no shuffling or anything, you know.

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Speaker 2: So anyways, let's get to a break. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the

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Speaker 2: Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll

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Speaker 2: be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Williamson and this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio

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Speaker 2: four to six pm right here in these very airwaves.

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Speaker 3: Matt.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that being active trading for veteran

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Speaker 2: players in the draft, the draft picks, does you mentioned, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're going to use up some of your.

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Speaker 3: Cap, right, but that's what you have the most of

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Speaker 3: That's what you have. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It also it's one of the reasons I don't mind

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Speaker 2: moving back on a from a third round pick to

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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick in that as part of that deal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for next year, people.

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Speaker 2: For next year, because if you do it that way,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get compensatory picks.

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Speaker 3: Right. If your big acquisitions are in this case Kirk Metcalf,

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Speaker 3: maybe a corner or something out, it's not like you're

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Speaker 3: not gonna sign anyone from outside.

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Speaker 2: Of a barn, right, Okay, that's but you.

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Speaker 3: Have signed somebody before the draft. Probably it's some position.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not just your only free agent acquisition

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Speaker 3: probably would not be Russell Wilson, you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: you had done something, but you mentioned this off the air.

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Speaker 3: You're probably gonna lose Daniels. You're probably gonna lose more.

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Speaker 3: Those guys are gonna pay a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna lose nausey.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna lose what You're gonna lose a quarterback. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna lose nausey. And to your point, it's still you

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Speaker 3: know your thunder here. You're gonna get compects then, you know,

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Speaker 3: and which are now tradable, right, you know, it's not

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Speaker 3: like you're maybe you don't get a third they don't

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Speaker 3: hand those out easily, but you might get a fourth

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Speaker 3: round comp pick and basically just make up for it,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, you may get a couple of picks there. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a four and a six that you're then able

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Speaker 2: to move back into the third round to get somebody

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Speaker 2: that you've targeted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly. And so that's a nice way of

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Speaker 3: putting it, you know. I mean, that's if we've I

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Speaker 3: keep throwing this example. If Davante Adams gets cut and

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Speaker 3: you're gonna sign Adams or Godwin. Adams gets a nod

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Speaker 3: because you might end up getting a pick because of that,

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Speaker 3: you know, because Godwin's a free agent, right, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's a difference. And the guys we picked up to

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Speaker 3: get better at receiver help our comp game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whole reason the Ravens re signed Deontay

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Speaker 2: Johnson again after he was cut by Houston. Well, we'll

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Speaker 2: just sign him back in case.

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Speaker 3: You know, they didn't let him in the building.

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Speaker 2: I don't think probably, not right right, but they Well, now,

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Speaker 2: if somebody signs him in the off season to a decent.

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Speaker 3: Deal, we might get a comp pickback. It might be enough.

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Speaker 3: You know, it might be I doubt it, probably. I mean,

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Speaker 3: their logic is fool proof. It's not going to hurt them. No,

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Speaker 3: you know, they just had to pay for a week.

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Speaker 3: They pay him for a week, which maybe instead of

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Speaker 3: a fixed round compick they get a fifth Yeah, maybe,

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Speaker 3: who knows. But it can't hurt them, no, except for

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Speaker 3: one check. Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think they're gonna get anything out of that.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't think he's gonna sign a big deal.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either, you know, they're gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna lose some other guys too. That may you know,

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Speaker 2: some of their offensive linemen may get better deals, so

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Speaker 2: that'll factor into the equation a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But they're good with the comp game though.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they would sign nobody in free agency, which

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they can afford to do.

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Speaker 3: I would think they lose more than they gain, probably, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Probably. In fact, if you look at offseason needs here

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Speaker 2: for the other teams in the division, I'm looking here

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Speaker 2: on the thirty third team and Ian Valentino put some

535
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Speaker 2: of those together here. Looking at the Ravens their needs

536
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Speaker 2: right now. Edge rusher, which seems to be every year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's safe. Always kind of taking a step,

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Speaker 3: but there's not a difference maker. Yeah. Defensive tackle, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Jones and Matta Bouquet are pretty solid. Pearce is getting

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Speaker 3: up in age and they like to run a rotation

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Guard guard's gonna be a problem, huge problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yah, it's gonna be a.

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Speaker 2: Big They're gonna lose McCary, and I think.

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Speaker 3: That's almost guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: You know, they showed where he showed this year, and

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Speaker 2: he's allowed to get better, But he wasn't the answer. No,

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Speaker 2: he couldn't beat out for.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they'll even go high in the draft guard and

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Speaker 3: then wide receiver still and Stanley is the other one.

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Speaker 2: And they're probably gonna lose Stanley. They can't afford him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that you can don't know if he's

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Speaker 3: good enough to franchise. He does have an extensive injury history.

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Speaker 3: Then everyone, Yeah, he gets on the open market, New

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Speaker 3: England will give him money, you know, I mean someone

556
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Speaker 3: that just doesn't have any lineman.

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Speaker 2: I think Brandon Stevens is freezing for them as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen them mocked the corner with some regularity,

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Speaker 3: and I know they drafted on the first round with

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Speaker 3: this in mind. Stevens didn't have.

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Speaker 2: A very good year for him, No, he didn't.

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Speaker 3: He'll be back.

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Speaker 2: And but then you're shorting yourself there again because now

564
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Speaker 2: you it's Humphrey and Wiggins and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they'll sign somebody at some position. You're

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Speaker 3: not going to just lose. I wonder if they could

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Speaker 3: keep McCary or Stanley would still have opened a hole. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: McCary would be cheaper, and he's versatile. Yeah, he's not

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Speaker 3: that much younger than stan he's've been around for a

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Speaker 3: while and you're probably still starting for Ale then, you know, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but where do you get a left tackle if you

572
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Speaker 3: let Stanley go? I mean they don't have anything, right, yea,

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Speaker 3: I don't want McCary there. They could move Rosengarten over

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Speaker 3: and mccary's played right, is played right. I mean they

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Speaker 3: are going to draft players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, right, but it's not going to be

577
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Speaker 2: as good. I don't believe.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. Yeah, I'd consider drafting a Henry replacement

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Speaker 3: at some point too, and a running back deep draft

580
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Speaker 3: fourth round. I mean, I'm not saying it'd be Dereck

581
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Speaker 3: Henry and go to the Hall of Fame, But I mean,

582
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Speaker 3: what if Henry slows down year?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The Bengals guard, edge, rusher, safety, tight end.

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Speaker 3: I go on on on with them.

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Speaker 2: I could. I could come up with every position on defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think Henderson's gonna be back. I think

589
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Speaker 3: he's going to get traded.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's going into the last year of his

591
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Speaker 2: deal and he sat out last year.

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Speaker 3: I think he's not talking about this for a long time. Yeah,

593
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Speaker 3: they're gonna give Chase money. They might bring back Higgins,

594
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Speaker 3: but if not receivers a huge need, they don't really

595
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Speaker 3: have a tight end. To note, the O line needs

596
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Speaker 3: some work. I think their roster is in trouble a

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Speaker 3: little bit. Really. I think they have not managed it

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Speaker 3: very well.

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Speaker 4: They've been drafted well, yeah, they've missed on a lot

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Speaker 4: of the defensive guys that they've drafted the last few

601
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Speaker 4: years have have not hit.

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Speaker 3: You know, they could go tight end in the first round.

603
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Speaker 3: They could go safety, they could go everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Edge rusher, defensive tackle, anywhere across the board.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Burrow is going to have to raise all ships,

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Speaker 3: which he's capable of.

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Speaker 2: But what point does he get tired of that?

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Speaker 3: I was thinking the same thing. I've actually said that

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Speaker 3: before that, even before this Miles Garrett stuff came out,

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Speaker 3: or Brow and Chase gonna look at this thing and

611
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Speaker 3: be like, dude, we're not it's us two.

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Speaker 2: Happened to Palmer there right right. Palmer's like, look, we're

613
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Speaker 2: spending our wheels here. Yeah, you're paying me money, but

614
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Speaker 2: you're not paying anybody else, and we're not gonna win.

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Speaker 3: Even just chasing Burrow. They win the national title at

616
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Speaker 3: the National Championship at LSU come in and have early

617
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Speaker 3: success and you know, win playoff games, and now all

618
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's like it's just us two here.

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Speaker 3: I mean it could get to that point in a

620
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Speaker 3: year or so, not this often.

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Speaker 2: Well that's why he's got the Batman car. Yeah, Batman

622
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Speaker 2: and Robin. I don't know which ones which, but yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: you can bet Batman and Robbin.

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Speaker 3: That could go south for sure. I thought that for

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Speaker 3: a while. I don't think it's a great strong organization,

626
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Speaker 3: you know, in terms of roster building.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of not great organizations in terms of roster building,

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: Before you do. Yeah, there's like five guys of starting

630
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Speaker 3: defenders that are gonna get cut for the bank. They

631
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Speaker 3: are gonna have a lot of cap space, so there

632
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Speaker 3: could be changes, But I don't know. Browns are a

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Speaker 3: disaster for.

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Speaker 2: The Browns quarterback, offensive tackle, edge rusher, running back.

635
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Speaker 3: I think there'll be more defections now once Arent's get traded.

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Speaker 3: I don't see that happening quickly. I only happen quickly because.

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Speaker 2: The money is just too great. I mean they lose

638
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Speaker 2: money against the cap to trade him before the draft.

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Speaker 3: My Browns prediction is he will get traded and their

640
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Speaker 3: cap will be the worst in the history of the

641
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Speaker 3: league for this year and into other years. And I

642
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Speaker 3: think this, knowing that organization, they're going to go tank

643
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: mode to the nth degree and try to win zero

644
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: games next year and might accomplish it, might accomplish it,

645
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Speaker 3: might accomplish and just eat the cap. Being cap hell

646
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Speaker 3: this year to know, like we've never seen before, thirty

647
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Speaker 3: five million, that money on Garrett, tons On Watson. Maybe

648
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: you throw Winston out there or something like that. But

649
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: like Botonio and Ward and hey, you want them, come

650
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: get them. Just give us every draft pick we can get.

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Speaker 2: I saw something today that somebody broke it down. I

652
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Speaker 2: think it was on over the cap. That they could

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Speaker 2: make this if they just got rid of some of

654
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: the guys you talked about straight cuts and some of

655
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: them restructures and things of that nature, is the only

656
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: way that they could make it work. And that would

657
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: just get back get them back to even with the cap,

658
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: because they're in terrible shaving right now. Yeah, they're in

659
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: terrible shape.

660
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: With Garrett.

661
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to roll over the thirty million dollars

662
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: they saved this year. That gets them within ten million

663
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: dollars of the Cape. They're going to restructure Watson again,

664
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: which is insane, Which is insane.

665
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: Keep doing that.

666
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: They keep kicking the can down the road on this

667
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: and it doesn't make it any better, but they have

668
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: to do it to get CAP compliant. And then you're

669
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: you're cutting the Jack Conklin's, you're restructuring Joel, you're cutting Botonio,

670
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: You're restructure.

671
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: One that's six years or older.

672
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: Problem whyatt Teller gets restructured. And then you look at

673
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: the rest of their roster and everybody on the rosters

674
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: making two million dollars or.

675
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: Less, then it's bad.

676
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: Those guys.

677
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: You can't do anything with those guys, right, right, So

678
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: there's only a couple of guys you can go to

679
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: the back. They're a trading cooper, you.

680
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Know, and that just gets them to even after to

681
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: keep your head of after getting rid of Garrett, and

682
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: you don't have those players, and.

683
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: You know those players, and you're not going to win

684
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 3: any game.

685
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: You have a quarterback and now line now you have

686
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: to go sign Kirk Cousins because he's going to be

687
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: cheapd But does he want to go there? Does he

688
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: want to eight? Does he want to go there and

689
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: be Can he play a lick? At this point? If

690
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: you put him, especially if you put him the game

691
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: an offensive line that has no offensive tackles, you've opened

692
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: the halt guard.

693
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: Right, it's a disaster. I think that there might win

694
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: zero games next year, you know. I mean that's extreme,

695
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: but I think they might have the first pick in

696
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: the draft. I mean, they're real in a bad situation here.

697
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 3: If Garrett's not going to play for them, they're in

698
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: a bad situation. Even if Garrett does yes them and

699
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: the Saints are the worst doing it. I don't want

700
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: to be their GM.

701
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: That's why all this stuff is coming from with Garrett,

702
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: because there I saw some stories he's been sitting down

703
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: and talking with management about their future plan. How they're okay,

704
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: how are we getting out of this whole situation?

705
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, we all know the Watson deals bad.

706
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: And he is not on board to go out there

707
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: and win two games again this year.

708
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: Right and THENB thirty one before he knows it and

709
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: ship sailed no, And frankly, he shouldn't be. And from

710
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: what I understand, Brown's fans are on his side, you know,

711
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 3: like I get it. I wouldn't either, So we all know.

712
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: The Watson deal. I don't know about sports, but in

713
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: NFL history, is the worst I've ever seen. Yeah, even

714
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: if he was as good as Dak Prescott, which is

715
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: pretty good, it's still a bad deal, you know what

716
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: I mean, It's just still a bad deal. The fact

717
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: that he's horrendous makes it times a thousand, you know, like,

718
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: and he's never gonna play it, right, the fact he's

719
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: not going to play it might be a positive. It's unbelievable.

720
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: It's I mean, the old devil they did, and the

721
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: devil burned him right right right he It's no one

722
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 3: feels bad. I don't think any of the other owners

723
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: feel bad. You know, this isn't like.

724
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: I guarantee you none of the other none of the

725
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: owners feel bad. They were they were spitting nails. He

726
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: was at the owner's meetings after that deal was done.

727
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: That's the guy you're that's the guy you're going to

728
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: give guaranteed money to.

729
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: The guy who's right got all the off field stuff,

730
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: it's insane. And all the picks that they could have had,

731
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: I mean, multiple firsts, what their roster would look like,

732
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: it would be so much better.

733
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: It might take them five years from this point on

734
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: to recover from that mistake.

735
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 3: One of the few times where I think bottoming out

736
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: is your only choice.

737
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: Because you had no picks right that whole time that

738
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: you that you have, you had, but you didn't have

739
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: high picks. So you've replaced nobody of your roster is

740
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of high paid guys and a bunch of

741
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 2: guys making less than too money. There's no middle class

742
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: at all.

743
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 3: No, and so the only optimism is this upcoming draft

744
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: is the first time that you're they have like the

745
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: most draft capital of anyone in the league. Well, they're

746
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 3: picking high. They traded Cooper for a third. You could

747
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: at least say from this draft on, we're gonna build

748
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: the roster for five years from now. But they're gonna

749
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: need it everything. But they need everything, yeah, right.

750
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: Which is why they shouldn't take a quarterback this year.

751
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: No.

752
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 3: Two, No, because they're gonna be really bad.

753
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: Because that quarterback's gonna be Tim Couch in three years

754
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: from now, is going to be you know, having guys.

755
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna be seeing ghosts rushing him from the you know,

756
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: and he's in the bathroom shaving in the morning.

757
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, if you're gonna take Abdel Carter to

758
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: hopefully be your next Miles Garrett, I get that. Yeah,

759
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: that's cool. You know, if you're in trade down, you're

760
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 3: going picks for next year. It's there's like a no

761
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: win situation because I believe, like you said, the Conklands

762
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 3: and Botonio's that are getting up in age to go. Yeah.

763
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: I mean, assuming Garrett gets out of Cleveland at some point,

764
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: that's your only option. Now. I mean you at least

765
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: could have told yourself a story of we'll restructure those guys,

766
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: our defense will get back to last year Miles Garrett

767
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: to win Defensive Player of the Year, we'll sign cousins

768
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: and compete. But that would have been wrong too. This way,

769
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: I think it only leaves you one path.

770
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: It be bad, bad, bad. It just makes it all

771
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: the more baffling why they did stuff like signing Jerry

772
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: Judy to a new deal after they traded him.

773
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: He was a name I was thinking of too, Like

774
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 3: do you trade him now? That was a bad contract

775
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: to begin with, Yeah, I mean, like who else could

776
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 3: he get something for that? I mean there's not many players.

777
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: J Okay, again, if you're if you're truly not going

778
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: to be good for two years minimum, probably three or four,

779
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 3: maybe five. Who's part of the long term plans? I

780
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: think all the people part of the long term plans

781
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: are the guys you're about to draft and younger.

782
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson's cap number isn't it like eighty something? It's

783
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: seventy two point nine million dollars. Yeah, on the salary

784
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: cap next year, and he's not going to play.

785
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: He's not going to play, and if he did, it

786
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: would be bad. They're happy he's not going to play

787
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: because he stinks so bad.

788
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: Denzel Wards cap hit is twenty four point five million.

789
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: Could you get him for a seventh round pick? Yes?

790
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett's nineteen point seven million, Jack Conklin nineteen point one,

791
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: Joe Botonio fourteen point three, Wyatt Teller fourteen point one,

792
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: Greg Knewsom thirteen point three. H Jedrick Wills. It was

793
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: eleven point eight next year.

794
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: I thought he was up after this year. Oh, they

795
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: picked up his fifth year option. Yeah, bad move too.

796
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: He hardly played this year. I think he was like

797
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: I thought they were happy to have him sit out too.

798
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: Dalvin Tomlinson is eleven point four, David and Jok who's

799
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: eleven point three Jerry Judy, He's the cost is only

800
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: seven point nine. But because they just signed them, because

801
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: they just signed him, uh, Ethan Postik is seven point

802
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: seven million.

803
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Like I think that again, I've said this a million times.

804
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: I think their only path is any of those names

805
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: you just mentioned. If you want them, we have to

806
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: dump them, assuming we trade Garrett, which puts us backwards,

807
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: and therefore we're going to be the worst team in

808
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: the league. And it might not even close. It might

809
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 3: not be close. You're right, I mean, who's gonna line

810
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: up and who's gonna be your eleven? You might have

811
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: to mention when it's you might not have an offensive line, right,

812
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: I mean the hard things to fill. You better start

813
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: drafting o lineman like crazy. Now. Yeah, I mean there's

814
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: no way Nick Chubb's back or any of their UFAs.

815
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: And they already have in dead money on their roster

816
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: for next year twenty two point five million dollars for

817
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper yeah yeah, yeah, fourteen point two million dollars

818
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: for Zadarius Smith and then some other ones.

819
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: They forgot they traded him.

820
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: They have thirty nine point nine seven million dollars in

821
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: dead money for next year on their roster, nothing to

822
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: show for, nothing to show for it. And your quarterback

823
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: who's making who counts seventy two million dollars against your cap,

824
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: isn't going to play next year either, So.

825
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if it'd be like welcome in the building.

826
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: Forty percent of your cap next year is gonna be

827
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: tied up, and guys who aren't gonna play it down

828
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: for you.

829
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: Neither one of us are believers in tanking, but that's

830
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: their only option.

831
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: They'ren't even gonna be tanking.

832
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be as goods it can be, right.

833
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just what they've set themselves up for.

834
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: And it's an easy, just thing. Miles Garrett knows all this.

835
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: His agent figured all this stuff out for him and said,

836
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: and he's a smart guy anyway, He's in the locker

837
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: room every day. And Conklin goes, I'm not gonna be

838
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: here next year. Yeah, you know, well, who's gonna be about, right?

839
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 3: Tackle Nobody? Nobody right right? Dwan Jones and the couple.

840
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: I mean, even if you just look at their recent

841
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: draft again, the whole the whole organization almost starts on

842
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 3: draft day this year, and finally you actually have good picks.

843
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: But who on their first contract is worth a crapp? Right,

844
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: It's horrendous. This mean Dwan Jones, I guess is a starter.

845
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: J Okay, they haven't paid yet. Okay, I mean I'm

846
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: reaching here.

847
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: This was them going for it right, right, right, right,

848
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: going for.

849
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: It right, and even like the thorn Hills of the world,

850
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: I'm sure you could pry away from them, and you know,

851
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 3: decent starters.

852
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 2: This is the worst cap situation I've ever seen, ever.

853
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: Seen again, And that would be a little more feasible

854
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: if you hadn't given up all those first round picks

855
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: for Watson, if you at least had ten guys on

856
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 3: rookie contracts that were good players. Well, actually they have none.

857
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: So Jedrick Wills is voided, he's actually not under contract.

858
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: They just owe him eleven point eight million.

859
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 3: Say, I didn't think he's going to come back because

860
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: he basically was a healthy scratch.

861
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 2: Same thing for Jamis Winston's He's avoid on this in

862
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: two point two three million dollars.

863
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: Okay, like that, it's just the so Is Thompson Robinson

864
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: their only quarterback under contract, assuming.

865
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: That would be correct.

866
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: Yes, he might be the opening day starter on purpose

867
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 3: again to try to win zero games. It's just amazingly bad,

868
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: amazingly bad. This is a four year project, yeah, I

869
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: mean three to five. Yeah, like they I can't imagine

870
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Speaker 3: them being good in twenty twenty six. Maybe not twenty seven,

871
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Speaker 3: right right, I mean that won't be good in twenty five.

872
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Speaker 2: I mean it counts on them getting everything right.

873
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 3: Abdol Carter could be defensive Rookie of the Year and

874
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: they found a quarterback in the fifth round who's a

875
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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott and they still would stink. Yeah, I mean

876
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: who's in block four? I mean nothing. It's bad.

877
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Speaker 4: Some of the veterans are gonna be gone. Yeah, it's bad,

878
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Speaker 4: really bad. But anyways, let's get to a break.

879
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Speaker 3: He is I'd take Denzel Ward off their hands, but

880
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 3: they're not gonna make a deal with the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: No, he is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. This

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Speaker 2: is the Drive on the Steelers Audio network. Matt and

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Speaker 2: I would be back to finish up the show right

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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio, and we.

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Speaker 2: Are back Guy am Dale, Lolly. He is the Matt

889
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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt mentioned it. They're to Bob Labriola. I

890
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Speaker 2: was just starting to dig in a little bit on

891
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl here. I know, lead to the party

892
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Speaker 2: on this one, but we've been tied up with some

893
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: draft stuff here. But defense, I think when people look

894
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: at these two teams in the Super Bowl, the Eagles

895
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Speaker 2: in the Chiefs, I think, well, these are two high

896
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: flying offenses, and that's not the case. No, the Eagles

897
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: averaged twenty seven point two points per game, which is good.

898
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Speaker 2: It was seventh in the league.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs averaged twenty two point six points per game

901
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: this season, which was fifteenth, one spot ahead of the Steelers.

902
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Point two points ahead per game ahead of the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: The one thing I'll fight you on though is playoffs.

905
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 3: And really since Christmas they've been lighting people on fire.

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Speaker 2: I understand that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're a little different than ever he's got here.

908
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Speaker 2: Based on their defense. You have the number two scoring

909
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Speaker 2: defense and you have the number four scoring defense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and the offense kind of figured things. Kansas City,

911
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: Kansas City is different than every other team in the league.

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Speaker 3: They also got.

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Speaker 2: Healthy at the exactly the check go back. You finally

914
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 2: got Hollywood brown back. Like, not that they've been major producers,

915
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: but they gave you more.

916
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Speaker 3: That's what I mean by figured things out. You know,

917
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Speaker 3: like tunis now your left tackle is that perfect? No,

918
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Speaker 3: but it's not a disaster left tackle right now. Health

919
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: has been your friend. Mahomes is pretty good, Kelsey is rested,

920
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: you know, like, but that that's they have that luxury.

921
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: I mean that they not that they can put in

922
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: cruise control in the regular season, but the defense allowed

923
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Speaker 3: them to. Defense of Mahomes allowed them to kind of

924
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: put it in cruise control while they figured this other

925
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Speaker 3: stuff out. Yeah, but you're right, defense is still super important.

926
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Speaker 2: So down in my mind, I mean, we don't have

927
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Speaker 2: two of the top five scoring offenses in the Super Bowl.

928
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Speaker 2: We have two of the top five defenses in the

929
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: And one of the words you said was high flying.

931
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Speaker 3: The Chiefs are anything but high flying. I mean, they

932
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Speaker 3: are ball control.

933
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Speaker 2: It's like I saw a thing like forty throw deep

934
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Speaker 2: at all, forty percent of Mahomes throws or something along

935
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Speaker 2: those lines. We're behind the line of scrimmage.

936
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Speaker 3: I know, his deep stuff is horrible. Yeah, he throws

937
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: one of the worst deep passers in the league. It's

938
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Speaker 3: not his fault.

939
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Speaker 2: No, he throws behind the line of scrimmage more than

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Speaker 2: any quarterback in the league.

941
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Speaker 3: Everything is ball control, Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. Yeah. And the

942
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 3: Eagles they get explosives from the run game. They don't

943
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Speaker 3: get it from the pass game. So they've done things

944
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Speaker 3: different too. Yeah.

945
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Speaker 2: It just it makes me wonder. You know, the over

946
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Speaker 2: under for the Super Bowl is forty eight and a half.

947
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Speaker 2: It's a pretty big number when you've got two of

948
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Speaker 2: the top four defenses.

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Speaker 3: Is the more I think about my initial thoughts, and

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Speaker 3: I'm leaning this way too, is I think it's a

951
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Speaker 3: low scoring game. Yeah. They may be the two best

952
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators in the league. I mean, it's Fangio its bags.

953
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: These guys know what they're doing.

954
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Speaker 2: You get two weeks to get ready for it.

955
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. And you know what's interesting too, though,

956
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: is like the Eagles are the best defense in the league.

957
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 3: Had taken away the deep ball, but Kansas doesn't care.

958
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, I mean, but they're also great after

959
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Speaker 3: the catch. Kansas City does care.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, Philadelphia also has the cornerbacks to

961
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Speaker 2: get up and play press man against these guys big time.

962
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Speaker 3: And you know, like Casey's O line is in better

963
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: shape than it was, but your left guard against Milton

964
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Speaker 3: Williams is a problem. Trey Smith, who's about to become

965
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Speaker 3: the highest paid right guard in the league, almost has

966
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Speaker 3: to be alone with Jayalen Carter now, although he's sick

967
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Speaker 3: this week, Carter is, yeah, oh really, I didn't know

968
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Speaker 3: that with little illness, But yeah, it's it's it's a

969
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: good matchup. It's I think it's going to be a

970
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Speaker 3: defensive game. I've been leaning that way heavy. I mean,

971
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Speaker 3: I just trust the defenses. I trust the coordinators. Now,

972
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Speaker 3: could Mahomes figure this thing out in the fourth quarter

973
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Speaker 3: and put a seventeen points to fourth quarter? Yeah?

974
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Speaker 2: Maybe, But well that's the other thing on the other

975
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Speaker 2: side of that, though, is that Philadelphia is a ball

976
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Speaker 2: control team. They both thought they're going to run the football.

977
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a time of possession game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And a couple of things really stand out about

979
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Speaker 3: the Chiefs, Like, even during the Mahomes era, their games

980
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: average the fewest possessions of all thirty two teams, and

981
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Speaker 3: that's when they had Tyreek and they were high flying

982
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Speaker 3: part of those times. And I'm sure I don't think

983
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Speaker 3: they're gonna run the ball hardly at all. Mahomes is

984
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Speaker 3: gonna throw like crazy. But to your point, I bet

985
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Speaker 3: it's short style scrimmage. It's picking apart crosser Xavier like

986
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Speaker 3: Xavier Worthy is a vertical or a horizontal receiver. Yeah,

987
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Speaker 3: even with his speed and their ball controls this different.

988
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I think both these teams are going to

989
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: play keep away, control the football time of possession, which

990
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: just doesn't lead to a lot of points. Yes, there's

991
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: defensive scores or weird stuff, you know. So what we're

992
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: saying is play the under. That's the way I'm lying.

993
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Speaker 3: And that seems like a big number to me.

994
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it has a lot in today's NFL.

995
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 3: Mahomes hurts Barkley, you'd think points galore it that way. Yeah.

996
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: I don't either. Yeah, I don't either. But we'll see.

997
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about the game here as we get

998
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Speaker 2: closer to it. Here we have we've kind of not

999
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Speaker 2: ignored it, but we've not talked a lot about it.

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Speaker 2: I guess two weeks on it, all right, Yeah, everybody

1001
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: is talking about it here. We don't need to beat

1002
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Speaker 2: it to death.

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Speaker 3: But we just saw these teams, and everybody's seen these

1004
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: teams a lot lately. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But Matt, that's going to do it for today's show.

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Speaker 2: So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here

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Speaker 2: on site running the Justin Miller hotline, and for our

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Speaker 2: guests today Helium, Bob Labriola and the Chipmunks and the Chipmunks,

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Speaker 2: and for Tyler viitt Meyer making sure our video gets

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Speaker 2: out there onto YouTube. I am Dale, Lolly. We thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to this edition of the Drive on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network.