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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 3: Scott Carlin is staying with me on for this next

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Speaker 3: hour and the following, and also joining us is director

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Speaker 3: James Fox. He has recently had a new UFO documentary

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Speaker 3: called The Program Which I Watch, which is phenomenal. It

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Speaker 3: goes behind the congressional hearings to leave skeptics astounded by

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Speaker 3: new assertions from a growing cross of high level insiders

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Speaker 3: who insist there is definitive proof we are not alone.

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Speaker 3: Welcome James, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 4: Oh, Lisa, thank you so much for having.

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Speaker 3: Me on, And welcome back Scott, thank you for joining

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Speaker 3: me again.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Lisa, Hey, James, Hey, Scott.

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Speaker 4: Good to hear you. Boys.

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Speaker 2: Call reunion is happening this evening.

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Speaker 3: You know, Scott, I have a quick question for you

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Speaker 3: about the role of media and for you as well, James.

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Speaker 3: How important do you think it is for media to

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Speaker 3: be covering these this area of UAPs in mainstream media?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that we have been complicit with not maintaining,

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Speaker 3: with maintaining the secrecy that the government has said is illegitimate.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that we have not done our job

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Speaker 3: of bringing more now, of course on this show coast

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Speaker 3: to coast, but in mainstream media, other mainstream outlets, do

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Speaker 3: you think that we've not done our job?

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Speaker 4: Do you want me to take a first stab at

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Speaker 4: that or go for James? Go for it, James, I'm

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Speaker 4: going all in on this one.

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Speaker 2: You do it.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I've been on Larry King nine times.

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Speaker 6: I was just thinking about that, and I've been on

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Speaker 6: you know, Fox and CNN and MSNBC and Nightline and

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Speaker 6: Dateline with previous films. The last time I got any

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Speaker 6: mainstream real coverage was with the Phenomenon. Now, granted there was,

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Speaker 6: you know, the Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid participated in

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Speaker 6: the film Who's the Household Name? You know, we recently

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Speaker 6: come off the heels of the New York Times article

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Speaker 6: that that exposed the previously secret Pentagon UFO program. But

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Speaker 6: since then, having like gone a little further, I did

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Speaker 6: a film called Moment of Contact. Excuse me about it,

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Speaker 6: an alleged UFO crash in Brazil. Not one mainstream media

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Speaker 6: outlet touched it.

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Speaker 4: I got it. I did another films, most recently.

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Speaker 6: The program, and other than a few, barely any mainstream

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Speaker 6: coverage whatsoever. And I'm thinking to myself, this is so

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Speaker 6: strange because you get, you know, a president's sexual pecadillos,

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Speaker 6: and and it's like it's all hands on deck with

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Speaker 6: all the news organism, the.

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Speaker 4: Various news organizations.

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Speaker 6: You get uh, you know, a high level uh you know,

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Speaker 6: intelligence officer like David Grush testifying under oath to a

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Speaker 6: bipartisan group of lawmakers that we have definitive proof that

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Speaker 6: we're not alone. You think that's so significant and so profound,

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Speaker 6: not just the United States but globally, that we owe

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Speaker 6: it to ourselves to take it down. But they've done

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Speaker 6: basically nothing other than News Nation News Nation's really been

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Speaker 6: doing some great coverage, but not a lot more.

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Speaker 3: What would be the headline could it? Would it be

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Speaker 3: we are not alone? How does this change the way

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Speaker 3: we live live our lives now today? I mean, would

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Speaker 3: that maybe alert some people like today our lives are

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Speaker 3: going to change because we are not alone? I mean,

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Speaker 3: what would it take? What would you see? The headline

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Speaker 3: would be there, Scott, what would be the name of

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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's just a catastrophic, tragic, you know,

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Speaker 5: abdication of the first principles of what you know, journalism

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Speaker 5: and a free press should be. And they've just completely

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Speaker 1: And you know, the.

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Speaker 5: Headline would be, you've been lied to for eighty years.

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Speaker 5: You've been it's been obfuscated by the press who hasn't

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Speaker 5: covered it. There's a you know, a devout complicitness there.

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Speaker 5: But the headline ultimately is that the government the military

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Speaker 5: have known about this for decades, for decades, and have

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Speaker 5: you know, psyoped us put this information out there, stigmatize

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Speaker 5: the problem is they've dug themselves such a deep, epic,

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Speaker 5: ultimately reveal, Yes, you know we have had We've been

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Speaker 5: retrieving uh, non human intelligence vehicles since World War Two.

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Speaker 5: Yes we've covered biologics. Yes they are with us today.

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Speaker 5: Yes they have technology and are able to penetrate our

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Speaker 5: that that can't happen. And the problem for the press

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Speaker 5: they should start, they can start tomorrow, but it's a

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Speaker 5: the headline is we screwed up, the government screwed up,

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Speaker 5: and you, the public, you know, have been the screw ease.

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Speaker 5: You've been, you know, left out of the biggest story

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Speaker 5: News Nation, Leslie Kane and other people Jesse Michael's other

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Speaker 5: people out there who are doing real, real, real hard

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Speaker 5: that's where it's being told and that's where that's where

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Speaker 5: the public needs to find the truth today.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and in terms of the program, movie and also

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Speaker 3: by the public. Now, there's a whole different set of

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Speaker 2: How did that go for you, James with the program movie?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's incredible because you know, you've got

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Speaker 6: the phenomenon is so vast. You know, people are curious

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Speaker 6: and it's one of the few topics that that transcends

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Speaker 6: you know, as someone who's cranked out a number of

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Speaker 4: Last thirty years. Uh, they they all perform incredibly well.

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Speaker 6: And and I and I'm always shocked at how you know,

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Speaker 6: one would expect the executives to take notice, you know,

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Speaker 4: We've been doing this.

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Speaker 6: The program is the most independent release I've ever done

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Speaker 6: Uh, you know, so there's clearly a tremendous interest within

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Speaker 4: It just shocks me that mainstream media hasn't hasn't.

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Speaker 6: Followed up right, I mean, what was the name of

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Speaker 6: Thomas Monheim, according to David Grush. And it's amazing to

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Speaker 6: didn't see any mainstream media outlet try to get him,

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Speaker 4: To the ic i G.

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Speaker 6: And yet the mainstream media did nothing with it.

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Speaker 5: Shocking And not only that, James, if you recall the

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Speaker 5: initial comment was he deemed David Grusha's testimony urgent, incredible

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Speaker 5: and incredible, yep, urgent, incredible.

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Speaker 3: And so in terms of that, if it is urgent,

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Speaker 3: it could be porcupines, it could be anything. But this

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Speaker 2: So there'll take Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you something else as well. You know, I

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Speaker 6: waited a long time. I don't think unfortunately Stanton Friedman,

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Speaker 6: But finally sixty minutes did a segment on UFOs and

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Speaker 6: I think it was one of their best most popular

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Speaker 4: Stories that they ever did. And where's the follow up stuff?

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Speaker 4: You know, like, you make these incredible claims and then

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Speaker 6: You know, it's incredibly popular, there's a massive interest.

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Speaker 4: It's just sucking to me.

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Speaker 3: So is it because that these claims that do not

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Speaker 4: Scott, you want to.

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, you have seventy years of obfuscation of this

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Speaker 5: mister Beale, you are screwing with the primal forces of nature.

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Speaker 5: Well trust me. The institutional forces that have been embedded

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Speaker 5: what's holding it. You know, what's holding it back? And

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Speaker 5: when Orson Wells and the Mercury Theater broadcast The War

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Speaker 5: back then, in fact, we don't think the public can

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Speaker 5: handle this, this this information and that has that mentality

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Speaker 5: has sustained itself for seventy some odd years. And the

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Speaker 5: reality is, Lisa, I think the public and most people today,

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Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, Jake Barber said something. I

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Speaker 5: thought it was a completely brilliant reframe of the subject.

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Speaker 5: How do we get some context? What do we do

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Speaker 3: I think the evidence the listenership of this audience of

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Speaker 3: common theme of experiencers in this audience and our connected

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Speaker 3: to connect. It's definitely this is a lot of evidence here.

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Speaker 3: But I did also like what Jake Barber said in

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Speaker 3: that is something that humanity has always been fascinated with.

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Speaker 3: it is definitely a fascination. What if there was a

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Speaker 3: you know, that was more of the perspective here rather

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Speaker 3: I don't know, James, do you have an opinion on that?

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Speaker 6: You know, it's funny, I see going back what Scott

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Speaker 4: The capital was buzzed, the White House was buzzed.

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Speaker 6: They scrambled military jets to intercept these things. They flew

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Speaker 6: that policy of ridicule and it just stuck.

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Speaker 4: It was incredibly effective.

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Speaker 6: I think it's changing a lot more now. But you know, people,

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Speaker 6: I'll give an example like I got an next door

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Speaker 6: like him.

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Speaker 4: All around the world.

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Speaker 6: World. Guy know this because I investigate UFOs for a

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Speaker 6: long time, that people that are dying to tell their story,

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Speaker 6: that are holding it, you know, that know it's true

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Speaker 6: because they've seen it with their own eyes. The case

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Speaker 6: in point, my extra neighbors very interested in what I do,

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Speaker 4: And then finally, after a couple of years, I.

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Speaker 6: Said Jack, I said, Jack, you are so you're a

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Speaker 6: next level interesting why And he goes nineteen eighty Green

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Speaker 4: I drive. It's like it was yesterday, and there's millions

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Speaker 4: They know it's real.

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Speaker 6: They've seen it, you know, the ranchers and and people

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Speaker 4: They know it's real. So I think the government has

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know they're gonna have to reveal their

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Speaker 6: they're gonna have to reveal what they don't know.

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Speaker 4: And that and that I.

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Speaker 6: Think has been the reluctance for a for a broader,

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Speaker 6: It was very inquisitive, not skeptical really at all. I

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Speaker 6: Mean there was like one congressman I think that basically

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Speaker 6: but definitely intrigued. I mean you've got you know, military

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Speaker 6: have to chase it down. We have to follow through

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Speaker 4: How could you not follow up? You know, you've got high.

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Speaker 6: Level military officials making these incredible assertions that you know,

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Speaker 6: with global implications. So and I think, quite honestly, I

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Speaker 6: humanity needs right now, is you know, I think it

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Speaker 6: Is one one race, one species, one planet.

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Speaker 4: That's been something I've said for decades, and I believe

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