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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. As horror unfolds across the

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Speaker 1: oceans and Israel, Americans are suffering. We see accounts on TV,

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Speaker 1: we hear them, but what's really happening. Joining me right

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Speaker 1: now is Gabriel Glixman, who knows only too well exactly

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Speaker 1: what is happening seemingly across the world with me, Gabriel

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Speaker 1: Glixman and my friend and colleague, Daniel Horowitz. Gabriel, what

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Speaker 1: have you learned? And how.

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Speaker 2: It's Hi?

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: And on the night of Friday, I was on my

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Speaker 2: way to just you know, just another ordinary night. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to take a shower and getting ready to go

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Speaker 2: to bed, and I get another phone call. It's been

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Speaker 2: going on for many years, these phone calls from friends.

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Speaker 2: Hey is your mom? Okay, your parents? Okay, everybody? Okay,

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Speaker 2: what's going on over there? Rockets are being launched again?

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Speaker 1: So your mother is in Israel.

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Speaker 2: He's in Israel. He lives on a keyboot about about

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Speaker 2: a mile a mile and a half of gather.

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Speaker 1: You know, Gabriel, A lot of people read the word keyboots,

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Speaker 1: but they don't understand what that is.

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Speaker 2: Explain, Okay, kyboots is a collective village. You can look

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Speaker 2: at it as a farm agricultural community. They came.

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Speaker 3: In order to rebuild Israel as fast as possible, make

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Speaker 3: it prosper you know, so for people to come and

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Speaker 3: get together and rebuild.

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Speaker 2: The country from nothing to where it is today seventy

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Speaker 2: something years now.

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Speaker 1: So there and there are many many key boots. They

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Speaker 1: are like farming communities. It's a collective. As you say,

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Speaker 1: people from America often travel to Israel to live on incuboots,

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Speaker 1: to live a certain period of time, and then return

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Speaker 1: to America. And that is where your mom is correct,

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Speaker 1: that's correct, yes, So what happened on that phone call?

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Speaker 2: So I call my mom and as usual, we're on

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Speaker 2: a video chat. You know, it's always nice to see

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Speaker 2: a familiar face. And I find her in the shelter,

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Speaker 2: pretty scared. As usual, those rounds come and running to

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Speaker 2: the shelter. Sometimes you don't have enough time. My mom

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Speaker 2: is eighty one years old, and it's pretty a frightening incident.

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Speaker 2: You just run to the shelter and you hunk her

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Speaker 2: down and you just wait till it goes away.

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Speaker 1: What is the shelter? What is the shelter? Like?

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Speaker 2: So a shelter. The shelter actually it's above ground. It's

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Speaker 2: actually a reinforced room made out of concrete. It's just

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Speaker 2: another room that is connected to the house itself. So

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Speaker 2: you have a door, a reinforced door to go in there.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes for older people it's harder to shut the

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Speaker 2: door behind them, so they leave a little gap. I

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Speaker 2: can keep going and not telling you what where this

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Speaker 2: one led to. If you want me to, yes, please, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So we're on the phone, and really it's the first

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Speaker 2: time that I hear gunshots automatic weapon outside my mom's house.

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Speaker 2: She's telling me, can you hear that? And I can

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Speaker 2: hear it. Imagine myself helpless, can't help my mother. Before

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Speaker 2: seconds go by, she's telling me, I can hear them outside.

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Speaker 2: They are screaming Allah walk bus God is great in Arabic.

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Speaker 2: And that is really when I freak out. Tell my

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Speaker 2: not move. I tell her to put her phone on mute,

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Speaker 2: as I do myself, and I just stay there staring

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Speaker 2: So we're now being disconnected. So I text her and

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Speaker 2: a few seconds go by, another minute and then he

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Speaker 2: text me everything, Okay, I can still hear them. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: care of business. Then I text again. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I can still hear him. I think they're trying to

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Speaker 2: barge into the house, as you can tell. Getting a

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Speaker 2: little emotional here. You know, it's very frustrated to even

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Speaker 2: go through that. I text again, I hear nothing. Then

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Speaker 2: I go mom, question mark, and two hours almost go by,

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Speaker 2: and there's another mom question mark, And I look at

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Speaker 2: my wife. He's in tears, and it was a horrible night.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, let me understand it up to right now.

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Speaker 1: So you get a call, you start getting information from people,

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Speaker 1: how's your mom, how's your mom? Your mother is eighty

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Speaker 1: one years old living in Israel, that's right. And then

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Speaker 1: actually hear automatic weapons being fired, and she says that

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Speaker 1: the attackers are screaming in Arabic, God is great. Correct,

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Speaker 1: she gets into the safe room and then you start

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Speaker 4: Correct, Then what happened?

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Speaker 1: Then what happened?

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Speaker 2: So that was California times was about eleven thirty at

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Speaker 2: night on Friday, And the next time I had contact

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Speaker 2: that was about six am on Saturday mornings.

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Speaker 1: And I guess you were watching the knees the whole

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Speaker 2: I was actually just on the phone, just trying to

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Speaker 2: get in touch with my sister who lived in Tel Aviv,

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Speaker 3: She is with neighbors.

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Speaker 2: So again a few hours since, since six o'clock in

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Speaker 2: the morning here I still I just heard that she's okay.

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Speaker 2: I did not hear her voice, and she did not

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Speaker 2: at gunpoint. They took my phone, they took my tablets.

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Speaker 2: they were looting the house. They were probably taking everything

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Speaker 2: they could. And then she heard some maybe flammable or

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Speaker 2: she just had a stroke about a month ago. This

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Speaker 2: were around. He ran all the way to see my

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Speaker 2: buddy's mother's house. She was burnt in her house, and

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Speaker 2: she didn't make it. She burnt down to death. My

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Speaker 2: That's that's about as much as this story goes.

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Speaker 1: First of all, praise the Lord. Your mother jumped out

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Speaker 1: of that window and I cannot even imagine Gabriel. My

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Speaker 1: mom is ninety one, she'll be ninety two in December.

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Speaker 1: She can barely stand up straight. Crime stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace imagining her jumping out of a window after she

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Speaker 1: hears terrorists throw excellant flammable liquid into the house to

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Speaker 1: set it on fire, because that's what they were doing,

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Speaker 1: telling people to go back in and then setting their

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: And Daniel Horowitz now defense attorney, veteran defense attorney and friend,

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Speaker 1: when you have you know you've worked on arson cases.

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Speaker 1: When you have a flammable liquid, you don't die. The

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Speaker 1: victim doesn't die of smoke inhalation and just you know,

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Speaker 1: drift off to sleeps smoke. You die with a flammable

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Speaker 1: liquid and accelerant. You burn to death because it's so

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Speaker 1: fast moving, there's no time for a smoke to seep in.

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Speaker 1: You die because you burn to death. That is what's

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Speaker 1: happening to these victims.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Nancy, in forty years of practicing criminal law,

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Speaker 4: I have never seen a criminal act with the cruelty

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Speaker 4: that you just described.

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Speaker 1: Telling the Grandma eighty one and this of course, is

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Speaker 1: Gabriel's mother to go back in and go in your

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Speaker 1: hiding place and then throw accelerant in the home, and

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Speaker 1: best as they can at that age, and seeing a

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Speaker 1: to go to for refuge, burned with the neighbor friend,

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Speaker 1: the lady inside, burned alive. Gabriel Glisman with me, describing

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Speaker 1: the hell he has gone through with his mother so

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Speaker 1: far far away. Have you spoken to her? What is

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Speaker 1: her frame of mind now, Gabriel.

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Speaker 2: You know she's staying with her sister in a Tell

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Speaker 2: him that's tel Aviv who took her in. And he

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Speaker 2: wakes up at night, he has panic attacks. He's a

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Speaker 2: little better. We're trying to treat her, but I think

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Speaker 2: overall he's a very strong human being. I was telling

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Speaker 2: I'm very impressed. The will to live and survive is

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Speaker 2: beyond what we can imagine, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Daniel and Gabriel. Daniel Horowitz, high profile lawyer out

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Speaker 1: of California, and his friend Gabriel Glicksman, owner of krav

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Speaker 1: Maga extreme there in California. I'm stunned, Daniel. I'm stunned

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Speaker 1: that somehow on children having their throats slipped, dragging young

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Speaker 1: Gabriel's mother. How are people suggesting that that's okay?

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Speaker 4: I know, Nancy. I think about a school shooter coming

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Speaker 4: in shooting up the school, with the world then blame

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Speaker 4: the school for the school shooter. That's what is going

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Speaker 4: but they're so concerned about innocent lives. Again, I imagine

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Speaker 4: if someone is in the act of killing a child

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Speaker 4: and I stand in front of that person when the

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Speaker 4: police are coming, am I out of my mind? And

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Speaker 4: yet here the Israelis are saying, get out of the way.

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Speaker 4: Our people are locked up, they're being tortured, they're being terrorized,

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Speaker 4: such a disconnect between the terrorists and the human beings.

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Speaker 4: I just applaud the Israelis for their restraint and their compassion,

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Speaker 4: and I just want them to get the people home.

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Speaker 1: Daniel, You know how, I very, very studiously avoid politics.

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Speaker 1: It's not that I care about stepping on anybody's toes.

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Speaker 1: It's this. I hate politics. I think they're all lying.

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Speaker 1: I think the Democrats lie, the Republicans lie, the independence

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to the problem, the horrible,

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Speaker 1: horrible problems in the Middle East. I don't know the answer,

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Speaker 1: but I know this. This is murder. This is wrong.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that there's nothing else going wrong, but

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Speaker 1: this is wrong. And I'm having a really hard time

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Speaker 1: with Americans actually defending it.

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Speaker 2: Speak to me, I may, this is not a war

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Speaker 2: against Jews, it's not a war against Israel. This is

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Speaker 2: a war against humanity. It's twenty twenty three. For God's sake,

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Speaker 2: we need to get on the same page. It's time.

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Speaker 2: Friends who I grew up with from nearby Kibutza's are dads.

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Speaker 2: I know too many whole family wiped mother father, the

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Speaker 2: grandma and three little children were murdered in their own home.

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Speaker 2: My very best friend and whose mother died in that

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Speaker 2: The people of Gaza we have nothing, zero, absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: Gabriel. Glexman, you're so right. Truer words we're never spoken.

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Speaker 1: What I know right now is that people have been murdered,

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Speaker 1: horribly innocent people, babies, young women being dragged away from

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Speaker 1: Many people actually don't believe this is happening. It's happening, Gabriel.

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Speaker 1: It's happening, and now the only question is what are

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Speaker 1: your mother is alive, and I pray for peace and

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Speaker 1: the most. Gabriel, thank you for being with us. Daniel,

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Speaker 1: of course, my longtime friend, Thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: me as always through the years, and we will continue

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Speaker 1: our prayers. Goodbye, friends,