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Speaker 1: Welcome to Out of Office, the podcast about life and leadership.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Malika Kapoor. Every week I bring you

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Speaker 1: a conversation with the newsmaker speaking at a Bloomberg Live summit.

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Speaker 1: This chat, which we record offstage, is freewheeling and it's informal.

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Speaker 1: We got beyond the headlines and talk about things and

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Speaker 1: newsmakers don't get asked about on stage or even in

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Speaker 1: their offices. Their childhood aspirations, mentors, first jobs, their education,

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Speaker 1: their high points, setbacks, downtime, what they want for Christmas,

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Speaker 1: family and love. Because these influences make them who they

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Speaker 1: are and define how they lead. This week, what is

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Speaker 1: great actually is when people on the street just come

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Speaker 1: up and say thank you so much. And I get

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Speaker 1: loads of that. Please keep going, keep backling for the country.

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Speaker 1: Lots of hoots and toots from the taxi community, the

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Speaker 1: black cabs, great group of Brexiteers. You know quite a

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Speaker 1: few of them. Give me free cab raids. Yeah you know,

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Speaker 1: you know your friends are Meet Richard Tis, member of

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Speaker 1: European Parliament and one of the most divisive figures in

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Speaker 1: British politics. He started his career as a businessman, a

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Speaker 1: property developer, but he's always had one foot in politics.

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Speaker 1: From twenty fifteen he became increasingly involved in Brexit and

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Speaker 1: is a founder of the pro Brexit groups Leave Means

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Speaker 1: Leave and Leave dot Eu. In ten he became chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Brexit Party, which was founded by politician Nigel

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Speaker 1: Ferrad just a year ago. It's a young party, but

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Speaker 1: it's making headlines. It was one of the most remarkable

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Speaker 1: elections this country has ever seen, with both Labor and

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Speaker 1: the Tories having historically abysmal results. In last Thursday's European election,

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Speaker 1: Nigel Forrage's new Brexit Party topped the poll of nearly

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Speaker 1: thirty Richard spoke about all things Brexit at the Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: invest summit in London. There's nothing worse than a job

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Speaker 1: half done, badly done. So we're gonna leave. We want

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Speaker 1: a clean break Brexit that maximizes our negotiating position, minimizes

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty. Everyone knows where they stand and we can

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Speaker 1: get on with their lives and get on with adjusting

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Speaker 1: to a post Brexit world. That's Richard tis the politician.

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Speaker 1: My colleague gets Staply caught up with him when he

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Speaker 1: came off stage. They chatted about football, he's a Liverpool fan,

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Speaker 1: his passion for property, his school years, and what Richard

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Speaker 1: Tys wants for Christmas. Your's ed with the so called

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Speaker 1: bad boy of Brexit. So Richard Tye, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Live podcast. Thanks for joining us, great pleasure, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Bloomberg's headquarters. Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: a real estate guy and I've never seen a building

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Speaker 1: the first time here. I've been to the previous headquarters

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Speaker 1: a number of times, hopefully when been my last time.

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Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed it. You know, the canteens extraordinary, the

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Speaker 1: architectures extraordinary. Um and I go, that's one of all

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Speaker 1: sorts of awards indeed, And I guess Mike Bloomberg had

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Speaker 1: a decision to make when choosing where to build, as

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Speaker 1: on Britain's membership of the EU in January. Do you

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Speaker 1: think a company looking to set up a headquarters in

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Speaker 1: Europe today we're still a hundred percent go for London. Oh, definitely.

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Speaker 1: You mean a financial services business for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's be very clear. The threat to London and you

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Speaker 1: know we will have to live with competition in all

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Speaker 1: Your family have been involved in property. I think for

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Speaker 1: generation that's right, And so what what made you want

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Speaker 1: I think, Look, I grew up steeped in a family

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Speaker 1: you manage to navigate the two thousand and eight financial

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Speaker 1: just gut instinct, pure gut instinct. Having been involved since,

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Speaker 1: Upping Him. We're another vice chair. What were your your

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Speaker 1: But you know, I've always been more of a believe

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Speaker 1: That was Ed Stapley in conversation with Brexit Party chairman

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