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Speaker 1: I'm full shit. Don't tell me, well, you wear crocs, crocks.

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Speaker 1: But it was terrible ten years ago and it's terrible now.

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Speaker 1: Everything about the marketing for this product makes me cringe.

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Speaker 1: just utter chaos. I'm intrigued by bait jigging, Like what

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Speaker 1: fine if you don't move from that exact position and orientation,

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Speaker 1: Normally the is a part of the show where we

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Speaker 1: like one of those stories. And I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how the story spread, but my first day of high

425
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Speaker 1: school I come into gym class and the teachers like, Jayson,

426
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: I heard you sunk a both this summer, can you

427
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: tell the class? So just instantly it's just the story

428
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: spread and I had to tell everybody, And now I'm

429
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: telling the mediator listeners, and it's just like, man, so

430
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Speaker 1: I sunk a boat. A few a few thoughts on that.

431
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Speaker 1: For one, getting dropped off by your parents to guide

432
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: is way cooler than getting dropped off to bus tables,

433
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: which is what my parents are dropping me off to do.

434
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: So good on that. But also I think, like, look, look,

435
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: everybody knows there's like sort of like the whole like

436
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: Canadians are so much nicer than people down here, because

437
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: if you were that was like a lodge in Jersey,

438
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 1: the reaction for the owner like would not have been

439
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: the same. So so good on that too. For just like, Okay,

440
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: it's all right, I'm glad. It's kind of amazed that

441
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: you kept your job. Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm surprised I

442
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: got hired back a second year, that's for sure. That

443
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: wasn't the only mess up. But oh yeah, I heard

444
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: they got the motor running they had to bring into

445
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: the shop and pump the water and stuff. But they

446
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: didn't have to buy new motors, so that was a plus.

447
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: Well if it if it makes you feel better, I'll

448
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Speaker 1: admit to having done the same thing to drain alive

449
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: well on my boat up on plane. It drained right out,

450
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: and then I forgot about that, and then got a

451
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: call the next day that my boat was listing, and

452
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: of course I was two hours away from my boat,

453
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, just unlisted. Do what you

454
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: gotta do, and they like, yeah, but they caught it.

455
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 1: But I know that pain. I know that pain. Catch

456
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: U up on you quick. And now I feel superior

457
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Speaker 1: to both of you because I'm the only one on

458
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Speaker 1: this call who never sunk about Good for me, Thanks

459
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Speaker 1: a lunch. We appreciate you humbling yourself in public for

460
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: all of our entertainment. No problem. You can laugh at

461
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: my expense. So my favorite part of that is when

462
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: he said he felt so bad for the guy whose

463
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: boat that sank. It's it's yeah, It's like it's like

464
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 1: you know those announcements at Walmart's like attention customers. If

465
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Speaker 1: you're the owner of a red RAB four license plate

466
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, what's that about? What happened to

467
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: the rav they're getting towed? And then one day you're

468
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: barely paying attention because you're debating which flavor of cool

469
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: aid to buy for your catfish paint, and it's like, oh, ship,

470
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: that's they're talking about my truck, Drop everything and run.

471
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: You know, Jay's response felt very Canadian to me. And

472
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Speaker 1: I don't mean that in a in a dismissive or

473
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Speaker 1: I hope not offensive way. I think sixteen year old

474
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: boys in general are completely self centered jerks, and they're

475
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: so generally insecure that they're quick to revel in anyone

476
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: else's mistake because it deflects from their own screw ups,

477
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Absolutely, And I assume that

478
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Speaker 1: most American sixteen year olds in that situation be thinking,

479
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, what a jackass? What kind of dumb

480
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 1: guide sixes own boat at the dock, But they're sixteen

481
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: year old jays like, oh gosh, I sure feel bad

482
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: for that poor guy. I hope his gears okay, Like, yeah,

483
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. How many times have we said on

484
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: this show and I'm sure we're gonna say it again,

485
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: Canadians are just nicer than we are. That is fact,

486
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: they are nicer. They're just better human beings. Generally, I

487
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: think that's true. Generally, I do think that's true. But

488
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: I think we're also waiting into into into muddy waters here.

489
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: And that's enough of the cultural stereotypes. Let's pull the

490
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Speaker 1: plug on our current events, live well and to see

491
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: what's flopping around the bottom. Grab the easiest targets. It's

492
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: time for fish news. Fish news. That escalated quickly. Okay,

493
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: so we're we're shaking it up a bit for news

494
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: this week, kind of buy listener requests. So ever since

495
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: um Netflix documentary C Spiracy has dropped, we have just

496
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: been inundated, have we not Miles with people going what

497
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: is the deal with this? Have you boys seen this?

498
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: And is this bullshit? So it took us time to

499
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: finally sit down and watch it, which we have. And

500
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, Miles and I could just prattle on about

501
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: this and and and and give our thoughts and our opinions,

502
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: but I think it's fair to say it was an

503
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Speaker 1: impactful enough documentary enough people are talking about it from

504
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: all different angles that just having us blab on about

505
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: it and say some funny things, it's not gonna do

506
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: it justice we we really wanted to take a deep

507
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: dive into this, and I know a lot of you

508
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: guys are are interested in this, so um, yeah, I

509
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: mean we're going We're going, go ahead. I'm sorry to

510
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: cut you off, but like we could, we could just

511
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: give our semi informed but not really deeply informed opinions,

512
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: but lots of that's kind of the problem that we

513
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: see with the film itself. So rather than just recreating

514
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: the issues going on, we we dug into our deep, deep,

515
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: deep bench of meat eater in house talent to help

516
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: us kind of parse this out and draw some conclusions. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: so we're not doing the multiple news story thing today.

518
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Our entire news is devoted to to c spiracy, so

519
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: it's not really a competition, though. I challenge Phil at

520
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: the end of way in on and tell us what

521
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Speaker 1: his favorite shark is. No, that's what we want from

522
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Speaker 1: you today, um and why and why exactly? And I

523
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: will I would just say, and before we move along

524
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: here that I was turned off as soon as the

525
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: filmmaker in the beginning said he's always been fascinated by

526
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: whales and dolphins, not like sharks and barracuda. So right

527
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: then and there, I was like, I could just I

528
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 1: see where this is going. So um, we have some guests, Miles.

529
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Speaker 1: Who who's joining us today one of our esteemed editors

530
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Speaker 1: and colleagues, Sam Longdren. Sam has been on this show

531
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Speaker 1: before and giving us his his background. Sam actually has

532
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: some experience working as a commercial fisherman, so Sam's got

533
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: some unique perspective there. And we also have Steven Klobascher,

534
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: who if you pay attention to our our our fishy

535
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: content on the website, you will know that name because

536
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: Steven is one of our regular contributors. He's a post

537
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: doctoral candidate at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks in in fisheries.

538
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Fisheries biology is all right, Stephen, do have that? So

539
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: he He's going to come in from a and and

540
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of look at the science and the facts there

541
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: in ways that Joe and I just aren't qualified to do.

542
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: So really excited to hear what you guys have to say,

543
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: and then at the end we'll just have a conversation

544
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: and see what comes up. Sam, Please, the floor is yours.

545
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: What do you have to say? What do you want

546
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: us to know about C spiracy? Well, now, I think

547
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: a lot of what you need to know about c

548
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: spiracy comes in about the first minute, so literally a

549
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: couple of minutes into the film, the director and host

550
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: Allee tow Breezy hits us with a motion graphic of

551
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: a whale taking a giant watery dump, along with the

552
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: following statement quote. When whales and dolphins returned to the

553
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: surface to breathe, they fertilize tiny marine plants in the

554
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: ocean called phytoplankton, which every year absorbed four times the

555
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: amount of carbon dioxide that the Amazon rainforest does and

556
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: generates up to eight of the oxygen we breathe. So

557
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: in a world concerned with carbon and climate change, protecting

558
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: these animals meant protecting the entire planet. The way I

559
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: saw it was if dolphins and whales die, the ocean dies,

560
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: and if the ocean dies, so do we end quote.

561
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: So individual parts of that may be accurate planked in

562
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: our plants, so they do absorb carbon and produce oxygen.

563
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: Cetacean feces certainly fertilize these microscopic bio communities, but they're

564
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: hardly the only source of nutrients. However, Tabreezi is general

565
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: bent and phrasing seems to imply that A plus B

566
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: equals see, or that we are only able to live

567
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: and breathe because of marine mammals, which leaves the discerning

568
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: viewer wondering what other information in this film is complete?

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Speaker 1: Whale ship? Yeah, doesn't he drop a stat in there

570
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: that of the oxygen we breathe comes basically from from

571
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: whale dukey something like that? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, he

572
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: does not the trees or leaves or anything, just that. Yeah.

573
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: Uh So it turns out there's a lot of inform

574
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: information in here, and I'm gonna let Stephen break down

575
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: all the science he shipped here in a minute, but

576
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: first credit where credit is due. C Spiracy does point

577
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: out some real glaring issues with the health of our oceans,

578
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: including climate change, pollution, plastic refuse, and over fishing, and

579
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: then beyond over fishing, like it shows that there's real

580
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: slavery and murder and piracy and just rape and pillage

581
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: and awful ship on the high sea ease. And you know,

582
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of that stuff. I imagine you

583
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: guys did too. This has been receiving coverage forever, but

584
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: it's also pretty isolated to like Eastern Africa and Southeast Asia.

585
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: In places that you know, we as Americans don't have

586
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: a lot of impact on. And you know, if if

587
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: if people didn't know about that stuff previously then Saucy

588
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: spiracy and found out, then good, that's that's great, it's

589
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: it's it's helpful that people are learning these things. But

590
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: like you know, you should continue to educate yourself through real,

591
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: reputable publications, not whatever that film was. So you're not

592
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: saying that doesn't happen, because it does in other countries.

593
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: But he sort of framed it like this is the

594
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: commercial fishing industry as a whole exactly exactly. It paints

595
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: with a really broad brush and and I'll get into

596
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: that in a minute, but you know, ultimately on on

597
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: on the premise that Earth socians are not as healthy

598
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: as they could be and that real action is needed

599
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: to solve these crisis. Like Steve and I we tend

600
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: to agree with c spiracy, But the problem is, like

601
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: their their conclusion is that we need to become vegan

602
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: to solve all these problems, and on that we we

603
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: tend to differ. And that's the essential problem with C

604
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: spiracy and for me and for a lot of other people.

605
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: By the end, you realize the whole point that the

606
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: whole film was designed to drive viewers toward an understanding that,

607
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: because of the poor health of our oceans, is no

608
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: longer ethical to eat fish at all, or any other

609
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: animal products for that matter. And here here's another indicative

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00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: comment about sustainable fisheries that comes towards the end of

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00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: the film from Dr Richard open Lander, who is a

612
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: dentist and activist and a vegan food producer, so he

613
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have any dog in this fight. Quote. They make

614
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: it appear on paper as if eating, on one hand,

615
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: sustainably produced salmon is better than killing a blue fin

616
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: tuna and therefore creates a justification in the eyes of

617
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: the consumer. But that's like essentially saying that it's more

618
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: sustainable to shoot a polar bear than shooting a panda. Women. Reality,

619
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: neither one is sustainable and neither one is right to do.

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00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: End quote. Oh that's scene. I'm sorry, but that scene

621
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: because you're the cartoon of each of those bears and

622
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: like the red blood come down over it. Yeah, well,

623
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: the front stat and I think we haven't mentioned yet,

624
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: like what hits you very early on? Is there suggesting

625
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: what is it by if we if we keep going,

626
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: there will literally be nothing left living in the ocean

627
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: or or nothing that we can we can we can

628
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: catch and feed ourselves with. Yeah, they like they like

629
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: that that one a lot. And uh and Steven's got

630
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: some stuff coming up for you about how that is

631
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: complete whale ship if you will. But first, you know,

632
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I have to address the sustainable fisheries part. And and like,

633
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, this is completely anecdotal from my experience, but

634
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know it's an American American

635
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: fisheries are managed based on science at the very least.

636
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Speaker 1: You know, you can have your own definitions of stays

637
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: to sustainability, and Stephen will discuss that. But I just

638
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: want to tell everybody what I saw as a as

639
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: a commercial fisherman, as a young man working in Alaska.

640
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: I spent a good portion of my young adult life

641
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: working on on salmon um boats or shooting polar bears. Um.

642
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: If you follow follow off in landers analogy and millions

643
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: of them too. Um. But you know I wasn't pressed

644
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: into that service. I hustled my ass off to get

645
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: that job. There was nearly zero by catching our salmon

646
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: saying behind besides jellyfish um, which those populations are not

647
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: like doing badly in that area, and what few rockfish

648
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: and uh kelt greenlings and salmon sharks that did turn

649
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: up in our saying we're always turned back alive, although

650
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: that did get pretty rowdy with salmon sharks a few times. UM.

651
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: And you know, they talked so much about how the

652
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: biggest problem with commercial fishing is the abandoned nets, the

653
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: abandoned waste that comes from it, That of the plastic

654
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: and the Great Pacific garbage Patch is commercial fishing gear.

655
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know a single commercial fisherman in

656
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: all my years living in Alaska who had abandoned their

657
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollar net that they've spent years working on.

658
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's just no one would ever

659
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: even think about that. I'm not saying that trash doesn't

660
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: exist out there, but just for people who haven't seen it.

661
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: The other argument they're making, we hear about microplastics and

662
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: bottles and garbage, and basically they're trying to say none

663
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: of that is really a problem at all. The majority

664
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: of the plastic out there is discarded commercial fishing gear.

665
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, and what a step should we understand that

666
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: what a step back for like the enviro mental movement.

667
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: And that was one of the most comical things in

668
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: the film is how he went into all those uh,

669
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: those nonprofits in California who are trying to reduce you know,

670
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: single use plastics and stuff, and he's like, you're not

671
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: doing anything. All your work is useless and garbage, and

672
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: like what we're we're trying to help. I don't know.

673
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: It felt like he was really backstabbing some natural allies

674
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: he might have had. Well, what he was trying to

675
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: say was that the reason they won't come out against

676
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: nets is because they're all secretly backed by the commercial

677
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: fishing industry. And I don't I don't know if that's

678
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: true or not. You know, he didn't seem to offer

679
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of real proof there, but

680
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

681
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: But in terms of sustainable fisheries, you know, every salmon

682
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: we caught went straight from the net into a refrigerated

683
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: seawater hole, and then at the end of the day

684
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: we would deliver those fish out of our hold into

685
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: a tender vessel where they also went into refrigerated seawater

686
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: and those tenders would run all night to processing facilities

687
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: back into town own. And I mean, and this is

688
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: not like an unregulated frontier bonanza as commercial fishing is

689
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: portrayed in the film. Like, we listened to daily radio

690
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: broadcasts from the Alaska Department of Fishing Game regarding which

691
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: areas would be open the next day, and you know,

692
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: and that was completely based on fish delivery reports, reports

693
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: from the previous day and spotter plane observations. So a

694
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: d F and G was always aware of how many

695
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: fish are being caught, how many fish are coming into

696
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: Prince William Sound. And they also had a pretty good

697
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: idea like where those fish were going. So if there's

698
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: certain basins that were under escaping, they would close massive

699
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: areas around there so those creeks would get enough salmon

700
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: coming back. And man, like, I did a lot of

701
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: exploring when I was up there, and I saw a

702
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: lot of creeks that were so thick with salmon you

703
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: could literally like if you wanted to walk across the

704
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: creek on those on those fish, and then the bay

705
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: in front of the preek would be filled with tens

706
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: of thousands of more fish. And so just like the

707
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: biomass up there is just incredible. And then you know,

708
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the last summer I was up there, I was there

709
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: for the largest pink salmon run in history ever recorded

710
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: in Prince william Sound, higher than it had ever been

711
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: since they were measuring that kind of thing. And I mean,

712
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good sign of sustainability when you're actually

713
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: getting more fish year after year. I mean, there's a

714
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: lot of different factors at play here, and not all

715
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: sand and species are doing that well. But you know,

716
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: it's something that I could feel proud of, and I

717
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: think is indicative of how a lot of American and

718
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: Canadian fisheries are managed. Um that there's a lot of science,

719
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of restraint, and you can you can

720
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: expect a product that was harvested in a pretty conscientious manner,

721
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: but you can't reasonally expect the same fishing practices from

722
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the world, like and

723
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: and and the stuff that's not labeled, like you really

724
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: don't know, Like if you order a bucket of popcorn

725
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: shrimp Popeye's chicken, as I did and immediately regretted last weekend,

726
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: it's likely that meat came from unmanaged fishing or delatious acquaculture,

727
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: or maybe it didn't, but you can find out you

728
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: picked the wrong dipping sauce, because that's delicious anyway. It

729
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: was late at night, it was all they had left.

730
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: But you can find out in a lot of those

731
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: situations through websites for the Marine Stewardship Council and the

732
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Monterey Bay Aquarium UM, which also include labels on a

733
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: lot of fish products, but simpler still in restaurants and

734
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: at fish deli counters like I would really encourage people

735
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: to only purchase fish that was wild caught in America

736
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: or Canada because that's something I believe that you can

737
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: feel good about. But best of all, you can just

738
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: catch and eat the damn fish yourself like to do.

739
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: Of course, that's our overarching message here. Yeah, I do

740
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: think it is fair to note that if you look

741
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: at a lot of of c spiracy like he does

742
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: not spend a lot of time on American boats. I mean,

743
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: most of what they're showing you is practices in other countries.

744
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: There's similarities on the East Coast here with the bluefin season,

745
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: and bluefin play a large part in that. But these

746
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: guys literally don't know any given day whether they'll be

747
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: able to go tomorrow because it's so heavily monitored, and

748
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: the quota is so heavily monitored that can shut down

749
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: at at any any point in the season. I was

750
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of intrigued at Miles. I'm sure you were too,

751
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: by the amount of fact checking data sources that popped up.

752
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: And that's sort of a little a little trick to

753
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: make your your information sound more realistic and researched and

754
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: throughout the more valid. Right, So throughout the entire documentary,

755
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: every fact that he puts up, there's the very small,

756
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: hard to read source where that information came from. And

757
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: Steve and I believe you've you've taken a little dive

758
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: into you've broken down some of those, uh those sources

759
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: and and and can enlighten us on some of those, Yes,

760
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: I have, And I can't go into every single one

761
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 1: of the claims, but I just touching on a couple

762
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: of main ones where they build the rest of their

763
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: premise and argument off the information that it's wrong to

764
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: begin sum So the Sam stated, you know, there's obviously

765
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: issues with the world ocean, but we really need to

766
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: be aware of how those are presented and so not

767
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: going into anything that would be opinionated too much or anything.

768
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: But the big thing from this film is that they

769
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: present no solution rather than there's the one don't eat fish,

770
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: just stop eating fish. Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, as

771
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: Sam mentioned, you know, eating us wild caught. That goes

772
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: a long way, along with other things. But for me,

773
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: as a science minded person, you know, I always go

774
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: back to the data. You know, what did the data

775
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: tell us, rather than just accepting a blanket statement with

776
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: a very small sourced information in the corner that you

777
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: can't read. And so once you start digging into the data,

778
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of where bascets of the movie start to

779
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: fall apart, namely that no fishing is sustainable or that

780
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: there's no way to define sustainable fishing, and that all

781
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: fish stocks in the ocean could collapse by So a

782
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: large part of the film is based off these beliefs,

783
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and that builds the further lines of questions and investigation.

784
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: But the problem is, and this goes to something that

785
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: is referred to as Brandolini's law, or the difficulty in

786
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: refuting bullshit. So that law sta the amount of energy

787
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger

788
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: than is needed to produce it. Pans are not only wrong.

789
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: So here in lanes the problems the front center that

790
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: all fisheries would collapse. That is a myth that is

791
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: based on one small part of one much larger study

792
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, and that basically amounts to

793
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: more or less a lazy extrapolation of data. So in

794
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: that study, a small part of it there is um

795
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: the researchers were looking at some recent catch numbers from

796
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: a few declining fish population at that time, and then

797
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: they just extrapolate and draw the line out. Well, if

798
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: you have a declining line, eventually that line is going

799
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: to hit zero, right, And this caused a big ship

800
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: storm in the fisheries world back then and beyond, and

801
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 1: and really it was that big headline that was picked

802
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: up by the media and spread throughout the news outlet,

803
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: and so many other scientists refuted this claim and had

804
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: the data to back it up. And so a couple

805
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: of years later after this, the authors and other scientists

806
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: went back and forth. They came out with a new

807
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: study in two thousand nine, which included some of the

808
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: same scientists from the study that was produced in two

809
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: thousand six that made that original claim, and those scientists

810
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: they looked at a hundred sixty six fish populations at

811
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: the time and came to the conclusion that, you know,

812
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: the ocean fish stocks are not on a path photo collapse,

813
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: and they've actually been stable over the last twenty years.

814
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: But once the bullshit gets out there, it's hard to

815
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: get rid of us. So over the last fifteen years,

816
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: again and again, the same idea that fisheries are going

817
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: to collapse resurfaces, and it's a catchy headline and doom

818
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: and gloom kind of thing, but it's just not true. Um.

819
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: And so more recently a study out of the University

820
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: of Washington examine eight two fish stocks, so much more

821
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: than the previous study in two thousand nine that refuted

822
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: the claim, so even more data their backup that that

823
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: research of the fisheries that were considered even over fish

824
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine had improved, and overall sixty of

825
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: the world's fisheries are not over fish, and that accounts

826
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: for eight of all seafood. And so there are regional issues,

827
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: there's illegal harvest, human rights issues within the fishing industry,

828
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: but by and large, managed fisheries are sustainable, and so

829
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: there's a big difference between fishery that are managed in

830
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: the US and areas where they're not managed in the

831
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: high seas or developing countries. But it's been shown time

832
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: and time again by the world leading marine fisheries researchers

833
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: fisheries can in fact be sustainable. In the film, the

834
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: example that the European Commissioner for Maritime Affairs and Fisheries

835
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: uses is a great analogy basically that if you have

836
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: some capital in the bank and you're only spending the

837
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: interest gained off of that capital, you will be sustainable

838
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: into perpetuity. Same idea when it comes to fisheries. As

839
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: another argument against sustainable fisheries, filmmakers bring in the issue

840
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: of fisheries by catch and the stand mentioned you know,

841
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: it might not be a big of an issue, and

842
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: it's it certainly happens, and it's a varying degrees and

843
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: varying impacts depending on situation. But the idea that forty

844
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: percent of all catches thrown back as bycatch is incorrect,

845
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: and that comes down to semantics again, and one singular

846
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: study that makes the play so the United Nations Food

847
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: and Agriculture organization. The widely accepted terminology and definition of

848
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: bycatch is the total catch of non target animals by

849
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: catch HAP. But bycatch can either be used or turned

850
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: back with no further harm or discarded and you know

851
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: slow levels mortality. In two thousand nine, there was a

852
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: group of people working with some NGOs that decided that

853
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: they were going to redefine the word by catch, so

854
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: it's not just the total catch of non target animals.

855
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: Those authors in that study used that bycatch is catch

856
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: that is either unused or unmanaged, and so not to

857
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: get too far in the weeds, but essentially, if there's

858
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: a fishery that's unmanaged, all that fish would be considered

859
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: by catch for their coaltation. It got it. That's an

860
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: important piece of information when looking at those numbers, right,

861
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: and so just as an example of that, you know,

862
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: some of the information used to get to that, it's

863
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: information from a in a bottom trall fishery in India

864
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: where there were some instances of illegal nets, you m

865
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: in their regard to that. Therefore, all the catch from

866
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: the bottom trawl fishing was considered by catch. So it's

867
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: just consulates the numbers and discards bycatch it's an unfortunate

868
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: reality of the global food system. Whether fishing or farming,

869
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: there is some level of waste, but it's much more

870
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: like ten P than But the idea that you know

871
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: data from was irrelevant too, was relevant in two thousand nine,

872
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: and it's still relevant today. And that's a red flag

873
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: in and of itself, you know, And just as another

874
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: example of that, you know, when they state that two

875
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: d fifty thousand sea turtles are killed in the US annually,

876
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: that's data from two thousand. It may have been true

877
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: to some degree at that point, but it's important because

878
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: that spurred the development and advancement of fisheries. Oh, we

879
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: have a problem where managed fisheries. Let's fix this problem.

880
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: So those fisheries have developed things called turtle excluder devices

881
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: on their net. So more recently turtle deaths are down

882
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: to only annually, and turtle populations by and large are increased. So,

883
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a piece of paper that says

884
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: I have a PhD. But I don't need that to

885
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: tell you that four thousand is a little bit less

886
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: than two. Yeah, So I mean it looks I think

887
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: we have There are a lot of ways, thank thanks

888
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: to both of you guys that were able to refute

889
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: some of the the quote unquote factual claims here and

890
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's important to parse out and to

891
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: look at. But I gotta say, like, personally, from from

892
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: my perspective as a journalist, as a writer, uh my, my,

893
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: My maiden objection to this film is the sophomoric approach

894
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: that takes to to storytelling, right. Like, the analogy I

895
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: have for this is that it reminds me of a

896
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: ninety minute visual version of of that the intro to

897
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: college writing persuasive essay, you know that we all had

898
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: to write like so the filmmaker picked the topic that

899
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: he was like personally an emotionally invested in, and he

900
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: did some research and he came to a sweeping and

901
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: impassioned conclusion. And I'm familiar with this because I read

902
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot. I read a lot of these essays when

903
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: I taught writing one of one, and many of them

904
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: spoke in uh equal moral certainty about the legalizing of

905
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: marijuana and that being the answer to all of society's problems,

906
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: from social inequity to climate change. And kind of similar

907
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: to those essays, there are seeds of ideas in here

908
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: with which we all agree. I agree, you agree like

909
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: all those things that Sam brought up, that Stephen brought up, Uh,

910
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: that many of us have brought their major problems, and

911
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: and all of these are valid and need to be

912
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: addressed and looked at and given some attention. We all

913
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: agree with that. But to land on the conclusion that's

914
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: simply ceasing to eat all seafood is the answer to

915
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: all of these problems and we'll create some global panacea.

916
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: It straight. It strikes me as just as erroneous as

917
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: claiming that legal weed will make us the utopic states

918
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: of America. I just like, I see so many corallarias

919
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: there and it feels so similar to me. He he

920
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: came in with with fact toys that like are just

921
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: so bizarre. But it's like you say, the one oh

922
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: one style of essay writing, it's sort of like, well

923
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: it will help us. Just throw that in there too,

924
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: Just throw that in there. You just throw that in there. Like,

925
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: Like one of my favorites was that, uh, fish moving

926
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: throughout the water column constantly regulates the temperature of the ocean.

927
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: So if there are no fish moving throughout the water column,

928
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: now that is a big reason why the ocean is

929
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: warming and we're having more hurricanes and all this stuff. Yet,

930
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: like if if you know fish, and Stephen backed me up,

931
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: but if you look at most ocean fisheries, it's all

932
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: relatively inshore, like very like most most of the fish

933
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: live pretty close to the continental shelves or or close

934
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: to land. Like if you go out in the dead

935
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: center of the Atlantic Ocean, like there's not a whole

936
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: lot of stuff just swimming around out in the middle

937
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: of the ocean. So that one just caught me as

938
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: sort of like really, man, like, you're gonna tell people

939
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: that fish moving around in the ocean regulates the temperatre

940
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: or the ocean to the point where it will warm

941
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: too much. If they're not, it's just let's forget about

942
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: the golf stream and weather and the coreolis effect. Like

943
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, dude, you know the stripers swim

944
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: up and down, it gets warmer and cold, you know.

945
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: So I'm not even saying that there's not some like

946
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: minor like like itty bitty fact in there somewhere, But

947
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things he just threw out

948
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: as supportive of his claim, And it's like, what are

949
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: you talking about man. So I did a bunch of

950
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: reading on elsewhere on this and I'm gonna I want

951
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: to quote from this article that I found in Hakai magazine,

952
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: which I think does a really good job of summing

953
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: up my personal perspective on this film. It was written

954
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: by a guy named Josh Silberg, and and he wrote

955
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: quote in his search around the World for one Villain

956
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: behind all the oceans Ills. Too Breezy reduces a complex

957
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: tangle of social, political, and environmental factors into one simple

958
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: narrative as he cues ominous music and tells stories and generalities.

959
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: Too Breezy glosses over nuance. Though the film misleads viewers

960
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: with over simplified science, it's real harm is that it

961
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: ignores the history, culture, and systemic inequalities that are entwined

962
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: with ocean conservation. The film is right that there are

963
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: real problems in the ocean and have been for years,

964
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: but Too Breezy seems to constantly be alluding to the

965
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: fact that there's some cover up. That conspiracy mindset is

966
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: a common theme throughout and and personally I could not

967
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: agree with with sober more and in that way, I

968
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: think c spiracy is very much a product of our time, right,

969
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: It's it it resonates to me with so much of

970
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: our media. That's that's cloaked in this this political theater, right,

971
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: We're we're inundated with these stories about clear and obvious

972
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: heroes and villains and equally clear and obvious and simple

973
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: solutions to our problems if not for some deeply entrenched

974
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: and shady conspiratorial entity who's supposedly manipulating all of us

975
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: behind the scenes to ruin our lives and our planet.

976
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: But the problems are more called you than that. That's

977
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: just there is that that doesn't fit right, And so

978
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: Soberg concludes his criticism by saying, had to Breezy looked

979
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: into any of these issues in greater depth, he'd found

980
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: that journalists have been covering these sorts of stories for

981
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: years without glossing over the nuance. The point being, for

982
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: me personally, these these issues have been under scrutiny by

983
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: experts and scientists and researchers and writers for a really

984
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: long time. And what I want all of us to

985
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: ask ourselves is what makes more sense? Does it seem

986
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: more plausible that some twenty seven year old with a

987
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: camera and a love of whales and no actual training

988
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: cracked some long hidden vault of truths being suppressed by

989
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: all right of governments and industry and conservation organizations and

990
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: media outlets. They're all conspiring to kill the ocean for profit?

991
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: Or does it make more sense that these are actually

992
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: just really complicated problems and that many people are working

993
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: their assets out to figure out viable solutions with difficult

994
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: set of constraints. I personally am going to go with

995
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: the ladder as making a hell of a lot more sense.

996
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. Wow, there there's our c spiracy

997
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: deep dive. We hope that that answered a bunch of

998
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: questions for you guys, and can't thank Sam and Stephen

999
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: enough for jumping in on that so that we had

1000
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: more informed things to say than what Miles and I

1001
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: would have come up with alone. Email us you already

1002
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: have been let us know your thoughts. Were always happy

1003
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: to hear from you, guys bent at the meat Eator

1004
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: dot com. And actually, what are we moving into next? Miles?

1005
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: I think Stevens gonna help us out there too in

1006
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: a way. Stephen is going to help us there. We're

1007
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna do a finclips after this on the pike minnow

1008
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: and uh I put that one together. But if you

1009
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: want to hear more about it and see more of Steven,

1010
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: go over to the media dot com and check them out.

1011
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: And then after but we won't get there until after

1012
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: we hear from our illustrious engineer Phil about his favorite

1013
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: sharks and why. I'd say my favorite shark is probably

1014
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: the basking shark. Even though it's apparently pretty gentle and

1015
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: low moving, the image of a feeding basking shark is

1016
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 1: a love crafty and nightmare. Its mouth looks like a portal,

1017
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: and swimming through it could take you through the cosmic

1018
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,959
Speaker 1: layers of time and space and right to the great

1019
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: Beast Cthulhu himself. And you know that could be a

1020
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: fun weekend activity for the whole family. Some years back,

1021
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: I got to spend a few weeks floating through the

1022
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon. Once you get away from Lee's ferry, the

1023
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: Colorado River isn't much of a destination fishery. You float

1024
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: the Grand to experience one of America's most stunning wilderness

1025
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: areas and to challenge yourself on some of the biggest

1026
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: white water in North America. Plus you get to live,

1027
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: at least for a while as a complete river rat,

1028
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: once you push away from the bank and dive into

1029
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: the walls of the canyon, there's no going back. You

1030
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: have two hundred river miles to cover with nothing but

1031
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: the supplies packed in your boats. It's the kind of

1032
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: self sufficient adventure that's pretty much absent in the major

1033
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: already of our lives. A trip down the ground should

1034
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: be on everyone's bucket list, but like I said, it's

1035
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: not usually a fishing trip. In fact, I was the

1036
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: only angler among our crew. I knew the opportunities to

1037
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: cast a line would be few, and the chances of

1038
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: catching fish in many places pretty slim, but I packed

1039
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: a couple of travel rods in the bottom of my

1040
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: dry bag. Anyway, there are a handful of exceptional trout

1041
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: streams to feed the graund and I did pretty well.

1042
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: I can into a couple of them, but I can

1043
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: catch trout at home, the fish I really hope to encounter,

1044
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: though I knew the odds were vanishing. Lee Slim can

1045
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: grow over six ft long and weigh more than eighty pounds.

1046
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: It's the only native aquatic predator in its range, feeding

1047
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: primarily on other fish, but also rumored to take mice, birds,

1048
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: and even small rabbits despite its lack of teeth. I'm

1049
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: talking about the Colorado pike minnow, the largest minnow in

1050
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: North America. Side note I learned while researching this they

1051
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: are not the large mennow in the world as I

1052
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: had previously thought. That distinction belongs to the giant barbed

1053
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: cat Locarpio siamensis, which lives in Southeast Asia and can

1054
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: go over ten ft and almost a hundred and forty pounds.

1055
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll do a finclipse on that strangers

1056
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: looking beast, but not today. Colorado pike mindows are only

1057
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: found in the Colorado River drainage and were once abundant

1058
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: throughout that system, which includes rivers in Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada,

1059
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: and California. Settlers relied on pike midows as food fish,

1060
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: and some reports claim that creative or maybe just lazy,

1061
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: Frontier anglers used horses to drag the massive fish from

1062
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: the water. At the time, they were known as white

1063
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: salmon because of their migratory spawning journeys. Though pike midows

1064
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: don't go to sea, they would travel up to two

1065
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: hundred miles to find optimal habitat in the spring. As

1066
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: the primary artery for the American Southwest, the Colorado River

1067
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: has been so damned in dewatered that it hardly resembles

1068
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: the muscular river it once was. Pike mindows can no

1069
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: longer make those impressive runs to optimal reproductive habitat. Their

1070
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: home waters are now colder and more controlled, and they

1071
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: have new non native competitors. Colorado pike midows have been

1072
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: endangered since nineteen sixty seven, which is why my chances

1073
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: of actually catching one were miniscule and I didn't. There

1074
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: are four distinct species of pike meadows in North America, Colorado, Umpqua, Sacramento,

1075
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: and Northern. Good News, the Colorado pike mendow is the

1076
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: only one that seems incapable of effectively adapting to life

1077
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: in a damned river system. Bad news. The Northern pike

1078
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: meddow has proven itself so good at thriving in the

1079
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: reservoirs and slow moving pools of the Columbia and Snake

1080
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Rivers that they are harming salmon and steelhead populations. Northern

1081
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: pike midows consume millions of juvenile salmon and steelhead each year.

1082
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: Putting added stress on iconic fish that are already struggling.

1083
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 1: More bad news. Northern pike midows only get about ten

1084
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: percent as large as their Colorado counterparts, maxing out around

1085
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: seven pounds, so they're not nearly as a tract of

1086
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: a sport fish, but anglers who choose to target them

1087
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: can find value beyond their size. Since the Bonneville Power

1088
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: Administration and Pacific States Fisheries Commission have teamed up with

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: Oregon and Washington's Departments of Fisheries to administer the Northern

1090
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: Pike Minow Sport Reward Program. The program runs from May

1091
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: one to September and pays anglers five to eight bucks

1092
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: for every Northern pike midow they turn in over nine inches,

1093
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: depending on the size. Some enterprising anglers are making real

1094
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: money fishing for northern pike mindows. The top twenty who

1095
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: participated in the program last year averaged over twenty grand,

1096
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: and one brought in nearly fifty thou dollars and five

1097
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: months of fishing for the record, that's far more than

1098
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: I ever made as a fishing guide in five months.

1099
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: Best of all, it seems to be proving effective since

1100
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: the sport Reward programs started putting bounties on northern pike

1101
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: midows thirty years ago. More than five million fish have

1102
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: been culled from the system, and some reports indicate that

1103
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: the northern pike menoputation on Salmanas has decreased. In a

1104
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: somewhat ironic twist, the Arizona Fish and Game Department is

1105
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: now offering bounties on Salmond's to help protect pike minnows

1106
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: in the Colorado River. As Joe covered in Fish News

1107
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: a few months back, anglers fishing around Lee's Ferry, the

1108
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: same area where Grand Canyon raft trips begin get twenty

1109
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: five dollars for every brown trout over six inches they

1110
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: bring to an area check station. Brown trout are not

1111
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: native to the Colorado or anywhere on this continent for

1112
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: that matter, and aggressive browns can prey upon juvenile pike

1113
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: mindows and other endangered native fish in the Colorado System,

1114
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: like the humpbacked chubb. So while pike midows are harming

1115
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: native salmanas in one fishery, Salmanas or harming native pike

1116
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: mindows and another fishery, but in both cases, sport fishing

1117
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: is being leveraged as a tool to help the underdogs. Well,

1118
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm not per really convinced the killing brown trout around

1119
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: Lee's Ferry will save Colorado pike mendows. That's just one

1120
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: of the tools that the Upper Colorado Endangered Fish Recovery

1121
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: Program is using to hopefully help boost pike minnow recruitment numbers.

1122
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: They're also requesting the Flaming Gorge damn increased springtime releases

1123
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: to better mimic the historic seasonal flow cycle and help

1124
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: Colorado pike mindows successfully spawn more often. I can only

1125
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: hope that program works and that if my kid floats

1126
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: down the Grand Canyon when he's grown, he'll get to

1127
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: double over a route on a musky sized minnow. Man,

1128
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: it's a shame. Pike minnows are critically endangered because they

1129
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: sound like they pull and eat pretty much anything. I

1130
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: want to catch one so so bad. Sam Longeran and

1131
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: I have this conversation like once a month. They have.

1132
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Those fish have all the attributes that that anglers love,

1133
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: Like if you just were to if you were to

1134
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: strip out the minnow part and just talk about the

1135
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: in general terms, like they get big, they're they're the

1136
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: top of the food chain. They push around all the

1137
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: other fish in the river. They will attack and kill

1138
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: like anything, and I've never caught one, right, But but

1139
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: I feel like any generic presentation that you could get

1140
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: in front of one, so long as it vaguely looks

1141
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: edible and scared, would get munched. Actually, on that note,

1142
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: Joe's about the schools on an overlooked generic fish catcher

1143
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: that everyone should probably have on hand, but doesn't even better.

1144
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: If you're looking to catch some of the finest catfish

1145
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: and both in bait you could possibly find on the

1146
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Eastern Seaboard, these lures will catch that too. Well, that's

1147
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: not loud enough. In past end of the line segments,

1148
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: I've said that it's often difficult to trace the lure's

1149
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: origin back any further than when it became mass produced.

1150
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: But in the case of the shad dart, I can't

1151
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: even figure out when mass production really started, because in essence,

1152
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: it still isn't like a big seller. I mean, sure,

1153
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: you can find shad darts made by companies like Marathon

1154
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: and a few others on the shelves of big box stores,

1155
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: and they'll be two or three darts in one bubble pack,

1156
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: and you're most likely to find the color selection limited

1157
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: they'll have red and white, maybe red and yellow, and

1158
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: perhaps shark shrews and dark green, because those are the classics.

1159
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: But for the vast majority of anglers that really rely

1160
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: on shad darts, they're not usually picking them up from

1161
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: the big box store. More likely, they picked them up

1162
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: from a local shop that works with a local dart

1163
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: maker who knows exactly which colors the local anglers and

1164
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: fish are hungry for. The only things really known about

1165
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: the shad darts origins is they first appeared in the

1166
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: Northeast well over fifty years ago, and since they hit

1167
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: the scene, they've predominantly been distributed by garage and basement

1168
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: dart makers. So what is a shad dart. Well, it's

1169
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: one of the cheapest, simplest, most effective lures you can own.

1170
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: Yet most anglers that live outside of regions like the

1171
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: Northeast and mid Atlantic that have thriving cultures revolve around

1172
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: the annual spring runs of hickory and American shad don't

1173
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: own any A shad dart is just a compact lead jig.

1174
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: They can weigh as little as one six an ounce

1175
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: and as much as a full ounce. Their cone shaped

1176
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: and the wider front end is sort of sliced off

1177
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: at an angle to create a sloping face. The hooks

1178
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: are molded right into the body and the line tie

1179
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: I protrudes from the darts back, so the lore always

1180
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: falls and swims horizontally. Darts often have a tiny pinch

1181
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 1: of bucktail tied on the hook, but there could also

1182
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: be a little bit of synthetic flash material back there,

1183
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: or no tail at all naked As we say, it's

1184
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: the goofiest little lore, but it's actually a genius design.

1185
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: That wide angled face is designed to create water resistance.

1186
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: When real across the current, water bounces into flex off

1187
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: that face and gives the dart a unique shimmy. These days,

1188
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: flutterspoons have gotten very popular for shad, but as a kid,

1189
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: all my old man had on them for our annual

1190
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: trip to the Delaware Water Gap. For shad was a

1191
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: box of arts, and all you did was cast at

1192
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: a slight angle up current and steadily real the dart back.

1193
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: No jigging or finessing or twitching, just real, and if

1194
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: it got in front of the shad, the rod would

1195
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: just load up. When your line was right around eleven o'clock.

1196
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: For most of my life, I didn't think anyone used

1197
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: shad darts for anything but chad, But that wasn't the case.

1198
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, research shows that in other parts of

1199
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: the country they're more commonly referred to as croppy darts

1200
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: or quill bees. And if you think about it, the

1201
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: same action that attracts shad is beneficial in a plethora

1202
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: of other fisheries, especially considering a dart can also replace

1203
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: a jig head. I've tipped them with a piece of

1204
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: blood worm to whack white perch. I've added a curly

1205
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: tail grub and used them to pick off some cropp eas.

1206
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: I even have a buddy that leans on simple shad

1207
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: darts for shallow water light line flounder fishing by tipping

1208
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,439
Speaker 1: them with a strip of squid or a live mud minnow.

1209
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: Much like a metal spoon. A dart is equally effective

1210
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: jigged vertically or when you swim it, which means the

1211
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: ears of any hard water anglers listening right now should

1212
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: be perking up. So how many of you will heed

1213
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: my advice and mess with shad darts, I don't know,

1214
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: but I know a whole bunch of you discovered the

1215
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: power of the trout magnet. One of my all time

1216
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: favorite lures for stock trout because of its inclusion and

1217
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: end of the line. I was peppered with photos and

1218
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: notes of thanks after that segment. But just in case

1219
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: you haven't put all the pieces together yet, your stringers

1220
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: filled faster this season, not because of the little soft

1221
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: plastic trout magnet meal worm you were dangling, but because

1222
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: of its shad dart head. Leland Lure company who makes

1223
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: the trout magnet actually have the ancient shad dart to

1224
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 1: thank for much of their success. They shrunk the dart

1225
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: down to micro size, harnessing the power of that angled

1226
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: head to make their lures dance, flit and wiggle as

1227
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: they ride the current. So if the dart plastic combo

1228
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: is so potent in microform, imagine what you might achieve letting,

1229
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, a soft plastic crayfish or helgra might

1230
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: pinned on a bigger dart, slip down a juicy smallmouth,

1231
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: run under a little bit bigger float. So that's it

1232
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: for this week. If you're gonna be spending some time

1233
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: sitting on a bucket waiting for a little tap tap

1234
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: tap peroo, we've given you plenty to contemplate like drain

1235
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: plugs and the human response to forgetting about them. A

1236
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: dart you could probably stick in a pikemanow if they

1237
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: weren't nearly extinct, and the perfect accessory for the bait

1238
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: dunker that considers himself a leg man. If you've got comments,

1239
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: concern sale nightem's awkward photos or bar nominations, go ahead

1240
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: and collect a bunch of y shape sticks, set them

1241
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: on fire and send us smoke signals, or just email

1242
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff to Bent at the mediator dot com.

1243
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: Don't forget if you want to Bent sticker pack from us,

1244
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: the quickest way for us to detect a nibble from

1245
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: you is to tag your ship to generate Angler or

1246
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: Bent podcast on the ground. Hell, you may even be

1247
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: able to score one of those Billy wants a shotgun

1248
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: stickers very soon they smite be in the works. They

1249
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: very well could be, but until they're a real thing,

1250
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: Billy just wants you to keep dreaming about that flat

1251
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: dead that could swallow a toddler you're certain lives at

1252
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: the base of the local dam.