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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Oh, I'm so sorry. I hate to start

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Speaker 1: an interview like that, but I don't know why I did.

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Speaker 1: That's it's doctor Forrest Tenant, and I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: The strange medical Saga of John F. Kennedy. And I

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Speaker 1: have no explanation why I said, William, So I won't

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Speaker 1: even pretend to know why that came out of my mouth.

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Speaker 1: I've been reading the book, loved the book, almost finished

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Speaker 1: the book, and so I'm so grateful that you came

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Speaker 1: on Coast to Coast to talk about the Strange medical

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Speaker 1: Saga of John F. Kennedy. Hello, Hi, how are you

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Speaker 1: pretty good? Quite well? Okay, great ahead. I heard your

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Speaker 1: introductions and it was quite good and quite quite accur

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I could add, joy, Well, I

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Speaker 1: know what you're going to add to it, because I

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Speaker 1: got a million questions. I dog eared this book more

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Speaker 1: than I dog ear most and the the part I mean,

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Speaker 1: so we know, and I'll go over your I mean,

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Speaker 1: you certainly have plenty of bona fides, and you are

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Speaker 1: an established authority on pain, and so it's interesting that

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Speaker 1: even so much of what we don't know about John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy was the real timeline of his pain that it

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Speaker 1: starts really almost you know, this was news to me. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I've read bios and they didn't

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Speaker 1: go into they didn't drill down this deep. But born

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventeen, and almost from the very beginning, the

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Speaker 1: point you make is that John F. Kennedy was born

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Speaker 1: into a life of physical pain. Yes, yes, he exactly

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Speaker 1: why he ever survived infancy and childhood is a miracle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cash was nine lives had nothing on John F. Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: No one really one are those things as you study

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Speaker 1: his case, how and why he managed to live, it's

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Speaker 1: just some sort of a miracle. And I came to

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Speaker 1: believe that his charm, his personality is vigor to live

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Speaker 1: experiences and just overcoming death one time after another. Well,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm going to sharpen it even further

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Speaker 1: and say, had he not been born into a family

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Speaker 1: of wealth, he would have died in infancy. He would

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Speaker 1: he he didn't have to die. He's lived proof of that.

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Speaker 1: But it's it is a kind of medical miracle that

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Speaker 1: he didn't well, it really is. And you know, I've

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Speaker 1: written about two other men who have written the medical

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Speaker 1: song of Howard Us and all this presently. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if they had not had access to well, let's be

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Speaker 1: none of those people would have lived very long. And

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Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy, there's no two ways about it. They

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's no question in my mind that

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Speaker 1: like he to survive scarlet fever in those days and

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Speaker 1: and it is the perfect description the strange medical saga

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Speaker 1: again for being on it. We'll get to question for

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Speaker 1: If you could list the things that John F. Kennedy

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Speaker 1: that's quite easy to do because they were all infections.

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Speaker 1: And he managed to survive the scarlet fever. And what's

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Speaker 1: this autoimmune prout. And now let me define autoimmenity real

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Speaker 1: not certain of what I mean autoimmunity. Immunity means you're

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Speaker 1: be the plague of all of humans in this century.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of anything. It's a bigger public health

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Speaker 1: and what it really is his post viral autoimmunity, meaning

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Speaker 1: years after Kennedy's birth described a condition in which autoimmunity

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Speaker 1: or destructive elements from birth started destroying glands, and Kennedy's

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Speaker 1: the big target of his autoimmune gland over disease was

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Speaker 1: his adrenal glands, but he also had his thyroid attacked

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Speaker 1: testicles or ovary can be attacked, and certainly the addre

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Speaker 1: that his adrenal glands probably were attacked and would detrior rates,

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Speaker 1: Addison's disease when he was right after World War Two,

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Speaker 1: when he was right about thirty years of age. So

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Speaker 1: between birth and age thirty, his adrenal glands slowly started

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Speaker 1: to fail. Okay, explain the role of adrenal glands in

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Speaker 1: the humanoity. Adrenal glands. First off, they were adrenal glands.

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Speaker 1: You have two of them. They're so valuable through the

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Speaker 1: body that the Good Lord gives us two and the

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Speaker 1: one sitting on top of the kidney. And they used

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Speaker 1: to be called superrenal glands, meaning on top of the kidney,

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Speaker 1: but just for short they call them adrenal glands. And

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Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty five a pathologist in Britain with the

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Speaker 1: name of Thomas Addison discovered that some people had their

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Speaker 1: adrenal glands that were eaten away and they died. Listen

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