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Speaker 1: And welcome to Tuesday's this You're a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: Live here on Giants dot com. So glad you could

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Speaker 1: join us alongside Jeff Feagles. I'm Lance Meado with you

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Speaker 1: for the next sixty minutes. Two zero one five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. You could also chime in

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Speaker 1: via Twitter hashtag Giants Chat. We're gonna be hearing from

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Speaker 1: new Giants safety Antoine Bethet in a little bit, so

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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to that. But let's start Jeff with

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Speaker 1: the news of the day, and that is that Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman yesterday spoke to the media. He had a conference

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Speaker 1: call with reporters and he made the rounds with multiple

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Speaker 1: radio interviews and this was the first time that he

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Speaker 1: spoke since the Odell Beckham trade. And before we get

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Speaker 1: to that, just want to remind you Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: a few more details as to the timeline Jeff leading

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Speaker 1: up to the Odell Beckham trade, and what he had

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Speaker 1: mentioned is that the Giants were not shopping Odell Beckham,

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Speaker 1: they were fielding offers because teams were calling and they

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Speaker 1: were interested, and it got to the point where Cleveland

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Speaker 1: made an offer in their minds that they couldn't refuse,

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Speaker 1: which was ultimately the deal. And he only said that

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Speaker 1: when Buffalo there were rumors that they were inching closer

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Speaker 1: if you were called to a deal with Antonio Brown

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers and that fell through. He then called

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Speaker 1: up Brandon Bean because Brandon Bean was an assistant GM

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Speaker 1: under Ghettoman in Carolina and sort of gave him a

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Speaker 1: hard time, Well, if you're going after Antonio Brown, do

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Speaker 1: you perhaps have any interest in Odell Beckham. That was

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Speaker 1: the gist of him pursuing teams. Everything else was then

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Speaker 1: receiving the calls and determining whether or not it was

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Speaker 1: the right move to make. Yeah, and evidently they got

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Speaker 1: what they wanted because O'Dell is not here. And um

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Speaker 1: I did reach some of the transcripts of that interview,

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Speaker 1: and one thing that I thought was right on a

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Speaker 1: couple of things. Number one is that if you are

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Speaker 1: the guy that's that's asking for the trade, you automatically

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Speaker 1: are getting are going to get less than if you

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Speaker 1: were just sitting back listening, because you don't exactly so

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Speaker 1: that's that was the point you were making. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they made one attempt and that was with the Bills,

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Speaker 1: and then they just sat back and started listening to

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Speaker 1: what was going on, and um, the Cleveland Browns, well, listen,

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Speaker 1: they came through and gave him what they thought was enough.

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Speaker 1: And I think he also said that, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you talk about Odell Beckham a year ago and franchising him,

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Speaker 1: did somebody to come after him and get him would

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Speaker 1: have been two first round draft picks. In essence, they

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Speaker 1: got more than that, because they're saying they got the

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Speaker 1: bro Preppers, and they got a third round pick. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the thinking abound. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's listen, it's it's one of those things where it

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Speaker 1: was too good for them to pass up. Um. I

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Speaker 1: believe that a lot of times in these situations, teams

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Speaker 1: and for the team. Um, sometimes it's it's time, it's

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Speaker 1: time to move on, and we got what we what

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Speaker 1: we feel is is good and maybe it's better for

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Speaker 1: both sides that just an amicable split. See you later,

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Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And he also mentioned you

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Speaker 1: can't evaluate a trade in fairness, Jeff until we see

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Speaker 1: how things play out. Well, you know what, you can't.

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Speaker 1: But who who who? What's gonna that That sev pick

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Speaker 1: I don't know, So you're right, we can't really speculate

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Speaker 1: on what it is until it's something like this happens.

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Speaker 1: Ja Bill Peppers. If he comes and plays as good

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Speaker 1: as Landon Collins did the last four years and goes

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Speaker 1: I think that they did pretty good well. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ, and that is none other than Antoine Biffet. Antoine,

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Speaker 1: you got Lance Meadow Jeff Feagles with you here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot Com Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time,

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Speaker 1: how's everything today? Everything was going to appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: having absolutely Well, you are one of the newest members

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Speaker 1: But Antoine, why was this an ideal fit as you

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Speaker 1: more importantly, on the field, you know that position, uh

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Speaker 1: You gotta line guys up. Um. I think that's one

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Speaker 1: though you didn't play in the system, you know his

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Speaker 1: I've been I've been in this league going on fourteen years.

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Speaker 1: UM defenses or defenses, Yeah, I mean three four or

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing is just learning the terminology again. UM.

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Speaker 1: Is you're gonna be able to play along Jabriel Peppers.

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Speaker 1: You know he's a local guy from around here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: my son's played high school football around here, and you

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what. Not only was he on defense,

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Speaker 1: he got the Cleveland. Um, like you said, very versatile.

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Speaker 1: I had. I played a few years in the league,

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Speaker 1: so I know fourteen is a long time. UM. I

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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of things you do once you

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Speaker 1: hit your thirties. UM, tell us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: how you know, how you are so successful being on

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about how you take care

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Speaker 1: long as you have. Man, I just think this, UM,

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Speaker 1: it's a year round process. You know, you the old season,

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Speaker 1: it's really not all so um like you said, you know,

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Speaker 1: your p'st ability is your available. So I got that.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, keep that close to my heart. And UM,

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Speaker 1: together and they have some history together, it's just picks

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Speaker 1: right up and that and that that and that enthusiasm

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Speaker 1: and the way that they play. It's contagious to the

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Speaker 1: younger guys, which you had mentioned, how do you bring

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Speaker 1: this to these younger guys? It will automatically get there.

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Speaker 1: Once the O, T A S and and mini camps

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff starts, especially training Camp two, that

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Speaker 1: defense is going to start to play a little bit

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Speaker 1: better and they can. Of course, you know they're gonna

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Speaker 1: work it through the draft this year too. There's gonna

436
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Speaker 1: be some there's gonna be a couple of playmakers in

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Speaker 1: this draft. We know the Giants are gonna draft a

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Speaker 1: couple of good defensive players and they need to nail it.

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Speaker 1: They really do well. And this even relates to Jeff

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Speaker 1: your experience, even though you're on special teams in terms

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Speaker 1: of when you work with players more often than not,

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Speaker 1: when you're then studying film, you could tap back into

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Speaker 1: I'm sure previous experiences I remember it correctly. If I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: didn't you tell me when you started to work with

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Speaker 1: a new long snapper and it was a lefty spin

446
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Speaker 1: and it was a little bit different, took some adjustment.

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Speaker 1: Right now, now, I'm not saying it exactly relates to

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen when Antoine but Take comes in.

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Speaker 1: But if you have that experience and you now work

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Speaker 1: with another long snapper, you can at least remember, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is what we did when it thrown into a

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Speaker 1: new player, So now this is what we worked on

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Speaker 1: during practice and so forth. No question, I think that

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Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of an extension of the coaching

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Speaker 1: staff on the field, and that's that's that's an important thing.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the safety position, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back just four years ago, Landon Collins was a

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Speaker 1: young guy. The Giants have experimented with young safeties for

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Speaker 1: the last four or five years and they have struck out.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do. You go and you get

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Speaker 1: a guy that's been in the league, has been a

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Speaker 1: Pro bowler, has been a Super Bowl champion, and also

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Speaker 1: has played in a system that your defensive coordinator is running.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense to you. Plus you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know the numbers, what he signed for and this and that,

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Speaker 1: but I would imagine that it's not going to cost

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Speaker 1: the team a whole lot of money. So it's a

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Speaker 1: very in my opinion, it's a good it's a good acquisition.

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Speaker 1: And of course your Bill Preppers came with the biggest

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Speaker 1: acquisition in Giants history that went down a few days ago.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. But I agree with you Lance when

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Speaker 1: you say we cannot talk about this until any of

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Speaker 1: this stuff comes to fruition and this defense plays better

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Speaker 1: than they did last season. Well, you don't know what

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Speaker 1: those draft picks are gonna become. They're gonna use those

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Speaker 1: draft picks on players, and then you have to see

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Speaker 1: how those players pan out. It's just like Jeff when

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Speaker 1: the Eli Manning Philip Rivers trade occurred. The minute it happened,

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Speaker 1: you couldn't evaluate. You had to see how the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: gonna play out what happens with those other picks on

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Speaker 1: Merriman and so forth. So all of that is relative

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Speaker 1: in the conversation, and you know, you hit on an

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Speaker 1: important note that I wanted to piggyback off of before

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Speaker 1: we open up the phone lines, and it was contract value.

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Speaker 1: And that's something that Dave Gentleman spoke to on the

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Speaker 1: conference call with reporters, and then when he spoke to

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Speaker 1: Bob Popa, which is an interview that was posted on

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Speaker 1: giants dot comment, what he mentioned is when you evaluate

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Speaker 1: Landing Collins and if you were to give him the

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Speaker 1: franchise tag, what you're talking about eleven twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And then to your point, you then factor in getting

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Speaker 1: Antoine Bethet's contract and Jabril Pepper's Jeff who's on a

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Speaker 1: rookie deal. You're essentially getting two safeties for even less

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Speaker 1: the amount of money that you would have paid land

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Speaker 1: In Collins for at least one year, assuming you didn't

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Speaker 1: get a long term deal done. And that's something that

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Speaker 1: always has to be factor and it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: reflection of Landed Collins not being a good player. It's

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Speaker 1: when you have to manipulate the cap Jeff, and you

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Speaker 1: have holes on defense and you have holes on offense.

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Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself as a front office executive,

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Speaker 1: do I lock up the bulk of my cap Jeff

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Speaker 1: with five or six players which the Giants were faced with,

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Speaker 1: or do I free up enough room and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: now we've addressed seven or eight other positions for the

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Speaker 1: amount of money that we may have had tied up

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Speaker 1: with two or three guys. Well, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: that's what Day was alluding to. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, when

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Speaker 1: he was telling you about how he has a plan

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Speaker 1: and how we have certain roster's spots that we we

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Speaker 1: have to address. But when you have a cap problem,

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Speaker 1: if you will and you know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they want to call it a problem, but you don't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of money left, you have to address

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Speaker 1: it through rookie contracts. Okay, Now, don't be surprised in

516
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Speaker 1: my mind if the Giants don't go and draft another

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Speaker 1: safety this year, because remember, Jabrill Preppers is in the way.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be there before Antoine Pathea. He'll he'll outlast

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Speaker 1: Antoine Pathea. Try, so you gotta kind of start training

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Speaker 1: somebody behind Jabrill Preppers to be either strong or free,

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Speaker 1: which are depending on where they're gonna put them. And

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Speaker 1: then so so yeah, and but again, now if you

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Speaker 1: draft a safety, let's say, now you've got three players

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Speaker 1: probably for the same still less than what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: play pay Landing Collins. So yeah, this is an economics

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Speaker 1: of football. Okay, a lot of times people don't get it.

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Speaker 1: People don't want to understand it because they just fell

528
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Speaker 1: in love with the player that they cut and they

529
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Speaker 1: don't care about anything else. It's an emotional day for

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Speaker 1: somebody that when they lose their one of their best

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Speaker 1: players that they they followed the you have to understand

532
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Speaker 1: the economics in the in the business of National Football League.

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Speaker 1: It works this way. It's it's always gonna happen. It's

534
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Speaker 1: always gonna have to be this way. Well, and a

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Speaker 1: great parallel here, not to get completely off topic, but

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Speaker 1: news broke before we came on, Jeff, and we were

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Speaker 1: even talking about it in passing that the Angels just

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Speaker 1: gave Mike Trout a monster contract. Right, He's getting over

539
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars twelve years. And you look at

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Speaker 1: that and you have to understand, See, that's the biggest

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Speaker 1: difference between Major League Baseball and the National Football League Jeff,

542
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Speaker 1: major League Baseball doesn't have a salary cap. If your

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Speaker 1: owner's got deep pockets, you can go and throw that

544
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Speaker 1: money against the wall and see if it will stick

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Speaker 1: with a player, Bryce Harper Manny Machado. We're talking about

546
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Speaker 1: two other players over three hundred million dollars in value

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Speaker 1: of contracts. The NFL same, Yeah, it's very similar. I

548
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Speaker 1: mean even the NBA is on a different wavelength. There's

549
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Speaker 1: a cap, but it's not a hard cap. You can

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Speaker 1: go into the luxury tax if your owners got deep pockets.

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Speaker 1: The NFL, it's a hard cap. There's a straight line.

552
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Speaker 1: Everybody has a fit under that line. So therefore, you

553
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: have to be very savvy and economical in terms of

554
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Speaker 1: how you delegate your resources. And that's what Dave Gettleman

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Speaker 1: is emphasizing in some of the moves he made. Yes,

556
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Speaker 1: they've parted ways with notable names, productive players. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody's gonna disagree with that. But just like the

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, Jeff and I pointed this out on Twitter

559
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Speaker 1: when I was having a conversation with somebody. Remember they

560
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Speaker 1: had the Legion of Boom and they had the Richard

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Speaker 1: Sherman's and the Earl Thomas's and the camp chancellors of

562
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Speaker 1: the Brandon Browners, and all of them were great value. Right.

563
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Speaker 1: Some of them were drafted, some of them were late pick,

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Speaker 1: some of them were early picks, some of them were undrafted.

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Speaker 1: But then it got to a point, Jeff, little by little,

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Speaker 1: you gotta give camp chance or a contract. You gotta

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Speaker 1: give Earl Thomas a contract, you gotta pay Richard Sherman.

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Speaker 1: And you get to the point, if you're John Schneider,

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks general manager, can't afford everybody that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a good one. I may adopt that Russell Wilson's got

571
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Speaker 1: to get a deal an offensive line, running back, linebackers,

572
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman. So you take all that againsieration they had

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Speaker 1: to sacrifice plays. The Giants are no different. They're not

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Speaker 1: operating on an island. And and this is what I

575
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: get personally frustrated with. Fans are short for fanatical. We

576
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Speaker 1: understand that, Jeff, but there's a lot of Giants fans

577
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Speaker 1: who have their zone in just the team. They don't

578
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Speaker 1: look at what's operating outside of the Giants. But you

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Speaker 1: have to Jeff when you have a conversation like this,

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Speaker 1: because then I think you open up and you realize, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the Giants are not the only team

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Speaker 1: making these type of decisions. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: everybody's getting rid of old Dell beckham S players, That's

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Speaker 1: not my point. But there are other teams, Jeff, getting

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Speaker 1: rid of productive players who command a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: and you realize, we just can't afford everybody. We've got

587
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: to prioritize and we've got to make sure that the

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00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: money works across the board. And I'll give it to

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Speaker 1: you from a different perspective. I'll give it to you

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Speaker 1: from the players perspective. Okay, you understand or you should understand. Um,

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Speaker 1: maybe not when you're young, because you're on a rookie

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Speaker 1: contract and they're built in that you're everybody gets paid

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Speaker 1: the same, right, so unless you're you know, the number

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Speaker 1: one pick more year is gonna get a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is that there's you know, there's

596
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Speaker 1: a there's a salary, it's fixed price. Basically, when you're

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Speaker 1: a veteran and you go into free agency and you

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Speaker 1: get a six year deal, a lot of times they

599
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: are backloaded. Okay, so you understand that your your money

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Speaker 1: up front is yours, yours, your that's yours. You've gotta

601
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Speaker 1: understand that. Usually you have two years into that contract

602
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Speaker 1: because there they can't cut you. They can, but you're

603
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna get the dead money things. So it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: economically sense to do it unless there's something there. You're

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Speaker 1: when you start getting into that fourth, fifth, and six year,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have your intent is up and you've got

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Speaker 1: to understand where the team is. Because if a team

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Speaker 1: is playing well and you're going to playoffs and you're

609
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: doing well, you're part of that success. If the team

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Speaker 1: starts to kind of tail down, the first place they

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Speaker 1: go is they say, okay, where where's our price? High

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Speaker 1: price guys, because you know what, we're not that good anymore.

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Speaker 1: So you're expendable. Don't act all surprised when you're a

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Speaker 1: player and in the fourth year of a six year

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00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: did you get cut? Olivia Vernon. These guys they knew

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Speaker 1: they were going to get cut at some point in time,

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Speaker 1: they were not going to play out their contract. How

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Speaker 1: many you really don't and less and less and less.

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Speaker 1: I speak from experience. You you under price yourself in

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Speaker 1: a market that when it comes to the when they're

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Speaker 1: going through the roster and they're going down positions and

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Speaker 1: they say, Jeff Eigel, well, you know what he's Joe producing.

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Speaker 1: You know it's it's not making a I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: not making a ton of money and it's good and

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Speaker 1: they just go on, go on to the next guy.

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Speaker 1: That's how you play for as long as I did,

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Speaker 1: because not only did I play because I was good,

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Speaker 1: but I also played because economically it made sense for

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Speaker 1: the teams that I played, and I did play out

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Speaker 1: my contracts. I played them out. That's how I was

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Speaker 1: able to get to the free agency times. That's how

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Speaker 1: I got here. But the fact is that the big

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Speaker 1: money today, the cap is a eight million dollars and

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Speaker 1: it's on the rise constantly, and it's gonna it usually

635
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Speaker 1: goes about ten million a year. Okay, they don't think that.

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Speaker 1: The team next year knows that they're gonna have ten

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Speaker 1: and ten million dollars extra under the cap. So this team,

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Speaker 1: you cannot have tunnel vision. You've got to have a

639
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Speaker 1: lot of down the down the road vision. And that's

640
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: what the Giants are doing now. The Giants are looking

641
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Speaker 1: at two thousand twenty as a year that they can

642
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Speaker 1: capitalize on their cap because it's been rumored and I

643
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: just say a rumor because there's nothing official, that they

644
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: may have over a hundred million dollars next year. And

645
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: if that's the case and they're building a young football team,

646
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: that's the direction you want to go. And I do

647
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Speaker 1: believe that. Dave Gentleman say this in his conference news

648
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Speaker 1: conference yesterday too, is the fact that you can win

649
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: while you build. Okay, can you win championships while you build?

650
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but you can win games and build the

651
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: roster that But again, like you said, Lance, people they're

652
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: so they're like this man, they don't have no patience,

653
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Speaker 1: no patience. Let me tell you something. The National Football League,

654
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: for the most part, organizations have a lot of patients.

655
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: When they run out of patience is when they get desperate. Okay,

656
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: desperate times that call for desperate measures. That doesn't mix

657
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: well within any type of franchise when you when you're

658
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: desperate for things, because then you start spending money like

659
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: it's going out of crazy and you put yourself into

660
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: cap purgatory if you will, going down the line. So

661
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: you have to be patient. And you have to have

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Speaker 1: a plan, And Dave Gentleman said yesterday, I know it's

663
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Speaker 1: tough for people to think that I have a plan.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I thought was very very well

665
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Speaker 1: put was the fact that to the media, I think

666
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Speaker 1: I know where you're going, yes, that he has no

667
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Speaker 1: responsibility to to let them know what his planning is.

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Speaker 1: And I put out I don't tweet very often, but

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Speaker 1: when I heard that because I believe in his plan,

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Speaker 1: I believe I believe in it, and I hope it works.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people won't agree with me. My tweet

672
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Speaker 1: was one word exactly, that's he he knows none of

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Speaker 1: us anything. And by the way, if he starts to

674
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: tell us about it, we're in trouble. Yeah, who shows

675
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: their cards? I mean even the winning is franchises. Does

676
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: New England lay out yet we're gonna sign player A,

677
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: player B, players C, and we're gonna trade for player D.

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Speaker 1: Who does that? Bill Belichick doesn't say anything, and we're

679
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Speaker 1: d Cincinnati. So he's really not saying anything differently than

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Speaker 1: anybody else. It's just that very rarely do you hear

681
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Speaker 1: an executive come out and say that publicly. Listen, I

682
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,959
Speaker 1: have no obligation to tell you what exactly my plans are.

683
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: And I agree wholeheartedly with it, and he's just telling

684
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: you just and and by the way, just be patient

685
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: with it, okay, and and let everything play out and

686
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: then ask me or fire me, or look at the results.

687
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: Any of those above will do. And by the way,

688
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen if it doesn't work. Hey, people get

689
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: lose their john because things don't work out. Players, staff, coaches, management,

690
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: everyone a result oriented business, no question. We want to

691
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: remind your Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Coors Light.

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693
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's open up the phone lines. Will get

694
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Speaker 1: into a few more Dave Gettleman's quotes throughout the course

695
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Speaker 1: of the conference call that he had yesterday, as well

696
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Speaker 1: as more of your insight on the phone lines. Two's

697
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: your one five, one three hashtag Giants chat on Twitter.

698
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: Let's start with Dan in Brooklyn as he gets us going, Dan,

699
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: what's happening words? Let's try Coach Marvin in Delaware. How

700
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: about Coach Marvin on the line. What's happening coach? How

701
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you do good? How are you well? We'll talk. I'm

702
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: doing I'm doing. Okay, we'll talk a couple of weeks,

703
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the team and you bothus. What you guys have been

704
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: saying is is this true about being patience And we're

705
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Speaker 1: in the process right now. But I'm looking at it

706
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: from a fans a point of view and a coach's

707
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Speaker 1: point of view. Real quick um. From the fans side

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Speaker 1: of me, I think what's going on is, UH is

709
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: we're going through the gnomes and the unknowns. The gnomes

710
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Speaker 1: is we give away a trans uh, a transcending player.

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Speaker 1: That was box Office must be TV, And I think

712
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: it was we could have got a little more for Odell.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was us. Well, but what do you

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Speaker 1: mean by more, Coach Marvin, just out of curiosity, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think I would have liked it. I mean I

716
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: remember last week they were talking and we were talking

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Speaker 1: about the if you trade O'Dell back and must be

718
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: something that knocks your sucks off, and I think it

719
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: was Paul says something something like herschel Walker deal. Now

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Speaker 1: you're gonna listen to what they said. Yeah, but that

721
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: herschel Walk areal happens. We're talking years ago. In fairness,

722
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Speaker 1: I mean the market. I understand that. I know you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna get anything like that again, because teams ain't

724
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: that crazy to do that. What I'm saying is I

725
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: would have liked to at least seeing that three they

726
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: had two threes, at least give me the higher of

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00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: the three. Talking about a transit transcending and you're gonna

728
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: give me the bottom hand of the three? Did they

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00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,479
Speaker 1: have two? Three? Was there a higher one they could

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00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: have got? Browns had multiple? Yeah, two, and we got

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Speaker 1: the least of the two. We're more closer to the

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Speaker 1: fourth brown. Well, I will say this, it's all about

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Speaker 1: what you do with picks as opposed to where you pick.

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Speaker 1: I believe that, and I will stand by that regardless

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Speaker 1: of the year of the draft, because you know, there

736
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: have been teams that have middle round picks and they've

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Speaker 1: made the most of it because they do their due

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Speaker 1: diligence and scouting. The other thing that I'll add before

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Speaker 1: we let you continue here, if you look at recent

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Speaker 1: wide receivers who have been traded, this is why I

741
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: don't understand the outrage over the value in return. October

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00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, a Maori Cooper was traded to the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: it was just one first rounder. March two thousand eighteen,

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00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry was traded from the Dolphins to the Browns.

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Speaker 1: They got only a fourth and a seventh, and then

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Speaker 1: in March two thousand seventeen branded Cooks. I went back

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Speaker 1: and looked at the first deal, because when a guy

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00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: has traded again, sometimes the value changes. And the Saints

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Speaker 1: got a two thousand seventeen fourth, a two two thousand

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Speaker 1: seventeen first, and a third. So you look at the Giants,

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00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: they got a first, they got a third, and then

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Speaker 1: Jabril Peppers who is not far removed from being a

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Speaker 1: first round pick, So you can look at it as

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Speaker 1: two ones and a third compared to what I just

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: read off with those other caliber wide receivers. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's probably the best deal in recent history. I understand

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00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Lands, I don't want to stay on

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00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: this too long. And I got another thing. I understand.

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00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: Those are not transitions, those are not those are not

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00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: players that are mustkie TV. You gotta admit that you're

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00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: talking O'Dell. There's got to be one of the top

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Speaker 1: five players in the NFL. And when among his spears

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00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: and the one hundreds um, the top one hundred players

764
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Speaker 1: does it really don't mean anything but the respect from

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00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: the league. He was always in the top ten other

766
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: than when he got heard last year, so those players

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00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: respect him. You're gonna put a Mark Cooper, those guys

768
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: in the same sentence with them, I can't agree with well,

769
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: but but listening, here's what I will say before you

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00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: go on. First of all, that's not how NFL executives

771
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: view the market, though they don't look at the NFL

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Speaker 1: top one hundred. I mean, Jeff, I'm sure you can

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Speaker 1: attest this when he when he goes to the negotiating table,

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00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Jeff's not well, you know, NFL dot com put me

775
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: is one of the best punters of all time. Give

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00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: me five million dollars. I mean, come on, that's fairy

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00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: tale and one of one of the thing coach. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the resumes, forget television and eyes, okay,

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00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: you look at Landry's a four time pro bowler, led

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00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: the NFL in receptions in two thousand seventeen. I'm talking

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00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: about production here, Cooper, three time pro bowler. Then you

782
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: look at Antonio Brown, by the way, who I didn't

783
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: mention a third and a five for Antonio Brown, seven

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00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: time Pro bowler, four time first team All Pro, led

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00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 1: the NFL in receiving yards twice, receptions twice in touchdowns

786
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: in eighteen and then in comparison Beckham, three time Pro bowler,

787
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: two times second team All Pro. We're talking about very

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00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: similar resumes here. Again, I hear your lands, I hear him.

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00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: But one I didn't say that they walked. They looked

790
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: at that top. You gotta remember I said the respect

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00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: of the players among each other. I never said that. Uh,

792
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: they decadive staff looked that fact. And I understand that.

793
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: I'm telling you and you know this, because he played here.

794
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: Now he's not here. You gotta look at it in

795
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: a different way. No, it's not. I'm looking at it

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00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: from a big picture perspective. That's what I'm what I'm

797
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: bringing up other wide receivers. I'm not treating on an island.

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00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: I'm doing the comparison test. If we had nothing else

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00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: to go by, then there wouldn't be much substance for

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00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: us to have this conversation. I understand that I just said,

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00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: give me the top three. Pick of those three. I

802
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: didn't say give me twelve players. I didn't say give

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00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: me two superstars. I didn't say give me two ones,

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00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: give me that top three of the three rounds. You

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00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: ever say so too if you are an executive for

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00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: the Giant. Well. But but once again, it also is

807
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: the paying thing on how the negotiations went, and you,

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00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: me and Jeff were not privy to what the back

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00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: and forth was like. For all we know Peppers, yeah,

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00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: they said we'll give you the ladder of the two

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Speaker 1: if yeah. I mean, I don't know how the negotiations went,

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00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: so I agree with you, we don't. Let's let me

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00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: get off that. But the unknown is what we're saying.

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00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: We don't know who these picks are. We don't know

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Speaker 1: how Peppers is gonna play. I like him. I think

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00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: he's a good audition and landing challenge. I hate it

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00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: losing him. I hated losing Vernon. I mean, these were

818
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: good players, but we we are paying them. So you're

819
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: right as far as how much we would paying these guys.

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00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: But that's just the fans side. I'm just selling it

821
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: from the fans side. We only know what we know

822
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: or see what we see. The unknown is the unknown

823
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: and that's what get him and is selling us. Let

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00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: us believe in him and the unknown. I'm gonna give

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00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: him a chance. You know why, because I don't have

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00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: a choice. I don't own the team. I don't work

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00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: for the team. What he does I have to lived with.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get them that so my So the

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Speaker 1: thing is we have to stick get my things a coach,

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00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: and I said, it's about Odell and other players. There's

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Speaker 1: three people that can kill a team, and that comes

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00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: in that locker room. And those three people are me myself.

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00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: And if those three guys who up in the locker room,

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00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: you will destroy your team. Maybe that's what O'Dell was.

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00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: I felt me would keep coming in one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: Think it's real real quickly. Yea. The question for you

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Speaker 1: and Jeff is, uh, what do you think it's I

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00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: hope they have a quarterback in mind. If if they

839
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: don't take it, I'm thinking what they're gonna do is

840
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: go defense a Russia. And what do you think we

841
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: discovers Tinks, pick of Grady Whims and then the office

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00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: alignment in the second round. And that's all I have.

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00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: And I agree with you guys. I'm not here to

844
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: argue with it, just opinion. Appreciate the phone call, coach,

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00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: thanks so much for away in it. And a couple

846
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: of things. Number one, you know you don't know, and

847
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: even in free agency, you can only go on the

848
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: history of the player and how well he's done in

849
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: his position and the other team. But before you sign him, right,

850
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: you don't know he could get here and he could

851
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: play under James Betcher's defense, and he could be the

852
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: worst year he's ever had. You don't know that. So

853
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: you have to go on a little bit of experience

854
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: and a little bit of history there. Okay, draft picks,

855
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: same thing, right, you don't know they've never played a

856
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: down of professional football in their life. But you gotta

857
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: have to sit there and talk about how they played

858
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: in the Big ten or where did they play in

859
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: the SEC. I mean that all makes a big difference

860
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: as far as his quarterback thing goes. I think it's

861
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: very simple, I really do. I think a lot of

862
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: people are making too much out of this. Okay, first

863
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: of all, we're not going to know because if you

864
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: if you've listened to Dave Gentleman, he's not going to

865
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: tip his hat to anything he does unless he's sure.

866
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Like as we got a little bit closer last year

867
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: about he kind of told us about Sae Kwon Barkley, Okay,

868
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 1: but that was the number two pick. Okay, this year,

869
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I think it's very simple that seventeen pick was acquired.

870
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: That is, that is some serious asset. They can do

871
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: whatever they want with that, whether they're gonna trade up

872
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: with it or they're gonna give it to Arizona for

873
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, whatever the stuff that all this stuff that's

874
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: going along. The Other thing is that you gotta understand

875
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: that we're not going to get any type of input

876
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: to these quarterbacks if the Giants like them or not.

877
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Is that Kyler Murray? Is it Drayne Haskins. I gotta

878
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: think that those are the two guys were in the conversation.

879
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: If they like one of them, they're taking them at six.

880
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: Because I can tell you right now there's no guarantee,

881
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: and you can even say this length, there's no guarantee

882
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: where the Giants will be next year. The Giants could

883
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: be picking We all hope that the Giants are picking

884
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: thirty second in the first round next year, but what

885
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: if the Giants are picking seventeen or eighteen? Okay, there's

886
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: no guarantee that any of these quarterbacks next year are

887
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: going to be any better than the guys this year,

888
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: or they get hurt, or they you know, some one

889
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: of them doesn't want to play football anymore. I don't know,

890
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: but you have to look what's in front of you,

891
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: and that now it wasn't front of you as these

892
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks are three. If you want to put Drew

893
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Lock in there, whoever the guy is, it's just to

894
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: me it makes sense that if they're going to do

895
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: the whole Kansas City Chief thing, then you know, they

896
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: do it with Wayne Haskins and then Elias this is

897
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: his last year on his contract and that kind of

898
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: stuff kind of just makes a little bit of sense.

899
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's any more difficult. I think

900
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: people are trying to make too much of this. That

901
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: the Giants know what they want to do. They're just

902
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: not gonna tell us yea, And that's why all it

903
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: is is just gonna feel more speculation on the subject. Though. Interestingly,

904
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: when Dave Gettleman did his interview on w f A

905
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: N yesterday Jeff with Mike Francisa, one of the last

906
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: questions that was posed to Dave Gettleman if the Giants

907
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: and their fans should expect a quarterback of the future

908
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: to be brought in this year. His response quote, if

909
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: everything works out, probably end quote. You could read into

910
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: that as much as you wish, but that was as

911
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: close to a question on the subject that we're discussed

912
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: in right now where Getleman gave his answers. So, does

913
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: that mean that they're going to try to trade for somebody?

914
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: Does that mean they're gonna try to draft somebody? Does

915
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: that mean that somebody currently is on the roster? Who knows?

916
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: The bottom line is we all know that the Giants

917
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: are in the need of a quarterback for two thousand

918
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: and two thousand twenty folks. You know, Eli Manning just

919
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: got some money. Okay, they're bringing back Eli Manning. Hello,

920
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: it's only under contract for one more year, but there

921
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: it is. Okay, So yeah, it could be Eli back

922
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: next year, but right now, he's not under contract beyond

923
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: this year. It makes sense. It makes sense. Now who

924
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: who doesn't make sense? Does it makes sense to go

925
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: with the draft. Does it make sense to go with

926
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: somebody that's in the league already. That's not up to

927
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: me and Lance, that's up to Dave Gentleman and Mr Merry,

928
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: Mr Tish and the organization, they will make that decision. Well,

929
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: I've said this time and time again, Jeff. If everyone

930
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: in the room is evaluating the quarterbacks and they say,

931
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: you know what, Dwayne Haskins is a must have, Jeff,

932
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: we envisioned him. He's our French as quarterback. They know what.

933
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: I think, you do everything in your power to take

934
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: him if he's at six, or to move up now

935
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: that you have two first rounders to go after your quarterback.

936
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: If you feel that way about Kyler Murray, it's the

937
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: same thing. But if you're in the room and two

938
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: guys love Kyler Murray, Jeff, three guys love Haskins, one

939
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: guy loves Daniel Jones, another one thinks Drew lock is

940
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: going to be Dan Marino, then I think you got

941
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: a question, no, And you got to say to yourself,

942
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: if you're Dave Gentleman, I'm in a room full of scouts.

943
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: They spent the entire season going around the country and

944
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: valuating quarterbacks, and there's no conviction in this room. Do

945
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: we really want to utilize one of our first round

946
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: picks on a guy that right now? It's a flip

947
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: the coin mentality, I don't think that's necessarily the best

948
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: philosophy to have to then go out and chase after

949
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 1: a quarterback. So that's the big thing. What is going

950
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: on in that room when they start to have their

951
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: meetings as we get closer to the draft. I got

952
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: the answer. I think that you and I should come

953
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: up with the survey and send it to all those people,

954
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: and they can send him back to us, and then

955
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: we'll see what kind of consensus that we the fans,

956
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: and then we Because nothing more authentic than a poll,

957
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: is it. It'll be an inner office memo as they say, Oh,

958
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: that's a good way to spend it. Very professional on

959
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: your part in all seriousness. Going back real quickly the

960
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: coach Marvin's question, I could see them also taking a

961
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: defensive lineman at six. I don't think that's a stretch.

962
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: I think there's substance there. I think there's the capability

963
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: of somebody come in at six and make a huge

964
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: impact year one. They certainly need help in terms of

965
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: their past rushing rotation, so that I don't think is crazy.

966
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: And then one last point that I wanted to mention here.

967
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: I went back and I looked at the third round

968
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: of the two thousand nineteen draft. Here the Browns had

969
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: pick and then the n is the one that went

970
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: to the Giants. So we're talking about about fifteen picks.

971
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: But let's not make it sound like eighty was not

972
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: a top three pick in the third round or a

973
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: top four pick. Here, Jeff, you see the first pick

974
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: in the third round is sixty, so eight would have

975
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: been Let's say the Giants got the first of the

976
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: two third rounds, would been smack in the middle of

977
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: the third round. Essentially, it would have not been in

978
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: extremely high third round. Let let's at least not paint

979
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: that's not extremely high, but it's it's the middle. It's

980
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: higher than there's no doubt about that. But I don't

981
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: want to make it sound as if if Cleveland had,

982
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, like the second pick in the third round,

983
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: then I think we got something a little bit more

984
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: to talk about. It was smack in the middle. Let's

985
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines two zero one, three.

986
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: Charlie is in Portland's made Charlie, what's happening? Hey, hey, hey,

987
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: how many times did we hear from the Giants or

988
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: Gettleman say that we are not shopping? Odell Beckham we

989
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: are not shopping him. Guess that. What did Gettleman say, Oh,

990
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: I did call Buffalo Hello? Yeah? But when did he

991
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: say that? Correct after the Antonio Brown speculation? And it

992
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: doesn't around time? We were never going to shop And

993
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: how do we know that that's not true, Charlie, Charlie,

994
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: how do we know that's not true? How do we

995
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: know that's not true that? How do you know give

996
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: me evidence to prove that that's a lie? How do

997
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: you know he wasn't shopping him? Jeff and I just

998
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: said that, Dave Gettiman. The only thing he acknowledged in

999
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: the conference call was that he picked up the phone

1000
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: and called Brandon Bean, who had a relationship with in Carolina.

1001
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: Once the Antonio Brown news broke that that deal fell apart,

1002
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: and he realized, hey, the Bills are looking for a

1003
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So how do you know that shopping him? Yeah?

1004
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: But he said after after, where did you just say

1005
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: that he was shopping him? And they said forever I

1006
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: will not shop him. But the point is, prior to

1007
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: that phone called to Buffalo, you don't know, Charlie. No, Charlie, No.

1008
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: The point is it's all speculation on your part. That's

1009
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: what the point is. You have absolutely not you have

1010
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: not one shred of evidence. You have not one shred

1011
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: of evidence not shopping him. And he just said I

1012
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: did call Buffalo and Charlie, every single of Dave Getleman's

1013
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: comments where he said we did not sign Odell Beckham

1014
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: to trade him was made prior to the Antonio Brown news.

1015
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: You've got to look at the timeline. We can just

1016
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: you know. No, no, I'm not, Charlie. I'm not saying

1017
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm right, but I can guarantee you that you don't

1018
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: know if you're a hundred percent right. That's my point. No,

1019
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: just Glazier knew a month ago that that they were

1020
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: going to get rid of Odell Beckham, they were going

1021
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: to trade him. Why did he know that? Because after

1022
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: the little Wayne interview, it was done. It was done.

1023
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: He was done. That's the reason, you know. So it

1024
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: wasn't a footbath thing, because it was a football thing.

1025
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: He would still be on this team because this guy

1026
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: is the greatest wide reason. But that's in your opinion though, Charlie.

1027
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: That's your opinion, in your logic in terms of how

1028
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: you would build a team and how you would build

1029
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: the opinion. Yeah, so that doesn't mean that your opinion

1030
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: has shared with the organization exactly right, but you but

1031
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: the your opinion is not necessarily in line with where

1032
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: they were thinking. Nor does it nor is it backed

1033
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: by any factual evidence in terms of them shopping him

1034
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: prior to the Antonio Brown speculation. You haven't provided any

1035
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: evidence that you know for a fact. But that's what

1036
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: you weren't going to shop him. And after all they did, yes,

1037
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: and Dave and Dave and Charlie. Dave Gentleman came out

1038
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: and said things changed. He acknowledged that. So yeah, okay, okay.

1039
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: The other thing, I just saw that the Cleveland Browns

1040
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: payroll is over two hundred and nine million dollars, almost

1041
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: almost two millions. What is the cap? Isn't it like

1042
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: a So I guess they're gonna have to do some

1043
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: restructuring or cutting some players. They may. I don't know.

1044
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: I have not looked at the brown situation. I have

1045
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: not seen that number that you're throwing out. And so

1046
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: when do you care about the Browns payroll? And here's

1047
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: the other thing that hold on, hold on, there's no

1048
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: way Charlie to spend as much money as possible, Charlie,

1049
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: that can be the winning team and to you know,

1050
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl. Charlie, I don't understand how

1051
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: also willing to go that O'Dell got traded and OVI

1052
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: got traded. Yeah, you know they needed money, right. I

1053
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: don't agree with this, but people are saying if they

1054
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: cut Eli, then you would have that money. You would

1055
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: have been able to keep O'Dell and you probably would

1056
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: have been able to keep OV if you wanted to.

1057
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: So that's there, that's what they're looking at. There was

1058
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: other ways to free up money than that. I would

1059
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: and I would keep for me, I would keep Elies

1060
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: and there's no doubt about it. But that's what they're

1061
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: saying when they're when they're talking about that other ways

1062
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: to cut money. Well, there's there's no question. But Charlie, listen,

1063
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I you know, think about this. Okay. There there's been

1064
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: players for as long as the game has been around.

1065
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: The things are happening behind the scenes that nobody knows about. Okay,

1066
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's time sometimes for things to just move

1067
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: on for the betterment of the team. I am not

1068
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: here to tell you that Odell Beckham's skills have have

1069
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: come down because yeah, he is that he is one

1070
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: of the best players at this position there is, but

1071
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: we don't know the whole story. That's what I'm trying

1072
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: to tell you. Okay, So I know there's always everything's

1073
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: opaque with corporations, they're always opaque. But the thing is

1074
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: with with I mean, I lost the mashup of Odell's

1075
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: best place and I almost cry because he is the

1076
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: most dynamic, incredible wide receiver And guess who was throwing

1077
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: in those passes was Eli Manning. If you want to

1078
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: watch something that makes you sick that he's gone watch them,

1079
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: You watch that mashup of his greatest place. Because we're

1080
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: never going to see another player like that in Giant Stadium.

1081
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 1: That life ain't going to be Golden Tate, ain't gonna

1082
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: be Shepherd. There ain't gonna be anybody else. He's going

1083
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: to be doing that in Cleveland, and that is a shame.

1084
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: That's Charlie and nobody's disagreeing that Odell Beckham didn't have

1085
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: a significant impact on this franchise. He made play after play.

1086
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: You go back to that two thousand sixteen season, big

1087
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: reason why the team made the playoffs, want a lot

1088
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: of close games, as a result of his play. But

1089
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: you know, it goes back to the conversation that Jeff

1090
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: and I had at the top of the show. You

1091
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: have to make sacrifices if you have other needs across

1092
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: your board, and sometimes that means party ways with an

1093
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: impactful player like that. And again, we're not gonna know

1094
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: this until the end of the two thousand nineteen seasons

1095
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: over to see how how it plays out. You know,

1096
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: does it does? We don't know. I mean, does a

1097
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: team function better with him out of here? Maybe? I

1098
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 1: mean that. I just the only thing I can compare

1099
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: it to is how this team played the last four

1100
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: games of the season without him, Okay? Is that something

1101
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: to to look look ahead for, Like, okay, well this

1102
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: is how they did without him. I mean, maybe that's

1103
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: gonna even be better. I don't know. It's gonna be

1104
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: tough to replace the talent and the numbers in the production, Okay,

1105
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: but you can spread that production around to some of

1106
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: those other players who seemed to be that this might

1107
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: be the answer to it. I don't know, And the

1108
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: record associated with one player is not necessarily extremely telling.

1109
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: But I mean I have the numbers in front of me.

1110
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: They were thirty one and fifty Overall, during Olddell Beckham's tenure,

1111
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: there were eighty one total games that were played. He

1112
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: didn't play an all eighty one, Jeff. But that was

1113
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: the Giants record during Oldell Beckham's tenure. When O'Dell Beckham

1114
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: was on the field, the Giants went twenty five and

1115
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: thirty five without him six and fifteen. So from a

1116
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: big picture perspective, this is not just a reflection of

1117
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: Oldell Beckham, is a reflection of the entire team, defense,

1118
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: special teams. They were struggling at times when he was

1119
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 1: on the field, they were struggling at times with him

1120
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: not on the field. The bottom line is Dave Getleman

1121
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: is trying to build a team that's gonna win consistently,

1122
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: not have a flash consistently. So you know, I understand

1123
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 1: fans are emotional, but at the end of the day,

1124
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: fans also want playoff appearances. They want Super Bowl titles, Jeff,

1125
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: don't they. So the goal is to accomplish that. But

1126
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: to accomplish that, you need the least amount of holes

1127
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: across the board, and this is going to give them

1128
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: additional resources to address some of those needs. That's how

1129
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: you feel those that now said back to the phone lines,

1130
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: Q is in Newark? Q. What's happening? How are you

1131
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: doing that? How are you guys doing? What do you

1132
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: got for us? Well? I'm not happy. That's the lite. Um.

1133
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: I want to close things. I just want to say

1134
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: a few things and then a month get off. But

1135
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't want you guys, here's something that you don't like.

1136
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: We won't cut you off a little bit, this a

1137
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: little bit all right? Well, first of all, I think

1138
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: that was one of the worst treat I feel history,

1139
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: and not just because I'm Bison the Giant fans. I

1140
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't think that we got equal treat value and return.

1141
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is because I heard

1142
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: good him and he constantly kept saying that, oh yeah,

1143
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: we got a first round picking and jabrill peppers, Well

1144
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: about because you finished please? Um? Well he was last year,

1145
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: but the year that he was a first round pick,

1146
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: he played like the seventh round pick. But this year

1147
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: he played a little bit better. So my question to

1148
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: you guys are real fast. If you was the general manager,

1149
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: would you give up a number one pick for the

1150
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: real pepper? You know you wouldn't. So it's not the

1151
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: first round talent. O'da was the real first round talent.

1152
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: So we so we didn't get equal value back. Even

1153
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: though we got back to play a young you know,

1154
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: young player at any position, still wasn't We still didn't

1155
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: get back when we deserve to get back. Another thing

1156
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: I want to get into it because deep in my heart,

1157
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: I believe that O'Dell was treated because he's because of

1158
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: the grape that we had. Was Eli, because Eli was

1159
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: upset about what you said, you know, doing that he is.

1160
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: Where is the evidence that was upset about that? But

1161
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: this this I just said, this was Mike. Well, well

1162
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: he didn't. Eli didn't do an interview. After he heard

1163
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: about the O'Dell's interview, Eli talked to the media. I

1164
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: was under the depression that Eli spoke to the media

1165
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: multiple times after Odell did that interview. I haven't heard

1166
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: one thing out of but they that that that he

1167
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: found out about it. The media also his own record

1168
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: that that Eli didn't didn't show up for the first crimes,

1169
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: and they said Eli always showed for first times, but

1170
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: he didn't show up. So I'm not saying that that

1171
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: this this is what I believe. I just said, this

1172
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 1: is my belief I didn't say anything. It's fast true.

1173
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: This is what I believe because for some reason, you know,

1174
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: the media of John d eli Man, but he's the

1175
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: mediocre quarterback. Some reason, he should have been one for

1176
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: some reason. He's got two super Bowls. Two yeah, but

1177
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, but let's let's let's be honest. His first

1178
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: super Bowl that he wanted to inception please cue, come on,

1179
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: come on, you all that you want, but I don't care.

1180
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: You can listen. You know what I like. There's one

1181
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: point there before you guys, I was on that team.

1182
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: By the way, this is this is this is my

1183
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: opinion that that two thousand and seventh season here Aifa's

1184
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: was solid, like be lout man to stop making turnovers.

1185
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: When he stopped throwing turnovers and turn the ball over

1186
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: we started when we we we got hot with one

1187
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: on the street because we had to run a game

1188
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: offensive line. What about two thousand eleven, I'm not saying

1189
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: that he said he had nothing to do with it,

1190
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: but he's not the reason that we won, Like, come on,

1191
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: not at all? In eleven seven interceptions that year and

1192
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: we went not in seven terrible record, but terrible recording

1193
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: q Q nine and seven is a winning record that

1194
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: gets you in the playoffs. It's that's a ridiculous statement.

1195
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: What's your ridiculous Seven is a terrible record of seven?

1196
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Nine and seven is a terrible record. That's a ridiculous statement.

1197
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: Four twelve, Okay, go ahead, real quick, Okay, it's for something.

1198
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't really called up that much

1199
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: for some reason, because like it's when you call up

1200
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: when you say them by Elik, you guys just go

1201
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: crazy like you can't anything wrong about Eli, Like how

1202
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: is he exist? Well, you I don't understand. How is

1203
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: the thirty eight year old mediocre quarterbacks dealing the roster

1204
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: and you just traded with a Hall of fame or

1205
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: for one of three and you Getleman is trying to

1206
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: shove down our throat and say to us, oh, yeah,

1207
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: if we got another first round pick. Real Pepper is

1208
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: not the first round pick. No NFL owner will gives

1209
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: one a number round, give any another gender manager number

1210
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: one pick. So he's not a number one pick. Well,

1211
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: we don't know how the market would. But but once again,

1212
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: that's a hypothetical argument. First round pick value Q. It's

1213
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: a hypothetical argument though when yeah, it's it's your opinion.

1214
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that that's not gonna happen, and I'm

1215
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: not saying it is. But you will give any will

1216
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: give with the games, the Browns a number one pick

1217
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: for your real and that's your opinion. But what I'm

1218
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: saying is that doesn't mean that it can't happen. Talent,

1219
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: So why does he keep saying that because he was

1220
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: the first round pick in two thousand seventeen, that's what

1221
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: he means. That was two thousand seven, two thousand and nineteen,

1222
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: so we're two years now. He's not well. Once that

1223
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: is to to the bottom line is we could go

1224
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: que we could go in circles. Here, you're laying out

1225
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: a hypothetical argument that there's no factual backing because you

1226
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know what another GM would have given up. That's

1227
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: my point. So we we appreciate the phone call and

1228
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: thank you for weighing in. As far as you know,

1229
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Eli Manning still being the quarterback of the team. I

1230
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: will say this time and time again, there are fifty

1231
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: three guys on the roster and we're here every day

1232
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: having a conversation about one position. Now is the quarterback

1233
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: import and Jeff, you know you can play the game,

1234
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: but to say that you just dismissed the offensive line,

1235
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: dismissed the defense, dismissed the running game, dismissed the secondary,

1236
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: and just treat the quarterback like he's on an island.

1237
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, okay, is the quarterback of the Charges. I

1238
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: put this out on Twitter. I'll rehash it on the

1239
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: show because I feel like I'm reliving my life through Twitter,

1240
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers and the Chargers because it's the whole team, right, Jeff,

1241
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: Da've missed the playoffs seven of the last nine years,

1242
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: seven of the last nine years. Now, most people say

1243
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers has been more productive than Eli Manning in

1244
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 1: recent history, and I would not dis agree with that.

1245
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: He has had better numbers from an individual standpoint, Jeff

1246
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: statistically ultimately, but Rivers alone has not been their savior.

1247
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean Rivers is not a good quarterback. It's the

1248
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: fact that, Jeff, he had some bad defenses, had no

1249
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: running games. Really no, I mean offensive line troubles right, No,

1250
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: it's all made up, la la la and stuff. Right now,

1251
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: if you think that I'm making this up, because clearly

1252
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: people think that I'm just pulling out these facts. What. Yes, Well,

1253
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: then let's now look at what I had a back

1254
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: and forth with on social media, because you know, I

1255
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: got to do the homework since nobody else is willing

1256
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: to do. And then you realize that going back to

1257
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, from two thousand twelve to two thousand eight,

1258
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: the Chargers had a better offense statistically in ranking scoring

1259
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: offense four out of the seven years, So the Chargers

1260
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: are better four times. The Giants were better three times.

1261
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: From a defensive perspective, though, Jeff, the Chargers had a

1262
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: better defense five of those seven years in scoring defense,

1263
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: the Giants twice, so there was a lopsidedness in terms

1264
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: of the Chargers deference versus the Giants defense. And then

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01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: the rushing attack was three up for the Giants, four

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: up for the Chargers. So when you take that into consider,

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: the Charges were a better team overall. The dynamics are

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: the Charges are a little bit more consistent, but yet

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01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: they still were not making the playoffs exactly or context

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Speaker 1: or even making Super Bowls or even winning two of them, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you look at the way that

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning played in two thousand eleven, he had some

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01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: of those comeback wins that he had that year were ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Now it was it him, No, it was a whole team, right,

1275
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: But he was the catapult, the whole thing, and he

1276
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: was throwing the ball and he was he brought him

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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: back game winning drives. It was amazing. That was an

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01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: incredible year. Oh seven, Yeah, we had a pretty good season,

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01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: but it was collectively both sides of the football and

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01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: special teams that we all kicked in nine and seven

1281
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: wasn't a great record, but I'll tell you what it was.

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01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: It was enough. It was enough to get in the dance.

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: We got in the dance and we ended up dancing

1284
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: with a really pretty girl at the end. Saves. By

1285
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: the way, four of the five seasons missed the playoffs

1286
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: at seven and nine with Drew Brees is their quarterback.

1287
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: Just another example of how the quarterback alone doesn't win

1288
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: and lose football games. Let's head back to the lines.

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Speaker 1: Mark is in Shytown. Mark, welcome to the program. What

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: do you go for us? Hey? Just a comment on

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: what you were saying about comeback wins? How many comeback

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01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: more comeback wins would have Eli would have had if

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: our defense could have not only in two thousand and eighteen,

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: but go back to two thousand fifteen. How many leads

1295
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: we blow? Yeah, well that's why quarterback records are irrelevant

1296
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,479
Speaker 1: and meaningless because it encompasses the entire team. Okay, so anyway, Jeff,

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01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate your comments. I'd really like to said at

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show. And the reason why is

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01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: that you know, you played the game. You know what

1300
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: goes on in the locker room. You know understand it

1301
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: from a business standpoint, what the owners are thinking. And

1302
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: I just think it puts some sanity behind everything. And

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01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: I love what they've got and said yesterday. I mean,

1304
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like people expect Apple to say what

1305
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: features are available in their iPhone that's coming out. They

1306
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: would never do that. You know, it's a competitive business,

1307
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: it is. I think what Gentleman is trying to do

1308
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: is put the transformed the giants into where the cults

1309
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: were this year. You can win while you build, and

1310
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we got a big salary cap availability next

1311
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: year that we can even use to build more on

1312
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: what we're doing this year. Right, And again, I think

1313
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the team last year and

1314
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: can you say that was there was there much improvement

1315
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: the first seven games, No, there wasn't. The first seven

1316
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: games of this season, in my opinion, was still an

1317
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: abbreviated preseason for the Giants, because as you had a

1318
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: new staff, you had a new head coach, you had

1319
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: a new general manager, still trying to pick through the

1320
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: minutia of this of this roster, and then all of

1321
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: a sudden the second half of the season, the offensive

1322
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: line improves with jim On Brown and and Nate Soldier

1323
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 1: starts playing a little bit better than offensive line starts

1324
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: to get a little bit better. Things start to change.

1325
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: And so then when when that happens, the organization understands

1326
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: it going forward this we made some changes last year.

1327
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: I've said it before. At the end of the season

1328
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: there was less than ten players on this roster that

1329
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: were here the year before. That's transition and that's getting better.

1330
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: Even though they only won five games last year, they

1331
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: won four of them in the second half. So that

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01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: is improvement. Now we kick it into two thousand nineteen,

1333
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: un let's build on that again. And by the way,

1334
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: cap space can be carried over from one year to another. Sure,

1335
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: just because you have a hundred million dollars doesn't mean

1336
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: you go onto spending spree. So you know, that's also

1337
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: important to understand just in terms of the time, Like

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01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: the Giants. Did you know back in two thousand and

1339
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: fifteen they went and spent two hundred million dollars. Okay, well,

1340
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: how many of those guys are still left on the

1341
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: team when they spent two hundred million. It doesn't always work. Yeah, Well,

1342
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't see the Cults spending their hundred million in

1343
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: this offseason. And that's another great example. Yeah, and they also,

1344
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: by the way of building the team through the draft,

1345
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of named commodity. That's

1346
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: why they have a hundred million dollars, by the way,

1347
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: because they built their young team through the draft, right,

1348
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: And that's where I think we're going to. Guys. I've

1349
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: been a Giants fan for sixty years. My first recollection

1350
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: of a Giants game was a nineteen fifty championship game.

1351
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: How many rebuilds do you think I've seen over sixty

1352
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: years or transformations. It's been a lot, and sometimes it

1353
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: was like every year back in the seventies, it was

1354
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: first and foremost I am a Giants fan. I want

1355
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: the team to win, and you build a winning culture

1356
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: by winning games, not tanking games. And over that time,

1357
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: I've only owned two jerseys, LT and O b J.

1358
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: I love O b J. If the Giants had traded LT,

1359
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: I would have felt a lot like what people do

1360
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: now about OH b J. But LT was a transformational player.

1361
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: Not only did he transform the way people had to

1362
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: defend them in deep offenses versus the Giants defense in

1363
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: him in particular, he transformed that team from a losing

1364
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: team into a winning team. To me, OH b J

1365
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: is not a transformational player, you know, in my opinion,

1366
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: and arguably he's not even the best wide receiver in football.

1367
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: There are probably three or four guys that you could

1368
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: say we're better. So that's why I'm not getting my

1369
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: panties in a twist about them trading O b J.

1370
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: Because they're trying to do something better. And I'll say

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Speaker 1: one more point, Jeff, you brought up about desperate times

1372
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: leading the desperate measures, and in my opinion, what they

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01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to go back and see what what what

1374
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: caused what we're doing today? Why do we trade O

1375
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 1: b J? And when I analyze it, I go back

1376
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: and I look at when they fired Tom Conflin and

1377
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: they kept Jerry Reese on board, and I remember Mara

1378
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 1: saying specifically, when I expect the Giants to be good.

1379
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: And what that did was that forced Jerry Reese to

1380
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: go out and overspend deep pockets for O B jack

1381
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: rabbit snacks. I'll even put JP p in there. And

1382
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: the reason why he was desperate was because his drafts

1383
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: were very poor. And you know, I know a lot

1384
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: of times, um, you guys say, well, look at how

1385
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: many players we've gotten rid of and are no longer

1386
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: on the team. Go back and look at our draft

1387
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: choices over the last five years, and how many guys

1388
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: aren't even left in the league. It's pretty pitiful. So

1389
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, hey, sometimes you got to tear it down

1390
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: to build it up. And that's what we're doing. And

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Speaker 1: that's my opinion, and I'm glad I got it off

1392
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: my chest. I appreciate my phone call. The other thing too,

1393
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: that you have to understand about the days with LT.

1394
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: There was no social media back in the day. And

1395
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 1: do you imagine that, I mean, if there were cell

1396
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: phones around with LT and his activities, not to mention

1397
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 1: social media and people weighing in on all of his

1398
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: movements every day. The thing is, I'm sure people would

1399
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: be ripping him to shreds and how he's be a

1400
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: major distraction. You think the whole boat party thing, which

1401
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: was completely blown out of proportion. Imagine LT at a

1402
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: club the night before a game. People would be like

1403
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: the audacity of an individual. But the funny thing about

1404
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: is is it would not have only been LT. It

1405
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: would have been a nine or ten other players involved

1406
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: in all of that stuff. But because LT was the

1407
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: basically the head hauncho and that group of people, then

1408
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: he would have been the one that was. But now,

1409
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: remember I played in three decades. I played in the eighties,

1410
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: the nineties, and two thousand. I have seen the game

1411
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: change right in front of my eyes. Folks. Back in

1412
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: the eighties, it was in early nineties, it was a

1413
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: different game. Way before free agency started. It was. It

1414
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: was a different, different time. When you know, the camaraderie

1415
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: amongst players was there because nobody left, you couldn't leave.

1416
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: They stayed together, and they stayed together for years and

1417
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: and you know that camaraderie was built in and you

1418
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: talk about that camaraderie and maybe not so much character,

1419
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: but they were a lot of characters like guys that

1420
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: were just funny as heck, and and that they they

1421
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, the whole premise behind being together, Well that happened.

1422
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean they stayed together for a while and then

1423
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 1: free agency came and then it broke up the league.

1424
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: That's what happened. Game completely changed. That's why you have

1425
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: parody across the board, as opposed to when you played

1426
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: early in your career there were like four or five

1427
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: teams that can legitimately win a Super Bowl. All right,

1428
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: we want to remind you Big Blue Kickoff Live presented

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Speaker 1: win Amazing Giants prizes. That is gonna wrap up Tuesday's

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: edition here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate all the

1432
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: phone calls. Try to get to some tweets off the

1433
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: air for Jeff Feagles on Lance Meadow. We'll be back

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01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: up and running on Wednesday at noon. We'll see you then,

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Speaker 1: have a go on