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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's me your man, nam G.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant fully vaccinated back outside. Uh and I just

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Speaker 1: still trying to dodge the Delta variant like I was

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Speaker 1: made Neo in the matrix or something like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Another another fun show for you today. Producer

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Speaker 1: Justin is alongside. But as we continue our summer cavalcade

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Speaker 1: of guest stars, I like to bring back an old friend. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know him, you know him from this very show.

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Speaker 1: He sat in this seat. Were not this exact seat,

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Speaker 1: but you know metaphorically this seat that I sit in

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Speaker 1: now for a long time. Uh. Now he is off

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Speaker 1: and he's maybe the hardest working man in fantasy show business.

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Speaker 1: It is the one and only James co Uh. James.

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Speaker 1: Always good to have you on the show man. How

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Speaker 1: are things? Oh, they're going great. And um, I'm like

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Speaker 1: you man, I'm just trying to avoid that delta variant

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Speaker 1: and doing my thing. But like everything's cool, man, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're just we're often running. Man, Like I I feel

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Speaker 1: like I am knee deep in fantasy research now and

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Speaker 1: I'm not like one of those you know, like I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the psychos out there like makes like he like

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Speaker 1: does like rankings every week, like you like, okay, like

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Speaker 1: what why are we doing like march rankings? Like this

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Speaker 1: is craziness? But no, he's he's so hard working, you know,

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Speaker 1: and like I can appreciate that, but I gotta be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, like I am off my hustle for

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Speaker 1: like a couple of months at least, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: can we at least like like let the draft shake out,

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Speaker 1: like you know, get let me get some some you know,

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Speaker 1: pre camp reports into my veins before I start like

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Speaker 1: having takes, you know. So so yeah, I'm all, I'm

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Speaker 1: all into it now. But um but yeah, we're we're

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Speaker 1: getting close, dude. No, I'm fully with you on that,

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Speaker 1: And like I always have to sort of shaken because,

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Speaker 1: like you know, we get through the end of the

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Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. And then this year I thought, because

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Speaker 1: I've never done full disclosure, I've never actually done projections, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I you know, I look at stuff and I

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Speaker 1: done projections. So this year, I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 1: do some projections or whatever. Right. This is like back

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Speaker 1: in like March or April, and I think I just

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Speaker 1: like offhandedly mentioned it to our pal Matt Harmon and

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Speaker 1: he's like, what the hell are you doing? And I

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't I'll go back to doing what

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Speaker 1: Clay is just like is he He's a machine. He's

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Speaker 1: understand he is. He's a projections machine. You just you

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Speaker 1: you know what, we say this with all love because like,

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Speaker 1: God bless all those folks man who were doing all

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Speaker 1: not the same thing. We're not doing the word doing

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Speaker 1: things I want to talk to you about. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about some some I've been talking about positional question

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Speaker 1: You and I sort of had a cont conversation about, uh,

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Speaker 1: I just love fantasy football. I love fantasy sports. Like

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Speaker 1: I played fantasy sports starting in like n I think

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Speaker 1: I'll obviously have a lot of fun doing it, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what what sort of things do you tell them? Well?

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Speaker 1: You know, what's you know what's funny, Marcus is that

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, but we're the last of

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Speaker 1: It's going to Henderson, right, So I see I easily

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00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 1: see a world where Henderson gets like ten to fifteen

426
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: touches per game. Um, now that Malcolm Brown has gone,

427
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,399
Speaker 1: and again if cam Akers gets hurt, forget about it.

428
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,479
Speaker 1: Like Henderson is like automatically catapults not only in too

429
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: like top five, we're talking like top six or seven

430
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: fantasy running backs, you know. So, Um, I'm very interested

431
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 1: in Darryl. He He's probably my favorite. Honestly, he's probably

432
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: my favorite late round running back to target. Which is

433
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: funny because that's how I felt about him last year,

434
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 1: Like I felt like he was sort of that that

435
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: intersection he was to me. I was kind of referring

436
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: to him, and he was that in midshelf Bourbon, right,

437
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: that is sort of like the intersection of like price

438
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: and quality. Right, he was sort of that guy, and

439
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, and it's and it's funny that I haven't

440
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: gone back to the well, no pun intend that I

441
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: haven't gone back to the well again this year. Which

442
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: it makes more sense right that now that, as you mentioned,

443
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown is out of the picture and it is

444
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: essentially a two man backfield, it would it would make

445
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: a lot more sense. Um. You talked a little bit

446
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: about you know guys going you know, tenth round Alexander

447
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: Madison and where he is going right now? Um had

448
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: Bob Harris on a few weeks ago. Love talking to Bob.

449
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: And every time I talked to Bob, he always just

450
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: he always hits me with these like short phrases that

451
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: stick with me, Like you know, before a couple of

452
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: years ago, it was don't draft last year's best team.

453
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: The last time I talked to him, he hit me

454
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: with to hell with a DP, right, and and it's

455
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a sentiment I have felt

456
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: for a while, but I had never been able to

457
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: put it into words the way he did. So thanks Bob, um,

458
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: But it did make me wonder, like, is the idea

459
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: of a d P outdated? I know we all use

460
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: it to some extent, is it outdated? And if so,

461
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 1: what what should we use to replace it? Um. It's

462
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: really tough, right because, like I think the concept of

463
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: a DP is probably pretty outdated. Um. That being said,

464
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know, like fantasy football is all

465
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: about value, you know, like where are you getting value? Right?

466
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: So like, um, like I had to explain to somebody

467
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: who this is many moons ago, but like you know,

468
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: they want to take a quarterback in the first round

469
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: because quarterback score the most points. But it's like, right,

470
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 1: but it's like no, because like relative value, um and

471
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: so and then like and then that actually trickles down

472
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: into a DP two right Like um, So basically it's

473
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like, well, okay, like maybe I love

474
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: Darryl Henderson, right, but like I'm not gonna take Darrell

475
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: Henderson in the fifth round no matter how much I

476
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: love them, right, So it's all about like relative value.

477
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 1: So in a way, we kind of sort of need

478
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: a DP UM to be able to kind of sort

479
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: of talk about these players. Um. So. And again I

480
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it's outdated, UM, but I will say

481
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: this of draft maybe more um, they're gonna use the

482
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: Provider Rankings R and so like that's gonna differ greatly

483
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: than like a consensus a DP, you know what I mean,

484
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: Or it can at least especially when you get outside

485
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: like the top like seventy five you know, prosper X, Right, Like,

486
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: once you get outside the top like seventy picks, like

487
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: ADP just starts going all over the place, which I

488
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: think kind of speaks to what you guys are talking about,

489
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: which is just kind of like after the first seventy

490
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: five picks, ADP kind of is pointless. Um So you

491
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: can kind of sort of like ignore that just because

492
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: you're not a This is what ADP is used for.

493
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: ADP is used to kind of like figure out what

494
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: your league mates are gonna do, right, not necessarily what

495
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, but how you're gonna play your hand

496
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: versus what the your league mates are gonna do, right,

497
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of sort of like this general

498
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: idea of what ADP is, um But once you get

499
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 1: outside of the top seventy five picks, you just have

500
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: no freaking idea whatsoever. Um So I think, and I

501
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: think that speaks to what you guys are talking about,

502
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: which is just like to hell with ADP. But I

503
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: would say, to hell with ADP outside of the top

504
00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: seventy five. I think I think that's fair. Think, you know,

505
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: I just part of it is at some point it's

506
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: sort of becomes like a self fulfilling prophecy, right like

507
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: if if you think a guy, if you look at

508
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: a guy's a d P uh and you try to

509
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: draft him earlier, then that pushes it up if you

510
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: draft him. But it's just it's so weird, and I

511
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: know we all kind of use it as a guy.

512
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: You know, it's like as I'm just spitballing here, right,

513
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: but it's sort of like preseason rankings in college football,

514
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: right like it just sort of it's sort of sets

515
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: a tone that isn't necessarily what is going to play

516
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: out across the season, but you know, TV networks needed

517
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: because hey, we want to say that we have number

518
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: one Alabama against number three Ohio State or whatever it is,

519
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: right Like, it's it sells it's self advertising, uh, And

520
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: I feel like a DP is is sort of the

521
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: same thing. You know, you know what else ADP is

522
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: good for? Though, it's like a really good shorthand method

523
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: to tell like somebody who's not like super deep into

524
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: fantasy football, like how good a player is, you know

525
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if you tell people like, oh,

526
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's like got like a top fifteen, a DP,

527
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: top ten ADP, You're like, oh, wow, he's really really good. Um,

528
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like hand to kind of like

529
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: let people know, um, we're expect what we're expecting from

530
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: from certain players. You know. So like cam Akers right

531
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: now I think has an ADP in the top fifteen,

532
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: right Like, so people are really expecting, um, a big

533
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: season from cam Akers. Which, by the way, if you

534
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: ask a casual fan who's not a RAMS fan like that,

535
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I think that would actually surprise them significantly, you know

536
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, we've heard of Alvin Kamara,

537
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: Zeke and all these guys, but like I think the

538
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: casual fan is like not really doesn't know who the

539
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: hell cam Akers is, you know what I'm saying. So, um,

540
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: I think that's like a really good shorthand way for

541
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: somebody who maybe hasn't kept up with the game that closely.

542
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: And let's be real, like that's like I don't know,

543
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: like nine of fantasy fans anyways, is like they don't

544
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: keep up with the NFL outside of like their favorite

545
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: team and their fantasy team. Right, So if you didn't

546
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: have cam Akers last year, or you didn't go against

547
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: cam Akers on like a buzz saw game, like you're

548
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: just kind of like, who is cam Aker? It's just

549
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: a guy to me, the guy. Yeah, I do think

550
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: it's I do think it's important to remember because we are, like,

551
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, eyeball deep in this that You're right, most

552
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: people do take off from, you know, once once the

553
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: fantasy season ends in December. Most people kind of put

554
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: this away until July and August. So that's worth Um.

555
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: This year in Scott Fish Bowl, there a little bit

556
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: of a twist with the kicker option that you can

557
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: flex a kicker. Have you embraced this? Are you? Are you?

558
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: My god? Are you jumping in on this? No? No,

559
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: full disclosure, dude. Um, I'm not in SFB because I

560
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: have so many other things going on, and I feel

561
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: terrible about it because it's such a great cause and

562
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: like what Scott Fish is doing is like amazing, and

563
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: I will always give him platform. I'll I'll like retweet

564
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: a lot of his stuff, like Fantasy cares, Like oh

565
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: my gosh, like what an unbelievable organization, and like, I

566
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: can't believe what they're doing. I can't believe Scott Fish

567
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: is doing what he's doing honestly. Um, but just for

568
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: me personally, I've I felt bad because like I know

569
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: that if I'm in I've done Scott Fish in the past,

570
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: and like I'm always terrible because I never ever check

571
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: my Fantasy league like that that website, Like I just

572
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: I just never go there. Um. So by the time

573
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: I remember, oh, go to s like, go to my

574
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Fantasy leg go to MFL, It's like, oh yeah, Like

575
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: it's like Thursday. You know what I'm saying, Like I've

576
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: missed waivers, like I've missed the free agency run. Like

577
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I just I'm done, you know. So I just felt bad,

578
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: like I don't want to like just show up draft

579
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: and then peace out. You know. So what I what

580
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: I have done to sort of avoid that is that

581
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: every year I take all the different leagues I have

582
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: and I create a folder, a bookmark folder, uh like

583
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: on my browser. Uh that just that I opened the

584
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: folder and it has all the leagues. So I can

585
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: just go one down and like waivers can set lineups

586
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: because otherwise I've had that where I like, I forget

587
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: about a lead and I'm like, oh no, and it's

588
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: like we three and I'm like, you know, one and

589
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: two to like crap, you know, like somebody's hurt and

590
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about it like that exactly, all right,

591
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: So then I'll sort of shift the question. Then, how

592
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: do you feel about kickers? I know that there's the

593
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: band Kicker movement? Are you do you fall strongly one

594
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: way or another about it? I'm so strongly pro kicker,

595
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: Like it's not even funny, thank you know, it's like

596
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: it's so dumb, like this whole like and I get it,

597
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: Like look due respect, like all due respect to Jake Celio. Okay,

598
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Like that's fine, you know, but like like saying it's

599
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: random is like it is the most ridiculous, Like fantasy

600
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: football is random, bro, Like how many guys that are undrafted?

601
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: By the way, like how many eyeballs look at fantasy football?

602
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 1: How many how many smart asked people are analyzing this

603
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: game day in and day We just got done talking

604
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: about like guys like Mike Clay or whatever, Like there's

605
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: so many eyeballs, Mike tag Leary, like just like scouring

606
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: rosters and no matter what, there's always every single year

607
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: a handful of just rando guys that are not drafted

608
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: at all that make huge impacts in fantasy. And it

609
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: happens every year, guys, Like so you can't tell me that,

610
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: like that's not random. It is random, And or you

611
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: could make the arguments like, oh, well, we just haven't

612
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: dug deep enough and like I subscribe to that, and

613
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: that's fine, but it's like, come on, you know, we're

614
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: talking about like a pool of like three fifty too,

615
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: like four hundred players. We still have an uncovered a

616
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: handful of It's like what And I think kickers are

617
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: a lot like this. You know, if you could analyze

618
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: and by the way, I'm not gonna do it because

619
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't care enough, but if you could analyze like

620
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: like defensive metrics, you know, pass run rates, O line blocking,

621
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: and like melt that all down into like like touchdown

622
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: probability rates, which I'm I am positive you could do.

623
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm positive you can melt all this stuff down into

624
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: like touchdown probability rates. I'm positive, right, I mean, for

625
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: God's sakes, MG, Like we're talking about like expected points

626
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: on a second down run in the first quarter, like

627
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: the putty here you Like, That's what I don't understand.

628
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: People believe in e p A and like talk about

629
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: ep A like it's freaking god. But they will not.

630
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: But they're telling me that kickers are random. Get all

631
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: the way the hell out of here, dude, Like it's

632
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: not like we just haven't spent the time thinking about it,

633
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: that's all um. So no, I don't. But I don't

634
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: buy into that at all. And like, by the way,

635
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: I embrace the chaos, like I love the madness. Like

636
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: if if Jason Sanders is knocking down seven field goals

637
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: and I lose and or I win, it's all good, bro.

638
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm all about it. Like I don't know,

639
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't get the whole anti kicker movement. I mean,

640
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm totally with you because One, I think I agree

641
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: sort of with everything you say. One, I think if

642
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: we really, if somebody really put their mind to it

643
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: and wanted to go and dive deep analyze it, I'm

644
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: sure we could find some sort of some sort of method. Person.

645
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know our old palleto coworker, Elliott Harrison,

646
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: was you know at some point, you know, Elliott always

647
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: had a million different projects that he was working on,

648
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: but like one of the things he was like, maybe

649
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: we can figure out how to my chickers work. Um,

650
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. But the other part of it is

651
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: I do embrace the randomness. I think we need more

652
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: of it. I think we are. I think we are

653
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: trending towards. And you know, people who listen to the

654
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: show have probably heard me saved this rant multiple times.

655
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: But I think we're trending towards. Basically, people who went

656
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: to Fantasy are the ones who were best at scouting

657
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: running backs and wide receivers. Like that's it, and that's

658
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: not fun like I want to, you know, so I'll

659
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: never forget. Um jeez, I don't know. This might have

660
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: been two thousand six, two thousand seven somewhere around there.

661
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: I remember leaving a buddy's house on a Sunday afternoon

662
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: having a pretty good sized lead in my fantasy matchup.

663
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: But I remember walking out of his door and saying, Dude,

664
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: the only way I lose is if Rob Barron has

665
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: kicks like eight field goals, and I think he kicked

666
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: like seven that like it was seven Night football. I

667
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: think he kicked like seven, like after the fifth one.

668
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting text messages like hey man, you're nervous yet,

669
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, I actually I kind of am Um,

670
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, I hung out in one. But it's a

671
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: story to tell. It was fun, it added something to

672
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: the game. Uh So I'm definitely all about all about

673
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: that kicker love. I mean, and here's the thing, like

674
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: where does it end? Like Okay, outside of like Darren Waller,

675
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, Kelsey and and and and kittle, It's like, okay,

676
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: tell me a tight end that's not gonna produce, that's

677
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: gonna be that's not random. But people are starting to

678
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: trend that direction to like talking about, you know, do

679
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: we get rid of tight end or do we have

680
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: to into flexes? I mean I've heard that. I've heard

681
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: that suggestion, right, like you know, I mean, like the

682
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: thing that makes it so like irritating for me is like, okay,

683
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: so you want to simplify the game, Okay, then let's

684
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: just let's let's just do quote backs only let's well, like,

685
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: where does it end? I don't understand, you know, it's

686
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: like okay, let's just let's just do that, because like, honestly,

687
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's probably the easiest to project like quarterbacks,

688
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: like we can we we know what teams defenses are

689
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: trash that, so we know what teams need to pass

690
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: to keep up and like all those things Like I

691
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: bet you if you look at quarterback rankings, I bet

692
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: you they're scarily accurate. I bet you they are terrifyingly accurate.

693
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: And if that's the only thing we care about is

694
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: accuracy and like getting it right, then let's just do that.

695
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: Like that doesn't sound fun at all. It sounds awful, right,

696
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: So like no, I don't want to do that, Like

697
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, Like like where does it end? You know?

698
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, And I mean I guess you

699
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: could like I'm arguing against myself and you'd be like, oh,

700
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: well you should play I D p leagues in It's

701
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: like all right, well, I mean I'll let me just

702
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: draw a line in the sand somewhere, you know, just

703
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: say okay, whatever you know. But I don't know, man,

704
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand the whole anti kicker thing, man,

705
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Like they're clear really are good kickers in the NFL,

706
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, Like tell me young Way who is not

707
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: a good kicker? Tell me Jason Sanders not a good kicker.

708
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker is still getting it done. You know there's

709
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: a good ass player, Like, tell me he's not. It's ridiculous,

710
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: you know. It's like and somebody I remember something reading somebody,

711
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: so somebody say, like, oh, Justice here is clearly the

712
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: best kicker in the NFL, but he's only like the

713
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: kicker five Well, Jesus Christ, I hate to break it

714
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: to you, man, but like the best player is not

715
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: always the top scoring fantasy option every year, like sorry,

716
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: like it doesn't happen, you know, unbelievable. Oh man, I'm glad.

717
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: I feel better though, knowing that I have somebody else,

718
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: uh in my quarter on this kicker thing. So you

719
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: mentioned quarterbacks, which leads us nicely into our some some

720
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: quarterback that I have questions about that I want to

721
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on four guys here. The first one

722
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, simple question, will he or won't he? And

723
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: you and I talked about this on Tackling Dummies with

724
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: last week or two weeks ago. Um, So for a

725
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: new audience, what what what are your thoughts? What what

726
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: do you think happens with Aaron Rodgers this year? I

727
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: would love to see him actually not come back to

728
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: the Packers and like it's nothing against the Packers, Like,

729
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm not Adam Rank, like I don't like, I don't

730
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: hate green Bay, Like, you know, he's got this whole

731
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: rant where he's like green Bay people don't even say

732
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: they're from green Bay. They say they're from Chicago, and

733
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: it's like, nah, Doug, I don't the way. Yeah, it's

734
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: like all right, bro, like just just calm down anyways. No,

735
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying I'm I'm I'm not ranking it here.

736
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, um, what green Bay has done,

737
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, over the last few seasons, and it's ridiculous.

738
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: You know. It's like they're basically like, all right, Aaron,

739
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: just go and win games. You know. It's like it's

740
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: absurd to me, you know. Um. And it's like and

741
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: and green Bay fans are sitting there all ad like

742
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: saying like, well, we had a we had the number

743
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: one scoring offense. We had the number one offense, uh

744
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL. I'm like yeah, cool, Like, now

745
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: take Aaron Rodgers off of that team. Where's your offense?

746
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: Are you a top ten offense? No? You you're not

747
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: even in the top half in my in my mind,

748
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: you stick any other quarterback in there, like you stick

749
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton in that offense. They're one of the five

750
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: worst offenses in the NFL. Now, you know what that

751
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: tells you. That tells you that they have done absolutely

752
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: Jack squat to surround Aaron Rodgers with good players like

753
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones, good player, But they keep. The funny thing

754
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: about that is like they want to find ways to

755
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: not give him touching. Right, So no, no, screw that.

756
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm tired, like and like I've been I've been

757
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: talking about like I think Matt lafleur is is not

758
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: a good offensive coach. That's like there's a lot of

759
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: numbers that would say suggest that. Um and everyone's like

760
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: throwing it in my face. Oh green look at Green

761
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: Bay's offense is doing it. You know what. Go to

762
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: that playoff game and tell me, tell me Matt la

763
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: fleur is a good coach. Tell me Matt la flour

764
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: he can feel a goal down eight with two minutes

765
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: ago Tom Brady and said, tell me he's a good coach.

766
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: Like not stop it, okay, he's not. Um and like

767
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: and again like in the first round, like I'm just

768
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: thinking like, Okay, they have an opportunity to get Elijah more,

769
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: how do you not do that? Like I'm just it's

770
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: like it like makes me just upset. I'm not even

771
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: like a huge Green Bay guy, Like it just makes

772
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: me upset though, Like they clearly need a slot wide receiver.

773
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Elijah Moore is that dude, He's a bad band and like,

774
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: can you imagine football? Twitter would have lost their collective

775
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: minds if Elijah Moore landed on Green Bay. And plus

776
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: it's a good olive branch to Aaron Rodgers, like, hey man,

777
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: like I get it. We have other needs. We have

778
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: quarterback cornerback concerns. But you know what, man, Like you're

779
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: the franchise. We're gonna surround you with talent and we're

780
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: just gonna go off and running. It's a lot like

781
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: what It's a lot like what Kansas City has done

782
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: with Atrack Mahomes, which is or Tampa Bay with Tom Brady.

783
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: It's like, hey man, like you are the franchise and

784
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: we need to surround you with all these great pieces

785
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: and we will make it work everywhere else. Um, but

786
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: that's not Green Bay style. For whatever reason, they just

787
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: like keep trying to do like these patchwork jobs on defense,

788
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: it's not working. They don't have the right coaches, um,

789
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: and they're just asking Rogers to go out and win games.

790
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: So no, I hope he I hope he moves on.

791
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: I love to see him in Denver. That'd be amazing,

792
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: that'd be great. Um. You know, there's a lot of

793
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: places I'd like Aaron Rodgers in Miami right now. Boy,

794
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in Miami right now, dude, Like that's a

795
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: championship team, like done, Like it's like it's over. Like

796
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Rogers in Miami, it's over, like you know what I'm

797
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: talking about. Like you've got Davonte Parker, Jalen Wattle, will

798
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Fuller out there just just wrecking shop, like forget it,

799
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Brian Flores running the defense, Rodgers running the offense. Their

800
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: defense is great, They've got two great cornerbacks, like forget it.

801
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: Like that, it's it's a championship team period. Um. So no,

802
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: I hope he gets out of Green Bay. I hope

803
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: he like figures out some kind of way by you know,

804
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: and again, I know we talked about this on on

805
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: on on my show tackically, but like, like he needs

806
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: to do the Jalen Ramsey Doug, like he needs to

807
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: be like, Yo, my back, I don't know what it is.

808
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: My back, my back and hurting, guys. I'm gonna set

809
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: this one out, you know. And then like and then

810
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: he gets traded to Denver or whatever, and like magically,

811
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: just man, my back be feeling nice. You know, if

812
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: here we go helps the back, you know, I'm so

813
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: far above sea level now, the back is going to

814
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: be better, feeling good, you know, Like that's what he needs.

815
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: He needs to pull the Jalen Ramsey dude, like soft

816
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: tissue injuries, you know, like just and just get it going.

817
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Don't hold out, hold in, like show up exactly, get

818
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: that check, Cash that check, baby, cash that check. I

819
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: just know, looking at him on some for media, he

820
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: looks completely unbothered right now. He just doesn't seem like

821
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: he's in a hurry. He's not in a hurry to

822
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: get back to I mean, for God's sake, he's not

823
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: even cutting his hair. Let it go, Aaron, We're not

824
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: even a quarantine now, Like you don't get haircut you

825
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: But you know what he doesn't he don't care, doesn't care,

826
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: all right. Next? Next is what Carson Wentz who last year.

827
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: I was all on the Carson Wentz is gonna bounce back,

828
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, the Winz wagon will roll again. Not so much.

829
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: But now he's in Indianapolis, he's back with his old coach,

830
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: Frank Reich. Can Frank Reich resurrect the wins wagon? Uh?

831
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: I hate to say anything can happen, but I mean,

832
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: I guess anythinking that's not encouraging, I'm not I'm not

833
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: feeling it. I mean, listen to twelve games last year, Okay, um,

834
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: And you could talk about his pass catchers or whatever, Okay,

835
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: but the bottom line is he was terrible. You know,

836
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: twelve games he had twenty one touchdowns, nineteen turnovers. Um,

837
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: that's just that's so bad. Um. And not only that,

838
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: like he was like if you were to like take

839
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: his like per game averages, he was like on pace

840
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: to throw for just yards like on a full sixteen

841
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: game slate, thirty five arts, like what's like and like

842
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: there it's not like they had like a great defense,

843
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: like they had to win some shootout games. He just stunk. Um.

844
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: So like that's what was bad. You know. You know,

845
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: obviously I do a lot of work with next you

846
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: and stats, um, and and so like I was like,

847
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, looking at some quarterbacks and stuff, and like

848
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: it just Carson was just kept popping up, you know.

849
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: And it's like he had the worst passer reading against

850
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: the Bliss he had the worst rating. Went throwing to

851
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: two wide receivers. He had eight touchdowns and ten interceptions,

852
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: went throwing to wide receivers. That's not good. Um, he

853
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: had the six worst passer rating on deep passes last year.

854
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: He had a worse passer rating on deep passes last year.

855
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant, then Gardner Minshew, like that's really bad. And

856
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: and here's the one thing that I think that everyone

857
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: saw but couldn't quite articulate. But I think next gens

858
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: Stats did a really good job with this. He had

859
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: the second worst no No. He had the worst passer

860
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: rating when not facing pressure, so when he was not

861
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: under pressure, so relatively clean pocket, worst passerating in the NFL.

862
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: And again I think we kind of sort of saw that,

863
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: like he was better on the move, he actually made

864
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: some places under pressure every now and again when he

865
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: could get outside of his own head. But when he

866
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: had a clean pocket and he just had to read defenses,

867
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: he was the worst quarterback by passer rating in the

868
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: entire NFL. That is shockingly bad. Um, So can Frank

869
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Reich turn that around more than Frank Wright? Can a

870
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: sports psychologist turn this around? Because I think a lot

871
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: of the problems to me, Um, we're we're upstairs. I

872
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: don't think it was physical. Um. I just think it's

873
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: not like Cam Newton who has like physical issues. Like

874
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: for me, I think it was all upstairs. Um, And

875
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: I that's just a big question mark, man, I just

876
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: don't know. So producer Justin hit me with some stats

877
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: that he saw via Warre and Sharp, who does a

878
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: lot of great work, that it was a comparison of

879
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz with Frank Reich for a couple of seasons

880
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: in any three seasons since that he has not had

881
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: Frank Reich, and the numbers are shockingly similar, like across

882
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: the board. And I have really been basing this. I'm like, hey, look,

883
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: some of his best years came with Reich. He's back

884
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: together with him, this is where it happens. He's got

885
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: a great offensive line there in Indianapolis. Uh. And then

886
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: seeing the fact that when they were together, um, it

887
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: wasn't much better or worse it was about the same

888
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: as what we've seen these last few seasons when we

889
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: started to write him off. And so I'm rethinking my

890
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: stance here, uh, presented with new information. I mean, honestly, Marcus,

891
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of sort of just like I mean, I'm

892
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: really trying to struggle with like, like, was he ever

893
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't think he was ever great?

894
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: Like I think I think we go back he had

895
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: won a good season this season where he was in

896
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: an m VP candidate before he got hurt, and then

897
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: when Nick Foles leads the Nick Foles leads them to

898
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: a super Bowl championship, and I think we sort of

899
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: a kind of holding onto that and maybe it is

900
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: maybe it is wish casting. Maybe that was his lightning

901
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: in a bottle season, Uh, and we just didn't know

902
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: it and it's just not coming back. The thing I

903
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: would say about it is, at least you know, if

904
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: you're if you're going after him, you're not spending any

905
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: draft capital to do it, you know, Like that's that's

906
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: the upside there is that there's there's way more potential

907
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: reward than there is risk you're putting out and trying

908
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: to get Carson wentz. Yeah, I mean I don't know,

909
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: man Like, even in his best year, his second year

910
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: in in the NFL, um he just he wasn't really

911
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: that efficient. I mean still just like a six pass

912
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: or six completion rate. He was still only on pitch.

913
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: He just had unbelievable touchdowns, like he was on pace

914
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: to to to shoot for forty one touchdowns um and

915
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: and who knows how many more he would have got

916
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: on the ground. But like, man like, Okay, so like

917
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: let's say he like if he played all sixteen games,

918
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: like he would have had like I don't like, forty

919
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: five touchdowns or something. But even then, it wasn't like

920
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: he would have still only barely cracked four thousand yards. Like,

921
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: so his yardage wasn't there, his accuracy wasn't there. The

922
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: only thing that we remembered was was him just firing

923
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: off touchdowns at an incredibly high rate. And that's about it. So,

924
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: like I would contend, I don't think he's ever really

925
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: had a great season. Honestly, I think that's fair. Uh

926
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think maybe I'm just wanting

927
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: him to be more than what he actually has been,

928
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: which we're gonna be the first time I've done something

929
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: like that you mentioned Kim Newton. Um, is he actually

930
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: cooked or or can he bounce back this year? No,

931
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: he's done, man, Like I don't know, like his I

932
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: don't think his arm comes back like um, and and

933
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: and and again. Like I think if you take away

934
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: his game against Seattle that he had Week two, and

935
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: remember in that time, like Seattle was in the midst

936
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: of having like a historically bad season. Yeah, like they

937
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: were giving up like five hundred yards a game or

938
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: something like college type numbers, you know. Um, So I

939
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: think if you take that game away, um, Cam Newton

940
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: averaged just a hundred and sixty one passing yards per game. UM.

941
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: He had the ninth worst passer rating on deep passes.

942
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: He had the fourth worst passer rating UM under pressure.

943
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: He had the fourth worth passer rating throwing to wide receivers,

944
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: third worst against the Blitz. So and again those are

945
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: all numbers without the Seattle game. So he was, by

946
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: any metric bottom ten UH quarterback passing the ball. And

947
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: I know that's not totally fair because he had a

948
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: bunch of production on the ground, but I will say

949
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: this as a passer, unfortunately, he is UH. When you

950
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: look at like when you look at the numbers, When

951
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: you look at the numbers, he actually was. He was

952
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: basically Nick Mullins throwing the ball um and like you

953
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: look like similar air yards per attempt, touchdown, interception ratio,

954
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: passer rating, completion percentage, any number you really want to

955
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: look at, like he's basically Nick Mullins um as quarterback

956
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: last year. He's there is some of that there, although

957
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: I would contend like, okay, like you know, um, we're

958
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: basically riding off Nikil Harry as trash, which I don't

959
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: know if that's fair, Like who's following him the damn ball? Um?

960
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: That's one I thought Jakobe Myers look good at times too, um.

961
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: And it's still you know, Julian Edelman played was in

962
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: and out of the lineup obviously, but he was still

963
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: in the mix some of these games too. So I

964
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: don't think he just ever looked good. And quite honestly,

965
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: I think it's his shoulder, Like ever since he you know,

966
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: took that took that injury, I just think he just

967
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: hasn't been the same guy. And and quite frankly, I

968
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: don't think like the rigors of the NFL, UM, I

969
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: don't think that shoulder gets better, you know. Um, I

970
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: mean he can do what he what he can to

971
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: like rehabit and like maybe he'll look fresh for five

972
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: or six games, but ultimately, at some point, like Cam

973
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: Newton to be Cam Newton needs to run the ball

974
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: and if he and if he's running the ball, he's

975
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: gonna take hits and that exposes that shoulder to more problems. Um.

976
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: And I just think his days like as a starter

977
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: are probably done. Um. So yeah, Like I don't know,

978
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: he gave us a good run, but I just hated

979
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: how he looked throwing the ball last year. Do you

980
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: think Mac Jones wins that job? I think at some

981
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: point he does. Yeah, you know, I mean New England

982
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: spent heavy draft capital on Matt Jones for whatever reason.

983
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: I don't really understand it. But yeah, um, I don't know,

984
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: like I I I don't know about you, but I

985
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: feel like we were trying to find reasons to like

986
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: Mac Jones, you know last year, um, like going to

987
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: the whole draft process, like oh look what he did

988
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: with Alabama. It's like, oh look what he did with

989
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: al Obama with like, uh two first round talents at

990
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: wide like wide receiver, multiple guys on the offensive line,

991
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: like what, I'm sorry, like top top two or three

992
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: running back from the draft class, like top two or

993
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: three running back, like maybe the best running back in

994
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: the class, Like, um, dude, I don't know, Like I'm sorry,

995
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: but I wasn't terribly impressed with like what he was doing. Now,

996
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: to be fair, I said the exact same damn thing

997
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: about to uh like I wasn't. I didn't like what

998
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: I saw from Tah. I know you're still not in

999
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: love with two. I know, you know, I feel like

1000
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: was not it, Like he's not the guy Like two

1001
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: was definitely not the answer for me anyways. Like so no,

1002
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not exactly sure what Mac is gonna bring.

1003
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, um, I don't know, you know, I feel

1004
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: like I thought he had Yeah, go ahead, I feel

1005
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that the thing with Matt Jones was

1006
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: I think I think the the argument against Mac Jones

1007
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: came with the idea of Mac Jones going at number

1008
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: three overall, Like I think the idea of Jones going

1009
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: in fifteen. Everybody's like, okay, that makes sense, but like

1010
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: this whole smoke screen and look credit Kyle Shanahan and

1011
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: John Lynch for just slow playing it the way they did.

1012
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's like moving get mac Jones and like Shanahan's like, well,

1013
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to correct you, like that's fine, Like

1014
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, I look, I say this as somebody who

1015
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: grew up as a forty Niner fans still has friends

1016
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: who are forty Niner fans. I had a text chain

1017
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: where my friends were going through these seven stages of

1018
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: grief and trying to talk themselves into Mac Jones for

1019
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: the course of several weeks leading up to I mean

1020
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: literally by the time we got the draft day, they

1021
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: had reached acceptance and they were like, all right, well

1022
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: this is gonna be mac Jones, Like this is what

1023
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, Like let's just go to it, like

1024
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I think, but I think if if

1025
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: the whole conversation from you know, February on had been

1026
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: mac Jones is gonna go fifteen and think it would

1027
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: have been like all right. But I think, you know,

1028
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: we people tried to talk themselves into believing mac Jones

1029
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: could be worth the number three overall pick. And I

1030
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: think that's sort of where the issue. But that's what

1031
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: I guess, that's my point though even like talking yourself

1032
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: into like himping an okay value at fifteen seemed like

1033
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: a stretch to me, you know, like dude, I'm sorry, man,

1034
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: But like I look at Mac Jones and I'm like,

1035
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: this is a jag, Like this is the guy. This

1036
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: is the guy who has a tenure careers, a backup quarterback,

1037
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: tall white guy from a big name school. Cool, like

1038
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: you're the backup. Like it's all good. You know, somewhere

1039
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: Matt Barkley's ears are burning. I know, I don't see

1040
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: upside with me. I don't know, like obviously, obviously you know,

1041
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: there are people who do this for a living full

1042
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: time and disagree. But I don't know, man, Like I

1043
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: just felt like we were really trying to like justify

1044
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: the value not only at like three, but then like

1045
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, justifying the value even a fifteen.

1046
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, bro, this guy has all the makings

1047
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: of a backup quarterback. Like I don't know what the

1048
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: hell we're talking about here, so um, you know, even

1049
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: like you know, Dan or Lofki or whatever, pulling up

1050
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: like all these like highlights or whatever, and it's like

1051
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: he's strowing a wide open dudes man, like I'm sorry,

1052
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: like with a clean pocket, like I don't know, like yeah,

1053
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: those those are nice throws, like definitely in the bucket

1054
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: throws like cool, but like I don't know, like show

1055
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: me clips where he's under pressure or the guys like

1056
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: in a tight window situation, Like I just saw a

1057
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: shockingly low number of those, because you know why, there

1058
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: was a shockingly low number of players that had to

1059
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: be made. You know, like he's thrown a like Jalen Wattle,

1060
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: like Davante Smith, like five yards of separation like okay, dude,

1061
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, Like it's not tough, you know, Like

1062
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. Anyways, I don't know how I

1063
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: got down this rabbit hole. You know what happens. It's alright, alright,

1064
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: last one here. I I didn't pick a name. I

1065
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: just said the Saints, right, because their quarterback situation is

1066
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: just sort of like who knows. And I contend most

1067
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: NFL coaches don't really care one way or another about

1068
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: fantasy football. They don't pay attention to any of us.

1069
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: They're already couple that I do think actively troll us,

1070
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: and the king of them is Sean Payton, And I

1071
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: feel like we are doomed to be trolled by Sean

1072
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: Payton in this jamis Winston Taysom Hill conundrum that's going

1073
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know if you feel differently, but

1074
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, this is not going

1075
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: to end well for any of us who play the

1076
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: fantasy game. The first thing that he should do, Sean Payton,

1077
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: is go and bring on Steve Spurrier as like an

1078
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: offensive consultant, just to complete the troll job. You know,

1079
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: he would hire Steve Spurrier and everyone would collectively freak out, like,

1080
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's definitely going to quarterbacks. They're definitely

1081
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: going to quarterbacksress top now. They got the old ball

1082
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: coach in there. That's what they're gonna do. Like, that's

1083
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: what Sean Payton should do. Like, and I just give

1084
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: him like minimal money to like it's all good, you know,

1085
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: like whatever two fifty grand or whatever. It's still like,

1086
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: what's all ball coach do? When you take that into heartbeat,

1087
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: you know? Um, but yeah, that's what he totally should do.

1088
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I think I actually think,

1089
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: um that this will be a two quarterback system. Um,

1090
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: I really, I actually truly honestly believe that. Um. And

1091
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: the reason I say that is, um, And it might

1092
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: not be like, you know, it might not be like, oh,

1093
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: Jamis is gonna get one series and then tastem is

1094
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: gonna get one series. It might actually be worse. It

1095
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: might actually be Jamis is our guy between the twenties

1096
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: and in the red zone, we're going to taste him. Um.

1097
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: And And the reason I say that is because when

1098
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: I kind of looked at like a lot of the

1099
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: next gen stats for Jamis Winston over his career, he

1100
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: is absolutely one of the absolute worst quarterbacks when throwing

1101
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: in breaking routes. So we're talking about like primarily slants, um,

1102
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: but hitches too. He's one of the by the way,

1103
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: he's one of the worst quarterbacks of all time throwing

1104
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: the hitches for whatever reason, like he can't help but

1105
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: throw interceptions. Um, but he got lace, James, he can

1106
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: see now. I know we got the lace of going.

1107
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: I just think for me, I think the number one

1108
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: thing with Jamis is that he is a see it

1109
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: and throw it quarterback. He is not a timing based guy.

1110
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: That's never been his m O. That's not what he

1111
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: did at Florida's stay and I think in Tampa that's

1112
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: not what he did. Um. I think he needs to

1113
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: see it and then he needs to fire it. So,

1114
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: but timing routes are different, um, And that's what slants are.

1115
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: Slants are hund percent time a rounds. Hitches, oh my god,

1116
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: hitches are a hundred percent timing route like five steps

1117
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: and come back or ten steps and come back like

1118
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: you have to that ball's got to be out of

1119
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: your hands before the receivers even making his break. But

1120
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: that's not what Jamis does. Um. But but unfortunately, the

1121
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: reason I bring that up is, dude, that is a

1122
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: lot of what this offense is. You know, a lot

1123
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: of in breaking routes. Like I know, we make fun

1124
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: of Michael Thomas or whatever slant boy, you know, but

1125
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, listen, it works, you know, like it works,

1126
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: and uh, they use a lot of that to then

1127
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: set up play action. Then they use a lot of

1128
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: that to like you know, bring down dbs to get

1129
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: favorable matchups on the outside deep and like you know,

1130
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: they've played it beautifully. Um. Unfortunately they don't have Drew

1131
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: Brees masking. They don't have a Hall of Fame first

1132
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: ballot Hall of Fame quarterback masking a lot of their

1133
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: offensive deficiencies. Okay, um, but when Taysom Hill gets to

1134
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: within the twenty, like, I don't know about you, but

1135
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: like I love what I saw, Like he becomes this

1136
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: like like very versatile weapon. Um. And by the way,

1137
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: he's also much more efficient at throwing these timing routes. Um.

1138
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: I think where he struggles is kind of throwing outside

1139
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: the numbers, which is why between the twenties it makes

1140
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: sense to have Jamis and I think inside the red

1141
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: zone give that ball to Taysom Hill. But for fantasy purposes,

1142
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: I really honestly don't think you can draft either one.

1143
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't think either one is draftable. I have been

1144
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: drafting in a couple of spots. I've drafted Taysom Hill

1145
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: late just because I totally believe the scenario you put forward.

1146
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what's going to happen. And I think

1147
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: at least with Taysom Hill, there is that upside of

1148
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: him possibly running one in from five yards out. You

1149
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: know that they use some sort of in that wildcat

1150
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: and and he he you know, out of the shotgun,

1151
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: he'll just on one end um, which side note It's

1152
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: also what I have fear that Urban Meyer is going

1153
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: to do with Tim Tebow down in Jacksonville. So, like

1154
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: everybody who's drafting Travis E. T n or James Robinson,

1155
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your heart broken when it's Tim Tebow

1156
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: running the Wildcat from the three and like gobbling up

1157
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: some of those touchdown Can I can I throw a

1158
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: fantasy total nerd fantasy question out to you if before

1159
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: the season, for whatever reason, the Saints and Sean Payton

1160
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: said Taysom Hill is actually a backup running back and

1161
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: they gave him running back designation, which means that in

1162
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: fantasy football he could be played as a running back

1163
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: if he got that designation and you had not done

1164
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: your draft, how high does Taysom Hill go? Is he?

1165
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: And I'm a hot tech guy, but I would say

1166
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: he is legit a top ten pick in fantasy. I

1167
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: mean you might not because I cut the outside do it?

1168
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Because you get the potential upside as

1169
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback because you're still gonna get those yards, like

1170
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: passing yards, Like if you're running back throws a touchdown,

1171
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: you still get those poys. Do you know what I'm saying?

1172
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: So like, could you imagine him getting that designation? Like

1173
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: how I'm just trying to like galaxy brain this thing,

1174
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: like how high does Taysom he'll go. He's gotta go

1175
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: super high? Right, he goes high? I don't. I couldn't

1176
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: say top ten just because I feel like if if

1177
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: that's what they were going to do, that he's drafting

1178
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: him in the top ten means you're drafting him at

1179
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: his absolute ceiling. And I don't know that he's gonna

1180
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: get enough opportunity in either one at either quarterback or

1181
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: running back to hit that ceiling. But I would say

1182
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: that I would say you would draft him as top

1183
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: fifteen running back. No way he goes outside the top

1184
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: two rounds, right, Like, he's definitely in the top twenty picks. Definitely, Yeah,

1185
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: that would be God, I'm hoping for it. Tell me

1186
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: the carnage. Now. I'm nervous as you put this in

1187
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: the universe because Sean Payton, you know, somebody might somebody

1188
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: might pass this along and Seansill be like, dude, this

1189
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: is an idea. Maybe I'll do this. Yeah, because again,

1190
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: you know what it would It would completely mess with

1191
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators too, by the way, like like real life.

1192
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: Like I know Sean doesn't care at all about fantasy,

1193
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: but like in real life, like it could actually have

1194
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: an impact, you know, like like screw it, like they

1195
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't draft anybody of note, you know, like they need

1196
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: more offensive weapons. Like to me, it actually makes more

1197
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: sense to just say James is our quarterback. Taysom is

1198
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: gonna be like our tight end. Oh by the way,

1199
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: if they gave him tight end designation forget, Like, oh

1200
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: my god, he's definitely going He's definitely going top twelve. Right,

1201
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: But like imagine like Taysom Hill as like one of

1202
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: your two tight ends with Troutman You've got you know,

1203
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: you've got Alvin Kamara there, but you like figuring out

1204
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: ways to keep Taysom Hill on the field. Um by

1205
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: saying he's like you're starting tight end or whatever, like

1206
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: that's not bad. I'm just saying, like from a defensive

1207
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: coordinator standpoint, like Okay, all of a sudden, like I've

1208
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: got a game plan around Tasso being this like you know,

1209
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: crazy weird h back type um player, Like that's that's

1210
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: not bad. Like from a real life perspective, I I

1211
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of think Sean Payton wouldn't mind doing that. Now

1212
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: that you put that in the universe, it's totally gonna happen.

1213
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: I need taste some hills a tight end, but give

1214
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: me that designation just to add complete chaos to drafts.

1215
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Look, I said I embraced randomness

1216
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: and fantasy football. This would be like the pinnacle of

1217
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: randomness and fantasy football. That's happened. All right. Before I

1218
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: let you go, I would like to do some rapid

1219
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: fire questions, So I got three of us for you.

1220
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: First off, who's the greatest cal athlete ever? By whatever?

1221
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: By whatever metric you want to determine it. And then,

1222
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: by the way, this is for the people, the people

1223
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: who don't know this like familiar trope. It's like I'm

1224
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: I went to cal. I love cal I always talked

1225
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: about cal Um. But greatest cal athlete I think by

1226
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 1: the numbers, obviously it's gotta be Aaron Rodgers just in

1227
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: terms of like what he's done in the NFL. But

1228
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: I think my personal favorite is Marshawn Lynch, you know,

1229
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: like the beast quick run and everything like um, just

1230
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: all the antics that he's done, Like he's given us

1231
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: so many like memorable things that we like still talk about,

1232
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: you know. Um, and and he was, by the way,

1233
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: he was a damn good player too, you know. So um,

1234
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: like those early Seattle teams, like it was not the

1235
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Russ show, it was the Martian show. You know, like

1236
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: Marshawn carried them to the Super Bowl, Um, you know

1237
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: the two times they were there. So like, um, you know,

1238
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: you could say whatever, but like bottom line is, like

1239
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: Marshawn was the focal point of that offense. So in

1240
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo too, before he got to before some good bills

1241
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: out there too, Uh I did. I mean those teams stunk,

1242
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: but I mean yeah he was you know him ghost

1243
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: riding the cart at the golf cart. Yeah, the golf cart.

1244
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: That's legendary, legendary legend. All right, So you are a

1245
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: wrestling guy. You and Adam ranked a lot of good wrestling,

1246
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: you know bits together. Who is your favorite wrestler of

1247
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: all time? This one's an easy one. Stone called Steve Auston.

1248
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: I think he's one of He actually, in my mind,

1249
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: is one of the two most important figures in pro

1250
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: wrestling history. Um. Hul Cogan carried the sport for you know,

1251
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: a good twenty years. But I've I've contended um, and

1252
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty accurate that without Stone quotes Steve Auston.

1253
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: First of all, you would have no Rock, okay, and

1254
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: like Rock is like a megastar international superstar right now,

1255
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: without Stone called Steve Auston, you don't even have the

1256
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: w W E period because during that time, during the

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01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: Monday Night Wars, like Nitro was crushing them in the ratings.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that kept them going through it all.

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Speaker 1: Uh could have been HPK Heartbreak Kitchen Michael's, but he

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01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: was hurt so he couldn't wrestle. Uh. And then Stone

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Speaker 1: collas Steve Austin was like the flag bearer of that

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01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: and like I don't know, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you remember. But like in the late nineties, like who

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Speaker 1: wasn't wearing in Austin three right? Like those shirts were

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: everywhere people were like I had, I had an Austin

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Speaker 1: three sixteen shirt. Old ladies were stopping me in the

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01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: street asking me like, okay, so what's the deal with

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: Stone Cold, Like what's his deal? Like why is he popular?

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Speaker 1: Why are you wearing that shirt? And I just like

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Speaker 1: I I don't know, but like old ladies on the

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01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: street knew who Stone Cold Steve Austin was right, so like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was crazy, you know, and like he was the

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Speaker 1: one thing that people tuned into for Monday Night raw um.

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Speaker 1: And he did that for year after year after year

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Speaker 1: after year. Um. And I would say, like, honestly, if

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Speaker 1: he wasn't there, the w W probably folds. I don't

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01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: think they. I just don't think they survive. Um that

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: Nitro Blitz um without Stone Cold. So I would say

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Speaker 1: he's one of the two most you know, important figures

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Speaker 1: in pro wrestling history. Wow. Interesting with the other one

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01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan maybe Hulk Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember

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Speaker 1: when he left. When when Stone Cold left the w W, E,

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01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: I had a roommate at the time who was a

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: huge Steve Austin fan. I remember I came home from

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01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: work every day for a week in my roommate was

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01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: just sitting on the couch, despondent, drinking beer. I'm like, bro,

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: you gotta get over this, man. I just can't have

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01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: you sitting here like a lump on the couch like

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: every single day when I come home from work, like

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01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: over over a pearl wrestler pro wrestling. I'm like, bro,

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01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: let's go out and do something because like this is

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01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: just not going to get it done, all right? So

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01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: then you you tweeted the other day about Creed. Uh

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01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: defended Creed. Um. This has become a recurring theme on

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01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: the show. We had Matt Okata on like a week

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01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: or two ago, and he told how much like he

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01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: one of his favorite albums is the Creed Greatest Hits Album. Uh,

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Speaker 1: So I gotta ask you, like, what is your favorite

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01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: Creeds song? This ties in with the previous question for

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: those folks who don't know, but like, um, you are

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01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: a secret fan of like Limp Biscuit and like, um,

1302
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: you know uh and Creed if you followed pro wrestling

1303
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,479
Speaker 1: in the late nineties early two thousand's, because they cut

1304
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: these promos like these video montages and like I don't

1305
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: know how like they used Creed songs and they use

1306
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: like Limp Biscuit songs and like they were amazing, like

1307
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: unbelievable promo videos. Man, and like you as a result,

1308
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: like love these songs. Like I know it sounds so ridiculous,

1309
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: but like I still turn on Creeds my sacrifice and

1310
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: I still think about like those nineties, like like late nineties,

1311
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: early two thousand wrestling moments like I do you know? Um?

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Speaker 1: And like I don't know, Like yeah, So like my

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Speaker 1: Sacrifice by Creed is like it's still on my playlist,

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: It's still a banger. Every time it comes on. I

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 1: still listen to it, Like I never skipped my sacrifice

1316
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: on Creed, Like I don't do it, like I don't know.

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01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: It's it's it is silly and ridiculous. But like anyone

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01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: who watched like that era of wrestling knows exactly what

1319
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about now. And I'm imagining you pulling into

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01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: the driveway with like your kid in the car, your

1321
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: kids in the car, and like my Sacrifice comes on,

1322
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: You're like, no, sorry, kids, We're gonna sit here. We're

1323
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna sit here to the song until it's over right,

1324
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: exactly crazy. You know, James always loved chatting with you.

1325
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: It's always fun on war off the air, it's great.

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01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: I guess you are. You're like the hardest working man

1327
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: in fantasy show business. What what? Which number of things?

1328
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: How many different things are you doing? Where can people

1329
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: find all your stuff? Now I'm making a really big

1330
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: push on YouTube, and so like yeah, I've got like

1331
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of little clips and stuff coming out pretty soon. Um.

1332
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: My YouTube channels growing, which is great. I'd love for

1333
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: people to follow me on there. Um, and that will

1334
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: be like the home for where you find all my

1335
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: my fantasy football skits if you don't know about all

1336
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: that stuff, Like you know, I did humble brag, not

1337
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: even a humble brag to straight up brag like I

1338
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: did win a Fantasy award my skits. So it's cool.

1339
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,439
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and so like, yeah, I'm gonna be putting

1340
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: all my skits on there. I've got more you know,

1341
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: pre draft things. I've got things that I do with

1342
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: Matt Harmon on there too, and um and yeah, so

1343
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to grow my YouTube channel. It's a

1344
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash James Deco if you want to

1345
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: find me there. Obviously I'm pretty active on Twitter still,

1346
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: so that's cool. Um, all my handles are all James Deco.

1347
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: So if you want to find me on any of

1348
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: the socials, that's where you can find me. But yeah, um,

1349
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing that plus reception perception to like yeah, yeah,

1350
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: I've teamed up with Matt um and we're we've got

1351
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: his business up and going. Um and man there's just

1352
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: so much info on there, man and I and I

1353
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: tell people this all the time. If you have reception

1354
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: perception and your league mates don't, you have an un

1355
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: believable advantage at the wide receiver position in fantasy football.

1356
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: So we will get you all sorted out. There's a

1357
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: lot of great info and and we're building a little

1358
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: bit of a community there too, on discord and all

1359
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: those things so and on the YouTube channel. So yeah, man,

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01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: um Reception Perception dot com. Uh. If you guys haven't

1361
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: checked it out, I swear to you it is a

1362
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: it's a game changer once you start diving into those metrics.

1363
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely go check that out if you haven't already. Not

1364
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: only is it good stuff, but it's two of my

1365
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: favorite people, uh doing stuff together. So be sure to

1366
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: go check that out. By the way, you know the

1367
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: James D. Grow Twitter handle it still exists, I know

1368
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: for those who don't know. James bought a plant and

1369
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: we named it James D Grow. Uh, So there's a

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01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Twitter handle as such. It hasn't tweeted since, but it

1371
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: was the most it was the most ridiculous thing in

1372
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: the whole world because I had a small pot, uh,

1373
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: small pot it. It wasn't planned, it was right. It

1374
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: was just regular old grass growing in this pot. And

1375
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: people said, oh, well, why do you have this thing?

1376
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: I I brought it into the office and like there

1377
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: was not a single person who wasn't like petting it

1378
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 1: and like getting relaxed. So people ask me, like why

1379
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,799
Speaker 1: did I grow this grass? Because I'm like, hey, listen,

1380
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: I love grass and when I touched the grass, I

1381
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: feel some kind of peace wash over me and it works.

1382
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know, that's awesome. Yeah, but the Twitter

1383
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: counts still there, Uh, for whatever that's worth anyway, Yeah,

1384
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: go check out James on all those different platforms for us.

1385
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: That is it. We are done. We appreciate you hanging

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: out with the NFL Fantasy Football Show. You know the drill,

1387
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: tell to friends, to tell to friends, rate review and

1388
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: remember if it was really a non stuff flight, you

1389
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get off. Take care of yourself,

1390
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: be safe, to get vaccinated, and we'll talk to you

1391
01:10:47,200 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: next week. Wow. Toko hand the bot Toto and all

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Speaker 1: the