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Speaker 2: You couldn't be bothered to walk up in my apartment.

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Speaker 2: So we're once again doing this song zoom. But that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in between cooking dinner for my family

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Speaker 3: Something very big has happened since the last time we

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Well, I mean, I mean, it's a pretty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no time like the present. What I am referring to,

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Speaker 3: it's probably our best issue ever and we got your boy,

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Speaker 2: To you, well, the fact that I think it's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Look, I mean nobody wants Nick to

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Speaker 2: It by everybody. Thanks well, thanks for joining me for

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I want an issue of Racket Magazine.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a great magazine. And it's kind of

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Speaker 2: it's the thought process behind Racket in general is to

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Speaker 2: like I always say, playing professional sports is like legal addiction, right,

435
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,160
Speaker 2: because you get that high that you don't get doing

436
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,240
Speaker 2: anything else, and then all of a sudden, it's like

437
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 2: when you lose, it's it's like you want to just

438
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,320
Speaker 2: kill yourself, you know what I mean, you go into

439
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 2: those depressions.

440
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing because it's like a thing that

441
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Speaker 1: doesn't really because you know, I have some friends that

442
00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: are athletes and tennis some I think probably more so

443
00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 1: like team sports, but like it's an interesting kind of

444
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 1: fame where like it's very like I don't ever landed

445
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 1: in airport, people are like you suck, you know what

446
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's not a thing really Like I

447
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 1: mean there's people in like comment sections on the internet,

448
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, but like fans of my band don't generally

449
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: think that. And I feel like so much of like

450
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,719
Speaker 1: professional athletes, it's like you're as good as like your

451
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 1: last thing, you know, and then it's like, you know,

452
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 1: it was so interesting. We went me and my my

453
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: twelve year old went to Indian Wells and we like

454
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 1: somehow got in and watched a Federer match and I

455
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: don't remember who he's playing, but it was like hearing

456
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 1: the emotion when people like are for him fed uh,

457
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like every moment and I'm like,

458
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so much like it's like

459
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: these people are like losing a part of themselves and

460
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: gaining a part of themselves.

461
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Speaker 2: It was just.

462
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Speaker 1: It's not yet. It was something that I'm like, I'm

463
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 1: not really wired for that, you know what I mean,

464
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Speaker 1: Like I don't really I don't know.

465
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Speaker 2: I guess that any way to acquate it to your

466
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 2: life would have been if you'd gone into like some

467
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,200
Speaker 2: small pub or a small club in you know, Chicago

468
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: when you were growing up, and Arro's like, well, where's

469
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 2: the other band?

470
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the interesting thing for me, but that didn't

471
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Speaker 1: no no, But it was also like it's just not

472
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: even it's more like this. It's like the equivalent of

473
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: like you're just on court like twenty four so there's

474
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Speaker 1: just nobody watching you.

475
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 2: You know.

476
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: You're like, that's what, yeah, you know what I mean, know,

477
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 1: like that's what, Like there's just nobody there. There's no

478
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: one there to boo you. There's just no you just

479
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: can't like no one's interested.

480
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: You know.

481
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was on many times. So so I'm judging

482
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Speaker 2: by your fact that you've mentioned Roger like three times

483
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: he was he's your favorite player.

484
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Speaker 1: Or I'm all over the place, So I like, I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: I think that it's hard not to in the era

486
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Speaker 1: we're in be like they're like some like to me

487
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Speaker 1: like three or four maybe the greatest ever, you know, Serena,

488
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Speaker 1: Roger Nadal. So but I think that I have like

489
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: a strange So I also like Dennis che Brad Gilbert,

490
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Speaker 1: I got I can't I can't say any of the

491
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Speaker 1: names that people that I like. I like him, I

492
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: like Crios, I don't know if there's a controversial thing

493
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Speaker 1: to say. You know, I like the spirit and then

494
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,959
Speaker 1: I like Sablena. Yeah, I just like the fire and

495
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: I liked how she's like hitting the winners woman. Yeah totally.

496
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: It was very cool. But to me, you need like

497
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 1: or how I think about things is like so when

498
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Speaker 1: I got really into tennis, then I was like, what

499
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: is the like cultural version of tennis that I'm really

500
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Speaker 1: into and that was like Agasy and throwback Agasy and

501
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: I remember Agasy back then, but like like I loved it,

502
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: and I can I can get a little too like

503
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: like where people are like, well, why do you just

504
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: like look just like well, like we're in the you know.

505
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 2: The beauty of a podcast is that we can dress

506
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: how we want. We can look like right, so I

507
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: just want to let everybody know you do your hair

508
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: is a little doe, a little you know, agacy like

509
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: and so I'm thinking that you're bringing back.

510
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Speaker 1: The Yeah, yeah definitely. I mean I had I have

511
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Speaker 1: like the gear that I would wear. So so so

512
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Speaker 1: how I like, I've approached so many things like and

513
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Speaker 1: I've noticed that like you were in the Red Wine,

514
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: I'm in like different wine than you were into. I

515
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Speaker 1: I did a little research as well, But so how I.

516
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Speaker 2: Get it tequila? Like today I'm a hungover my friend whatever,

517
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Speaker 2: she didn't make me drink way too much red wine,

518
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: so like tequila.

519
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Speaker 1: So okay, got it. It's just in case it's updated.

520
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Speaker 1: Got it, I'm updating the info. Uh No, So how

521
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Speaker 1: I get into things, I think, and it's probably like

522
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Speaker 1: not the way you're really supposed to do is like

523
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: I get into something and then I find like what

524
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: my access point is to it, you know, and get

525
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: really into it. But at the same time, then there's

526
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: like this next level that I have, where like which

527
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Speaker 1: I have I think with golf a little bit like

528
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: where I buy like a thing or an outfit, but

529
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: I haven't earned it yet so I can't so it

530
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: hangs in the closet or the club, like I you're

531
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: not there, You're not good enough, Like if you go

532
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: out there and do this thing, you're actually not good enough,

533
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: so you can't have it yet and you'll earn that

534
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: so you're oh, yeah, totally. But but with tennis, I

535
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Speaker 1: feel like I've come to another point where I'm kind

536
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Speaker 1: of like, I think it's much cooler to just show

537
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: up with like two rackets and that's it, Like that's

538
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: got The guy is scary to me, Like the guy

539
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: that has the full bag and all that. I'm like, yeah,

540
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: you're probably good and whatever. But the guy that like

541
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Speaker 1: kind of doesn't care and shows up at the park

542
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: with like just two rackets, like not you know, I'm like,

543
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Speaker 1: this might be like a little terrifying.

544
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Speaker 2: So in other words, as an Australian, we would say

545
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Speaker 2: that you would be the least wanker.

546
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Speaker 1: Least winker. Okay, maybe the first time I've been described You're.

547
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: Not the guy that turns up with the like perfect

548
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: looking bag, clothes and the shoes that match. Who's not

549
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: very good? He's the wanker.

550
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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time. I spent a lot

551
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Speaker 1: of time in Australian Oh no, no, yeah, I'm sure that

552
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: as well. Honestly, this is probably the first time I've

553
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Speaker 1: been described as the least wanker in the group, which

554
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: is good. I spent a lot of time in Australia.

555
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Speaker 1: I really really enjoy Australia.

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I just got back from there and it's

557
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Speaker 2: pretty much COVID free and you and I are sitting

558
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: outside doing the podcast.

559
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: Right, but would probably be fine too. But it's just

560
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: like I don't know. Then I'd have to go get tested.

561
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: You'd have to go get test.

562
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Speaker 2: Well, I got I've been tested twice in the last

563
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Speaker 2: five days, just so you know I'm negative. So if

564
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Speaker 2: I've turned positive, it's.

565
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Speaker 1: Negative as well. So like we turn positive, it's like

566
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Speaker 1: in the couch couse we.

567
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: Can make out. So I read the weirdest thing today

568
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 2: about you is that your parents worked for Biden and

569
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: that's how they met. Yes, and that is the craziest thing.

570
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a tennis court in the White House, so.

571
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, actually that would be so sick. Yeah, my

572
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: my my bandmates and whatever, like they're like when you

573
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: when are we gonna go to the White I'm like, dude,

574
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Speaker 1: we're like in a pandemic, you know. I mean like

575
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Speaker 1: this is like I don't I think we're like very

576
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Speaker 1: low on the list right now.

577
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know there's a tennis court.

578
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Speaker 1: I would love to play. That would be I have

579
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a thing where I love to

580
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Speaker 1: find like odd tennis courts and whatever, like I know

581
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Speaker 1: there's one, is there one in.

582
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Speaker 2: There's one I don't know if I should really tell

583
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: you this. And it's one in the Senate Building in

584
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Speaker 2: d C.

585
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Speaker 1: Oh really so yeah wow, No, I was gonna say,

586
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Speaker 1: there's one in what train station in New York? Oh

587
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, So like finding and

588
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: there's this one.

589
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Speaker 2: There's one in the U N Plaza hotel as well,

590
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: on the top floor because when we finals in New York,

591
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Speaker 2: that's what we used to practice. We don't stay in

592
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Speaker 2: that same hotel. There are what do you here? I mean,

593
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: maybe I shouldn't.

594
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, Like the guys that already know, like

595
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: they already take pictures at the park that I go to,

596
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: which I play there most of the time. But Covid

597
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: has made it a little crazy in a good way,

598
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: probably for people who are for Racket magazine and for

599
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: people who sell tennis rackets. Because everybody wants to play

600
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to play tennis, everyone wants to play golf,

601
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. You just got to find the

602
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: way to keep them going past that. So that's busy

603
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: a lot. So I yeah, I play in the valley

604
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: kind of everywhere. I play at people's houses, I play,

605
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like a kind of a bit of it,

606
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: like tennis rat I'll just you know, if someone says,

607
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: like we need a fourth, I'm like great, I'm like

608
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm in my head. I'm always in the car all

609
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: the way there. I'm like, I hope they're not like

610
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: way better or way worse than me. That's like my

611
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: ladder is like I'm like, let's keep my ladder is

612
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: very small.

613
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, you do always like totally like say, because

614
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: I always tell this to people, if you ever go

615
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: and play a sport or do anything like say, oh,

616
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm I'm about this, but you're actually a little bit better,

617
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: but you always go low or do you like what

618
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: would you say, like four five five?

619
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Speaker 1: What do you know? I'm not any no, no, no, no, I

620
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: would think that I'm a three five. I think probably

621
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Speaker 1: I don't. Actually, yeah, I do think that you got

622
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: to undersell over deliver whatever that saying is. And I

623
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: also think that like I play with like a lot

624
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: of people that I'm like this guy, if I saw

625
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: this guy just walking around, I'd be like, this guy

626
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: is slovy, he is not good and he's and I'm

627
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: like this guy's actually like a trained assassin, Like he's

628
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: like Yeah, he's in like Continental the whole time. But

629
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: like good luck, you know what I mean, Like good

630
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: luck like getting to be like not hit something back.

631
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: He's the best. Who's the best slib player that you

632
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: play with?

633
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I've played with a lot of people that people probably

634
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 1: don't know play tennis, and some of them are probably not.

635
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: Don't really want people to know why. I don't know

636
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: if everybody does. You know who's really good?

637
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Plan?

638
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: Right?

639
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: This is our plan?

640
00:28:59,480 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: What is the plan?

641
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: Our plant? Well, not only play at the White House,

642
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: but our plan is to make tennis cool? Like how

643
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: do we make tennis cool? Right? I mean I mean,

644
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: you gotta let I don't want to blow your tires up,

645
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: but it's pretty freaking cool that you love tennis. Who

646
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: would have thought some guy who's in a freaking huge,

647
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: freaking band is like obsessed with tennis. So like how

648
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: do we make it?

649
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we gotta let we gotta let curios

650
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: out a little bit, you know what I mean? I

651
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: think that they and he's gotta and he's gotta win.

652
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: We gotta have him win something, you know what I mean?

653
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: Because I think kids would think he's really cool.

654
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: They already think he's really totally it's sane. What in

655
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: Australia I was practicing. I was coaching Sam Stoza at

656
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: this tiny little college in Melbourne because we had to

657
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: separate it from the international years COVID, and there was

658
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 2: about twenty five boys, probably around fifteen sixteen that turned up.

659
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: They must have been at the school. They came and

660
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: they started chanting his name on the side of the

661
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: court and every time we want a point, they would

662
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 2: go bonkers. And I thought to myself, this is what

663
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: people don't to stand. As much as he can be

664
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: a disaster at times, and there is he will agree

665
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: his attitude is not good sometimes on the tennis court,

666
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: but this guy brings the young.

667
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the hutzbur How do we make tennis cool? Yeah?

668
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean I think that that helps. I remember I

669
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: watched this video that's similar of it's it's Agacy playing

670
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: in the nineties on a practice court and there's a

671
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: bunch of kids watching him and it was cool because

672
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: he was so real with the kids. The kids were

673
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: like the kids. One of the kids is like, whoa

674
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: you killed that serve or like that's He's like yeah

675
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: in practice, And I was like that's pretty cool, you

676
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because that's probably like a little

677
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: real you know what I mean or whatever. So who

678
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: do I think that that I play with that is

679
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: a celebrity that Jeff Probes, who Survivor is very good.

680
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, he's very good. Yeah.

681
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. We play doubles sometimes and he's very good. He's

682
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: also very competitive. Trying to think of who else.

683
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: Is, Well, there's a couple of people here in LA

684
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: that Kevin McKidd. I don't know if Kevin from Gray's Anatomy.

685
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: He loves to play. He plays in Crisi's event. I

686
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: get to meet a lot of celebs during Chris Everton.

687
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: So there's a few that come out there that love it.

688
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: They love it and they live in LA. And so

689
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: we've got that's the strategy of how do we grow tennis.

690
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: And I think during the pandemic it certainly helped because,

691
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: as you said, golf and tennis was sort of.

692
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and I think getting people like like I

693
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: think people get freaked out by things that they sports

694
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: that they envision being something that they're not or envisioned

695
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: being like this country club thing, and like making it

696
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: more like the everyman and I think that like letting

697
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: people dress cool, making more cool clothes. I thought it

698
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: was really cool when Pharrell did the US Open gear

699
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and some of the Prince New Prince collabs have been

700
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: really cool. Like I think like being open to that,

701
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, like let's let Dennis Sheper let him rap,

702
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, if he's gonna rap,

703
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: let him rap. I think that. But I think that

704
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: like letting people know that like whatever your entry level

705
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: is is cool, Like you should come out and have fun.

706
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: You should play vacation tennis. You should you know, like see,

707
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think like like my girlfriend plays tennisse

708
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: and she didn't grow up playing competitive sports really and

709
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: she there was something about like after she got into

710
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: it and watched it and played it and then like

711
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: she then the bug got in her. And you gotta

712
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: like let that happen to people. And I think too

713
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: often people are like, oh, I can't do it, or

714
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be made fun of, or like I can't

715
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: like there's no entry level for me into it, and

716
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: and and there really should be, you know what I mean.

717
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Like I think that like I get it because like

718
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: not everyone has a tennis court. I don't have a

719
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: tennis court, like, but like you could go to the

720
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: park can play, And.

721
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: I mean that should be the next move.

722
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: I know. It's like I've actually done the math. It's

723
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: not possible mhm. Letting people experiment and and and I

724
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: think that like having these young rad players like you know,

725
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: like I guess Sarene is not you know, young in

726
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the sports world anymore. But I think she's rad, you

727
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think she's like really cool.

728
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: And I think it empowered a bunch of people who

729
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: didn't think that they maybe who hadn't thought about tennis

730
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: to like play tennis, which is awesome. And I think

731
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: like embracing more of that, you know.

732
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: In embracing what we don't figure and see as like

733
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: the normal tennis.

734
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Totally or like the past tennis player, you know. I

735
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: think that it's I think that that's cool.

736
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: Well, I have to tell you that I know Venus

737
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: is a huge.

738
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 1: Fan of full that boy, so that's cool. I did.

739
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: I did text Serena before this, and I was like,

740
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: is it you as a Bee that's a big fan,

741
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: because it's it's I like him that she is b

742
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: that's really cool. But I think that that's something that

743
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: we should look into as a tennis environment.

744
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: So Serena said, like, I knew that this podcast interview

745
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: is hot. I told her that because.

746
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to know.

747
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: So I wanted her.

748
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: Because I knew I was like that.

749
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: So maybe so like maybe she had a thought about

750
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: that today for the second, that's cool, she thought about

751
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: that's cool for one second.

752
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you're you're not alone in your love and

753
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: totally you know, but it's funny because tennis players or

754
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: athletes always want to be like entertainers and singers and

755
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: singers and actors always want to be athletes. It's just

756
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: this random thing totally. That's why I asked you, like

757
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: as a kid, like if you could go back and

758
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, change something.

759
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: I'd loved you if I could, you know what I mean,

760
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: like maybe this is my own, this is my okay,

761
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: so here's how we do it, right. I didn't really

762
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: think about it, but we could do it. This is

763
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: how we can all right, we're gonna do if we're

764
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: taking the time machine, if we're taking the time machine back,

765
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: I think we got to put the racket in my

766
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: left hand. We've got to be in the dolls. Uncle,

767
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we got to go and

768
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: that's what we gotta do, and we gotta just like

769
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: ruin my life for like five years. But like maybe,

770
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I'm a lefty top spin grinder and

771
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know it. And I didn't know I had

772
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: that in my life. You know, you didn't have the

773
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: high right Okay, yeah, yeah, I got that, so we don't. Yeah,

774
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: don't have that, don't have the the the left hand skills.

775
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: It's like five three, he's big, he's big, and do it. Huh.

776
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: I didn't know the tennis play.

777
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: Oh okay.

778
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: I was like saying, he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no,

779
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of tennis places. One guy towards me,

780
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: he's like literally like five three.

781
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: I think there's maybe so, But where where it really

782
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: has to hurt you is the serve right, that's end

783
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: of and if you have to take a high back

784
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: end return.

785
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you have a one hand out, you're

786
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: in trouble. But there's a lot of players that have

787
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: one hands that are not that tall. But you know whatever.

788
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: One thing I also read about you, and I find

789
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: it so in because when I played, I was a maniac,

790
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: like I had some temper issues and yell at the

791
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: umpire every thing. Right, So I got into like meditation

792
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: over the last few years, and I read that you

793
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: sort of you meditate as well, just to deal with

794
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: like the craziness in you. And I think that that's

795
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: an untapped market in every.

796
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: Aspect of oh yeah, whether it.

797
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: Be entertainment or athletics or you know, especially high performance

798
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: stuff and being in the moment, Like, how much did

799
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: that help you going through some lifetime?

800
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's been really really helpful, And I

801
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: do think I agree with you. I think it's very untapped,

802
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: and I think that it's like could be for almost

803
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: every person. Like if you just did like five or

804
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: ten minutes a day, it would probably change your life

805
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: in some way. I would guess. Yeah, it's super helpful.

806
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because some muscle memory is such an

807
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: interesting thing. So because when I'm on stage with the band,

808
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: I can be I can like kind of go into

809
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: another thought and be pretty great. Yeah, not full on grade,

810
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: full on grade. I have to be like locked in you,

811
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: like I mean the moment and tennis, I can't even

812
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: be pretty great if I go somewhere else in my brain,

813
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: I lose it, you know what I mean, all of

814
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, oh my god, what am I do?

815
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Like I'm I don't have enough muscle memory. I don't

816
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: have enough of the hours like where I can't I

817
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: can't do it, you know what I mean.

818
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: But like you know, if you're on stage and something

819
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: happens where I don't know, cord doesn't work or your

820
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: guitar breaks or somebody.

821
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: It's all good, you know, you just you just it's

822
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: all good. I can like it's not a yeah, it's

823
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: all good. But like yeah, tennis like ooh, or like

824
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: tennis playing in front of people, I'm like, oh, I

825
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: have no interest in that.

826
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, yeah, it's it's stressful. No, But that's the

827
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: same thing, right, it's muscle memory. It's doing something for

828
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: so long. It's the same with me, like going out

829
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: and playing And when I was playing professionally, i'd go

830
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: out in front of it. It would be it wasn't

831
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: a packstadium. Sometimes it was quarta three people. But there

832
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: were times that I did go out in front of

833
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: a pack stadium and I was like, I'm prepared. I

834
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: didn't stress about it. But then if I'm not prepared,

835
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: like now, if I go and play like exhibitions or

836
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: charity events, I'm like shitting myself and I'm like, what

837
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: the hell is my problem? No one expects me to

838
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: be good? Right, Like do you feel like that's the

839
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: same way in preparing to go on stage. I mean

840
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: it's been a while. Oh it's I mean the pandemic.

841
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: How's that affected?

842
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: So our tour in Australia got canceled? Yeah, and the

843
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: rest of it. I mean it's just like hangs in

844
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: the balance kind of as far as we haven't made

845
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: any music really, which I kind of like, I think

846
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, I just like was like I'm gonna

847
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: dive like head on into things that I'm like kind

848
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: of was interested in. But like let's just like see

849
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: if you really like it. Like got deeper into playing piano,

850
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: way more into golf, kept like my tennis going. You know,

851
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: like just like try to like dive into things that

852
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: I thought would like help my mind and help my

853
00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: spirit and like yeah, but as far as like the band,

854
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: there's enough muscle memory there that I think we can

855
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: always play a show. But like the first one, sometimes

856
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: there's sometimes when we were in the middle of a

857
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: song we have rehearsed in forever and we're like, whoa,

858
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: this is getting weird, Like where are we at? You

859
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But it's okay because you can

860
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: like and I'm sure because yeah, and but I'm also

861
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: sure that you can do like this on that like

862
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: what we were just talking about, like how you would

863
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: be on the tennis court. It's like I can like

864
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: fux it, like I can figure it out enough, you

865
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's not gonna feel that weird,

866
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I feel like it

867
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: would be cool if my tennis was like that, like

868
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: if like it starts to go sideways and I'm just like, nah,

869
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: I can just like like I remember watching this with

870
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: the Federer match that we were at in Indian Well,

871
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: so it's really windy. He's playing a kid. I can't

872
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: remember who he's playing. We could look it up or whatever,

873
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: but he's playing a kid. The kid is like kind

874
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: of like beating him up a little bit, and then

875
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you just saw like it changed.

876
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: It was like Federer starts hitting like only neutral balls

877
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: like in the wind, playing like he stops hit trying

878
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: to hit winners that oh I took I took as

879
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: much off as I could. I think that I must

880
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: have heard a postgame interview, you know or whatever. But

881
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: like but all of a sudden, it was like, oh

882
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: my god, am I going to beat Federer? You know

883
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: what I mean? And like that when you could see

884
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: that in the guy's mind, like you can't, like this

885
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: guy's probably like a hero or probably you know whatever,

886
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: he's like Federer and like he's done and Veederer on

887
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: the other side has done this like whatever ten thousand times.

888
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: N fell apart, he like got tight and it got weird,

889
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: and Federer just kind of played easy breezy.

890
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. That is the one thing about what

891
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: being great is about is that you don't panic in

892
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: those moments and you get to a point where you're like, Okay,

893
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: I know this kid thinks that he could possibly win there,

894
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: so right there and there I have him right because

895
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: and then he's such a great I mean loser because

896
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: if he gets beaten, it's usually because the guys just

897
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: played better than him, you know, and things like that.

898
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: So there's there's no apprehension like for you, like getting

899
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: back on stage and being together again as a group,

900
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: and if it happens godding like with the pandemic being over.

901
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys just like riding a bike.

902
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit Like every show, right before

903
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: we go on stage, I'm always like, I think this

904
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: might be the one where nobody cares. I don't know why,

905
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: but like that's the moment. That's what I feel kind

906
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: of like, right before we go on I'm like, maybe

907
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: this is the one where they just like And that

908
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: must be like some psychological thing in my head or whatever,

909
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it's like riding a bike a

910
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: little bit. And we've been doing it, the four of

911
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: us for so long that it's like in that way.

912
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: Don't worry, he's not coughing at my direction.

913
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I turned away. I turned I turned to my side.

914
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: No, I just I find it so fascinating because I

915
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: love to hear why and what gets people like into

916
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: their lives, and I just think you you find a

917
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: passion like with me with Tennis, it was I felt

918
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: and it's funny that you say about you just have

919
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: that moment of that magic. And for me, I remember

920
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 2: practicing my serve as a kid, right, And I remember

921
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: the coach put down like a you know, like a

922
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: tennis ball cover and said, okay, you got to hit

923
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: those rockers, right, And I remember thinking to myself, well

924
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: that's really easy. I can do that. And I think

925
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: that's the moment that yeah, totally where you're like, oh

926
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 2: I've I've got something, Yeah, like I have a connection here.

927
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

928
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: And so like with music for you, was it just like, yeah,

929
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: this is my thing.

930
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't think it ever. I think that it was

931
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: like a really slow build, like I just did it,

932
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: and we did it because we loved it, and then

933
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: like it started building, yeah, and it started building, but

934
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: like we didn't like. The interesting thing about I guess

935
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: art that's different than sports is like there's not really

936
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: like the tennis ball cover, you know, like you there's

937
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: less of like these targets of like if you win this,

938
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: you've you know, like so like or like you're not

939
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: really like you're ranked, but you're not really ranked, you

940
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like it's interesting because

941
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: it's like less competitive but somehow like more competitive at times,

942
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: you know or whatever.

943
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Well it's subjective.

944
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's weird. Think Yeah, totally. So someone

945
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: could be like, like, it's interesting because like you could

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: we could really really debate greatest players, especially if we

947
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: have certain markers of like what like this is what

948
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: makes you the greatest player? Like if it's just like

949
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: grand slam wins in like open era or whatever, like

950
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: there's you could just be like this person is has

951
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: the most of those. So it's harder to do that

952
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: with art, like like this guy's painting soul for the

953
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: most I don't know, like or like this person has

954
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: the most Grammy's like I don't like, you know, like

955
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: harder to harder to say.

956
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: Have you ever come across like bands or an individual

957
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 2: scene whe're like a man, why why isn't this person huge?

958
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: Yes, totally, And usually they're not no longer a singer.

959
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: Usually now they're producing, an engineer, a producer, they are

960
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: a roadie for a band. And it's kind of sad

961
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: to me, but I think that like, for the most part,

962
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: we find the universe is open to the things that

963
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: we want to do, and they've found something else. And yeah,

964
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: because like so much of doing anything that's difficult is

965
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: like it's really difficult. You got to make it look easy.

966
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Even though it's difficult, like you know what I mean,

967
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Like like Michael Jordan being Michael Jordan was like super

968
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: like difficult, you know what I mean. But like, yeah,

969
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: I just don't think and like I think that like,

970
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: like to me, Nadal is a great version of this

971
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: because because he is a grinder, I'm like, like, every

972
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: point is not easy, you know what I mean.

973
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: And have you ever seen in practice?

974
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: No?

975
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well on video on YouTube, but not really yeah, yeah, you.

976
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: Know, you go and watch him practice. But the thing

977
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: that's I think would be tough for me in your

978
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: industry is that if I have a talent and I

979
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: work really hard, like I do three four hours a

980
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: day on the court, and I get in the gym

981
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: and I do everything right and mentally I'm there and

982
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: I do the work for that, I'm going to be good.

983
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: Right.

984
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: You just know you're going to be good if you

985
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: have the talent, you have the resources, and you get

986
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: the brakes right, you are going to be good. But

987
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: in your industry you could because I've got a couple

988
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: of friends in the industry and I'm thinking, why the

989
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: fuck is this person not selling five Grammys? Right? You know,

990
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: getting five Grammars or something. But you got to get

991
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: the brakes. You got to meet the right people. You've

992
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: got to find the right agent or manager or you know.

993
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: But I think that the interesting thing, and this is

994
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: what's similar to this is what's similar to tennis to me, honestly,

995
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: is that and a similar to any sport to me

996
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: is that when it's your time at the plate, you

997
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: have to be ready to hit the home run. So like,

998
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: what the top hundred could beat the top ten any

999
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: given day, maybe, yeah, maybe, but like when you play,

1000
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: you have to be ready, Like you have to be

1001
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: like I can beat like I like, this is the

1002
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: day where I could win this, you know what I mean?

1003
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: And like that's hard. It's hard to like when it's

1004
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: your time or like when you have that moment, it's

1005
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: hard to not like fumble the ball, you know what

1006
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean. And I think about that like in like

1007
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: in life in general, like in your friendships and your whatever.

1008
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: It is like when you have the when you have

1009
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: the chance, you still have to deliver, you know what

1010
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean?

1011
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: So was there well, so then backing up to you guys,

1012
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: when you had your success, was there a time where

1013
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: that happened where you were like, all right, here's the ball.

1014
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: Sure, And there was like moments. But more than that,

1015
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: there were moments for us where we had like probably

1016
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: like a bit of like a curios like agacy, like

1017
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: someone is telling you that you need to be like

1018
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: on this path and you don't think you need to

1019
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: be on this path, but you still need to be

1020
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: on the path to victory. You need to be on

1021
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: a path, you know, I mean, And or you can

1022
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: choose to go on their path, and we always chose

1023
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: to go on our own path. But like I think

1024
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: when you do choose to do that, or you you

1025
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: have the the blonde wig or hair or whatever, it is,

1026
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: like you you had to have the winds to back it,

1027
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: like at a certain point you have to be able

1028
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: to you know, put up or shut up or whatever,

1029
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and so I think

1030
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: we had moments kind of like that. Definitely.

1031
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I just find that so fascinating. I think

1032
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: that's what would be hard in your industry, is that

1033
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: oh my god, you've just got it.

1034
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: And there's so many like bands and there's so many

1035
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: actors where I'm like, I don't know why this person's

1036
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: not bigger, but then like lots of times people end

1037
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: up bigger or people end up being big songwriters or

1038
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I'm like, oh, that

1039
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: makes sense.

1040
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: So going forward, Tennis is would you say it's the

1041
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: most like outside of obviously your band and your music

1042
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: and all that, like you biggest passion, it's golf a

1043
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: little bit. I actually see a little sunscreen I did.

1044
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: This is actually from tennis. This sunscreen is from tennis,

1045
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: not from golf. Golf is an interesting thing. So I

1046
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: have three kids, so golf is a like you play golf,

1047
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: I guess right. Read that is that it takes so

1048
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: fuck Like talk about a thing that like needs to

1049
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: update some of their stuff is like it takes so

1050
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: fucking long. Like my kids are like, wait, where are

1051
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: you still my dad? You know, I'm like so and

1052
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: and the thing that about golf that's maddening is like

1053
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: it takes that long. And sometimes you're like not any

1054
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: better at all, And I'm like, you know, with tennis,

1055
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: there's like these real results to me or like with tennis,

1056
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: at least now I can be like I know why

1057
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: that happened. With golf sometimes like the right thing happens

1058
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: is the wrong thing happen. I have no idea. I'm

1059
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: like why, And then like that, you get that one

1060
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: shot like where the ball compresses perfectly and it goes

1061
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: dead straight and far, and you're like, you know, I

1062
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: love this sport, like this is my favorite sport and

1063
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: you're like the second Ago. I wanted to kill myself,

1064
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't like a second ago.

1065
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: I wanted to driving to be in the right.

1066
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: It's like maddening, that is true. I actually played a

1067
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: lot of tennis in Australia.

1068
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: Where was your favorite place to play?

1069
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: So when I went we were on tour in Australia.

1070
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: Maybe what you want to play?

1071
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: The Red Arena?

1072
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, oh it's cool, super cool. I actually think

1073
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: we might have played like the thing next. I don't remember, no, maybe, yeah,

1074
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember.

1075
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: But was it like high Sense? There was I don't

1076
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: remember at the tennis center.

1077
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: I think it was in the Tennis Center with the

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00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: Rod Labors in Melbourne, right, yeah, yeah, so we were outdoor.

1079
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: We've done both, honestly done. Like but someone on the

1080
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: someone who was on the the Aussie side of the

1081
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 1: touring production knew somebody in the Australian Open or something.

1082
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: They connected me and so I like played on the

1083
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: court where where Federal warmed up and I played with

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00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: a couple of like pro women, and it was really

1085
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: interesting for me, Like this was like this was like

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00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: my my real like so like I work with the

1087
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: coach and I watched on TV and I gone to

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00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: anyone else, but this was like the real moments where

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00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: I was like, hmm, Like first of all, like everyone

1090
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: was like or not everyone. A bunch of people have

1091
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: told me like like women don't hit as much top,

1092
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: like women don't you know, well what the fuck? Like

1093
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: this was like like that was not the case, you

1094
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or like maybe they're like top

1095
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: is being compared to somebody like Liken a doll or something.

1096
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: But I was like and it was like and it

1097
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: was also the moment because it was my first time

1098
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: playing stadium like, so I was like, I'll just be

1099
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: able to run shit down. The ball is has so

1100
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: much more top than anybody I play, and it's going

1101
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: so much faster. I can't run it down. Like there's

1102
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: all this space, but I still can't run it down. Yeah,

1103
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: and then I took I can't, So this is so

1104
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: fucked up because I can't remember who I played with,

1105
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: but I I was. She was like, I'll hit you

1106
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: one real serve, so even like some crazy like body

1107
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: serve on the tea or whatever. And I was just

1108
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: trying to get out of the way, like I like

1109
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: literally like no ship, like you know what I mean,

1110
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Like it was like no chance of returning it. And

1111
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I just hope I don't get hit

1112
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: by this.

1113
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: And I wish I knew who it was now. I mean,

1114
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: you might might remembered I work with Sam Stoza now

1115
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: and she like literally is probably the one player that

1116
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: has more top spin on her forehand and has the

1117
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: best was this was.

1118
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: This was like a this was a moment where I

1119
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: was like, we need to like readdress this, like whoever

1120
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: mentioned this to me? Because that was definitely not the case.

1121
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: I would say across the board, it is true that

1122
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 2: women don't hit the ball with as much top spin

1123
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 2: as the man because you know, as a kid, women

1124
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: aren't quite as strong in the forearm, so they develop

1125
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: a little bit flatter the ball than guys do, particularly

1126
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: on the backhands, but well more so on the forehand.

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00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: But but guys are just that a little bit stronger

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00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: but if you hit I.

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Speaker 1: Would get it.

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00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1131
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was not I was like, I don't know,

1132
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: we gotta like, we gotta have this conversation again, but

1133
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: it was. It was It was super cool. And then

1134
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I played. We went on tour. We were in Germany

1135
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: and I played on some red clay, which was nice,

1136
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: probably like the coolest to me because I'm already trying

1137
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: to like slide into ship and my coach is like,

1138
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: stop fucking sliding in. You're not a kid. This is

1139
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, And like there it

1140
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: was really cool.

1141
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: It was clay.

1142
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: It was so cool and I like love spin and

1143
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: I love so like it was really fun.

1144
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: Well, well, if you ever get a chance to play

1145
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: in Paris, you haven't played on clay like perfect clay

1146
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: until you've hit the courts there, because it's just totally

1147
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: just heaven. But I I anyway, we're kind of getting

1148
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: to there and everything, but it's so fun because this

1149
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: is tennis needs to look at people like you and

1150
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: the sport in general, and we got to get it

1151
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: to the masses more of cool people, you know, and

1152
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: like stop ignoring the the the outskirts of you know,

1153
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: the country club lifestyle. Totally, you know, and go and

1154
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: find the kids that have the fucked up nick curios attitudes.

1155
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: And make it cool, interesting fun.

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00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: Maybe we can have like a you know, it's the

1157
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: one thing that Tennis Australia does. At the Australian Open,

1158
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: they're constantly having music every day they're playing. They have

1159
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: people there and then people go to tennis and then

1160
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 2: they go to music. And I think we can work

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00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Tennis can work with you know, music in a better

1162
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: way to make it.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen the US Open where it's

1164
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: like the before the US Open they do like some

1165
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: music and then like and I remember seeing like Federal

1166
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: out and like Jordan's playing, and I'm like, but why

1167
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: don't we do this like dring it because it would

1168
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: be so cool.

1169
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: Your agent right now, like, let's let's get you to

1170
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: the US.

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Speaker 1: After you give me my one handed backhand, we're gonna go.

1172
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 2: I'll play on it after after stadium. It's a deal.

1173
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: We'll get it done. I think that's about all we got.

1174
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you like love tennis so much. Yeah,

1175
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna keep going. I'm gonna get you that one

1176
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: you tell your coach slice sliding get the kicks, and

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00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: when I turn this machine up, I'm going to find

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00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: out who really too the best.

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Speaker 1: To the player that you.

1180
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: Thanks Matt, and that's it for this episode of the

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Speaker 3: Racket Magazine podcast.

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00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs.

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Speaker 4: Our co host and producer is me Kaitlin Thompson. Music

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00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,400
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00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,320
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00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,520
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