1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Well, hey, Angel fans, welcome back to Halo territory. I 2 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: am Mike di Giovanna, former La Times Baseball writer and 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: host of the show. And if you're watching us on YouTube, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: you can see we got our first four top We 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: have four esteemed members of the media and former player 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo my co host. We have Sam Blum with 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the Athletic and our guest today is Jeff Flescher, who 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: I believe is the only traveling, full time traveling Angels 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: beat writer left. Is that correct, Fletch? Yeah, well, congratulations, 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: I guess. Well, let's get right into the main topic today, 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: which is the eyebrow raising quote that Angels owner Artie 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Moreno gave Fletch and MLB dot Com on Friday and 13 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: his somewhat annual state of the franchise address. Let's go 14 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: right to this quote. The number one thing fans want 15 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: is affordability, Marino said. They want affordability, they want safety, 16 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: and they want a good experience when they come to 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: the ballpark. Believe it or not, winning is not in 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: their top five. Marino said. The information comes from surveys 19 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: they've done. Quote, the moms want to be able to 20 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: afford to bring the kids. Moms make about eighty percent 21 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: of the decisions. They want to be able to bring 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: their kids and be affordable, and they want safety, and 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: they want to have a good experience, so they get 24 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: all the entertainment stuff or whatever. The purest you know, 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: it's just straight winning. When asked what his top priority is, 26 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Marino said, for me, for me, I've always wanted to win. 27 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: It's just what is the cost of winning right now? 28 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: But there's a lot to unpack their guys, Flesh, just 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: first start with you. You were there? Was it just 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: you and the MLB dot com reporter? First question? 31 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: Well, one of the Angels PR guys was also there, 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: of course listening in. 33 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: But only two reporters. 34 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Yes, Like, what scored through your mind as you're sort 35 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: of listening to this, Like, were your shoulders starting to 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: shrug a little bit? What were you sort of what 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: was your first immediate reaction. 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: I definitely gave a little eye roll because I knew 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: that that was not the right thing to say. But 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: you know, as the context was that we were talking 41 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: about the ballpark and all the stuff leading up to 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: that discussion was about things they're doing in the ballpark, 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: the repainting and the repaving the parking lot and all 44 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, And that's why he was talking 45 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: about fans that go to the ballpark and what you know, 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: those kind of people are interested in and what we'll 47 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 2: bring them back to the ballpark. 48 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: So I think that's you know, he. 49 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: Probably didn't really say that as clearly as he wanted to. 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: And then that's why I asked him about, well, what's 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: your top already, and which to me, I think was 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: the most important thing that he said was, you know, 53 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: my top priority is winning, but how much does winning cost? 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: So to me, the headline is that Ardi Moreno doesn't 55 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: think the Angels are worth spending a lot of money 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: on right now, which is because of where the team 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: is and where the TV situation is. To me, that 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: is what people should be talking about, not the fact 59 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 2: that maybe he used the word fans instead of customers, 60 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: you know, in this other quote. But you know, the 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: way the internet is, it kind of took on a 62 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: liking its own. 63 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Sam, I understand you had a little reaction to that quote. 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Jeff will be not too surprised to 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: know I don't fully agree with him, but we never 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: fully agree. We sometimes a little agree, sometimes a lot agree, 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 4: but almost never. 68 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I think that quote. You know people 70 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: are going to take from that quote. I mean, there's 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: absolutely no surprise for me. I mean, this is one 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: of the more disastrous things I think an owner could 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 4: possibly say, which is suggests that fans don't prioritize winning. 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: And I think you're seeing that not just in his words, 75 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: but also in the actions of the entire operation. I mean, 76 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: there's kind of nothing that I see when it comes 77 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: to the Angels that's like, Okay, this team is really 78 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: putting in the resources and effort and you know, the 79 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: making it a priority to win for their fans. It 80 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 4: just doesn't it doesn't appear to me that that's what 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 4: they're doing. So this is, you know, this is a 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 4: ridiculous thing to say, and I think it's in the 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 4: fans are taking it as they should, which is they're 84 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 4: insulted by it. You know. Ultimately, I agree with Fletch, 85 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: which is probably the most significant element of what he's 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 4: saying is that he doesn't really view it as you know, 87 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: worth the cost to put a good team on the field. 88 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: But what I would also say is the reason why 89 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: it's probably not worth the cost right now is because 90 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: he's just run the thing into the ground at this point. 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 4: I mean, this team is bad because of the decisions 92 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: that he's made for over twenty years now, and really, 93 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 4: you know, I mean just talking with with Bruce Meyer 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 4: this year and then Tony Clark last year. And I 95 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 4: think one of the grapes that the union has, which 96 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: I think is fair, which is that then the Angels 97 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: really treat the CBT threshold as a salary cappening even 98 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: more recently, I mean they're like almost one hundred million 99 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 4: dollars below the tax at this point. I mean they're 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: not even They're not basically operating like a very small 101 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 4: market team. This is Los Angeles supposedly, so there. I 102 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 4: just think that there are a lot of issues here 103 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: and it's good he said. 104 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 5: The quiet part out loud at the very least. 105 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: Arc As a former player, how do you think this 106 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: was received in the clubhouse? Like, say, you're the cleanup 107 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: better in the Angels. Right now you're reading this quote, 108 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: what are you thinking? 109 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 6: It's an awkward time to be a fan A player 110 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 6: manager Kurt Suzuki, I know he's incredibly optimistic about just 111 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 6: about everything, but I do wonder you can't ignore those comments, 112 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 6: so it's. 113 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: I guess you have to just. 114 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 6: Accept them and say that that's the business side of things, 115 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 6: and as a player, you're going to put your head 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 6: down and play hard because whether in you get paid 117 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 6: by this team or maybe they can't afford you. I 118 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 6: don't know if you mentioned some numbers too. That fifteen 119 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 6: million was mentioned as maybe too expensive. I don't know 120 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 6: if that applies to everyone, but maybe a guy like 121 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 6: Zach Netto. It's not the news you really want to hear. 122 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 6: It seems like the financial situation is bleak until a 123 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 6: TV deal comes through, which I don't know when that 124 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 6: will be, but maybe they have some idea. But if 125 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 6: pro sports is not about winning, what is it. I mean, 126 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 6: this is the top level. You're there to win. That's 127 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 6: all I know from when I was coming up. I've 128 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 6: talked about it before. Some you know, people like to 129 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 6: say it's more about a process, but I firmly believe 130 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 6: it's about winning. I think the angel fans want to 131 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 6: see a winning ball club. There are other teams that 132 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 6: operate on limited payroll that win, the Brewers, the Athletics, 133 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 6: many others, the Guardians, we can go on and on 134 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 6: the rais so if we're a smaller market team now, 135 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 6: for whatever reason, we need to find a way to 136 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 6: and I say we they win more games and cited 137 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 6: mental mistakes as why last year did not go better. Mike, 138 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 6: what do you what do you think about mental mistakes? 139 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 6: Do you agree with that? 140 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Well, certainly the Angels had their fill of them. But 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: when I look at the you know, the second half collapse, 142 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't think mental mistakes were as big of an 143 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: issue as you know, the incredibly thin rotation, the bullpen, injuries, 144 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: the strikeouts that were just off the charts. I mean, 145 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, Sam, can you you got you and Fletched, 146 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: can you remember like even a single game, maybe a 147 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: handful of games that were decided by mental mistakes? 148 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 4: Sure, I mean they're you know, mental mistakes. 149 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 7: Are you know? 150 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: I agree with the first part of what you say, 151 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: which is like this is this team isn't good enough. 152 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 5: I mean they're not. 153 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: They don't have a good enough team right now. And 154 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: to Mark's point, right like, there are teams that are 155 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: you know, when you're operating in a small market, you 156 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: make certain decisions that I think are painful at times. 157 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 5: But they're in the product. 158 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: They are in the business of, you know, trying to 159 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: put a winning product on the field, and I think 160 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: the Angels are always just trying to sell a winning 161 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: product rather than actually do it. And you know, now, 162 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: I think what we're seeing and what you kind of 163 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 4: see in these comments from already, which is this kind 164 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 4: of having to acknowledge that they're not really even trying. 165 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: To put a winning product on the field at this point. 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: I mean, they're just kind of where they are. And 167 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: I think if you're a player, and that is I 168 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: think kind of where things are with this team at least, 169 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: you know, based on the comments from Meyer. I mean, 170 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: there's like it's awkward, right, Like it's just weird. It's 171 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: like if you're a player and you kind of hear 172 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: your owner maybe Flimsily say like this isn't really that 173 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: important to us, then I don't know what what that 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: really says to you, is, you know, as someone as 175 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 4: from like Mike Trout who's put his whole career into 176 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 4: this team. 177 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know. 178 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 4: I just think it's it's a it's a really hard 179 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 4: thing to possess as a fan, as a player, and 180 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: especially like you said, Kurtuzuki's on this one year deal. 181 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: Who's probably just like Okay, well great, you know there 182 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 4: should be a fun season and maybe just one of them. 183 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break for a word 184 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: from our sponsors and then we'll hear from Fletch. 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Otherwise, you know, 211 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: I don't think you should read too much into like 212 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: his assessment of what happened in each game. 213 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 3: I think the big the big issue is I think already. 214 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: Cares about two things. They're one in one A and 215 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: they're winning and they're not losing money. And I think 216 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: he'd be willing to lose money if he could win. 217 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: But I don't think he's willing to lose money and lose. 218 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 2: And so far, when he's tried to spend money, it 219 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: has looked at what's happened the last few times he's 220 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: spent a lot of money. Mike Trout has you know, 221 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: not played. Anthony Rendon has been bad even like a 222 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: little thing like Tyler Anderson, you know, didn't really work out. 223 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: So all already thinks all he's seeing is that look 224 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: when I when I spend extra money, we're still no good. 225 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 2: So what he wants just hey, hang on, hang on. 226 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: I think what he wants the young guys played better 227 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: and give them more of a core. So he spends 228 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: the twenty million dollars to go from eighty four wins 229 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: to ninety wins rather than going from you know, seventy 230 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: four wins to eighty wins. Because there's that's it is 231 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: not interested in spending extra money to go from seventy 232 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: four wins to eighty wins. 233 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 4: Sam, No, I listen, I just I think, like in 234 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: a vacuum, that's all true. Right, Like you know, you 235 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: see a lot of your investments go poorly, and that 236 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 4: leads you to not want to make investments. But I 237 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: mean to me, the reason they've lost is I mean, 238 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 4: it's obviously in part because some of these big name 239 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: players that they've signed are you know, have not panned out. 240 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 5: I mean you can also make some. 241 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 4: Cases that they've made bad bets. They made the wrong 242 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 4: choices in terms of who they signed. But I mean, ultimately, 243 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: I think that the reason that they've lost is is 244 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 4: poor management top to bottom. I mean, it's you know, 245 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that go into winning besides 246 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: just making bets on free agent players. 247 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 5: And I think the Angels. 248 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: Right now, if they didn't make any bets on any 249 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 4: big free agents this offseason, that would be okay if 250 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 4: they were also. 251 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 5: Doing some other things that they're just not doing. 252 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 4: I mean, you look at those last couple of trades 253 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: last like four trade deadlines, where they've really not been 254 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: in a position to make the playoffs, and I mean, 255 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 4: I just can't really think of any like primetime talent 256 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 4: they've acquired outside of the Carlos Stevis trade. So you know, 257 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: I mean this is these are times when you build 258 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: up a franchise if you're not willing to spend, and 259 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: he's clearly kind of indicating he's not willing to spend, 260 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 4: and so all right, so go the other direction. Do 261 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 4: the things that those teams are doing. 262 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Letch, was there any indication from already when the survey 263 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: was conducted, who was sent to uh, where can we 264 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: get our hands on the results. 265 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: I mean just you know, my impression is just something 266 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: that they when people buy tickets, they get the survey. 267 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, like I mentioned before, the 268 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: word customers, a lot of people have heard me use them. 269 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: There's fans and there's customers, and there's a lot of 270 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: people who are both. But there's also a lot of 271 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: people who are one or the other. And to suggest 272 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: that the Angels don't have a huge amount of people 273 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 2: who are customers who pay no attention to what is 274 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: going on is just not paying attention to what happens 275 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: when you go there on August thirty thousand people having 276 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: a party and throwing the beach balls around because they 277 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: like the fireworks. I mean, those are real, Those real 278 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: people they are that we ignore because they're not listening 279 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: to this podcast. They're not following me on Twitter, they're 280 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: not following the same on Twitter. They have no idea 281 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: this conversation is even happening. But they put money in 282 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: artist's pocket. So to say that they're not real, this 283 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 2: is ridiculous. 284 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: Sam. If you have a cert, Sam, you do a 285 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: survey asking the Angels angel fans if they had received 286 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: any surveys. Does anybody have a copy of this. Did 287 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: you get much response on that? 288 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some emails of like old like there 289 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 4: was a maybe a survey done on like twenty twenty 290 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 4: three or something like that, But no, but he had 291 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 4: like the actual survey, and nobody could recall being asked 292 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 4: a question that would involve, you know, their priorities when 293 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 4: it relates to winning and things. 294 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 5: Like that, you know. 295 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: And I also asked the Angels if they could provide 296 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 4: the survey or even just like indicate what the survey 297 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 4: was or maybe what the question was that would have 298 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: led them to believe to you know, because I mean 299 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: this is I mean, I wasn't there, but it sounds 300 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: like he said that they are citing a survey on this. 301 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: So I mean, there's this survey that's supposedly telling you 302 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: that they don't people don't care about winning, and that 303 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 4: is how you are basing your strategic operations for your franchise. 304 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: I think it's a very fair question to want to 305 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: know what this survey is, uh, And I have yet 306 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: to see evidence that it exists, But I'm not going 307 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 4: to say it doesn't. 308 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 5: I just haven't seen any evidence that it does. 309 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: You also did a follow up survey on Monday. Since 310 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm curious, Angels fans, what's more important to you ballpark 311 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: affordability or the Angels winning games? 312 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 313 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 4: I mean done on this one. Yeah, Like I would 314 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: just say that to Fletch's point, right, Like, there's you know, 315 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 4: there's probably a large subjects and people that are not 316 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 4: following us on Twitter and not engaging and maybe aren't 317 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: going to maybe we have their net percentage might be 318 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: higher on the ballpark affordability one. I just don't think 319 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 4: that there's any credible you know, you're gonna you're gonna 320 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 4: find any credible survey where fans are going to tell 321 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: you they just don't get that winning. 322 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 3: Let me let me tell you this is a little 323 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: metric that I use. 324 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: I've got like sixty five thousand Twitter followers, Sam, you got. 325 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: Like what thirty five thousand or something like that. 326 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 4: The Angel. 327 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: Marks one point two million. Let's they have one point 328 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: two million. What are those other million people that don't 329 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: care about what I'm tweeting? They don't care about what 330 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: Sam's tweeting, They don't care who's going to play second base, 331 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: they don't care how you know Robert Stevenson's shoulder is doing. 332 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: They want to know when there's fireworks and who the 333 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: bobblehead is going to be. 334 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: A million people that are paying no attention to any 335 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: of us right now, those are real people. 336 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: I would we can all make fun of them and 337 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: say they should count, but they do count to already, 338 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: So I mean. 339 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 4: I guess, but like you know, you can still try. Yeah, yeah, 340 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: I just I just think that you're talking if you're 341 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 4: talking about your fans, the people that have you know, 342 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: it's been you know, eleven or maybe they're growing in 343 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: the twelve years without making the playoffs. It's like the 344 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 4: second I think it's the longest in North American sports 345 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 4: outside of maybe like the Buffalo Sabers or something like that. 346 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 4: Like they this is just getting to a point where 347 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: it's ridiculous, like this is nobody goes this long, being 348 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 4: this bad, especially in this market. I mean, so at 349 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 4: some point you come out with this, like I get it, 350 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: everything in a vacuum could be you can you can 351 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 4: make the case one way or the other for what 352 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: he means, what he's trying to say, this and that, 353 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 4: But at some point you are running this, this entire 354 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 4: operation into the ground. It's so clear as day. This 355 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 4: team is projected to win like sixty something games, and 356 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: I think that is optimistic at this point. So you know, 357 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: you're this is just a bad product, and it's getting worse, 358 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: and it's getting less organized, and there's getting less optimistic 359 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: for the future. This is not a rebuild, right I 360 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: think that that is what you'll hear the Angels try 361 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 4: to sell this season as over and over again when 362 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: things start to get bad. 363 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 5: I'm certain of it. 364 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: I've seen it. I know it'll happen again. But I 365 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 4: want to tell you this right now. If they are 366 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: if they do in fact lose and they are not 367 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: pulling off a miracle this year, this is not a rebuild. 368 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 4: It's a bad team without a future right now. And 369 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: I think that's what That's what people are upset about, 370 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 4: and that's what's driving fans right now to believe what pletch. 371 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: Was there any reaction from an Angel's clubhouse, maybe from 372 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: Mike Trout about some of these comments. 373 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: No, because honestly, I knew what Artie was talking about, 374 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: So I didn't ask. 375 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: The players a question that Sam was asking because that's 376 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: a different meaning than what he was talking about. Now, 377 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: there are a lot of other legitimate things that already does. 378 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 3: You know, we've talked about I talked to. 379 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: Players about how the fact that their payroll is way 380 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: down because of the TV deal. I mean, that's like 381 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 2: a real thing that's actually happening. You know, that's something 382 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: that they talk about in the clubhouse. This is not. 383 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 9: I don't know. 384 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Bruce Meyer said it was, Yeah, we were just gonna 385 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: ask you about that. Sam. You've got to hold of 386 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: Bruce Meyer on Sunday, and that was the day of 387 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: the union. Bruce Meyer, the new union boss, UH met 388 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: with the Angels on Sunday morning. I believe Sam, what 389 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: what came out of that. 390 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's just he said that that 391 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 4: that players are I've taken notice of this, and I mean, 392 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know which player. I mean, obviously 393 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: there are a lot of players in that clubhouse that 394 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 4: are probably getting opportunities on this team that they wouldn't 395 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: get if it was a you know, a better product. 396 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 5: You know, that's no insultating. 397 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: There's just like a lot of young players that maybe 398 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 4: are getting opportunities in the big leagues otherwise they wouldn't 399 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: otherwise be getting right now. But yeah, it's listen. I mean, 400 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 4: I think his point, which is a fair point, is 401 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: the Angels are, you know, one of their bigger market teams, 402 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 4: one of the MLB's bigger market teams. 403 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: There. 404 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 4: The Union's obviously coming in with their own agenda of 405 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 4: you know, trying to prevent a salary cap and things 406 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: like that, and the Angels I think are very very 407 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 4: you know, fruitful case study for the Union to try 408 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 4: and make their point because this is, you know, a 409 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 4: big market team that's just not really spending and you know, 410 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 4: there this highlights I think a lot of the issues 411 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: at play here. This is the Angels highlight a lot 412 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: of the issues that MLBP a kind of sees. So 413 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 4: that's why they want to talk about it. But ultimately, 414 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 4: like he said, players are are are concerned about this, 415 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 4: that it came up as part of their discussion. They 416 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 4: go to every King. 417 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 5: Camp every spring they went to. 418 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 4: And Bruce Meyers had the players we're talking about that 419 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: this is an area of concern. So I don't, you know, 420 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 4: I don't know, Fletch's in spring training right now and 421 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: I'm not, so I don't want to discount that, but yeah, 422 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 4: I mean that he literally walked out of that meeting 423 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: and said that. 424 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 5: Conversation. 425 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: So all right, we're going to take another quick break 426 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors, and we'll be right 427 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 1: back with more Halo territory. 428 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 10: Hey, sometimes we do a little game on foul territory 429 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 10: called role play. It's not what you think. 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Kevin Pillar, former Major League outfielder who's spent 449 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: pretty good chunk of his twenty twenty four season when 450 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the Angels, had some pretty strong comments in reaction to 451 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: Artie's quote. Let's hear from Kevin Pilar me. 452 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 9: Winning is all fans should really do care about, and 453 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 9: that's a non negotiable, much like going to the field 454 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 9: and feeling safe and affordability. I mean, maybe the list 455 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 9: should have been like giveaways and concessions and things like that, 456 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 9: because I have no idea what he's talking about. I 457 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 9: mean the Angels. The Angels don't I don't think Arty 458 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 9: moreno realizes how great of an asset he has. You know, 459 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 9: I got a chance to play there, and it is 460 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 9: arguably one of the best places to play in baseball 461 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 9: southern California, you know, the Orange County. The weather's beautiful, 462 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 9: the fans are very passionate. I mean, he doesn't realize 463 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 9: what he has because if he really cared about winning, 464 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 9: it would be such a destination for players to want 465 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 9: to come and play it's just a matter of time. 466 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 9: He just needs to get rid of the team because 467 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 9: he really doesn't really care about the Angels. And obviously 468 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 9: franchise values are going way up right now. And I 469 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 9: think there was a quote he came out with the 470 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 9: other day that said he wasn't actively shopping, but I 471 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 9: think there's a lot of people interested in buying. So 472 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 9: hopefully someone just kind of blows him away with an 473 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 9: offer here soon and we could kind of move past 474 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 9: the story. 475 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: And Mark, considering Kevin Plarer was on Hardy's payroll just 476 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: two years ago, does his comments his reaction carry a 477 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: little more weight. 478 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 6: I think it does. He played, he put the uniform on, 479 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 6: and now he's in the position that we are talking 480 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 6: about this topic. He said the things that I think 481 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 6: most people would take away from that. I know a 482 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 6: tremendous amount of people, even in our male episode, we're 483 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 6: asking about the sale of the team. But you also 484 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 6: read the fact that already loves being an owner. Said 485 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 6: that in I think Jeff's article, in the Angel's article, 486 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 6: he loves being the owner of this baseball team. So 487 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 6: when I hear that, I'm not seeing someone who probably 488 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 6: know he is eighty or coming up on eighty, So 489 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 6: I don't know. I know his kids apparently want nothing 490 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 6: to do with the team, so that makes the most sense. 491 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 6: Across the fifty seven Freeway, the Ducks are doing huge things. 492 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 6: You can't not see that parking structure. They seem to 493 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 6: be pumping a lot of money into their product, and 494 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 6: so there are train tracks. This might be the other 495 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 6: side of the tracks situation. When I see affordability, does 496 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 6: that mean cheap? 497 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 498 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 6: Four for forty four? Where are those seats upper deck 499 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 6: beyond the foul pole. That's what I think. I think 500 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty six, cheap is not good. That's not good. 501 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 6: I know they put some money into the parking lot, 502 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 6: that's good, the diamond club seats and some other things. 503 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 6: I don't know about the ballpark food, but I do 504 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 6: know as a fan you go to Petco Park much 505 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 6: different experience. And for those million Twitter followers that Jeff 506 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 6: alluded to, I don't know what they want. If they 507 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 6: want cheap, maybe go watch the Quakes. But major leagues, 508 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 6: I'd like to see a little bit of everything improved 509 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 6: for the Angels. I know we mentioned a rebrand too, 510 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 6: Maybe that includes some access to the players, for the 511 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 6: people the tow credentialed media people that aren't given the 512 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 6: access because it's slim pickings on our end. And I 513 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 6: think that would be nice. A rebrand we could, you know, 514 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 6: our show many other places could be a good vehicle 515 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 6: for these, you know some opinions that I know. Zach 516 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 6: Nettle wasn't thrilled with the predictions I believe in your 517 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 6: article today. He said that, you know, that's what a 518 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 6: player should say that you know, I ignore the noise 519 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 6: and get to work. I did like his other comments 520 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 6: by in large on his plan this year, and so 521 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 6: it's uh, I don't know, cheap, I guess to echo 522 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 6: my point, if you're literally looking for cheap, there's one 523 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 6: way to do that. But in this day and age, 524 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 6: I think you got to you gotta have a better 525 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 6: product than just cheap. 526 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Question for any or all of you. When Artie says 527 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: what is the cost of winning right now? Does that 528 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: sort of undermine his claim that winning is a top priority. 529 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: I mean, it's what I just what I said earlier, 530 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 2: that he wants to win, I want to lose money, 531 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: and I think that he doesn't feel like right now 532 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 2: losing money is going to equate to winning. He feels 533 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 2: like losing money is just going to be losing more 534 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 2: money and they're still going to lose because he's looking 535 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: at you know, Rendown, Trout, all these lead Maybe that's wrong. Maybe, 536 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: you know, if you or I owned the team and 537 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: we were seventy nine years old, we would just say, oh, whatever, 538 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: I don't care. 539 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: I'll lose one hundred million. 540 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: Dollars will be good and I'll still be a billionaire. 541 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: But that's not the way he looks at it, you know. 542 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: And I can't say that's right and wrong. I'm not 543 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: in his shoes, but I think that that's the way 544 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 2: he looks at it. 545 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 4: Sam, go ahead, I just look at that, and I'm like, 546 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: you know, you know, yeah, just like that that meme 547 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: of like, oh, we're all trying to figure out who 548 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: did this. 549 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 5: You know, he did it. It's his fault that they're 550 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 5: this bad. 551 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 6: You know. 552 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: So maybe he doesn't want to lose any more money. 553 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 4: But then then Kevin Pillar's got a good point here, 554 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 4: which is okay, then just leave right, Like why are 555 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: we doing this year? You know, because this fan base 556 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 4: deserves a lot better than what they're getting. So I'm 557 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: not really worried about already making and losing money. If 558 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: I'm a fan, I'm not worried about it as a reporter, 559 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 4: and I don't think players, are the coaches or anybody's 560 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 4: worried about it except priority. And if he's if you know, 561 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 4: he's made I mean, what do you buy this team 562 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: for like one hundred and eighty million and it's worth 563 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 4: probably north of three billion now or close to. So 564 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: I'm not really worried about holding money. 565 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 6: Uh. 566 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 4: Hell, he's fine, you know. And I mean for this 567 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 4: franchise to be doing this, it's like it's just I 568 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 4: understand the TV deals. It's it's probably costing them something. 569 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: You know, it's probably costing them a lot of money, 570 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 4: I'm sure. But and this is a business, and you're 571 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 4: you're as a business, you're trying to make money. That's 572 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 4: that's all fair, it's all well and all good. But 573 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 4: his fault that they're this bad. And if he's not 574 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 4: interested in making the sacrifice is necessary to put a 575 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 4: winning product on the field, then get out at this point. 576 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 4: That's where that's I'm not calling him to do that. 577 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: I don't think it's my place. But I mean, if 578 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 4: you're not going to, then sure, I'll say that you're 579 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 4: not going to. If you're not going to do your 580 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 4: job put a winning product on the field, then I 581 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 4: don't think it's fair for anybody, because there's a lot 582 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: of fans here who are sick of hearing about two 583 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 4: thousand and two. I think it's a great time. There's 584 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of really special people that 585 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 4: were a part of that. But it's also been twenty 586 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 4: four years and I think it's time that there's a 587 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: there's another thing to celebrate around there. 588 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: Well, that leads right into my last question, and we'll 589 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: close the show with this. As we all know, already 590 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: put the team up for sale in August of twenty 591 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: twenty two, only to pull it off the market the 592 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: following January. I said on Friday that quote, he's not 593 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: shopping the team, but there's just a lot of people 594 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: wanting to buy a baseball team right now. Reading between 595 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: the lines, does anyone think already is just sort of 596 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: willing to sell right now if the right offer comes along. 597 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what that offer is. Maybe it is 598 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: north of three billion. If someone makes him an offer 599 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: that blows him away, do we think he could just sell. 600 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because he doesn't have As we mentioned on 601 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: the show before, his kids are not there's no succession plan. 602 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: He's going to be eighty years old this year. You know, 603 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: if he leaves the team, you know, in some kind 604 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: of trust, it's going to be somebody's gonna have to 605 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: sell it, and it's going to be a big problem 606 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,239 Speaker 1: and a big asshle to do that. 607 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: There's two things coming up. But there's a new CBA 608 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 3: and if they do get a. 609 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: Salary cap, which I doubt, but if they do get 610 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: whatever concessions they get could make the value even more. 611 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: So I think he's waiting on that. And the other 612 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: thing is there's expansion coming up, and when they have 613 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: expansion in twenty eight or whatever, everybody that owns one 614 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: of the current teams is going to get a huge chuck. 615 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: So I'm sure that he wants to wait for those 616 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: two things to happen. And at that point, I think 617 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: that he's probably a lot more likely to sell. 618 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,239 Speaker 4: So I probably agree with that. I mean, you know, 619 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 4: there's right now, you know. I mean, I think Angels 620 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: fans dream would be that he'd sell, But I mean 621 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 4: I agree with Letch in terms of the pragmatism of 622 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 4: waiting to kind of see some of these things play 623 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 4: out makes sense to me, and I think that would 624 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: probably be the timeline. And I do think that him 625 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 4: bringing up the second half of that quote where he 626 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 4: does say that there is a lot of interest in it, 627 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 4: is his probably way of letting people know, Okay, like 628 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 4: this is don't worry, someday I'll give this up. 629 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: Final thoughts at all? 630 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 6: Where are the TV games for spring training? 631 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: Fletch? You got anything on that? 632 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: Well, see, that's a situation where basically they could have 633 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: just punted like the other teams did and had MLB 634 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: produced and do the whole thing, and they would add 635 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: games on, but they would have lost a lot more money. 636 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 3: So that's a case where it's. 637 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: Just comes down to the bottom line, and already doesn't 638 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: want to lose any more money, so that's why they're 639 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,719 Speaker 2: trying to do what they're trying to do. 640 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: And any thoughts on the regular season? Is it prediction? Fletch? 641 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: We think go to the MLB dot Com. They're gonna 642 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: start their own network. What are you looking at? 643 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: I think they're just gonna end up. 644 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: MLB is gonna end up producing the games probably, I 645 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: don't know, they're still working on it, you know, ask 646 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: me another week or two. 647 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: But the game is definitely gonna be on, and they're 648 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: going to be on. Probably people that could watch them 649 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 3: before will. 650 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: Still be able to watch them as a matter of 651 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: who's going to produce them and how much money the 652 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: Angels are going to get out of it, But from 653 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: the fans perspective, it's going to be available just the 654 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 2: same as it was before. 655 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 4: I'm sure I'll be loves loves loves loves that they 656 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: get to be wait till the very last minute to 657 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 4: see if the Angels want to have them produce their 658 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 4: games for them, and you know, and again, like as 659 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: Fletcher just laid out, it's like, you know, this is 660 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: a couple extra bucks essentially that he's sacrificing, you know. 661 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 4: Uh And as a result, now fans can't watch the 662 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: spring training games. Now, I would never watch the spring 663 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: training game that I didn't have to in a million years. 664 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 4: But I think that baseball fans can like it, so 665 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 4: it's it sticks and uh, you know, like they'll they'll 666 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 4: be on when when when the bell rings. I'm sure, 667 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 4: at least I think I'm sure. 668 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it. For today's Halo Territory, 669 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: Thank you Jeff Fletcher and the Orange County Register, Sam Blama, 670 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: The Athletic, and Mark Trumbo, former Angel Slugger. Thanks for 671 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: joining us today. Please like and subscribe and we'll be 672 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: back next time on Halo Territory