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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Work in Progress friends. This week we have

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Speaker 1: someone I am elated to talk to. As you all

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Speaker 1: know from our wonderful episode with Amanda Knox, I am

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Speaker 1: fascinated with her story, and her story has come to

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Speaker 1: life on Hulu with The Twisted Tale of Amanda Knox,

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Speaker 1: which is dominating the conversation right now and certainly expanding

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Speaker 1: the already impressive reach of its star, Grace Van Patten.

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Speaker 1: Grace was raised by two creative parents and quickly established

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Speaker 1: her own artistic identity and voice. She has worked with

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Speaker 1: incredible visionaries like Noah Bombach and Nicole Kidman. Her Hulu

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Speaker 1: series Tell Me Lies is on its way back to

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Speaker 1: us for its third season and promises to be even

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Speaker 1: more intense. But my goodness, the intensity of this role.

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Speaker 1: Grace plays Amanda Knox with such a commitment to the

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Speaker 1: mess of it all, the fear, the anxiety, the trauma

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Speaker 1: frankly of what it's like to be wrongly accused of

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Speaker 1: a heinous crime, and the show really leans into investigating perception, justice,

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Speaker 1: and identity. It's the kind of layered storytelling that as

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Speaker 1: an observer I would say has become Grace's signature. She

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Speaker 1: gravitates toward complex characters, she amplifies women's voices, and she

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Speaker 1: wants to be part of roles that challenge the way

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Speaker 1: I am thrilled to sit down with and chat with today.

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Speaker 1: Let's dive in with Grace Van Patten. Hi, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled that you're here. I'm so excited about

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Speaker 1: the project. But before we jump into all the things

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Speaker 1: happening this week, in terms for our friends at home

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Speaker 1: of when we're recording, I actually want to go backwards

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Speaker 1: because I feel like audiences when you're promoting something, or

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Speaker 1: you know you're a few years into a series like

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Speaker 1: you are, they know what you've been up to. But

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Speaker 1: I'm always really curious about where people come from, and

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Speaker 1: so I like to ask people from this vantage point

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Speaker 1: that you're at today, if you got to go back

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Speaker 1: with your eight year old self, do you think you

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Speaker 1: do you think she would be so amped to find

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Speaker 2: That makes me want to cry. That's so cute. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think she'd be amped. I think she'd be really excited.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if she saw all of this in

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Speaker 2: maintained that. Yeah, it is crazy to think about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I had no like acting was something that I

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Speaker 2: And how lucky I am that those two things can

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Speaker 1: I think it's also really interesting because people assume if

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Speaker 1: The people who have connections to the industry often know

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Speaker 1: like a quintessential theater kid, always singing in vibrato in

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to me that I always land on kind

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget that feeling of walking into Steiner Studios

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Speaker 1: Do you think because because I get what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: Kind of movie Yeah yeah, yeah, for like that would

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Speaker 1: But when you grow up and a parent is crewe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely knew that it was a creative household.

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Speaker 2: My dad is such a creative, artistic soul and my

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Speaker 2: curious people and always like always pushed us to find

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Speaker 2: And for me it was acting and sports and whole

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Speaker 2: definitely felt like that. And my dad, like we didn't

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Speaker 2: Like not as a kid, I didn't know that that

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Speaker 1: And I think when you do this, when you're part

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Speaker 2: They're all really creative. Yeah. My middle sister is also

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Speaker 2: other sister's only fourteen and she is really into basketball

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's so fun. Do you go to the Liberty game?

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting that you guys, you figured out something

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Speaker 1: because I know you had to choose between a sports

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like looking back, you you know how

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Speaker 2: No, I just season three. I just I'm just starting

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Speaker 1: BFA program at USC and got in, and so I

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Speaker 1: stayed Wow, And then I almost didn't take One Tree

441
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: Hill because I didn't want to miss my senior year

442
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: in college because it felt so it felt like all

443
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: the movies I grew up on because I hadn't had

444
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: that high school experience. So then I get to Wilmington

445
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: and I have to play a boy crazy, most popular

446
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: girl in school, who's the head of the cheer team.

447
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: I've never cheered. I didn't go to school with boys.

448
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: There were fifty five of us in my entire grade.

449
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: There was no popularity contest, like we were losers.

450
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: Oh my friends and I were like.

451
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: The awkward theater camp kids. And I had to like

452
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: go b Brooks Davis and I was like, Okay, I

453
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 1: guess I can pretend I would have.

454
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: Never guessed that you're so natural and it fit, like,

455
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're so say that's crazy.

456
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: When we started rewatching the show for Drama Queen's other podcast,

457
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: which was our COVID project, I literally for the first

458
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: five episodes was like, oh my god, I need to

459
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: step trying so hard. I'm trying so hard to like

460
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: be the cool girl, and eventually I think I settled

461
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: into it. Oh my god, it's crazy to me that

462
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Speaker 1: that's the part I got hired for because that was

463
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Speaker 1: your first job. That was my first regular gig.

464
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

465
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: I had been working a little bit, but that was

466
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: my first like series regular job.

467
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: That's crazy and what like to make that decision and

468
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: think about the other pass and think about crazy. Yeah, yeah,

469
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: that's that's nine years. I can imagine three years now.

470
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: It feels like nine and so I can't imagine, do

471
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 2: you know, because.

472
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Streaming is so different. I feel like most shows go

473
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: max three or four seasons.

474
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you we don't know yet, if you.

475
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Find out at the end of every year like we

476
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: used to, right exactly.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like it feels like it's coming to like,

478
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: it feels like that would be the appropriate thing to

479
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: kind of have this have it three, but it's so

480
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: good we don't want to know. It'd be so bittersweet.

481
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: It really would be like, Yeah, the cast, we are

482
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: all so close, like we are family, Like they are

483
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: some of my best friends, and I feel so like,

484
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: like I cannot imagine if we didn't get along and

485
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: for that i'd be sad, like a group of friends

486
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: working together like special. It just actually feels it's just

487
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: so fun. It's so fun but also nice to like

488
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: move on.

489
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: How did that job come your way? Was it one

490
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: of a million things you were going out for and

491
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out?

492
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I remember first meeting with Megan, the showrunner,

493
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: and hearing about it and just thinking it was so

494
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: I just love watching those types of things, toxic relationships,

495
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: and I just blew Valentine's one of my favorite movies. Yeah,

496
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: Urban Cowboy. It's like painful, but it's like exciting too,

497
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: and or at least I found movies like that exciting.

498
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: But maybe it's just because I found the acting exciting,

499
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: like people just kind of losing their mind.

500
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: Totally because it feels dangerous.

501
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels dangerous and free, yes, yes, acting wise,

502
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: like it feels like you could just kind of go crazy.

503
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: And I thought this this show was such a cool

504
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: way to show it within young people in a serious way,

505
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: Like it takes these young people's feelings so seriously, which

506
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: I had never seen before.

507
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: It's so refreshing.

508
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun.

509
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: It's like we have to stop treating young people like

510
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: they're stupid.

511
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: I hate when we treat audiences like they're stupid. And

513
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: I hate when we treat characters like they're stupid.

514
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, like young dumb Yeah yeah, yeah totally. I mean

515
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: these characters are they might be doing really stupid thing.

516
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just part of growing up. We'll be back

517
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: in just a minute after a few words from our

518
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: favorite sponsors. I mean, talking about feeling like you could

519
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: lose your mind in a role, talk to me about

520
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: playing Amanda Knox. Where did this even begin? And also,

521
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, I remember that trial. I remember when this

522
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: was happening. I don't remember if I was in high

523
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: school or college, but I remember it being everywhere in

524
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: the media. Obviously, this is pre social media, all of

525
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: the sort of slew thing people can do now. There

526
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: were no amateur crime solvers things out. The media could

527
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: spin stories, They could make you think anything about anyone

528
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: that they wanted to. And her story was so insane, insane,

529
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: And now, as an adult, not only to have seen

530
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: what's happened with her story and to know she was

531
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: wrongfully convicted, to know there was literally not a shred

532
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: of evidence that she was anywhere near this crime and

533
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: to realize what they said about her.

534
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Speaker 2: What was it like for you?

535
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: Because you had to go back and I would imagine,

536
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: read it, watch it, learn it, pay me a picture.

537
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: Of this shocking because I was really young when it

538
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: all happened, So I wasn't you know, I didn't have

539
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: a memory of the headlines and the controversy of it,

540
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: but I knew her name, like that name was so

541
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: engraved in my head for some reason. I don't know,

542
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: But I do remember watching the Netflix documentary in twenty

543
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: fifteen or twenty sixteen when it came out, and that

544
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: was that was around the time I had started acting professionally,

545
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: and I have a vivid memory of calling my agents

546
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: at the time saying I need to play her. No,

547
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: it was I don't know why I thought. I was

548
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: so intrigued by this story and by her like I

549
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: thought she was such an individual person and for someone

550
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: being scrutinized by her behavior so much, I'm like what what?

551
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: I was just so fascinated by it. So this was

552
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: a crazy, crazy, full circle, weird universal I don't know,

553
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, crazy thing that this happened.

554
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so where did you begin when you heard this

555
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: was happening.

556
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: I think I when I heard it was happening, it

557
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: wasn't an open thing, like I think they were like,

558
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: they're offering it to a big name. And then when

559
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 2: I heard and then all of a sudden, a man

560
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: in Knox started following me on Instagram and that was

561
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: the first like what's going on? Yeah? And I texted

562
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: my agents right away. I'm like, what does this mean?

563
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: What is this guys? And they're like, let's see what

564
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: do you need to know? And from that point on,

565
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: it was like meeting with kJ and Warren, who like,

566
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: like I hadn't started my research at that point. I

567
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: was just so interested in it and wanted to know

568
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: what the angle was and what was happening with it.

569
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: And hearing Kj's vision for it.

570
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did they pitch it to you?

571
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it was like, well, I learned so

572
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: much just within that pitch of it, of how she

573
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: was setting up the show, but also the approach to

574
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: it of she just had such a perspective and which

575
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: is so rare, especially for a true crime show. It's

576
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: like to not just have it be shock value morbid,

577
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: you know, it was. It had the essence of Amanda,

578
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: which I didn't know yet at the time, but like

579
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: having the tone be Amilee esque because Omily was Amanda's

580
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: favorite movie and it was also her alibi, and having

581
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: those omileesque sequences that feel like her, feel like Amanda's essence,

582
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: and like it's a way to understand her and what

583
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: happened simultaneously. And it I thought, that was so smart,

584
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: such a smart way to tell this story, yea. And

585
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 2: it made me so it just made me so much

586
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: more interested. And it was like it was a very

587
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: quick process of like finding out that I was doing it,

588
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: and then two months later we were shooting it. So

589
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: like squeezing in two months, learning as much Italian as

590
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: I could and speaking Amanda as much as I could.

591
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean, were you guys just on FaceTime all the time.

592
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: I bugged her for a bit and she was not

593
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: even bugger. She was like, she was just so cool

594
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: and willing to talk to me about anything. She's so like,

595
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: oh my gosh.

596
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: It really it strikes me as something so interesting for

597
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: you to be portraying now because even over the last

598
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: twenty years, the increase in our societal consciousness about the

599
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: way women get spoken to, spoken about portrayed who they

600
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: get to be. You're too much of this, You're not

601
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: enough of that has grown in ways that are so relieving,

602
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: and also I think not enough.

603
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I I think about.

604
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: Hearing about that story and from today looking back, and

605
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: we had her on the show, yeah, when the show

606
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: is coming out, and she's so incredible, And what really

607
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: struck me about her is she's so intelligent. I mean,

608
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: she's a brilliant woman. And for some reason, particularly when

609
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: we were all kind of college aged, you weren't allowed

610
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: to be beautiful and brilliant. If you were pretty, it

611
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: meant you were a slot. It meant you were easy

612
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: pickings for, you know, some boy at a hideous phrase

613
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: like she was demonized in this way because she went

614
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: away and was falling for a boy. Like, what's more

615
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: pure or sweet than that.

616
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: She's twenty years old in Italy and knew a guy

617
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: for seven days. He was exploring it and was living life.

618
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, a man would never be judged for that, but

619
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: we've all been through it. And it was so crazy

620
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: because she and I got to talk about our experiences

621
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: granted very different but also similar cousiny with media at

622
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: a young age. And then to talk with Monica about it,

623
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, the woman who knows maybe better than anyone,

624
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: what the media can do to a young woman who's

625
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: just a human who's fallible and also really really intelligent.

626
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: God was it crazy for you to get to know

627
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: and then get to him body, Amanda, but also to

628
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: have Monica Lewinsky be involved and just to be able

629
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: to hear their stories for your own kind of like

630
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: emotional actor grounding.

631
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of it as a human, as an actor, like,

632
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: both of those women are so inspiring on how they've

633
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: come out the other side of being treated like that,

634
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: And so that was just on a human level listening

635
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: to them and being inspired by that by just two strong,

636
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: badass women. Yeah, was amazing to be in the presence

637
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: of and in terms of playing the part, it just

638
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: made me even more passionate to tell her story as

639
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: authentically as possible and like show as much as possible

640
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: what she was going through moment to moment. Nobody knows that, Like.

641
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there something that you learned from her? You know,

642
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: while you guys were getting close and you were figuring

643
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: out how to portray this something that maybe you hadn't known.

644
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: So everything, I mean there were things that I it's like,

645
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: it's everyone's guilty of it, Like, of course I assumed

646
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: how she felt in prison. Yeah, of course I assumed

647
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: how she felt during the interrogation. But that's all like

648
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: that's part of the problem, right, It's like reading the

649
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: headlines and being like, oh, she probably felt like this,

650
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: but it's like no, and now the show can show

651
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: how she really was in these moments. And what shocked

652
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: me and what was so beautiful to me is how

653
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: she handled it every step of the way. Like, of

654
00:38:52,040 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: course prison was traumatic and unfathomable, but the way she

655
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: accepted her reality and turned it around and to be like, well,

656
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: if I'm here, I'm going to make the best of it,

657
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: and every day gave herself a purpose, whether that was

658
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: learning Italian or helping other prisoners who couldn't read or write, Like, like,

659
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: what she made of an unimaginable moment is so inspiring,

660
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: and I like, I can't imagine having that mentality in

661
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: a situation like that.

662
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: So I mean it's it takes the idea of resilience and.

663
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: Like puts it in the stratosphere to me, Yeah, exactly,

664
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: it's going on a solo vacation time.

665
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: To space and yeah real, not for like ten minutes,

666
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: like an actual space spaceship alone.

667
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: You're driving it. Yes, yeah, you're just there.

668
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: It's really I mean, it's so incredible. And to your point,

669
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: for our friends at home, you'll remember from Amanda's interview

670
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: that she, I mean, she was doing justice work in prison,

671
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: helping these women not only learn skills but defend themselves.

672
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to.

673
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: Take a situation which I think the world, knowing what

674
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: was true on the other side, would have been like

675
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: totally okay if you curled up in a ball and

676
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: cried for.

677
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: Which is what I was expecting, like gone through. That's

678
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: like the natural, That's where I would go. Naturally to

679
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: be like you must be that must have ruined you,

680
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: you know, But to hear that it didn't was like

681
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: you can get through. You can like there is a

682
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: way out of things.

683
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: And something I really appreciate is her willingness to be

684
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 1: very forthcoming about Yes, I this was true.

685
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: I am different than I.

686
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Was before, but that doesn't mean I don't have the

687
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: capability to have purpose, have joy, have a life. On

688
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: the other side, and I'm really inspired by the way

689
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: that she and Monica and I know you as her

690
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: in the show model the sort of human ability to

691
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: expand to hold those oppositional things at the same time.

692
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just in terms of playing her before

693
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: it all and then now it was like working on

694
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: how to differentiate those spirits.

695
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Yes, like your energy.

696
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and what that difference was. That's not the

697
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: obvious thing.

698
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I love this. This is like the inside the

699
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: actor's studio moment. We get to have what was your

700
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: as an act? What was the thing that helped you

701
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: find that? How did you find them? Before?

702
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: And the after?

703
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Spirit of this woman for yourself.

704
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: I mean most importantly speaking to her and being like

705
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: just trying to understand where she was at mentally. But

706
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: it just felt like the lights were like it was

707
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: on a dimmer. It was kind of like the spirit

708
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: was on a dimmer a little bit, And which isn't

709
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: That's just that's just how I decided to differentiate it.

710
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: That's not great coming from Amanda, but just like in

711
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: terms of showing it in a series where we don't

712
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: have time to see the full evolution of it is. Yeah,

713
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: having the spirit you do see in the beginning with

714
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: the like naive excited, whimsical, curious, like life is huge too.

715
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: I just went through something so incredibly like unimaginable, but

716
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: still have the strength like yeah, that's that was the

717
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: crazy thing. It was like, yes, she had gone through

718
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: so much at that point in the present day, but

719
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: was still on a mission to like take control of

720
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: her life. And that that was like there was no

721
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: point of weakness. It was all coming up with a

722
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: plan to to persevere through it and just like get

723
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: through it. And that was the interesting thing to find

724
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: as opposed to being like happy and then she's a

725
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: little bit less happy.

726
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: It's like human media.

727
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's so much deeper than that too, like

728
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: she and she's so articulate with her emotions and her

729
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: feelings that like that helped me so much. That helped

730
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: me so much be like, oh, yes, of course you're

731
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: explaining this so well so that I let me try

732
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: and show that as best as possible.

733
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Yes, should be in it.

734
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: With you in a way, yeah, blessing. And all I

735
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: had to do is think of her in those moments

736
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: that like feel anything.

737
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, and it strikes me too,

738
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: for you at this point in your career to have

739
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: gone through this journey and to have learned with her

740
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: essentially and also with Monica, does it help you kind

741
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: of reframe your own experience in the public eye with

742
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: the internet or with the press, whether by the way

743
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: it's good or bad about yourself, Like however other people

744
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: talk about you, you know, because for me, vulnerably it's

745
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: always been weird and it still feels weird. Yeah, you know,

746
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: I have these moments where I'm like, out of a

747
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: whole life, this is the thing you want to bug

748
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: me about for what you know?

749
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: And I'm like knowing that people don't care. Also, like

750
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: all of this talk and publicizing things that like ultimately

751
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: no one cares, like they don't they're just like trying

752
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: to make money whatever the motive is, Yeah, exactly. And

753
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: that's how it was with Amanda. Her story was selling.

754
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: People didn't care people that they were scrutinized her. They

755
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: just saw the words that was gonna then cash them

756
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: a check. Like they don't connect these people in the

757
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: public eye, like actors or you know, Amanda going through

758
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: this as people. And that's exactly that's a scary part.

759
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: That's a scary part about it and being around both

760
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: in Amanda and Monica and knowing their stories. Of course

761
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: that's like scary because there's a version of that that

762
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: is of course possible being an actor. But I also

763
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: saw how they handle it, and I'm like, okay, there's

764
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: that doesn't have to if God forbid that happens in

765
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: a in a harmful way. There there is a way

766
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: to handle it. So in a way it helps you.

767
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Not necessarily feel so pressurized by it.

768
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it exists like if it's not

769
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: in the if it's not on the headlines of huge

770
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: news outlets, it's on Instagram, it's on TikTok, like there's

771
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: no way around not being spoken about, good or bad.

772
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know, just delete the apps from time

773
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: to time.

774
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: I just don't look at it. I really just don't

775
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: look at it.

776
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't either.

777
00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: You can't break.

778
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: Your publicist is like, damn it, that was a great article.

779
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've uh yeah, yeah, it's hard for me.

780
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: The phrase I always come back to the friend said

781
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: to me many years ago that my audience probably knows

782
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: I've said I'd Nazam by now, but is don't compare

783
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: your insides to other people's outsides, because that's what that is.

784
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: Like that, whether it's in print or it's online, or

785
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: it's anything on a screen or in a paper, is

786
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 1: just the outside totally. We are three dimensional, multifaceted, wonderful, fallible,

787
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: messy people.

788
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

789
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: And like the minute you start to try to flatten

790
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: yourself to compare it to some flat thing somewhere, it's.

791
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: Like, so it's dangerous. It's a dangerous game.

792
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, toss it out and like be in

793
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: your three dimensional life.

794
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I have confidence in who you are and

795
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: that you know who you are and no one else does.

796
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: So now that the whole series is out there for people,

797
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: and like that's my tap on the mic, you'll better

798
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: be caught up at home. And if you're not catch up.

799
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: But now that it's out in the world and it's

800
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: it sort of has breathing room of its own. How

801
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: do you hope it'll reframe Amanda's legacy.

802
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: I just hope people understand her more like that was

803
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 2: that was my goal through it all, Like, of course

804
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: as a show, I hope people are able to just

805
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: reconsider maybe they're preconceived ideas and form an opinion based

806
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: on these facts and what you see in the show

807
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: as opposed to the crazy headlines and the bias that

808
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: was fed to them. But for me, I really, I

809
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: really hope people like are reminded that this was a

810
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: twenty year old girl going through this, and I tried

811
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: to understand her as best as possible so that the

812
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: audience did too. And I just hope it humanizes her

813
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: a bit more because it's crazy to see people still

814
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: not see her as a human being. So I hope,

815
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: I hope that comes across and it changes people's minds.

816
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's the most powerful piece

817
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: of this medium we all get to play in. Yes,

818
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: when you just read about something, it's so easy to

819
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: judge a person. Things seem very black and white. But

820
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: when you watch a human go through something, when you

821
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: watch a character make a mistake, learn a lesson, grow,

822
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: whether that's a fictional character or someone you know real

823
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: like in this experience for you, I think we're so

824
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: much more willing to see their humanity and root for

825
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: them even when they screw up. Yeah, and I hope

826
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: that this woman who was accused of screwing up in

827
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: front of the whole world who didn't gets a little

828
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: bit of relief. You know, it feels to me like

829
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: she really deserves to be let up off the mat.

830
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 2: She does, she really does. I hope she feels that.

831
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: I hope she feels like the story was told in

832
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: the way that she wanted to be.

833
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: I know, she's so proud of the story. I hope

834
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: I won't get in trouble for revealing this, but I

835
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: obviously I agree with her. You did the most tremendous

836
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: job on this show. But on our show, she literally

837
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: said she was so blown away about you and that

838
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: she thinks you should win all of the awards. And

839
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: that is a direct quote.

840
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: That's so sweet for her.

841
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: So I hope we get to speak that into existence.

842
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: From both all. I'm just happy she's happy.

843
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: That was, Like.

844
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: I just wanted her, after her being her story being

845
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: told for her for eighteen years, she had to feel

846
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: good about how she was being portrayed.

847
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: She deserves that.

848
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, everyone, everyone deserves to tell their their

849
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: own story. It's just rare that we that we get

850
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: to tell me about it. Yeah.

851
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: Well, when you look out, you know it, what's ahead?

852
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 1: Third season of your show? This this amazing project wrapped

853
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: up for you. Whether it's actually professional or personal. What

854
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: feels like it's next, what feels like you're work in progress.

855
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I would love to figure out a

856
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: better work life balance. I feel like I haven't figured

857
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: out real life yet and feeling as purposeful as I

858
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: do when I'm working, and I know that that's not

859
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: my purpose. So it's like, I feel like finding that

860
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: is really important to me right now and doing the

861
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: things that do give me purpose when I'm not at

862
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: work I make me happy, and figuring out a routine

863
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: and like cause it's like a free for all and

864
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: I and I just would love to work on figuring

865
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: that out a bit more and balancing that out, and

866
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: like decorating my home that I've had for two years

867
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: that's like has nothing in it, and like creating a

868
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: sanctuary and just making, you know, putting piecing my life

869
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: together piece by piece so that I feel just more

870
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: solid and grounded when I'm not doing the thing I love,

871
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: which hopefully is a lot and for a long time,

872
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: but still got to figure out the real important, real important.

873
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: I would love some advice, if you have any.

874
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts. I've made these mistakes, so

875
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to.

876
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: Well, I ask actors all the time because it's like,

877
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: no matter what age, like, I've asked way older actors

878
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: and they haven't figured it out. But I know people

879
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: my age you have like I don't. I don't know

880
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 2: what it takes to figure it out, but I yeah,

881
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: I would love some.

882
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think you have to give yourself like a

883
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: little bit of permission to not have it figured out,

884
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: because the conundrum of us is there's never a routine. Yeah,

885
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: you go to work and you learn your ten pages

886
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: and then you immediately have to forget it and they

887
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: don't give you your call time until you wrap. You

888
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: can't make any plans, so you can't book a dentist appointment.

889
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: You don't even know if you can go to your

890
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: best friend's wedding. And if you really get addicted to

891
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: a routine, the absolute irrelevance of your routine and your

892
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: needs will make you crazy. You have to go to work.

893
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: But if you can't figure out a routine that is

894
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: something you can hold with an open hand. Then when

895
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: you wrap a job, if you're like me, you'll spend

896
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: five days spinning around your house in circles going, well,

897
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: which thing should I do first? And you'll beat yourself

898
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: up because you haven't gotten anything meaningful done. So it's

899
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: like on either end you feel a little paralyzed.

900
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, either.

901
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: A total lack of choice or an over abundance of choice.

902
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's taken me until like about the

903
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: last year really to start to get.

904
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: Into a middle ground of the two.

905
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: It's like I've started to learn to ride the seesaw.

906
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: And now it feels fun. That's great.

907
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: I have some I won't be like I have advice

908
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: for you, Like none of us know what we're doing.

909
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: That never changes. But I do have a few things

910
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: that are like try these and see which.

911
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I would love to hear it. Because I

912
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: also love like I think it's why I wanted to

913
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: be an actor too, because I love the idea of

914
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: no routine. I'm like not a type a person at all.

915
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: I'm I love not having a plan, and I love

916
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: making a plan like right now, and the idea of

917
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: traveling to different places and that like that was a

918
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: huge part of me wanting to do it, of like

919
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: experiencing different cities and people and whatever. But I think

920
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm like it's more of like a fear of when

921
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: I get older and I'm done with that mentality, Like,

922
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: am I going to be stranded in like an empty

923
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 2: house with a mattress on the floor and be like help.

924
00:55:52,760 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: Like two eggs so I'll figure it out. But but yeah, okay, good,

925
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have a list, I have Okay, great,

926
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: thank you for today.

927
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for you.

928
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: I love the show. I mean I love it all

929
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: the show, particularly this this project is just so amazing

930
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: and you crushed.

931
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

932
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: Congrats