WEBVTT - Ep. 38: Shake a Leg for Pike Minnows

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<v Speaker 1>It's an easy reaching fish feeling bait, chicken hook setting

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<v Speaker 1>rod holder that will leave you reeling from the feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an

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<v Speaker 1>order of magnitude larger than is needed to produce it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make fun of a store like

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<v Speaker 1>that's no fun. I want to make fun of an

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<v Speaker 1>individual like I want to hurt the feelings of a

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<v Speaker 1>single human. And a guy runs in, He's like, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a boat that's thinking. We need all hands

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<v Speaker 1>down on the dock. Good morning, de generated anglers, and

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Bend, the phishing podcast that refuses to wear

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<v Speaker 1>crocs but there's no problem using a y shaped stick

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<v Speaker 1>to support it's chunking rods. I'm Joe sph Mellie A.

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<v Speaker 1>Miles Nulty, and straight up, I'm I'm actually offended right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm full shit. Don't tell me, well, you wear crocs, crocks.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right that I like rocks, but that's that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the issue. That's not what I'm pissed about. I'm pissed

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<v Speaker 1>that you would make such a sweeping proclamation on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of our shared like team podcast or without any consultation,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's I didn't. I did not, and and yes

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<v Speaker 1>I rocked the hell out of some Crocs. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I used to guide the guy who started Crocs.

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<v Speaker 1>I am team Crocs all the way. Oh so do

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<v Speaker 1>you do you have Croc stock? Then I don't have stocking.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't needn't he ever, teen should have got in

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<v Speaker 1>on that early. Uh. Look, I'm not saying they're not comfy,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure they are, but they're just to me,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just so goofy looking. But I did I did

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<v Speaker 1>once to own a pair. I owned a pair of

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<v Speaker 1>Crocs flip flops, and they were super comfy. But every

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<v Speaker 1>time I wore them near water or on a boat,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like slip and blow my knee out every single time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, I can't. This is terrible. Your your spot.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not boat shoes, dude, They're not water shoes. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't get them wet or they turn into just like

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<v Speaker 1>they're hyper lubricated when they get wet, slip within it,

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<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense, Like the flip flop wouldn't come off,

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<v Speaker 1>My foot would just slide forward. Eat what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I have experienced it. I I'm with you on that

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<v Speaker 1>one point. And I don't care if they're goofy looking.

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<v Speaker 1>For the record, like I'm goofy looking most of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>so my footwear can totally match me. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just quickly add about myself though, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So my point is if I'm going to wear some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like technical, tactical looking shoe like that I

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<v Speaker 1>needed to be good on the water. If I can't,

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<v Speaker 1>if it has not like water shoes, you don't, i'd

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<v Speaker 1>wear them in the water. So if it has no

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<v Speaker 1>value there, then it's just then it's just they're not fashioned.

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<v Speaker 1>You where your water there, what you put on afterwards

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<v Speaker 1>to be comfortable, that's what they're for, all right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I did. I made the mistake of wearing them one

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<v Speaker 1>time when I was guiding and I almost fell out

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat and like lost my baby loft slides,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just never did that again. They're they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect sandals so long as you're not on the water.

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<v Speaker 1>They're after the water sandals. Okay, but they're not sandals.

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<v Speaker 1>Their cloths, come on, they're not sandals. They're clogs. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna kill whatever whatever, I'm not going to convince

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<v Speaker 1>you the crocs are like, it's like barely a step

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<v Speaker 1>above going to the grocery store in bedroom slippers, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, but look for I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even I didn't even want to get off on the crocs.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to I'm trying to coach into chunking sticks.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you on chunking sticks? Right? Yes, yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>choking sticks. Uh, Crocs make a specially good chunking shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>And while I won't so bad in anything but the

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<v Speaker 1>finest molded phone sandals, I'm not. I'm not actually that

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<v Speaker 1>picky about what I used to hold my rotten place.

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<v Speaker 1>While I'm doing it, I usually just prop it up

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<v Speaker 1>on some rocks. But I assume, I assume you have

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<v Speaker 1>some fancy holders for your chunking sticks. Uh, well I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I have sand spikes for surf fishing, but not for

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<v Speaker 1>freshwater chunking. Though I recently debated, I was on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading reviews. I debated buying a set of

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<v Speaker 1>expensive holders just for this purpose, and then I I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I had them in the cart. And then I came

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<v Speaker 1>to the realization that like God has provided all the

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<v Speaker 1>free and perfectly functional rod holders a boy could ever need.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I didn't buy them. And that's that's just

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<v Speaker 1>what I use. I mean, it's not something I do

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<v Speaker 1>a ton and they worked just fine. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know if you if you knew this about me,

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<v Speaker 1>But did you did you know that I love chunking,

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<v Speaker 1>like particularly in fresh water? Oh yeah, yes, we have

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<v Speaker 1>had this conversation. I know this about you. You were,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're a man of your your Polly map. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate that. Like I'm all in on aggressive angling. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>all about fly fishing and messing with the coolest lures

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<v Speaker 1>and such. But people who don't know this, I truly

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<v Speaker 1>get just as excited about chunking for catfish or gar

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<v Speaker 1>or both in and it shocks a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean that to say that they scoff

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<v Speaker 1>at it, but rather it's just the style of fishing

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<v Speaker 1>bores them to death, you know what I mean. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I I know a ton of dudes that they're all

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<v Speaker 1>about throwing frogs for both friends, but the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on a chunk for them has no appeal or

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<v Speaker 1>even forget the chunks, even just hanging a shiner under

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<v Speaker 1>a bomber for bass or pickerel. Sometimes I am just

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<v Speaker 1>in the mood to do it that way, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think watching a bomber dip is funny. Ship. Yeah, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't argue there's there's a childhood joy of seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a bomber twitch that I will never like. It is

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<v Speaker 1>ingrained in my soul. Yeah, And I got no issue

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<v Speaker 1>with chunking, although that is definitely a term that I

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<v Speaker 1>learned from you. I was thought of his cut bait

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<v Speaker 1>fishing that's chunking rolls on and it's it's not my

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<v Speaker 1>it's not my go to. It's not my favorite way

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<v Speaker 1>of fishing, but I've got I've got nothing against a

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<v Speaker 1>good soak. I will post up with some cut bait

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<v Speaker 1>for channel cats a couple of times a season and

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<v Speaker 1>have a great time. Fact is, I'm actually organizing my

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<v Speaker 1>first cat fishing trip the year right now with one

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<v Speaker 1>of my best buddies in the son. I think. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a really fantastic way to either fish with

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<v Speaker 1>kids or or get drunk near water and call it

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<v Speaker 1>fishing right now. No, it's good for both of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair. But I also think people assume you just

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<v Speaker 1>like huck a gob a bait anywhere and wait, and

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's so inaccurate, Like you still have to

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<v Speaker 1>put your time in figuring out exactly where you should

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<v Speaker 1>cast that bait in which baits I don't know work

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<v Speaker 1>best at what time of year and so on and

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<v Speaker 1>and chunking or cut bait fishing is one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>You can make it as complicated as you want, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. And I have always enjoyed tweaking

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<v Speaker 1>rigs and messing with different hook sizes, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care man like when a catfish picks up a bait

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<v Speaker 1>and that like that real starts to click or stick floats,

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<v Speaker 1>stands up and starts running. There's a both in under it.

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<v Speaker 1>That just ate a shad chunk. I'm fired up. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. I really don't. I throw zero shade at that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can I can get behind that. My only

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<v Speaker 1>question is do you do you happen to incorporate any

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful thirteen fishing products and do your chunking tour well?

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<v Speaker 1>It sure do, Miles, And thanks for asking. I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>used their saltwater line extensively to make sure my local

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<v Speaker 1>boat in population fears me uh, open green spinning rod,

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<v Speaker 1>the heaviest action they make, to be specific, paired with

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<v Speaker 1>the largest prototype X spinning reel they make. And if

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<v Speaker 1>this all sounds like a shameless plug, it is because

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<v Speaker 1>we love thirteen Fishing. We do. We actually a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, Bent is now proudly brought to you by

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<v Speaker 1>the good people of thirteen Fishing. Yes, I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>you all have already seen Joe testing its merit in

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple episodes of B Side Fishing, but probably

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<v Speaker 1>not this week because it's it's a fly fishing episode

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<v Speaker 1>this week with some pike. But generally we got the

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen going and we love them. Yes, this is true,

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<v Speaker 1>and thirteen does not make a fly rod, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say yet, maybe someday, you never know, because those dudes

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<v Speaker 1>are always busting out new badass designs rising us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they also do not make rod holders. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>too cool or too good to use a fork stick

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<v Speaker 1>to chunk like I do, we have a recommendation for

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<v Speaker 1>you this week. We actually do. That's that's actually true.

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<v Speaker 1>We're We're gonna we gonna switch gears. They're gonna move

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<v Speaker 1>into sale bin where we make fun of dumb fishing

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<v Speaker 1>ship people are selling in online classifiedes and pull you

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<v Speaker 1>to a product that will make you the terminator of

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<v Speaker 1>your local cat fishing scene. Why did you put the

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<v Speaker 1>hand to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>What you didn't have to be so hurtful with me,

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<v Speaker 1>so angry? So today's sale bin item sort of bucks

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<v Speaker 1>the norm for us here a bit. But it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just too ridiculous not to highlight and to be

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<v Speaker 1>completely honest, and I'm not trying to be that guy, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But I found this post probably more than a month ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and Miles and I both agreed this is a must do,

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<v Speaker 1>but it often just takes us a while to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of get caught up on potential sale bin items and

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<v Speaker 1>bar nominations and such. And in the time since then

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<v Speaker 1>and now, a bunch of you have also forwarded this

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<v Speaker 1>one along, and we thank you, but they're they're actually

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<v Speaker 1>there are too many of you to to give shout outs.

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<v Speaker 1>And technically I found it first, so but fair but fair,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could I could vouch for the accuracy of

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<v Speaker 1>that statement, because a lot of you have written in.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe did find it first. But the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>this particular one is unusual for us is that we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to shy away from products that are there, like

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<v Speaker 1>mass produced, were made to order. The fun of this

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<v Speaker 1>for us is finding old, used, weird junk that some

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<v Speaker 1>random person is trying to pawn off for better or worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Facebook now allows small time manufacturers that ship globally

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<v Speaker 1>to sneak their products into the local marketplace pages and

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part of stupid stuff like, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chillen Reel, which is another one that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you sent to us in case you visit. The

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<v Speaker 1>chillen Reel is a cheap ass beer couzy with like

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<v Speaker 1>this little post on the side that you can wind

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<v Speaker 1>fishing line around. I'm not even that thing basically just

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<v Speaker 1>makes fun of itself. There's nothing for us to say

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<v Speaker 1>totally yeah, like I don't have yeah, we didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to tear that up heart just like watch their own

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<v Speaker 1>content and it's it's it's just me yeah exactly, um.

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<v Speaker 1>But and then doing so, it's also like it's essentially

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<v Speaker 1>like if you're gonna make fun of that or this

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<v Speaker 1>thing today, it's like you're making fun of the store

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<v Speaker 1>selling hard souvenirs on the boardwalk in Jersey. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to make fun of a store like that's

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<v Speaker 1>no fun. I want to make fun of an individual

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<v Speaker 1>like I want to hurt the feelings of a single human,

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<v Speaker 1>not an entire operation. Um. Anyway, I'm sure many of

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<v Speaker 1>you have actually seen this by now, but we just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't stay away from the fish and chum. What's what's

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<v Speaker 1>with the the Why are all the names the same?

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that name, the fish and chum the chillen. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have an end in there, you're screaming gimmick

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It just and all of these make me

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<v Speaker 1>think of other stupid fishing gimmicks from the past, like,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the laser lure. It I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's some kind of a cheesy back story that

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna tell me to try and get me to

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<v Speaker 1>buy it. Hey, Brice, I wanted to ask you what

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<v Speaker 1>made you think of the laser lure. Well, the laser

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<v Speaker 1>lure is actually in the accent. It wasn't something I

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<v Speaker 1>intended to invent. I used down a gun store and

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<v Speaker 1>I had lots of fish tanks. I got a new

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<v Speaker 1>glock with the laser one and I shouned the glock

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<v Speaker 1>in the fish tank. Well, every fish we chase and

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<v Speaker 1>bite that dot, they bite a rock or bite sand.

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<v Speaker 1>But this isn't the laser lure. And before I get

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<v Speaker 1>into why the marketing for this product is just so ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, in fairness, the fishing chump could

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<v Speaker 1>actually be useful. The concept itself is not bad. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the picture. It's it's a plastic rod holder that's attached

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<v Speaker 1>to a flat brace with long velcro straps on each end,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's basically just a portable and removable rod holder.

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<v Speaker 1>You could strap it around a dock piling, or strap

0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it to a railing, or strap it to an ice

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<v Speaker 1>fishing bucket. You could. You could put this in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different places and it could be useful, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least moderately useful. But for some reason, that useful

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<v Speaker 1>attribute is not with the makers of the product chose

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<v Speaker 1>to promote. Uh no, not at all, though they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>actually they're promoting it as a holder you can strap

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<v Speaker 1>to your leg. And and in the key photo the

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<v Speaker 1>eye catcher, if you will, you see the lower half

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<v Speaker 1>of man sitting on a bench on a dock, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has a fish and chump strapped to each calf

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<v Speaker 1>with with rods extending from both right and I I

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<v Speaker 1>just find this to be so asinine, it's not even funny,

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<v Speaker 1>Like unless you're an old man that will stay seated

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<v Speaker 1>the entire day and we'll only need one rod. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't get it. And even in that, right, why

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<v Speaker 1>not strap the fish and chum to the arm of

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<v Speaker 1>your lawn chair? Why not use a stick in the dirt? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how much reaching effort is this really saving you? Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to a little Internet sleuthing though, this here's what

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<v Speaker 1>we learned. The fish and chum is actually not new.

0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.559
<v Speaker 1>It's been around for at least a decade. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know this because Miles foul into this total garage operation,

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<v Speaker 1>hack job infomercial that we assume was made by the

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<v Speaker 1>original inventor. And it's it's gold, right. I wish we

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<v Speaker 1>could play all two minutes and twenty seconds of this,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not going to do that. You look it

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<v Speaker 1>up yourself if you want. But but here's the opening

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<v Speaker 1>fishing jump fishing rod holder a unique fully adjustable like

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<v Speaker 1>mounted rod holder leg mounted the whole a portion of

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<v Speaker 1>slotted to adjust for right or left leg, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ball and cup arrangement locks it in at the desired angle.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're guessing what happened is that someone rediscovered this

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<v Speaker 1>product and either bought the patent or the patent was expired,

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<v Speaker 1>and they think they just resurrected and make a quick buck.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was terrible ten years ago and it's terrible now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hate to say it, but the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>that popped into my head was Forrest Gump. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm sorry, deficient show looks just like the

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<v Speaker 1>leg braces that little Forest had to wear. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>running and there's the swelling music and they fall apart

0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.520
<v Speaker 1>and the bullies are chasing him. That's all I could

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<v Speaker 1>think about. I was running. You think of Forest coming

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason. I think of the spears scene in

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<v Speaker 1>a Spentera two when he's got one in each leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything about the marketing for this product makes me cringe.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything about it is bad. Their website tagline, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>making this up. Their website tagline is it's an easy

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<v Speaker 1>reaching fish feeling bait, jicken hook setting rod holder that

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<v Speaker 1>will leave you reeling from the feeling. No no g

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<v Speaker 1>on the end of verbs, not one, but two exclamation

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<v Speaker 1>marks to cap off that juncto of a sentence. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole website for Fish and Chow is just chaos. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just utter chaos. I'm intrigued by bait jigging, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do, like twerk on the dock like that

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing you're you're sitting there and strapped your leg.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to use your hands to jig. You

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<v Speaker 1>just tap your foot. Oh man, you get a little

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<v Speaker 1>mouth harp going, and it's a whole thing. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>there was a video of that. Well, dude, I mean shit,

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<v Speaker 1>if you scroll through all the photos in that post,

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<v Speaker 1>they have one on a dude's leg that's sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>a very small boat and there are coolers and seeds

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<v Speaker 1>and all kinds of ships surrounding him. So like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>fine if you don't move from that exact position and orientation,

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<v Speaker 1>but you reach over to grab your Mr Pid right

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<v Speaker 1>or twist around for the bag of dill pickle sunflower seeds.

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<v Speaker 1>You got problems. Oh dill pickle seeds good, they are good.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that's they're delicious. They're almost as good as barbecue. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but what you also have is an entire boat gunnal

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<v Speaker 1>upon which rod holders can be easily mounted. Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty common, Like you have a boat you fish put

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<v Speaker 1>so it just makes no sound. It's like we it's

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<v Speaker 1>we are. We are all now dumber for having been

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to this, and may God have mercy on our souls.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how basically done this. Yeah. I really hope none

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<v Speaker 1>of you bought this and are patiently waiting for it

0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to arrive because we've kind of crushed your soul. But

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<v Speaker 1>come on, let's think about this. Remember those little little

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<v Speaker 1>holders that you could put on your your belt to

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<v Speaker 1>hold your rod for re rigging. Most had one, I think, Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't, that's because no one did, because they

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<v Speaker 1>never took off. No one had those Some people some

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<v Speaker 1>were like maybe, but no, no one bought one. And

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<v Speaker 1>why anyone thinks this leg brace holder is a good idea?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I've been wrong about lots of

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<v Speaker 1>things before, and maybe they'll sell millions and I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to admit how wrong I'm I don't know who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>But thanks again to everyone who sent this our way,

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<v Speaker 1>even even though Joe did technically find it first. And

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<v Speaker 1>as you guys continue finding ridiculous fishing ship for sale

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<v Speaker 1>on your favorite online classified sites, do please keep sending

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<v Speaker 1>those links to Bent at the meat Eater dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Now see, that product, in my opinion, is just another

0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.800
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that makes you that guy. And

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<v Speaker 1>fishing is it's it's full of such products. Though they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. They tend to come and go quickly. Um, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember he had the line cutter's ring. That was

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<v Speaker 1>I remember them well though, that's what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 1>know you wouldn't have one, but you remember him. And

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<v Speaker 1>I may wear creeks, but I did not have the

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<v Speaker 1>line cutter ring. I've seen a few of them on

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<v Speaker 1>fingers on the water and I'm like, there's that guy,

0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:33.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, there's like the dude. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's the dude at the shitty Park Lake casting a

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<v Speaker 1>lore with a water wolf camera in front of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and there he is. There's that guy. Guarantee, when that

0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.520
<v Speaker 1>guy goes offshore, he brings some zombait with him, some bait.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are other ways to be that guy in

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<v Speaker 1>fishing that do not require terrible gimmicky products. Uh. A

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, we're going to hear about one of

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<v Speaker 1>them in a Smooth Moves segment with a unique twist.

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<v Speaker 1>Normally the is a part of the show where we

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<v Speaker 1>let guides and captains tell us about idiotic things the

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<v Speaker 1>clients have done. But when we called Ja Siemens, he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can I tell you guys a story about something dumb

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<v Speaker 1>I did as a good and we were like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>yes you can. For those of you familiar with J

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube, he's incredibly knowledgeable, well spoken, super thoughtful, put

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<v Speaker 1>together angler, So it was it was actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>refreshing to hear that he's not immune to complete screw ups.

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<v Speaker 1>Why hanging out with us today? In the guide check,

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<v Speaker 1>we got our friend Ja Siemens, who's one of our

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<v Speaker 1>North of the North of the Border buddies that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't get to see these days. I know we miss you, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I just miss I want I miss Canada. Mad We

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<v Speaker 1>miss you too, You don't We're hurt without our American

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<v Speaker 1>friends up here. Fishing lodges are empty. Yeah, economically, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure that's true, but from uh traffic on the water standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet it's kind of nice. You're allowed to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jay were like, yeah, it was bad, as you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to say it. Fishing was good, The fishing was

0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 1>good last summer, Yeah, I bet it was. Uh. We

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<v Speaker 1>actually brought you here to tell us a story, and

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<v Speaker 1>and normally the smooth move story focuses on stupid things

0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>client do. But I think you're gonna tell us something

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.520
<v Speaker 1>stupid that you personally have done. So we're gonna switch

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<v Speaker 1>it up a little bit. What do you have for us?

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<v Speaker 1>I've done lots of stupid things all guiding, but this

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<v Speaker 1>one was. This one was in my first week of

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<v Speaker 1>guiding actually, and I I started guiding when I was sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so I didn't even have my drivers. My parents had

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<v Speaker 1>to drop me off of the fishing lodge and and

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<v Speaker 1>I got boated up and but that's a different part

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<v Speaker 1>of the story. But anyways, it was it was my

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<v Speaker 1>first week of guiding, and um, we had portash into

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<v Speaker 1>a lake that was about an hour boat right away

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<v Speaker 1>from the lodge, and it had been raining all day.

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<v Speaker 1>So we came back to the boat after I did

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<v Speaker 1>of fishing and there's a bunch of water in it.

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<v Speaker 1>And with tiller boats, often when you pull the dream

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<v Speaker 1>plug in the back, it pulls from the inside. So

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<v Speaker 1>if if you don't have a bill pump, then you

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<v Speaker 1>just pull the plug and it'll drain as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you're moving. So we finished our day of fishing. Awesome day.

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<v Speaker 1>Whileye fishing, hot back in the boat with my guests

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's whatever that our boat ride for boat

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<v Speaker 1>ride back to the lodge, and I pulled the plug

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<v Speaker 1>and it drains out perfectly, and I'm like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>is great, get back, get back to camp, tie the

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<v Speaker 1>boat up, and go up to the dining hall and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm eating with all the other guides and talking about

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<v Speaker 1>our day, and a guy runs in. He's like, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a boat that's sinking. We need all hands

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<v Speaker 1>down on the dock. And I'm just like, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder whose boat it is. I wonder what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling so awful for whoever, whoever this is, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what went wrong. So I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm genuinely concerned for whoever this is. And we started

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<v Speaker 1>walking down to the dock and sixteen year old Jay's

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<v Speaker 1>heart just sinks and I'm just like, that's that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my dock slip that's that's there's no boat there. That's

0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 1>where my boat is supposed to be. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>pulled the plug, I never put it back in. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's all the senior guide standing around me there and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, okay, J, well you gotta put the plug

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<v Speaker 1>back in the boat and we'll try to like use

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<v Speaker 1>it a sub pump and pump it out. So I

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<v Speaker 1>jump into the lake full clothe and I put the

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<v Speaker 1>plug in. We're able to lift it up, like just

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of the cowling was showing and there's like

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<v Speaker 1>tackle boxes floating and stuff. Man, so it was like

0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:18.359
<v Speaker 1>it was it was yeah, it wasn't a good scene.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh we got the boat up and feeling a

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<v Speaker 1>little better and like, okay, J it's time to go

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<v Speaker 1>tell tell the owner. And I'm like, where is he

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<v Speaker 1>right now? He's like always having having dinner with his

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<v Speaker 1>wife in the in the dining room. So I go

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<v Speaker 1>in there, just dripping wet, looking like a wet rat.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went and told them what happened, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was so good about it, but it was just

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those stories. And I don't even know

0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:42.680
<v Speaker 1>how the story spread, but my first day of high

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<v Speaker 1>school I come into gym class and the teachers like, Jayson,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you sunk a both this summer, can you

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 1>tell the class? So just instantly it's just the story

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<v Speaker 1>spread and I had to tell everybody, And now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling the mediator listeners, and it's just like, man, so

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<v Speaker 1>I sunk a boat. A few a few thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 1>For one, getting dropped off by your parents to guide

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<v Speaker 1>is way cooler than getting dropped off to bus tables,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what my parents are dropping me off to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So good on that. But also I think, like, look, look,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody knows there's like sort of like the whole like

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<v Speaker 1>Canadians are so much nicer than people down here, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you were that was like a lodge in Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction for the owner like would not have been

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<v Speaker 1>the same. So so good on that too. For just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all right, I'm glad. It's kind of amazed that

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<v Speaker 1>you kept your job. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised I

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<v Speaker 1>got hired back a second year, that's for sure. That

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the only mess up. But oh yeah, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>they got the motor running they had to bring into

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<v Speaker 1>the shop and pump the water and stuff. But they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to buy new motors, so that was a plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Well if it if it makes you feel better, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>admit to having done the same thing to drain alive

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<v Speaker 1>well on my boat up on plane. It drained right out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I forgot about that, and then got a

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<v Speaker 1>call the next day that my boat was listing, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course I was two hours away from my boat,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, well, just unlisted. Do what you

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.280
<v Speaker 1>gotta do, and they like, yeah, but they caught it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know that pain. I know that pain. Catch

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<v Speaker 1>U up on you quick. And now I feel superior

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<v Speaker 1>to both of you because I'm the only one on

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<v Speaker 1>this call who never sunk about Good for me, Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>a lunch. We appreciate you humbling yourself in public for

0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 1>all of our entertainment. No problem. You can laugh at

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:24.640
<v Speaker 1>my expense. So my favorite part of that is when

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.159
<v Speaker 1>he said he felt so bad for the guy whose

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<v Speaker 1>boat that sank. It's it's yeah, It's like it's like

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.959
<v Speaker 1>you know those announcements at Walmart's like attention customers. If

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you're the owner of a red RAB four license plate

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, what's that about? What happened to

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.120
<v Speaker 1>the rav they're getting towed? And then one day you're

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<v Speaker 1>barely paying attention because you're debating which flavor of cool

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>aid to buy for your catfish paint, and it's like, oh, ship,

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>that's they're talking about my truck, Drop everything and run.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Jay's response felt very Canadian to me. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean that in a in a dismissive or

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<v Speaker 1>I hope not offensive way. I think sixteen year old

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:07.200
<v Speaker 1>boys in general are completely self centered jerks, and they're

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 1>so generally insecure that they're quick to revel in anyone

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.919
<v Speaker 1>else's mistake because it deflects from their own screw ups,

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Absolutely, And I assume that

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<v Speaker 1>most American sixteen year olds in that situation be thinking,

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, what a jackass? What kind of dumb

0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.360
<v Speaker 1>guide sixes own boat at the dock, But they're sixteen

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.000
<v Speaker 1>year old jays like, oh gosh, I sure feel bad

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>for that poor guy. I hope his gears okay, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that. How many times have we said on

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<v Speaker 1>this show and I'm sure we're gonna say it again,

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Canadians are just nicer than we are. That is fact,

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they are nicer. They're just better human beings. Generally, I

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 1>think that's true. Generally, I do think that's true. But

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I think we're also waiting into into into muddy waters here.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's enough of the cultural stereotypes. Let's pull the

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>plug on our current events, live well and to see

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>what's flopping around the bottom. Grab the easiest targets. It's

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>time for fish news. Fish news. That escalated quickly. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're we're shaking it up a bit for news

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<v Speaker 1>this week, kind of buy listener requests. So ever since

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.479
<v Speaker 1>um Netflix documentary C Spiracy has dropped, we have just

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<v Speaker 1>been inundated, have we not Miles with people going what

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>is the deal with this? Have you boys seen this?

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 1>And is this bullshit? So it took us time to

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<v Speaker 1>finally sit down and watch it, which we have. And

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, Miles and I could just prattle on about

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<v Speaker 1>this and and and and give our thoughts and our opinions,

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.119
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's fair to say it was an

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<v Speaker 1>impactful enough documentary enough people are talking about it from

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>all different angles that just having us blab on about

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>it and say some funny things, it's not gonna do

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it justice we we really wanted to take a deep

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 1>dive into this, and I know a lot of you

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>guys are are interested in this, so um, yeah, I

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 1>mean we're going We're going, go ahead. I'm sorry to

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>cut you off, but like we could, we could just

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>give our semi informed but not really deeply informed opinions,

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>but lots of that's kind of the problem that we

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<v Speaker 1>see with the film itself. So rather than just recreating

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>the issues going on, we we dug into our deep, deep,

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>deep bench of meat eater in house talent to help

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<v Speaker 1>us kind of parse this out and draw some conclusions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're not doing the multiple news story thing today.

0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Our entire news is devoted to to c spiracy, so

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.479
<v Speaker 1>it's not really a competition, though. I challenge Phil at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of way in on and tell us what

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 1>his favorite shark is. No, that's what we want from

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you today, um and why and why exactly? And I

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>will I would just say, and before we move along

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<v Speaker 1>here that I was turned off as soon as the

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaker in the beginning said he's always been fascinated by

0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>whales and dolphins, not like sharks and barracuda. So right

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>then and there, I was like, I could just I

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.719
<v Speaker 1>see where this is going. So um, we have some guests, Miles.

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<v Speaker 1>Who who's joining us today one of our esteemed editors

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and colleagues, Sam Longdren. Sam has been on this show

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>before and giving us his his background. Sam actually has

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>some experience working as a commercial fisherman, so Sam's got

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>some unique perspective there. And we also have Steven Klobascher,

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>who if you pay attention to our our our fishy

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>content on the website, you will know that name because

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Steven is one of our regular contributors. He's a post

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>doctoral candidate at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks in in fisheries.

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Fisheries biology is all right, Stephen, do have that? So

0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 1>he He's going to come in from a and and

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of look at the science and the facts there

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.679
<v Speaker 1>in ways that Joe and I just aren't qualified to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So really excited to hear what you guys have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and then at the end we'll just have a conversation

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and see what comes up. Sam, Please, the floor is yours.

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>What do you have to say? What do you want

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>us to know about C spiracy? Well, now, I think

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of what you need to know about c

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>spiracy comes in about the first minute, so literally a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of minutes into the film, the director and host

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<v Speaker 1>Allee tow Breezy hits us with a motion graphic of

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>a whale taking a giant watery dump, along with the

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>following statement quote. When whales and dolphins returned to the

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>surface to breathe, they fertilize tiny marine plants in the

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>ocean called phytoplankton, which every year absorbed four times the

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>amount of carbon dioxide that the Amazon rainforest does and

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 1>generates up to eight of the oxygen we breathe. So

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<v Speaker 1>in a world concerned with carbon and climate change, protecting

0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>these animals meant protecting the entire planet. The way I

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>saw it was if dolphins and whales die, the ocean dies,

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<v Speaker 1>and if the ocean dies, so do we end quote.

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>So individual parts of that may be accurate planked in

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 1>our plants, so they do absorb carbon and produce oxygen.

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Cetacean feces certainly fertilize these microscopic bio communities, but they're

0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>hardly the only source of nutrients. However, Tabreezi is general

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 1>bent and phrasing seems to imply that A plus B

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<v Speaker 1>equals see, or that we are only able to live

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and breathe because of marine mammals, which leaves the discerning

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>viewer wondering what other information in this film is complete?

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Whale ship? Yeah, doesn't he drop a stat in there

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that of the oxygen we breathe comes basically from from

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>whale dukey something like that? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, he

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>does not the trees or leaves or anything, just that. Yeah.

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh So it turns out there's a lot of inform

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>information in here, and I'm gonna let Stephen break down

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>all the science he shipped here in a minute, but

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>first credit where credit is due. C Spiracy does point

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 1>out some real glaring issues with the health of our oceans,

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 1>including climate change, pollution, plastic refuse, and over fishing, and

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>then beyond over fishing, like it shows that there's real

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>slavery and murder and piracy and just rape and pillage

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and awful ship on the high sea ease. And you know,

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I knew a lot of that stuff. I imagine you

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>guys did too. This has been receiving coverage forever, but

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>it's also pretty isolated to like Eastern Africa and Southeast Asia.

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 1>In places that you know, we as Americans don't have

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of impact on. And you know, if if

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>if people didn't know about that stuff previously then Saucy

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>spiracy and found out, then good, that's that's great, it's

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>it's it's helpful that people are learning these things. But

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>like you know, you should continue to educate yourself through real,

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>reputable publications, not whatever that film was. So you're not

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>saying that doesn't happen, because it does in other countries.

0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>But he sort of framed it like this is the

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>commercial fishing industry as a whole exactly exactly. It paints

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 1>with a really broad brush and and I'll get into

0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that in a minute, but you know, ultimately on on

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>on the premise that Earth socians are not as healthy

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.160
<v Speaker 1>as they could be and that real action is needed

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>to solve these crisis. Like Steve and I we tend

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to agree with c spiracy, But the problem is, like

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>their their conclusion is that we need to become vegan

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to solve all these problems, and on that we we

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 1>tend to differ. And that's the essential problem with C

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>spiracy and for me and for a lot of other people.

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>By the end, you realize the whole point that the

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>whole film was designed to drive viewers toward an understanding that,

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>because of the poor health of our oceans, is no

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>longer ethical to eat fish at all, or any other

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>animal products for that matter. And here here's another indicative

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>comment about sustainable fisheries that comes towards the end of

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the film from Dr Richard open Lander, who is a

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>dentist and activist and a vegan food producer, so he

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have any dog in this fight. Quote. They make

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>it appear on paper as if eating, on one hand,

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 1>sustainably produced salmon is better than killing a blue fin

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>tuna and therefore creates a justification in the eyes of

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the consumer. But that's like essentially saying that it's more

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>sustainable to shoot a polar bear than shooting a panda. Women. Reality,

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 1>neither one is sustainable and neither one is right to do.

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>End quote. Oh that's scene. I'm sorry, but that scene

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:19.520
<v Speaker 1>because you're the cartoon of each of those bears and

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like the red blood come down over it. Yeah, well,

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the front stat and I think we haven't mentioned yet,

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>like what hits you very early on? Is there suggesting

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>what is it by if we if we keep going,

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>there will literally be nothing left living in the ocean

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>or or nothing that we can we can we can

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>catch and feed ourselves with. Yeah, they like they like

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that that one a lot. And uh and Steven's got

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>some stuff coming up for you about how that is

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 1>complete whale ship if you will. But first, you know,

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I have to address the sustainable fisheries part. And and like,

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is completely anecdotal from my experience, but

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, you know it's an American American

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>fisheries are managed based on science at the very least.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can have your own definitions of stays

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>to sustainability, and Stephen will discuss that. But I just

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>want to tell everybody what I saw as a as

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a commercial fisherman, as a young man working in Alaska.

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I spent a good portion of my young adult life

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 1>working on on salmon um boats or shooting polar bears. Um.

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>If you follow follow off in landers analogy and millions

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>of them too. Um. But you know I wasn't pressed

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>into that service. I hustled my ass off to get

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>that job. There was nearly zero by catching our salmon

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>saying behind besides jellyfish um, which those populations are not

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>like doing badly in that area, and what few rockfish

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and uh kelt greenlings and salmon sharks that did turn

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>up in our saying we're always turned back alive, although

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>that did get pretty rowdy with salmon sharks a few times. UM.

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>And you know, they talked so much about how the

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>biggest problem with commercial fishing is the abandoned nets, the

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>abandoned waste that comes from it, That of the plastic

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and the Great Pacific garbage Patch is commercial fishing gear.

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>But man, I don't know a single commercial fisherman in

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.719
<v Speaker 1>all my years living in Alaska who had abandoned their

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand dollar net that they've spent years working on.

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just it's just no one would ever

0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>even think about that. I'm not saying that trash doesn't

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 1>exist out there, but just for people who haven't seen it.

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>The other argument they're making, we hear about microplastics and

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>bottles and garbage, and basically they're trying to say none

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>of that is really a problem at all. The majority

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>of the plastic out there is discarded commercial fishing gear.

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.279
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and what a step should we understand that

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>what a step back for like the enviro mental movement.

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>And that was one of the most comical things in

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the film is how he went into all those uh,

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.960
<v Speaker 1>those nonprofits in California who are trying to reduce you know,

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 1>single use plastics and stuff, and he's like, you're not

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 1>doing anything. All your work is useless and garbage, and

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like what we're we're trying to help. I don't know.

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 1>It felt like he was really backstabbing some natural allies

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 1>he might have had. Well, what he was trying to

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 1>say was that the reason they won't come out against

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 1>nets is because they're all secretly backed by the commercial

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>fishing industry. And I don't I don't know if that's

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>true or not. You know, he didn't seem to offer

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of real proof there, but

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:40.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe it maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:44.760
<v Speaker 1>But in terms of sustainable fisheries, you know, every salmon

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>we caught went straight from the net into a refrigerated

0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 1>seawater hole, and then at the end of the day

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 1>we would deliver those fish out of our hold into

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a tender vessel where they also went into refrigerated seawater

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and those tenders would run all night to processing facilities

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>back into town own. And I mean, and this is

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 1>not like an unregulated frontier bonanza as commercial fishing is

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.720
<v Speaker 1>portrayed in the film. Like, we listened to daily radio

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>broadcasts from the Alaska Department of Fishing Game regarding which

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 1>areas would be open the next day, and you know,

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and that was completely based on fish delivery reports, reports

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>from the previous day and spotter plane observations. So a

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:27.919
<v Speaker 1>d F and G was always aware of how many

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>fish are being caught, how many fish are coming into

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Prince William Sound. And they also had a pretty good

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 1>idea like where those fish were going. So if there's

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>certain basins that were under escaping, they would close massive

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>areas around there so those creeks would get enough salmon

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>coming back. And man, like, I did a lot of

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>exploring when I was up there, and I saw a

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of creeks that were so thick with salmon you

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 1>could literally like if you wanted to walk across the

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>creek on those on those fish, and then the bay

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>in front of the preek would be filled with tens

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of thousands of more fish. And so just like the

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 1>biomass up there is just incredible. And then you know,

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the last summer I was up there, I was there

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>for the largest pink salmon run in history ever recorded

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>in Prince william Sound, higher than it had ever been

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 1>since they were measuring that kind of thing. And I mean,

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty good sign of sustainability when you're actually

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 1>getting more fish year after year. I mean, there's a

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of different factors at play here, and not all

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 1>sand and species are doing that well. But you know,

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it's something that I could feel proud of, and I

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.400
<v Speaker 1>think is indicative of how a lot of American and

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Canadian fisheries are managed. Um that there's a lot of science,

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of restraint, and you can you can

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>expect a product that was harvested in a pretty conscientious manner,

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>but you can't reasonally expect the same fishing practices from

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of the world, like and

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and and the stuff that's not labeled, like you really

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like if you order a bucket of popcorn

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>shrimp Popeye's chicken, as I did and immediately regretted last weekend,

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>it's likely that meat came from unmanaged fishing or delatious acquaculture,

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>or maybe it didn't, but you can find out you

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>picked the wrong dipping sauce, because that's delicious anyway. It

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>was late at night, it was all they had left.

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>But you can find out in a lot of those

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>situations through websites for the Marine Stewardship Council and the

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Monterey Bay Aquarium UM, which also include labels on a

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of fish products, but simpler still in restaurants and

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>at fish deli counters like I would really encourage people

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>to only purchase fish that was wild caught in America

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>or Canada because that's something I believe that you can

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>feel good about. But best of all, you can just

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>catch and eat the damn fish yourself like to do.

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Of course, that's our overarching message here. Yeah, I do

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>think it is fair to note that if you look

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>at a lot of of c spiracy like he does

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>not spend a lot of time on American boats. I mean,

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>most of what they're showing you is practices in other countries.

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>There's similarities on the East Coast here with the bluefin season,

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and bluefin play a large part in that. But these

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>guys literally don't know any given day whether they'll be

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 1>able to go tomorrow because it's so heavily monitored, and

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the quota is so heavily monitored that can shut down

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 1>at at any any point in the season. I was

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of intrigued at Miles. I'm sure you were too,

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 1>by the amount of fact checking data sources that popped up.

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's sort of a little a little trick to

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>make your your information sound more realistic and researched and

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>throughout the more valid. Right, So throughout the entire documentary,

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>every fact that he puts up, there's the very small,

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.560
<v Speaker 1>hard to read source where that information came from. And

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Steve and I believe you've you've taken a little dive

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>into you've broken down some of those, uh those sources

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>and and and can enlighten us on some of those, Yes,

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I have, And I can't go into every single one

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.919
<v Speaker 1>of the claims, but I just touching on a couple

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.799
<v Speaker 1>of main ones where they build the rest of their

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:31.719
<v Speaker 1>premise and argument off the information that it's wrong to

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 1>begin sum So the Sam stated, you know, there's obviously

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:39.920
<v Speaker 1>issues with the world ocean, but we really need to

0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.160
<v Speaker 1>be aware of how those are presented and so not

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:47.800
<v Speaker 1>going into anything that would be opinionated too much or anything.

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>But the big thing from this film is that they

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>present no solution rather than there's the one don't eat fish,

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>just stop eating fish. Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, as

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Sam mentioned, you know, eating us wild caught. That goes

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.719
<v Speaker 1>a long way, along with other things. But for me,

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 1>as a science minded person, you know, I always go

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>back to the data. You know, what did the data

0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>tell us, rather than just accepting a blanket statement with

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a very small sourced information in the corner that you

0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:28.880
<v Speaker 1>can't read. And so once you start digging into the data,

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of where bascets of the movie start to

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>fall apart, namely that no fishing is sustainable or that

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.879
<v Speaker 1>there's no way to define sustainable fishing, and that all

0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>fish stocks in the ocean could collapse by So a

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>large part of the film is based off these beliefs,

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and that builds the further lines of questions and investigation.

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.759
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is, and this goes to something that

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>is referred to as Brandolini's law, or the difficulty in

0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>refuting bullshit. So that law sta the amount of energy

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>than is needed to produce it. Pans are not only wrong.

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>So here in lanes the problems the front center that

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:28.719
<v Speaker 1>all fisheries would collapse. That is a myth that is

0:42:28.800 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 1>based on one small part of one much larger study

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six, and that basically amounts to

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>more or less a lazy extrapolation of data. So in

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 1>that study, a small part of it there is um

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>the researchers were looking at some recent catch numbers from

0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:57.359
<v Speaker 1>a few declining fish population at that time, and then

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>they just extrapolate and draw the line out. Well, if

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.359
<v Speaker 1>you have a declining line, eventually that line is going

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:09.839
<v Speaker 1>to hit zero, right, And this caused a big ship

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.439
<v Speaker 1>storm in the fisheries world back then and beyond, and

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:15.959
<v Speaker 1>and really it was that big headline that was picked

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>up by the media and spread throughout the news outlet,

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>and so many other scientists refuted this claim and had

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.879
<v Speaker 1>the data to back it up. And so a couple

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>of years later after this, the authors and other scientists

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>went back and forth. They came out with a new

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 1>study in two thousand nine, which included some of the

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>same scientists from the study that was produced in two

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.839
<v Speaker 1>thousand six that made that original claim, and those scientists

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 1>they looked at a hundred sixty six fish populations at

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the time and came to the conclusion that, you know,

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the ocean fish stocks are not on a path photo collapse,

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and they've actually been stable over the last twenty years.

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 1>But once the bullshit gets out there, it's hard to

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>get rid of us. So over the last fifteen years,

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>again and again, the same idea that fisheries are going

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to collapse resurfaces, and it's a catchy headline and doom

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and gloom kind of thing, but it's just not true. Um.

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>And so more recently a study out of the University

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 1>of Washington examine eight two fish stocks, so much more

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>than the previous study in two thousand nine that refuted

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the claim, so even more data their backup that that

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 1>research of the fisheries that were considered even over fish

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine had improved, and overall sixty of

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the world's fisheries are not over fish, and that accounts

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 1>for eight of all seafood. And so there are regional issues,

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>there's illegal harvest, human rights issues within the fishing industry,

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>but by and large, managed fisheries are sustainable, and so

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a big difference between fishery that are managed in

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the US and areas where they're not managed in the

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 1>high seas or developing countries. But it's been shown time

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and time again by the world leading marine fisheries researchers

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>fisheries can in fact be sustainable. In the film, the

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 1>example that the European Commissioner for Maritime Affairs and Fisheries

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>uses is a great analogy basically that if you have

0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 1>some capital in the bank and you're only spending the

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>interest gained off of that capital, you will be sustainable

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>into perpetuity. Same idea when it comes to fisheries. As

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>another argument against sustainable fisheries, filmmakers bring in the issue

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>of fisheries by catch and the stand mentioned you know,

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 1>it might not be a big of an issue, and

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it's it certainly happens, and it's a varying degrees and

0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>varying impacts depending on situation. But the idea that forty

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 1>percent of all catches thrown back as bycatch is incorrect,

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and that comes down to semantics again, and one singular

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 1>study that makes the play so the United Nations Food

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:19.360
<v Speaker 1>and Agriculture organization. The widely accepted terminology and definition of

0:46:19.400 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>bycatch is the total catch of non target animals by

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:28.839
<v Speaker 1>catch HAP. But bycatch can either be used or turned

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:33.279
<v Speaker 1>back with no further harm or discarded and you know

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 1>slow levels mortality. In two thousand nine, there was a

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 1>group of people working with some NGOs that decided that

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>they were going to redefine the word by catch, so

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not just the total catch of non target animals.

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Those authors in that study used that bycatch is catch

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>that is either unused or unmanaged, and so not to

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 1>get too far in the weeds, but essentially, if there's

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:06.320
<v Speaker 1>a fishery that's unmanaged, all that fish would be considered

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>by catch for their coaltation. It got it. That's an

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 1>important piece of information when looking at those numbers, right,

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 1>and so just as an example of that, you know,

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 1>some of the information used to get to that, it's

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 1>information from a in a bottom trall fishery in India

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 1>where there were some instances of illegal nets, you m

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 1>in their regard to that. Therefore, all the catch from

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 1>the bottom trawl fishing was considered by catch. So it's

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 1>just consulates the numbers and discards bycatch it's an unfortunate

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>reality of the global food system. Whether fishing or farming,

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:58.479
<v Speaker 1>there is some level of waste, but it's much more

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:03.400
<v Speaker 1>like ten P than But the idea that you know

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:09.240
<v Speaker 1>data from was irrelevant too, was relevant in two thousand nine,

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:13.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's still relevant today. And that's a red flag

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:17.400
<v Speaker 1>in and of itself, you know, And just as another

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:20.359
<v Speaker 1>example of that, you know, when they state that two

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 1>d fifty thousand sea turtles are killed in the US annually,

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:30.920
<v Speaker 1>that's data from two thousand. It may have been true

0:48:30.960 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 1>to some degree at that point, but it's important because

0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that spurred the development and advancement of fisheries. Oh, we

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 1>have a problem where managed fisheries. Let's fix this problem.

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>So those fisheries have developed things called turtle excluder devices

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 1>on their net. So more recently turtle deaths are down

0:48:54.960 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>to only annually, and turtle populations by and large are increased. So,

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've got a piece of paper that says

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I have a PhD. But I don't need that to

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 1>tell you that four thousand is a little bit less

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>than two. Yeah, So I mean it looks I think

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 1>we have There are a lot of ways, thank thanks

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to both of you guys that were able to refute

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:23.680
<v Speaker 1>some of the the quote unquote factual claims here and

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's important to parse out and to

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 1>look at. But I gotta say, like, personally, from from

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:33.320
<v Speaker 1>my perspective as a journalist, as a writer, uh my, my,

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>My maiden objection to this film is the sophomoric approach

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that takes to to storytelling, right. Like, the analogy I

0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>have for this is that it reminds me of a

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>ninety minute visual version of of that the intro to

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:49.279
<v Speaker 1>college writing persuasive essay, you know that we all had

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 1>to write like so the filmmaker picked the topic that

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 1>he was like personally an emotionally invested in, and he

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 1>did some research and he came to a sweeping and

0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 1>impassioned conclusion. And I'm familiar with this because I read

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot. I read a lot of these essays when

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I taught writing one of one, and many of them

0:50:05.760 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 1>spoke in uh equal moral certainty about the legalizing of

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 1>marijuana and that being the answer to all of society's problems,

0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 1>from social inequity to climate change. And kind of similar

0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 1>to those essays, there are seeds of ideas in here

0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 1>with which we all agree. I agree, you agree like

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:27.720
<v Speaker 1>all those things that Sam brought up, that Stephen brought up, Uh,

0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.840
<v Speaker 1>that many of us have brought their major problems, and

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:33.640
<v Speaker 1>and all of these are valid and need to be

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 1>addressed and looked at and given some attention. We all

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:42.080
<v Speaker 1>agree with that. But to land on the conclusion that's

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 1>simply ceasing to eat all seafood is the answer to

0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>all of these problems and we'll create some global panacea.

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 1>It straight. It strikes me as just as erroneous as

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>claiming that legal weed will make us the utopic states

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of America. I just like, I see so many corallarias

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 1>there and it feels so similar to me. He he

0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.279
<v Speaker 1>came in with with fact toys that like are just

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 1>so bizarre. But it's like you say, the one oh

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:10.560
<v Speaker 1>one style of essay writing, it's sort of like, well

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:12.040
<v Speaker 1>it will help us. Just throw that in there too,

0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 1>Just throw that in there. You just throw that in there. Like,

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Like one of my favorites was that, uh, fish moving

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:20.920
<v Speaker 1>throughout the water column constantly regulates the temperature of the ocean.

0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So if there are no fish moving throughout the water column,

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>now that is a big reason why the ocean is

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 1>warming and we're having more hurricanes and all this stuff. Yet,

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 1>like if if you know fish, and Stephen backed me up,

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:36.480
<v Speaker 1>but if you look at most ocean fisheries, it's all

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:40.839
<v Speaker 1>relatively inshore, like very like most most of the fish

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 1>live pretty close to the continental shelves or or close

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 1>to land. Like if you go out in the dead

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.760
<v Speaker 1>center of the Atlantic Ocean, like there's not a whole

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff just swimming around out in the middle

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of the ocean. So that one just caught me as

0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of like really, man, like, you're gonna tell people

0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that fish moving around in the ocean regulates the temperatre

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:01.880
<v Speaker 1>or the ocean to the point where it will warm

0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 1>too much. If they're not, it's just let's forget about

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the golf stream and weather and the coreolis effect. Like

0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, yeah, dude, you know the stripers swim

0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 1>up and down, it gets warmer and cold, you know.

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.839
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not even saying that there's not some like

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:19.680
<v Speaker 1>minor like like itty bitty fact in there somewhere, But

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 1>those are the kinds of things he just threw out

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 1>as supportive of his claim, And it's like, what are

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you talking about man. So I did a bunch of

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 1>reading on elsewhere on this and I'm gonna I want

0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.680
<v Speaker 1>to quote from this article that I found in Hakai magazine,

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 1>which I think does a really good job of summing

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.960
<v Speaker 1>up my personal perspective on this film. It was written

0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:40.200
<v Speaker 1>by a guy named Josh Silberg, and and he wrote

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>quote in his search around the World for one Villain

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 1>behind all the oceans Ills. Too Breezy reduces a complex

0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 1>tangle of social, political, and environmental factors into one simple

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 1>narrative as he cues ominous music and tells stories and generalities.

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Too Breezy glosses over nuance. Though the film misleads viewers

0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 1>with over simplified science, it's real harm is that it

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.840
<v Speaker 1>ignores the history, culture, and systemic inequalities that are entwined

0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>with ocean conservation. The film is right that there are

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>real problems in the ocean and have been for years,

0:53:11.640 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 1>but Too Breezy seems to constantly be alluding to the

0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 1>fact that there's some cover up. That conspiracy mindset is

0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 1>a common theme throughout and and personally I could not

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 1>agree with with sober more and in that way, I

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think c spiracy is very much a product of our time, right,

0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:34.160
<v Speaker 1>It's it it resonates to me with so much of

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 1>our media. That's that's cloaked in this this political theater, right,

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:41.080
<v Speaker 1>We're we're inundated with these stories about clear and obvious

0:53:41.200 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>heroes and villains and equally clear and obvious and simple

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:50.760
<v Speaker 1>solutions to our problems if not for some deeply entrenched

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:55.799
<v Speaker 1>and shady conspiratorial entity who's supposedly manipulating all of us

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:57.800
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes to ruin our lives and our planet.

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:01.600
<v Speaker 1>But the problems are more called you than that. That's

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 1>just there is that that doesn't fit right, And so

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Soberg concludes his criticism by saying, had to Breezy looked

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 1>into any of these issues in greater depth, he'd found

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that journalists have been covering these sorts of stories for

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:16.680
<v Speaker 1>years without glossing over the nuance. The point being, for

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 1>me personally, these these issues have been under scrutiny by

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.839
<v Speaker 1>experts and scientists and researchers and writers for a really

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:26.520
<v Speaker 1>long time. And what I want all of us to

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>ask ourselves is what makes more sense? Does it seem

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>more plausible that some twenty seven year old with a

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>camera and a love of whales and no actual training

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 1>cracked some long hidden vault of truths being suppressed by

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 1>all right of governments and industry and conservation organizations and

0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 1>media outlets. They're all conspiring to kill the ocean for profit?

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Or does it make more sense that these are actually

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 1>just really complicated problems and that many people are working

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:58.960
<v Speaker 1>their assets out to figure out viable solutions with difficult

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:01.840
<v Speaker 1>set of constraints. I personally am going to go with

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the ladder as making a hell of a lot more sense.

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Me too, Me too. Wow, there there's our c spiracy

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 1>deep dive. We hope that that answered a bunch of

0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 1>questions for you guys, and can't thank Sam and Stephen

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.399
<v Speaker 1>enough for jumping in on that so that we had

0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:19.400
<v Speaker 1>more informed things to say than what Miles and I

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:22.440
<v Speaker 1>would have come up with alone. Email us you already

0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 1>have been let us know your thoughts. Were always happy

0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to hear from you, guys bent at the meat Eator

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.680
<v Speaker 1>dot com. And actually, what are we moving into next? Miles?

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I think Stevens gonna help us out there too in

0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>a way. Stephen is going to help us there. We're

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:36.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna do a finclips after this on the pike minnow

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:38.799
<v Speaker 1>and uh I put that one together. But if you

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:40.880
<v Speaker 1>want to hear more about it and see more of Steven,

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>go over to the media dot com and check them out.

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>And then after but we won't get there until after

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 1>we hear from our illustrious engineer Phil about his favorite

0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 1>sharks and why. I'd say my favorite shark is probably

0:55:56.280 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 1>the basking shark. Even though it's apparently pretty gentle and

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 1>low moving, the image of a feeding basking shark is

0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:07.280
<v Speaker 1>a love crafty and nightmare. Its mouth looks like a portal,

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and swimming through it could take you through the cosmic

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:11.959
<v Speaker 1>layers of time and space and right to the great

0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Beast Cthulhu himself. And you know that could be a

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 1>fun weekend activity for the whole family. Some years back,

0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I got to spend a few weeks floating through the

0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Grand Canyon. Once you get away from Lee's ferry, the

0:56:28.200 --> 0:56:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Colorado River isn't much of a destination fishery. You float

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the Grand to experience one of America's most stunning wilderness

0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:38.400
<v Speaker 1>areas and to challenge yourself on some of the biggest

0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 1>white water in North America. Plus you get to live,

0:56:42.320 --> 0:56:44.919
<v Speaker 1>at least for a while as a complete river rat,

0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>once you push away from the bank and dive into

0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 1>the walls of the canyon, there's no going back. You

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.239
<v Speaker 1>have two hundred river miles to cover with nothing but

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the supplies packed in your boats. It's the kind of

0:56:56.480 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 1>self sufficient adventure that's pretty much absent in the major

0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 1>already of our lives. A trip down the ground should

0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:06.280
<v Speaker 1>be on everyone's bucket list, but like I said, it's

0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 1>not usually a fishing trip. In fact, I was the

0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 1>only angler among our crew. I knew the opportunities to

0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>cast a line would be few, and the chances of

0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 1>catching fish in many places pretty slim, but I packed

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 1>a couple of travel rods in the bottom of my

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>dry bag. Anyway, there are a handful of exceptional trout

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>streams to feed the graund and I did pretty well.

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I can into a couple of them, but I can

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:32.440
<v Speaker 1>catch trout at home, the fish I really hope to encounter,

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 1>though I knew the odds were vanishing. Lee Slim can

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.000
<v Speaker 1>grow over six ft long and weigh more than eighty pounds.

0:57:39.800 --> 0:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>It's the only native aquatic predator in its range, feeding

0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:47.200
<v Speaker 1>primarily on other fish, but also rumored to take mice, birds,

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and even small rabbits despite its lack of teeth. I'm

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Colorado pike minnow, the largest minnow in

0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 1>North America. Side note I learned while researching this they

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.200
<v Speaker 1>are not the large mennow in the world as I

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>had previously thought. That distinction belongs to the giant barbed

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>cat Locarpio siamensis, which lives in Southeast Asia and can

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.800
<v Speaker 1>go over ten ft and almost a hundred and forty pounds.

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day we'll do a finclipse on that strangers

0:58:13.880 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>looking beast, but not today. Colorado pike mindows are only

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 1>found in the Colorado River drainage and were once abundant

0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 1>throughout that system, which includes rivers in Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada,

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and California. Settlers relied on pike midows as food fish,

0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and some reports claim that creative or maybe just lazy,

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Frontier anglers used horses to drag the massive fish from

0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the water. At the time, they were known as white

0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 1>salmon because of their migratory spawning journeys. Though pike midows

0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>don't go to sea, they would travel up to two

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:50.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred miles to find optimal habitat in the spring. As

0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the primary artery for the American Southwest, the Colorado River

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.680
<v Speaker 1>has been so damned in dewatered that it hardly resembles

0:58:56.720 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the muscular river it once was. Pike mindows can no

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 1>longer make those impressive runs to optimal reproductive habitat. Their

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:07.120
<v Speaker 1>home waters are now colder and more controlled, and they

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:10.520
<v Speaker 1>have new non native competitors. Colorado pike midows have been

0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:14.120
<v Speaker 1>endangered since nineteen sixty seven, which is why my chances

0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of actually catching one were miniscule and I didn't. There

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>are four distinct species of pike meadows in North America, Colorado, Umpqua, Sacramento,

0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and Northern. Good News, the Colorado pike mendow is the

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 1>only one that seems incapable of effectively adapting to life

0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:35.120
<v Speaker 1>in a damned river system. Bad news. The Northern pike

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.560
<v Speaker 1>meddow has proven itself so good at thriving in the

0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.120
<v Speaker 1>reservoirs and slow moving pools of the Columbia and Snake

0:59:40.200 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Rivers that they are harming salmon and steelhead populations. Northern

0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>pike midows consume millions of juvenile salmon and steelhead each year.

0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Putting added stress on iconic fish that are already struggling.

0:59:51.520 --> 0:59:54.439
<v Speaker 1>More bad news. Northern pike midows only get about ten

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:58.360
<v Speaker 1>percent as large as their Colorado counterparts, maxing out around

0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:00.400
<v Speaker 1>seven pounds, so they're not nearly as a tract of

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:02.960
<v Speaker 1>a sport fish, but anglers who choose to target them

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:07.439
<v Speaker 1>can find value beyond their size. Since the Bonneville Power

1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Administration and Pacific States Fisheries Commission have teamed up with

1:00:11.080 --> 1:00:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Oregon and Washington's Departments of Fisheries to administer the Northern

1:00:14.800 --> 1:00:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Pike Minow Sport Reward Program. The program runs from May

1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:22.880
<v Speaker 1>one to September and pays anglers five to eight bucks

1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 1>for every Northern pike midow they turn in over nine inches,

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:30.960
<v Speaker 1>depending on the size. Some enterprising anglers are making real

1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:34.840
<v Speaker 1>money fishing for northern pike mindows. The top twenty who

1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:38.200
<v Speaker 1>participated in the program last year averaged over twenty grand,

1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and one brought in nearly fifty thou dollars and five

1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>months of fishing for the record, that's far more than

1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I ever made as a fishing guide in five months.

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<v Speaker 1>Best of all, it seems to be proving effective since

1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the sport Reward programs started putting bounties on northern pike

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.720
<v Speaker 1>midows thirty years ago. More than five million fish have

1:00:58.800 --> 1:01:01.640
<v Speaker 1>been culled from the system, and some reports indicate that

1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the northern pike menoputation on Salmanas has decreased. In a

1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:10.480
<v Speaker 1>somewhat ironic twist, the Arizona Fish and Game Department is

1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:14.840
<v Speaker 1>now offering bounties on Salmond's to help protect pike minnows

1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:18.800
<v Speaker 1>in the Colorado River. As Joe covered in Fish News

1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a few months back, anglers fishing around Lee's Ferry, the

1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:25.640
<v Speaker 1>same area where Grand Canyon raft trips begin get twenty

1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:29.640
<v Speaker 1>five dollars for every brown trout over six inches they

1:01:29.640 --> 1:01:32.720
<v Speaker 1>bring to an area check station. Brown trout are not

1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:36.000
<v Speaker 1>native to the Colorado or anywhere on this continent for

1:01:36.040 --> 1:01:39.480
<v Speaker 1>that matter, and aggressive browns can prey upon juvenile pike

1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>mindows and other endangered native fish in the Colorado System,

1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:47.040
<v Speaker 1>like the humpbacked chubb. So while pike midows are harming

1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:51.080
<v Speaker 1>native salmanas in one fishery, Salmanas or harming native pike

1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:55.000
<v Speaker 1>mindows and another fishery, but in both cases, sport fishing

1:01:55.080 --> 1:01:59.160
<v Speaker 1>is being leveraged as a tool to help the underdogs. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not per really convinced the killing brown trout around

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<v Speaker 1>Lee's Ferry will save Colorado pike mendows. That's just one

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<v Speaker 1>of the tools that the Upper Colorado Endangered Fish Recovery

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<v Speaker 1>Program is using to hopefully help boost pike minnow recruitment numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>They're also requesting the Flaming Gorge damn increased springtime releases

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<v Speaker 1>to better mimic the historic seasonal flow cycle and help

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado pike mindows successfully spawn more often. I can only

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<v Speaker 1>hope that program works and that if my kid floats

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<v Speaker 1>down the Grand Canyon when he's grown, he'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>double over a route on a musky sized minnow. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a shame. Pike minnows are critically endangered because they

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<v Speaker 1>sound like they pull and eat pretty much anything. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to catch one so so bad. Sam Longeran and

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<v Speaker 1>I have this conversation like once a month. They have.

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<v Speaker 1>Those fish have all the attributes that that anglers love,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you just were to if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>strip out the minnow part and just talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>in general terms, like they get big, they're they're the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the food chain. They push around all the

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<v Speaker 1>other fish in the river. They will attack and kill

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<v Speaker 1>like anything, and I've never caught one, right, But but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like any generic presentation that you could get

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<v Speaker 1>in front of one, so long as it vaguely looks

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<v Speaker 1>edible and scared, would get munched. Actually, on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's about the schools on an overlooked generic fish catcher

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone should probably have on hand, but doesn't even better.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're looking to catch some of the finest catfish

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<v Speaker 1>and both in bait you could possibly find on the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Seaboard, these lures will catch that too. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not loud enough. In past end of the line segments,

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<v Speaker 1>I've said that it's often difficult to trace the lure's

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<v Speaker 1>origin back any further than when it became mass produced.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the case of the shad dart, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even figure out when mass production really started, because in essence,

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<v Speaker 1>it still isn't like a big seller. I mean, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>you can find shad darts made by companies like Marathon

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<v Speaker 1>and a few others on the shelves of big box stores,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll be two or three darts in one bubble pack,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're most likely to find the color selection limited

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<v Speaker 1>they'll have red and white, maybe red and yellow, and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps shark shrews and dark green, because those are the classics.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the vast majority of anglers that really rely

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<v Speaker 1>on shad darts, they're not usually picking them up from

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<v Speaker 1>the big box store. More likely, they picked them up

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<v Speaker 1>from a local shop that works with a local dart

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<v Speaker 1>maker who knows exactly which colors the local anglers and

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<v Speaker 1>fish are hungry for. The only things really known about

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<v Speaker 1>the shad darts origins is they first appeared in the

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast well over fifty years ago, and since they hit

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, they've predominantly been distributed by garage and basement

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<v Speaker 1>dart makers. So what is a shad dart. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the cheapest, simplest, most effective lures you can own.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet most anglers that live outside of regions like the

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<v Speaker 1>Northeast and mid Atlantic that have thriving cultures revolve around

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<v Speaker 1>the annual spring runs of hickory and American shad don't

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<v Speaker 1>own any A shad dart is just a compact lead jig.

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<v Speaker 1>They can weigh as little as one six an ounce

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<v Speaker 1>and as much as a full ounce. Their cone shaped

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<v Speaker 1>and the wider front end is sort of sliced off

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<v Speaker 1>at an angle to create a sloping face. The hooks

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<v Speaker 1>are molded right into the body and the line tie

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<v Speaker 1>I protrudes from the darts back, so the lore always

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<v Speaker 1>falls and swims horizontally. Darts often have a tiny pinch

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<v Speaker 1>of bucktail tied on the hook, but there could also

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<v Speaker 1>be a little bit of synthetic flash material back there,

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<v Speaker 1>or no tail at all naked As we say, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the goofiest little lore, but it's actually a genius design.

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<v Speaker 1>That wide angled face is designed to create water resistance.

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<v Speaker 1>When real across the current, water bounces into flex off

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<v Speaker 1>that face and gives the dart a unique shimmy. These days,

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<v Speaker 1>flutterspoons have gotten very popular for shad, but as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>all my old man had on them for our annual

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<v Speaker 1>trip to the Delaware Water Gap. For shad was a

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<v Speaker 1>box of arts, and all you did was cast at

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<v Speaker 1>a slight angle up current and steadily real the dart back.

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<v Speaker 1>No jigging or finessing or twitching, just real, and if

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<v Speaker 1>it got in front of the shad, the rod would

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<v Speaker 1>just load up. When your line was right around eleven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>For most of my life, I didn't think anyone used

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<v Speaker 1>shad darts for anything but chad, But that wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter of fact, research shows that in other parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the country they're more commonly referred to as croppy darts

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<v Speaker 1>or quill bees. And if you think about it, the

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<v Speaker 1>same action that attracts shad is beneficial in a plethora

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<v Speaker 1>of other fisheries, especially considering a dart can also replace

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<v Speaker 1>a jig head. I've tipped them with a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>blood worm to whack white perch. I've added a curly

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<v Speaker 1>tail grub and used them to pick off some cropp eas.

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<v Speaker 1>I even have a buddy that leans on simple shad

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<v Speaker 1>darts for shallow water light line flounder fishing by tipping

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<v Speaker 1>them with a strip of squid or a live mud minnow.

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<v Speaker 1>Much like a metal spoon. A dart is equally effective

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<v Speaker 1>jigged vertically or when you swim it, which means the

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<v Speaker 1>ears of any hard water anglers listening right now should

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<v Speaker 1>be perking up. So how many of you will heed

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<v Speaker 1>my advice and mess with shad darts, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know a whole bunch of you discovered the

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<v Speaker 1>power of the trout magnet. One of my all time

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<v Speaker 1>favorite lures for stock trout because of its inclusion and

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<v Speaker 1>end of the line. I was peppered with photos and

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<v Speaker 1>notes of thanks after that segment. But just in case

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't put all the pieces together yet, your stringers

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<v Speaker 1>filled faster this season, not because of the little soft

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<v Speaker 1>plastic trout magnet meal worm you were dangling, but because

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<v Speaker 1>of its shad dart head. Leland Lure company who makes

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<v Speaker 1>the trout magnet actually have the ancient shad dart to

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<v Speaker 1>thank for much of their success. They shrunk the dart

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<v Speaker 1>down to micro size, harnessing the power of that angled

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<v Speaker 1>head to make their lures dance, flit and wiggle as

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<v Speaker 1>they ride the current. So if the dart plastic combo

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<v Speaker 1>is so potent in microform, imagine what you might achieve letting,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, a soft plastic crayfish or helgra might

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<v Speaker 1>pinned on a bigger dart, slip down a juicy smallmouth,

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<v Speaker 1>run under a little bit bigger float. So that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for this week. If you're gonna be spending some time

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on a bucket waiting for a little tap tap

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<v Speaker 1>tap peroo, we've given you plenty to contemplate like drain

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<v Speaker 1>plugs and the human response to forgetting about them. A

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<v Speaker 1>dart you could probably stick in a pikemanow if they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't nearly extinct, and the perfect accessory for the bait

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<v Speaker 1>dunker that considers himself a leg man. If you've got comments,

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<v Speaker 1>concern sale nightem's awkward photos or bar nominations, go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and collect a bunch of y shape sticks, set them

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<v Speaker 1>on fire and send us smoke signals, or just email

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<v Speaker 1>the quickest way for us to detect a nibble from

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<v Speaker 1>you is to tag your ship to generate Angler or

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<v Speaker 1>Bent podcast on the ground. Hell, you may even be

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<v Speaker 1>able to score one of those Billy wants a shotgun

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<v Speaker 1>stickers very soon they smite be in the works. They

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<v Speaker 1>very well could be, but until they're a real thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Billy just wants you to keep dreaming about that flat

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<v Speaker 1>dead that could swallow a toddler you're certain lives at

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<v Speaker 1>the base of the local dam.