WEBVTT - Draft Show: Talking Trades 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:11.080 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.880 room for insider news and trapped analysis from deep within 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.079 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in for 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:26.840 school and now your host. Brian brought us Kyle Yeomans 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:34.280 and David Hellman. It's Thursday, April the twenty first, the 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:39.040 twenty twenty two NFL Draft is exactly a week away, 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.200 and we are here to get you through the home stretch. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.960 We're throwing changeups. Brian brought us. I'm David Hellman, joined 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.519 by Brian. It's about the only consistent thing. Kyle Yeomans 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.520 is out again. He got stranded in Cancoon, poor guy, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.120 and to get hill in. That's what you get for 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.800 taking vacations during the draft. I've never felt guiltier in 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.400 my life than when I try I had to have 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.360 time to myself when I worked with you. Good for you, Kyle. 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.120 Don't listen to this old, crusty No. We're just we're 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.240 fighting for our damn lives here right now. But don't 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.360 worry about that. The smarmy voice that you heard just 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.039 now was Bobby belt Hi with Jeffrey Kavanaugh departing and 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.440 Kyle on an extended vac. Bobby's here, Bobby, You're going 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.400 to be with us, not just today and not just Tuesday, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.120 but for all three days the NFL Draft. Here to 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.679 make your life hell. What I'm here for days? Is 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.000 it my life that's hell? Or when you found out 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.800 that you had to get deep into yeah out to 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.279 get day three, it was like, Okay, get started spend 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.680 all spring thinking you didn't really need to be that 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.399 in tune with it. No, no, no, just need to 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.600 follow like a whore. Who are the visits that look 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.960 like their Day three guys? And then he's sitting here, 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.240 go a crap. Okay, I actually got to know who 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.559 you know. That's a lot of fun. The seventh round 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.320 punter from Nevadas or whatever. I would never ask you 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.080 to watch a punter fifth round, fifth round? Get ready 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.480 for that? Yeah, fifth round kicker. We're thrilled to have you. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:06.800 Um yeah, I'm looking forward I am too, I am too. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.320 I think the thing I think that the thing I'm 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.360 looking forward to is like the coverage is always what 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:15.840 it is, and I think it's outstanding in the the 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.040 opportunities that we get on this platform. You know, our partnership, 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:20.880 like say myself one oh five three, and with the 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.040 Dallas Cowboys, I think is when we do this, I 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.920 think we do this the absolute right way. And you know, 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.440 to be in the building to have the actual draft 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.160 going on just up the hall from you, you know, 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.040 there's always that buzz, that excitement, and I think this 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.800 is a draft. I'm not going to say it's chaos, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.320 but with teams with multiple first round picks, teams may 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.960 be interested in getting out of those multiple picks. You know, 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.280 there may be some teams that think about going up there. 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.560 Maybe some teams like man I, you know, maybe the 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.560 price of poker. I know Bobby's been on with us 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.160 as our insider at one oh five three, talking about 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.560 what's the price. Is the price steep? You know, if 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.919 the price isn't steep, maybe you will see some team 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.440 be aggressively try and go get some of these players 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.080 and kind of take this draft in another direction. That 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.480 is one hundred percent what I want to talk about. 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:12.040 This is gonna be like our last normal formatted draft show, 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.000 because we're gonna do We're gonna do a mock draft 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.840 on Tuesday. We're gonna take you through all the Cowboys picks. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.920 But today and there's no there's no real way to 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.000 do it because it's completely unpredictable, as it always but 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.360 I want to try to get our hands around the 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.600 type of chaos that we might expect a week from tonight. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.960 And I'll just add in, of course, we don't know 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.240 what's going to happen, but Deebo Samuel decided to throw 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.640 his hat in the ring and request a trade yesterday, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.320 and so do I think that'll happen between now and 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.480 the end of the first round. Not really, but with 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.640 what we've seen this offseason, I think you at least 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.320 have to prepare for that being part of the narrative, right, 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.080 I mean, this has been the most wild offseason in 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.920 terms of just moving players. And it's stunning the way 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.200 the NFL has changed, and that like players are genuinely 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.560 able to in a way that they never could before. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.120 It kind of like dictate the terms of like I 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.000 want to get out of here, like like it's becoming 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.960 much more like the NBA and sort of just being 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.920 able to dictate where you want to go. I mean, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.880 Tyreek Hilforns, it's not just getting out of there, but 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.200 getting to choose where he went. And so I mean, 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:18.560 maybe eventually Debo gets his way. I think it's hard 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.080 to imagine that it gets done here in the next 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.720 week before anything, you know, goes down with the draft. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.039 But there was a wrench into a lot of plans 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.320 I think. But I mean, that'd be great you get 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.040 Debo moved for a receiver, might change things up, make 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:32.760 some guys faul to you. You know what we were 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.440 kind of going through And the NFL dot Com had 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:39.680 this where they listed like ten teams that could use debos. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.760 Now everybody can use debo, Sam say, it should be 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.240 thirty two. But the teams it might go, it might trade. Okay, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.880 just looking at the draft the perspective of the draft, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.640 the first wide receiver of the week tend to take 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.400 off the board is with the Jets at ten, right, Yes, okay, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.400 see there you go. I mean maybe maybe Atlanta at eight, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.839 depending on they need everything land at eight. There you go. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.599 But but it seemed like that every mock draft had 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.680 a wide receiver at ten going to the Jets. Yes, 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.839 that seemed to be the common London has been penciled 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.880 into that ten. Every every the first wide receiver every 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.240 time has been at that spot, generally with the Jets. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.800 You know, so maybe the Jets the team you know 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.320 Robert Salo, the head coach of the Jets, former forty 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.799 nine er defensive coordinator. You know, you have a general 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.719 manager there that that has a couple of first round picks. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.919 He needs to make a splash. They need to start 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.359 finding ways to win games. The Jets, they need to 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.760 help their quarterback. Does Deebo Samuel help their quarterback more 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.560 than say, you know, it's like Wilson getting drafted at 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.560 ten or something like that. That's the determination that some 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.920 of these teams need to make, and I think that's 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.839 why there's actually going to be a market if if 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.320 San Francisco and talking to their guys yesterday, they were 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.200 kind of taking everything in about this whole thing, you know, 0:05:56.279 --> 0:06:00.840 with with Deebo. So to me, you know, if you're 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.400 the Jets, if you're the forty nine ers, maybe that's 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.599 where this thing starts. You know, maybe it's like, you know, hey, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.080 the head coach has familiarity with the player. There's a 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.279 desperate general manager to keep his job. You know, you 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.320 make a big swing like this to go get a 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.799 you know, that type of a player. It's much better 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.600 to have that guy than to have a guy that 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.560 kind of is a little bit of the unknown right now. 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.599 If Davante Adams goes for like a pick in the 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:26.960 twenties though, and then gets a big deal, does Devo 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.200 pull in pick ten? I think that I think you 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.080 gotta look at the team. I think you got to 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:33.600 look at the team. And I mean, Salez got the 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.280 San Francisco connection, and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.280 what I'm saying to me, To me, there there are 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.760 things that can kind of with teams with multiple picks 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.600 can play in this game. Philadelphia can play in this 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.320 game if they want to. You know, just look at 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.359 the teams with the multiple picks and look at you know, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.400 look at the weapons that they might need. Is taking 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.280 one of these wide receivers, you know, taking you know, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:00.200 my board, taking Jamison Williams, you know, at ten better 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.400 than trading for Deebo Samuel. I mean, yeah, you have 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.240 to pay Deebo Samuel and all that, but you know 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.200 that's you've also got a young quarterback that is struggling 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.720 his ass off right now. I think you could get 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.960 picked ten for Debo. It might be all you get, 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.760 you know, like the Packers got back a one and 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.960 a two. I think if the Jets are willing to 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:20.800 give up ten, that might be the only thing they're 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.200 willing to give up. But he just turned twenty six. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.840 Jets got multiple second round picks two and they they've 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:30.000 got Seattle's pick. I believe at thirty eight they have. Yeah, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:31.960 is Debo the like? But if you're looking at if 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.720 you're trying to be like we talk about, you know, 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.280 being Dak friendly here right, like, like, is that the 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.680 most as big as stud as he is? Is that 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.920 the most friendly type of player that you can get 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.920 for Zach Wilson because that you get creative with Deebo Samuel. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.080 But it's it's not necessarily like like do you need 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.320 just a crisp rout runner Like I feel like if 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:50.680 you're going to go out and make that move for 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.920 Davanta Adams or something like that, who's such a clean 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.760 route runner and gives you the open windows and everything 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.840 else like that, that's not really Debo. Debo's a weapon 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:58.440 and you get and you got to get creative and 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.480 ways to get him the ball. I just don't know 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.080 that that's the friendliest receiver that you be willing to 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.320 sacrifice pick ten. Yeah, I know, I mean, you're you're 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.960 absolutely right about the you know, the thought about him 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.320 maybe not being the cleanest of the wide receivers. But 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.400 you if you talk to most defensive coordinators around the league, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.640 I guarantee you they would say that he's a pain 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.960 in the ass to have. Yeah, you know, and that's 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.119 the Jets. You're looking for weapons. You know you've got again, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.000 you've got multiple picks, you know in the second round 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.720 if you want to address the wide receiver position again, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.920 you know, at thirty five, thirty eight or whenever. You 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.200 know those picks are you know? To me, I'm I'm 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.840 about if I'm the general manager at the Jets, I 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.000 am trying to help my quarterback because I'm going to 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.400 lose my job if that guy doesn't succeed. What costs 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.240 you more or do you think it's a similar price 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.280 if you wanted to go get a J. Brown? Oh God? 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.240 Or is AJ Brown more like pick thirty five? If 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.679 you're the Jets a J. Brown? I've Aj is not Debo. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.560 Debo is a better player and history too, like he's 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:01.679 missed Like sure he has been in and out of 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.720 the line. But if you can get AJ Brown for 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.320 a second and change. Is that better than Debo for 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.960 pick ten? Yes? I think so there you go because 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.840 A J. Brown's unhappy too, which and that's that's I wonder. 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.600 I wonder how likely it is that this comes to fruition. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.200 And again it's draft week, Like you know, Brian, you 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.520 know how this goes, Like all these teams and people 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.040 are so curious about the Cowboys Debo like to tweet 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.200 about playing for Dallas. The Cowboys are sitting up there 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.280 like we'll just find the next like the Debo was 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.480 the second round pick. We'll just go draft him and 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.040 not have to pay him any money. One thing you 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.080 have to know about the Dallas Cowboys is they have 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.760 a history under Jerry Jones of going to get receivers. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.760 They do have a history that the Capital, whether you're 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.920 like it or not. I mean, we were idiots for 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.920 what we did for for Joey Galloway. Idiot move for there, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.280 that was terrible move. You know, you gotta look at 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.280 what they did for Roy Williams up from Detroit. You know, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.280 look what they did for Amari Cooper. Look what they 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.800 did for Dez Look what they did they used to 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.000 pick on CD high capital there, so I mean they 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.000 definitely will go do it. Yeah, other than Deebo, I 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.080 also just sort of I'm curious about the possibility for 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.120 movement in this draft again. Yeah, you talk about teams 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.200 with multiple picks, and we've also talked about and Bobby 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.040 you can speak to this. Maybe the price isn't as 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.400 high as it normally would be. You see teams like 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.680 the Saints have moved up higher into the middle of 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.120 the draft. People wonder what they're doing. Maybe they're going 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.520 to move again. I do too, and I do you 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.240 think it'll be easier to do that? And do you 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.400 think we'll see more movement because maybe the price isn't 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.120 his une So that's the problem, is that right now 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.840 it's like everything I've heard from people, and Peter King 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:38.560 kind of wrote about this the other day, it's so 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.920 much more of a buyer's market than I feel like 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.080 it has been a years past. There's everybody wants to 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.120 go back, and like Stephen the other day on the 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.360 station was talking about how you know this is such 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.120 a deep draft and that seems to be a lot 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.120 of the chatters that, man, you might be able to 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:52.760 find somebody in the sixth round who you have a 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.360 third round grade on, or you know, you're going to 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.920 find a lot more draftable players in the seventh potentially 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.120 than you had. And so this thing goes deep because 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.680 of the COVID year and all the guys that would 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.840 turn back exactly, and so because of that, there's a 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.640 lot of people that would like to move back, pick 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.280 up capital. So if you're a team like Dallas for instance, 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:12.520 because you know, we're cowboys here, like, I mean, just 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.360 narrow it down to them. You know, if you're a 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.320 team like Dallas and you can get up you know too, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:19.520 this is steep. But I mean if you get up 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.319 to six, Carolina, who doesn't have a single pick after 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.280 six until what is it one thirty seven? Yeah, that's 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.640 their next pay. I'll keep bringing up six. I'm just 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.800 saying talking about if you go up six. If you 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.840 go up to six, let's say you give up two, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:36.880 you give up your twenty four year two and you're four. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.640 Typically I don't think that would get it done. But 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.880 this is a draft. This is a draft similar where 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.880 I think you could that would be wild. It would 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.319 And then and then even if you don't have the 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.920 second pick, if you go up to six. You ensure 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.840 you get one of these offensive linemen, Cross, Neil, whoever, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.600 and then you think the receiver class goes deep, which 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.400 it does. Stephen said that you get a receiver in 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.959 the third round, you've I think I'd take I think 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:00.800 you're ross and whoever you get the third man. I 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:02.720 tell you what I think you open yourself up to. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.040 And people aren't gonna like to hear this, but they 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.079 it might be the best player on a lot of 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.000 people's board. It might be opening you up to maybe 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.840 getting Sauce Gardner. It's at six. I love him. See 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.679 that's what I'm saying. I mean, I know there's people, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.600 there's people that are pulling their hair out right now 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.320 and saying, well, damn it, Brian, they can't block. You know, 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.320 why are we doing this? Why not go get the tackle? 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.160 But I think it's six. You're opening yourself up to 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.800 that tackle. You might be opening yourself up to the 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.680 best defensive end in the draft too. With Thibodeaux. You 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.800 might you might really be all that. You might be 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.679 exciting to me. You might be looking looking at the tackle, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.080 the defensive end, and the corner all there. If you 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.040 want to go that route. But but for a team 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.280 that wants I think, you know, from everybody we've talked to, 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.360 a team that wants to get tougher, a team that wants, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.800 you know, to bring in a group of young leaders, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.000 stronger leadership. Do you want to take the guy that 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.320 potentially has macharity questions? Is that something you want to risk? 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.839 Which one? No way, Thibodeau. You know, I think that 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.319 I think the maturity questions with him and people I'm 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.720 talking about, it's more about him in the brand. He's emotional. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.000 He's emotional too. I brought that up yesterday with you guys, 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.560 is that there were at least two, I think three 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.679 instances when you talk to people over at Oregon, there 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:17.880 were two or three instances this season where he said, well, 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.319 I'm opting out. Yeah, he gets hurt, he said, I'm 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.200 opting out. He gets emotional about it. They lose to Stanford, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.920 I'm opting out. But like like that's he gets very 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.040 emotional and reactive, and I think coupled with the brand, 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.880 it just it makes him a little bit more of 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.880 I think a question in terms of a culture fit 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.480 than Trey von Walker, Aidan Hutchinson. And that's why I 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.520 see people think talking about them above them. So with 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.080 the discussions or things that you're you're selling to me, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.839 you would lean if you're going for six, you're going 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.080 for the tackle. Yeah, I'd got Neil Cross, whoever's the 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.600 top offensive him in there, answer me this. And I 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.120 get that drafts are about way more than right now. 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.040 And I understand you know, ideally Cross or Equanta would 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.640 be starting for you for a decade. But that deal, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.920 the one that you just described, you get six, and 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.959 you lose fifty six, and you lose one twenty nine, Right, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:11.040 so you've got six and eighty eight and that pitch, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.440 you got all those fives that you could parlay into 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.200 maybe getting back in the third if you want to 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.560 do something like all right, or maybe you can parlay 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.680 a fifth for us for a veteran. Because that's what 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.960 I was about to say. That doesn't address this issue 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.520 at guard. That doesn't I was homemaking a lot better 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.800 about that. You don't think you could just slide somebody 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.320 into play guard for a year. I think you could. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.040 I don't know how it's gonna look. I mean, we've 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.760 already I don't think you have to go up to 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.800 six to get Trevor Penning, for instance. Oh, you're talking 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.160 about playing the tackle. I'm talking about playing the tackle 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.880 at guard for a year. They did it with Lyle. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:43.920 They didn't plan to do with Lyle, but they did 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:45.720 it with Lyle. See to me, if I'm going to 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.040 get I'm going to get Cross. So I'm but they 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.960 might get Penning. They might like Penning just as much 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.040 and play him at guard and then you know, and 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.880 then you know, kick him out to make him play 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.720 left tackle when Tyron Smith gets uh, you know, gets 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.480 stinged up. And I think that's honestly and we're talking 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.120 about trading up, but I think that's honestly the way here. 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.400 So much buzz about twenty four with Kenyon Green. Yeah, 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.120 it is because they clearly love being able to have 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.080 contingencies in place. Period. So if they can draft a 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.240 player who is a built in contingency for well, look 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:15.680 we can draft him, we can play him at left 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.080 guard and then next year, if Tyron's not here, which 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.360 I mean Tyrann's getting what this is year eleven twelve 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.640 coming up? Oh gosh, how so when you look at 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.160 that and say, okay, well, if Tyron's not here, after 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.560 next year. If the tackle class is good, great, we 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.920 can draft a tackle keep Green there. But if we 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.720 have the flexibility to go, this is a great guard class, 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.240 and we're looking at a great guard here at our 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.640 pick in twenty twenty three. Well, Kenyan Green. Look, we 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.960 just saw him, you know, pretty much Stonewall will Anderson 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.560 who's going to be a top five pick next year 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.320 from Alabama and played left tackle really well and has 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:46.960 shown the willingness to it. I think that's one of 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.280 the reasons for the intrigue with Green. See it's funny 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.520 my Gang of seven and like four of my guys 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.000 have gotten back to me. Every one of those guys 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.360 have liked Zion Johnson better than Green. It's up here 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.520 with him. They love it, They love the mental they 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.800 love them. We had Jim Naggy on from the Senior 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.960 Bowl Yester on our on our show on one n 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.800 five three of the Fan, and that was Jim was 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.240 talking and he goes, listen, I understand bias. I had 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.840 the guy here. But the fact that they they've talked 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.160 about playment center even and how smart he is and 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.000 stuff like that. There's a lot of talk about him here. 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.120 I mean, there's a lot doesn't sound like people think. 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.000 It's just I had I had four guys extra, four 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.800 guys that got back to me yesterday. Three of them 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.160 had Zion Johnson. I said, who's better? Who do you 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.280 like better? Three took Johnson, one took Green, and that 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.240 and that you know they they they were talking about 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.760 Green's toughness. But but every one of these guys now 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.760 are talking about every one of them now are talking 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.320 about the smarts. When you get with Zion Johnson, do 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.480 you feel any what's what's our read on a trade back? 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.080 I feel like we haven't. I'm wearing my Captain trade 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.000 down show. You are again. It's a it's a buyer's market. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.520 So I think it's tough because I don't know that 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:57.680 you got a lot of people that want to come 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.760 up right now. That's the problem, and who maybe form 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.800 in the last quarterback. If you look at some of 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.160 the people, like the obvious tradeback scenarios, you're looking at 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.359 who immediately behind you've got like Green Bay, who's picking 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.400 twice in the first round already, Kansas City who's picking 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.800 twice in the first round, Detroit picking twice in the 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.240 first round, and then early in the second these teams 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.399 in the early second round, Jets, Giants, they've already got 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.360 there multiple I don't know that they feel they'll need 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.399 to move up to get anybody because they've got so 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.560 much capital in the top fifty. The thing you have 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.439 to worry about moving back, or if you want to 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.320 move back, is you mentioned green Bay Kansas City maybe 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.879 two teams that are hunting a wide receiver. You know 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.120 what I'm saying. I mean, green Bay is a team 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.320 that traditionally it's not in their DNA to take a 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.560 wide receiver. But you know, we've seen some more eventually 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.919 have too. Yeah, we've seen some mock drafts where you know, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.919 with lantzer Line, who I have a lot of respect 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.840 for lantzer Line, he had Kansas City trading with Arizona 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.760 to go ahead at Dallas in case Christal Lobby was there. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.560 The fact that they know that Dallas had had Chris o' 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.760 lobby in the building. Say Burks is gone and maybe 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.080 Dallas has lost one of those offensive guards along the way, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.359 then maybe it's like, well, wait, Crystal Lobby, they've got 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.160 Kansas City jump and ahead of Dallas. That's that would 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.439 be That would be something you absolutely have to be 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.719 worried about one of those teams coming. I think Kansas 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.240 City is the most aggressive team coming from the back 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.880 of the board that you have to worry about if 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:20.600 you get jumped and you lose some of these people 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.600 Johnson Green guys like that. The receivers aren't there Has 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:26.879 there been enough discussion either about a trade back option 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.720 or as a wipeout scenario at twenty four the fact 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.040