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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff your

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Speaker 1: weekly reminder that you should throw things at bad people sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my guest today there's James.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: James, Hi, Margaret. I'm so excited to hear what we're

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Speaker 3: throwing today.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're not even You're not like, who is it

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Speaker 1: being thrown at? Or by? You're much more interested.

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Speaker 3: In No, I throw it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for a while, I got to be the

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Speaker 3: Molotov cocktail guy on the internal, so I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: know what projectiles were using.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's no molotovs in today's story, I'm sorry to say,

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Speaker 1: there's almost everything else you could imagine throwing at a

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Speaker 1: bad person.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, are we doing throwing stars?

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Speaker 1: Ah? Well, I haven't told you what we're doing yet. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Sophie's here too. Sophie's the producer.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Sophie, Hi, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Oh James is a last name too? Out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I do. Otherwise you might think it was

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Speaker 3: like James Blunt or something. It would be tragic is

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Speaker 3: that a person doesn't know doesn't know? Yeah? Okay, so

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Speaker 3: that's a that's a pop culture reference.

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Speaker 2: Making a drug reference. It's okay, it's okay, Magpie, you're

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Speaker 2: still beautiful. You didn't get reference.

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Speaker 3: I sorry, Sophie magnificent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can have that Google afterwards. That can be

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Speaker 3: your evening Google.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: One of the best accounts on Twitter. I will say,

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Speaker 3: very very free. Okay, unfortunate Cockney rhyming slang.

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Speaker 1: But you both have drug last names stout. It's an alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a drug. Yeah yeah yeah, fair all right.

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Speaker 1: So oh and our our audio engineers Ian Hi Ian.

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Speaker 1: Everyone wants to say hi Ian and our The music

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Speaker 1: was written for us by un woman. Today we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a place. And when I described this place, James,

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Speaker 1: You're going to think it's imaginary. But it's a real place.

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Speaker 1: I double checked with a bunch of people. It's a

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Speaker 1: dreary place, a land that has cursed, one might say,

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Speaker 1: trapped beneath a perpetual layer of fog and mis class.

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Speaker 1: It's a kingdom, ancient monarch fuck with more lore written

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Speaker 1: about this kingdom than even Tolkien could have imagined. Oow okay,

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Speaker 1: and in this kingdom there's a city. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of like an on the nose steampunk place for a

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Speaker 1: while in the nineteenth century, kind of embarrassingly. So, James,

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Speaker 1: you ever heard of London?

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Speaker 3: I'm familiar. Yeah, yeah I have once or twice it

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Speaker 3: was actually England. Yeah yeah, yeah, a magical place.

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Speaker 1: I want some I don't know if I've said this

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Speaker 1: Moore about a bunch of stuff about like anarchism and fiction,

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Speaker 1: and he was like being annoyed about the v for

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Speaker 1: Vendeta movie and he was like, look, when Americans set

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Speaker 1: something in England, they're just setting it in a fantasy place. Yes,

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Speaker 1: It's like they think we still have giants. And I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are things that we do that are more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that's what I'm playing into, hopefully as

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Speaker 1: a successful joke. Today. We are going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the East End of London in particular. Okay, We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a time when a little group of

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Speaker 1: be like, wouldn't those fascists look better if we threw

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, I love it. Yes, one of my favorites

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Speaker 3: personal high point in British history. One might say, it

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Speaker 1: Yeah for everyone else. We were talking about the Battle

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's fair. And this is gonna be an

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Speaker 1: It didn't go as well that time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's like it's like high jinks and japes

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Speaker 3: but also like destroying fascism. It's great. It could only

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Speaker 1: That's true. That is absolutely true.

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Speaker 3: Other shit was happening in the nineteen thirties, which was

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Speaker 1: I will say at the top of it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: do it the right way. They signed a petition. One

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Speaker 1: is totally a thing that makes sense. They all signed

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's not an actionable piece of advice.

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Speaker 1: No, it's also not well. We'll talk about potatoes with

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Speaker 1: first let's go back in time. Cable Street is a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of history in London. So you

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Speaker 3: got a good website. It's got a really good website.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bad guy in the story also still has

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Speaker 1: a current website. We'll talk about pretty Yeah. Some people

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Speaker 1: Does England have mutual combat laws?

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Speaker 3: mutual combat in England and like to my knowledge, it's

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Speaker 3: kind of mutual combat exemptions. Just we defunded the cops

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Speaker 1: now the Hoyre is being gentrified.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people fleeing a different kind of intolerance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking cool. I love yeah.

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Speaker 1: But first fascism. Let's talk about British fascism. Oh yeah, good,

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Speaker 1: it's the nineteen thirties. Well not right now, right now

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And even though they like often claim to do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his dad sucked, so he was raised by his grandfather.

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Speaker 1: then it's like sometimes the people didn't fight back or whatever.

436
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: He just beat up poor people. That was his fucking hobby.

437
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 3: Find a drunk guy and beat the shit out of him.

438
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah what a tssa.

439
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fortunately World War One pulled him off of beating

440
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 1: up poor people duty and into flying an airplane. He

441
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: got a sea, got poor people at range. Yeah, different, Yeah, totally.

442
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: He got a sexy war wound. Have you heard about

443
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: how he got his sexy war wound in his limb?

444
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: No?

445
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 1: No, well he crashed his plane while literally just trying

446
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 1: to show off for his mom.

447
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 3: Amazing, whoa there he is, fucking master race. Yeah, it's

448
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 3: they're always such fucking clowns.

449
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: I know.

450
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's probably some gender stuff to explore about,

451
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: like these unfulfilled men.

452
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so Oswald Mosley is a fascist fascist. He

453
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: coined the phrase socialistic imperialism in nineteen eighteen. This is

454
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: before he was a fascist. He was just a socialistic imperialist.

455
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: That one could go either way. I could see that

456
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: one going east of the eurs as well.

457
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: And so his particular branch of nationalism was this. And

458
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: it makes sense to me because if you're gonna be

459
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: a British nationalist, I guess you have to be an

460
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: imperialist right.

461
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that point in time. Already, at any point

462
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 3: in time, they still do it. And yeah, I'm sure no, yes,

463
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: and I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, but I

464
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: wonder if he was a racist, he was really really

465
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 3: fucking racist. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and it we'll continue.

466
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: Even after he stopped technically being a fascist, he pretty

467
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: much moved to just like racism. Yeah yeah, yeah, for

468
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 3: decades he gets popping up doing racisms. Yeah.

469
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. He won his first seat when he was twenty

470
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: two because he came back like a war hero, right,

471
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: and he actually he did like fight in some battles.

472
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: He didn't just crash a plane. But he won his

473
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: first seat at twenty two on Parliament because also there

474
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: was this thing after World War One where basically there

475
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: was like I don't quite understand, but they kind of

476
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: like sent around a list that was like here are

477
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the war hero people on the ballot, and so they

478
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: were the only people got voted for.

479
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Britain was also the just population was decimated.

480
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: I guess, so you had relatively fewer people, yeah, people

481
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: of privileged yeah, people of like young wealthy men did

482
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: die a lot in World War One. Okay, like because

483
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: they they were junior officers, and junior offices tended to

484
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 3: last like a few days in certain battles. So then

485
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 3: you get like the people who are like both like

486
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 3: coming back from the war didn't totally fucking embarrass themselves

487
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: and are presumably aligned with the Tories or whatever party

488
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: like that becomes a smaller constituency and then.

489
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did start the conservative parties of the Tories, right, yes, yeah, yeah,

490
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: he started off as a Tory and no, and that

491
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: all makes sense, and honestly, possibly the reason he survived

492
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: the war is after he got his sexy war wound limp,

493
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: he ended up like with a desk job like helping

494
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: ammunitions move around. But again, he has fought in more

495
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: wars than battles than I have. I wish he had

496
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: been killed in them, but whatever.

497
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

498
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: So then he married a more important lady and then

499
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: immediately cheated on her with her sister and her stepmother.

500
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 3: Woh, yeah, yeah, I forget about this, but he's just

501
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: so gross. Yeah I've forgotten completely about that.

502
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and he had like married up, right, he

503
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: had like fucking yeah, maybe I coudn't soft paranet or whatever.

504
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: The I don't know, but he switched to Labor in

505
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four, and actually, interestingly he switched to Labor

506
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: I believe because he supported Irish independence, and I didn't

507
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: do a deeper research into this, and basically he also

508
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: switched because he figured they were going to do better electorally.

509
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: Is the cynical version I've read, And there's nothing that

510
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: I've read that has made me think that cynicism isn't

511
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: the right way to approach his beliefs. He declared himself

512
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: a man of the people, and there was a big

513
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: general strike in the UK and in nineteen twenty six,

514
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: and he paid striking miners out of pocket to be like,

515
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: I'm a man of the people or whatever. I'll use

516
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: my end. When I say out of pocket, I mean

517
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: with the money that had been extracted from the working

518
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: class over the course of centuries through the system of

519
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: British nobility, and the way he was planning to support

520
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: all of these good working conditions he'd push forward home

521
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: was literally I mean, it was like a stated plan

522
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: as we just get that by exploiting the colonies, that's

523
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: what the colonies are for.

524
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: That's your socialistic IMPERATIVESM is it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great cool.

525
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty one, the Great Depression was raging, he

526
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: resigned from the Labor Party. Slash was kicked out at

527
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: the same time, and he formed the quote New Party.

528
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: And the New Party had one particular thing about it,

529
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: which is that no one wanted to vote for it,

530
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: so it never went strategy. Yeah, and it also split

531
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: the Labor vote and like led to a conservative government

532
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, which whatever. He's as close to that as

533
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: he has to anything else, you know. Yeah. Yeah, he

534
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: visited Mussolini and he was like, oh, this rules, this

535
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: is the fucking way to go. So in October nineteen

536
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: thirty two, he launched yet another political party, the British

537
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: Union of Fascists the BUFF. I promised at the top

538
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: of this I think before we had record, that I

539
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: was going to include because we're talking about buffs, the hiking.

540
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: FDA.

541
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing you wear on your neck.

542
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, a snood is a word I think, Oh that

543
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: also makes sense. Yeah, I might be wrong on that one.

544
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he forms the Snood and the nude is

545
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: heavily funded by Mussolini, at least according to one source.

546
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: I actually had trouble sourcing that part of it. It

547
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: is also heavily funded by his richness of being nobility,

548
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: that one is easier to prove. I mean, the thing

549
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I read was like it wasn't like this is contentious,

550
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: It just was like, this is how it was funded.

551
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

552
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I also read that the Nazi Party was fundiness later,

553
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: so I don't fuck know. He was getting money from

554
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: not from fascists. And the important thing to hear is

555
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: to understand how bad do you have to fuck up

556
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: to name your fascist party something that sounds dumb buff Yeah, like, okay, Nazis.

557
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: It's a union of fascists too, Like like he brought

558
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: together all the fascists from different tendencies, Yeah, to come

559
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: together for the great good of fascism.

560
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: That was kind of his vibe. That was what he

561
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: was trying to do. Yeah, yeah, the greater good of

562
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: making him the dictator. But like Nazis and the Falange Right,

563
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: those are evil groups with evil sounding names, but they're

564
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: like catchy evil in the sounding names. Like imagine making

565
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: a video game where the baddies were called the buff

566
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: But to be fair, he had supporters called the black Shirts,

567
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: which is a good enough name for a video game.

568
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: Battie.

569
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, officially this was the Fascist Defense Force, but no

570
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: one called them that. Everyone called them the black Shirts

571
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: because they wore uniforms of black shirts. It was very literal.

572
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: So he's a fascist now. He's got real simple quotes

573
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: like fascism can and will win Britain. He gave speeches

574
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: and he especially like to quote enemy of the Pod

575
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Oliver Cromwell, the guy who did a genocide on Ireland

576
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: a while back.

577
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, least least cool person ever to kill a monarch.

578
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I know everybody's listens this know that I'm mad. I

579
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: get about the fact that England overthrew a king and

580
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: it was bad. How bad?

581
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

582
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know as an English person that did the like,

583
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: did the instincts to like include a picture of Charles King,

584
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: Charles being executed, like, but then the counterbalanced by the

585
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: fact that what came after, which was equally fucking bad.

586
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's very challenging for me. Yeah, it makes

587
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: Twitter difficult. I just flipped the flipped the profile picture

588
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: upside down. It works every time.

589
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it makes sense. Yeah yeah, so in obvious Again,

590
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: it seems obvious in retrospect that this guy lost because

591
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: Fascism didn't take England, but there was no reason that

592
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: that was the way it was going to work out,

593
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: except of course, that immigrants and the their children had

594
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: been beating the shit out of his fanboys, working with

595
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: a solidarity that they had built from generations of self

596
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: organized class struggle. That is my argument about why fascism

597
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: did not take England.

598
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens true.

599
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: Moseley had his fans. There's a newspaper called The Daily Mail.

600
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, which luckily no longer exists and has since stopped

601
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: doing fascist shit entirely.

602
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally is the largest, the most subscribed newspaper in

603
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, I believe.

604
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, credible dogship population.

605
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: They really liked him. It was owned by a guy

606
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: named Lord Rothermere, because the UK is a silly place.

607
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: Edward the Eighth, the future very short tenure King of England,

608
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: also really liked him and was like, man, you'd be

609
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: such a good Prime minister. Moseley wound up with fifty

610
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: thousand supporters members by nineteen thirty four and his star

611
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: was on the rise. But well, fascist was growing all

612
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: over Europe, so it was anti fascism. Anti fascism had

613
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: always been tied into larger social struggle beyond just anti fascism, right,

614
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: because it's all one thing. And in the East End,

615
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: it was cheap to live there, but it was not

616
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: cheap enough for the destitute immigrant families in the Great Depression,

617
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: So there was this there's a lot of evictions. So

618
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: there was this really vibrant activist scene that did aviction defense,

619
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: and I believe it was centered around the local branch

620
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: of the growing Communist Party, which was also seen as

621
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: star Rise at the same time, kind of countering mostly

622
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: and the Communist Party is going to come up a

623
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, both kind of not good and

624
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: bad but good and like, eh, why'd you do that?

625
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: Chucking?

626
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, must pay, yeah exactly. And they did a lot

627
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: of eviction defense, and they actually even once defended a

628
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: fascist sympathizing family from eviction. Their argument was, look, we

629
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: hate them as Fascis sympathizers, but that's our problem to

630
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: deal with as the working class. You fucking cops, stay

631
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: the fun out of it.

632
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice.

633
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: And I actually think it was largely that kind of attitude,

634
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: even though it's like real messy that particular action, it

635
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: was largely that attitude that kept fascism from taking hold

636
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: of the East End, like mostly spent years trying to

637
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: do right. And I don't have a clever transition here

638
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: from talking about anti fascism to having people advertise things

639
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: to you, the listener.

640
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: So anti fascism makes when you buy stuff, That's what

641
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: I've learned.

642
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: Well, there is that weird, complicated thing where like a

643
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: lot of fascists hate capitalism too, and a lot of

644
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: capitalists hate fascists, and it's just a weird three way fight.

645
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a situation which he's red ofvant today.

646
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though capitalism creates the fascism, the conditions under

647
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: which fascism thrives. So here's a indication of the fact

648
00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: that capitalism is currently the dominant social structure. And we're back.

649
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: So in nineteen thirty four, the Black Shirts and the

650
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: buff not in the buff they are always wearing their uniforms.

651
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: They decided to hold their big that's the hopefully that's

652
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: the only time I make naked fascist jokes. A little

653
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Speaker 1: bit embarrassed. They were going to hold their biggest rally

654
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: ever at a place called Olympia. And I'm curious about

655
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: this the way that it's never like Olympia Hall, or

656
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: like Olympia yeah whatever, yeah, And I'm like, I don't know,

657
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: it's a big convention center or whatever the fuck that.

658
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: And people in England think it only needs to name Olympia,

659
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: while to me, of course, the word Olympia conjures up

660
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: a curse city nestled on the west coast of the

661
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: US where it rains all the time, and people were

662
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: mean to me once. But Mosley Ran has his rally

663
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: at the other Olympia, which also clearly is a fascism problem,

664
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: because ten thousand fascists came to see their man give

665
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: a talk. Only it was actually nine thousand, five hundred fascists,

666
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: because five hundred of them were undercover anti fascists. And

667
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a lose the battle to win

668
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: the war moment. One of the undercover anti fascists was

669
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: occasional cameo of the pod Alvis Huxley, author Brave New

670
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: World in Ireland.

671
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: Yep, Georgia was English teacher.

672
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh that makes a lot of sense. I didn't know that.

673
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

674
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: That makes so much sense. So five hundred anti fascists

675
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: are at this rally and they just take turns interrupting him,

676
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: so he wasn't able to talk. And in the short

677
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: term this worked out really badly for the anti fascists.

678
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Dozens of them were beat to unconsciousness. But this trashed

679
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: the buff The violence turned people away from the fascists

680
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: and the anti fascists. This had been their goal all along.

681
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: It was like, we're going to interrupt it, but we're

682
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: also going to basically.

683
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, well you show the violence of the thing, right.

684
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: People don't seem to understand that fucking rehetoric is violent. Yeah.

685
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: When you punched so many in the face, it's easier

686
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: for them to get it into the old skull.

687
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so the image of women being carried out,

688
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: bloody and unconscious did and play well for the cameras

689
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: the BBC band Moseley. Newspapers were like, we don't know

690
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: this guy. One journalist was like, quote, it was like

691
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: quote seeing the beast unchained. Let's check in with what

692
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail had to say about it. Quote. If

693
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: the Black Shirts movement had any need of justification, the

694
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: Red Hooligans savagely and systematically tried to wreck Sir Oswald.

695
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Moseley is huge and magnificently successful meeting at Olympia last

696
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: night would have supplied it. They got what they deserved.

697
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Olympia has been the scene of many assemblies and many

698
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: great fights, but never had it offered to the spectacle

699
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: of so many fights mixed up with a meeting.

700
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love to get my us from the Daily Mail,

701
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: a website with no bias.

702
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So of the fucking Buffs membership dropped out.

703
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: It was too intense, it was too violent. It wasn't

704
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: just that the public popular support was gone, but all

705
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: of the like, oh, I don't know, let's see what

706
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: these fascists have to say. People were like, oh, what

707
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: the fuck, right, because we look at it now and

708
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: like the word fascist is like, oh, Nazis, Holocaust, et cetera. Right, Yeah,

709
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: whereast the time, it was like Nazis the Holocaust is

710
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: an obvious thing that will happen as a result of

711
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: the things that they say, but you don't have the proof.

712
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: Right, And like capitalism is like on its ass in

713
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties, right, Like people can't feed themselves, but

714
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: they're fucking living in Hooverville's in America, you know, Like

715
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: it's not like and capitalism in America is segregated and

716
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: black people are being lynched, and so like, it's easy

717
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 3: to see why people were like, oh what else is

718
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: there available?

719
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, And so most people left. But what was

720
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: left was a hardcore, violent base who was more there

721
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: for the hate right instead of like there to be

722
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: like maybe this will fix Britain. It was like, yeah,

723
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: let's fuck some people up. We hate everyone. So he

724
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: decided to start pandering to the base. He got more

725
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: and more anti semitic. He was never pro semitic. I

726
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe that's not the right word to use.

727
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: He was never not anti semitic. But this is where

728
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: he goes like all out and he just starts publishing

729
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: all kinds of vile shit, very Britain for the British,

730
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: never mind actual history about how Britain was formed. And

731
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: so now is this hardened base. His new thing is

732
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: hate crimes and the advocacy thereof. So he'd figure he'd

733
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: go to the immigrant neighborhood and build his base of

734
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: power there, not just because that's where the enemy is,

735
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: but because that's where he thinks he can find people

736
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: to like say, hey, these people of the reason you're poor,

737
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he got a bit of a foothold

738
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: in the East End by going on about how Jews

739
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: are taking your jobs or whatever. Literally nothing changes except

740
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: names and locations. But even there he wasn't doing that

741
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: well because of three main forces that have a lot

742
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: of Venn diagram stuff going on, because all of these

743
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: forces overlap with each other, and this is the larger

744
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: picture of British in go ahead.

745
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 3: I love a diagram in a podcast.

746
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, just it. Yeah, it's easy. First and foremost,

747
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: there's the Jewish People's Council against Fascism and Anti Semitism

748
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: the JPC, and this is a collection of eighty six

749
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: different organizations and they're organizers shit, and they are going

750
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: to do most of the work of everything that we're

751
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: going to talk about today. Then there's the Communist Party,

752
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: which in Stepney is mostly Jewish and it does unite

753
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different parts of the working class across

754
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: the country. And then there's the broader just working class

755
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: organized but kind of culturally and subculturally, right. And you've

756
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: got a few different independent labor movements, and you've got

757
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: like the Independent Labor Party, which I think, and you've

758
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: got a couple other things going on, right, And it's

759
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: hard to really piece these out because later the Communist

760
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: Party is just going to take credit for everything that happened.

761
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: But those are the three groups. Two groups in a

762
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: non group. The fascists tried to recruit using their classic method,

763
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: lie about who is hurting poor white people, then recruit

764
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: people to do violence to minorities. They wanted to control

765
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: the streets and therefore the culture, and they'll figure out

766
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: the political part later. So the black Shirts start roaming

767
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: around the East End, jumping anyone who looked Jewish, and

768
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: people start organizing against them rather successfully. There's a story

769
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: told by a veteran of Cable Street, Bill Fishman. He

770
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: was in some kind of group for young leftists and

771
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: time before Cable Street. He was walking with an Irish

772
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: Catholic boxer who could be mistaken for Jewish. Some black

773
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: Shirts called out jew bastard, because they're very clever, you know. Yeah,

774
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: So the boxer walked up to the leader, didn't say anything,

775
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: just broke the guy's nose, blood port everywhere, and the

776
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: black Shirts all fled.

777
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's how you debate a fascist.

778
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it worked, you know. Yeah, Like, let's all

779
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: run away because one guy punched our leader in the nose,

780
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, it is an ideology book for cowards. Yes,

781
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: groups of Irish dockers started organizing alongside the Jewish community

782
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: to defense synagogues in this part fucking rules, and like

783
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: I just I love everything about it. I mean, I

784
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: don't love the fucking fascists, right, but I love watching

785
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: people take them down. Black Shirts were waiting outside synagogues

786
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: to jump Jewish people, so their allies would show up

787
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: and wait outside and guard. And the Communist Party was

788
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: no slouches when it came to fighting fascists. In nineteen

789
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: thirty three, at the Battle of Stockton, the Communist Party

790
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: and the National Unemployed Workers Movement outnumbered and beat the

791
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: hell out of some buff guys. Maybe they weren't so

792
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: buff after all. And there's my second buff joke.

793
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep them cuming, all right.

794
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: And in this particular battle, an anti fascist grandmother bit

795
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: a CoP's hand down to the bone. Oh what a hero,

796
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: I know.

797
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Why do we put the queen out of money

798
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: when we have options like this?

799
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: I know? And this the Battle of Stockton slashed the

800
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: grandmother biting a cop down to the bone, ended BUFF

801
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: organizing in Stockton. One of his commanders quit and took

802
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people with him and joined like a

803
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: center right party, I believe, and the buff literally skipped town,

804
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: moved their regional headquarters to a different town. And because

805
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: nothing ever changes, by and large, the fascists actually bust

806
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: in their members around from a the country to each

807
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: of these things, whereas the anti fascists, who outnumbered and

808
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: beat them up, just drew from the local population each time.

809
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, because noble one says shit in that neighborhood.

810
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. In Worthing in nineteen thirty four, two thousand anti

811
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: fascists fought nine hundred fascists at the fascist rally, and

812
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: anti fascists sang the song John Brown's Body, which is

813
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: a union song against slavery from the American Civil War

814
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: that's come up in a couple different episodes as an

815
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: anthem of different parts of the anti racist working class.

816
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: Mosley himself threw down in that fight and got arrested.

817
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: The fascists were run out of town, and then there

818
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: were suddenly no more fascist rallies in Worthing. Later, some

819
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: fascists tried to have a fascist rally in worthing and

820
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: one of them was literally thrown into the sea.

821
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: Amazing, that's how you get it.

822
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, in London, Mosley needed the East End. It wasn't

823
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: just I want to go antagonize Jewish people there. It

824
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: was I need to stir up the fear against the other.

825
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: And that's the only place in England that I can

826
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: effectively do that, right, that is like the main place

827
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: that migrant communities are coming in. So he fought like

828
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: hell to try and take it. He's gonna lose. He

829
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: decided what he needed was a big, spectacular march, a

830
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: big show of power. He needed to like physically take

831
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: the East End. So he organized a march. He spent

832
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: nine months planning it, leaflitting the area, putting up graffiti

833
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: that said Parish Judah basically kill the Jews. Yeah, and

834
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: then all of the graffiti, I'm going to talk about

835
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: all the slogans. It's actually like an era before spray paint,

836
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: so it's whitewash. Everyone's going around with like buckets and

837
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: fucking dollars and shit and in this case beating people up.

838
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: The political elite are like, well, we better just let

839
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: him hold his march.

840
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Freedom of speech is very important. Yeah.

841
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: The labor part is spineless in this, and they're like,

842
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: don't go counter protest. That would be bad. And so

843
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: does the assimilationist part of the Jewish community, who skewed wealthier,

844
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: longer established, and less radical. Yeah. The paper of the

845
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: Jewish Chronicles said, quote, Jews are urgently warned to keep

846
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: away from the root of the black Shirt march and

847
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: from their meetings. Jews who, however, innocently become involved in

848
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: any possible disorders will be actively helping anti semitism and

849
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: jew baiting, unless you want to help the jew baiters

850
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: keep away new Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't work out that way, no, fortunately,

851
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: Oh and so and assimilations Jews were in particular, they're

852
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: interested in keeping Jewish women away because there was respectability politics,

853
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: tours to politic and in Victorian anti semitism, it associated

854
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: immigrant Jews with prostitution. So there's warnings against women hanging

855
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: out at night or dyeing their hair or going to meetings.

856
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: But no one wanted to listen to the political elite,

857
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: so people got ready to fight instead, which we'll hear

858
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: about in part two. Yeah, and what else people can

859
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: hear about sooner than that. It's you, James Stout, they

860
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: can yeah, lucky them.

861
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: So yeah, me, I know, I did a series about

862
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: the Border, which is something I care about very greatly

863
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 3: because it is a bad thing, and that was on

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