1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: I got a Rivian right now. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: Brag brag, Yeah, mad, respect. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Bro, You couldn't be more of a dad. When a 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Rivian Suva is a brag. It's not like I'm driving 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: a Porsche. I'm like, dude, I got a car that 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: can fit six kids, luggage and a dog. And you go, Jesus, 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: you're winning. It doesn't go fast, and I will I 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: will say, it's not that much fun to drive, but 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: the lot of the storage. 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 3: In that baby. 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to Snafoo, the show about history's greatest screw ups. 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: I'm at Helms and today I am joined by a 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: prolific actor, comedian, writer and director. He co hosts the podcast. 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: We're here to help with fellow funny man Gareth Reynolds. 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: But you likely know our guests as the voice of 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: Peter Parker and Spider Man into the Spider Verse, as 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 2: Doug in the Minx, or as the beloved Nick Miller 18 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: from the now modern classic hit New Girl. He was, 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: of course, also my hilarious co star in the film Tag. 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: Please welcome Jake Johnson. 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Thanks Ed, nice to see you, pal. 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: We'll put in some applause and like you know, roaring. 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Three to four minutes of heart applause. 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, standing ovation effects. 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Jake Johnson's are yes. 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: We of course became acquainted on the movie tag, which 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: was just a goddamn delight. How fun was that? I Mean, 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: we had our ups and downs on the production, but 29 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: it was it was a hell of a lot of fun. 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: Apart from Renner breaking both. 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: His arms during a stunt. 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: Oh my god, remember that crazy day, of course, I 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: remember that insane Okay, So just for the list, we're 34 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: doing this scene where Jeremy Renner is chasing us and 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: he's on he does that Fred Astaire chair move where 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: he's you know where you like stand on the back 37 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: of a chair and then and then let it fall 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: down and then you keep going. Only the sort of 39 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: bit was that this was a stack of like thirty chairs, 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: so it was like twenty feet tall, and he and 41 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: he and he sort of falls down but in a 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: controlled way, off on this stack of chairs and then 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: keeps running. But and he was wearing a harness to 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: make the fall smooth and not harmful to his body. 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: This there was some malfunction. He landed on both his arms, 46 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: both of his arms broke yes, and he went to 47 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: the hospital and was back on set that afternoon shot 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: still shooting. 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? And I'll tell you we've talked 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: about this, but there are certain things you've said that 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: are not for Jake. Breaking your arms and returning to 52 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: shoot a scene in tag not for Jake. If I 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: break my arms, not for Jake. I'm hold up for 54 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: a while. I'm in a hospital room. I'm expecting visitors, 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm expecting a lot of you. Were so brave for 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: doing that. I'm not going back to work. And then 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: do you remember he has to throw coffee? I think 58 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: at me, Yeah, where I run by him and he throws, 59 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: but he had to use his broken arm, And I 60 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: was like, I would like to complain about the fact 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: that I need to slide on the ground, but I 62 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: can't do that because he's throwing something at. 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: If because he's doing another stunt with broken arms. 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: With broken arms, that to me was really wild. Do 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: you remember the scene in the church also when it 66 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: was you, me, Hannibil and probably Ham but I'm not sure. 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: And Hannibal farted on camera and then got upset with 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: us when we laughed if he were the ones not 69 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: being for fun and said, come on, man, and I said, 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: I can't, you can't, that's impossible. 71 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: I do remember that that was that was pure sabotage. 72 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 73 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: There were so many hard laughs on that set, so 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: many ridiculous experiences. 75 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: And then this is this is like we'll probably cut this. 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 2: Because this is like some some celebrity whining. But I 77 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: remember being so excited because they're like, hey, we got 78 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: a jet for the whole cast, and we're going to 79 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: that's how we're going to travel on this press tour. 80 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: So we're all flying together and I'm like, oh, this 81 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: is great. We get private airports, luxury jet. It was 82 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: like a battered old like like a school bus with wings. 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: Literally it was like a nineteen seventies like Southwest retired airplane, 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: and it was such a piece of jump. It was 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: like I mean, okay, don't cut that head. 86 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: And I remember being like, good, oh yeah, this is 87 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: his tag. Just the disappointment. 88 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: It's like you were getting to the so that we're 89 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: we're at a private airport, like this is gonna be 90 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: so great. It's so fun and great, and then we 91 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: get on and it's like, oh, these the seats are torn, 92 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: like there's running around in this airplane. 93 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: It smells like cigarettes. 94 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: Like it was a great plane, hadn't been cleaned since 95 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: people smoked on planes. It was a Greyhound, it was 96 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: a great onund airplane. 97 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: It was that's great, I do that's great, man. 98 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So we have to get into the story. This 99 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: is a really uh, this is a fun one. It's 100 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: pretty arbitrary. How you wound up doing this story. I 101 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: don't have Usually I try to connect the guests in 102 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: some way. In this case, I was like, this is 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: just kind of a funny story, and I think Jake 104 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: will like it. So I hope this story is for Jake. 105 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: I love it. 106 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: Today we're heading back to the age of musket powder 107 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: and doodle day and daies. This story takes us to 108 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: the late seventeen hundreds, when America was but a mere 109 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: toddler and growing pains were all but expected. Wildly enough, 110 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: one of the most intriguing political stalemates of the time 111 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: revolved around measurements for distance and wait, yes, today we're 112 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: diving into the embattled and complex history of the United States' 113 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: relationship with the metric system. Sounds boring, but it is not. 114 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: It is not. Trust me on this. More specifically, we're 115 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: diving into the tragic story of French scientists and explorer 116 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 2: Joseph Dombey, and you will understand why very shortly. There's 117 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: obviously the metric system and the imperial system. Here in 118 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: the United States we use the imperial system. There are 119 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: two other countries that still use that. The rest of 120 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: the world is all metric. Do you know those other countries? 121 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 2: I mean there's I would be amazed if you do. 122 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: No Liberia and me and mar Never would I have 123 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: guessed though, no, of course, not gunned to my head, 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't have found those two. 125 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: And I'm not disappointed in you. I didn't expect you 126 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: to know those things. 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: I'll take it. So we're the only three. 128 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. So now, if it were up to Thomas Jefferson, 129 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: we would have incorporated the metric system long long ago. However, 130 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: according to legend, the fault lay at the feet of 131 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 2: neither Jefferson nor Joseph Dumbey. 132 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: But by its. 133 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: Right, Before we go any further, here's why measurement standards 134 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: actually matter. A shared system of measurement is the quiet 135 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: backbone of civilization. It's how trade functions, science agrees on reality, 136 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: and buildings don't mysteriously end up a few inches too short. Historically, though, 137 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: measurements were a mess because they were often based on 138 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: local customs, a king's body part, or whatever some royal 139 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: person thought a foot should be that year. Back in 140 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: fourteen ninety five, King Henry the seventh of England tried 141 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: to bring some order to the chaos by standardizing units 142 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: like the bushel, peck, gallon, and court. That would eventually 143 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: become the imperial system that we use today, feet, pounds 144 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Fast forward a few centuries and 145 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 2: the Thirteen Colonies win their independence from Great Britain, but 146 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: they still need Britain as a trading partner, so America 147 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: stuck with the imperial system. The problem was everyone used 148 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: it differently. A foot in Williamsburg might not match a 149 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: foot in Philadelphia, and New York is like doing its 150 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: own thing. They have the Dutch system. It's just like 151 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: a total mess. In seventeen ninety, across the Atlantic and 152 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: in the middle of their own revolution, France's National Assembly 153 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: turned to their Academy of Sciences and basically said, please 154 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: invent a measurement system that can survive chaos, which means 155 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: try to deduce an invariable standard for all measurements and weights, 156 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: et cetera. This is like how the Enlightenment worked, right, 157 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: This is sort of peak Enlightenment thinking. The idea was 158 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: that nature is impartial. Kings get beheaded, governments collapse, but 159 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: the planet is constant. It keeps spinning. So if you 160 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: base your measurements on nature itself, they will outlast wars 161 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 2: and revolutions and very bad political decisions. And that's how 162 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: we arrived at the meter, which was named after the 163 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: Greek word metron meeting measure standard or rule. This was 164 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: the again France's National Assembly. They defined the meter as 165 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: one ten millionth of the distance from the north pole 166 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: to the equator, then built everything else from there weight, volume, 167 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: surface area, and the whole thing scaled up or down 168 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: using a very simple decimal system, all based on the 169 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: number ten. And this was really badass. Like this system worked, 170 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: It was very simple, and this got Thomas Jefferson really excited. 171 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: So on July fourth, seventeen ninety he brought the concept 172 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: of metrication to Congress. Massive spoiler alert. Congress was like, nope, no, thanks. 173 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Past hard pass yeah, past, don't fully get it passed. 174 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: You're a smart Eye TJ. But it's a pass for us. 175 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: We are gonna uh they executive Congress was Hollywood executive. 176 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: When you try to pitch original ip. 177 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: Pass, we're big fans of you, and we also love 178 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 2: this idea. I think this idea has legs and we honestly, 179 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: do you ever get this one? Can't wait to see 180 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: that movie. I can't wait to see that movie. 181 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: That's what they said to Thomas Jefferson. 182 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've got something too similar. We can't do 183 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: too It's like it's just no, no, no, you guys 184 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: don't get it. The metric system replaces the appearance. 185 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but does it? This is a brilliant idea. Honestly, 186 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: the people above me are no. But I'm a yes. 187 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: But let's just think of another come back a couple 188 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: weeks with something new. But let's just keep this one 189 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: as this. 190 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: Congress said note to Jefferson. But he didn't give up. 191 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: He had friends in high places, and as the former 192 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: ambassador to France, he noticed that their system really seemed 193 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: to be clicking along pretty well. So by seventeen ninety three, 194 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: the history gets a little fuzzy. It's unclear whether Jefferson 195 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: officially placed the order, or if France was simply eager 196 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 2: to export their own shiny new system abroad. But what 197 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: is clear is that France sent one of their brightest minds, 198 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: physician and botanist and overall badass explorer, Joseph Dombey, carrying 199 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: two precious artifacts to the United States. A metal rod 200 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: measuring exactly one meter this was like a standard that 201 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: could then be used as a sort of master standard, 202 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: and a small copper cylinder weighing precisely one kilogram, also 203 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: to be a standard. But as Dombey will soon learn, 204 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: nothing invites disaster quite like crossing the Atlantic with priceless 205 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: objects and a calm sense of optimism. 206 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: Well this comes to the pirates. 207 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's about to get piratey. So Joseph Dombey 208 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: set sail for Philadelphia in January of seventeen ninety four 209 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: from the port of Legre off the northern French coast. 210 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: He was aboard a brig owned by a merchant stationed 211 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: in New York. Joseph Rappin we aished to have a 212 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: picture of Joseph dom Dombey. Let's take a look. 213 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: That guy wasn't striking at twenty I feel like he's distinguished. 214 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: I'm just worried. I'm just worried. He's not wearing any clothes. 215 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: I feel like he was his choice. I know this 216 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: as a fact. 217 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: He was wearing no bottoms during the thing, and the 218 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: artist kept saying, Joseph, do you want to put something on? 219 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: And he goes, this will do. They go, it's just 220 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: the top half. You could wear a tie, this will do. 221 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: We could even put a blanket over. It's drafty in here. 222 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: She just said, this will do. 223 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: Okay, Joseph. 224 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean, so I'm distracted by your genitals and so 225 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm asking you to put shorts on. This will do. Okay, 226 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: Let's just do it. This was supposed to be a 227 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: full body sculpture. 228 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do. 229 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: A book exactly. Also, Joseph, can you not make direct 230 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: eye contact with me while I'm sculpting because you're intimidating me. 231 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: You want to smile a little bit or something less 232 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: scary and menacing because you're naked. 233 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: He's actually a pretty badass guys, as we will find 234 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: out Ole Joey Dombey. He wasn't just a scientist. He 235 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 2: was a seasoned transatlantic explorer. Unfortunately, he had also spectacularly 236 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: bad luck. He spent two years in Peru collecting specimens 237 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: plant specimens for France, only to have his ship captured 238 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: by the British and the plants seized. Then he tried 239 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: to get in Chile on a joint venture with Spain, 240 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: which ended up in a dispute and the Spanish team 241 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 2: confiscated all his work. So third time's the charm, right, 242 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: Well no, because after smooth sailing across most of the Atlantic, 243 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: they reached the Caribbean and that's when everything went sideways. 244 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: On February twelfth, a fierce tropical storm knocked the ship 245 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: off course, damaged it, and left it taking on water. 246 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: So they limped to the nearest port, Guadalupe, which is 247 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: a French archipelago in the Caribbean about fourteen hundred miles 248 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: southeast of Florida. If you had made it this far 249 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: on a journey and then just got your ass kicked 250 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: by a crazy storm and wound up on this like 251 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: beautiful tropical island, would you. 252 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Maybe just be like, this is where I stay? And 253 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: you know my answer, guys, we made it, and they go, 254 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: but this isn't it is? This was always the goal? Really, 255 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna take my clothes off and hope somebody 256 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: sculpts me. We're home boys. We made it. I will 257 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: never get on that seat again. This is it. Our 258 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: story has in fact changed. But there's very little here. 259 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: There's coconuts. 260 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 261 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: Very little here? There's trees, there's fish everywhere. 262 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: There's probably an animal or two. How should I know? 263 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's rum well you. 264 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: Know everything that's on this island. I don't think so, 265 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: not yet yet. But I'm telling you what. We're not 266 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: leaving again. I know that for sure. 267 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: Well, Dumbay is not deterred. He's still very eager to 268 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: get to the United States. 269 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: And what city did he want to go to? It 270 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: was it? Did you say Philly? I mean you imagine 271 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: he's in the caravan and he's like, I have to 272 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: get to Philadelphia. But have you been to Philadelphia? 273 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: I'm Joey. 274 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Joseph, First of all, put clothes on. 275 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Second of all, don't worry about get to fill it. 276 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: It's November, my king, it's cold, it's gnarally really unusual. 277 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: Accent too, shocked, tough, even the kid. Yeah, Unfortunately, Dombay's 278 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: perilous situation was about to get even worse because he 279 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: fell dangerously ill. And now on top of that, this 280 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: is even what if you're sick. I'm not getting back 281 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: on a boat if I'm sick. But this is Dombe 282 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: is like determined. They couldn't even get the ship fully repaired, 283 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: so it sets sail again, still partially damaged. Then on 284 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: April first, the ship was intercepted by British privateers, which. 285 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Says something about Joseph that I know is a fact 286 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: now after hearing about him and the fact that he 287 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: has bad luck, and he sets sail again and the 288 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: boat wasn't ready and pirates got him, and he's naked 289 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: in his sculptures. M M. I wouldn't say he has 290 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: bad luck. I think he makes bad decisions. I think 291 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: for a super smart guy, he doesn't make the best 292 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: life choices. The boat is not ready, the ship's not ready. 293 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: They're going like those I don't think it's going to 294 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: get there. And he goes, I think we're ready, not ready, 295 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: let's go now board ready. We were crashed into an island. 296 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: With your first idea, Joey, we're not ready, let's go. 297 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: You imagine the pirates getting on that and seeing. 298 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: Them, Yeah, well we're about to get there. This is 299 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: actually quite interesting. So the ship is intercepted by British privateers, 300 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: and now these are essentially government sanctioned pirates. At the time, 301 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: Britain legally outsourced piracy. If you robbed the enemy, the 302 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 2: crown called it patriotism and took a cut. And at 303 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: the time Britain and France were essentially in perpetual conflict, 304 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 2: and this made all French ships traveling the Atlantic legitimate targets. 305 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: The pirates boarded Dambe's ship, he scrambled below deck, throwing 306 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: his clothes off as he ran. Apparently so he evidently 307 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: he was wearing say that it does, because then he 308 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 2: changed into the clothes of one of one of the 309 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: Spanish sailors head he. 310 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: Was trying to he ripped his clothes off while he 311 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: was being chased by. 312 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 2: Pirates before they boarded. Uh, he scrambled below deck. 313 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: He's like his first thought is you imagine working on 314 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: that ship and not respecting your leader's choices, And you're like, well, 315 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: back on the water, the boat's not ready. And then 316 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: you go, guys, he's a government sanction pirates and your 317 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: captain goes, everybody, take off your clothes. He doesn't tell 318 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: the crew to take up the Joe, that's the wrong. 319 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: He runs and hides and tries to disguise himself as 320 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: a Spanish sailor because a lot of the crew was Spanish, 321 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: and so he puts on there the sort of like 322 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: that's interesting, I guess the less fancy crew clothing. And 323 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: he sort of hopes that he can fumble his way 324 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: through because he knows a little bit Ofish from his 325 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: trips to South America. But the pirates were like, that's 326 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 2: a pretty strong French accent in yours in your bad Spanish. 327 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: Hey Joe, that's a bad decision. What you're doing is weird. Man, God, 328 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: I wish you were on this. 329 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: Boat like we might have that we might have the 330 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 2: metric system had it not been if Jake Johnson had 331 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: been on this. 332 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: Hey Joe, we know you. We came to get you. 333 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 334 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 4: And he goes me, Joel, I'm long, come on stop it, 335 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 4: come on you are you good at I remember Sid 336 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 4: Caesar used to do those incredible. 337 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: He could do like gibberish in a foreign accent, like 338 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: like whether it was German, or Italian or French. He 339 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 2: could like convincingly sound like he was speaking the language, 340 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: even though it was complete gibbers Are you capable of that? 341 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: Is that one of your skills? No? No, terrible? Are 342 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: you do you have? I mean your music? 343 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: I feel it's something you could probably work on and 344 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: get there. 345 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't do them all, but if I worked on it, 346 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: I could do like two very specific ones where you're like, 347 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: that's pretty good gibberish in that language. But I could 348 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 1: not be somebody who does them all. 349 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: The pirates very quickly identified Dombay and they brought him 350 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: to be a prisoner on the Caribbean island of Montserat. 351 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: The pirates alluded the ship, and before they could fulfill 352 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: their plan of offering up Dombay for ransom to the 353 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: French government, he tragically died while in captivity on the island. 354 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: How do he die? Do we know? 355 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what he was sick with, but he 356 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 2: got sick somewhere on the passage, and it just it 357 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: took him. I'm sure, like like eighteenth century pirates also 358 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 2: weren't didn't provide the most hospitable accommodations. I'm not I'm 359 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: guessing it wasn't like club med where he was saying, 360 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: so that all probably contributed. But this is where things 361 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: get a little bit fuzzy. Some account suggests the pirates 362 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: auctioned off the ship's most valuable cargo to parts unknown. 363 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: Others claim they were spooked by paperwork linking those the 364 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: meter and kilo measurement standards. Those were linked to Jefferson, 365 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: and so the pirates were like, oh my god, what 366 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: do we do? But either way, those pieces vanished and 367 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: for the moment they were lost to history. And it 368 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: is thought that because those things didn't make it to 369 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson, that that is why we didn't get the 370 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: metric system. 371 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: That's crazy. 372 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: Our best shot at going metrics sank into the crystal 373 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: blue Caribbean. 374 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, that's a neat story. 375 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: Well what it would be different now if we actually 376 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 2: had the metric system? But other than our car speedometers. 377 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. 378 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: I know that. 379 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: I got a Rivian right now. 380 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: Brag brag, Yeah, mad respect bro. 381 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: By the way, you couldn't be more of a dad 382 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: When a Rivian suv is a brag I'm driving a porch. 383 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I got a car that can fit 384 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: six kids, luggage and a dog, and you go, Jesus, 385 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: you're winning. It doesn't go fast, and I will I 386 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: will say, it's not that much fun to drive, But 387 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: the lou the storage. 388 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: In that baby get now I'm getting jubby. That is exciting. 389 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: God damn, my cant storage. What do you think would 390 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: be different? 391 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: Well, I actually think that it would have made a 392 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: huge difference. And it's impossible to sort of know the counterfactual, 393 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: like what what it would be. But the metric system 394 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: is so simple and it is so intuitive that I 395 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: think it actually opens up a lot of construction and 396 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: engineering to people that may not have benefited from education. 397 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: And so I don't know. 398 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: I like to think that had we adopted the metric 399 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: system earlier on, we may have advanced more quickly. More 400 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: people would have had more access to science and to engineering, 401 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: and we would be in a more interesting place. As 402 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: it stands, we're still using the imperial system, obviously, and 403 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 2: it's it's so clunky, like it is, it's so hard. 404 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: You have to use special calculators to figure out these 405 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: fractions of inches and feet and that there's no it 406 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: makes it's just so needlessly complicated. But let's get let's 407 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: actually get into the legacy of this a little bit, 408 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: because there's more to it. Jefferson soon became president, as 409 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: we know, in eighteen oh one, yet even then he 410 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: remained unable to make any progress metric heating America. Finally, 411 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty six, the Metric Act came to be 412 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: legally recognizing the metric system in the US, though not 413 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: going so far as to make it mandatory in any way. 414 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: And there's an interesting reason for that. And he guesses, 415 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: we're right after the Civil War. The Industrial Revolution is 416 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: like cranking. Basically, we're already knee deep in the imperial 417 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: system with like huge factories, railways. 418 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: It's gonna be it'd be. 419 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: A nightmare, massive engineering projects, and there's no Internet, Like 420 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: you can't just email people new new plans or whatever. 421 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Also, once you get the ball rolling on something, you 422 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: can't do a big shift. It just doesn't quite work 423 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: with that many people to say like, hey, everybody, this 424 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: is better, so everybody start doing this. You're like, no way, Well, yeah. 425 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: You just have systems in place that are very very 426 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: hard to undo. 427 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: It's over. It's too late. Even if the systems are wrong. 428 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: You're like, we're pop committed. Yeah, I still I still 429 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: think you can. 430 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: I still think you can make the commitment and then 431 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: account for the difficulty of the transition in some ways 432 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: and and just know that you're in for a tough slog, 433 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: but that the other side is. 434 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: Like so much better if you can get there. But 435 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: it takes a generation to sacrifice for the next generation. 436 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 2: Pretty much, you're right, because. 437 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: You're like, then there's gonna be like some like older 438 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: guy who's like I can't wrap my head around the 439 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: new stuff. And it's like, I know because you've been 440 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: doing it wrong for fifty years, but I promise you 441 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be better in one hundred years. And that 442 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: person needs to go. I see the benefit in this exactly. 443 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: It takes. It's a big ask. It's a big ask. 444 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: Have you ever stayed in a hotel in Canada and 445 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: you're like the freaking the thermostat, You're like, what you 446 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: have to get on my phone and do? 447 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: Like I hate it. 448 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,959 Speaker 2: I cannot get self had confused. 449 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: By the simple like that, Well that's what I was 450 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: talking about on my rivan because it's incelsius. So I'll 451 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: go like the temperature in my car is I'll be like, thirteen, 452 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: you can change that, Jake, It's a Rivian. I don't 453 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: know how do it. I'm the real Joseph Tombay. 454 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 2: Somebody leave in the comments instructions for Jake to change 455 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: his Rivian from Celsius to Fairs. 456 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: But by the way, I have no idea what the 457 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: temperature my car is. 458 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: Ever, by the way, Rivian's an American company. 459 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: It's an American company. I believe me. I know. I 460 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: don't get it, and I hate it. I'll tell you 461 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: the other thing that the one thing I'm glad that 462 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: doesn't exist is that we don't do our weight in stone. 463 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: That's something I've never been able to wrap my head around. 464 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird one. 465 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: When people speak honestly, especially in like the MMA community 466 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: or fighters, we're probably watching something and they'll be like, 467 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: at that point he was eight stone, and I'm like, 468 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: you're measuring yourself in stones? That be real. 469 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: There are a lot of weird measurements. Remember horses, you 470 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: are measured in hands, Like the height of a horse 471 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 2: is like there's like thirty hands or something like whose. 472 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: Hands hands are? Did doesn't make any sense? Or when 473 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: people still to this day they'll go like, it's about 474 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: eight feet and they'll count their footsteps right right, and 475 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: they'll go one, two. I'm like, not, you're a you're not, 476 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: that's your different feet what You're not the center of it. 477 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: I also hate the idea of stone of like and 478 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: then you think at one point there was one stone 479 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: where they're like, this is the official stone that you 480 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: weigh in. IM like, I hate this idea of people 481 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: being like I lost I lost a stone and I've 482 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: heard people say that, and I have to go like, 483 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: that means nothing to me. I don't get it. I 484 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: can't wrap my head. I agree, I don't know how 485 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: many pounds of stone is. 486 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: No. 487 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: It also makes me feel like you live in a 488 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: different century than. 489 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: Me, and I think there are a lot of like 490 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: hands measuring horses. There are a lot of unusual metaphors 491 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: that we still exist, or not metaphors, but but sort 492 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: of like, yeah, that still exists. A famous one, of course, 493 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: is the size of a tumor. Right, we're always there's 494 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: no sort of constant reference point for that. It's just 495 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: sort of like a grapefruit or a softball or. 496 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about the size of a golf ball or 497 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: a grapefruit, nothing in between. Yeah. And by the way, 498 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: at our most important diagnosis, you have a tumor in 499 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: your brain. Yeah, what's the size of it. It's about 500 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: a grapefruit, which a baby grapefruit? 501 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: Like a small which one or a big one? It's 502 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: just grapefruit like. It's kind of Yeah, it's bigger than 503 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: a golf ball, and the next smaller than a grapefruit. 504 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Can we say tennis ball? 505 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 4: No? 506 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: Can we say or orange? 507 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: We don't recognize tennis ball in this hospital. 508 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: By the way, that's insane. Can you imagine a real doctor, 509 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: I go on their little note sheets the tumors about 510 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: the size of a golf ball? 511 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: Are you nuts? 512 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: It's this is science. I don't like it. 513 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy five, the Metric Conversion Act designated the 514 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: metric system as the preferred system for US trade and 515 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: commerce and directed federal agencies to convert to metric. Slowly, 516 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: but surely, we started making progress to catch up with 517 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: the world, but clearly adoption by the broader population remains 518 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: totally voluntary and therefore extremely extremely slow. 519 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: Yes, well, if it's not mandatory, the change isn't going 520 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: to occur. 521 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Do you want it to? Like do you? 522 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: Are you pro metric even though even knowing it would 523 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: be a pain in the ass for a bit, like 524 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: would you. 525 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to be perfectly honest before this call, I 526 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever thought about it. 527 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: That's okay, I'm asking you so I can't. 528 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: I can't say I'm I would say, with the way 529 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: my brain works and how slow it is with change, 530 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: well no, let's keep it as it is. I think 531 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: that's a shitty take. I know it's not a great take. 532 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: I love you, but I think, like you know, for 533 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: the for the good of humanity, like metric is just better. 534 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: So if you were king, you would say we're switching 535 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: right now, I would. 536 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: Say I would put our best minds on, like figuring 537 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: out a transition. 538 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: How do you find the best minds at at this point? Well, 539 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: the best mind back then you should take his clothes 540 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:43,239 Speaker 1: off for sculptures, the best mind. When pirates came, his 541 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: first thought was, I'm gonna dress up like a Spaniard. 542 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: You're right that the that my idea is predicated on 543 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: the assumption that we can locate the best minds these days. 544 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: That seems extremely hard. It's impossible. 545 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: I feel like in science it shouldn't be that tricky. 546 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: But so, whatever happened to Dombey's mysterious kilo and meter rod? 547 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: What a find? 548 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we know where it is. It landed in the 549 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: lap of an American surveyor, Andrew Ellicott, who became famous 550 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: for his work on the street plan for Washington, DC. 551 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: Around nineteen fifty two. The Ellicott family eventually realized that 552 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: they had something special, the descendants of Andrew Ellicott, and 553 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: they turned the pieces of plundered treasure over to the 554 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: agency that would become the National Institute of Standards and Technology. 555 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: That's cool, which is a really kind of a cool 556 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: sounding institute. I don't know. It's like people who really 557 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: care about precise things. ED, do you really care about precision? 558 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: I think I do, and am almost involuntarily I you 559 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: like it. I'm not like a tidy, fastidious person, but 560 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: I do. I am like I like, I'm crafty with 561 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: likewbby stuff, and I am very meticulous about about sort 562 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: of like things fitting and measuring properly. I'm also weirdly 563 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: and this is to my own detriment. I am weirdly 564 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: obsessed with like clarity. When people are speaking or trying 565 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: to make a point with me, I get very frustrated 566 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 2: if they're unclear, or if they're like interesting, or if 567 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: they just drops forget to sort of give me a 568 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: piece of context. 569 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, am, I supposed to know, what do 570 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: you mean? Like? And it's it's not rational or fair, 571 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: but it's not just how you are, but I think 572 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: it is. 573 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: There is something about like like that, like precision in 574 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: communication is like incredibly important to me. And I'm not 575 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: even that good necessarily, I'm not. 576 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: Like, but I understand what you're saying. 577 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: It trives me nuts when somebody's unclear. 578 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, that's neat. That's neat. It's different. Yeah, it 579 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: is a weird thing. I mean, it's at least it's 580 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: different from my life view. So that's why I asked 581 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: where you said, like that museum sounded interesting, and I 582 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: think for me, precision is the exact details of things 583 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: being right never interested me. I love the in between. 584 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: I love the gray area. I love the when things 585 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: fall off the rails. If things are all going well 586 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: and it all falls off, that's when I'm like, oh, excited, Yeah, 587 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: I hear that. I've just as even as a kid, 588 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: I've always liked it. I'm like, oh, that's when things 589 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: are fun for me. 590 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: I feel that about you, Jake, and I will say 591 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: it's an incredibly endearing aspect of you. 592 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: I really I admire that. I feel the same with 593 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: you about yours Ed. I admire that about you, truly. 594 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: It might speak a little bit to how we approach 595 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: comedy and storytelling differently, and I find acting and improvising 596 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: with you to be like so fun, Like you're one 597 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: of the most present people to improvise with. I always 598 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: I sort of can't believe the things you're clocking because 599 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: it's so in the moment and in the space, and 600 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: and it makes me You'll clock the most random, specific things, 601 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: and it makes. 602 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: Me laugh so hard, and it's truly a joy. I 603 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: feel the same about you. But I feel what's really 604 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: night neat about this moment is what I like about 605 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: you is I think we're playing very different games, and 606 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: I like being in scenes with you because I'm like, like, 607 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 1: for example, my podcast is very loose. We take calls, 608 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: we have no idea what's happening. Everything is meant to 609 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: be a mistake. I came on what was happening? No 610 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: idea and that same for me on this one, and 611 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: what I was like, Oh, this is so d to me. 612 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: It's really interesting information where you've done a lot of work, 613 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: You've prepared it, you have not bullshitted through a story. 614 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: You have prepared and told all these different beats, and 615 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: you have moments where you're like, there could be an 616 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: interjection here where I was like, oh, this is an 617 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: ed formula and mine we're here to help with such 618 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: a jake for me where it's hey, you're here, we're recording. Yeah, 619 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: have a caller come on. What are they saying? I 620 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: don't know, Hopefully something goes wrong and then we've got 621 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: twenty five minutes. 622 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: I also love that, and this is I'm delighted to 623 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 2: be sort of plugging your podcast in this moment too, 624 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: because it is so funny and the premise you I 625 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 2: think you told me, like a few minutes into the 626 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 2: podcast you're like, oh yeah, and by the way, we 627 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 2: have to agree with the caller, like like we have 628 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 2: to take the callers side in this. 629 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: Way, try to do no matter what, be on their team. 630 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 1: So there are What. 631 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 2: I love about that and what is so jake to 632 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: me about that is how ludicrously arbitrary that is. It's like, 633 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: this is just a this will make things interesting, this 634 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 2: will mess things up, like this will just this will 635 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: keep everyone off bounce, this will make this will make 636 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: everyone have to like like condition their answer in such 637 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: a ridiculous way that you can't, you can't rely on 638 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 2: your tricks and your tools and your whatever your instincts. 639 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, we're gonna take We're just gonna 640 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 2: make this. And it just makes me like that by 641 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 2: itself makes me laugh. 642 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: Well, because if you were if you were allowed to disagree, 643 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: then a lot of us would come on and go, no, 644 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: let me tell you how it should be. Sure, And 645 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, but if they're driving the train and all 646 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: we're doing, if they're the star player on the team 647 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: and it's our job to make sure they win, then 648 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: you go like, their logic's crazy, But I have to 649 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: be with them. It's like being on the ship with Joseph. 650 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: It's being Joseph down Bay's you know, right hand man, 651 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: and being like, okay, my man, I can't tell you no, 652 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: I wish you had pants on but you want to 653 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: dress up like a Spaniard. My man, me too, me too, 654 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: And then you're going do this is he I am one? 655 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: And they go this is bullshit and you go, hey, Joe, 656 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: that was not the best plan, right. That is so joyful. 657 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 2: Oh, Jake Johnson, another damn delightful hang out with you. 658 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming on. 659 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: I feel the same about you, Ed, I love you, buddy. 660 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: Really fun right on. 661 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 2: Snaffo is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Snaffoo Media, 662 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 2: a partnership between Film Nation Entertainment and Pacific Electric Picture Company. 663 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: Post production and creative support from. 664 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: Good Egg Audio. 665 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are me Ed Helms, Mike Falbo, Glenn Basner, 666 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 2: Andy Kim, and Dylan Fagan. 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