1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 2: I'm buzz night and welcome to taking a Walk. Some 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: voices don't just sing, they speak to you. I'm taking 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: a walk today. I'm joined by Grammy winning singer songwriter Cam, 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: whose music blends heart, storytelling, and a bold spirit all 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: her own. We'll talk about the journey, the lessons, and 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: the moments on the road that shape the songs. Next 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: with Cam Taking a Walk. It's so nice to meet you, 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: Cam on Taking a Walk. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: Nice to meet you. Thanks for having me. 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for being here. So we'd like to open 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: the podcast with our signature question here since we call 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: this podcast taking a Walk, Cam, if you could take 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: a walk with somebody living or dead, who would you 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: take a walk with and where? 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: I would probably take a walk with my Grandma. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 4: Marvel, because as I miss her, she's kind of like 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 4: the light of our family, huge personality, matriarch, and I 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: think I would probably take a walk with her at 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 4: their ranch in southern California. 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: That would be probably beautiful, I'm guessing Camp, Yes, so 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: it's gorgeous. 23 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: It's like, I think people have this misconception that California 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: somehow isn't country like all the Texans and the Oklahomas 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 4: kind of have like a choke hold on it. But 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 4: you know, we had our own oge migration, and we 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: have our own dance halls, and we got our own 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 4: country music, and we got barns and there's just palm 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 4: trees sometimes in the mix exactly. 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: So the new album, All Things Light, it's been called 31 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: your most personal and sonically ambitious project yet, can you 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: share how motherhood and your recent life experiences have so 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: beautifully shaped this record? 34 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, beautifully in the way that you know how they 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: describe AWE, like AWE is this thing that's like kind 36 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: of a mix of like terror and wonder at something 37 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: that's sort of unknowable. 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: And that's how I felt. 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 4: Coming into motherhood and the pandemic at the same time. 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: It was like a normal sort of identity crush and 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: shift that happens, but then to have it happen while 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: the whole world was going through like an identity crush 43 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 4: and shift. I'm laughing, but they have to laugh from 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: like it was just so intense and I I'm not 45 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: someone that can be met with like an existential crisis 46 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 4: and then just go, oh, I won't think about that today. 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: I'll think about that tomorrow. 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: I'm like, I get sucked into it and I have 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: to stare it dead in the face and come to 50 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 4: terms with that, like fix it or accept it. And 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: that's the only way I know how to do it. 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 4: So in that time of like you know, early early 53 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 4: baby on my lap and not knowing what was going 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 4: to happen, I started spending some time by myself in 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 4: the studio and these songs started coming out, and it 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: was like it felt like a new well that I 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 4: was like tapping into somehow. 58 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 3: So it's it's. 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: Kind of like my patchwork of beliefs, of things that 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: I needed to hear in questions I needed to ask, 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 4: and like foundational like touchstones that I needed to carry 62 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: me through that period. 63 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: I often feel asking musicians what's on their playlist shades 64 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: the way I think a new creation comes to light 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: in its own regard with those influences that are on 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: a playlist. So what would we see on your playlist? 67 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: My playlist is all over the place, which maybe is 68 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: why people say things like sonically ambitious, And I think 69 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 4: it's because my normal is like a very big wide net, 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: Like I grew up in a children's choir, so I 71 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: learned how to sing in like Bulgarian folk songs and 72 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: like varities requiem and so I have things like musical theater, 73 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 4: like soundtracks to classical music to folk music to like, 74 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 4: I just everything all around to like I got really 75 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 4: on a kick of like sixties French pop music for 76 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 4: a while, and. 77 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: There's not many things I dislike. Maybe that's maybe more 78 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: of an. 79 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: Issue any particular artists at least on the folk side 80 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: that you want to single out. 81 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think you can hear it on the 82 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 4: album too, Joni Mitchell for sure. And yeah, I just 83 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 4: love My mom loved folk music. And I remember, like 84 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 4: in college getting really into Bob Dylan, and I was like, Mom, 85 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: you're not gonna believe this guy named Bob Dylan. And 86 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 4: my mom was like, I was smoking pot and Quilton 87 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: to Bob Dylan before you were a twinkle in your 88 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: daddy's at you know. Like, it's so it's so fun 89 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 4: now having recorded music and getting all of us getting 90 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 4: to experience it at the right time in the right. 91 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 5: Age, you know, and then reconnecting with everybody about how 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 5: that affects everything. 93 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: So the Weavers, that folk group, which side are you on? 94 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: Which side? Are you on love that too? 95 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: Oh? I did? 96 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: I have to confess something whenever a guess because you 97 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: sings a little bit just like you did, you might 98 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: be able to notice that I was blushing with joy 99 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: when you did that. 100 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: I like doing it, so I just I couldn't resist. 101 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: Telling you that. But aw, are you a fingerpicker with guitar? 102 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 4: You mean? 103 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? 104 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 4: I am an untrained, unskilled and somehow people think it's 105 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: like inventive. 106 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: So yes, there's no pick involved. 107 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 4: There's like there's kind of a strummy thing happening, and 108 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: it's not. 109 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: I don't I won't recommend it to. 110 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 4: Anyone, but every now and then I'll play on a 111 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,559 Speaker 4: record like I got to play on Sam Smith record 112 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: that we did together called Palace. 113 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: And everyone's like, what is that tone? It's like the 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: tone of ignorance and just pure emotion. Oh, come on, 115 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: it sounds beautiful. 116 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's the I think some times being untrained, 117 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 5: You know how they say like for meditators, like being 118 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 5: a beginner is like the best thing because you don't 119 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 5: have the expectations. 120 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: You don't have any of those. 121 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 4: You're not trying to force it to be anything. And 122 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: I have my guitar skills. I'll keep around beginner level 123 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: for that reason. 124 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Do you feel in today's 125 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: world of the way studios and you know, software works, 126 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: that the beauty of imperfection has sort of been left behind? M? 127 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And then I think there's this other like 128 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: symptom that comes up with it that people will overly romanticize. 129 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: I'm so a fault of doing this too, Like live, 130 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 4: very very live, raw music, and the opportunity we all 131 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: get to get into recording spaces now, like there's not 132 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: the inherent same gatekeeping, which is amazing, but also like 133 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: you didn't have to work so so hard playing live 134 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: and touring it for years and then finally get in 135 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 4: and play something live. So the abilities of people to 136 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: play live and play raw and unfiltered and have happy accidents, 137 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 4: I don't think they happened as much either, because people 138 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 4: are just we don't. 139 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: Practice it the same way. 140 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 4: We just show up with crazy ideas and we want 141 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: to record it and then we. 142 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: Go tour it. 143 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: The lead track on All Things like turns out that 144 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: I'm God correct me if I'm wrong. It was inspired 145 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: by Alan Watts, wasn't it? 146 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 147 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: And Alan Watts lecture and Deep Introspection. What drew you 148 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: to those themes and how did they find their way 149 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: into your songwriting. 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't raised religious. 151 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 4: My dad was a Catholic and then decidedly not a Catholic. 152 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: And my kind of like I think, did a couple 153 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 4: of Christian science things one time, but never really. They're 154 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 4: both very you know, spiritual people but not religious, and 155 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: I loved that growing up. And then I hit this, 156 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 4: you know, unsure time, like I was telling you, and 157 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: I needed something more, and so I think reaching for 158 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: anybody that wanted to talk about being spiritual but that 159 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: had a language that I could understand as someone that 160 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: wasn't raised in religion. 161 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: It's like I kind of like. 162 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: I don't have the vocabulary to just jump in in 163 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 4: a lot of spaces. And so Alan Watson, you know, 164 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: he's kind of like self admittedly entertainment or er most 165 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 4: of the time. Even so him just like I just found, 166 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: I don't know all of us like new agey people do. 167 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 4: We just get into these philosophical lectures and that one 168 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 4: I remember sitting in the studio and listening and being like, whoa, 169 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: what if we're all God and we've just forgotten, like, 170 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,239 Speaker 4: why does that feel so. 171 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: Important to say to me? 172 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: And why why is it so hard now that I'm 173 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 4: on the other end of it singing it to people? 174 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: Why is it so hard for some people to hear 175 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: and accept? And it's very interesting to me the effect 176 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 4: that song has on people and the people that need it. 177 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: Just it makes me want to cry. How wonderful it 178 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: is to hear people like finally say that about themselves 179 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: and recognize the divine in themselves and what a comfort 180 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: that is. And yeah, and it's very very interesting to 181 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 4: hear people that they can't they can't or won't or 182 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: don't wanna, don't. 183 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 3: Want to hear it. 184 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: So you had some some interesting collaborators on this project. 185 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: Tyler Johnson, Jeff Basker, anybody I'm leaving leaving out that. 186 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, actually tons, because Tyler is kind of like my 187 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: musical brother. 188 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 3: We came up together. 189 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: I met him a boyfriend of mine a long time ago, 190 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 4: shared an apartment with him, and we were just like, 191 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 4: let's make music. And here we are, all these years later, 192 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: still making music, which is so fun. And Jeff, I've 193 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 4: worked with on the past albums too. He's you know, 194 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 4: obviously a huge name. And then it was so fun 195 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 4: because Tyler and I set up shop at East West Studios, 196 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 4: which is where they did Mamas and Papas and Beach 197 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 4: Boys Pet Sounds. 198 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: It's, you know, obviously iconic and you can hear it in. 199 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 4: The room, you know, and it's such a fun spot 200 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 4: to sort of sit in and brainstorm and come up 201 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: with ideas. And then we'd have, you know, in Los Angeles, 202 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: you'd have really talented people just swing by and help out, 203 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: like Ethan Gruska and Michael lu Zaruu. And it's it's 204 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 4: like I joke that it feels like kind of like 205 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: a little sitcom or something, because I walked through the 206 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: door like, hey, you know, and that's what fun thing 207 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 4: are we going to do to day? 208 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: And yeah, Tyler and I said, we just had the best. 209 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: This is probably the most fun. 210 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: We had making a record because obviously we're very I 211 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: don't know if it's obvious, but I'm pretty serious when 212 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: it comes to like the music and the content of it, 213 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: and he can be very serious about it too, But 214 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: I feel like we held it much more lightly this 215 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: time around, so it made it made for a really 216 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 4: fun time between us and with you know, all these 217 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: incredibly talented people coming in and how they could work 218 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: with us. 219 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more of the Taking a 220 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Welcome back to the Taking a Walk Podcast. 221 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: So you studied psychology and you worked in research labs, yeah, 222 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: and then you made the big leap into into music. 223 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: How do those experiences outside of music sort of impact 224 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: you as you kind of reflect on it. 225 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:58,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 226 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: I think being slightly older and having just like had 227 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: another job that in itself helps because I think a 228 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 4: lot of young people that they're like, I don't you know, 229 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: they don't go to college and they come straight into 230 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 4: the music business and it'll just eat us all alive. 231 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: So I think I felt slightly more grounded, although you're 232 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: never quite ready for all the punches that get thrown, 233 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: but the psychology of it, I think the same thing 234 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,359 Speaker 4: that like drives me when I find like a concept 235 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 4: or a line or like a melody and I'm like, 236 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 4: I can't let it go. I dream about it and 237 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: I think about it and I have to. I have 238 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 4: to shape it into something that is like I have 239 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 4: to make it. And that feeling I think it it 240 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 4: was like a related distant cousin that I was sort 241 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 4: of like trying to figure out how to chase it 242 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 4: when I was doing psychology research, because it was like. 243 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: Why why do I feel these things? And why does 244 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: everybody feel these things? And what is the point? And 245 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: what is it? What does it mean? 246 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 4: And kind of framing it different ways in these different labs, 247 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: like there was a lab that was about relationships and 248 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: how you do conflict resolution and relationships, and there's a 249 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: lab about attachment theory, and there's a lab about cultural 250 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 4: differences and like the emotions we want to feel, and 251 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: all of it was like starting to get at, like 252 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: pulling at the threads of I think this sort of 253 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: through line that goes in me and it's finally I 254 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 4: think I landed on it with music where it was like, oh, 255 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: this is this is the method that's going to help 256 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: me I don't know execute my purpose. That sounds really heavy, 257 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: but it's just there's something to it all that. It's like, 258 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 4: it's very discovery, discovery oriented. 259 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: The psychology of the song Slowed Down really spoke to 260 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: me immediately in the world around us. Do I have 261 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: that right? 262 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, I hope, I mean, I hope it spoke 263 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 4: to you. I feel like it's it's very fun singing 264 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: that song for people that haven't heard it yet, because 265 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: they're like I've I've watched grown women like shed a 266 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 4: tear and people just be like, WHOA, I needed this 267 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: right now? And I yeah, our culture is not built 268 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 4: for uh. I think full presence. You know, in all 269 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: of our moments, we're very rush, rush, busy, busy. What 270 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: did you would you get done today? That determines how 271 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 4: you feel about yourself? And my first time experiencing like 272 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: outside of that, I went to Nepal after college and 273 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 4: time and like efficiency and like all these like super 274 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 4: I didn't realize like American like practices and behaviors like 275 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: it just it completely out the window and it was like, oh, 276 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: you don't have to live like. 277 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: This, And it blew my mind. 278 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 4: And so I've been trying to It's a reminder for 279 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: me to have been trying to live slower, especially now 280 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: that I've got a little kid I want to spend 281 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 4: time with. 282 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: You've written for some massive artists you mentioned Sam Smith earlier, 283 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: Beyonce obviously, while also forging your own unique path. What 284 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: lessons do you take from those experiences and how have 285 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: they influenced your solo work. 286 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: I think. 287 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: I've been so lucky to work with people that an 288 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 4: artists that are doing it in the light that I 289 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: get to see them for like art's sake, like they're 290 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: making it, which sounds so maybe obvious, but it's not obvious. 291 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of people who are doing 292 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 4: this because either they love being the. 293 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: Center of attention. 294 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: Or they are they think that there's like money to 295 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: be made, and I don't think the same money is 296 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 4: around to be made anymore. And I think some of 297 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 4: those people, I'm hoping that weeds some of them out selfishly. 298 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: But the people that even at those levels that they're at, 299 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: they could be in cruise control and they could say, well, 300 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: I'll just you know, do what I've done for eight 301 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 4: more records and be done with it, and they don't. 302 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: They push themselves into they're chasing something too, you know, 303 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 4: artistically or there they have a their purpose is to 304 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: be making something and they're following it. 305 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: And I love being around that energy. 306 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to sometimes scratch my head when I 307 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: don't know, you could fill in the blank with any 308 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: artist or band you know that is going back out 309 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: for the final retirement tour, you know, And yeah, I 310 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: would give the collective eye roll. But then the more 311 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: I kind of either listen to the artists or read 312 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: about the artists, it truly is the art that they're 313 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: chasing and that importance of community connection with an audience. 314 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: So I think and that I want to ask you 315 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 2: about how important for you is connection to community when 316 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: you go out and play live. 317 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, it. 318 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 4: I because I actually do weigh it, you know, do 319 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 4: I want to tour or not? 320 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 3: Like I take time between. 321 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 4: Albums, and I take time before I do things, and 322 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: I don't take it as a given. I'm on a road, 323 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: so therefore I must keep doing it. I like to 324 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 4: decide for myself every time. And I absolutely I get 325 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 4: so nervous right before I go out, as everybody does, 326 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 4: I think, and then I feel so like at peace 327 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 4: and welcomed. 328 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 3: Like my husband's so funny. 329 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 4: I'll be like, oh, I'm so nervous, I gotta get 330 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 4: you know, show tonight, and this is happening, and he goes, 331 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 4: you'll feel better when you sing, and it always happens. 332 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: I do just feel so much better. 333 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 4: I get up there, I sing, I feel better and 334 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 4: you're looking out at these people and everybody it's like 335 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 4: they're there because they feel the same way and we're 336 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 4: all having some version of the same experience. And that's 337 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 4: probably the most you know, honest to God's spiritual experience 338 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 4: that I've had, you know, like, and I wish everybody 339 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 4: could feel it. 340 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: I think you feel it when you come to this 341 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: shows too. 342 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: You have this like, Wow, this is like a whole 343 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: moment we're having together. You know, you're synchronized somehow. Yeah, 344 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 4: it's really special. 345 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: We produce this other podcast it's called a Music Save Me. 346 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: It's about the healing power of music and what it 347 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 2: means in that regard. Do you personally believe that music 348 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: has supernatural healing powers? 349 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. Like I gave like a. 350 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: Ten X talk one time about how healing music is 351 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 4: and how it's a part of every culture humans have 352 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: ever had since the beginning of humans, So we absolutely 353 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 4: need it is such a huge part of our community. 354 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 4: It's like not individual, it's like a community based behavior, 355 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: you know, and it just everybody. Every time I sing, 356 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 4: people want to come up and tell me how the 357 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: same thing that you're saying, like how it saved them 358 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: in a marriage, in an addiction issue, in just a 359 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: rough time in their life, in a like the valleys, 360 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 4: you know, and you're not always in a valley, so 361 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: you can be having a great time and go to 362 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 4: a show and just have a great time. 363 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: But I think for music to like save you, save you, it's. 364 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 4: When you feel like there's no way out and then 365 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,239 Speaker 4: a song like just sneaks in to your heart and 366 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 4: it reaches you and it reminds you of something that's 367 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: outside of yourself and you, yeah, it's I can't imagine a. 368 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 3: World without it. 369 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 4: Like, I think it's probably the thing we could maybe 370 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 4: be most proud of as human beings that love and music. 371 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: You know, your work, in my view, explores vulnerability as 372 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: a strength. Why is honesty such an essential tool for 373 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: you as a as a songwriter? 374 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 4: I sometimes I think it's because I'm really like like stubborn, 375 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: and I sat to refuse. Like if someone wants me 376 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 4: to do something and they tell me to do it, 377 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: I then all of a sudden, I go, I don't 378 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: want to do that anymore. And if you tell me, oh, 379 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 4: you shouldn't do that, and I definitely want to do it, 380 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: and I don't know exactly how it ties back in, 381 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: but there's something where like I have to feel like 382 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: it's my choice, and I know it's probably so obnoxious 383 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 4: in a lot of situations, but it's also like so 384 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 4: real and so me. And that's that's where I think 385 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 4: if I strip back anytime I'm being a people pleaser, 386 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: anytime I'm making sure I'm checking boxes that I society 387 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 4: told me I should do to feel successful. And you strip, strip, strip, 388 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: and then you get down to the heart of it, 389 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,239 Speaker 4: and it's like, this is the thing that makes me 390 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 4: feel seen. 391 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 3: Or feel safe. I just feel like. 392 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 4: That's the whole point. I feel it in my body 393 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: when I do it, too, Like I feel it in 394 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 4: my stomach, and it's like, that's that's what you're supposed 395 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 4: to be doing. 396 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 3: But music is such a weird thing. 397 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 4: You know, nobody really like you can go to music school, 398 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 4: but nobody really. 399 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 3: Teaches you like how to really know the feeling of 400 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: what's right and wrong. 401 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: You know, talk about the song Kill the Guru. What 402 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: was the inspiration? There was sort of a period of 403 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: time where you were traveling and you were looking for something. 404 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 2: Talk about that. 405 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that song. 406 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: I honestly I feel like anyone who says they have 407 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 4: all the answers is like the biggest red flag, Like 408 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 4: it's that you should run. 409 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: Away from anyone who says I know exactly how life goes, 410 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: I know exactly what you need, you know. It just 411 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: is like the scariest thing you can hear. But I 412 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 3: had to learn that the hard way. 413 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: I actually like fell in love with and dated Guru, 414 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 4: like when I was on that trip in Nepaul. 415 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: He was not Nepleese. 416 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 4: I don't want to give Nepleese people a bad name, 417 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 4: but I and I found out the hard way, Like 418 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: just it's so intoxicating to be around someone who acts 419 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 4: like they know and they have all the answers, especially 420 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 4: when you're twenties, you know, and like I just, oh 421 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 4: my god. Of course he didn't, and of course he 422 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 4: was just a total narcissist. So kind of like this 423 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 4: is my you know. I love when there's like a 424 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: wink in there. It's kind of country too, to like 425 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 4: have you your singing something in the narrator is like 426 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: a false narrator, like sort of lying, like are you 427 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 4: feeling lonely? 428 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: I know what to do? 429 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 4: You know, Like I love when there's like a switch 430 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 4: like that, and yeah, it's like kind of also, I 431 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: get the last laugh by naming it killed the Guru. 432 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: I get the last laugh. I love that. That's outstanding. 433 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: You've had some great collaborations with folks such as Harry Styles, 434 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: Tim McGraw, Beyonce, Alicia Keys. Any future collaborations or dream 435 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: projects you want to reveal just between us, I love that. 436 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: I feel like, to me, I am just in a 437 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 4: spot where I am so excited for the right opportunities 438 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 4: that walk through the door, and I'm sort of I'm 439 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 4: sort of most excited about someone who hasn't like broke yet. 440 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 3: Like something of me is really excited. 441 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 4: To meet somebody totally brand new, because those are my 442 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: favorite people if I have my full dream scenario, people 443 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 4: that have done it all and now do not care and. 444 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 3: They're doing only what they want to do. 445 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: And the people that are so brand new they don't 446 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: know any of the roles, so they don't follow them either, 447 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 4: and they just have so much hope and optimism for 448 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 4: what they can achieve. 449 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: And those two types of. 450 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 4: Writers and musicians are like my favorite people to work with. 451 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 4: So I feel like I've met some people at the 452 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: top now and I want more brand new energy. 453 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: So you're going to be hitting the road for a bit, 454 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 2: right and folks getting to see you out there. But 455 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: in closing, what do you hope that listeners take away 456 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: from the new album, especially when it comes to, you know, 457 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: the important themes of resilience and self discovery. 458 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for putting it so well. The first 459 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 4: line is I was busy waiting for someone to live 460 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: my life. 461 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 3: And that's that. 462 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 4: Autopilot we can all find ourselves in that I found 463 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 4: myself in. 464 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: And then something happens and it. 465 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 4: Shakes you awake or is a very oftentimes negative, sad 466 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 4: event that can kind of break you. And I hope 467 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 4: that this album is like a companion to your grief 468 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: as it was to mine. And then the end of 469 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 4: the album is Try. I just say try a bunch 470 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 4: of times like stacked and I'm like screaming it, and. 471 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: I just hope. 472 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 4: People feel like they can hold space for the darker 473 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 4: things and then they still have this light that I'm 474 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 4: giving them to sort of walk through and it's for them. 475 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: And it's for my daughter too, you know. 476 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 4: I hope when she's older and feeling lost, this is 477 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 4: something that can be there with her. 478 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful to have met you and to had 479 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: you on the podcast. 480 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: Kim, so wonderful talking with you so awesome. 481 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: Congrats on all things light and good luck on the tour, 482 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: and all good health to you and all good health 483 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: to your family. 484 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 3: I appreciate that right back at you. 485 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 486 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. 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