Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
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Speaker 1: school and now your host. Brian brought us Kyle Yeomans
Speaker 1: and David Hellman. It's Thursday, April the twenty first, the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft is exactly a week away,
Speaker 1: and we are here to get you through the home stretch.
Speaker 1: We're throwing changeups. Brian brought us. I'm David Hellman, joined
Speaker 1: by Brian. It's about the only consistent thing. Kyle Yeomans
Speaker 1: is out again. He got stranded in Cancoon, poor guy,
Speaker 1: and to get hill in. That's what you get for
Speaker 1: taking vacations during the draft. I've never felt guiltier in
Speaker 1: my life than when I try I had to have
Speaker 1: time to myself when I worked with you. Good for you, Kyle.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to this old, crusty No. We're just we're
Speaker 1: fighting for our damn lives here right now. But don't
Speaker 1: worry about that. The smarmy voice that you heard just
Speaker 1: now was Bobby belt Hi with Jeffrey Kavanaugh departing and
Speaker 1: Kyle on an extended vac. Bobby's here, Bobby, You're going
Speaker 1: to be with us, not just today and not just Tuesday,
Speaker 1: but for all three days the NFL Draft. Here to
Speaker 1: make your life hell. What I'm here for days? Is
Speaker 1: it my life that's hell? Or when you found out
Speaker 1: that you had to get deep into yeah out to
Speaker 1: get day three, it was like, Okay, get started spend
Speaker 1: all spring thinking you didn't really need to be that
Speaker 1: in tune with it. No, no, no, just need to
Speaker 1: follow like a whore. Who are the visits that look
Speaker 1: like their Day three guys? And then he's sitting here,
Speaker 1: go a crap. Okay, I actually got to know who
Speaker 1: you know. That's a lot of fun. The seventh round
Speaker 1: punter from Nevadas or whatever. I would never ask you
Speaker 1: to watch a punter fifth round, fifth round? Get ready
Speaker 1: for that? Yeah, fifth round kicker. We're thrilled to have you.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I'm looking forward I am too, I am too.
Speaker 1: I think the thing I think that the thing I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to is like the coverage is always what
Speaker 1: it is, and I think it's outstanding in the the
Speaker 1: opportunities that we get on this platform. You know, our partnership,
Speaker 1: like say myself one oh five three, and with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, I think is when we do this, I
Speaker 1: think we do this the absolute right way. And you know,
Speaker 1: to be in the building to have the actual draft
Speaker 1: going on just up the hall from you, you know,
Speaker 1: there's always that buzz, that excitement, and I think this
Speaker 1: is a draft. I'm not going to say it's chaos,
Speaker 1: but with teams with multiple first round picks, teams may
Speaker 1: be interested in getting out of those multiple picks. You know,
Speaker 1: there may be some teams that think about going up there.
Speaker 1: Maybe some teams like man I, you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: price of poker. I know Bobby's been on with us
Speaker 1: as our insider at one oh five three, talking about
Speaker 1: what's the price. Is the price steep? You know, if
Speaker 1: the price isn't steep, maybe you will see some team
Speaker 1: be aggressively try and go get some of these players
Speaker 1: and kind of take this draft in another direction. That
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent what I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be like our last normal formatted draft show,
Speaker 1: because we're gonna do We're gonna do a mock draft
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. We're gonna take you through all the Cowboys picks.
Speaker 1: But today and there's no there's no real way to
Speaker 1: do it because it's completely unpredictable, as it always but
Speaker 1: I want to try to get our hands around the
Speaker 1: type of chaos that we might expect a week from tonight.
Speaker 1: And I'll just add in, of course, we don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, but Deebo Samuel decided to throw
Speaker 1: his hat in the ring and request a trade yesterday,
Speaker 1: and so do I think that'll happen between now and
Speaker 1: the end of the first round. Not really, but with
Speaker 1: what we've seen this offseason, I think you at least
Speaker 1: have to prepare for that being part of the narrative, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been the most wild offseason in
Speaker 1: terms of just moving players. And it's stunning the way
Speaker 1: the NFL has changed, and that like players are genuinely
Speaker 1: able to in a way that they never could before.
Speaker 1: It kind of like dictate the terms of like I
Speaker 1: want to get out of here, like like it's becoming
Speaker 1: much more like the NBA and sort of just being
Speaker 1: able to dictate where you want to go. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hilforns, it's not just getting out of there, but
Speaker 1: getting to choose where he went. And so I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe eventually Debo gets his way. I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to imagine that it gets done here in the next
Speaker 1: week before anything, you know, goes down with the draft.
Speaker 1: But there was a wrench into a lot of plans
Speaker 1: I think. But I mean, that'd be great you get
Speaker 1: Debo moved for a receiver, might change things up, make
Speaker 1: some guys faul to you. You know what we were
Speaker 1: kind of going through And the NFL dot Com had
Speaker 1: this where they listed like ten teams that could use debos.
Speaker 1: Now everybody can use debo, Sam say, it should be
Speaker 1: thirty two. But the teams it might go, it might trade. Okay,
Speaker 1: just looking at the draft the perspective of the draft,
Speaker 1: the first wide receiver of the week tend to take
Speaker 1: off the board is with the Jets at ten, right, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: see there you go. I mean maybe maybe Atlanta at eight,
Speaker 1: depending on they need everything land at eight. There you go.
Speaker 1: But but it seemed like that every mock draft had
Speaker 1: a wide receiver at ten going to the Jets. Yes,
Speaker 1: that seemed to be the common London has been penciled
Speaker 1: into that ten. Every every the first wide receiver every
Speaker 1: time has been at that spot, generally with the Jets.
Speaker 1: You know, so maybe the Jets the team you know
Speaker 1: Robert Salo, the head coach of the Jets, former forty
Speaker 1: nine er defensive coordinator. You know, you have a general
Speaker 1: manager there that that has a couple of first round picks.
Speaker 1: He needs to make a splash. They need to start
Speaker 1: finding ways to win games. The Jets, they need to
Speaker 1: help their quarterback. Does Deebo Samuel help their quarterback more
Speaker 1: than say, you know, it's like Wilson getting drafted at
Speaker 1: ten or something like that. That's the determination that some
Speaker 1: of these teams need to make, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why there's actually going to be a market if if
Speaker 1: San Francisco and talking to their guys yesterday, they were
Speaker 1: kind of taking everything in about this whole thing, you know,
Speaker 1: with with Deebo. So to me, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: the Jets, if you're the forty nine ers, maybe that's
Speaker 1: where this thing starts. You know, maybe it's like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: the head coach has familiarity with the player. There's a
Speaker 1: desperate general manager to keep his job. You know, you
Speaker 1: make a big swing like this to go get a
Speaker 1: you know, that type of a player. It's much better
Speaker 1: to have that guy than to have a guy that
Speaker 1: kind of is a little bit of the unknown right now.
Speaker 1: If Davante Adams goes for like a pick in the
Speaker 1: twenties though, and then gets a big deal, does Devo
Speaker 1: pull in pick ten? I think that I think you
Speaker 1: gotta look at the team. I think you got to
Speaker 1: look at the team. And I mean, Salez got the
Speaker 1: San Francisco connection, and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to me, To me, there there are
Speaker 1: things that can kind of with teams with multiple picks
Speaker 1: can play in this game. Philadelphia can play in this
Speaker 1: game if they want to. You know, just look at
Speaker 1: the teams with the multiple picks and look at you know,
Speaker 1: look at the weapons that they might need. Is taking
Speaker 1: one of these wide receivers, you know, taking you know,
Speaker 1: my board, taking Jamison Williams, you know, at ten better
Speaker 1: than trading for Deebo Samuel. I mean, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to pay Deebo Samuel and all that, but you know
Speaker 1: that's you've also got a young quarterback that is struggling
Speaker 1: his ass off right now. I think you could get
Speaker 1: picked ten for Debo. It might be all you get,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Packers got back a one and
Speaker 1: a two. I think if the Jets are willing to
Speaker 1: give up ten, that might be the only thing they're
Speaker 1: willing to give up. But he just turned twenty six.
Speaker 1: Jets got multiple second round picks two and they they've
Speaker 1: got Seattle's pick. I believe at thirty eight they have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is Debo the like? But if you're looking at if
Speaker 1: you're trying to be like we talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: being Dak friendly here right, like, like, is that the
Speaker 1: most as big as stud as he is? Is that
Speaker 1: the most friendly type of player that you can get
Speaker 1: for Zach Wilson because that you get creative with Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1: But it's it's not necessarily like like do you need
Speaker 1: just a crisp rout runner Like I feel like if
Speaker 1: you're going to go out and make that move for
Speaker 1: Davanta Adams or something like that, who's such a clean
Speaker 1: route runner and gives you the open windows and everything
Speaker 1: else like that, that's not really Debo. Debo's a weapon
Speaker 1: and you get and you got to get creative and
Speaker 1: ways to get him the ball. I just don't know
Speaker 1: that that's the friendliest receiver that you be willing to
Speaker 1: sacrifice pick ten. Yeah, I know, I mean, you're you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right about the you know, the thought about him
Speaker 1: maybe not being the cleanest of the wide receivers. But
Speaker 1: you if you talk to most defensive coordinators around the league,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they would say that he's a pain
Speaker 1: in the ass to have. Yeah, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: the Jets. You're looking for weapons. You know you've got again,
Speaker 1: you've got multiple picks, you know in the second round
Speaker 1: if you want to address the wide receiver position again,
Speaker 1: you know, at thirty five, thirty eight or whenever. You
Speaker 1: know those picks are you know? To me, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: about if I'm the general manager at the Jets, I
Speaker 1: am trying to help my quarterback because I'm going to
Speaker 1: lose my job if that guy doesn't succeed. What costs
Speaker 1: you more or do you think it's a similar price
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go get a J. Brown? Oh God?
Speaker 1: Or is AJ Brown more like pick thirty five? If
Speaker 1: you're the Jets a J. Brown? I've Aj is not Debo.
Speaker 1: Debo is a better player and history too, like he's
Speaker 1: missed Like sure he has been in and out of
Speaker 1: the line. But if you can get AJ Brown for
Speaker 1: a second and change. Is that better than Debo for
Speaker 1: pick ten? Yes? I think so there you go because
Speaker 1: A J. Brown's unhappy too, which and that's that's I wonder.
Speaker 1: I wonder how likely it is that this comes to fruition.
Speaker 1: And again it's draft week, Like you know, Brian, you
Speaker 1: know how this goes, Like all these teams and people
Speaker 1: are so curious about the Cowboys Debo like to tweet
Speaker 1: about playing for Dallas. The Cowboys are sitting up there
Speaker 1: like we'll just find the next like the Debo was
Speaker 1: the second round pick. We'll just go draft him and
Speaker 1: not have to pay him any money. One thing you
Speaker 1: have to know about the Dallas Cowboys is they have
Speaker 1: a history under Jerry Jones of going to get receivers.
Speaker 1: They do have a history that the Capital, whether you're
Speaker 1: like it or not. I mean, we were idiots for
Speaker 1: what we did for for Joey Galloway. Idiot move for there,
Speaker 1: that was terrible move. You know, you gotta look at
Speaker 1: what they did for Roy Williams up from Detroit. You know,
Speaker 1: look what they did for Amari Cooper. Look what they
Speaker 1: did for Dez Look what they did they used to
Speaker 1: pick on CD high capital there, so I mean they
Speaker 1: definitely will go do it. Yeah, other than Deebo, I
Speaker 1: also just sort of I'm curious about the possibility for
Speaker 1: movement in this draft again. Yeah, you talk about teams
Speaker 1: with multiple picks, and we've also talked about and Bobby
Speaker 1: you can speak to this. Maybe the price isn't as
Speaker 1: high as it normally would be. You see teams like
Speaker 1: the Saints have moved up higher into the middle of
Speaker 1: the draft. People wonder what they're doing. Maybe they're going
Speaker 1: to move again. I do too, and I do you
Speaker 1: think it'll be easier to do that? And do you
Speaker 1: think we'll see more movement because maybe the price isn't
Speaker 1: his une So that's the problem, is that right now
Speaker 1: it's like everything I've heard from people, and Peter King
Speaker 1: kind of wrote about this the other day, it's so
Speaker 1: much more of a buyer's market than I feel like
Speaker 1: it has been a years past. There's everybody wants to
Speaker 1: go back, and like Stephen the other day on the
Speaker 1: station was talking about how you know this is such
Speaker 1: a deep draft and that seems to be a lot
Speaker 1: of the chatters that, man, you might be able to
Speaker 1: find somebody in the sixth round who you have a
Speaker 1: third round grade on, or you know, you're going to
Speaker 1: find a lot more draftable players in the seventh potentially
Speaker 1: than you had. And so this thing goes deep because
Speaker 1: of the COVID year and all the guys that would
Speaker 1: turn back exactly, and so because of that, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that would like to move back, pick
Speaker 1: up capital. So if you're a team like Dallas for instance,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're cowboys here, like, I mean, just
Speaker 1: narrow it down to them. You know, if you're a
Speaker 1: team like Dallas and you can get up you know too,
Speaker 1: this is steep. But I mean if you get up
Speaker 1: to six, Carolina, who doesn't have a single pick after
Speaker 1: six until what is it one thirty seven? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: their next pay. I'll keep bringing up six. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying talking about if you go up six. If you
Speaker 1: go up to six, let's say you give up two,
Speaker 1: you give up your twenty four year two and you're four.
Speaker 1: Typically I don't think that would get it done. But
Speaker 1: this is a draft. This is a draft similar where
Speaker 1: I think you could that would be wild. It would
Speaker 1: And then and then even if you don't have the
Speaker 1: second pick, if you go up to six. You ensure
Speaker 1: you get one of these offensive linemen, Cross, Neil, whoever,
Speaker 1: and then you think the receiver class goes deep, which
Speaker 1: it does. Stephen said that you get a receiver in
Speaker 1: the third round, you've I think I'd take I think
Speaker 1: you're ross and whoever you get the third man. I
Speaker 1: tell you what I think you open yourself up to.
Speaker 1: And people aren't gonna like to hear this, but they
Speaker 1: it might be the best player on a lot of
Speaker 1: people's board. It might be opening you up to maybe
Speaker 1: getting Sauce Gardner. It's at six. I love him. See
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I mean, I know there's people,
Speaker 1: there's people that are pulling their hair out right now
Speaker 1: and saying, well, damn it, Brian, they can't block. You know,
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? Why not go get the tackle?
Speaker 1: But I think it's six. You're opening yourself up to
Speaker 1: that tackle. You might be opening yourself up to the
Speaker 1: best defensive end in the draft too. With Thibodeaux. You
Speaker 1: might you might really be all that. You might be
Speaker 1: exciting to me. You might be looking looking at the tackle,
Speaker 1: the defensive end, and the corner all there. If you
Speaker 1: want to go that route. But but for a team
Speaker 1: that wants I think, you know, from everybody we've talked to,
Speaker 1: a team that wants to get tougher, a team that wants,
Speaker 1: you know, to bring in a group of young leaders,
Speaker 1: stronger leadership. Do you want to take the guy that
Speaker 1: potentially has macharity questions? Is that something you want to risk?
Speaker 1: Which one? No way, Thibodeau. You know, I think that
Speaker 1: I think the maturity questions with him and people I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, it's more about him in the brand. He's emotional.
Speaker 1: He's emotional too. I brought that up yesterday with you guys,
Speaker 1: is that there were at least two, I think three
Speaker 1: instances when you talk to people over at Oregon, there
Speaker 1: were two or three instances this season where he said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm opting out. Yeah, he gets hurt, he said, I'm
Speaker 1: opting out. He gets emotional about it. They lose to Stanford,
Speaker 1: I'm opting out. But like like that's he gets very
Speaker 1: emotional and reactive, and I think coupled with the brand,
Speaker 1: it just it makes him a little bit more of
Speaker 1: I think a question in terms of a culture fit
Speaker 1: than Trey von Walker, Aidan Hutchinson. And that's why I
Speaker 1: see people think talking about them above them. So with
Speaker 1: the discussions or things that you're you're selling to me,
Speaker 1: you would lean if you're going for six, you're going
Speaker 1: for the tackle. Yeah, I'd got Neil Cross, whoever's the
Speaker 1: top offensive him in there, answer me this. And I
Speaker 1: get that drafts are about way more than right now.
Speaker 1: And I understand you know, ideally Cross or Equanta would
Speaker 1: be starting for you for a decade. But that deal,
Speaker 1: the one that you just described, you get six, and
Speaker 1: you lose fifty six, and you lose one twenty nine, Right,
Speaker 1: so you've got six and eighty eight and that pitch,
Speaker 1: you got all those fives that you could parlay into
Speaker 1: maybe getting back in the third if you want to
Speaker 1: do something like all right, or maybe you can parlay
Speaker 1: a fifth for us for a veteran. Because that's what
Speaker 1: I was about to say. That doesn't address this issue
Speaker 1: at guard. That doesn't I was homemaking a lot better
Speaker 1: about that. You don't think you could just slide somebody
Speaker 1: into play guard for a year. I think you could.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna look. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: already I don't think you have to go up to
Speaker 1: six to get Trevor Penning, for instance. Oh, you're talking
Speaker 1: about playing the tackle. I'm talking about playing the tackle
Speaker 1: at guard for a year. They did it with Lyle.
Speaker 1: They didn't plan to do with Lyle, but they did
Speaker 1: it with Lyle. See to me, if I'm going to
Speaker 1: get I'm going to get Cross. So I'm but they
Speaker 1: might get Penning. They might like Penning just as much
Speaker 1: and play him at guard and then you know, and
Speaker 1: then you know, kick him out to make him play
Speaker 1: left tackle when Tyron Smith gets uh, you know, gets
Speaker 1: stinged up. And I think that's honestly and we're talking
Speaker 1: about trading up, but I think that's honestly the way here.
Speaker 1: So much buzz about twenty four with Kenyon Green. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is because they clearly love being able to have
Speaker 1: contingencies in place. Period. So if they can draft a
Speaker 1: player who is a built in contingency for well, look
Speaker 1: we can draft him, we can play him at left
Speaker 1: guard and then next year, if Tyron's not here, which
Speaker 1: I mean Tyrann's getting what this is year eleven twelve
Speaker 1: coming up? Oh gosh, how so when you look at
Speaker 1: that and say, okay, well, if Tyron's not here, after
Speaker 1: next year. If the tackle class is good, great, we
Speaker 1: can draft a tackle keep Green there. But if we
Speaker 1: have the flexibility to go, this is a great guard class,
Speaker 1: and we're looking at a great guard here at our
Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty three. Well, Kenyan Green. Look, we
Speaker 1: just saw him, you know, pretty much Stonewall will Anderson
Speaker 1: who's going to be a top five pick next year
Speaker 1: from Alabama and played left tackle really well and has
Speaker 1: shown the willingness to it. I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons for the intrigue with Green. See it's funny
Speaker 1: my Gang of seven and like four of my guys
Speaker 1: have gotten back to me. Every one of those guys
Speaker 1: have liked Zion Johnson better than Green. It's up here
Speaker 1: with him. They love it, They love the mental they
Speaker 1: love them. We had Jim Naggy on from the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl Yester on our on our show on one n
Speaker 1: five three of the Fan, and that was Jim was
Speaker 1: talking and he goes, listen, I understand bias. I had
Speaker 1: the guy here. But the fact that they they've talked
Speaker 1: about playment center even and how smart he is and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. There's a lot of talk about him here.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot doesn't sound like people think.
Speaker 1: It's just I had I had four guys extra, four
Speaker 1: guys that got back to me yesterday. Three of them
Speaker 1: had Zion Johnson. I said, who's better? Who do you
Speaker 1: like better? Three took Johnson, one took Green, and that
Speaker 1: and that you know they they they were talking about
Speaker 1: Green's toughness. But but every one of these guys now
Speaker 1: are talking about every one of them now are talking
Speaker 1: about the smarts. When you get with Zion Johnson, do
Speaker 1: you feel any what's what's our read on a trade back?
Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't. I'm wearing my Captain trade
Speaker 1: down show. You are again. It's a it's a buyer's market.
Speaker 1: So I think it's tough because I don't know that
Speaker 1: you got a lot of people that want to come
Speaker 1: up right now. That's the problem, and who maybe form
Speaker 1: in the last quarterback. If you look at some of
Speaker 1: the people, like the obvious tradeback scenarios, you're looking at
Speaker 1: who immediately behind you've got like Green Bay, who's picking
Speaker 1: twice in the first round already, Kansas City who's picking
Speaker 1: twice in the first round, Detroit picking twice in the
Speaker 1: first round, and then early in the second these teams
Speaker 1: in the early second round, Jets, Giants, they've already got
Speaker 1: there multiple I don't know that they feel they'll need
Speaker 1: to move up to get anybody because they've got so
Speaker 1: much capital in the top fifty. The thing you have
Speaker 1: to worry about moving back, or if you want to
Speaker 1: move back, is you mentioned green Bay Kansas City maybe
Speaker 1: two teams that are hunting a wide receiver. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, green Bay is a team
Speaker 1: that traditionally it's not in their DNA to take a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. But you know, we've seen some more eventually
Speaker 1: have too. Yeah, we've seen some mock drafts where you know,
Speaker 1: with lantzer Line, who I have a lot of respect
Speaker 1: for lantzer Line, he had Kansas City trading with Arizona
Speaker 1: to go ahead at Dallas in case Christal Lobby was there.
Speaker 1: The fact that they know that Dallas had had Chris o'
Speaker 1: lobby in the building. Say Burks is gone and maybe
Speaker 1: Dallas has lost one of those offensive guards along the way,
Speaker 1: then maybe it's like, well, wait, Crystal Lobby, they've got
Speaker 1: Kansas City jump and ahead of Dallas. That's that would
Speaker 1: be That would be something you absolutely have to be
Speaker 1: worried about one of those teams coming. I think Kansas
Speaker 1: City is the most aggressive team coming from the back
Speaker 1: of the board that you have to worry about if
Speaker 1: you get jumped and you lose some of these people
Speaker 1: Johnson Green guys like that. The receivers aren't there Has
Speaker 1: there been enough discussion either about a trade back option
Speaker 1: or as a wipeout scenario at twenty four the fact
Speaker 1: that a guy that they brought in here, Bernard Raymond, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at Central, do we even though that might feel a
Speaker 1: little rich to some people, I don't think Bernard Raymon's
Speaker 1: getting to fifty six for you. No, he's not. And
Speaker 1: so that's got to be either a trade back candidate
Speaker 1: or somebody that they at least are His reaction just
Speaker 1: told you the story. Maybe every Cowboy fan, Well, is
Speaker 1: it it's a tackle? And is it really? It's the
Speaker 1: guy who wasn't a tackle three years it's fifth tackle,
Speaker 1: really impressive, man like, he moves really well and he
Speaker 1: just started playing tall two years ago. Yeah, I get
Speaker 1: it it just from what I've heard, and sounds like
Speaker 1: a project done it from what I've heard and from
Speaker 1: what I know, that sounds awfully rich And that's not me,
Speaker 1: that's me telling you what I think they think. But see,
Speaker 1: that's what happens to you when you're at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the board. You're not going to get these guys
Speaker 1: coming back on the fifty six, right, So you know
Speaker 1: you almost have to when you get down to the bottom,
Speaker 1: you almost have to draft a round early because you're
Speaker 1: not going to get these guys. But see, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before and that like that's a nice
Speaker 1: way of saying window dressing your board. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: nice way of saying, like, well, if we can't get
Speaker 1: this guy next round, so let's draft him way sooner
Speaker 1: than we're supposed to. Well, but that's almost something you
Speaker 1: have to think about. I know too, because you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's the player that's going to be there at fifty six?
Speaker 1: What if what if you got you'd have to go
Speaker 1: back a little. I'm just looking at the board here,
Speaker 1: the points pretty much match up twenty four Houston. If
Speaker 1: Houston wanted to come up and get somebody from thirty
Speaker 1: seven and then they gave you they've got two third rounders,
Speaker 1: they gave you eighty, So thirty seven and eighty and
Speaker 1: then maybe that's where you look at aim and then
Speaker 1: if you get wiped out. Okay, let me ask David
Speaker 1: this question, because he's with the dot Com. Dave's face says, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just that doesn't sound like enough. But again, it's
Speaker 1: not a it's a well at market. Like you look
Speaker 1: at the trade chart here at five thirty on Houston
Speaker 1: one ninety. That gets you real quick before you ask
Speaker 1: me this. I would rather drop down. And obviously you
Speaker 1: gotta somebody's got to be willing to do it. But
Speaker 1: I would rather drop down to like thirty or thirty one.
Speaker 1: And even if all I add is like a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, I would be I'd rather do they trying
Speaker 1: to hold your option. Yeah, yeah, see that's what's what's
Speaker 1: Cincinnati coming up for that? No? I know in Kansas Like,
Speaker 1: that's a problem your team. Kansas City's your team. Kansas
Speaker 1: City's your team if you want it to me, Kansas
Speaker 1: sees your team if you want to trade because they
Speaker 1: picked up draft capital in the in the deal for
Speaker 1: their wide receiver. Yeah, give me in Miami draft capital
Speaker 1: to boot. If Kansas City was willing to give me
Speaker 1: one thirty five to drop down to pick thirty, I
Speaker 1: would do it. It doesn't sound like a whole lot
Speaker 1: of companies were trade away from that. This is in
Speaker 1: a scenario where you kind of get wiped out, like
Speaker 1: your two guards are gone, And maybe you don't like
Speaker 1: the receivers as much as we think they do, Like
Speaker 1: I don't. Maybe they would in the right circumstance. I
Speaker 1: don't get the impression that they would like run to
Speaker 1: turn their card in for Burkes at twenty four. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were. I don't think they'd run,
Speaker 1: but I think they'd be satisfied if the board looked
Speaker 1: a certain way. Yeah, if if if that was their
Speaker 1: best option, they might do. I think they'd feel comfortable
Speaker 1: enough if if there are a certain players, like I
Speaker 1: think the lean right here obviously offensive line like Jerry
Speaker 1: has told you that specifically. Yeah, I think that if
Speaker 1: they get wiped out on certain offensive lineman and he's
Speaker 1: I think they would feel comfortable turn it out. Like
Speaker 1: you said, I don't know if they're running it up there,
Speaker 1: but I think they'd feel good about it if the
Speaker 1: guards were gone. Do you think they would trade away
Speaker 1: from him if somebody made an off and I know
Speaker 1: we don't know if there would be enough. I mean
Speaker 1: depends on how the board stat because I mean I
Speaker 1: think they do like some other players that don't necessarily
Speaker 1: fit in it, like like corner right, like like, I
Speaker 1: think they like some of the corners that could potentially
Speaker 1: be there. So do they look at it and say, well,
Speaker 1: we've got Burks here and some of the corners? Do
Speaker 1: they get in a scenario like they did when they
Speaker 1: traded out of ten and they said, all right, well
Speaker 1: Slater or Parsons will be there and we like both
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, so we'll get one of them. So
Speaker 1: do they look at it and go, Burkes and a
Speaker 1: couple other guys we like, we know somebody will be there,
Speaker 1: then sure, let's go do it. I'm not sure going
Speaker 1: all the way to thirty seven just to pick up
Speaker 1: eighty is the right play. It doesn't sound like enough
Speaker 1: match match, but it just right now such a far
Speaker 1: drop and got a lot of return. That's but I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm Try'm just saying who who were falling for? That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you get wiped out and you
Speaker 1: go we need alignman, you and you feel better about
Speaker 1: picking Raim and that might be the best deal they
Speaker 1: can get. By the way, Oh, I know, because they
Speaker 1: happened with Travis Frederick. They were there, they were sitting
Speaker 1: there with at eighteen and bailed all the way. They
Speaker 1: only got a third for dropping thirteen spots in the
Speaker 1: first round, which it's thirteen spots. Yeah, I like, I
Speaker 1: get that the math works out. That doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: get it. I get it, Bobby. It just sounds like
Speaker 1: a free fall. And and that is a far enough
Speaker 1: drop that you But if you're dead set on you
Speaker 1: need alignment and you get wife yourself out of like
Speaker 1: the next round of guys you like by dropping back.
Speaker 1: But if you're if you're dead set on a lineman
Speaker 1: right like you just like, we gotta fix this offensive line.
Speaker 1: Do you feel better about just taking Raymond at twenty four?
Speaker 1: We're saying, let's move back to thirty seven and get
Speaker 1: Raymond and pick up a third. Yeah, I hear you,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I just don't like it. I get
Speaker 1: the logic. Did you have anything else? Or should I
Speaker 1: go to break? Go to break? All right, we'll be
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Speaker 1: I R s as good grace as Jake wants to know.
Speaker 1: If there is a linebacker that you love in this draft,
Speaker 1: we'll keep it like top one hundred type of players.
Speaker 1: Could any of those any of those rounds, first three
Speaker 1: rounds a linebacker that you think specifically would pair really
Speaker 1: well with Michael Parsons, the kid from the kid from Utah,
Speaker 1: would Lloyd Because because you're talking about a guy that's
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy that's long range, makes plays, finisher,
Speaker 1: rushed the passer, you know, all the things about him
Speaker 1: that you would love. In Michael Parsons you would love.
Speaker 1: And Devin Lloyd. Yeah, I mean, I like Christian Harris.
Speaker 1: He's somebody that, yeah, from Alabama, and that's not somebody
Speaker 1: you'd have to go get in the first stround. I
Speaker 1: don't think. No. I mean, does he get all the
Speaker 1: way to get fifty six? Maybe not? Yeah, he does not. Really,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get lumped in like when you're talking about
Speaker 1: obviously Lloyd and Dean, but like the other Georgia kids, like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't ever get lumped into that group. No, Quay
Speaker 1: Walker is another one I would look at too. I
Speaker 1: mean you're talking about again, a guy that's six four
Speaker 1: two one pounds. All those Georgia players you mentioned them,
Speaker 1: they all run. It's it's a fight to see who
Speaker 1: gets to the ball first, you know, with that cruise.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think this is actually a pretty good
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the depth of the
Speaker 1: linebacker spot. There's obviously some problems you know, with with
Speaker 1: Dean as far as the length and things like that,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I mean he makes just every single tackle.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you these some of these
Speaker 1: there used to be a time twenty years ago doing
Speaker 1: this that it's too short, he's to this to that,
Speaker 1: you know, Dallas, Dallas is actually a really good history
Speaker 1: playing with smaller linebackers. Maybe that win Dexter Cokeley. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some guys. Bill Parcels came in here and was
Speaker 1: like he was adamant that they had to get rid
Speaker 1: of Dat Wynn and Dexter Cokeley, and by the time
Speaker 1: he saw them play, he was like, WHOA, I was
Speaker 1: wrong about those two. You know, there there is a
Speaker 1: history here for that, for these linebackers. And I think
Speaker 1: that the one that makes a lot of sense for
Speaker 1: me is if you wanted to again a wipe out situation, whatever,
Speaker 1: if you took Lloyd, I'd have absolutely no problem with
Speaker 1: that because I know we can rush the passer and
Speaker 1: I know he could finish this a tackler can he.
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare him to the guy that
Speaker 1: just won Rookie of the Year, And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot there's a lot of scouts around
Speaker 1: the league that have mentioned him, like who would be
Speaker 1: the next guy that could be the next Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: type players. Do you think that's fair? Like he just doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem like he has the same freaky athleticis.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, you give Dan Quinn a lot
Speaker 1: of credit for playing Micah Parsons at defensive end because
Speaker 1: we would have never saw that. We never talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Jedil A lot of us didn't love
Speaker 1: the pick. Yeah, I mean Jeff and well you see
Speaker 1: some you know he could rush the pass and a
Speaker 1: lot and you know, you talk to people. I asked
Speaker 1: George Edwards, a linebackers coach, about this after the season.
Speaker 1: I said, George, you know, tell me about the whole
Speaker 1: thing with Mike and he goes, no, we had an
Speaker 1: idea that he could rush the pastor there's no way
Speaker 1: you had that kind of an idea And he goes, no,
Speaker 1: there's things that you can when you watch him play
Speaker 1: that you felt like that he could rush the passer.
Speaker 1: Half his sacks were at the linebacker spot though too. Yep,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like it was all at defensive end. But
Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like that there is a
Speaker 1: good crew of linebackers that you guys have been talking
Speaker 1: about here really all draft seasons. So you and Bobby
Speaker 1: you answer this too, But like a linebacker at twenty four?
Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a waste, but it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem necessary to me. No, And I like Nacobe
Speaker 1: Dean's a fun player, could be the best player on
Speaker 1: their board. Would I like to have Nakobe Dean here? Sure?
Speaker 1: Like like in a vacuum? Do I want to necessarily
Speaker 1: use twenty four? And Nacoby Dean not necessarily like? Like?
Speaker 1: And it's such a cheat answer? When did that? The
Speaker 1: linebacker I want to pair with him is Jabril Cox?
Speaker 1: That's the linebacker? W And I answered, I mean like
Speaker 1: he's gonna he'll come back. And he flashed a little bit,
Speaker 1: made some good plays before he got hurt. They they
Speaker 1: liked him enough that they were like, Okay, let's go ahead,
Speaker 1: let's move on from Jalen Smith. Let's not risk injury
Speaker 1: and contract guarantee, let's get this going. And so when
Speaker 1: did that change for everybody that you don't think you
Speaker 1: need a linebacker? Oh? That we didn't. We don't like
Speaker 1: Nakobe Deane anymore. No, I think I think everybody likes
Speaker 1: Nacode every every year I fall in love with a
Speaker 1: player that I know they won't draft. It was Buddha
Speaker 1: Baker one year. Yeah, it's it's I love Nakobe Deane.
Speaker 1: I just don't think they would draft him. No. See,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it is so every mock draft.
Speaker 1: It was one of those things. It's so funny with
Speaker 1: the whole thing with and again we had Jim Naggy
Speaker 1: and I asked about the Walker, you know, defensive end
Speaker 1: from Georgia. He says, just the media scouts relayed on that.
Speaker 1: The media scouts were laid on Walker, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, thirteenth I remember we
Speaker 1: talked about that. Sure that everybody would ever I'd ask
Speaker 1: anybody around the NFL about him, their words wouldn't come out,
Speaker 1: and we'd ask about Traymon Walker. Their sponse always begin
Speaker 1: with yeah, just like whoa Like when that sounds like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's so the scout the scouts were the media scouts
Speaker 1: relate to the game on that one. Then, I think
Speaker 1: because he was always being mocked to the Cowboys at twenty,
Speaker 1: I think there's a little surge, to be honest, like
Speaker 1: like up near the top but I think he was
Speaker 1: always a top ten guy. Yeah, another a name that
Speaker 1: we we've talked about him, but he kind of gets
Speaker 1: lost in the shuffle. Aaron wants us to talk about
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary, the Auburn corner. Um does he fit here?
Speaker 1: And also where do you where? Where would you guess
Speaker 1: he gets drafted? I have him in the second round, Bobby,
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about him at all, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can, I can sure jump in his
Speaker 1: I've heard him talked about as a fringe first rounder. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and sixty guys have been talked about it. And he's
Speaker 1: a five eleven one pound guy. He's got those t
Speaker 1: Rex arms. Yeah, and you can you can ye not
Speaker 1: happening here, yeah, okay, But to know the thing about
Speaker 1: him is though he you do and okay, we say
Speaker 1: this about McDuffie though too. We say the same thing
Speaker 1: about McDuff but we praised McDuffie from Washington. Duffe's longer
Speaker 1: than that. Well, but I'm just saying, but not that's
Speaker 1: him saying. I think McDuffie doesn't get beat on contested
Speaker 1: catches like McCreery does. I think you routinely have seen
Speaker 1: on tape, well, not routinely, but I think there are
Speaker 1: nothing instance is on tape of people mossing Roger McCreery
Speaker 1: that I would be concerned about him. Man. You know what,
Speaker 1: I was kind of watching him and I watched the Alabama, Georgia,
Speaker 1: Kentucky and LSU games on him, and I didn't kind
Speaker 1: of feel like I thought he was a really good
Speaker 1: red zone player. I didn't feel like that he was.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like that it was one of those
Speaker 1: things that he was going to have problems. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: he's the best red zone receiver in the corner in
Speaker 1: the NFL is Denzel Award, and that's a five nine corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I mean a lot of you can do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like that, But you're right. We
Speaker 1: haven't talked very much about him. I think he's I
Speaker 1: think he's a really good player, Mussel, he just he falls.
Speaker 1: He's one of those names that seems to fall into
Speaker 1: the range of like twenty four seems too soon and
Speaker 1: he'll be gone by fifty six. Ye. So I've got him.
Speaker 1: It's not like I don't care. Just seem like a
Speaker 1: lot of my one hundred ninety players i've done. I
Speaker 1: have him as number forty eight on my board. Okay, Patrick,
Speaker 1: Patrick wants to know if you would be interested in
Speaker 1: signing Julio Jones if the receiver cards don't fall the
Speaker 1: way you want them to in this draft. I forget
Speaker 1: that he's still out there, to be honest, No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a guy who has had a drop off.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, they just purged a Alabama receiver that
Speaker 1: they were trying to get ahead of a fall like
Speaker 1: this is that like he's clearly starting to fall. He's
Speaker 1: never been the red zone target that I think you'd
Speaker 1: want him to be. And I mean not that he
Speaker 1: wasn't the best receiver in the game one point. He
Speaker 1: absolutely was, But this is a guy who deals with
Speaker 1: injuries and is not nearly the same player he was
Speaker 1: even three years ago. I might be wrong about this,
Speaker 1: but if the Cowboys make us signing after the draft
Speaker 1: and they don't get the guard they want, I could
Speaker 1: see them and maybe I'll be way wrong about this.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's signed with him, but Eric Flower,
Speaker 1: that's the name he's sitting there. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a name I think they do have in their Hopper. Yep,
Speaker 1: I think that is that, And there's at least a
Speaker 1: couple tackles out there that I think could be had.
Speaker 1: Everyone of those eight hundred thousand ye the chase traders
Speaker 1: and guys like that or all that sound like those
Speaker 1: guys are building special broken down guys. They used to
Speaker 1: do that. That that used to be their thing. With safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of those safeties used to sit
Speaker 1: there until like June or two. I mean they've they've
Speaker 1: done it routinely with the offensive line. They did it
Speaker 1: with Byron Bell, they did it with Inseci, They've done
Speaker 1: this spyro Bell. Forgot about that name. Haven't heard that
Speaker 1: in a while. I'll tell you what the one hope
Speaker 1: did I have is for Fowler is because of dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, last year, at this time we're
Speaker 1: talking draft, we have no idea that dan Quinn can
Speaker 1: wave a magic want and get guys to play better
Speaker 1: than they are. You brought that up on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: we were we were talking about Mica on our podcast
Speaker 1: Cowboys Break yesterday, and I was like, if I had
Speaker 1: known how, if I had felt absolute confidence in dan
Speaker 1: Quinn that I do right now, I would have felt
Speaker 1: so much better about that picks on draft night. See
Speaker 1: that's what Mike, Guys not convinced. Every coach that's ever
Speaker 1: been here would have gotten that out. If you drafted
Speaker 1: defensive player here, you feel like he's going to be
Speaker 1: used the right way. You know, you feel like if
Speaker 1: they bring somebody in on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: they're going to be used the right way. You know
Speaker 1: that that that now is no longer. The questions are
Speaker 1: about when you talk about drafting Burkes, the wide receiver
Speaker 1: from Arkansas, is is he going to be used the
Speaker 1: right way? Is any of these guys going to be
Speaker 1: used the right way? Because like the same we've got
Speaker 1: questions about Ceedee Lamb right now? Is Ceedee Lamb at
Speaker 1: his absolute best? Uh? You know level layer. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have questions, you know, CD, I just he
Speaker 1: can take his game another step. I don't have questions.
Speaker 1: But that's but it's a question you you would you
Speaker 1: would you thought when you when I think it's closer
Speaker 1: to his ceiling than they initially thought. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: talked about that on the radio recently. I've talked about
Speaker 1: that a lot. People keep screaming at me Christopher wants
Speaker 1: to know, Robin, he didn't say, what's what's that the
Speaker 1: hundred acre would, but the hundred acre would where they
Speaker 1: hang out. Yeah, okay, Uh. Christopher wants to know if
Speaker 1: it's if you shut up, everybody shut up. If it's
Speaker 1: guard receiver, let's you know in this in this magical world,
Speaker 1: guard receiver. It can be any order you want. It
Speaker 1: can be guard first, receiver second, it can be receiver first,
Speaker 1: guard second, which combo of those two players drafted twenty
Speaker 1: fourth and fifty sixth would make you the happiest. I
Speaker 1: like this question a lot, Christopher man um so see
Speaker 1: because I really love and be realistic about it. No,
Speaker 1: we are um because it's tough. I would say Jamison Williams,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's realistic. Probably just because
Speaker 1: the drop off on the interior is pretty strong after
Speaker 1: you get past Green and Johnson. I feel like whereas
Speaker 1: receiver doesn't draw. I love Treylan Burkes at Arkansas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you'd be a stud here, but the drop
Speaker 1: off is so steep that I'd probably prefer Green and
Speaker 1: then give me at fifty six j Jaylen Tolbert, Alabama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking I was kind of looking at just
Speaker 1: off my stack, how I think it might go. I
Speaker 1: think that to me, it would probably be green and
Speaker 1: Christian Watson from North Dakota State say more stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think that that would be a d I
Speaker 1: think Watson has I think it'd be tough to get
Speaker 1: him to fifty six. I mean, I've got him as
Speaker 1: my fifty third best player on my board. I was
Speaker 1: just taking my stack. I was just just you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, not to the point I'm as like
Speaker 1: I say, I've got him as my fifty I've got
Speaker 1: guys ahead of him. See, I've got like sky More
Speaker 1: ahead of him at forty three. And so I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have a shot at sky More. I'll
Speaker 1: give you another guy I think I might have a
Speaker 1: shot at. And you tell me if you want to
Speaker 1: deal with John Mitchie and the injury, and I was
Speaker 1: about to bring him up, why I don't want to do.
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with a guy who's not
Speaker 1: going to be like in Acs. I know I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about two of those guys. Now. Britt Brown's gonna
Speaker 1: be up to his rear. I don't have him and
Speaker 1: he's gonna have him ready. Met She's a good player.
Speaker 1: I don't like Metchi enough to deal with the starting
Speaker 1: receiving cord the first three weeks of the season is
Speaker 1: CD James Washington and Noah Brown. I don't like him
Speaker 1: enough to sacrifice those first few weeks. He's okay, but
Speaker 1: it's it's not. It's not You're not two weeks vers
Speaker 1: not like Jamison's different. Jamieson's different. Jamison, I'll make that sacrifice.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it for Metchi. See and if
Speaker 1: you want, if you want to give me Burke's in
Speaker 1: the first round. Since I said the guard drop off
Speaker 1: is significant, I would love I would personally be okay
Speaker 1: with Sean Ryan. The UCLA players fifty six, I don't.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of other people view him were
Speaker 1: like a third. I think when you watch it and
Speaker 1: it was at tackle, I think when you watch him
Speaker 1: go up against Cavon Thibodeaux, Thibodeau wasn't getting anything against
Speaker 1: Ryan and they had to flip him to the other
Speaker 1: side to get that production against UCLA. Okay, what if
Speaker 1: you went Jamieson Williams and then you went und if
Speaker 1: James guard, Jamisonnard get that. I don't know that Canard
Speaker 1: gets up far. I mean, okay, I don't think Williams
Speaker 1: get that far. Well, No, Canard, I got it forty six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get it's somewhere right around fifty six.
Speaker 1: And I know that to forty six is not fifty six,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to look at my board. Okay, how
Speaker 1: about how about Sailor from Georgia? Sure, Jamison, Yeah at
Speaker 1: fifty six. Yeah, if you give me Jamison Williams, that
Speaker 1: might be a little rich. I got him in fifty nine.
Speaker 1: I got I got Sailor, the I got Sailor, the guard.
Speaker 1: I don't care Williamson Sailor or or the other way around.
Speaker 1: What we were talking about, what we were talking about
Speaker 1: Green and I think you I was, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say Green and Pickens or I like Watson too. I
Speaker 1: like Watson too. But what you just said, See, I
Speaker 1: mean I can get James. I can't. I can't get Picking.
Speaker 1: I can't get Pickens to me. I don't think I don't.
Speaker 1: I think it's more realistic. You get Pickings at fifty
Speaker 1: six and Jamison Williams a twenty four. Yeah, we'll see though.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Does Watson Ken Watson, does he have
Speaker 1: inside outside flex? I don't know if he did that.
Speaker 1: I got pickings at twenty eight on my board. That's
Speaker 1: why I didn't even consider him. Well, that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of this more so than any other year. I think
Speaker 1: nobody agrees on any of this crap. No, No, I
Speaker 1: heard you mentioned their line earlier. He did a podcast
Speaker 1: with Dane the other day where he was saying, I
Speaker 1: think Pickens could slide a lot further in the second
Speaker 1: than a lot of people think. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: let's go. I mean, I mean, is it because the
Speaker 1: injury history or something like injury history not as much
Speaker 1: production as you would prefer. That's that's a really good player.
Speaker 1: You watch him play against those top corners we're talking
Speaker 1: about McCrary, we're talking watch him play against Stingley, you know,
Speaker 1: like two years ago. He's lighting up these corners we're
Speaker 1: all talking about in the first and second round. And
Speaker 1: that's that's why on the flip side with the guards,
Speaker 1: that's why I like Ryan so much. Just you watch
Speaker 1: what he was r Ryan. Competition. Ryan's not a bad competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ryan's not a bad not a bad talk about it
Speaker 1: at all real quickly from Matt before we go to break,
Speaker 1: pinky toe. Bet you know what that means. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a or old buddy pinky toe. Bet? What's the
Speaker 1: pick at twenty four? Don't him and had don't give
Speaker 1: me a bunch of crap? Kenyon Green Green, Kenyon Green Green.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, if unless there's a slider that we're
Speaker 1: not thinking about, you can't predict it to a certain
Speaker 1: But like if mistaaten't answer Kenyngreen, if my pinky toe
Speaker 1: was on the line, that is the name that I
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Speaker 1: You got Dave Hellman's mock draft in the Singer, right,
Speaker 1: Dave's Helman. Dave Helman's mock draft that he turned in
Speaker 1: on March like fifteenth. I think like the six teams
Speaker 1: have changed picks since that mock draft came out. I mean,
Speaker 1: not the greatest cell job of my life, but we
Speaker 1: got all kinds of draft analysis down all time at
Speaker 1: each position. Yeah, that's awesome. There's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: in there. And I wish we had put Zion on
Speaker 1: the cover because that the pick is on there. The
Speaker 1: pick is on the cover of that magazine unless it's Zion.
Speaker 1: So you're saying they're gonna take the center from Iowa.
Speaker 1: It could be Linda which Washington quarters on there. I
Speaker 1: can't see McDuffie McDuffie, Okay, Yeah, I love to always
Speaker 1: love the cover on that. Somebody somebody yelled at me
Speaker 1: today like and it's a good point like they drafted
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, which means maybe they would draft McDuffie. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think they differently opposed to McDuffie, though,
Speaker 1: I think it would just take the I would it
Speaker 1: would take it. I'd have to fight at the it'd
Speaker 1: have to fall at the right point. But I think
Speaker 1: I think they they're comfortable with day McDuffie uses this link.
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Speaker 1: one last edition of Tell Me More. I love this.
Speaker 1: I texted Bobby and I was like, do I hear
Speaker 1: right that you're on the show. He's like, yeah, like cool,
Speaker 1: here's five day three prospects. I need you to watch
Speaker 1: by tomorrow morning. At one forty seven, I was done
Speaker 1: with the last one. I was done at one thirty two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to bed at like midnight. So good for y'all.
Speaker 1: Way to be dedicated. Let's start off, since I know
Speaker 1: Bobby likes this guy. Oh no, don't make me die
Speaker 1: on a hill. We'll start off with Isaiah Taylor. Isaiah Isaac.
Speaker 1: I thought it said Isaiah. I'm just Isaac Taylor Stewart,
Speaker 1: the cornerback out of USC Fight on fight on. Oh
Speaker 1: so I'm scared, Like because after I watched him, this
Speaker 1: is a good player, that's okay. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I looked around. I was like, surely everybody else has it,
Speaker 1: but I was like, he's telling me more so not.
Speaker 1: And I looked at I was like, oh, Dane has
Speaker 1: him in the sixth, Zeroline has him in the sixth.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be on an island here. So when
Speaker 1: I watched him, and really great size and athleticism. He's
Speaker 1: six one and a half two hundred one pounds. He
Speaker 1: was a four four two forty guy one four seven
Speaker 1: on the ten yards split. The shorter you quickness is
Speaker 1: really really really good. Um so, really good athlete. But
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that like I kept hearing how
Speaker 1: raw he was from people, and I thought he had
Speaker 1: pretty good natural instincts, Like he had a good feel.
Speaker 1: I thought, Um, I thought he was a lot better
Speaker 1: impressed than playing off. Yeah yeah, well they'll they'll just
Speaker 1: just depends Washington State. He was in press exclusively and
Speaker 1: then he goes up against Notre Dame and he's off
Speaker 1: exclusively exactly. Um but even when he was playing off,
Speaker 1: I saw there was good read and react I thought
Speaker 1: he could plant and drive. I think he's really patient.
Speaker 1: I think he's disciplined, especially even as the play breaks down,
Speaker 1: when it's really tough to kind of freelance and you're
Speaker 1: you're trying to stay in somebody's hit pocket. I thought
Speaker 1: he did a pretty good job of it. The athletic
Speaker 1: testing I think shows up, and to me, it's willing.
Speaker 1: In the run game, there's some stuff. The stuff I
Speaker 1: didn't like. There's not a lot of ball production, stays
Speaker 1: in his pedal too long. It feels like at times
Speaker 1: it tends to get off balance, and he doesn't totally
Speaker 1: seem comfortable flip in his hips and going towards the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. He grabs when people cut inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's a little lot of because he was a
Speaker 1: six eight one three count. He doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: stiff guy, um, but it almost seems like he doesn't
Speaker 1: trust his ability to flip and turn and get back
Speaker 1: to the middle of the field. I think Bobby's got
Speaker 1: this guy nailed. I think he did a print. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a hell of a first stating. That
Speaker 1: was I think he didn't get ready to draft this
Speaker 1: guy in the third round. This guy. That's where I
Speaker 1: have him is the third This guy, this guy will
Speaker 1: plays your field corner though you know in the field,
Speaker 1: and I mean field corner, you have what called a
Speaker 1: boundary corner in college and then a field corner. So
Speaker 1: he takes a lot of the uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: open space and stuff that he has to do. Bobby's
Speaker 1: right about the coverage stuff. You watch him in the
Speaker 1: Notre Dame game, and there's you always see him driving
Speaker 1: from depth. I think is something there. But he could
Speaker 1: you know, he's got the length and he's got the quickness. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think he can turn, and I think he can
Speaker 1: stay on the same you know, he could stay with
Speaker 1: when receivers try and carry him, he's with them. He's not,
Speaker 1: he's not. You don't see a lot of separation in
Speaker 1: his game. The thing that I tend to watch with
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame game that bothered me a little bit
Speaker 1: is he floats, you know, and so you wonder, okay,
Speaker 1: do you have to put your thumb on him and say,
Speaker 1: scheme specific. You have to play here, you have to
Speaker 1: play pre So you know, sometimes you would see these
Speaker 1: corners that are like they look good, they're kind of
Speaker 1: like I'm really not sure what's going on here. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make a play. You know, i'd see
Speaker 1: a little floating to his game. But the length and
Speaker 1: the way, the quickness and the speed. Uh, but the tackling,
Speaker 1: I mean, you see a guy that lunges a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as a tackle. But I'm I
Speaker 1: could see why people, I mean there's people not really
Speaker 1: Maybe he got tired doing this player, you know, like
Speaker 1: Zerline and Danning, those guys. Bobby might be right about
Speaker 1: them out I think so they kissed somebody. They might
Speaker 1: have because to me, this guy's got that ability when
Speaker 1: you talk about the length and the speed, and but
Speaker 1: I need to find out if he how well he
Speaker 1: takes coaching as far as playing these schemes. And he was.
Speaker 1: He's a guy who um four position coaches and four years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't get a lot of stemma. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: he floats. He's a he's an interesting guy. He's a
Speaker 1: sence to jazz music. He meditates, he's a black belt
Speaker 1: in taekwondo, like yeah, and his dad's an eighth degree.
Speaker 1: His dad teaches. Oh my god, I mean he's a
Speaker 1: renaissance bad good for him. All right, Okay, good player.
Speaker 1: That's the type of guy that we talked about, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn giveing the most out of I'd love to see
Speaker 1: dan Quinn work with him and Joe Witt. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: do guys and I'm like, Okay, that sounds cool, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like I'm in and DeMarco Jackson's definitely one
Speaker 1: of those, and I'll add him to the list too.
Speaker 1: When the name gets called, at least you'll know, well,
Speaker 1: not only will I know, I'll be excited. I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the jazz guy. Yeah, karate jazz h Kyan Johnson.
Speaker 1: We need to talk about a Jayhawk. Cowboys aren't afraid
Speaker 1: to talk about a Jayhawk. Karen Johnson, linebacker out of Kansas.
Speaker 1: Positives for me are all you know, the athleticism is grade.
Speaker 1: He's six, he's about six flat two thirty one, but
Speaker 1: I mean he's a four four speed guy. His verticals
Speaker 1: thirty nine and a half. He was a Dallastay participant.
Speaker 1: I heard Bones Fossil was really on top of him.
Speaker 1: Met his family. You know, they're interested in him. But
Speaker 1: he's the stuff that sticks out with me. The athleticism,
Speaker 1: the motor is always hot. He's tough because he's undersized,
Speaker 1: and he's getting bullied by guys that are eighty pounds
Speaker 1: heavier than him. And he's still in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, in full pursuit, and you know, never gives
Speaker 1: up on the play. While the athleticism is good, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I saw four four high four three
Speaker 1: speed always on tape, like even when he was out,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of freelancing. He had a sack against
Speaker 1: Oklahoma as a rushing linebacker at the a gap where
Speaker 1: you really saw the burst and the clothes. But this
Speaker 1: is a guy who he's going to play linebacker at
Speaker 1: the next level, special teams player, who's going to be
Speaker 1: brought along as to learn the will at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: that's where I've heard most teams have him as at
Speaker 1: the will, but some teams still deal him as has
Speaker 1: kind of a pass rushing sam, but definitely a linebacker
Speaker 1: at the next level. Man Bobby begins on, he's got
Speaker 1: his fastball working on the black here. I mean it
Speaker 1: is when you watch him pass rush. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's all about technique. I think it's just
Speaker 1: about his desire in his will to get past that guy.
Speaker 1: They played that you watched the Texas game, I mean
Speaker 1: they don't block him. I mean he's I mean he's dipping.
Speaker 1: You know. Again you're thinking, like, oh, well, Texas, maybe
Speaker 1: Texas has some some offensive linemen that could block well,
Speaker 1: they couldn't block him. Was virgin another. There were teams
Speaker 1: that heat that had trouble blocking this guy, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that. Sometimes they just don't block him at all,
Speaker 1: you know, and you see him, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: like but you go back and I was kind of curious,
Speaker 1: Like he was on the Senior Bowl stuff too, and
Speaker 1: there was a time where he was able to like
Speaker 1: like he's going to kids Penny and he's like underneath
Speaker 1: him walking him back to the quarterback to hear that.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm kind of like going, man, this
Speaker 1: guy's got some toughness to him as well. So I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like the way I love the way
Speaker 1: he attacks the ball, I love the speed. I love
Speaker 1: how he's closing, how fast he closes. Those Kansas kids,
Speaker 1: And you brought it up a lot of times they're
Speaker 1: out of games, they're out of games, and if you're
Speaker 1: still in and I remember this for Ron Leary when
Speaker 1: he was at Memphis, they were a bad team, and
Speaker 1: like they're down forty five to Mississippi State and he's
Speaker 1: still kicking that guy's ass across from him, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of thing I think you get
Speaker 1: a little bit with Johnson here that he just keeps
Speaker 1: playing hard. Karen Johnson was at Dallas day because he
Speaker 1: is from Arlington. He went to Lamar High School, which
Speaker 1: is Vikings across the highway from AT and T could
Speaker 1: probably say we had him up there at the fan.
Speaker 1: He came in the studio. He was the most dynamic
Speaker 1: interview we had. He has a We had to dump
Speaker 1: him a couple of times. He had a little he's great.
Speaker 1: All right, we're bat in two for two here. I
Speaker 1: mean I try to I pick guys for a reason.
Speaker 1: They should like Day three guys, but like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: the guy was maybe a Day two all right, we're
Speaker 1: looking for you know, if it doesn't work out with
Speaker 1: Kenyon Green or somebody else, we're looking for guard help
Speaker 1: on day three. About Andrew Stuber out of Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is definitely a guard. He played right tackle at Michigan.
Speaker 1: But he's gonna have to be a guard in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So he only had eighteen reps at his pro day,
Speaker 1: which for six seven three twenty three tradition. Yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: four inch arms, you know, eighteen reps of his party.
Speaker 1: But I think the tape shows he plays with more
Speaker 1: power than that. I you know, I don't think he
Speaker 1: looks weak necessarily in run blocking. Particularly his lower body
Speaker 1: I think is really powerful. Um. I think he knows
Speaker 1: how to use his size. He gets movement in the
Speaker 1: run game. The problem at tackle, I mean heavy feet,
Speaker 1: kick slide was kind of sloppy at times. I felt
Speaker 1: like getting into his pass that's was lumbering. UM. Felt
Speaker 1: like the athletes and the technicians who rushed the pastor
Speaker 1: at the next level would would have a field day
Speaker 1: if he was out and on an island against him.
Speaker 1: So definitely a guard speeds a problem for him. But
Speaker 1: you know, let him wrestle with the big boys on
Speaker 1: the interior. I wouldn't hate it in the fifth or
Speaker 1: sixth round. Yeah, you know, I watched him against Ohio
Speaker 1: State in Georgia, and and you know, George is always
Speaker 1: the litmus test for me, and you say, you're find
Speaker 1: a way to block. They played Georgia Aabama. That's the tape. Well,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like you watch him and Bobby's got
Speaker 1: him again with about the foot athletes stuff. They asked
Speaker 1: him to pull though, and like some times they just
Speaker 1: straight pull and sometimes they do this weird technique at
Speaker 1: Michigan where they slide parallel to the line and then
Speaker 1: get around the corners, so he has to almost like
Speaker 1: it's like he's doing a dance move like stay in
Speaker 1: square and then you know, then getting up on the
Speaker 1: blocker and stuff like that. I kind of thought he
Speaker 1: had adequate body control, you know, doing that and just
Speaker 1: you know in this past protection as well, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't see him, you didn't see him
Speaker 1: get fooled. There were teams trying to Georgia, was trying
Speaker 1: to do stuff to him, and you know, he was
Speaker 1: able to sort all that stuff out. So you know
Speaker 1: that's I kind of I think that this guy. When
Speaker 1: you start talking about a guy at six seven, twenty
Speaker 1: five pounds, and you got to worry about guys not
Speaker 1: doing a lot of reps if they're really long armed
Speaker 1: and they're tall, because it's hard to drive that bar
Speaker 1: from your chest all the way to the point where
Speaker 1: everybody's going, Okay, good rep, good rep. You know like that, Hey,
Speaker 1: sometimes you could do you can cheat those reps and
Speaker 1: get a lot more. But I'll say this though, I
Speaker 1: felt like though this guy wasn't just a bum. I
Speaker 1: mean there was you know, he's got something to his game.
Speaker 1: But again it's gonna be I mean, it's more about
Speaker 1: the power than it is anything else. How about Austin
Speaker 1: Allen the tight end. This is guy's a freak. I
Speaker 1: like Nebraska good, like the most deceiving three and nine
Speaker 1: record in college. It's a six eight tight end. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is one of the weirdest drafts. I mean weird
Speaker 1: in a kind of like whoa kind of way. All
Speaker 1: these tight ends are damn six seven or six eight.
Speaker 1: I mean they're all huge, I mean as far as link. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm watching this guy play against Ohio State Minnesota
Speaker 1: and there's I mean, here we are another one of
Speaker 1: those six seven, six eight tight ends. I was amazed
Speaker 1: how open this guy got, you know, verse tall easy
Speaker 1: as you figure, like, come on, somebody like you know
Speaker 1: he would be like, oh, cover the tall guy, you know,
Speaker 1: but they don't. He's got to really they line him
Speaker 1: up in line, which is next to the tackle. They
Speaker 1: line him up flex they put him out why he
Speaker 1: kind of has a feel for how to kind of
Speaker 1: get lost and then being the open in the quarterback,
Speaker 1: Martiniz finds a way to get him the ball. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I think, he, you know, he's what
Speaker 1: these guys he's like when he watched he kills defenses
Speaker 1: with this delay delay delay ball, I'm out in the
Speaker 1: and then he gets the ball and goes that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. So I mean, I saw a guy that
Speaker 1: when you watch him run block a little bit, he
Speaker 1: did manage to bend his knees, and you worry about
Speaker 1: that for a really really tall guy. So like that,
Speaker 1: I think that the you know, when you start talking
Speaker 1: about the length is a weapon in the red zone.
Speaker 1: He appears to be very quarterback friendly the way he
Speaker 1: plays and the way he catches the ball because their
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are awful, you know, and so but he does
Speaker 1: a nice job of catching the ball. Do you have
Speaker 1: a guess as to why there are so many, like
Speaker 1: six eight monsters? I have no idea, but think about this, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: just guys, yeah, the one the ones I've seen Austin
Speaker 1: Allen six eighty six seven. Yeah, Okay, let me. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of going down my list here. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're all like, yeah, Coal or six seven h
Speaker 1: cold Turner, pretty big cold Turner six seven. You're absolutely
Speaker 1: right about that. So, I mean there's monsters, there's these
Speaker 1: these these all these tight ends are all six seven.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Woods, Yeah, I mean they're all six seven
Speaker 1: and better. What did you have, Bobby? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Brian's gotten pretty much. I'll say the thing that
Speaker 1: really stood out to me though, was he shows a
Speaker 1: real ability to like make these catches in traffic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't see anything that suggests he wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to translate that part of his game to the NFL.
Speaker 1: So UM, blocking tight end with reliable hands, I think
Speaker 1: I think he does find the soft spot in his zone.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna ever be a seam guy or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Um, And I don't think he's ever going
Speaker 1: to be the guy on a team. But he has
Speaker 1: the potential to contribute for like a two tight end offense.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I think that that's kind of his ceiling. Um.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him put on a little more mass.
Speaker 1: He's already put on like forty pounds apparently since he
Speaker 1: got to Nebraska. Um, but a little more mass um
Speaker 1: if he's going to be in line blocking. Amazing how
Speaker 1: he catches the ball though, I mean it's hands are good,
Speaker 1: real good. The highlight that they showed on the TV.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got impressive body control for being That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Six nine. These these guys, it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard for these it's hard for these defensive backs
Speaker 1: and linebackers to take these six seven, the Kohlers and
Speaker 1: and you're turning the guys like that and then Alan
Speaker 1: because you're trying to defend them in their link. They're
Speaker 1: catching balls away from their body and you're trying to
Speaker 1: jump there and get to the ball, and you can't
Speaker 1: get there. These guys are weapons, and you know they're
Speaker 1: all kind of in that little pocket together. You know,
Speaker 1: probably not a first round guy. Whether you like McBride,
Speaker 1: maybe he's your first round guy. I don't know, he's
Speaker 1: a second round guy. With me. I don't think there
Speaker 1: will be a tight end Drave I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: not at all. They're taking They're they're taking a tight end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen when of these guys good to quote
Speaker 1: Brian brought us just get ready. I'm just telling you that. No. Um,
Speaker 1: I try to pick these names a day or two
Speaker 1: ahead of time to give you all time to watch them.
Speaker 1: So I picked this name and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah this. You know, I've heard some buzz about this guy.
Speaker 1: He seems pretty good. And then yesterday uh Garafolo and
Speaker 1: Rappapor on NFL Network try to basically said that he's
Speaker 1: like a Devo replacement. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm on the right track. So tell me
Speaker 1: about Velis Jones Less Thank you Jones Junior. That's why
Speaker 1: we do. It's called tell me more for a reason.
Speaker 1: Bayless Jones Junior out of Tennessee. So I still think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of projection with this guy because it's
Speaker 1: a little bit like the Baylor receivers or like the
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman. Because they didn't ask him to run a
Speaker 1: lot of advanced routes. His route tree was really limited.
Speaker 1: But he's a return specialist who started at USC transferred
Speaker 1: to Tennessee. Like I said, limited route tree. Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: was really big for him with NFL teams the folks
Speaker 1: that I've talked to, because again a little limited, they
Speaker 1: got a chance to really see him in some of
Speaker 1: these one on ones with DBS, and I think he
Speaker 1: really impressed them. He showed, like you know, an ability
Speaker 1: to one of the line of scrimmage with his releases
Speaker 1: and and and be a good route runner. He lined
Speaker 1: up mostly in the slot at Tennessee, but I mean
Speaker 1: he did take some reps outside, usually in bunch formations
Speaker 1: taking smoke route. So he's up there blogging. He's willing
Speaker 1: to block. He's not always great at it, but he's
Speaker 1: willing to get out there at front. Black there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, returned specialists who fifteen yards
Speaker 1: per return at punts last year. Um only took one
Speaker 1: carry this year, but definitely could be a jet sweep
Speaker 1: type of guy. UM doesn't necessarily have them moves to
Speaker 1: make guys missing space. I don't feel like. But he's
Speaker 1: got great straight line speed, good contact balance, he doesn't
Speaker 1: go down easy, picks up extra yards. I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: I this guy was fun to watch. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: picked him because I was. I know I was going
Speaker 1: through Dane's top three hundred and I'm like, God, I
Speaker 1: didn't see this guy and then all of a sudden, boom,
Speaker 1: you put him on the list. You're welcome, So yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing that. This guy's a running back
Speaker 1: playing wide receiver. I think. I mean, he's six foot,
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and four pounds. That build is, yeah,
Speaker 1: that build is, and he's he's he's got that build.
Speaker 1: But he's physically impressive the way he's just like you
Speaker 1: watch him in games. He just blows through tacklers, you know,
Speaker 1: and the lower body power or the drive. I thought
Speaker 1: he played with balance, the body control. He could be
Speaker 1: a difficult guy to knock off his feet. I felt
Speaker 1: like he had rare, rare field and vision to see
Speaker 1: the field because there'll be times where he's carrying the
Speaker 1: ball and he will make a cut just at the
Speaker 1: right time. You know, it's like, oh he's about to
Speaker 1: get tackle booming, he's over here. So, I mean, I
Speaker 1: was there's a lot to be about this guy that
Speaker 1: you could like, Bobby's right, the slot stuff, but you
Speaker 1: see him executing a lot of different routes in order
Speaker 1: to get open out of that, and he is a
Speaker 1: burner up the field when he gets a step, he's
Speaker 1: gone and er again. Another program with shaky quarterback play,
Speaker 1: and he makes a lot of play. Warntano sailed like
Speaker 1: three fourth throws. It's crazy. It's crazy some of the
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that goes on. But they played
Speaker 1: a really fast offense. So as you're watching highlights, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get up and he's gonna hand the ball the
Speaker 1: official watching. There we go, bunny official, give him the ball. Boom.
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna run a play. You know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what he does. I mean, that's I mean, they
Speaker 1: ran a I think it was the uh it might
Speaker 1: have been the Purdue game, Alabama games watching, but they run,
Speaker 1: They put him in the slot and they run it.
Speaker 1: They exchanged the routes and like he's up the field
Speaker 1: before they produe even adjust or Alba even a justust
Speaker 1: four three one speed exactly. This guy's so, I mean,
Speaker 1: this sounds to me like if you're if you're able
Speaker 1: to see this, watch this is a part return this
Speaker 1: is it gets old, just narrating highlights for those he
Speaker 1: just gotta boom and that, and and they were down,
Speaker 1: they were down seven with like thirty seconds left in
Speaker 1: the game. When that thing happened right there. Now, Now
Speaker 1: he's Terrence Snowman too, though. Yeah, he's gonna be twenty
Speaker 1: five as a rookie. I don't care. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna see That's what I'm saying, though, Terence Snowman.
Speaker 1: Everybody told us that we drafted him and he played
Speaker 1: twenty seven years in the league. Yeah, so, uh, do
Speaker 1: you have a great on him, Brian? Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: him in the fifth round? Hey, he go he I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people have talked about him in
Speaker 1: like six seven. I know, I think that's the bey
Speaker 1: the chatter about him, what I've heard from teams. I
Speaker 1: think he goes higher. I think he goes early day three.
Speaker 1: So this is just me spitball in here. But like
Speaker 1: I'm imagining, you draft this guy, probably not to step
Speaker 1: into the starting lineup, but he could take over return
Speaker 1: duties from city and to kind of find a role
Speaker 1: for him there. And he's going to be kind of
Speaker 1: a copy guy USC guy. Right, is that we said? Please? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Your your animation on the last
Speaker 1: two has really sold me. Like you put up this
Speaker 1: was only that was the exchange. I thought it was
Speaker 1: I knew i'd seen him. He got some jet. He
Speaker 1: blew that exchange against South Carolina. Yeah, but see, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This guy has got the ability to
Speaker 1: like he can make it happen. And Dane had him.
Speaker 1: I think Dane had him is one of those guys.
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't get to every single guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I got to one hundred and ninety guys.
Speaker 1: We have day jobs. Yeah, Dane, this is Dane's job. Well,
Speaker 1: but but but you look at Dane. Dane had him.
Speaker 1: I believe in the top two hundred on his board.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean more maybe in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred. Really, what I'm hearing is like,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be surprised to hear this guy's name even
Speaker 1: earlier than maybe what y'all are fourth. I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if you heard him in the fourth. I might
Speaker 1: be a little surprised if you heard him in third.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he got called him the fourth. Yeah, good, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dane had him as player one eight, two hundred board
Speaker 1: this collectively, like I said, I love DeMarco Jackson. There's
Speaker 1: a couple other guys we've talked about, but this might
Speaker 1: be the most overall exciting group we've done, which is
Speaker 1: a great way to end it. Yeah, Bobby, congrats you
Speaker 1: didn't screw up. Thanks man, I thought you were okay.
Speaker 1: We even got names right that you messed up whatever
Speaker 1: it's called. Tell me more. This will be good, you guys,
Speaker 1: we'll get a whole week of just ruining Dave's on
Speaker 1: air life. You guys can join me in it. You
Speaker 1: don't think that that's been happening this entire time. We
Speaker 1: were all I think it's I think it's getting napped
Speaker 1: up for you. You know, you know I bring it
Speaker 1: to another level. I already struggle to keep this thing
Speaker 1: on the rails. Man, Speaking of which, were over time.
Speaker 1: When we come, when you hear us again, will be
Speaker 1: Dave's mailbag that he had to type before the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go read my mailbag Dallas Cowboys dot com. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you know where we are. We'll be back with him
Speaker 1: draft on Tuesday. You go, we're gonna do We're gonna
Speaker 1: try to do all nine picks. With the way that
Speaker 1: y'all get long winded. I don't know what that is,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll have a mock draft for you Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and then a week from today it's the draft Man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for listening. We'll be back next time.
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