Speaker 1: What's up everyone on Toy Deal And I'm Anissa Ferreira
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official challenge podcast. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: this episode, starting with roll.
Speaker 2: With It, Tory, are you a cowgirl? And we don't
Speaker 2: know it? Can you lasso?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I would have shipped the bet on this.
Speaker 2: I would have pulled a JH the car.
Speaker 4: I would have shit the car. I would have farted
Speaker 4: my way to the other end to like a rocket.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding, But you know what this challenge really
Speaker 4: reminded me of. Have you ever watched like Nickelodeon, like
Speaker 4: when you were Nick Junior when the kids would run
Speaker 4: down the aisles and the game was to put as
Speaker 4: much in the shopping cart as you can get. And
Speaker 4: then that's what this reminded me of.
Speaker 1: Like it looked so fun, I mean yeah, and then
Speaker 1: also irritating and frustrating, like Jay ended up pushing himself
Speaker 1: to the end. He said, well, if I can't lasso,
Speaker 1: he went right by Ace, who was like, I've got
Speaker 1: this in the bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ace was like smooth mooten shooting cowboy shooting, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: lassoing his life away and then Jay just rolls on
Speaker 4: by yeah, but this is perfect for Jay because you
Speaker 4: know who wants to go in and get their star
Speaker 4: he does, Jay does Ja, yes, and Laurel's safe for
Speaker 4: the women, but it's not a girl's day. So and
Speaker 4: like Laurel said, this was one of those games to
Speaker 4: her that seemed fun. She excels at that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: She doesn't really freak out, she just enjoys it.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what it should be, Like, I
Speaker 1: think they should all like be that like elevated fun stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was hilarious watching Veronica describe it.
Speaker 2: She was like, also, Lasso, who even lassos?
Speaker 1: Could you imagine Veronica like on a on a Saturday night, like, yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna come out for like drinks or dinner.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna just go Lasso.
Speaker 1: Just just go down corral and just lasso.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in the middle group, Yeah, who is in the
Speaker 1: middle group Adam carr, ar Ace, Leroy.
Speaker 4: And then Avery. Avery was in there too.
Speaker 2: Who are the losers?
Speaker 4: The losers were Leroy, Steve, Ryan, right.
Speaker 1: And somehow even though Ryan wants to go in, finagels
Speaker 1: his way out of it and has so many people
Speaker 1: that have his back. I mean, just hats off to
Speaker 1: making relationships and playing a social game the benefits that
Speaker 1: can have, you know, when you have friends.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm not surprised at all. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, like it was like that Ace relationship, Like
Speaker 4: Ryan pulled an ace out of his back pocket, That's
Speaker 4: really what it was.
Speaker 1: He was like, I have one more card to play, yes,
Speaker 1: and this is it. So Steven Lee ran up getting
Speaker 1: voted in. They get to the elimination. What's it called
Speaker 1: shish kickshkak see I knew shishkastak, not to be confused
Speaker 1: with shshkibab, which I think that that is a play
Speaker 1: off of what they were doing by putting those cylindrical
Speaker 1: objects on skewers.
Speaker 4: Considering that like you, Bob and Water, I feel like
Speaker 4: Shishka Bob could have worked to do but like whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, but they had to stack the colors. Hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: And you have Steve who's already been in twice against Jay, who,
Speaker 1: as he said, was like considerably younger a firefighter, but
Speaker 1: also colorblind and has has a nose issue.
Speaker 4: Can we just remind because like I did not think
Speaker 4: Jay was going to go.
Speaker 1: In for a minute, I didn't think until he was like,
Speaker 1: I think Jay has a lot of pressure too, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that he quit that one thing, Like what
Speaker 1: would he look like if he didn't keep his word too?
Speaker 1: I don't think he wanted to go like say, there's
Speaker 1: not another men's elimination and this is it and he
Speaker 1: doesn't go When he doesn't get his chance, you have
Speaker 1: to live with two things. One you fucked up your
Speaker 1: chance and two people are gonna be.
Speaker 2: Like you're a coward. Still, Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that Jay is in a really different place
Speaker 1: in his life and he's worked for years to get
Speaker 1: rid of that image. And I think that he's been
Speaker 1: doing really well on the season and it speaks volumes
Speaker 1: to who he is when he's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: even though this might not be in you know, my wheelhouse,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna do it just so I am a
Speaker 1: man of my word, just so I can keep my integrity.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think that was that was a big move
Speaker 4: for him in terms of his challenge career, Like, I
Speaker 4: think he needed that in order to kind of get
Speaker 4: that respect back, and I think that he earned it
Speaker 4: even TJ said it, you know obviously right before he left.
Speaker 4: But I mean, watching them compete in the elimination, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie. I had my money on Steve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve was in there doing his thing Aquaman style.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is obviously his third elimination, so I
Speaker 4: think that he's got a sense of calmness. This is
Speaker 4: Jay's first elimination ever. Yeah, I mean, there's just a
Speaker 4: lot of pressure. There's a lot of pressure on him.
Speaker 1: I'm just mad that they didn't put like drinks or
Speaker 1: something in there, just to like, if.
Speaker 2: They knew Jay was gonna do it, then.
Speaker 4: Imagine Jay walks up, it's actually you.
Speaker 1: Have to drink the entire pool and it's made out
Speaker 1: of fish guts and water or yikes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know what, at least he didn't have
Speaker 4: to face that again. But it was still a bummer
Speaker 4: that he faced something that defeated him because obviously Jay
Speaker 4: ends up going home and we are very as TJ
Speaker 4: would say, dangerously.
Speaker 2: Close to the final so for moments away.
Speaker 4: Moments away, But I I can't lie. It was interesting
Speaker 4: to see the way Steve went about stealing the star.
Speaker 4: What did you Setty.
Speaker 1: Petty, Steve, Petty Petty Aquaman said, yeah, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: thy star that I want it.
Speaker 2: Well, wait, he gets a star and he steals a star, right.
Speaker 4: He's stolen two stars now.
Speaker 1: Sheesh cobab Yeah. So he then gives the star to
Speaker 1: Ace from taking it from Adam, Like, there you go, Adam.
Speaker 4: Ace also voted for.
Speaker 1: Steve, right, and the other thing is Jay could have
Speaker 1: taken Steve's place, like it, Who are you really mad at?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, honestly, I think at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, if you go into an elimination and you
Speaker 4: win the elimination, and I mean that's what you get
Speaker 4: for winning, You're you're entitled to do however you please.
Speaker 4: I think I was most shocked by the reaction that
Speaker 4: Adam had. I he was. I mean, we've had him on.
Speaker 2: The podcast and the sweetest thing I've ever wanted.
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do was get a hug from
Speaker 1: him in the morning and be sent off to school.
Speaker 1: And he literally he literally turned for a second, which
Speaker 1: I thought was awesome to see that, Like there's a
Speaker 1: little spice in there. There's competitive Adam who he talked
Speaker 1: about it like kind of no nonsense.
Speaker 4: Adam the garudge keeper. He is going to hold that
Speaker 4: grudge till the end of time. And I think it's
Speaker 4: safe to say that the men on the men's side,
Speaker 4: they finally produced a good, solid episode because the women
Speaker 4: have been absolutely dominating this season, so it's it's been
Speaker 4: a nice refreshing change to see the guys kind of
Speaker 4: go at it for a little bit. In terms of
Speaker 4: who you want to give the All Star two of
Speaker 4: this episode, and he said, who are you leaning towards?
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of want to give it to
Speaker 1: Jay won the challenge, You kept your word, and you
Speaker 1: did your best despite how the odds were stacked.
Speaker 2: Get it, the odds were stacked against you.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give it to him because I think
Speaker 1: that he's felt starless for a while, you know, so
Speaker 1: it's nice to give him the one that he fought.
Speaker 2: For and didn't get.
Speaker 4: I'm I agree with that and just gonna give mine
Speaker 4: to someone else, because you know that's boring to give
Speaker 4: it to the same person. I'm gonna give it to
Speaker 4: Steve because he won a start elimination and that's really
Speaker 4: difficult and he's still in the game and he's created
Speaker 4: some new fresh drama for us. Excited about that and
Speaker 4: seeing how that's gonna unravel. So I think Steve deserves
Speaker 4: the star as well. Who would you give the no
Speaker 4: star to?
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna go to several people, to everyone
Speaker 1: who did not finish that challenge, to people who are
Speaker 1: still in their carts to this day sitting in South Africa,
Speaker 1: you do not get a star.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think that that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I also think that no, yeah, I think it's to everybody.
Speaker 4: I don't really have somebody.
Speaker 1: To give it to, Like, yeah, it was a pretty
Speaker 1: good episode where people really try to put their best
Speaker 1: best lass so forward.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah they did, and a lot of people failed.
Speaker 4: But you know who didn't fail in terms of making
Speaker 4: incredible political plays and saving himself from an elimination. That
Speaker 4: would be Ryan Keyo. And we are so lucky to
Speaker 4: have him on the podcast to come on and talk
Speaker 4: about his sober journey, his amazing experience on this challenge,
Speaker 4: and maybe he'll drop some tea on if he gets
Speaker 4: a star. So stay tuned after this because we have
Speaker 4: an awesome interview coming right up. Okay, enough of that,
Speaker 4: let's get back.
Speaker 2: To the show, all right, folks.
Speaker 1: We are at that part in the podcast where we
Speaker 1: get to interview someone. This man, his original show was
Speaker 1: Fresh Meat and he's been on All Stars two times now.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Ryan Keho.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me in my fifties. Now. I filmed
Speaker 3: that when I was in my forties.
Speaker 2: So what was it like to watch this back?
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of time has passed, so I haven't
Speaker 3: really thought about it and watching it just now, like
Speaker 3: I have that same feeling of like, if I only
Speaker 3: knew what the elimination was going to be, I would
Speaker 3: have jumped right the fucking because even though I had
Speaker 3: an injured shoulder, I knew that Jay was colorblind. I
Speaker 3: knew that he had a septum situation, but there was
Speaker 3: no way to predict it, you know. And I'm thinking
Speaker 3: it's the last male elimination they're going to have, like
Speaker 3: a pole wrestle. I was waiting for like a hall brawl, right. Yes,
Speaker 3: I knew what a beast Jay was, and I know myself,
Speaker 3: I was scared, you know, and I had a possibility
Speaker 3: and I definitely punked out a little bit.
Speaker 4: But I think that definitely speaks to why you decided
Speaker 4: to not go into that elimination because you know, obviously
Speaker 4: you're at a point in the game where you need
Speaker 4: to go in, right. But even before we get into this,
Speaker 4: I do want to because you had mentioned your sober
Speaker 4: journey a little bit. I want to talk about that
Speaker 4: because I mean, Anissa and I when we watched that episode,
Speaker 4: are you talking about how this was a season for
Speaker 4: you of coming on and being sober? We were just
Speaker 4: like so inspired by that. We know how difficult it
Speaker 4: is in a Challenge house. Yeah, to be sober around people.
Speaker 4: Talk to us a little bit about that. What allowed
Speaker 4: you to want to share that on screen? And how
Speaker 4: has it been going since.
Speaker 3: It's been going good two years? In May? Yeah, at
Speaker 3: the time movie film That's it was eight months. So
Speaker 3: I was still kind of like, you know, white knuckling
Speaker 3: a little bit. But I feel great. I feel amazing,
Speaker 3: and honestly like being asked back to do All Stars,
Speaker 3: being cast as like the young, promiscuous party boy, everyone
Speaker 3: make out shots like I was the guy that's like,
Speaker 3: let's fucking put our dicks in each other. I don't
Speaker 3: care who you are, And so what's my role on
Speaker 3: the challenge if I'm not that? So I had a
Speaker 3: little bit of an identity crisis, but I think the
Speaker 3: beautiful thing about All Stars is showing evolution, right, Like
Speaker 3: I did five seasons back in my twenties, and then
Speaker 3: I was not called and at like most people in
Speaker 3: the challenge world, you're kind of like set off into
Speaker 3: the world and you get asked back or you don't,
Speaker 3: and if you don't, you have to figure out your life,
Speaker 3: right not waiting for the phone call and you're not
Speaker 3: waiting for relevance or you know, like approval, you know,
Speaker 3: or like oh mom, I'm doing another show to get
Speaker 3: off my back so that I can finally get my
Speaker 3: shit together in life. So I had fifteen years of
Speaker 3: just pushing things to the limit, like abusing my body,
Speaker 3: having unprotected sex, doing a lot of drugs, like New
Speaker 3: York City, like my dad. So there was that grief
Speaker 3: and who wants to feel the grief? You want to
Speaker 3: keep like numbing. So I was really like nine lives,
Speaker 3: like a fucking osceolat Like, I definitely pushed myself to
Speaker 3: almost the point of no return and many occasions, and
Speaker 3: I think after I did All Stars two, I knew
Speaker 3: that I was an alcoholic and I knew that I
Speaker 3: was going into the house white knuckling it because production
Speaker 3: didn't know Derek, who was my closest person in the house,
Speaker 3: didn't know. The people in my inner circle in New
Speaker 3: York that saw me day to day knew I had
Speaker 3: a problem. There were whispers happening. There was never an
Speaker 3: intervention because I'm way too smart and manipulative to make
Speaker 3: that like a situation that would happen. Wow, it was
Speaker 3: getting to the point where I was so exhausted and
Speaker 3: I did my medical for All Stars two and didn't
Speaker 3: know I was diabetic for years, probably had no fucking idea.
Speaker 3: And had I not done the blood work for All
Speaker 3: Starts too, I wouldn't have known that I was living
Speaker 3: with diabetes for like probably years. And it wasn't just
Speaker 3: the drinking. It was like actually type two at the time.
Speaker 3: Now I'm confirmed on type one, so I've probably had
Speaker 3: it since my twenties. God knows why I'm still here
Speaker 3: and how I'm still here, And now I manage it.
Speaker 3: My blood sugar levels are amazing and I take into
Speaker 3: it and I have a blood sugar monitor. So my
Speaker 3: mortality was presented to me on a platter like you're
Speaker 3: gonna die, kid, Like, do you want to make the
Speaker 3: next half of your life mean something. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: a no brainer. Honestly, it was the hardest thing I ever did.
Speaker 3: But like the rewards have been endless.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's like liver pancreas a diabet. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a fun it's a recipe for does it?
Speaker 1: I mean I can't. Your levels are probably great because
Speaker 1: there's zero booze too, yeah, which totally helps out. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you're still with us and providing entertainment
Speaker 1: and still wearing manliner because fucking pirate, Like, who's Ryan
Speaker 1: without without his liner? But I love the friendship that
Speaker 1: you and Derek have, and I'm sure it's great to
Speaker 1: have like a support system now that you're more open
Speaker 1: with your story. I know that you guys did All
Speaker 1: Stars two together. How excited were you to do four
Speaker 1: with him?
Speaker 3: Well? All Stars too was like not our finest season.
Speaker 3: You know, he was first out, I was second out.
Speaker 3: I quite honestly volunteer to be team captain because I
Speaker 3: knew there was an opportunity for me to get out
Speaker 3: of the game, because I knew I had to go
Speaker 3: home and correct some shit. I want to like expose
Speaker 3: my addiction on national television. I wasn't ready, you know,
Speaker 3: And so I got out of the game on my
Speaker 3: terms by volunteering to be captain on a team that
Speaker 3: I knew was going to lose. Eric had just lost
Speaker 3: his sister, oh yeah, like me, very very close to
Speaker 3: the time that we were filming. So him and I
Speaker 3: like reunited in life at a time where he was
Speaker 3: grieving so hard and I was in so much pain,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know that I was just about to
Speaker 3: like surrender and get help and get over. So we
Speaker 3: were both on the precipice of something devastating but also beautiful.
Speaker 3: And he has been like such a rider die in
Speaker 3: my sobriety. I mean, it's not like he stopped drinking
Speaker 3: because of me. He doesn't have a problem, but like
Speaker 3: he championed for me so hard, Like he organized with
Speaker 3: production to have a fucking cake for me on my
Speaker 3: sober bursary and and a sugar free cake. None the
Speaker 3: leg i'd hear to my diabetes. But you know, like
Speaker 3: I stood for him with the loss of his sister,
Speaker 3: and we just greet together, We laughed together. We hold
Speaker 3: each other accountable. We just I think on these shows,
Speaker 3: especially you see if there's if they happen to like
Speaker 3: cast more than one gay It's like there can only
Speaker 3: be one of us, because that's how gay culture is.
Speaker 3: It's like grow up in a small town, you move
Speaker 3: to a big city, you finally get acceptance, and then
Speaker 3: you tear each other down. That's how gay men are.
Speaker 3: It's like cutthroat, you know, it's like competitive and it's
Speaker 3: jealousy and it's I've seen it on the shows. I
Speaker 3: personally never opted to be like that. Derek and I
Speaker 3: are like minded in the fact that yo, we both
Speaker 3: get to shine. There's a room for both of us
Speaker 3: at the table. Two people can make it to the
Speaker 3: fucking two gay men can make it to a final
Speaker 3: and support each other. Because I was killing it in
Speaker 3: the first half of the season, and then Derek was
Speaker 3: killing it in the second half, and like Cam had Leroy,
Speaker 3: I had fucking Derek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your work life, That's right, dude.
Speaker 4: When he's sitting up when you guys are sitting on
Speaker 4: the lawn and he's like, I'm gonna buy him a
Speaker 4: house and we're gonna have nine cats and we're just
Speaker 4: gonna drink coffee and spilty, I'm like, dude.
Speaker 2: I don't know that's what I want to do.
Speaker 3: Get more for lesbians. I don't like cats.
Speaker 2: Dogs, that's fine, but we can I'm with the dogs.
Speaker 3: We can have a cove all, that's true. I don't
Speaker 3: mind cats.
Speaker 4: I thought it was really sweet though, and it's really yeah,
Speaker 4: lovely to see you guys be together in a show
Speaker 4: for longer than two episodes. And I remember when we
Speaker 4: we had either you or we had Derek on the podcast,
Speaker 4: I can't remember, and then one.
Speaker 3: Of you showed up.
Speaker 4: I think it was, Oh, we had Derek on and
Speaker 4: you were in the background of the part.
Speaker 3: I was like drinking in the background in Phoenix, like I.
Speaker 1: Remember, Yeah, so long ago Agoah.
Speaker 4: It feels like it, and I'm sure All Stars feels
Speaker 4: even longer to you. I mean, like watching it back
Speaker 4: seeing the challenge that had to happen during this episode,
Speaker 4: do you even like remember what it was like to
Speaker 4: be there? Did it take you right back into that
Speaker 4: daily challenge? And what was it like to last out
Speaker 4: with those shopping.
Speaker 3: Carts fucking wonder woman in this bitch. You know what's
Speaker 3: so funny is like I got the first lasso on
Speaker 3: my first throw, and I was the first person to
Speaker 3: pull up and I looked around and everyone was struggling,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I fucking got this. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: kill it. And then I didn't realize that like the
Speaker 3: hill itself, it was like a very small incline, but
Speaker 3: these laundry carts were so sensitive in the wheel department
Speaker 3: that like any slight move you would just roll back.
Speaker 3: But you know, I was going against gravity and also
Speaker 3: against my own ability to fucking last, so like two lassos.
Speaker 2: I know, Ronica said it perfectly. She's like, I've never
Speaker 2: look at me, like, have never had one passo yo
Speaker 2: the ting.
Speaker 3: At one point, like ronic, when I were struggling and
Speaker 3: we were right next to each other, she threw her
Speaker 3: lasso to me and I grabbed it and pulled her
Speaker 3: up to.
Speaker 2: I never thought about that.
Speaker 1: That's brilliant A men's day though, Like why am I
Speaker 1: helping her?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I can't, but this is the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Was there a strategy here?
Speaker 1: Because I know watching it back, like there's a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation in interviews in hindsight, people are like, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be in the bottom. I want to
Speaker 1: be in the thing. There's really no incentive to win
Speaker 1: because Jay's right there, He's already won. He wants to
Speaker 1: go in for sure? You want to go in? Were
Speaker 1: you like, you know what, maybe I'll lose?
Speaker 3: A no, no, because I'm way too competitive. I'm way
Speaker 3: too competitive for that, Like I don't want to go
Speaker 3: out looking like a punk. And quite honestly, I was
Speaker 3: so in my own world and zone that I didn't
Speaker 3: even like. I just kept seeing Kara Maria behind me,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, I am doing better than hers. Therefore,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm good, right, Like I didn't
Speaker 3: pay attention. We were further away from each other, so
Speaker 3: all I saw is Veronica like in the backpack, and
Speaker 3: then Kara like like one thing behind me. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing bad. And I couldn't tell who finished.
Speaker 3: So when I last owed my last three really quickly,
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that I was the last man because
Speaker 3: there were still girls on the right, okay, so sense
Speaker 3: It wasn't until I fell out of my body cart
Speaker 3: with like exhaustion that I realized.
Speaker 1: Not falling out that just exhausted from a hard day
Speaker 1: of lassoing.
Speaker 3: No wonder Woman naps.
Speaker 1: So I want to know this, I mean, watching it
Speaker 1: clearly is way different than being there physically. How were
Speaker 1: the challenges this season, I guess compared to All Stars too,
Speaker 1: compared to the last show you did, How did you
Speaker 1: feel about the challenges this season?
Speaker 3: They were more fun?
Speaker 2: We like fun.
Speaker 3: They were more Yeah, it was like it was more
Speaker 3: how the challenge was like in our day where it
Speaker 3: there are some that are grueling and you like are
Speaker 3: winded and you need like a day to like recoup.
Speaker 3: But like, these were all bad yard games on steroids
Speaker 3: and you get to play and it's fun and it's funny,
Speaker 3: and if you're killing it, then you have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to finish and watch other people struggle, which is always entertaining.
Speaker 3: But I think the camaraderie collectively was more unified and
Speaker 3: less like us versus them, me versus the world. Like
Speaker 3: it felt like you were championing people that weren't even
Speaker 3: necessarily your friends, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we're like forty five year olds, you know, lassoing poles, right,
Speaker 3: laundry cards, Like, we're not that cool, America?
Speaker 2: Are that cool?
Speaker 3: Right? Oh?
Speaker 4: We are?
Speaker 3: We are? We are?
Speaker 4: If you're telling me that the nearest Walmart parking lot
Speaker 4: isn't going to be lined up with family.
Speaker 2: I think you're playing Lasso Kart today.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, try it at home, kids.
Speaker 4: This is gonna help.
Speaker 1: They have to pad up, they have to pad up, pads, helmet, elbow.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, obviously in the beginning of this episode, we
Speaker 4: saw that you have your ride or Die and the
Speaker 4: people that you're working with. But I want to know
Speaker 4: because it gets a little confusing in this episode. Least
Speaker 4: I think for me, we're the fine lines of the
Speaker 4: alliances lie. It seems like a lot of people are
Speaker 4: working with certain people. Like we get to see this
Speaker 4: budding friendship with you and Ace that kind of comes
Speaker 4: up out of the blue, which we yeah, can can
Speaker 4: we get into that a little bit?
Speaker 3: Because Okay, I love him. He is like he is
Speaker 3: a fucking like angel in some ways, but he's also
Speaker 3: like the weirdest person I know. This this literally stems
Speaker 3: back to All Stars one. I was an alternate. It
Speaker 3: thought we were.
Speaker 2: All in that.
Speaker 3: Yes we were. It was the peak of COVID and
Speaker 3: so we had a quarantine in Argentina for ten days
Speaker 3: and I was on the fifth floor of that hotel facility.
Speaker 3: He was on the first floor, so he had a
Speaker 3: window that faced an alley, and like I was like
Speaker 3: laying out naked in my room every day, and you
Speaker 3: would talk to each other because it was ten days.
Speaker 3: It's a long time to be isolated, and you know,
Speaker 3: I got to know the back of his head just
Speaker 3: looking out the window. And he's a hungry, straight guy,
Speaker 3: and I, you know, really drank my calories at that point.
Speaker 3: So he would run out of snacks in the hotel
Speaker 3: room and I would just throw him all of my
Speaker 3: snacks and he would like put his arms out desperately
Speaker 3: on the concrete, like that was his love language. Like
Speaker 3: Ryan's giving me snacks. And I never even saw him
Speaker 3: face to face until we were on All Stars four.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, Like we.
Speaker 3: You know, became friends on social media, but apparently that
Speaker 3: act of kindness went a long way when I was
Speaker 3: some like extraterrestrial like godsend to him and it went
Speaker 3: a long way, I mean, and it was a long way,
Speaker 3: and I love him for it. I mean, it's the
Speaker 3: weirdest move that was made in the game. Probably, Like
Speaker 3: I definitely thought I was going in.
Speaker 1: Wow, I beause I ever eat on my next season
Speaker 1: and I just give my food away.
Speaker 2: This could be a strategy.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and if and if I'm hungry, I expect
Speaker 3: you to nurse me. You know.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's so shocking. So was there like ever Obviously
Speaker 4: we see a little conversation between you and Ace, but like,
Speaker 4: was there ever, Like watching it back, were you kind
Speaker 4: of shocked with how far he was willing to ride
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So I literally that conversation that we had. There's
Speaker 3: a moment Laurel and I get into it in that
Speaker 3: that same day because she is just like her and
Speaker 3: I were close on that season, and she was like
Speaker 3: pulling out, like you need to tell Nicole you're gonna
Speaker 3: steal her star. I'm like, I don't have a star myself.
Speaker 3: How am I going to steal Nicholes. She's trying to
Speaker 3: strategize and make these big moves, and I was like, Laurel,
Speaker 3: you're not paying attention to the rules and I'm not
Speaker 3: that desperate to stay out of elimination if it's my time.
Speaker 3: But she just didn't want me to go home and
Speaker 3: didn't want me against Jay. So she's in the shower,
Speaker 3: I'm taking a shit next to her talking. Ace pops
Speaker 3: his head into the bathroom and he goes, Yo, Ryan,
Speaker 3: remember that promise I made to you a long time ago?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I had to think about it.
Speaker 3: I was like, uh, he goes about having your back
Speaker 3: and I was like, well, yeah, but like the game
Speaker 3: happened and you and Steve were close, I'm not thinking
Speaker 3: that he's still promising that. And he goes, you want
Speaker 3: me to do it? And there was a camera there,
Speaker 3: there was like the whole crew there, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: if you can, but I don't want you to fuck
Speaker 3: over your friend. He goes, no, my word is my word.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, yeah, you got And then
Speaker 3: Laura was like, yo, jump on that shit, like take
Speaker 3: it back man.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was down for you and seemed completely distraught.
Speaker 1: But I think it's kind of interesting that Flora has
Speaker 1: this other perception of Ace, that he's like this master manipulator,
Speaker 1: you know, Wolf and Sheep's clothing kind of do you
Speaker 1: feel like that about Like do you think that he
Speaker 1: kept his word because the man of his word or
Speaker 1: do you think there's more to that.
Speaker 3: I think Ace is a man of his word, to
Speaker 3: be honest with me, but I do think his quirkiness
Speaker 3: is his manipulation tactics.
Speaker 2: So he's a gamer, like a low key game.
Speaker 3: It's like me being friends with everyone is my manipulation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: right right, No one wants to send me home because
Speaker 3: they want fucking fun energy in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm a sniper of my own right like we all are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody knows their role or knows what their strengths
Speaker 4: are for sure.
Speaker 5: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 5: we'll be right back after this. Okay, enough of that,
Speaker 5: let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: So moving to the elimination where you literally get out
Speaker 1: of it, dude, as you wanted to, which was insane
Speaker 1: to watch that happen. There's a lot of magic that
Speaker 1: happens where people just really get out of shit.
Speaker 2: But you get there.
Speaker 1: Did you think that when Jay saw it that he
Speaker 1: was going to do it?
Speaker 3: I did, because Jay and I differed in our opinion.
Speaker 3: Jay thought this was the last possible window to get
Speaker 3: a male star. I saw that there were eight stars,
Speaker 3: decoratively like in the final competition, so I thought, there's
Speaker 3: got to be one more way after this elimination, Like,
Speaker 3: this is not the last opportunity, and Jay, this is
Speaker 3: the last opportunity, you idiot.
Speaker 4: So Jay obviously, like TJ said after he ended up
Speaker 4: leaving the game, like he really did have the most improved.
Speaker 4: If there wasn't award for the most improved, it would
Speaker 4: be him because he left on a way that has
Speaker 4: haunted him from years, you know, in the past, haunted
Speaker 4: him for years. People you know, are have been talking
Speaker 4: shit since they announced it. All stars were dropping, They're.
Speaker 2: Like, why is Jay there? Why is Jay there? Like
Speaker 2: he has an uphill battle to fight.
Speaker 4: But I do think it's interesting how it all happened
Speaker 4: because the week before, literally Laurel Wins says she's gonna
Speaker 4: throw herself in and backs out. And then, you know,
Speaker 4: but Laurel is Laurel. It's not gonna take away from
Speaker 4: her as a competitor because she already established, to.
Speaker 3: Be honest, she said she was going to go in,
Speaker 3: and at that point, Laurel and Nicole were in a
Speaker 3: good place. At that point, me and Laurel were in
Speaker 3: a good place. So me and Nicole pleaded to her,
Speaker 3: were on the platform, like do not go in. There's
Speaker 3: gonna be another opportunity. She was She literally said I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do it, and then we cut her off and
Speaker 3: we're like no, And I looked at her and I said, no,
Speaker 3: this is not yours to win, this is yours to lose. Dude, Like,
Speaker 3: you are not going to beat Kara cars smaller, you
Speaker 3: have more of a body, tell yourself. So we actually
Speaker 3: we completely manipulated her into backing out of it because
Speaker 3: she was about to jump in.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think you helped her because I
Speaker 4: do believe that car probably would have won just based
Speaker 4: on size. Yeah, you like being small and mean and little.
Speaker 4: Fling yourself underneath that net was probably the strategy to win.
Speaker 4: So I mean, she should probably thank you for that one.
Speaker 3: Because she should thank me for a lot of things.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, she got in with the
Speaker 3: mean girls because of me. I was a good liaison
Speaker 3: for her because I vouched for Laurel.
Speaker 4: Okay, so by the mean girls, who do you just specify?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Tina, Veronica and Rachel didn't really know Laurel.
Speaker 3: They had never well I think Veronica had done a show,
Speaker 3: but they didn't like know each other. And the three
Speaker 3: of them were saying to me, like, Laura wants to
Speaker 3: move up into our room, and I said, listen, I
Speaker 3: haven't seen the girl in like a decade, but like
Speaker 3: we were on the same alliance on Fresh Meat too.
Speaker 3: That was my last flagship show. That was her first
Speaker 3: I vouch for. Like, I think she's great, Like she's
Speaker 3: a lot of things, but she's really fun and she's funny,
Speaker 3: and I do believe that, like she's on our side
Speaker 3: and she's fight the good fight for the people upstairs
Speaker 3: in the penthouse.
Speaker 4: Well, and that was probably great for her, you know,
Speaker 4: it definitely put her in a good position to work
Speaker 4: with all of you guys, and obviously she's still in
Speaker 4: the game crushing it.
Speaker 3: So started off with her sleeping She moved her match,
Speaker 3: I helped her move her mattress into the closet, and
Speaker 3: then when Janelle voluntarily left, she took Janelle's bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Laurel no sleep.
Speaker 1: Laurel is not the Laurel I that I love because
Speaker 1: that one shit she gets out.
Speaker 3: Real wake her up one morning or I just said
Speaker 3: good morning and she goes, Brian, do not talk to
Speaker 3: me for the first hour, And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we know this Laurel.
Speaker 2: We know this Laurel from Ride her Eyes.
Speaker 1: Because she had some sleeping bed issues for mee I.
Speaker 4: I really do appreciate how real she is about it though,
Speaker 4: Like if you ask her good morning and she doesn't
Speaker 4: want to, she will like tell you straight up, this
Speaker 4: is just not the time to talk. She's very good
Speaker 4: at setting boundaries for when not to commute.
Speaker 2: The boundary babe. For sure, she is a boundary babe.
Speaker 3: You guys expect only child.
Speaker 4: Boundary.
Speaker 1: So just to finish off this elimination thing, so he
Speaker 1: could bring this full circle, Steve takes Adam Starr and
Speaker 1: it gives it to Ace one. Where does that leave
Speaker 1: you and if you are to go into this next
Speaker 1: elimination or if there's another chance, who are you going
Speaker 1: to steal your star from?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I was pretty heartbroken for Adam to be that
Speaker 3: close to the final with a star and he literally
Speaker 3: chose me over Steve. I've been friends with Adhim on
Speaker 3: Facebook since like two thousand and nine, but like never
Speaker 3: met him. I honestly came in too All Stars four
Speaker 3: being like I'm going to hit that because he was
Speaker 3: my crush on the show. I watched him on road
Speaker 3: Roles was my jam. Adam Larsen was like the cats meow.
Speaker 3: I had the biggest crush and I was like gonna
Speaker 3: be I was on a mission be like like in
Speaker 3: the like I'm gonna fucking hit that, like I know
Speaker 3: he's a little maybe you know, like the time is right,
Speaker 3: and that I shared a room with him and it
Speaker 3: was instant. I love this dude, big brother vibes like
Speaker 3: no no sexual anything, like I just want to hug
Speaker 3: him and talk about visuality and do yoga with him
Speaker 3: and like shoot the shit. So anyway, I was heartbroken
Speaker 3: that Adam had a star taken that far into the
Speaker 3: game because he literally saved me from going into elimination
Speaker 3: and that jeopardized his star. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: he thought about that, but the repercussion was that Steve
Speaker 3: stole his star because he well, actually.
Speaker 4: What I think he was trying to do was have
Speaker 4: two star holders go in there. He was anticipating Jay
Speaker 4: not going in because Steve Hardy had a star, Leeroy
Speaker 4: had a star, So if they ended up going in,
Speaker 4: then he would have been checking his own box by
Speaker 4: now the star. Yeah, so I think he wasn't trying
Speaker 4: to save you as it's it. I'm sorry, but maybe
Speaker 4: it's both.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's both.
Speaker 4: But I also think he was trying to be calculated
Speaker 4: and trying to get two people. And then obviously when
Speaker 4: Jay went in and when Jay lost, that's when Steve
Speaker 4: has the opportunity to kind of like get his revenge
Speaker 4: on Adam for saying his name.
Speaker 3: But that was the worst case scenario that Adam thought
Speaker 3: was the bottom of the list, Like, Okay, are older? Wow?
Speaker 4: But yeah, and I think that so as much as
Speaker 4: I think that he probably is friends with you, And
Speaker 4: obviously we saw beautiful conversations between you and him earlier
Speaker 4: in the season. I think, to break your heart way.
Speaker 2: To break Ryan's heart.
Speaker 4: But can we talk about how he popped off like
Speaker 4: I never would to.
Speaker 2: Get sit on it and spin, bro, He said, sit
Speaker 2: and spin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well listen, I like Steve is a lot of things.
Speaker 3: I mean he does. He will three elimination wins, like huge,
Speaker 3: huge suit for him and and in the beginning, there
Speaker 3: was nothing that gave me and Laurel more joy than
Speaker 3: watching him do his weird ass workout routines where he's
Speaker 3: like lifting dumbbells that are like zero point five pounds
Speaker 3: and then like stretching with rope and then duct taping
Speaker 3: weird objects and like just doing weird shit, Like he
Speaker 3: was like comic relief in the beginning. But after competing
Speaker 3: with him and being in the house with him for
Speaker 3: like five weeks, I was on the train of like,
Speaker 3: get Steve the fuck away from me?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: Why? Because he ruined my safari experience. To be honest
Speaker 3: with you, he kept like, we're trying to be in
Speaker 3: nature and enjoy the animals in their captivity. And he's
Speaker 3: talking about how he auditioned for The Bachelor. He auditioned
Speaker 3: for pretty much every reality show. He auditioned for Real
Speaker 3: World seven times. He was a finalist for like Bachelor
Speaker 3: on Mars like it just he's pretty much like he
Speaker 3: loves to talk about himself, as we all do. There's
Speaker 3: a level of narcissism that you have to be to
Speaker 3: be on the challenge. But he was just talking so
Speaker 3: much that he was ruining moments for all of us
Speaker 3: towards the end. And you know, when the house gets emptier,
Speaker 3: the people that are still there, their voices gets louder
Speaker 3: because you're like, oh, like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think. I think in Steve's eyes, he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: Adam and I will be cool one day Adam is
Speaker 3: like it's a round Rabert, like he was like Steve
Speaker 3: and I didn't even keep in touch all these years, right,
Speaker 3: we came into this being like cool, we're doing All
Speaker 3: Stars together. Great, but as like he didn't know who
Speaker 3: Steve was as a human really like talk on the
Speaker 3: phone or like keep in touch, you know, right well
Speaker 3: and listen.
Speaker 4: I think even like back to what we were talking about,
Speaker 4: I do think there had to have been some personal
Speaker 4: relationship between you and Adam, because like it's just the
Speaker 4: chances of him throwing in Steve somebody who's known for
Speaker 4: so long. I mean, yeah, so I don't want to
Speaker 4: take that away. I do think, yeah, probably there was
Speaker 4: an amain now hearing the story of how people were
Speaker 4: feeling about Steve on the inside, because we don't get
Speaker 4: to see that from the outside. Like from the outside,
Speaker 4: it just looks like Steve is kind of having to
Speaker 4: go into his st elimination and that's kind of a
Speaker 4: shit experience. But obviously it's so different when you're in
Speaker 4: the game playing with these people. I know that, like
Speaker 4: we all know that, Like there are certain things that
Speaker 4: are just never going to make storylines. So thanks for
Speaker 4: giving us that that insight.
Speaker 1: I feel like you know, you know, I know you'll
Speaker 1: always you'll always be honest. This is what I need
Speaker 1: you to be honest about right now, though, Yeah, can
Speaker 1: you tease out something from the near future of All
Speaker 1: Stars without spilling too much of like what's to come?
Speaker 2: Anything spicy?
Speaker 4: How close is the final?
Speaker 3: The final is moments away at this.
Speaker 2: Point, moments we hate.
Speaker 1: The finals as close as you could imagine it.
Speaker 2: It's moments away. It's close by throughout.
Speaker 3: The at this point in the game, the final. If
Speaker 3: you don't have a start at this point in the game,
Speaker 3: there is no guarantee that you'll have an opportunity, but
Speaker 3: you better be hoping that there is one, because if
Speaker 3: you're a non star holder, whether you were too lazy
Speaker 3: to get your ass into an elimination or scared or
Speaker 3: you had your shit stolen by somebody else last minute,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to fight to the death to get
Speaker 3: into that final. And that's not even guaranteed.
Speaker 4: Well, now that the one Oscalot is out of the game,
Speaker 4: is the other Oscelot going to do everything that they
Speaker 4: can to make sure that they can get the.
Speaker 3: Other Oscelot is going to get a good night's sleep
Speaker 3: and conserve all his energy because I'm I'm going to
Speaker 3: need all that I can to get this star so
Speaker 3: that I can run the final. But honestly, getting rid
Speaker 3: of Jay was such a power move, not only for
Speaker 3: myself but for anyone else that's going to run the final,
Speaker 3: because he is the male to beat.
Speaker 4: Really, did you feel like, did you feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: just watching him perform this season that he had everything
Speaker 4: it takes to be I was going to ask about puzzles, Yeah, like,
Speaker 4: because I feel like we didn't get to see a
Speaker 4: lot of him, but I guess, and what if.
Speaker 2: He has to drink another drink? Has he gotten past that?
Speaker 3: Jay was surprisingly amazing. Listen, when we did our first
Speaker 3: challenge where it was endurance and puzzle and the fricking
Speaker 3: African Sun, him and I were neck and neck and
Speaker 3: I somehow like beat him in time. And I just
Speaker 3: saw him because he was right next to me in
Speaker 3: that first challenge and him and I were eyeing each
Speaker 3: other and we were like neck and neck and then
Speaker 3: just finishing before him, I think like set the tone
Speaker 3: for our very friendly rivalry throughout the season. But I
Speaker 3: was looking at him and especially the last half of
Speaker 3: the challenge. He was just in the top or runner up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was just he was the one to beat. You
Speaker 3: know this, This All Starts four was such a heavily
Speaker 3: packed season of strong females. I think as far as
Speaker 3: males go, Jay was the male to be in the final.
Speaker 4: Well, now that he's gone and the final is moments away,
Speaker 4: you could probably see the final through the reflection of
Speaker 4: TJ's metal. Do you do you?
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, I don't know. Do you feel
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 4: Feel ready to go? Do you feel like your journey
Speaker 4: up to this point is going to take you there?
Speaker 4: And do you feel like being sober has given you
Speaker 4: an edge obviously aside from the shoulder injury, but to
Speaker 4: help you have that mental clarity that you need to
Speaker 4: make it all the way to the end.
Speaker 3: Dude, I am so clear in my brain at this point.
Speaker 3: I have avoided going into elimination for the first half
Speaker 3: of the season. I didn't have an opportunity to go
Speaker 3: in the season because I was killing it and I
Speaker 3: was in the book group, so I didn't even have
Speaker 3: an opportunity to go in, and I still had enough
Speaker 3: social game to keep myself out of elimination, but I
Speaker 3: know it's gonna take every ounce of energy because I
Speaker 3: can taste the victory of this final so bad. I'm
Speaker 3: so close, and I've done so fucking well this season.
Speaker 3: I definitely think being sober has given me so much
Speaker 3: advantage in this game.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. Do you have any advice for anybody out
Speaker 4: there who is inspired by your story and this thinking
Speaker 4: about going sober and taking the steps that you've taken.
Speaker 3: I think for anybody that's struggling out there, you have
Speaker 3: to surrender. That's the word, surrender and get over your ego.
Speaker 3: And the first step is just saying you have a problem.
Speaker 3: There is somewhere a community to find, even in the
Speaker 3: smallest of towns. In any community, go online and and
Speaker 3: see where the nearest facility is. Go to a meeting.
Speaker 3: Even if you don't feel like sharing your story, Go
Speaker 3: to a meeting and listen to other people's stories, because
Speaker 3: that'll put things in perspective. Just when you think you're
Speaker 3: hitting your rock bottom, you listen to others and you
Speaker 3: are filled with gratitude, like, Wow, it could be a
Speaker 3: lot worse. But I think listening for me was the
Speaker 3: key because I was so self focused, and I was
Speaker 3: feeling like such a loser and I felt like all
Speaker 3: eyes were on me and the world was closing in
Speaker 3: and like, who am I without this party boy exterior?
Speaker 3: Like what do I have to offer? Yeah? But the
Speaker 3: party still goes on, man, Like you make the party,
Speaker 3: you are the party. Like you know, it took. It
Speaker 3: wasn't overnight. It took some months of pain and grief.
Speaker 3: And you lose you lose an identity, and there's grief
Speaker 3: with that because you're no longer one way. You're now
Speaker 3: a new way, and you have to learn how to
Speaker 3: navigate without the booze, without you know, the crutch, and
Speaker 3: you just have to feel your emotions. But with that
Speaker 3: comes power because now when I'm angry, I'm fuming. When
Speaker 3: I am sad, I fucking cry. But most of the
Speaker 3: time I'm pretty even keeled. The ups and the downs
Speaker 3: are just not as extreme, you know. And I can
Speaker 3: handle anything because like I almost died several times in
Speaker 3: my life from substance abuse, Like I can handle anything.
Speaker 3: Like if I beat that, I can fucking win a challenge.
Speaker 3: You know, anything is possible.
Speaker 4: Oh chills, Ryan, Thank you so much, dude. I just
Speaker 4: know that so many people are going to listen to
Speaker 4: your story and just be so inspired by you, and
Speaker 4: it's just so nice to hear you speak from such
Speaker 4: a place of just you have that winner's mentality, so
Speaker 4: no matter what happens in the game, like you're crushing it,
Speaker 4: you're already a winner in so many other aspects.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this also helps much.
Speaker 1: This also helps people that don't have a problem, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that just want to live a
Speaker 1: more fulfilling life and remember more nights and feel less
Speaker 1: hung you know what I mean, and know what it's
Speaker 1: like to socialize without the crutch of alcohol. So I
Speaker 1: think those were the people that are alcohol dependent and
Speaker 1: those who have kind of become socially alcohol dependent if
Speaker 1: you will.
Speaker 3: Well, there's nothing also better than the people in my
Speaker 3: life were like, he's never going to do this, Like
Speaker 3: he's going to find a way around it because he's
Speaker 3: Ryan and he's really good at manipulating there like the
Speaker 3: space around him. And you know, one day became three,
Speaker 3: became weeks became months, and like then, once I hit
Speaker 3: a certain point, the people in my life that didn't
Speaker 3: have a problem started taking inventory of the way they
Speaker 3: drink and why they drink and how much they drink.
Speaker 3: And you know, my sister stopped drinking while with dinner
Speaker 3: every night, Like why do I need it? Like I
Speaker 3: don't need it? Like right, you know she didn't have
Speaker 3: a problem, but like it's never a bad thing. That's
Speaker 3: just take inventory of what is the motive behind the numbing, right,
Speaker 3: because you know, if it's not that it's fucking food
Speaker 3: or you know, shopping, yeah, likes on Instagram, you know.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, it's so so true. Well, thank you
Speaker 4: so much for being so vulnerable and for sharing all
Speaker 4: this with us. It's just always so great to talk
Speaker 4: to you. But it's been so amazing to watch your
Speaker 4: journey thus far, and it's good, be awesome to continue
Speaker 4: to root for you and we hope you get your star.
Speaker 3: Thank yeah, dude, I'm ready amazing.
Speaker 4: And where can people follow you on social media if
Speaker 4: they want to support you or reach out to you
Speaker 4: or follow your journey even deeper?
Speaker 3: Sure? My Instagram is Ryan Keiho five, very simple. My
Speaker 3: birthday is May fifth, so five is my lucky number.
Speaker 3: That's my tarists Dame is Shane. We're one hour apart.
Speaker 3: That's my man, My go new Yeah, and we're ex boyfriends.
Speaker 3: See how that went.
Speaker 2: Oh, because you need to need you with a virgo.
Speaker 3: That's why you want to see me really lose my
Speaker 3: ship put Shane on the same season as me.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll see. We never know, we never know, we
Speaker 1: never know. Thank you so much, oh, Ryan, key of five.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it, and I can't wait to finish
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a giddy I'll collup.
Speaker 4: God. Ryan is just one of those people that just
Speaker 4: gets better and better the more you talk to him.
Speaker 4: He's such a sweetie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's also completely honest and transparent, and it's
Speaker 1: just he doesn't give a shit.
Speaker 2: You get Ryan the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has just shown so much growth over the
Speaker 4: course of just All Stars alone, and then just think
Speaker 4: about his like challenge career in total. He's just such
Speaker 4: an incredible person. So hopefully we get to watch him
Speaker 4: get a star because he is a star. And you
Speaker 4: know what, Anissa, you are a star too.
Speaker 2: Where can we wanna do that to me?
Speaker 4: Where can we follow you and see your bright starry
Speaker 4: eyes on.
Speaker 1: Social Oh that's so sweet because I didn't know what
Speaker 1: you were going to say, because I have like nine
Speaker 1: tattoos of stars on me. You can follow me on
Speaker 1: Instagram at Anissa MTV. That's a n E E s
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Speaker 2: Support you click a link or two.
Speaker 4: You guys can follow me at Tory Underscore Deal on Instagram.
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