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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. We have so much to

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Speaker 1: get into this week. Of course, don't forget that all

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Speaker 1: of the stories and the news that we don't cover

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Speaker 1: on Mother Knows Death, we link in the Gross Room

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Speaker 1: and we talk about additional stories on our YouTube live

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Speaker 1: episode every week that's exclusive for Gross Room members. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, we're going to talk about Fred Goldman receiving

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Speaker 1: payment from OJ Simpson's estate almost thirty years after his

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Speaker 1: son was killed. A lot of people online are comparing

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Speaker 1: that to a more recent case that we have talked

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Speaker 1: about a lot on this show, So we'll get into

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Speaker 1: a discussion about that. A terrible case of medical malpractice

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Speaker 1: who crashed doing something unusual or maybe it's usual in

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Speaker 1: into something we've already talked about on this show, which

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Speaker 1: involves a deadly allergic reaction to meet We'll wrap things

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Speaker 1: up with a case of a man who was living

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Speaker 1: from her car. Then your comments and questions. All that

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Speaker 1: and more On today's episode, let's talk about oj Simpson.

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Speaker 2: Well, first, I'll say sorry if our voices are in

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Speaker 2: and out. It is Postnaeseled Drip season in the can

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Speaker 2: and Jemmy Household.

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Speaker 1: It has been brutal.

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Speaker 2: Also, thank you to everybody who entered the giveaway the

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Speaker 2: last two weeks. We have emailed all of the winners.

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Speaker 2: And congratulations to Katie, who is going to be going

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Speaker 2: to dinner with us. So I've already talked to her

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna have last year's whinter Emma come with

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Speaker 2: So, Emma, we're waiting for you.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Katie, you're saying congratulations. She might be like,

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Speaker 1: I never want to eat with these people again. No,

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Speaker 1: but we're super You might learn the hard way what

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully this time we don't have the world's worst

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Speaker 2: waiter that comes over literally one hundred times.

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Speaker 1: That was insane. Yeah, I can't stand that shit, man,

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Speaker 1: we should. I don't have enough goots to just go

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Speaker 2: Well, especially because we were there with Emma, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: But eventually it was so much that we all kind

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous, right, yeah, all right, let's get into OJ though. So,

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Speaker 2: thirty years after the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know what's crazy. A lot of

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Speaker 1: top of that, though, I feel like I've known Fred

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Speaker 1: So of course everyone is now online saying comparing this

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Speaker 2: Well, I will encourage everybody to go back a couple

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Speaker 2: So now his family is going after her in a

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Speaker 1: So John O'Keefe's family is doing a civil suit against

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Speaker 2: You know what else I feel like I saw in

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Speaker 1: Well, I just wonder what I mean, if he was

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Speaker 1: there was because of OJ Simpson, and therefore it doesn't

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Speaker 2: Had to be convicted for in the civil trial, for

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Speaker 2: Reid that she knowingly let an intoxicated person out of

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Speaker 2: with them, it's like, that's not what happened. I think

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Speaker 2: Ron Goldman was going to drop off the Cole Brown

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so, I mean, I don't know the whole

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Speaker 1: the time out of state, and it's like you're just

436
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Speaker 1: driving along, people are delivering things, truck drivers, locals, and

437
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Speaker 1: you have to deal with like some loser like this

438
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Speaker 1: that's driving around drinking drunk.

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Speaker 2: Like this, like he said, he said he only had

440
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Speaker 2: one beer. He's out of control, Like really, yeah, seriously,

441
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Speaker 2: because one of his four DUI convictions was earlier this year,

442
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Speaker 2: and then he had one in nineteen ninety four, nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety five, in two thousand and seven. So if he

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Speaker 2: has four convictions, he should be in prison for a

445
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Speaker 2: very long time, first of all, and they suspended his license,

446
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Speaker 2: it's not just taken away completely. That's ridiculous. And if

447
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Speaker 2: he has four convictions, that probably means he has drunk

448
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Speaker 2: drove hundreds of times. Don't they say that you drunk

449
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Speaker 2: drive like eighty times before you're caught once.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if the statistics are I mean, like listen to

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Speaker 1: these statistics too. So according to Mothers Against Drunk Driving,

452
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Speaker 1: drunk driving deaths, we're not talking about the hundreds of

453
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Speaker 1: thousands of people who are injured in car accidents. Just

454
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Speaker 1: deaths represent thirty percent of traffic fatalities. So that's that's

455
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Speaker 1: really significant. I mean, think about the number of people

456
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Speaker 1: that wouldn't die a year as if it was not

457
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Speaker 1: a result of drinking and driving. Right, it's not taken

458
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Speaker 1: anywhere near as seriously as it should be because, as

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Speaker 1: you said, if he was pulled over and caught four times,

460
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Speaker 1: that means that this guy drinks and drives like every

461
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Speaker 1: day of his life essentially probably, And it's just like,

462
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Speaker 1: like I was thinking about that, and I know that

463
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Speaker 1: especially mothers against drunk driving they have they're like fighting

464
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Speaker 1: every day for it to get you know, certain devices

465
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Speaker 1: put in cars that the cars can't start. But the

466
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Speaker 1: thing is is that this guy doesn't have a driver's license,

467
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Speaker 1: but he's still it doesn't matter, he still could drive

468
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Speaker 1: because that little piece of paper in your wallet or

469
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Speaker 1: that little card in your wallet isn't isn't going to

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Speaker 1: stop you from driving or not. And even if he

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Speaker 1: had one of those devices on his car, he could

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Speaker 1: have used his girlfriend's car or whatever. Yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of impossible to stop, except, like you

474
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Speaker 1: were saying, to actually put people in jail for it,

475
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Speaker 1: and maybe, but I mean, like, I don't know that

476
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Speaker 1: that really works though, because it's the same thing with

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Speaker 1: like you, if you want to consider alcoholism an addiction,

478
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Speaker 1: people who are on drugs, you if you take them

479
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Speaker 1: and put them in jail and give them the harshest penalties,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't stop them from doing drugs.

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Speaker 2: Like so what, he just gets to keep doing it

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Speaker 2: until someone's murdered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the way it is right now.

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Speaker 1: You just have to like leave and hope that you're

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Speaker 1: not next. Well that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So they said his breath concentration was more than three

487
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Speaker 2: times a legal limit, despite him saying he.

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Speaker 1: Only had one beer while driving, but especially especially an alcoholic,

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Speaker 1: that's outrageous the amount of alcohol that he had that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But yeah, he I mean, whatever,

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Speaker 1: what are you going to say? It's just it's just

492
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Speaker 1: like it we could talk about this every day, like

493
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Speaker 1: someone sure, someone is killed every single day, multiple times

494
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Speaker 1: a day from a drunk driver. And the worst part

495
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Speaker 1: is is it's not usually the drunk driver. It's just

496
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Speaker 1: some innocent person strolling along that is the victim of it.

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Speaker 1: And it's just I mean, I really don't know what

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Speaker 1: the solution is. This episode is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: But also we get into that case about different reasons

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Speaker 1: All right, So talking about Amy Lochrin, she had sent

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Speaker 1: us a comment on this next story that we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about. So let's talk about the story and

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Speaker 1: then we'll tell you guys Amy's comment on this.

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Speaker 2: So we've talked about this syndrome before, called you you

524
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Speaker 2: were extra flair with it. You were like alpha girl.

525
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Speaker 2: But because that's how the kids would say it. But

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Speaker 2: is it alpha girl or alpha gal gal? Okay, because

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Speaker 2: I was really confused for a second. So basically, a

528
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Speaker 2: forty seven year old man is the first known person

529
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Speaker 2: to have died from alpha gal syndrome. So, just to

530
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Speaker 2: give a clearer picture of the story, last September, this

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Speaker 2: guy was at a barbecue. He ate a hamburger and

532
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Speaker 2: started feeling sick a couple hours later, but his family

533
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Speaker 2: said he was okay enough later in the day to

534
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Speaker 2: mow the lawn and read a newspaper. But after seven

535
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Speaker 2: thirty pm that night, his son found him unconscious with

536
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Speaker 2: vomit all over the place, and he ended up being

537
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Speaker 2: pronounced dead. So for a while his death appeared to

538
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Speaker 2: be this mystery, but then they also learned from the

539
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Speaker 2: family that two weeks before this, he had a similar

540
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Speaker 2: allergic reaction while eating a steak. Well, I guess at

541
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Speaker 2: the time they didn't know was an allergic reaction, but

542
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Speaker 2: he got really sick after eating a steak while camping

543
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Speaker 2: with his family. So after that, this guy's daughter was

544
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Speaker 2: in a ballet class and his wife began talking to

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Speaker 2: another mom there who happened to be a pediatrician, and

546
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Speaker 2: she thought this was we that the husband had two

547
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Speaker 2: reactions to stake like this put them up there, put

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Speaker 2: the wife of the guy that died in touch with

549
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Speaker 2: an allergist, and they connected it to this alpha gal syndrome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually it's really interesting. It's nothing that I

551
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Speaker 1: heard about up until recently, within the past couple of years,

552
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Speaker 1: and now it's it's all over the place and coming out,

553
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Speaker 1: and I am curious as to why, all of a

554
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Speaker 1: sudden this is a thing and it wasn't a thing

555
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Speaker 1: even a couple of years ago. So first let's talk

556
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Speaker 1: about it. There's in most mammals, they have a sugar

557
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Speaker 1: in their blood that's called alpha gal. And what happens

558
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Speaker 1: is a tick could feed off of one of these

559
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Speaker 1: animals and then bite a human. And when the tick

560
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Speaker 1: bites a human, the saliva goes into the human and

561
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Speaker 1: it contains these alpha gal molecules, right, and these this

562
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Speaker 1: can cause your body. Whenever your body's exposed to some

563
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Speaker 1: thing like that. This is kind of like the theory

564
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Speaker 1: of a vaccine. Your body builds up antibodies to it

565
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Speaker 1: because it recognizes it as far, and so then it

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Speaker 1: means the next time that it sees that it's going

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Speaker 1: to try to it's going to react to it. Right,

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Speaker 1: So you get this tick bite and you get alpha

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Speaker 1: gel in your body, and your body has a reaction

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Speaker 1: to it and you don't even know it. Then all

571
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, if you have an allergy to it,

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Speaker 1: you eat red meat, and then your body really freaks

573
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Speaker 1: out because you have this allergy to it because it

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Speaker 1: already recognizes it because it's seen it before from the

575
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Speaker 1: tick bite. So all of the cases that we've reported

576
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Speaker 1: on mother nos death so far have just been a

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Speaker 1: person having difficulty breathing hives. There's all different kinds of

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Speaker 1: presentations diarrhea, but we've never reported an actual death from it,

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Speaker 1: and this appears to be the first reported death of it.

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Speaker 1: So it makes you think, Okay, have people died from

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Speaker 1: this before and had these mysterious desks that we didn't

582
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Speaker 1: know what it was, and now all of a sudden,

583
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, people have been dying from

584
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Speaker 1: years from this or what else is taken into consideration.

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Speaker 1: So one of the theories is that these white tailed

586
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Speaker 1: deers are one of the hosts of the tick here.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, any person that lives, especially where we live,

588
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Speaker 1: anybody will tell you that there's been a way big

589
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Speaker 1: increase of deer from when I was a kid anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean you just see them all over the place

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Speaker 1: in people's backyards and stuff now and it's just lone

592
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Speaker 1: star ticks, right, It's not all ticks, ya, So it's

593
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Speaker 1: lone star ticks. So I mean, that could possibly be

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Speaker 1: the thing. I guess. The wife had said that he

595
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Speaker 1: did not have a tick bite that she knew of,

596
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Speaker 1: but they were on vacation at some point, and what

597
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Speaker 1: he thought he was getting all of these little weird

598
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Speaker 1: ankle bites that were from chiggers. That's what thought it was.

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Speaker 1: And the researchers are thinking that maybe it was the

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Speaker 1: larva of these dear, these lone star ticks that were

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Speaker 1: actually biting on him. So, I mean, and a lot

602
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: of people just don't know if they get a tick bite,

603
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Speaker 1: so it is scary. One of the things that's really

604
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Speaker 1: interesting about this alpha gl is that the CDC did

605
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Speaker 1: a study or a survey in twenty twenty three, and

606
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Speaker 1: forty two percent of doctors said they never heard of it,

607
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Speaker 1: and only thirty five percent of doctors said that they

608
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Speaker 1: would even know to recognize it or test for it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I talked about

610
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Speaker 1: this before when we talked about this story, but about

611
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Speaker 1: within the past year, I went out to dinner with

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Speaker 1: neighbors of ours and I ate. I was sitting at

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Speaker 1: the table, and it was the weirdest thing. I was

614
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Speaker 1: feeling perfectly fine that they sat at the table, I

615
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: ate steak, and I ended up throwing up by the time,

616
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Speaker 1: like in the bathroom. By the time we left the restaurant,

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Speaker 1: it was like the weirdest thing ever. I went home,

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Speaker 1: I was fine, I've eaten meat since then, fine, But

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Speaker 1: I so happened to have a doctor's appointment like a

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Speaker 1: week later, and he's like, how you feeling? And I

621
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, I feel good, But do you want

622
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Speaker 1: to hear something really weird that happened to me because

623
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Speaker 1: it was it was just too fast to have any

624
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Speaker 1: kind of food poisoning or it just was it was

625
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Speaker 1: just so fast and all I had was steaked. There

626
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Speaker 1: was nothing else. So he said, huh, I wonder if

627
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Speaker 1: you have this this alpha gel thing. And I was like,

628
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Speaker 1: what is that. I never even heard of it. So

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Speaker 1: my doctor knew about it, and he's like, yeah, it's

630
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Speaker 1: this this it's really going around right now that there's

631
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Speaker 1: there might be this allergy to red meat and all

632
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Speaker 1: this stuff. So anyway, I guess now they're saying, if

633
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Speaker 1: you ever eat red meat and ever have any kind

634
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Speaker 1: of reaction like hibes or difficulty breathing or anything, just

635
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Speaker 1: number one, pay attention to it because it's real. And

636
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Speaker 1: number two, you can go to your doctor and you

637
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: could get antibody testing to see if you've been exposed

638
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Speaker 1: to this alpha gal. So when they're doing a regular autopsy,

639
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Speaker 1: like after this guy died, they they wouldn't easily be

640
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Speaker 1: able to detect that he had a reaction like that,

641
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: it's a specialize. They saw that he had increased his

642
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: blood work did show that he was having some kind

643
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Speaker 1: of an allergic reaction. They just didn't know what it

644
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Speaker 1: was to, and they wouldn't they wouldn't routinely just order

645
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: for the alpha gal unless it was requested, because I mean,

646
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Speaker 1: think about the weird stuff people are allergic to, not

647
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Speaker 1: vague strawberry like, you can't test for everything under the sun.

648
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Speaker 1: So they didn't know specifically what it was. It just

649
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Speaker 1: so happens that this pediatrician was her daughter was in

650
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: the class with his daughter, and the wife got talking

651
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: to her, and that's how it just was like a

652
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: blessing in disguise kind of a thing, but which thank

653
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: god that kind of happened, because number one, it's it's

654
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: it's you know, public service announcement. But number two, the

655
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: family can get some answers because they might not have

656
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: ever gotten answers unfortunately in a case like this, And

657
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: imagine just having your spouse kind of die that was

658
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: perfectly healthy and not really understanding what happened, because that

659
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: would make me scared that my kids might have something too,

660
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, and and listen, like if they were all

661
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: vacationing together and he got bit by these ticks. There's

662
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: certainly a possibility that the children and and she did

663
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: as well. That's so and all it is. It's a

664
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: blood test that you could find out. It's just it's

665
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: just like really interesting when something like this happens, because

666
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: obviously humans have been eating meat forever, So like what

667
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: why now? Right? Like what is it now? I don't know,

668
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: It's just it's just like really really interesting, all right.

669
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: So this is what Amy said. My daughter Alex has

670
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: this and after she was bitten multiple times by a

671
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: loan star tick and had an anaphylactic reaction to a steak,

672
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: now she can't even go near dairy or mammal meat.

673
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: She's super sensitive to it. Even has to separate her

674
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: pans in the house now or she gets hives when

675
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: she uses one after cooking steak or burgers for her family. Interestingly,

676
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: my other daughter Maya has lime disease and could barely

677
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: get out of bed for a year when she was

678
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: a teenager. It's not very well known that this lone

679
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: star tick can kill you.

680
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, And I mean, Amy, I hope your

681
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: daughter has an appy pen that she carries with her

682
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: because that is what you have to use if you

683
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: have a reaction. That's that bad.

684
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: Well I asked her if there's any treatment or cure,

685
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: and she said no. So that's even scarier to think

686
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: about people having to deal with this. And I mean,

687
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: how could you totally avoid red meat or anything like

688
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: people even just use beef broth in regular colors.

689
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: Well you can, I meet big and people do it

690
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, yeah, I guess you would just

691
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: have to use you are vegetarian, yeah, I mean without

692
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: dairy though, like because you can get it, they said,

693
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 1: especially like high fat dairy like milkshakes and ice cream.

694
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: You can set it off too, So you just have

695
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: to live like a pretty strict You don't have to

696
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: necessarily be vegetarian even because this protein is not it's

697
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: in mammals, but it's not in chickens and turkey and fish,

698
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: So you could eat meat if you if you want to.

699
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: You're not going to get sick from eating that kind

700
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: of meat. It's just more like animal products. And I

701
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: mean it could even be in gelatine, so marshmallow, like

702
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: it's just what I'm saying. Yeah, you just like so hard.

703
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: You just have to be like the same thing that

704
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: people do with an allergy or something. You just have

705
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: to be careful what you eat. Same with ciliac or anything.

706
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: You just have to be careful, and you just can't

707
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: easily go out to dinner like you once could. But

708
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: I think the biggest key is really pin pointing and

709
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: getting the blood work done to say that, ye, you

710
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: do have antibodies to this, and yes you're having a reaction.

711
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: God's so terrible, all right.

712
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: This forty one year old man with severe mental disabilities

713
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: was living in a group home and for some of

714
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: his issues, he took medication that caused severe constipation. So

715
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: I guess he had been complaining about the constipation and

716
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: an abdominal pain to the staff there. Nobody took him

717
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: seriously and then he ended up dying.

718
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: And what did they find? Okay, So they did an

719
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: autopsy and they diagnosed him with something called attention pneumo peritoneum,

720
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: which is just an excessive amount of gas build up.

721
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: Not what you would think of gas, like when you

722
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: have to fart in stuff. It's gas around the organs.

723
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: And the reason that that could kill a person is

724
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: because if gas accumulates underneath the skin around the organs.

725
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: It could compress some of the organs, and it could

726
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: push the diaphragm up so far that it could cause

727
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: difficulty that the heart has a difficult time beating. It

728
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: could get it doesn't put blood out as fast as

729
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: it should be doing because of so much air pushing

730
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: up on it, and the blood's not returning back to

731
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: the heart quick enough. Right. So the reason that this happened,

732
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: they think, is because he had so much poop inside

733
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: of his intestines that it tore it put like micro

734
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: tears inside of his bowl and air. And you know

735
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: when you have poop inside of your bells, those bacteria

736
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: are constantly putting off gases and that's why you fart. Right. Well,

737
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: if you have a big turd that's inside of your colon,

738
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: that gas can't get through, so it builds up inside

739
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: the bell. But if there's tears in the bow, that

740
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: gas leaks out and that's how it gets into the

741
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: abdominal cavity. Typically at autopsy, when we see poop, we

742
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: might just mention what it looks like. Was it watery,

743
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: was it bloody? Was it did it appear to be constipated?

744
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: But in this case, at the autopsy, they actually weighed

745
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: the poop, and poop doesn't have a normal weight, and

746
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: normally when organs or things don't have a normal weight, like,

747
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: what's the point of measuring them? Because they could be this,

748
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: they could be that. But there's never a situation where

749
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: someone should have anywhere near twenty pounds of impacted feces

750
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: inside of their bell. This guy, you know, after investigation,

751
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to the bathroom for months, And I

752
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: guess the really messed up part of it was that

753
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: he was mentally ill. He was on medications that caused constipation,

754
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: and the center he was living at had no kinds

755
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: of checks to make sure that the patients were going

756
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: to the bathroom every day.

757
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, the family sewing the place. And I one

758
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: hundred percent could get behind this because if he was

759
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: being vocal about having issues and they were just blowing

760
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: him off, weren't they didn't they say too he had

761
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: a giant bruise on his abdomen. Yeah, he had a

762
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: giant bruise across his abdomen, and he had all signs

763
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: that he was dealing with severe constipation. And the thing

764
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: is is that this he was very young, right in

765
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: his early forties.

766
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, this so attention. Numo peritoneum is considered a medical emergency.

767
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: But if you go get surgery and also just handle

768
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: this impaction, like he didn't have to die from this,

769
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: and this took a long time for this to happen.

770
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: You don't think about all of the food you eat

771
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: every single day and stuff and putting it together and

772
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: making it weigh twenty pounds, and that's after all the

773
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: fluids removed from it, all the nutrients are removed from it.

774
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: It's chewed up like that's just like a lot of poop,

775
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot of food that wasn't getting through elsive. It

776
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: is And if you're trusting that your child or your

777
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: loved one is at a home that's taking care of

778
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: them because they're so mentally ill that they can't live

779
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: by themselves, then this is their fault. Is just terrible.

780
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: I can't it's so unaccepted. It's just and it's sad too,

781
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: because like I'm sure everyone listening right now has dealt

782
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: with constipation at some point in their life. It's terrible.

783
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: It is absolutely terrible. And he was complaining so much

784
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: about abdominal pain to so many people for such a

785
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: long time, and like they were trying to get him

786
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: to sit on the toilet, Like how uneducated are these

787
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: people that are taking care of these people? Like, when

788
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: you have that much poop stuck in your stomach, you

789
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: can't just sit on the toilet and push it out.

790
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: There has to be lots of interventions of mir relax

791
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: and laxatives and possible surgical intervention and animals and things

792
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: like that. You can't just be like, oh, sit down

793
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: and try to poop. Well.

794
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and apparently they're claiming that they never alerted his

795
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: physician either, so nobody was even going to be looking

796
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: at this and they were clearly not trained enough to

797
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: be dealing with it.

798
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

799
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: Last story, This woman was five months pregnant and ended

800
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: up developing a life threatening infection which required surgery to

801
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: remove her fetus, who did not survive. So a couple

802
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: weeks ago, she picked up her son's ashes and stopped

803
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: Ataria on the way home, leaving the urn inside of

804
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: the car. So she comes back to the car after

805
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: an hour and finds the box the urn was in

806
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: is ripped open and the urn is nowhere to be found.

807
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: Who steals ashes from a car.

808
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, it's because someone thought that the urn was

809
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: worth money, and they're just they don't care. They just

810
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: don't kept at that point.

811
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is right, but at that point

812
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: you can't like dump them into the box, so.

813
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: She at least has her child. If you're gonna steal

814
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: the vessels, I don't think people care. They just don't care.

815
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: The worst part of this story is that she said

816
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: two people in their early twenties were eyeing her down,

817
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: and then when she went in the store and they

818
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: reviewed the security, they are the ones that did it.

819
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: So you did it, and then you're gonna stare her down,

820
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: like can this lady have one second of peace? She

821
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: had lost her kid. It's sad because she was she

822
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: was pregnant and she had to be forced to have

823
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: an elective termination because of some infection that she had.

824
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: They didn't really elaborate on that, but she she had

825
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: to get this procedure done and went through the extra

826
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: lengths that many people I know from experience working in

827
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: pathology don't go through, which is having the funeral home

828
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: come to the hospital and pick up the fetal remains

829
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: and cremate them. It's not commonly done in relation to

830
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: how many times procedures like that are done, and which

831
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: means to me that she really wanted this child and

832
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: she couldn't because of medical reasons, and she wanted a

833
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: proper burial, and like that's a lot. That's a huge

834
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: decision for a woman to even have to make, to

835
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: begin with, going through that heartache, and then on top

836
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: of that, trying to keep the remains with you, and

837
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: then some scumbag decides to break into your car and

838
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: steal it. It's just so it's so cruel, and I

839
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: hope by getting the story out that somebody would hear

840
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: it and just be like just return pour it into

841
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: a bag and just leave it at a police station

842
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, Like.

843
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like obviously they're pieces of shit

844
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: and they don't care. But I'm like you, it's clear

845
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: as day it's an urn. It's not a freaking vase, right,

846
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: like you know what's inside of it.

847
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: So you couldn't even have left it.

848
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Not that that would have been that would have been

849
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: so incredibly fucked up and disrespectful too, if that if

850
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: they dumped it out in the box. But like This

851
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: lady doesn't care about the value of the vessel. She

852
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: just wants her son's remains. It's so terrible.

853
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: I didn't we talk about a story that a mom

854
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: had the remains stolen out of her car too before? Probably,

855
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't.

856
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: Know, I can't remember anything we talked about just last week,

857
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: you know what, something like trigger when I when I

858
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: was reading this, I was like, oh, we covered this

859
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: story a while ago.

860
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: And then when I read it, I was like, no,

861
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: this is a new story. It had something to do

862
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: with like, oh, it wasn't the car it was didn't

863
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: the mom have wasn't she like sending the sun via

864
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: ups the ashes and she didn't declare that they were

865
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Speaker 1: was it ups or the postal service whatever didn't declare

866
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Speaker 1: it was ashes and the package got lost or something

867
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: like that.

868
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, like we've had stories like that. We had

869
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: that one of that guy that was on an airplane

870
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: and the ashes got opened in his luggage by accident.

871
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: We had the kids that ate the ashes. We've had

872
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: people that have vacuumed them up. But there is a

873
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: special place in hell for people that break into a

874
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: person's car and steals ashes of their loved ones. Just

875
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: to get what ten dollars for the earn.

876
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

877
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: It's disgusting, all right. Let's move on to questions and emails.

878
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: So if you guys have any questions or comments or

879
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: stories you want to share with us, please share them

880
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: at stories at mothernosdeath dot com. So we already read Amy's,

881
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: so let's get onto Gen's. Says I'm the ct tech

882
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: that previously emailed you about the portable X ray machine.

883
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: You probably don't remember, but I met you at dark

884
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: Side and mentioned my son as a pilot in response

885
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 2: to your question about what happens when an aircraft seat

886
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: gets soiled. If the plane has a quick turnaround, they'll

887
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: be delayed, but only for a short time, during which

888
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 2: they will make an announcement that typically would be something

889
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: like we need to change a light fixture on the plane.

890
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: The entire seat cover comes off like a slipcover and

891
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: is replaced with a clean one. Well, that's good to know,

892
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: and other affected areas floor walls get cleaned and disinfected.

893
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: They have maintenance staff to assist a flight attend attendant

894
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: to work incredibly fast. Before I sign off, I just

895
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: have to tell you guys that I bust out laughing

896
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: every time I hear Maria say, ew, you guys are

897
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: amazing and I love your show. Thank you, Jen, thank

898
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: you for this information.

899
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: And of course we remember you. Yes, we love you

900
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: so oh my god, yeah, thank you. I figured that

901
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: it could have been something like that. I just was thinking,

902
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: like a slipcover, right, is is like a cushion underneath

903
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: that the poop would just seep through. But maybe they're

904
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: kind of waterproof, like ae those waterproof like mattress protectors

905
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: you could put on. Yeah, maybe it's like something like that.

906
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: But I love that you said that they're like, oh,

907
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: we have to change a light bulb like So, next

908
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: time I ever hear that they're doing some maintenance like that,

909
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be like, Okay, who took a shit

910
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: on the seat that I'm about to go sit in? Though?

911
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: Seriously, and just you just have to hope it's not yours?

912
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: All right, last somebody asked my hot take on the

913
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: Blake Lively just about Dody situation.

914
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't really have a hot take.

915
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: I think they're both incredibly annoying people, and I honestly

916
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: want this to go away.

917
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing about it, I have a hot take.

918
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: I just can't stand her. I can't stand either. I

919
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: can't stand that whole like that whole crew of people.

920
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: They're just annoying. I don't know.

921
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: He had a podcast about male feminism. Uh no, thank you,

922
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: and then she is what does that mean?

923
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: He's a male feminist, don't you know?

924
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: But then he got used to sexually assaulting somebody or

925
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: sexually harassing somebody. It's a man that stands up for

926
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Speaker 2: women's rights.

927
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: It's such bullshit.

928
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, it's so it's such fraudulent

929
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: behavior to like act like you're this higher than now

930
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: or higher than everybody else, like this great man that

931
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.

932
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: That's how every celebrity is.

933
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not every but most so disgusting. And then she

934
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: is like the devil. There's been rumors about her, that

935
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: she's been terrible forever. And then when you hear about

936
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: everything that happened on that dumb movie about a dumb book,

937
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

938
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: That author is not good. It's not good. I'm sorry.

939
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: But she, you know, was trying to take over the script.

940
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: You're trying to have her dragons or whatever. Get involved

941
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: and have her friends write songs. And then I think

942
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: I just heard that they fired the costume designer and

943
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: she was bringing her own clothes from home, which that

944
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: movie has the worst costume design I've ever seen in

945
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: my life. She looks so terrible, totally unflattering. And then

946
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: I read that she wanted to get paid as the

947
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: costume designer to so you put somebody out of a

948
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: job and totally ruined a movie that could have been

949
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: esthetically nice. It's unbelievable. The privileges people have is unbelievable.

950
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, the whole thing is like it just

951
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: seems like a conjured up nothing, and I guess a

952
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: lot of people are talking about them. MOVI. Did that

953
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: movie like actually make any money?

954
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: Or the movie did actually make I mean, the book

955
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: is extremely popular, so the movie I is the book terrible.

956
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 2: I just don't like the way that author writes. I've

957
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: tried to read her books before, and you know, I've

958
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: almost read a hundred books this year.

959
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: Think about that.

960
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: I've bet eighty nine books this year so far. And

961
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: if I get and some of them are truly terrible,

962
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: But if I can't even get past like ten to

963
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: twenty percent of a book. I can't focus on the writing,

964
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: and that's bad. Think about that. And I can read

965
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: almost anything. Just try to read a couple of her

966
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 2: book and it's just not for me. But I think

967
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: the message of showing domestic violence and everything, it was

968
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: cool that somebody tried to like bring that to light

969
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: and try to like get awareness for it and everything.

970
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: But I think the movie got lost. I think that

971
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: message got lost with all this drama behind that movie.

972
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: Just based upon like I'm just talking shit right now,

973
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: based upon what I've heard. My personal opinion is that

974
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: she was filming that movie and like started having a

975
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: crush on that guy totally, and like he rejected her

976
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: in some way or something, and then she did all

977
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: this shit to be retaliatory. That's that's my personal like

978
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: just from life experience. That's what seemed like it happened.

979
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: And some of the texts that during their text exchange,

980
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: because remember they got released, I just felt like it

981
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: was her trying to like test the waters to see

982
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: if he would reciprocate like like a little bit more

983
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: than a friendship. Well yeah, and I mean I think

984
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: she's married to an incredibly powerful person. She that guy sucks.

985
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: He sucks too.

986
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, with all this drama coming out,

987
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: I really I never really liked him that much, but

988
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: I really like he sks me out when I see

989
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: his face now.

990
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: And one of my favorite Christmas movies ever is Just.

991
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: Friends, and I don't know if I could watch it

992
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: anymore because I seriously can't stand his face, like don't

993
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: want to hear his voice.

994
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: Well, I know it sucks too because I used to

995
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: one of my movies when I was younger that I

996
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: thought was like a really funny movie is Waiting. Oh yeah,

997
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: Like I think that movie was like really funny. But

998
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: now I'm just kind of like, eh, you know it.

999
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: It like now that he's a rock star and stuff,

1000
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: it's just like turn off listen. Honestly, Like I've been

1001
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: saying this, I feel like I said it on Gandhi

1002
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: Show and I'll say it here, Like there was so

1003
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: much mystery to these fabulous lives that movie stars used

1004
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: to live and we didn't know too many details, and

1005
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: I just feel like it should stay that way. Once

1006
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: they start showing their personality and opening their mouth and stuff,

1007
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of like yeah.

1008
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean I even just found out. I

1009
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 2: thank you Kim Morgan again for recommending that book about

1010
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: Charles Manson called Chaos. I recommend everybody reads it. I

1011
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 2: just finished it. But in that book, I just found

1012
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: out that Charles Manson was staying with Brian Wilson from

1013
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: The Beach Boys. And now I'm like, well, now I

1014
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: have a new perspective on him when I knew nothing

1015
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 2: about him before.

1016
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: Now I feel like I knew that before. There was

1017
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: some connection there. I feel like I heard.

1018
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to know what these freaks do in

1019
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: their personal life. I just want to watch movies and

1020
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: enjoy the art. I don't want to know anything about

1021
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: them anymore. I'm over it.

1022
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: But the more that comes out about celebrities and like

1023
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: what's going between the Diddy thing and the Epstein thing

1024
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: and stuff, You're just like, what is going on?

1025
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: It's the question we always pose, how do people live?

1026
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: It is unbelievable.

1027
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: It's just like the parties are going to and the

1028
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: people they're affiliating with and stuff. It's just like it's

1029
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: just I don't know, you're on this plane, you're doing it.

1030
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: Like what, I don't know what happens in these people's lives.

1031
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: I can't fathom being on their level. So maybe when

1032
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 2: you get up there, it's like some scientology, you unlocks

1033
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: the lord's he new and then you understand all of

1034
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: a sudden, But I don't know, are what are these

1035
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: people doing? And I'm tired of hearing about their lives.

1036
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: I wish they would go away, honestly, all of them.

1037
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: Some exciting news, we have some new merch coming out

1038
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1039
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,400
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1040
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1041
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1042
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Speaker 2: new designs. I think you guys are going to love

1043
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1044
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,680
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1045
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Speaker 1: but other we have stuff for the gross room, Mother

1046
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1047
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1048
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1049
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1050
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1051
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1052
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1053
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1054
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1055
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Speaker 1: Say ya, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.

1056
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Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant.

1057
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

1058
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Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I

1059
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,360
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1060
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,879
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1061
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1062
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Speaker 1: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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Speaker 1: Always remember that science is changing every day and the

1065
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Speaker 1: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

1066
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