Speaker 1: It's an easy reaching fish feeling bait, chicken hook setting
Speaker 1: rod holder that will leave you reeling from the feeling.
Speaker 1: The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an
Speaker 1: order of magnitude larger than is needed to produce it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make fun of a store like
Speaker 1: that's no fun. I want to make fun of an
Speaker 1: individual like I want to hurt the feelings of a
Speaker 1: single human. And a guy runs in, He's like, guys,
Speaker 1: we got a boat that's thinking. We need all hands
Speaker 1: down on the dock. Good morning, de generated anglers, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Bend, the phishing podcast that refuses to wear
Speaker 1: crocs but there's no problem using a y shaped stick
Speaker 1: to support it's chunking rods. I'm Joe sph Mellie A.
Speaker 1: Miles Nulty, and straight up, I'm I'm actually offended right now.
Speaker 1: I'm full shit. Don't tell me, well, you wear crocs, crocks.
Speaker 1: You're right that I like rocks, but that's that's not
Speaker 1: the issue. That's not what I'm pissed about. I'm pissed
Speaker 1: that you would make such a sweeping proclamation on behalf
Speaker 1: of our shared like team podcast or without any consultation,
Speaker 1: like that's I didn't. I did not, and and yes
Speaker 1: I rocked the hell out of some Crocs. In fact,
Speaker 1: in fact, I used to guide the guy who started Crocs.
Speaker 1: I am team Crocs all the way. Oh so do
Speaker 1: you do you have Croc stock? Then I don't have stocking.
Speaker 1: I didn't needn't he ever, teen should have got in
Speaker 1: on that early. Uh. Look, I'm not saying they're not comfy,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure they are, but they're just to me,
Speaker 1: they're just so goofy looking. But I did I did
Speaker 1: once to own a pair. I owned a pair of
Speaker 1: Crocs flip flops, and they were super comfy. But every
Speaker 1: time I wore them near water or on a boat,
Speaker 1: I'd like slip and blow my knee out every single time.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't. This is terrible. Your your spot.
Speaker 1: They're not boat shoes, dude, They're not water shoes. You
Speaker 1: can't get them wet or they turn into just like
Speaker 1: they're hyper lubricated when they get wet, slip within it,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, Like the flip flop wouldn't come off,
Speaker 1: My foot would just slide forward. Eat what you're saying,
Speaker 1: I have experienced it. I I'm with you on that
Speaker 1: one point. And I don't care if they're goofy looking.
Speaker 1: For the record, like I'm goofy looking most of the time,
Speaker 1: so my footwear can totally match me. This is what
Speaker 1: I just I just quickly add about myself though, Right,
Speaker 1: So my point is if I'm going to wear some
Speaker 1: kind of like technical, tactical looking shoe like that I
Speaker 1: needed to be good on the water. If I can't,
Speaker 1: if it has not like water shoes, you don't, i'd
Speaker 1: wear them in the water. So if it has no
Speaker 1: value there, then it's just then it's just they're not fashioned.
Speaker 1: You where your water there, what you put on afterwards
Speaker 1: to be comfortable, that's what they're for, all right, Like
Speaker 1: I did. I made the mistake of wearing them one
Speaker 1: time when I was guiding and I almost fell out
Speaker 1: of the boat and like lost my baby loft slides,
Speaker 1: but I just never did that again. They're they're they're
Speaker 1: the perfect sandals so long as you're not on the water.
Speaker 1: They're after the water sandals. Okay, but they're not sandals.
Speaker 1: Their cloths, come on, they're not sandals. They're clogs. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna kill whatever whatever, I'm not going to convince
Speaker 1: you the crocs are like, it's like barely a step
Speaker 1: above going to the grocery store in bedroom slippers, Like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but look for I don't
Speaker 1: even I didn't even want to get off on the crocs.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to coach into chunking sticks.
Speaker 1: Where are you on chunking sticks? Right? Yes, yes, the
Speaker 1: choking sticks. Uh, Crocs make a specially good chunking shoes.
Speaker 1: And while I won't so bad in anything but the
Speaker 1: finest molded phone sandals, I'm not. I'm not actually that
Speaker 1: picky about what I used to hold my rotten place.
Speaker 1: While I'm doing it, I usually just prop it up
Speaker 1: on some rocks. But I assume, I assume you have
Speaker 1: some fancy holders for your chunking sticks. Uh, well I have.
Speaker 1: I have sand spikes for surf fishing, but not for
Speaker 1: freshwater chunking. Though I recently debated, I was on Amazon,
Speaker 1: I was reading reviews. I debated buying a set of
Speaker 1: expensive holders just for this purpose, and then I I can't.
Speaker 1: I had them in the cart. And then I came
Speaker 1: to the realization that like God has provided all the
Speaker 1: free and perfectly functional rod holders a boy could ever need.
Speaker 1: So I I didn't buy them. And that's that's just
Speaker 1: what I use. I mean, it's not something I do
Speaker 1: a ton and they worked just fine. And I don't
Speaker 1: even know if you if you knew this about me,
Speaker 1: But did you did you know that I love chunking,
Speaker 1: like particularly in fresh water? Oh yeah, yes, we have
Speaker 1: had this conversation. I know this about you. You were,
Speaker 1: you're you're a man of your your Polly map. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Like I'm all in on aggressive angling. I'm
Speaker 1: all about fly fishing and messing with the coolest lures
Speaker 1: and such. But people who don't know this, I truly
Speaker 1: get just as excited about chunking for catfish or gar
Speaker 1: or both in and it shocks a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that to say that they scoff
Speaker 1: at it, but rather it's just the style of fishing
Speaker 1: bores them to death, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I I know a ton of dudes that they're all
Speaker 1: about throwing frogs for both friends, but the idea of
Speaker 1: sitting on a chunk for them has no appeal or
Speaker 1: even forget the chunks, even just hanging a shiner under
Speaker 1: a bomber for bass or pickerel. Sometimes I am just
Speaker 1: in the mood to do it that way, and I
Speaker 1: think watching a bomber dip is funny. Ship. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't argue there's there's a childhood joy of seeing
Speaker 1: a bomber twitch that I will never like. It is
Speaker 1: ingrained in my soul. Yeah, And I got no issue
Speaker 1: with chunking, although that is definitely a term that I
Speaker 1: learned from you. I was thought of his cut bait
Speaker 1: fishing that's chunking rolls on and it's it's not my
Speaker 1: it's not my go to. It's not my favorite way
Speaker 1: of fishing, but I've got I've got nothing against a
Speaker 1: good soak. I will post up with some cut bait
Speaker 1: for channel cats a couple of times a season and
Speaker 1: have a great time. Fact is, I'm actually organizing my
Speaker 1: first cat fishing trip the year right now with one
Speaker 1: of my best buddies in the son. I think. I
Speaker 1: think it's a really fantastic way to either fish with
Speaker 1: kids or or get drunk near water and call it
Speaker 1: fishing right now. No, it's good for both of those things.
Speaker 1: That's fair. But I also think people assume you just
Speaker 1: like huck a gob a bait anywhere and wait, and
Speaker 1: and that's that's so inaccurate, Like you still have to
Speaker 1: put your time in figuring out exactly where you should
Speaker 1: cast that bait in which baits I don't know work
Speaker 1: best at what time of year and so on and
Speaker 1: and chunking or cut bait fishing is one of those things.
Speaker 1: You can make it as complicated as you want, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I have always enjoyed tweaking
Speaker 1: rigs and messing with different hook sizes, and I don't
Speaker 1: care man like when a catfish picks up a bait
Speaker 1: and that like that real starts to click or stick floats,
Speaker 1: stands up and starts running. There's a both in under it.
Speaker 1: That just ate a shad chunk. I'm fired up. I
Speaker 1: love it. I really don't. I throw zero shade at that,
Speaker 1: and I can I can get behind that. My only
Speaker 1: question is do you do you happen to incorporate any
Speaker 1: wonderful thirteen fishing products and do your chunking tour well?
Speaker 1: It sure do, Miles, And thanks for asking. I've I've
Speaker 1: used their saltwater line extensively to make sure my local
Speaker 1: boat in population fears me uh, open green spinning rod,
Speaker 1: the heaviest action they make, to be specific, paired with
Speaker 1: the largest prototype X spinning reel they make. And if
Speaker 1: this all sounds like a shameless plug, it is because
Speaker 1: we love thirteen Fishing. We do. We actually a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, Bent is now proudly brought to you by
Speaker 1: the good people of thirteen Fishing. Yes, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: you all have already seen Joe testing its merit in
Speaker 1: the last couple episodes of B Side Fishing, but probably
Speaker 1: not this week because it's it's a fly fishing episode
Speaker 1: this week with some pike. But generally we got the
Speaker 1: thirteen going and we love them. Yes, this is true,
Speaker 1: and thirteen does not make a fly rod, but I'll
Speaker 1: say yet, maybe someday, you never know, because those dudes
Speaker 1: are always busting out new badass designs rising us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they also do not make rod holders. But if you're
Speaker 1: too cool or too good to use a fork stick
Speaker 1: to chunk like I do, we have a recommendation for
Speaker 1: you this week. We actually do. That's that's actually true.
Speaker 1: We're We're gonna we gonna switch gears. They're gonna move
Speaker 1: into sale bin where we make fun of dumb fishing
Speaker 1: ship people are selling in online classifiedes and pull you
Speaker 1: to a product that will make you the terminator of
Speaker 1: your local cat fishing scene. Why did you put the
Speaker 1: hand to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man?
Speaker 1: What you didn't have to be so hurtful with me,
Speaker 1: so angry? So today's sale bin item sort of bucks
Speaker 1: the norm for us here a bit. But it's just
Speaker 1: it's just too ridiculous not to highlight and to be
Speaker 1: completely honest, and I'm not trying to be that guy, Okay,
Speaker 1: But I found this post probably more than a month ago,
Speaker 1: and Miles and I both agreed this is a must do,
Speaker 1: but it often just takes us a while to sort
Speaker 1: of get caught up on potential sale bin items and
Speaker 1: bar nominations and such. And in the time since then
Speaker 1: and now, a bunch of you have also forwarded this
Speaker 1: one along, and we thank you, but they're they're actually
Speaker 1: there are too many of you to to give shout outs.
Speaker 1: And technically I found it first, so but fair but fair,
Speaker 1: and I could I could vouch for the accuracy of
Speaker 1: that statement, because a lot of you have written in.
Speaker 1: But Joe did find it first. But the reason that
Speaker 1: this particular one is unusual for us is that we
Speaker 1: tend to shy away from products that are there, like
Speaker 1: mass produced, were made to order. The fun of this
Speaker 1: for us is finding old, used, weird junk that some
Speaker 1: random person is trying to pawn off for better or worse.
Speaker 1: Though Facebook now allows small time manufacturers that ship globally
Speaker 1: to sneak their products into the local marketplace pages and
Speaker 1: for the most part of stupid stuff like, for example,
Speaker 1: the Chillen Reel, which is another one that a lot
Speaker 1: of you sent to us in case you visit. The
Speaker 1: chillen Reel is a cheap ass beer couzy with like
Speaker 1: this little post on the side that you can wind
Speaker 1: fishing line around. I'm not even that thing basically just
Speaker 1: makes fun of itself. There's nothing for us to say
Speaker 1: totally yeah, like I don't have yeah, we didn't have
Speaker 1: to tear that up heart just like watch their own
Speaker 1: content and it's it's it's just me yeah exactly, um.
Speaker 1: But and then doing so, it's also like it's essentially
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna make fun of that or this
Speaker 1: thing today, it's like you're making fun of the store
Speaker 1: selling hard souvenirs on the boardwalk in Jersey. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to make fun of a store like that's
Speaker 1: no fun. I want to make fun of an individual
Speaker 1: like I want to hurt the feelings of a single human,
Speaker 1: not an entire operation. Um. Anyway, I'm sure many of
Speaker 1: you have actually seen this by now, but we just
Speaker 1: couldn't stay away from the fish and chum. What's what's
Speaker 1: with the the Why are all the names the same?
Speaker 1: I hate that name, the fish and chum the chillen. Really,
Speaker 1: if you have an end in there, you're screaming gimmick
Speaker 1: to me. It just and all of these make me
Speaker 1: think of other stupid fishing gimmicks from the past, like,
Speaker 1: for example, the laser lure. It I feel like there's
Speaker 1: there's there's some kind of a cheesy back story that
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me to try and get me to
Speaker 1: buy it. Hey, Brice, I wanted to ask you what
Speaker 1: made you think of the laser lure. Well, the laser
Speaker 1: lure is actually in the accent. It wasn't something I
Speaker 1: intended to invent. I used down a gun store and
Speaker 1: I had lots of fish tanks. I got a new
Speaker 1: glock with the laser one and I shouned the glock
Speaker 1: in the fish tank. Well, every fish we chase and
Speaker 1: bite that dot, they bite a rock or bite sand.
Speaker 1: But this isn't the laser lure. And before I get
Speaker 1: into why the marketing for this product is just so ridiculous,
Speaker 1: I have to say, in fairness, the fishing chump could
Speaker 1: actually be useful. The concept itself is not bad. It's
Speaker 1: the picture. It's it's a plastic rod holder that's attached
Speaker 1: to a flat brace with long velcro straps on each end,
Speaker 1: so it's it's basically just a portable and removable rod holder.
Speaker 1: You could strap it around a dock piling, or strap
Speaker 1: it to a railing, or strap it to an ice
Speaker 1: fishing bucket. You could. You could put this in a
Speaker 1: lot of different places and it could be useful, or
Speaker 1: at least moderately useful. But for some reason, that useful
Speaker 1: attribute is not with the makers of the product chose
Speaker 1: to promote. Uh no, not at all, though they're they're
Speaker 1: actually they're promoting it as a holder you can strap
Speaker 1: to your leg. And and in the key photo the
Speaker 1: eye catcher, if you will, you see the lower half
Speaker 1: of man sitting on a bench on a dock, and
Speaker 1: he has a fish and chump strapped to each calf
Speaker 1: with with rods extending from both right and I I
Speaker 1: just find this to be so asinine, it's not even funny,
Speaker 1: Like unless you're an old man that will stay seated
Speaker 1: the entire day and we'll only need one rod. I
Speaker 1: just don't get it. And even in that, right, why
Speaker 1: not strap the fish and chum to the arm of
Speaker 1: your lawn chair? Why not use a stick in the dirt? Like,
Speaker 1: how much reaching effort is this really saving you? Right now?
Speaker 1: Thanks to a little Internet sleuthing though, this here's what
Speaker 1: we learned. The fish and chum is actually not new.
Speaker 1: It's been around for at least a decade. And we
Speaker 1: know this because Miles foul into this total garage operation,
Speaker 1: hack job infomercial that we assume was made by the
Speaker 1: original inventor. And it's it's gold, right. I wish we
Speaker 1: could play all two minutes and twenty seconds of this,
Speaker 1: so we're not going to do that. You look it
Speaker 1: up yourself if you want. But but here's the opening
Speaker 1: fishing jump fishing rod holder a unique fully adjustable like
Speaker 1: mounted rod holder leg mounted the whole a portion of
Speaker 1: slotted to adjust for right or left leg, and the
Speaker 1: ball and cup arrangement locks it in at the desired angle.
Speaker 1: So we're guessing what happened is that someone rediscovered this
Speaker 1: product and either bought the patent or the patent was expired,
Speaker 1: and they think they just resurrected and make a quick buck.
Speaker 1: But it was terrible ten years ago and it's terrible now.
Speaker 1: And I hate to say it, but the first thing
Speaker 1: that popped into my head was Forrest Gump. There's this
Speaker 1: I just I'm sorry, deficient show looks just like the
Speaker 1: leg braces that little Forest had to wear. And he's
Speaker 1: running and there's the swelling music and they fall apart
Speaker 1: and the bullies are chasing him. That's all I could
Speaker 1: think about. I was running. You think of Forest coming
Speaker 1: for some reason. I think of the spears scene in
Speaker 1: a Spentera two when he's got one in each leg.
Speaker 1: Everything about the marketing for this product makes me cringe.
Speaker 1: Everything about it is bad. Their website tagline, I'm not
Speaker 1: making this up. Their website tagline is it's an easy
Speaker 1: reaching fish feeling bait, jicken hook setting rod holder that
Speaker 1: will leave you reeling from the feeling. No no g
Speaker 1: on the end of verbs, not one, but two exclamation
Speaker 1: marks to cap off that juncto of a sentence. The
Speaker 1: whole website for Fish and Chow is just chaos. It's
Speaker 1: just utter chaos. I'm intrigued by bait jigging, Like what
Speaker 1: do you do, like twerk on the dock like that
Speaker 1: the whole thing you're you're sitting there and strapped your leg.
Speaker 1: You don't have to use your hands to jig. You
Speaker 1: just tap your foot. Oh man, you get a little
Speaker 1: mouth harp going, and it's a whole thing. I wish
Speaker 1: there was a video of that. Well, dude, I mean shit,
Speaker 1: if you scroll through all the photos in that post,
Speaker 1: they have one on a dude's leg that's sitting in
Speaker 1: a very small boat and there are coolers and seeds
Speaker 1: and all kinds of ships surrounding him. So like, that's
Speaker 1: fine if you don't move from that exact position and orientation,
Speaker 1: but you reach over to grab your Mr Pid right
Speaker 1: or twist around for the bag of dill pickle sunflower seeds.
Speaker 1: You got problems. Oh dill pickle seeds good, they are good.
Speaker 1: I'm not that's they're delicious. They're almost as good as barbecue. Um,
Speaker 1: but what you also have is an entire boat gunnal
Speaker 1: upon which rod holders can be easily mounted. Like that's
Speaker 1: pretty common, Like you have a boat you fish put
Speaker 1: so it just makes no sound. It's like we it's
Speaker 1: we are. We are all now dumber for having been
Speaker 1: exposed to this, and may God have mercy on our souls.
Speaker 1: That's how basically done this. Yeah. I really hope none
Speaker 1: of you bought this and are patiently waiting for it
Speaker 1: to arrive because we've kind of crushed your soul. But
Speaker 1: come on, let's think about this. Remember those little little
Speaker 1: holders that you could put on your your belt to
Speaker 1: hold your rod for re rigging. Most had one, I think, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: if you don't, that's because no one did, because they
Speaker 1: never took off. No one had those Some people some
Speaker 1: were like maybe, but no, no one bought one. And
Speaker 1: why anyone thinks this leg brace holder is a good idea?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I've been wrong about lots of
Speaker 1: things before, and maybe they'll sell millions and I'll have
Speaker 1: to admit how wrong I'm I don't know who knows,
Speaker 1: But thanks again to everyone who sent this our way,
Speaker 1: even even though Joe did technically find it first. And
Speaker 1: as you guys continue finding ridiculous fishing ship for sale
Speaker 1: on your favorite online classified sites, do please keep sending
Speaker 1: those links to Bent at the meat Eater dot com.
Speaker 1: Now see, that product, in my opinion, is just another
Speaker 1: one of those things that makes you that guy. And
Speaker 1: fishing is it's it's full of such products. Though they
Speaker 1: don't know. They tend to come and go quickly. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: you remember he had the line cutter's ring. That was
Speaker 1: I remember them well though, that's what I mean. I
Speaker 1: know you wouldn't have one, but you remember him. And
Speaker 1: I may wear creeks, but I did not have the
Speaker 1: line cutter ring. I've seen a few of them on
Speaker 1: fingers on the water and I'm like, there's that guy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, there's like the dude. So
Speaker 1: there's the dude at the shitty Park Lake casting a
Speaker 1: lore with a water wolf camera in front of it,
Speaker 1: and there he is. There's that guy. Guarantee, when that
Speaker 1: guy goes offshore, he brings some zombait with him, some bait.
Speaker 1: But there are other ways to be that guy in
Speaker 1: fishing that do not require terrible gimmicky products. Uh. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we're going to hear about one of
Speaker 1: them in a Smooth Moves segment with a unique twist.
Speaker 1: Normally the is a part of the show where we
Speaker 1: let guides and captains tell us about idiotic things the
Speaker 1: clients have done. But when we called Ja Siemens, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: can I tell you guys a story about something dumb
Speaker 1: I did as a good and we were like, yes,
Speaker 1: yes you can. For those of you familiar with J
Speaker 1: on YouTube, he's incredibly knowledgeable, well spoken, super thoughtful, put
Speaker 1: together angler, So it was it was actually kind of
Speaker 1: refreshing to hear that he's not immune to complete screw ups.
Speaker 1: Why hanging out with us today? In the guide check,
Speaker 1: we got our friend Ja Siemens, who's one of our
Speaker 1: North of the North of the Border buddies that we
Speaker 1: don't get to see these days. I know we miss you, guys.
Speaker 1: I just miss I want I miss Canada. Mad We
Speaker 1: miss you too, You don't We're hurt without our American
Speaker 1: friends up here. Fishing lodges are empty. Yeah, economically, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's true, but from uh traffic on the water standpoint,
Speaker 1: I bet it's kind of nice. You're allowed to say it.
Speaker 1: Jay were like, yeah, it was bad, as you're you're
Speaker 1: allowed to say it. Fishing was good, The fishing was
Speaker 1: good last summer, Yeah, I bet it was. Uh. We
Speaker 1: actually brought you here to tell us a story, and
Speaker 1: and normally the smooth move story focuses on stupid things
Speaker 1: client do. But I think you're gonna tell us something
Speaker 1: stupid that you personally have done. So we're gonna switch
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. What do you have for us?
Speaker 1: I've done lots of stupid things all guiding, but this
Speaker 1: one was. This one was in my first week of
Speaker 1: guiding actually, and I I started guiding when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: so I didn't even have my drivers. My parents had
Speaker 1: to drop me off of the fishing lodge and and
Speaker 1: I got boated up and but that's a different part
Speaker 1: of the story. But anyways, it was it was my
Speaker 1: first week of guiding, and um, we had portash into
Speaker 1: a lake that was about an hour boat right away
Speaker 1: from the lodge, and it had been raining all day.
Speaker 1: So we came back to the boat after I did
Speaker 1: of fishing and there's a bunch of water in it.
Speaker 1: And with tiller boats, often when you pull the dream
Speaker 1: plug in the back, it pulls from the inside. So
Speaker 1: if if you don't have a bill pump, then you
Speaker 1: just pull the plug and it'll drain as long as
Speaker 1: you're moving. So we finished our day of fishing. Awesome day.
Speaker 1: Whileye fishing, hot back in the boat with my guests
Speaker 1: and it's it's whatever that our boat ride for boat
Speaker 1: ride back to the lodge, and I pulled the plug
Speaker 1: and it drains out perfectly, and I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is great, get back, get back to camp, tie the
Speaker 1: boat up, and go up to the dining hall and
Speaker 1: I'm eating with all the other guides and talking about
Speaker 1: our day, and a guy runs in. He's like, guys,
Speaker 1: we got a boat that's sinking. We need all hands
Speaker 1: down on the dock. And I'm just like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: I wonder whose boat it is. I wonder what happened.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling so awful for whoever, whoever this is, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what went wrong. So I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely concerned for whoever this is. And we started
Speaker 1: walking down to the dock and sixteen year old Jay's
Speaker 1: heart just sinks and I'm just like, that's that. That's
Speaker 1: my dock slip that's that's there's no boat there. That's
Speaker 1: where my boat is supposed to be. And when I
Speaker 1: pulled the plug, I never put it back in. So
Speaker 1: there's all the senior guide standing around me there and
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, J, well you gotta put the plug
Speaker 1: back in the boat and we'll try to like use
Speaker 1: it a sub pump and pump it out. So I
Speaker 1: jump into the lake full clothe and I put the
Speaker 1: plug in. We're able to lift it up, like just
Speaker 1: a bit of the cowling was showing and there's like
Speaker 1: tackle boxes floating and stuff. Man, so it was like
Speaker 1: it was it was yeah, it wasn't a good scene.
Speaker 1: And uh we got the boat up and feeling a
Speaker 1: little better and like, okay, J it's time to go
Speaker 1: tell tell the owner. And I'm like, where is he
Speaker 1: right now? He's like always having having dinner with his
Speaker 1: wife in the in the dining room. So I go
Speaker 1: in there, just dripping wet, looking like a wet rat.
Speaker 1: And I went and told them what happened, and I mean,
Speaker 1: he was so good about it, but it was just
Speaker 1: like one of those stories. And I don't even know
Speaker 1: how the story spread, but my first day of high
Speaker 1: school I come into gym class and the teachers like, Jayson,
Speaker 1: I heard you sunk a both this summer, can you
Speaker 1: tell the class? So just instantly it's just the story
Speaker 1: spread and I had to tell everybody, And now I'm
Speaker 1: telling the mediator listeners, and it's just like, man, so
Speaker 1: I sunk a boat. A few a few thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: For one, getting dropped off by your parents to guide
Speaker 1: is way cooler than getting dropped off to bus tables,
Speaker 1: which is what my parents are dropping me off to do.
Speaker 1: So good on that. But also I think, like, look, look,
Speaker 1: everybody knows there's like sort of like the whole like
Speaker 1: Canadians are so much nicer than people down here, because
Speaker 1: if you were that was like a lodge in Jersey,
Speaker 1: the reaction for the owner like would not have been
Speaker 1: the same. So so good on that too. For just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's all right, I'm glad. It's kind of amazed that
Speaker 1: you kept your job. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised I
Speaker 1: got hired back a second year, that's for sure. That
Speaker 1: wasn't the only mess up. But oh yeah, I heard
Speaker 1: they got the motor running they had to bring into
Speaker 1: the shop and pump the water and stuff. But they
Speaker 1: didn't have to buy new motors, so that was a plus.
Speaker 1: Well if it if it makes you feel better, I'll
Speaker 1: admit to having done the same thing to drain alive
Speaker 1: well on my boat up on plane. It drained right out,
Speaker 1: and then I forgot about that, and then got a
Speaker 1: call the next day that my boat was listing, and
Speaker 1: of course I was two hours away from my boat,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, just unlisted. Do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do, and they like, yeah, but they caught it.
Speaker 1: But I know that pain. I know that pain. Catch
Speaker 1: U up on you quick. And now I feel superior
Speaker 1: to both of you because I'm the only one on
Speaker 1: this call who never sunk about Good for me, Thanks
Speaker 1: a lunch. We appreciate you humbling yourself in public for
Speaker 1: all of our entertainment. No problem. You can laugh at
Speaker 1: my expense. So my favorite part of that is when
Speaker 1: he said he felt so bad for the guy whose
Speaker 1: boat that sank. It's it's yeah, It's like it's like
Speaker 1: you know those announcements at Walmart's like attention customers. If
Speaker 1: you're the owner of a red RAB four license plate
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, what's that about? What happened to
Speaker 1: the rav they're getting towed? And then one day you're
Speaker 1: barely paying attention because you're debating which flavor of cool
Speaker 1: aid to buy for your catfish paint, and it's like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: that's they're talking about my truck, Drop everything and run.
Speaker 1: You know, Jay's response felt very Canadian to me. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a in a dismissive or
Speaker 1: I hope not offensive way. I think sixteen year old
Speaker 1: boys in general are completely self centered jerks, and they're
Speaker 1: so generally insecure that they're quick to revel in anyone
Speaker 1: else's mistake because it deflects from their own screw ups,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Absolutely, And I assume that
Speaker 1: most American sixteen year olds in that situation be thinking,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a jackass? What kind of dumb
Speaker 1: guide sixes own boat at the dock, But they're sixteen
Speaker 1: year old jays like, oh gosh, I sure feel bad
Speaker 1: for that poor guy. I hope his gears okay, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. How many times have we said on
Speaker 1: this show and I'm sure we're gonna say it again,
Speaker 1: Canadians are just nicer than we are. That is fact,
Speaker 1: they are nicer. They're just better human beings. Generally, I
Speaker 1: think that's true. Generally, I do think that's true. But
Speaker 1: I think we're also waiting into into into muddy waters here.
Speaker 1: And that's enough of the cultural stereotypes. Let's pull the
Speaker 1: plug on our current events, live well and to see
Speaker 1: what's flopping around the bottom. Grab the easiest targets. It's
Speaker 1: time for fish news. Fish news. That escalated quickly. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're we're shaking it up a bit for news
Speaker 1: this week, kind of buy listener requests. So ever since
Speaker 1: um Netflix documentary C Spiracy has dropped, we have just
Speaker 1: been inundated, have we not Miles with people going what
Speaker 1: is the deal with this? Have you boys seen this?
Speaker 1: And is this bullshit? So it took us time to
Speaker 1: finally sit down and watch it, which we have. And
Speaker 1: you know, Miles and I could just prattle on about
Speaker 1: this and and and and give our thoughts and our opinions,
Speaker 1: but I think it's fair to say it was an
Speaker 1: impactful enough documentary enough people are talking about it from
Speaker 1: all different angles that just having us blab on about
Speaker 1: it and say some funny things, it's not gonna do
Speaker 1: it justice we we really wanted to take a deep
Speaker 1: dive into this, and I know a lot of you
Speaker 1: guys are are interested in this, so um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we're going We're going, go ahead. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: cut you off, but like we could, we could just
Speaker 1: give our semi informed but not really deeply informed opinions,
Speaker 1: but lots of that's kind of the problem that we
Speaker 1: see with the film itself. So rather than just recreating
Speaker 1: the issues going on, we we dug into our deep, deep,
Speaker 1: deep bench of meat eater in house talent to help
Speaker 1: us kind of parse this out and draw some conclusions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're not doing the multiple news story thing today.
Speaker 1: Our entire news is devoted to to c spiracy, so
Speaker 1: it's not really a competition, though. I challenge Phil at
Speaker 1: the end of way in on and tell us what
Speaker 1: his favorite shark is. No, that's what we want from
Speaker 1: you today, um and why and why exactly? And I
Speaker 1: will I would just say, and before we move along
Speaker 1: here that I was turned off as soon as the
Speaker 1: filmmaker in the beginning said he's always been fascinated by
Speaker 1: whales and dolphins, not like sharks and barracuda. So right
Speaker 1: then and there, I was like, I could just I
Speaker 1: see where this is going. So um, we have some guests, Miles.
Speaker 1: Who who's joining us today one of our esteemed editors
Speaker 1: and colleagues, Sam Longdren. Sam has been on this show
Speaker 1: before and giving us his his background. Sam actually has
Speaker 1: some experience working as a commercial fisherman, so Sam's got
Speaker 1: some unique perspective there. And we also have Steven Klobascher,
Speaker 1: who if you pay attention to our our our fishy
Speaker 1: content on the website, you will know that name because
Speaker 1: Steven is one of our regular contributors. He's a post
Speaker 1: doctoral candidate at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks in in fisheries.
Speaker 1: Fisheries biology is all right, Stephen, do have that? So
Speaker 1: he He's going to come in from a and and
Speaker 1: kind of look at the science and the facts there
Speaker 1: in ways that Joe and I just aren't qualified to do.
Speaker 1: So really excited to hear what you guys have to say,
Speaker 1: and then at the end we'll just have a conversation
Speaker 1: and see what comes up. Sam, Please, the floor is yours.
Speaker 1: What do you have to say? What do you want
Speaker 1: us to know about C spiracy? Well, now, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of what you need to know about c
Speaker 1: spiracy comes in about the first minute, so literally a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes into the film, the director and host
Speaker 1: Allee tow Breezy hits us with a motion graphic of
Speaker 1: a whale taking a giant watery dump, along with the
Speaker 1: following statement quote. When whales and dolphins returned to the
Speaker 1: surface to breathe, they fertilize tiny marine plants in the
Speaker 1: ocean called phytoplankton, which every year absorbed four times the
Speaker 1: amount of carbon dioxide that the Amazon rainforest does and
Speaker 1: generates up to eight of the oxygen we breathe. So
Speaker 1: in a world concerned with carbon and climate change, protecting
Speaker 1: these animals meant protecting the entire planet. The way I
Speaker 1: saw it was if dolphins and whales die, the ocean dies,
Speaker 1: and if the ocean dies, so do we end quote.
Speaker 1: So individual parts of that may be accurate planked in
Speaker 1: our plants, so they do absorb carbon and produce oxygen.
Speaker 1: Cetacean feces certainly fertilize these microscopic bio communities, but they're
Speaker 1: hardly the only source of nutrients. However, Tabreezi is general
Speaker 1: bent and phrasing seems to imply that A plus B
Speaker 1: equals see, or that we are only able to live
Speaker 1: and breathe because of marine mammals, which leaves the discerning
Speaker 1: viewer wondering what other information in this film is complete?
Speaker 1: Whale ship? Yeah, doesn't he drop a stat in there
Speaker 1: that of the oxygen we breathe comes basically from from
Speaker 1: whale dukey something like that? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, he
Speaker 1: does not the trees or leaves or anything, just that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh So it turns out there's a lot of inform
Speaker 1: information in here, and I'm gonna let Stephen break down
Speaker 1: all the science he shipped here in a minute, but
Speaker 1: first credit where credit is due. C Spiracy does point
Speaker 1: out some real glaring issues with the health of our oceans,
Speaker 1: including climate change, pollution, plastic refuse, and over fishing, and
Speaker 1: then beyond over fishing, like it shows that there's real
Speaker 1: slavery and murder and piracy and just rape and pillage
Speaker 1: and awful ship on the high sea ease. And you know,
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of that stuff. I imagine you
Speaker 1: guys did too. This has been receiving coverage forever, but
Speaker 1: it's also pretty isolated to like Eastern Africa and Southeast Asia.
Speaker 1: In places that you know, we as Americans don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of impact on. And you know, if if
Speaker 1: if people didn't know about that stuff previously then Saucy
Speaker 1: spiracy and found out, then good, that's that's great, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's helpful that people are learning these things. But
Speaker 1: like you know, you should continue to educate yourself through real,
Speaker 1: reputable publications, not whatever that film was. So you're not
Speaker 1: saying that doesn't happen, because it does in other countries.
Speaker 1: But he sort of framed it like this is the
Speaker 1: commercial fishing industry as a whole exactly exactly. It paints
Speaker 1: with a really broad brush and and I'll get into
Speaker 1: that in a minute, but you know, ultimately on on
Speaker 1: on the premise that Earth socians are not as healthy
Speaker 1: as they could be and that real action is needed
Speaker 1: to solve these crisis. Like Steve and I we tend
Speaker 1: to agree with c spiracy, But the problem is, like
Speaker 1: their their conclusion is that we need to become vegan
Speaker 1: to solve all these problems, and on that we we
Speaker 1: tend to differ. And that's the essential problem with C
Speaker 1: spiracy and for me and for a lot of other people.
Speaker 1: By the end, you realize the whole point that the
Speaker 1: whole film was designed to drive viewers toward an understanding that,
Speaker 1: because of the poor health of our oceans, is no
Speaker 1: longer ethical to eat fish at all, or any other
Speaker 1: animal products for that matter. And here here's another indicative
Speaker 1: comment about sustainable fisheries that comes towards the end of
Speaker 1: the film from Dr Richard open Lander, who is a
Speaker 1: dentist and activist and a vegan food producer, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't have any dog in this fight. Quote. They make
Speaker 1: it appear on paper as if eating, on one hand,
Speaker 1: sustainably produced salmon is better than killing a blue fin
Speaker 1: tuna and therefore creates a justification in the eyes of
Speaker 1: the consumer. But that's like essentially saying that it's more
Speaker 1: sustainable to shoot a polar bear than shooting a panda. Women. Reality,
Speaker 1: neither one is sustainable and neither one is right to do.
Speaker 1: End quote. Oh that's scene. I'm sorry, but that scene
Speaker 1: because you're the cartoon of each of those bears and
Speaker 1: like the red blood come down over it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the front stat and I think we haven't mentioned yet,
Speaker 1: like what hits you very early on? Is there suggesting
Speaker 1: what is it by if we if we keep going,
Speaker 1: there will literally be nothing left living in the ocean
Speaker 1: or or nothing that we can we can we can
Speaker 1: catch and feed ourselves with. Yeah, they like they like
Speaker 1: that that one a lot. And uh and Steven's got
Speaker 1: some stuff coming up for you about how that is
Speaker 1: complete whale ship if you will. But first, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to address the sustainable fisheries part. And and like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is completely anecdotal from my experience, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know it's an American American
Speaker 1: fisheries are managed based on science at the very least.
Speaker 1: You know, you can have your own definitions of stays
Speaker 1: to sustainability, and Stephen will discuss that. But I just
Speaker 1: want to tell everybody what I saw as a as
Speaker 1: a commercial fisherman, as a young man working in Alaska.
Speaker 1: I spent a good portion of my young adult life
Speaker 1: working on on salmon um boats or shooting polar bears. Um.
Speaker 1: If you follow follow off in landers analogy and millions
Speaker 1: of them too. Um. But you know I wasn't pressed
Speaker 1: into that service. I hustled my ass off to get
Speaker 1: that job. There was nearly zero by catching our salmon
Speaker 1: saying behind besides jellyfish um, which those populations are not
Speaker 1: like doing badly in that area, and what few rockfish
Speaker 1: and uh kelt greenlings and salmon sharks that did turn
Speaker 1: up in our saying we're always turned back alive, although
Speaker 1: that did get pretty rowdy with salmon sharks a few times. UM.
Speaker 1: And you know, they talked so much about how the
Speaker 1: biggest problem with commercial fishing is the abandoned nets, the
Speaker 1: abandoned waste that comes from it, That of the plastic
Speaker 1: and the Great Pacific garbage Patch is commercial fishing gear.
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know a single commercial fisherman in
Speaker 1: all my years living in Alaska who had abandoned their
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollar net that they've spent years working on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's just no one would ever
Speaker 1: even think about that. I'm not saying that trash doesn't
Speaker 1: exist out there, but just for people who haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: The other argument they're making, we hear about microplastics and
Speaker 1: bottles and garbage, and basically they're trying to say none
Speaker 1: of that is really a problem at all. The majority
Speaker 1: of the plastic out there is discarded commercial fishing gear.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and what a step should we understand that
Speaker 1: what a step back for like the enviro mental movement.
Speaker 1: And that was one of the most comical things in
Speaker 1: the film is how he went into all those uh,
Speaker 1: those nonprofits in California who are trying to reduce you know,
Speaker 1: single use plastics and stuff, and he's like, you're not
Speaker 1: doing anything. All your work is useless and garbage, and
Speaker 1: like what we're we're trying to help. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It felt like he was really backstabbing some natural allies
Speaker 1: he might have had. Well, what he was trying to
Speaker 1: say was that the reason they won't come out against
Speaker 1: nets is because they're all secretly backed by the commercial
Speaker 1: fishing industry. And I don't I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: true or not. You know, he didn't seem to offer
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of real proof there, but
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
Speaker 1: But in terms of sustainable fisheries, you know, every salmon
Speaker 1: we caught went straight from the net into a refrigerated
Speaker 1: seawater hole, and then at the end of the day
Speaker 1: we would deliver those fish out of our hold into
Speaker 1: a tender vessel where they also went into refrigerated seawater
Speaker 1: and those tenders would run all night to processing facilities
Speaker 1: back into town own. And I mean, and this is
Speaker 1: not like an unregulated frontier bonanza as commercial fishing is
Speaker 1: portrayed in the film. Like, we listened to daily radio
Speaker 1: broadcasts from the Alaska Department of Fishing Game regarding which
Speaker 1: areas would be open the next day, and you know,
Speaker 1: and that was completely based on fish delivery reports, reports
Speaker 1: from the previous day and spotter plane observations. So a
Speaker 1: d F and G was always aware of how many
Speaker 1: fish are being caught, how many fish are coming into
Speaker 1: Prince William Sound. And they also had a pretty good
Speaker 1: idea like where those fish were going. So if there's
Speaker 1: certain basins that were under escaping, they would close massive
Speaker 1: areas around there so those creeks would get enough salmon
Speaker 1: coming back. And man, like, I did a lot of
Speaker 1: exploring when I was up there, and I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of creeks that were so thick with salmon you
Speaker 1: could literally like if you wanted to walk across the
Speaker 1: creek on those on those fish, and then the bay
Speaker 1: in front of the preek would be filled with tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of more fish. And so just like the
Speaker 1: biomass up there is just incredible. And then you know,
Speaker 1: the last summer I was up there, I was there
Speaker 1: for the largest pink salmon run in history ever recorded
Speaker 1: in Prince william Sound, higher than it had ever been
Speaker 1: since they were measuring that kind of thing. And I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good sign of sustainability when you're actually
Speaker 1: getting more fish year after year. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of different factors at play here, and not all
Speaker 1: sand and species are doing that well. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's something that I could feel proud of, and I
Speaker 1: think is indicative of how a lot of American and
Speaker 1: Canadian fisheries are managed. Um that there's a lot of science,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of restraint, and you can you can
Speaker 1: expect a product that was harvested in a pretty conscientious manner,
Speaker 1: but you can't reasonally expect the same fishing practices from
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the world, like and
Speaker 1: and and the stuff that's not labeled, like you really
Speaker 1: don't know, Like if you order a bucket of popcorn
Speaker 1: shrimp Popeye's chicken, as I did and immediately regretted last weekend,
Speaker 1: it's likely that meat came from unmanaged fishing or delatious acquaculture,
Speaker 1: or maybe it didn't, but you can find out you
Speaker 1: picked the wrong dipping sauce, because that's delicious anyway. It
Speaker 1: was late at night, it was all they had left.
Speaker 1: But you can find out in a lot of those
Speaker 1: situations through websites for the Marine Stewardship Council and the
Speaker 1: Monterey Bay Aquarium UM, which also include labels on a
Speaker 1: lot of fish products, but simpler still in restaurants and
Speaker 1: at fish deli counters like I would really encourage people
Speaker 1: to only purchase fish that was wild caught in America
Speaker 1: or Canada because that's something I believe that you can
Speaker 1: feel good about. But best of all, you can just
Speaker 1: catch and eat the damn fish yourself like to do.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's our overarching message here. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: think it is fair to note that if you look
Speaker 1: at a lot of of c spiracy like he does
Speaker 1: not spend a lot of time on American boats. I mean,
Speaker 1: most of what they're showing you is practices in other countries.
Speaker 1: There's similarities on the East Coast here with the bluefin season,
Speaker 1: and bluefin play a large part in that. But these
Speaker 1: guys literally don't know any given day whether they'll be
Speaker 1: able to go tomorrow because it's so heavily monitored, and
Speaker 1: the quota is so heavily monitored that can shut down
Speaker 1: at at any any point in the season. I was
Speaker 1: kind of intrigued at Miles. I'm sure you were too,
Speaker 1: by the amount of fact checking data sources that popped up.
Speaker 1: And that's sort of a little a little trick to
Speaker 1: make your your information sound more realistic and researched and
Speaker 1: throughout the more valid. Right, So throughout the entire documentary,
Speaker 1: every fact that he puts up, there's the very small,
Speaker 1: hard to read source where that information came from. And
Speaker 1: Steve and I believe you've you've taken a little dive
Speaker 1: into you've broken down some of those, uh those sources
Speaker 1: and and and can enlighten us on some of those, Yes,
Speaker 1: I have, And I can't go into every single one
Speaker 1: of the claims, but I just touching on a couple
Speaker 1: of main ones where they build the rest of their
Speaker 1: premise and argument off the information that it's wrong to
Speaker 1: begin sum So the Sam stated, you know, there's obviously
Speaker 1: issues with the world ocean, but we really need to
Speaker 1: be aware of how those are presented and so not
Speaker 1: going into anything that would be opinionated too much or anything.
Speaker 1: But the big thing from this film is that they
Speaker 1: present no solution rather than there's the one don't eat fish,
Speaker 1: just stop eating fish. Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, as
Speaker 1: Sam mentioned, you know, eating us wild caught. That goes
Speaker 1: a long way, along with other things. But for me,
Speaker 1: as a science minded person, you know, I always go
Speaker 1: back to the data. You know, what did the data
Speaker 1: tell us, rather than just accepting a blanket statement with
Speaker 1: a very small sourced information in the corner that you
Speaker 1: can't read. And so once you start digging into the data,
Speaker 1: that's kind of where bascets of the movie start to
Speaker 1: fall apart, namely that no fishing is sustainable or that
Speaker 1: there's no way to define sustainable fishing, and that all
Speaker 1: fish stocks in the ocean could collapse by So a
Speaker 1: large part of the film is based off these beliefs,
Speaker 1: and that builds the further lines of questions and investigation.
Speaker 1: But the problem is, and this goes to something that
Speaker 1: is referred to as Brandolini's law, or the difficulty in
Speaker 1: refuting bullshit. So that law sta the amount of energy
Speaker 1: needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger
Speaker 1: than is needed to produce it. Pans are not only wrong.
Speaker 1: So here in lanes the problems the front center that
Speaker 1: all fisheries would collapse. That is a myth that is
Speaker 1: based on one small part of one much larger study
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, and that basically amounts to
Speaker 1: more or less a lazy extrapolation of data. So in
Speaker 1: that study, a small part of it there is um
Speaker 1: the researchers were looking at some recent catch numbers from
Speaker 1: a few declining fish population at that time, and then
Speaker 1: they just extrapolate and draw the line out. Well, if
Speaker 1: you have a declining line, eventually that line is going
Speaker 1: to hit zero, right, And this caused a big ship
Speaker 1: storm in the fisheries world back then and beyond, and
Speaker 1: and really it was that big headline that was picked
Speaker 1: up by the media and spread throughout the news outlet,
Speaker 1: and so many other scientists refuted this claim and had
Speaker 1: the data to back it up. And so a couple
Speaker 1: of years later after this, the authors and other scientists
Speaker 1: went back and forth. They came out with a new
Speaker 1: study in two thousand nine, which included some of the
Speaker 1: same scientists from the study that was produced in two
Speaker 1: thousand six that made that original claim, and those scientists
Speaker 1: they looked at a hundred sixty six fish populations at
Speaker 1: the time and came to the conclusion that, you know,
Speaker 1: the ocean fish stocks are not on a path photo collapse,
Speaker 1: and they've actually been stable over the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: But once the bullshit gets out there, it's hard to
Speaker 1: get rid of us. So over the last fifteen years,
Speaker 1: again and again, the same idea that fisheries are going
Speaker 1: to collapse resurfaces, and it's a catchy headline and doom
Speaker 1: and gloom kind of thing, but it's just not true. Um.
Speaker 1: And so more recently a study out of the University
Speaker 1: of Washington examine eight two fish stocks, so much more
Speaker 1: than the previous study in two thousand nine that refuted
Speaker 1: the claim, so even more data their backup that that
Speaker 1: research of the fisheries that were considered even over fish
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine had improved, and overall sixty of
Speaker 1: the world's fisheries are not over fish, and that accounts
Speaker 1: for eight of all seafood. And so there are regional issues,
Speaker 1: there's illegal harvest, human rights issues within the fishing industry,
Speaker 1: but by and large, managed fisheries are sustainable, and so
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between fishery that are managed in
Speaker 1: the US and areas where they're not managed in the
Speaker 1: high seas or developing countries. But it's been shown time
Speaker 1: and time again by the world leading marine fisheries researchers
Speaker 1: fisheries can in fact be sustainable. In the film, the
Speaker 1: example that the European Commissioner for Maritime Affairs and Fisheries
Speaker 1: uses is a great analogy basically that if you have
Speaker 1: some capital in the bank and you're only spending the
Speaker 1: interest gained off of that capital, you will be sustainable
Speaker 1: into perpetuity. Same idea when it comes to fisheries. As
Speaker 1: another argument against sustainable fisheries, filmmakers bring in the issue
Speaker 1: of fisheries by catch and the stand mentioned you know,
Speaker 1: it might not be a big of an issue, and
Speaker 1: it's it certainly happens, and it's a varying degrees and
Speaker 1: varying impacts depending on situation. But the idea that forty
Speaker 1: percent of all catches thrown back as bycatch is incorrect,
Speaker 1: and that comes down to semantics again, and one singular
Speaker 1: study that makes the play so the United Nations Food
Speaker 1: and Agriculture organization. The widely accepted terminology and definition of
Speaker 1: bycatch is the total catch of non target animals by
Speaker 1: catch HAP. But bycatch can either be used or turned
Speaker 1: back with no further harm or discarded and you know
Speaker 1: slow levels mortality. In two thousand nine, there was a
Speaker 1: group of people working with some NGOs that decided that
Speaker 1: they were going to redefine the word by catch, so
Speaker 1: it's not just the total catch of non target animals.
Speaker 1: Those authors in that study used that bycatch is catch
Speaker 1: that is either unused or unmanaged, and so not to
Speaker 1: get too far in the weeds, but essentially, if there's
Speaker 1: a fishery that's unmanaged, all that fish would be considered
Speaker 1: by catch for their coaltation. It got it. That's an
Speaker 1: important piece of information when looking at those numbers, right,
Speaker 1: and so just as an example of that, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the information used to get to that, it's
Speaker 1: information from a in a bottom trall fishery in India
Speaker 1: where there were some instances of illegal nets, you m
Speaker 1: in their regard to that. Therefore, all the catch from
Speaker 1: the bottom trawl fishing was considered by catch. So it's
Speaker 1: just consulates the numbers and discards bycatch it's an unfortunate
Speaker 1: reality of the global food system. Whether fishing or farming,
Speaker 1: there is some level of waste, but it's much more
Speaker 1: like ten P than But the idea that you know
Speaker 1: data from was irrelevant too, was relevant in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: and it's still relevant today. And that's a red flag
Speaker 1: in and of itself, you know, And just as another
Speaker 1: example of that, you know, when they state that two
Speaker 1: d fifty thousand sea turtles are killed in the US annually,
Speaker 1: that's data from two thousand. It may have been true
Speaker 1: to some degree at that point, but it's important because
Speaker 1: that spurred the development and advancement of fisheries. Oh, we
Speaker 1: have a problem where managed fisheries. Let's fix this problem.
Speaker 1: So those fisheries have developed things called turtle excluder devices
Speaker 1: on their net. So more recently turtle deaths are down
Speaker 1: to only annually, and turtle populations by and large are increased. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a piece of paper that says
Speaker 1: I have a PhD. But I don't need that to
Speaker 1: tell you that four thousand is a little bit less
Speaker 1: than two. Yeah, So I mean it looks I think
Speaker 1: we have There are a lot of ways, thank thanks
Speaker 1: to both of you guys that were able to refute
Speaker 1: some of the the quote unquote factual claims here and
Speaker 1: and I think that's important to parse out and to
Speaker 1: look at. But I gotta say, like, personally, from from
Speaker 1: my perspective as a journalist, as a writer, uh my, my,
Speaker 1: My maiden objection to this film is the sophomoric approach
Speaker 1: that takes to to storytelling, right. Like, the analogy I
Speaker 1: have for this is that it reminds me of a
Speaker 1: ninety minute visual version of of that the intro to
Speaker 1: college writing persuasive essay, you know that we all had
Speaker 1: to write like so the filmmaker picked the topic that
Speaker 1: he was like personally an emotionally invested in, and he
Speaker 1: did some research and he came to a sweeping and
Speaker 1: impassioned conclusion. And I'm familiar with this because I read
Speaker 1: a lot. I read a lot of these essays when
Speaker 1: I taught writing one of one, and many of them
Speaker 1: spoke in uh equal moral certainty about the legalizing of
Speaker 1: marijuana and that being the answer to all of society's problems,
Speaker 1: from social inequity to climate change. And kind of similar
Speaker 1: to those essays, there are seeds of ideas in here
Speaker 1: with which we all agree. I agree, you agree like
Speaker 1: all those things that Sam brought up, that Stephen brought up, Uh,
Speaker 1: that many of us have brought their major problems, and
Speaker 1: and all of these are valid and need to be
Speaker 1: addressed and looked at and given some attention. We all
Speaker 1: agree with that. But to land on the conclusion that's
Speaker 1: simply ceasing to eat all seafood is the answer to
Speaker 1: all of these problems and we'll create some global panacea.
Speaker 1: It straight. It strikes me as just as erroneous as
Speaker 1: claiming that legal weed will make us the utopic states
Speaker 1: of America. I just like, I see so many corallarias
Speaker 1: there and it feels so similar to me. He he
Speaker 1: came in with with fact toys that like are just
Speaker 1: so bizarre. But it's like you say, the one oh
Speaker 1: one style of essay writing, it's sort of like, well
Speaker 1: it will help us. Just throw that in there too,
Speaker 1: Just throw that in there. You just throw that in there. Like,
Speaker 1: Like one of my favorites was that, uh, fish moving
Speaker 1: throughout the water column constantly regulates the temperature of the ocean.
Speaker 1: So if there are no fish moving throughout the water column,
Speaker 1: now that is a big reason why the ocean is
Speaker 1: warming and we're having more hurricanes and all this stuff. Yet,
Speaker 1: like if if you know fish, and Stephen backed me up,
Speaker 1: but if you look at most ocean fisheries, it's all
Speaker 1: relatively inshore, like very like most most of the fish
Speaker 1: live pretty close to the continental shelves or or close
Speaker 1: to land. Like if you go out in the dead
Speaker 1: center of the Atlantic Ocean, like there's not a whole
Speaker 1: lot of stuff just swimming around out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the ocean. So that one just caught me as
Speaker 1: sort of like really, man, like, you're gonna tell people
Speaker 1: that fish moving around in the ocean regulates the temperatre
Speaker 1: or the ocean to the point where it will warm
Speaker 1: too much. If they're not, it's just let's forget about
Speaker 1: the golf stream and weather and the coreolis effect. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, dude, you know the stripers swim
Speaker 1: up and down, it gets warmer and cold, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm not even saying that there's not some like
Speaker 1: minor like like itty bitty fact in there somewhere, But
Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things he just threw out
Speaker 1: as supportive of his claim, And it's like, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about man. So I did a bunch of
Speaker 1: reading on elsewhere on this and I'm gonna I want
Speaker 1: to quote from this article that I found in Hakai magazine,
Speaker 1: which I think does a really good job of summing
Speaker 1: up my personal perspective on this film. It was written
Speaker 1: by a guy named Josh Silberg, and and he wrote
Speaker 1: quote in his search around the World for one Villain
Speaker 1: behind all the oceans Ills. Too Breezy reduces a complex
Speaker 1: tangle of social, political, and environmental factors into one simple
Speaker 1: narrative as he cues ominous music and tells stories and generalities.
Speaker 1: Too Breezy glosses over nuance. Though the film misleads viewers
Speaker 1: with over simplified science, it's real harm is that it
Speaker 1: ignores the history, culture, and systemic inequalities that are entwined
Speaker 1: with ocean conservation. The film is right that there are
Speaker 1: real problems in the ocean and have been for years,
Speaker 1: but Too Breezy seems to constantly be alluding to the
Speaker 1: fact that there's some cover up. That conspiracy mindset is
Speaker 1: a common theme throughout and and personally I could not
Speaker 1: agree with with sober more and in that way, I
Speaker 1: think c spiracy is very much a product of our time, right,
Speaker 1: It's it it resonates to me with so much of
Speaker 1: our media. That's that's cloaked in this this political theater, right,
Speaker 1: We're we're inundated with these stories about clear and obvious
Speaker 1: heroes and villains and equally clear and obvious and simple
Speaker 1: solutions to our problems if not for some deeply entrenched
Speaker 1: and shady conspiratorial entity who's supposedly manipulating all of us
Speaker 1: behind the scenes to ruin our lives and our planet.
Speaker 1: But the problems are more called you than that. That's
Speaker 1: just there is that that doesn't fit right, And so
Speaker 1: Soberg concludes his criticism by saying, had to Breezy looked
Speaker 1: into any of these issues in greater depth, he'd found
Speaker 1: that journalists have been covering these sorts of stories for
Speaker 1: years without glossing over the nuance. The point being, for
Speaker 1: me personally, these these issues have been under scrutiny by
Speaker 1: experts and scientists and researchers and writers for a really
Speaker 1: long time. And what I want all of us to
Speaker 1: ask ourselves is what makes more sense? Does it seem
Speaker 1: more plausible that some twenty seven year old with a
Speaker 1: camera and a love of whales and no actual training
Speaker 1: cracked some long hidden vault of truths being suppressed by
Speaker 1: all right of governments and industry and conservation organizations and
Speaker 1: media outlets. They're all conspiring to kill the ocean for profit?
Speaker 1: Or does it make more sense that these are actually
Speaker 1: just really complicated problems and that many people are working
Speaker 1: their assets out to figure out viable solutions with difficult
Speaker 1: set of constraints. I personally am going to go with
Speaker 1: the ladder as making a hell of a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. Wow, there there's our c spiracy
Speaker 1: deep dive. We hope that that answered a bunch of
Speaker 1: questions for you guys, and can't thank Sam and Stephen
Speaker 1: enough for jumping in on that so that we had
Speaker 1: more informed things to say than what Miles and I
Speaker 1: would have come up with alone. Email us you already
Speaker 1: have been let us know your thoughts. Were always happy
Speaker 1: to hear from you, guys bent at the meat Eator
Speaker 1: dot com. And actually, what are we moving into next? Miles?
Speaker 1: I think Stevens gonna help us out there too in
Speaker 1: a way. Stephen is going to help us there. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do a finclips after this on the pike minnow
Speaker 1: and uh I put that one together. But if you
Speaker 1: want to hear more about it and see more of Steven,
Speaker 1: go over to the media dot com and check them out.
Speaker 1: And then after but we won't get there until after
Speaker 1: we hear from our illustrious engineer Phil about his favorite
Speaker 1: sharks and why. I'd say my favorite shark is probably
Speaker 1: the basking shark. Even though it's apparently pretty gentle and
Speaker 1: low moving, the image of a feeding basking shark is
Speaker 1: a love crafty and nightmare. Its mouth looks like a portal,
Speaker 1: and swimming through it could take you through the cosmic
Speaker 1: layers of time and space and right to the great
Speaker 1: Beast Cthulhu himself. And you know that could be a
Speaker 1: fun weekend activity for the whole family. Some years back,
Speaker 1: I got to spend a few weeks floating through the
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon. Once you get away from Lee's ferry, the
Speaker 1: Colorado River isn't much of a destination fishery. You float
Speaker 1: the Grand to experience one of America's most stunning wilderness
Speaker 1: areas and to challenge yourself on some of the biggest
Speaker 1: white water in North America. Plus you get to live,
Speaker 1: at least for a while as a complete river rat,
Speaker 1: once you push away from the bank and dive into
Speaker 1: the walls of the canyon, there's no going back. You
Speaker 1: have two hundred river miles to cover with nothing but
Speaker 1: the supplies packed in your boats. It's the kind of
Speaker 1: self sufficient adventure that's pretty much absent in the major
Speaker 1: already of our lives. A trip down the ground should
Speaker 1: be on everyone's bucket list, but like I said, it's
Speaker 1: not usually a fishing trip. In fact, I was the
Speaker 1: only angler among our crew. I knew the opportunities to
Speaker 1: cast a line would be few, and the chances of
Speaker 1: catching fish in many places pretty slim, but I packed
Speaker 1: a couple of travel rods in the bottom of my
Speaker 1: dry bag. Anyway, there are a handful of exceptional trout
Speaker 1: streams to feed the graund and I did pretty well.
Speaker 1: I can into a couple of them, but I can
Speaker 1: catch trout at home, the fish I really hope to encounter,
Speaker 1: though I knew the odds were vanishing. Lee Slim can
Speaker 1: grow over six ft long and weigh more than eighty pounds.
Speaker 1: It's the only native aquatic predator in its range, feeding
Speaker 1: primarily on other fish, but also rumored to take mice, birds,
Speaker 1: and even small rabbits despite its lack of teeth. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the Colorado pike minnow, the largest minnow in
Speaker 1: North America. Side note I learned while researching this they
Speaker 1: are not the large mennow in the world as I
Speaker 1: had previously thought. That distinction belongs to the giant barbed
Speaker 1: cat Locarpio siamensis, which lives in Southeast Asia and can
Speaker 1: go over ten ft and almost a hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll do a finclipse on that strangers
Speaker 1: looking beast, but not today. Colorado pike mindows are only
Speaker 1: found in the Colorado River drainage and were once abundant
Speaker 1: throughout that system, which includes rivers in Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada,
Speaker 1: and California. Settlers relied on pike midows as food fish,
Speaker 1: and some reports claim that creative or maybe just lazy,
Speaker 1: Frontier anglers used horses to drag the massive fish from
Speaker 1: the water. At the time, they were known as white
Speaker 1: salmon because of their migratory spawning journeys. Though pike midows
Speaker 1: don't go to sea, they would travel up to two
Speaker 1: hundred miles to find optimal habitat in the spring. As
Speaker 1: the primary artery for the American Southwest, the Colorado River
Speaker 1: has been so damned in dewatered that it hardly resembles
Speaker 1: the muscular river it once was. Pike mindows can no
Speaker 1: longer make those impressive runs to optimal reproductive habitat. Their
Speaker 1: home waters are now colder and more controlled, and they
Speaker 1: have new non native competitors. Colorado pike midows have been
Speaker 1: endangered since nineteen sixty seven, which is why my chances
Speaker 1: of actually catching one were miniscule and I didn't. There
Speaker 1: are four distinct species of pike meadows in North America, Colorado, Umpqua, Sacramento,
Speaker 1: and Northern. Good News, the Colorado pike mendow is the
Speaker 1: only one that seems incapable of effectively adapting to life
Speaker 1: in a damned river system. Bad news. The Northern pike
Speaker 1: meddow has proven itself so good at thriving in the
Speaker 1: reservoirs and slow moving pools of the Columbia and Snake
Speaker 1: Rivers that they are harming salmon and steelhead populations. Northern
Speaker 1: pike midows consume millions of juvenile salmon and steelhead each year.
Speaker 1: Putting added stress on iconic fish that are already struggling.
Speaker 1: More bad news. Northern pike midows only get about ten
Speaker 1: percent as large as their Colorado counterparts, maxing out around
Speaker 1: seven pounds, so they're not nearly as a tract of
Speaker 1: a sport fish, but anglers who choose to target them
Speaker 1: can find value beyond their size. Since the Bonneville Power
Speaker 1: Administration and Pacific States Fisheries Commission have teamed up with
Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington's Departments of Fisheries to administer the Northern
Speaker 1: Pike Minow Sport Reward Program. The program runs from May
Speaker 1: one to September and pays anglers five to eight bucks
Speaker 1: for every Northern pike midow they turn in over nine inches,
Speaker 1: depending on the size. Some enterprising anglers are making real
Speaker 1: money fishing for northern pike mindows. The top twenty who
Speaker 1: participated in the program last year averaged over twenty grand,
Speaker 1: and one brought in nearly fifty thou dollars and five
Speaker 1: months of fishing for the record, that's far more than
Speaker 1: I ever made as a fishing guide in five months.
Speaker 1: Best of all, it seems to be proving effective since
Speaker 1: the sport Reward programs started putting bounties on northern pike
Speaker 1: midows thirty years ago. More than five million fish have
Speaker 1: been culled from the system, and some reports indicate that
Speaker 1: the northern pike menoputation on Salmanas has decreased. In a
Speaker 1: somewhat ironic twist, the Arizona Fish and Game Department is
Speaker 1: now offering bounties on Salmond's to help protect pike minnows
Speaker 1: in the Colorado River. As Joe covered in Fish News
Speaker 1: a few months back, anglers fishing around Lee's Ferry, the
Speaker 1: same area where Grand Canyon raft trips begin get twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars for every brown trout over six inches they
Speaker 1: bring to an area check station. Brown trout are not
Speaker 1: native to the Colorado or anywhere on this continent for
Speaker 1: that matter, and aggressive browns can prey upon juvenile pike
Speaker 1: mindows and other endangered native fish in the Colorado System,
Speaker 1: like the humpbacked chubb. So while pike midows are harming
Speaker 1: native salmanas in one fishery, Salmanas or harming native pike
Speaker 1: mindows and another fishery, but in both cases, sport fishing
Speaker 1: is being leveraged as a tool to help the underdogs. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not per really convinced the killing brown trout around
Speaker 1: Lee's Ferry will save Colorado pike mendows. That's just one
Speaker 1: of the tools that the Upper Colorado Endangered Fish Recovery
Speaker 1: Program is using to hopefully help boost pike minnow recruitment numbers.
Speaker 1: They're also requesting the Flaming Gorge damn increased springtime releases
Speaker 1: to better mimic the historic seasonal flow cycle and help
Speaker 1: Colorado pike mindows successfully spawn more often. I can only
Speaker 1: hope that program works and that if my kid floats
Speaker 1: down the Grand Canyon when he's grown, he'll get to
Speaker 1: double over a route on a musky sized minnow. Man,
Speaker 1: it's a shame. Pike minnows are critically endangered because they
Speaker 1: sound like they pull and eat pretty much anything. I
Speaker 1: want to catch one so so bad. Sam Longeran and
Speaker 1: I have this conversation like once a month. They have.
Speaker 1: Those fish have all the attributes that that anglers love,
Speaker 1: Like if you just were to if you were to
Speaker 1: strip out the minnow part and just talk about the
Speaker 1: in general terms, like they get big, they're they're the
Speaker 1: top of the food chain. They push around all the
Speaker 1: other fish in the river. They will attack and kill
Speaker 1: like anything, and I've never caught one, right, But but
Speaker 1: I feel like any generic presentation that you could get
Speaker 1: in front of one, so long as it vaguely looks
Speaker 1: edible and scared, would get munched. Actually, on that note,
Speaker 1: Joe's about the schools on an overlooked generic fish catcher
Speaker 1: that everyone should probably have on hand, but doesn't even better.
Speaker 1: If you're looking to catch some of the finest catfish
Speaker 1: and both in bait you could possibly find on the
Speaker 1: Eastern Seaboard, these lures will catch that too. Well, that's
Speaker 1: not loud enough. In past end of the line segments,
Speaker 1: I've said that it's often difficult to trace the lure's
Speaker 1: origin back any further than when it became mass produced.
Speaker 1: But in the case of the shad dart, I can't
Speaker 1: even figure out when mass production really started, because in essence,
Speaker 1: it still isn't like a big seller. I mean, sure,
Speaker 1: you can find shad darts made by companies like Marathon
Speaker 1: and a few others on the shelves of big box stores,
Speaker 1: and they'll be two or three darts in one bubble pack,
Speaker 1: and you're most likely to find the color selection limited
Speaker 1: they'll have red and white, maybe red and yellow, and
Speaker 1: perhaps shark shrews and dark green, because those are the classics.
Speaker 1: But for the vast majority of anglers that really rely
Speaker 1: on shad darts, they're not usually picking them up from
Speaker 1: the big box store. More likely, they picked them up
Speaker 1: from a local shop that works with a local dart
Speaker 1: maker who knows exactly which colors the local anglers and
Speaker 1: fish are hungry for. The only things really known about
Speaker 1: the shad darts origins is they first appeared in the
Speaker 1: Northeast well over fifty years ago, and since they hit
Speaker 1: the scene, they've predominantly been distributed by garage and basement
Speaker 1: dart makers. So what is a shad dart. Well, it's
Speaker 1: one of the cheapest, simplest, most effective lures you can own.
Speaker 1: Yet most anglers that live outside of regions like the
Speaker 1: Northeast and mid Atlantic that have thriving cultures revolve around
Speaker 1: the annual spring runs of hickory and American shad don't
Speaker 1: own any A shad dart is just a compact lead jig.
Speaker 1: They can weigh as little as one six an ounce
Speaker 1: and as much as a full ounce. Their cone shaped
Speaker 1: and the wider front end is sort of sliced off
Speaker 1: at an angle to create a sloping face. The hooks
Speaker 1: are molded right into the body and the line tie
Speaker 1: I protrudes from the darts back, so the lore always
Speaker 1: falls and swims horizontally. Darts often have a tiny pinch
Speaker 1: of bucktail tied on the hook, but there could also
Speaker 1: be a little bit of synthetic flash material back there,
Speaker 1: or no tail at all naked As we say, it's
Speaker 1: the goofiest little lore, but it's actually a genius design.
Speaker 1: That wide angled face is designed to create water resistance.
Speaker 1: When real across the current, water bounces into flex off
Speaker 1: that face and gives the dart a unique shimmy. These days,
Speaker 1: flutterspoons have gotten very popular for shad, but as a kid,
Speaker 1: all my old man had on them for our annual
Speaker 1: trip to the Delaware Water Gap. For shad was a
Speaker 1: box of arts, and all you did was cast at
Speaker 1: a slight angle up current and steadily real the dart back.
Speaker 1: No jigging or finessing or twitching, just real, and if
Speaker 1: it got in front of the shad, the rod would
Speaker 1: just load up. When your line was right around eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: For most of my life, I didn't think anyone used
Speaker 1: shad darts for anything but chad, But that wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, research shows that in other parts of
Speaker 1: the country they're more commonly referred to as croppy darts
Speaker 1: or quill bees. And if you think about it, the
Speaker 1: same action that attracts shad is beneficial in a plethora
Speaker 1: of other fisheries, especially considering a dart can also replace
Speaker 1: a jig head. I've tipped them with a piece of
Speaker 1: blood worm to whack white perch. I've added a curly
Speaker 1: tail grub and used them to pick off some cropp eas.
Speaker 1: I even have a buddy that leans on simple shad
Speaker 1: darts for shallow water light line flounder fishing by tipping
Speaker 1: them with a strip of squid or a live mud minnow.
Speaker 1: Much like a metal spoon. A dart is equally effective
Speaker 1: jigged vertically or when you swim it, which means the
Speaker 1: ears of any hard water anglers listening right now should
Speaker 1: be perking up. So how many of you will heed
Speaker 1: my advice and mess with shad darts, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I know a whole bunch of you discovered the
Speaker 1: power of the trout magnet. One of my all time
Speaker 1: favorite lures for stock trout because of its inclusion and
Speaker 1: end of the line. I was peppered with photos and
Speaker 1: notes of thanks after that segment. But just in case
Speaker 1: you haven't put all the pieces together yet, your stringers
Speaker 1: filled faster this season, not because of the little soft
Speaker 1: plastic trout magnet meal worm you were dangling, but because
Speaker 1: of its shad dart head. Leland Lure company who makes
Speaker 1: the trout magnet actually have the ancient shad dart to
Speaker 1: thank for much of their success. They shrunk the dart
Speaker 1: down to micro size, harnessing the power of that angled
Speaker 1: head to make their lures dance, flit and wiggle as
Speaker 1: they ride the current. So if the dart plastic combo
Speaker 1: is so potent in microform, imagine what you might achieve letting,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a soft plastic crayfish or helgra might
Speaker 1: pinned on a bigger dart, slip down a juicy smallmouth,
Speaker 1: run under a little bit bigger float. So that's it
Speaker 1: for this week. If you're gonna be spending some time
Speaker 1: sitting on a bucket waiting for a little tap tap
Speaker 1: tap peroo, we've given you plenty to contemplate like drain
Speaker 1: plugs and the human response to forgetting about them. A
Speaker 1: dart you could probably stick in a pikemanow if they
Speaker 1: weren't nearly extinct, and the perfect accessory for the bait
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