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Speaker 1: Hi, Brian, Hi, Katie. Well, there's so much talk lately

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Speaker 1: Julianna Margulis, was ahead of that curve. She was winning

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Speaker 1: more desirable, Brian than the big screen. Yeah. Back in

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Speaker 1: George Clooney's character. I might add, hubba, hubba, I'm scared

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Speaker 1: to death of losing you. Don't be. I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 1: tug don't be. I love you. I love you too.

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Speaker 1: I'm so jealous, but let me continue you. Julianna is

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Speaker 1: She won critical acclaim and a boatload of awards for

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Speaker 1: her seven seasons playing Alicia Floric until she said bye, Alicia.

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Speaker 1: ME two era that we're in, even though it was

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Speaker 1: optioned before the Harvey Weinstein story broke. What can we say,

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Speaker 1: Julianna has impeccable timing and for the first time I

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Speaker 1: So in today's episode, we talked with Julianna about her

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Speaker 1: iconic roles, her new show diet Land, and her own

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Speaker 1: experiences with sexual harassment in Hollywood. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: have to talk about this historic moment we're in. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's changed with this reckoning about sexual harassment, misconduct and

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Speaker 1: And what was interesting to me is when it all

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk more about your current projects and

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Speaker 1: a little bit about e Er and The Good Wife.

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Speaker 1: We're big fans, really big, big, big fans. But we'll

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Speaker 1: do that right after this, and now back to Julie

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Speaker 1: Anna Margali's Julianna. The one person who seems to have

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Speaker 1: escaped accountability for his actions toward women is the president

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Speaker 1: United States. At least sixteen women have accused Donald Trump

433
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Speaker 1: of inappropriate behavior, from harassment to assault. So what message

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Speaker 1: does that send to men and women everywhere the wrong message.

435
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's also grotesque. It's hard to even start.

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Speaker 1: Where do you start? Um, I'll tell you this. When

437
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Speaker 1: you're on a set, the mood and the feeling on

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Speaker 1: the set is all created by number one on the

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Speaker 1: call sheet. Whoever's that number one on the call sheet

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Speaker 1: is how the set is run. So if that person

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Speaker 1: is kind and generous and caring and wants to make

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Speaker 1: sure everyone is doing okay, it's a happy set. When

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Speaker 1: that person is a actor who's brooding or has a

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Speaker 1: drinking problem or whatever it is, and is miserable, it's

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Speaker 1: a miserable set. And I think that that's what's happened

446
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Speaker 1: to our government. The White House is a miserable set. Yeah, well,

447
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it's obvious. And this isn't a right

448
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: or left um thing. This is fact um. It is toxic.

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00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: It's a toxic environment. And what's making it the most,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a man who rates people. When

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Speaker 1: he was running for president, he said Heidi Klum wasn't

452
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Speaker 1: a ten who who rates people. It blows my mind

453
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Speaker 1: where we are in the gutter. Um, it's it's cross,

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Speaker 1: it's low, it's disgusting and um, you know, I always

455
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Speaker 1: go back to O. J. Simpson. He was not found guilty,

456
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Speaker 1: but where did he end up in jail? That's where

457
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Speaker 1: he spent the better part of the last on the ears.

458
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Speaker 1: Why Because in the end, you are who you are.

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Speaker 1: And I do feel like the only sort of bright

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Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel here is no

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Speaker 1: one gets away with it. Uh, it just can't. It

462
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Speaker 1: can't happen. And I think this verdict with Cosby that

463
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Speaker 1: just happened a couple of weeks ago, that's the tippings

464
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Speaker 1: of the scales right there. And I think that women

465
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Speaker 1: are finally being heard. And I'm hoping to God that uh,

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Speaker 1: this just stops and he gets put away. He's he's um,

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Speaker 1: he's crazy and and he's a misogynist and he's a racist,

468
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Speaker 1: and I can't believe he's in the White House. That's

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Speaker 1: how I feel. Brian, did that answer your question and

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Speaker 1: answered my question? You know, Katie and I were struck

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Speaker 1: by one other thing you said, which is there are

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Speaker 1: plenty of horrible women out there in the context of

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Speaker 1: all of this. What do you mean by that? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think men are geting this wrap for

475
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Speaker 1: being for abusing power. But then look at look at

476
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Speaker 1: Betsy Devoce, look at Rebecca Mercer, look at these women there,

477
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: they all are in power and they're abusing it and

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Speaker 1: using it. So my point was just to say to

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Speaker 1: not be so quick to jump on women are great,

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Speaker 1: men are awful, to say, no, there's there's responsible, wonderful people, um,

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Speaker 1: and there's awful people who abuse power. So I just

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Speaker 1: I just was trying to make a point that it's

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Speaker 1: not just men who abuse power, but it's women also.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people have said the way to

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Speaker 1: solve this, or at least a partial solution, is to

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Speaker 1: put more women in leadership positions, to equal the playing field,

487
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Speaker 1: to open more doors. And what just happened in Pennsylvania

488
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Speaker 1: was spectacular. Yes, look, I have a great line in

489
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Speaker 1: my show in the in the third episode of diet

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Speaker 1: Land where my character says men would rather destroy the

491
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Speaker 1: world than let women rule it. And there is a

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Speaker 1: tremendous truth to that if you look at the last election.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is women are nurturing by nature, were nurturers,

494
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Speaker 1: and we can multitask, right, that's what we do. Um,

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Speaker 1: whether you have kids or not, we are just better

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Speaker 1: at it. It doesn't I'm not pitting anyone against each other.

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Speaker 1: It's just nature. Um. And I think that women were

498
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: just much more empathetic to the human condition because we

499
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: suffer a lot more. And when I say that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so barbaric that thirteen white men were in charge

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Speaker 1: of women's health. Um. It's an affront to every woman

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Speaker 1: on this planet. Um that these men who have never

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Speaker 1: had a period, cramp, or a hot flash, or a

504
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Speaker 1: pregnancy or any of the things that we women go

505
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Speaker 1: through in our daily lives, that they are in charge

506
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Speaker 1: of our bodies. This Me Too movement, it should also

507
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Speaker 1: be hand in hand with the I'm labeling it here

508
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Speaker 1: the fed up movement. We are fed up. I don't

509
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Speaker 1: want someone to tell me what I can or can't

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Speaker 1: do with my body. I don't want anyone to take

511
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Speaker 1: away my rights as a woman. I want equal pay.

512
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm better than I'm saying I'm equal

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Speaker 1: to and that's all. That's what it should be. And

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Speaker 1: in that way, Katie, to get around back to your question,

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Speaker 1: that was a very long that's a way around. But

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Speaker 1: I was only saying that about women because in terms

517
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Speaker 1: of there's bad women out there to who abuse power,

518
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Speaker 1: because there are, but there's great women out there, and

519
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: there's women out there who have really, as I say,

520
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: do it all backwards and in high heels, just like

521
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: Ginger Rogers, and that makes them pretty dynamic, um and capable.

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Speaker 1: Are you optimistic? I mean if you had to wave

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Speaker 1: a magic wand and come up with concrete solutions to

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Speaker 1: make things better, not only for women in Hollywood, but

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Speaker 1: just women in all industries. Have you thought about that,

526
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Speaker 1: some of the concrete steps that could be taken. Yeah,

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00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: so I have. And I know there are days that

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Speaker 1: feel really defeatist. You know, it's hard to pick up.

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Speaker 1: I used to read the New York Times every morning.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, because it ruins my day.

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Speaker 1: But I heard Oprah talking um and she said, I

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Speaker 1: choose not to give negativity any power because it's so

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Speaker 1: toxic and it doesn't do any good. And I've really

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Speaker 1: since I heard her say that, I've been trying to

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Speaker 1: live that way, and so yes, I do feel hopeful.

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Speaker 1: As you said, before the pendulum swings, even Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: said that, right, he said, well, he was trying to

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Speaker 1: calm us all down, and he said, listen, pendulum swing

539
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: at zigs and its eggs. And I think we all

540
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: need to be mindful of that, and we need to

541
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Speaker 1: be careful not to just attack Trump or his supporters.

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00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, as a New Yorker truly, I actually feel

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Speaker 1: I feel kind of bad for some of his supporters

544
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: because we all know as New Yorkers he's a con man.

545
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: Like we know that it was. He's a joke in

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Speaker 1: this city. He always has been. Even when I was

547
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: a waitress, I knew that we'd all roll our eyes.

548
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Oh here, here I come. You know. He but his

549
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: supporters are buying it all and they haven't grown up

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00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: with him the way we have, you know. And I

551
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: and so I almost feel I don't. I don't want

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00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: to pit them against us. I want us all to

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00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: be together in the same It's not a Kumbaya moment.

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00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not trying to be a crunchy granola.

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00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, guys, we all live on the

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Speaker 1: same planet and breathe the same air. So let's get

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Speaker 1: on the same page. And it's good to have a

558
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: right and the left. It's good to keep things right.

559
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: We need to checks and balances. But dear God, this

560
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: has gone on too long. I want to move on

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00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: to please different topic because we could about we talk

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Speaker 1: about hair or something. Yeah, yeah, well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about diets in a minute. You mentioned your

564
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Speaker 1: dad a couple of times, and I read a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your upbringing, um, and about your parents. Can

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Speaker 1: you tell us about them and growing up in three

567
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Speaker 1: different countries which I didn't know about you, So, I

568
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: says why I became an actress because I was always

569
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Speaker 1: trying to be like that person in that country, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it's easier just to put on some trying to

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Speaker 1: blend in. Yeah, yeah, um, so you want me to

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00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: talk about that? Sorry? What about your parents and sort

573
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: of about growing up in your childhood? Because I didn't

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Speaker 1: know about this either, I know, and we've known each

575
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: other so long, I know. Um, so I come from

576
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: so My father, Paul Margulis, was a copywriter in advertising,

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Speaker 1: and he met my mother when she was in the

578
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Speaker 1: original production of My Fair Lady. She was my mother

579
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Speaker 1: was a ballerina with a BT and then went on

580
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Speaker 1: to do Broadway and they met on a blind date

581
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: and they've sort of had a very quick shotgun wedding. Um.

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Speaker 1: And they moved to Israel, where my sister was born. UM.

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Speaker 1: And then they came back here and had my my

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Speaker 1: middle sister here in New York City. And then I

585
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: was born in Spring Valley, New York. And shortly after

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Speaker 1: I was born, they divorced. I'm not going to go

587
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Speaker 1: into the whole thing. I'm just giving you sort of

588
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: that when they divorced, well, they separated when I was

589
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Speaker 1: before I was a year old, and my father went

590
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Speaker 1: and took a job to open a new to open

591
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Speaker 1: an advertising agency for Wells rich Green in Paris, and

592
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: my mother said, hey, let's keep the kids and the

593
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Speaker 1: family close enough. So of course you wanted moved. Who

594
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: doesn't want to move to Paris? So we lived in Paris.

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Speaker 1: My dad lived on the right bank and we lived

596
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Speaker 1: on the left bank. So exotic. It sounds exotic, doesn't it.

597
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I wish you know. The backdrop to it was my mother.

598
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: My mother was a tremendous beauty and she you know,

599
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Speaker 1: she came out of uh this conformed way you're supposed

600
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Speaker 1: to be as a woman and found herself. So there

601
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: were a lot of boyfriends, There was a lot of Jeanjean,

602
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: Jean Jacques, Sean Claude. They were. I mean, there's some

603
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: great stories. Um I have um waking up in our

604
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Speaker 1: apartment in Paris and all our furniture is gone because

605
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: she went home with the Harry Krishna guy, and um,

606
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: they thought the furniture should be somewhere else. Um, but

607
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: there there. It was a crazy um bohemian childhood. And

608
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: did you always know you wanted to be an actress? No?

609
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I actually truly thought I should be a lawyer, really

610
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Speaker 1: like Alicia. Yeah. You know, Um, my grandmother, my paternal grandmother,

611
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: was this this suffragette, and I grew up with that

612
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: kind of identity. I thought I'm gonna be like her.

613
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a lawyer. Um, I wanted to

614
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Speaker 1: do something. She's to used this word prestigious all the time,

615
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: even when I was a CoA check girl. She's like,

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Speaker 1: it's a prestigious venue, Like if everything had to be

617
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: prestigious anyways, So funny, I thought I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: a lawyer like grandma Henrietta. And I got to college

619
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Speaker 1: and realized I hate reading contracts. I hate reading the

620
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: fine print. There's nothing about it that interested me. Except justice.

621
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Speaker 1: But you you went to Sarah Lawrence and you majored

622
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Speaker 1: in art history, well, art history and English, um, but

623
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Speaker 1: really at Sarah Lawrence, who had thirds. Uh, you've got

624
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: a Bachelor of Arts degree. So I had such a

625
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: heavy academic schedule when I got there, I thought one

626
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: of my third should be theater because I grew up

627
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: so one of the things both my parents agreed on

628
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: was we never had a television in the house. So

629
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Speaker 1: I grew up. We grew up writing plays. You know.

630
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: Our our after dinner entertainment was charades or putting on

631
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Speaker 1: a play or do maybe reading or or reading. Absolutely reading,

632
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was essential, but but we were always

633
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Speaker 1: acting for to entertain ourselves. So I took an acting

634
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Speaker 1: third at Sarah Lawrence and my I got cast in

635
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Speaker 1: a play my freshman year, and I just remember that

636
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Speaker 1: feeling because I had traveled so much and never have

637
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Speaker 1: sort of had a permanent home. My first night on stage,

638
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I just remember thinking the lights went up, and I

639
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean I could I tear up when I think

640
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: about it, but I just felt like I was home.

641
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: That feeling, that calling. Yeah, So that's that's when I realized,

642
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna see if this works, but

643
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: I can always fall back Earlier in your career, though,

644
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: I know that you had trouble being cast in roles

645
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: because you're so beautiful, but your looks are are unconventional,

646
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: or were at the time, right, I mean, I I

647
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: don't think they are. I mean, and I think that

648
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: certainly there's such a diversity of what we think of

649
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: as beautiful now I think it's it's widened so much.

650
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: But you know, I remember watching you as Carol Hathaway,

651
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: and you were my favorite character on e Er. But

652
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: I also loved the fact that you were so cool

653
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: looking and no not really, and I loved sort of

654
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: your dark eyebrows and your wavy, you know, curly there

655
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: at the time, and you just didn't look like the

656
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: typical ingenue on television. How how difficult was that early

657
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: in your career And not that difficult obviously, you know,

658
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: but it was, I mean, it was. It was so

659
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: odd to me because I was told by casting directors,

660
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, listen, you're never gonna do television. Uh, you're

661
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: just what are you? And I actually got cast in

662
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: two different McDonald's commercials as the girl who stood in

663
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: between the African American and the blonde because they didn't

664
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: know if I was. I was asked all the time,

665
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: are you part Black? Are you Latino? Are you Greek?

666
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm Jewish. I'm just a Jewish girl.

667
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: I yess, I don't know, but I was glad I

668
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: was told to go to Europe that I was told

669
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: I'd have a better chance UM in Europe UM And

670
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: then you know, thank god, my character tested high because

671
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: of the way the director on ther shot the pilot

672
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: was that John Wills, that the director was the producer,

673
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: the director was Rod Holcombe, and the way he shot

674
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: Carol Hathaway coming in with an overdose UM and pronounced

675
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: dead through George Clooney's eyes. Apparently in test screenings the

676
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: audience went nuts because they cared for George so much

677
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: George's character Doug Ross that suddenly my character got elevated.

678
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: And because of the way Rod shot that, Steven Spielberg

679
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: apparently said we can't kill her off. And I got

680
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: a permanent gig. That's how you showed up on that show.

681
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: I forgot that, yeah, because I die. I actually was

682
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: only hired as a guest star there, Like you got

683
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: this part, but you die in the pilot. And I said,

684
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm not an l A girl. I'll go

685
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: back to New York. And then I got back to

686
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: New York. And thank god George, I mean, I owe

687
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: him a lot because he left a message on my

688
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: I was about to take another job. He left a

689
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: message on my machine, remember when we used to have answer,

690
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, uh, just heard through the grapevine

691
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: your character tested well. I don't know if it's a

692
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: real thing or not, but don't take another job if

693
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: you can. And I thought, oh my god, you know

694
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: and then how long were you on that show? On

695
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: your six years? Six years? Yeah? Well, and the way

696
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: you left that show raised a lot of eyebrows because

697
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: as I remember it, you were offered something like twenty

698
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 1: seven million dollars plus a big chunk of change back

699
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: in the day. And still isn't no, no, no, of course,

700
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: but I think you know, you hear these crazy, crazy

701
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: figures now. But I mean when you think about that

702
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: was in what nineteen, that was two thousand, two thousand,

703
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: that was two thousand, yeah, And I read it was

704
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: a question that your dad asked that motivated you to

705
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: to move On at that time. Yeah, he was instrumental

706
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: in helping me. I knew, listen, I had a year

707
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: of work lined up, My contract was up, and I

708
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: had told Robbie Bates, John Robbie Bates, that he had

709
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: given me this manuscript of a new play he had

710
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: written with me in mind. And I was such a

711
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: huge fan. I had done one of his plays, Substance

712
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 1: of Fire, regionally and at the Oslo Theater in Florida,

713
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: and um, he said, I wrote this with you in mind.

714
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: Would you want to do it? And I said when?

715
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: And he said next year. I said, oh my god,

716
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: my contract is up then, and I had this play

717
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: to go to and I had this um mini series,

718
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: The Miss of Avalon, that Julia Dell was directing. I mean,

719
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was thinking I was going to

720
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: be some big movie star. I was going off to

721
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: do off Broadway for two hundred and fifty dollars a week.

722
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: But I was thirty two and I had money in

723
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: the bank, and I was just at that place in

724
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: my life where I thought, isn't this what we've I've

725
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: dreamed of? And everyone said I was crazy? I am

726
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: and everyone um, And I called my Dad, and I said,

727
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. I want to go home.

728
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: I was also really homesick for New York. Um, and

729
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: he said, when is enough enough? And if you got

730
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: hit by a bus tomorrow and you were waiting for

731
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: two years of your life to go by to get rich,

732
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: what would your last thought be that you wasted that

733
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: time on this earth living your life? And that changed

734
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: a lot for me, and I thought, yeah, I don't

735
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: want to regret. I want to move forward. So I

736
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: didn't know there would be so much backlash because I

737
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it was anyone's business. Um. I'm just

738
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: grateful there wasn't social media then the way it is now,

739
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: because I'm sure. But I got a lot of backlash

740
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: for that, But you know what its shaped to who

741
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: I've become, And it was one of the best things

742
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I could have ever spoken about. I did the two

743
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: thousand ten commencement speech to Sarah Lawrence and for the

744
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: first time publicly, I spoke about it, and I spoke

745
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: about it because my life turned out pretty great because

746
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: of that decision. You know, I came back to New York.

747
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: I had three years to just breathe and do all

748
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: these things I had been wanting to do, and I

749
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: met the love of my life, and I got married

750
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: and I had a baby, and then I got this

751
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: show called The Good One. I mean, come on, I

752
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: can't you know? So I wanted to impress upon those

753
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: students how important your own decision is for yourself, not

754
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: for monetary reasons, and never to never to do it

755
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 1: for someone else's benefit, but to do it for yourself

756
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and stay true to who you are. That's a good message.

757
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I know you want to ask about The Good Wife, Ryan,

758
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: go ahead, I do. I'm a big Good Wife fan.

759
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: And for the record, than ask away. It lasted seven seasons.

760
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: It was a huge critical and commercial success. Um. Do

761
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: you think there was a message in that show? I mean,

762
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: it seems very appropriate to this particular moment, because it

763
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: was inspired by, you know, a powerful man behaving badly

764
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: in that case giving we called it. Yeah, But I mean,

765
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: is there anything you wanted those of us who were

766
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: big fans the show to to take away from the

767
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: show or to learn from the show. Um. I loved

768
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: playing Alicia Floriic. I miss her lines, I miss talking

769
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: like her. And one of the things I just think

770
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: Robert and Michelle King did such a a brilliant job portraying,

771
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: um this woman. Um, I'll tell you what I got

772
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: to take away from it rather than what I was hoping,

773
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: because it was better than what I could have hoped for,

774
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: which is since I've been freed, because I really didn't

775
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: have a life for seven years. You know, it was

776
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: ten months out of the year of just NonStop. And

777
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: so these past couple of years I've been able to

778
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: take the subways and walk on the streets and drop

779
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: off my dry clean, be a normal person and travel

780
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: and I cannot tell you how many young women it

781
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: just warms my heart told me they are in law

782
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: school because of Alicia Floric and that they want to

783
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: change the world. And that makes me so happy to

784
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: know that if I know, I couldn't read the Fine Friend,

785
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: so I couldn't change the world. But maybe I helped

786
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: in my little actor way by inspiring the brains that

787
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: can and these women that have gone to law school

788
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: and that do want to change the world and help

789
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: other people. So for me, I feel like what people

790
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: walked away with was a complicated, accomplished, flawed woman. It's

791
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: okay to be a flawed woman. That's who we are.

792
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: It makes us interesting. But that first and foremost she

793
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: was trying to find justice in the world and yet

794
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: always constantly questioning herself. And that's what we should always do,

795
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: right I think we should always be questioning our motives

796
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: and our our true selves. And I feel like she

797
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: did that. Let's take a trip down memory lane because

798
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: we have a clip of Alicia uh from season six

799
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: of The Good Wife when she finds out spoiler alert

800
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: everyone that her husband has cheated on her yet again.

801
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: Let's listen. I'm not sleeping with her now, I was

802
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: pregnant like Grace. Are you sleeping with her? And then Aelicia,

803
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: listen to me. I will do nothing to embarrass you.

804
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: These weren't taken by me. You think I give a

805
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: crap enough to follow you. They were taken by another campaign.

806
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: They're going to use this against me and you, and

807
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: I won't stand beside you, not again, keep not in

808
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: a million years. So don't listen to me. Keep blind me.

809
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't care, but do listen to your political instincts.

810
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: You want to be re elected, you want me to

811
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: be elected, then zip up your pants, shut your mouth,

812
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: and stop banging The health that's right right on my

813
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: my standing for all those years. L her name is Alice.

814
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: She's awesome. She for Christmas that year had that and

815
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: had that embroidered on a blanket. Zip up your pants,

816
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Shut shut your mouth is something the health and I

817
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: use it to cuddle myself with sometimes. Yeah, so funny. Well,

818
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: you know now you have a new show after saying bye, Alicia,

819
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: you have a new show called diet Land on AMC

820
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: which is so interesting and so original and I'm curious.

821
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: You must have had a million off first, Julianna, what

822
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: was it about this show that made you think, Okay,

823
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm diving into this one. Um, there were many factors.

824
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: So I needed to take a year off because I

825
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: was mentally and physically just exhausted, and I wanted to

826
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: be there for my family for change. And by the way, listeners,

827
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: Julianna has the cutest family. Her husband is so cute

828
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: and wonderful, Keith Librethal, So I mean, honestly, he's great.

829
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: And and she has a ten year old son named

830
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: Karen No and and Katie, Katie and and Keith and

831
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: I and John. We we all have dinner together. So

832
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: she's speaking truth. Um, she she knows my smarty husband

833
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: who could read the fine print. Thank god, could be

834
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: a lawyer. Um, yes, wait, what was the question, Daitland?

835
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: Why did I do it? So? I took about a

836
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: year off and this fell in my lap. And Um,

837
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm from network television. We do twenty

838
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: two episodes a year. I was lucky if I got

839
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: a an episode twenty four hours ahead of shooting it.

840
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes there were days that I would get an episode

841
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: while being in court and the new episode was starting

842
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: the next day, and and I would get it twelve

843
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: hours before shooting while I was still working. So Marty

844
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: knox In sent me five written episodes of this show,

845
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: which was for me just surreal. Wait is this TV? What?

846
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: And there was only ten going to be ten episodes?

847
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: And I had vowed I would never do twenty two

848
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: again because you just I know, women there we can

849
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: do it all. We can't. That's just not true. Although

850
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: you were kind of proud of the fact that you

851
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: did as many episodes. I remember at the Emmy's you

852
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: were you were kind of well. I was proud of

853
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: the fact that I was still standing right, But I

854
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good way to live your life. No,

855
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: but I think at the time you sort of in

856
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: some way before it as a batch of honor a

857
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, I was proud of the writers, but

858
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: truly this belongs to Robert and Michelle King, all our

859
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: writers who never ceased to amaze me with twenty two

860
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: episodes a year that particular Emmy's that year. UM, none

861
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: of our writers got nominated, and it was all Cable.

862
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: I was like, what, six episodes is a mini series.

863
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: Let's get real, this is not. But these guys were

864
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: in the writer's room. They only had a three week

865
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: hiatus all year long, three weeks in June. That was it.

866
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: They were under the gun all the time. And so

867
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: I said that to them. I was so blown away

868
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: that they could keep coming up with this material twenty

869
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: two episodes a year. So I was trying to make

870
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: a point for their sake, not so much to my sake.

871
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: But yes, UM, the landscape has just shifted so much

872
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: with streaming and and with cable. But that's okay because

873
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: now I'm benefiting from it. UM. And I vowed that

874
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: I would only do UM a series that was ten

875
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: to thirteen episodes long. So this this show showed up

876
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: and I looked at the character and I've never been

877
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: offered the you know, the shrew the well. She was

878
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: also a bit of comic relief and just delicious lines.

879
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Kitty Montgomery, who I play on diet Land,

880
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: is this um um magazine editor and she gets the

881
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: best lines and the best clothes in the in the show.

882
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: I have to say, it's a luxury interrupt. We have

883
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: a great clip. Okay, let's listen. I never talked about

884
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: this around here, but menopause Perry in my case, you know, me,

885
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: always have to be first. Certainly I had this middle.

886
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: My chef had to cut absolutely everything white out of

887
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: my menu. You can do things for the face, the body,

888
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: even the hands, but the waist you have to attack

889
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: around here. You start looking like some addy's grandmother. You're out.

890
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart can get away with it. She sells hot

891
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: glue guns, but tastemakers, no mark my word. It won't

892
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: happen to me. I will not be left behind. Kitty

893
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: is a high powered, narcissistic yet insecure editor of a

894
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: magazine for teen girls. So you're in good hands, ladies.

895
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: Um So, I mean she must be delicious to play.

896
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: But God, she's so awful. She's so awful in the

897
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: best way. She is delicious to play. That's the word

898
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: that's interesting, because that's the word I've been using a

899
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: lot talking about her. Um. She is so narcissistic and

900
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: she has no moral center. She just wants to win

901
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: um whatever it takes, and she she has no idea

902
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: how awful she is. She actually genuinely thinks that she's

903
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: really empathetic and sympathetic to other people's causes, and she

904
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: just she steamrolls over everyone and leaves this horrible debris

905
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: in her wake without any awareness of it. But at

906
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: the center of the series is a woman who I

907
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: think so many women watching, no matter what their size,

908
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: can relate to, full of self loathing, really at her

909
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: wits end when it comes to dieting um and And

910
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was watching it with a colleague of

911
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: mine and I said, it doesn't really matter who you are,

912
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: women can relate to this character. And she is. I

913
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: think you said, a revelation is joy Nash is a

914
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: revelation And I keep telling her, I keep telling her

915
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: She's going to be a role model for so many people.

916
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: So she is the woman who's providing the copy for

917
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: your character. She advice column. Right. So, I'm the editor

918
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: of this teen young woman's magazine and it's I've taken

919
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: it from zero to a hundred. It's now the number

920
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: one magazine in the country. And I hire uh. I

921
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: hire Plumb Kettle, who is a fat girl. And and

922
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: if Joy was here, she would say say the word fat. Um.

923
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: She has taught me a lot. She's she's obese, and

924
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: I hire her. She's brilliant, and she's a writer. And

925
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: she I hied her to answer the letters because in

926
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Kitty's mind, how would Kitty be able to answer these letters?

927
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: Because Kitty is perfect, but Plum is not perfect. She's

928
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: incredibly imperfect in Kitty's eyes. And so I hire her

929
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: in her own eyes and in her own eyes. But

930
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: what what I love about the character of that Joy

931
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: Nash plays of Plumb Kettle in the pilot. She says, um,

932
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy when I'm a size six,

933
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: And she's saving up to do uh the bypass surgery

934
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: so that she can finally be start her life. I

935
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: will start my life when I can fit into this dress.

936
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: And she actually starts ordering dresses online that are a

937
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: size six, and she takes them out of the box

938
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: and she hangs them in her claw. Is it um? Now?

939
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: She is playing a three pound woman. And it's a

940
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: beautiful message, which is she ends up meeting people who say, wait,

941
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: why don't why are you waiting to start your life?

942
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: Why don't you start your life now? She she meets

943
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: all these people, and it's it's very complicated and and

944
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: and there's a big backdrop of a vigilante movement going on.

945
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: And but but what what fascinates me about the character

946
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: of Plum is that it doesn't matter whether your size

947
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: too or a size twenty. I think all of us

948
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: do it. I think we all say, oh, if I

949
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: just once I meet the right guy, then I'll be

950
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: happy once I um, or if I just had my

951
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: eyes done, or if I just yeah, all of that

952
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: stuff once I do, if I do yoga every single day,

953
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: then I'll be happy. If I get the right job,

954
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: then I'll be happy. Instead of being present in the

955
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: moment and saying, wait a minute, I should be present

956
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: in my life now. That is what's going to change

957
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: who I need to be for the better, not when

958
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: I get there. Then I'll be better. Um. And it's

959
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: being present instead of constantly wishing your life away to

960
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: get to the place you think you're supposed to get to,

961
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: and then then what Then it'll just be the next thing.

962
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: It's very original. It has animation in it. It does

963
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: have this crazy violent backdrop, you know, Um, that's the

964
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: fed up moment. And I think it's really I think,

965
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: very original. It's alway to describe it. And but are

966
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: you worried in the current landscape with so many things

967
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: to watch? You know, do you worry? Gosh? Will this

968
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: get attention? Will it breakthrough? I don't. I mean, here's

969
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing. It's it's not my ship. I'm just

970
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: along for the ride. UM. It's not that I don't

971
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: want it to succeed. Um, whether I was the lead

972
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: of it or not. UM, I feel like this show,

973
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: we all had such a great experience making it, and

974
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: the dialogue just talking about it has been so inspirational

975
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: to me as a as an actor and as a woman,

976
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: and um, as someone who now views the world differently,

977
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: just from being able to have been on a set

978
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: with these words and with Joy Nash and Marty knoxon UM,

979
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: I see things a little differently now I'm not as judgmental,

980
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: so I got what I need from it personally, just

981
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: from the experience of doing it. I hope for Marty

982
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: and Joy's sake that it's a huge smash because I

983
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: want everyone to see it, because I think it hits

984
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: on really heavy subject matter, but it's satire and it's

985
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: funny and sad and breathtaking. And Marty said one of

986
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: her friends saw it and he he said, this is

987
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: like Devil Wears Pradam meets the Fight Club. You know,

988
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: it's sort of this mix of It's the backdrop of

989
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: a vigilante movement that have just had enough of men

990
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: accused of rape and horrific sexual abuse. Nothing has happened

991
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: to them, they have not been convicted, and women saying

992
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: I've had enough, and they start killing them. They start flying,

993
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: falling out of the sky, sometimes in the middle of

994
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: Madison Avenue, sometimes off a freeway. It doesn't matter. I'm

995
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: don't condone violence at all, um, but there's a group

996
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: of women who have had enough. But it also teaches

997
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: you to walk in someone else's shoes. And I think

998
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: in today's climate where we're at with everything, I think

999
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: we all need to walk in someone else's shoes for

1000
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: a minute. We need to walk in the shoes of refugees,

1001
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: we need to walk in the shoes of people of color,

1002
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: we need to walk in the shoes of women. And

1003
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I think this show touches on a lot of things

1004
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: that people will relate to in terms of humanity. I

1005
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: just love talking to you, obviously. I'm so happy that

1006
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: our listeners got to spend some time with you today

1007
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: because I think you're so thoughtful, so independent, and such

1008
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: a good person to be all cheesy and weird, No,

1009
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: I really and the four of us are having dinner

1010
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: this week Thursday, so this is not this is not

1011
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: come if you're in New York frying, of course you'd

1012
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: be invited at our table. But but I wish you

1013
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: all the best with this new show and just with

1014
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: your life in general, because I can't think of anyone

1015
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: more deserving. And thank you so much for coming on

1016
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: and talking to us. It's nice to this this kind

1017
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: of venue because you know, you don't have to give

1018
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds sound bites and you can actually have a

1019
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: really nice, in depth conversation. So thank you. I listened

1020
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: to all your this is how I get around New

1021
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: York City. I walk everywhere because I have time now,

1022
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: and I put on a podcast. There you go, Well,

1023
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: make sure that ours is at the top of your list,

1024
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: and I'm going to send you links for my Matchio

1025
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: show too, so I'm gonna keep you very busy. Okay, good,

1026
00:57:53,240 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: I have time now. Okay, okay, good Katie. So often

1027
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: when you meet a TV star or a public figure,

1028
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: you're disappointed in real life that they're not as good

1029
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: as they were watching them on TV. And I think

1030
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: Julianna is the opposite of that. She is so sharp,

1031
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: so funny, and a really nice person on top of

1032
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: it all. So this was one case where real life

1033
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: was even better than the small screen. Well, I think

1034
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: she felt the same about you, Brian. I think she

1035
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: really enjoyed time a beautiful friend meeting you. But you're right,

1036
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: I've always found her to be very, very thoughtful, interesting,

1037
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of depth, and clearly ridiculously talented.

1038
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't like her as much as I thought. I'm

1039
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: a little jealous now I'm feeling a little jealous. Anyway,

1040
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: She's a she's a wonderful person, so I'm glad you

1041
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed the conversation. We want to say thank you to

1042
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: our team at Stitcher. That's our producer Gianna Palmer, assistant

1043
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: producer Nora Richie, and Jared O'Connell, who mixes and engineers

1044
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: the show does it beautifully. Thank you, Jared. Also to

1045
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: my team at Katie Currek Media, k C M Baby,

1046
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: Alison Bresnick, Bethamas and Emily Beana. Special thanks as well

1047
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: to Ryan Conner for engineering Today in l A. Mark

1048
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: Phillips wrote our theme music. Katie and I are the

1049
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: executive producers of this show for Better or Worse, And

1050
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: if you want to keep up with us between episodes,

1051
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: I tweet from at Goldsmith B and Katie is on

1052
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: social media speaking to her millions of fans. Katie Kurrik

1053
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: pretty much addicted to Instagram, So if you want to

1054
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: know anything about my life, who I'm with, what I'm thinking,

1055
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: what I'm eating, what I'm wearing, just check out my

1056
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: Instagram at gap. Anyway, if you enjoy our show, please

1057
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: make sure you subscribe so you get the episodes as

1058
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