WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, January 23 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:05.920 Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. He's looking for 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:18.320 checkdown Jacksonville opening try. It is Thursday, January twenty three. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:25.560 This is Jaguars Happy Hours. And now now Bobile didn't 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:31.560 want him, I guess we'll take him. JA Welcome in 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.760 Jaguars Happy Hour on this January J P. Shadrick with 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:42.519 Tony Baselli. Jeff Flagaman is in parts unknown. Tony's on 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.400 the line with us. Where are you, Tony? What's up? 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.920 I am out of town. I am doing a little 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.360 work up in Minneapolis. That's your that's your new second home. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.280 It seems like you're always in Minneapolis now, well, just 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.560 little short term. I'm working on the stuff. But yeah, 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:03.120 so up here. Jack Bowl last week, Super Bowl next week, 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:08.880 and uh, busy time of year. Here's what's coming up 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.320 on the show today. Jay Gruden, named the offensive coordinator, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:17.160 will recap that higher. Doug Marone announced that yesterday. In 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.400 Mobile Senior Bowl week wrap up, we'll hear from Dave Caldwell, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:27.000 also Jaguars general manager, Pro Bowl Jags three players involved 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.200 in Orlando this week. Ashland Sullivan was there. She'll present 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.360 what she got from the guys down at the practice 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.479 field in Orlando. This week, we'll go around the National 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.520 Football League as well. Jay Gruden hired as the offensive 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.160 coordinator the former Redskins head coach, fired after an over 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.720 start this past season, and he was an offensive coordinator 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.320 with the Cincinnati Bengals before that, and then prior to 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.560 his NFL stint, he was for a long time in 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.200 the Arena Football League, a couple of Arena Bowl titles 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.120 as the head coach of the Orlando Editors years and 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.600 years ago thirty nine and one record as a head coach, 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.040 and Tony if you if you think back a few 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.760 years ago before he was the Redskins head coach, he 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.560 was kind of the hot offensive coordinator mind in the 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.560 NFL and when when the Redskins hired him, the record 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.360 doesn't really show it as a head coach, but this 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.360 guy has a reputation as being a really good offensive mind. 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.040 We'll just wrap your head around this JP he took. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.880 He led the Bengals offensively, now Marvin Lus's head coach, 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.280 but offensively the three straight playoffs appearances they had when 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:44.560 the better offensive in football, certainly, that's how That's how 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.400 out of a commodity he was. I mean, he was 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.760 the hot commodity. He was the guy everyone wanted and 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:53.280 uh went to He went to Washington. They had stuff success, 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.360 but you know, the last couple of years was quarterback 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:01.200 issues and um organizational issues. I think they're well documented 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.760 of Daniel Snyder as the owner up there, so he's 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:10.080 not the first individual who had a tough time in 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.880 the nation's capital. Doug Brown yesterday said that, you know, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.639 scheme is one thing and all that, but it's really 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.480 how he fits with the coaching staff and and working 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.639 with the players and his personality, and you know that 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.880 was a big part of this process as anything on 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.200 the field. I think for j Gruden to be here, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.200 Um yeah, I mean listening, think about how I mean 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.120 we see it firsthand, Um, being in the building. How 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.320 many hours these coaches spend together. It's a scheme and 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.480 ability to teach as a coach and to lead those 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.160 are all critical and you have to be able to 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.200 do that. But at the same time, you need to 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:55.480 have the right personality in the right uh how do 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.160 you say, I mean, the right chemistry with the assistant 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.280 coaches that you're leading as well, because you spend time 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.760 with them that you do the players and I think 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.280 that's an often overlooked part of making sure you get 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.960 the right guy. Does he fit the culture of your assists, 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.160 of what you're trying to build as a head coach 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.720 on the coaching stapps, forget the players, but just from 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.240 a coaching staff perspective, Well, what will the offense look 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.720 like will be a question of course moving ahead, until 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.520 we actually see something on a practice field at some 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.360 point in this offseason. We don't really know until we 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.000 find out exactly what the personnel is going to be. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.599 We don't know his thoughts on the quarterback yet. Dave 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.200 called Will didn't have a lot to say about that 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.640 position this week either. So you have a coordinator, but 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.000 it's really building around the parts you have on the 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.520 offensive side. Yeah, I think I think you said it perfectly. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.840 We'll find out. I mean, I think you know you 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.120 still have free agency. Well before we get the free agency, 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:51.920 what you have is you have to cut people that's 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.599 right to get under the cap. And then once you 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.000 do that, and then you find out much capre you 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.640 have and you go address as many needs as you 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.600 can um an areas that you don't think you'll be 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.360 able to address in the draft. UM through free agency, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.839 and then what you do that you have the draft 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.800 and and as you're kind of going through that process, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.400 you have an idea of the personnel that you have 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.960 and kind of which way you want to lean. But 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.080 in the meantime, you can't wait for all that. If 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.040 you're Jay Gruden, you gotta start immediately working with your 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.400 assistant coaches and start talking about terminology and language and 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.520 and what your core beliefs are as a offensive staff. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.839 So all these things kind of need to work together 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.159 in concert. And it's a lot of movie pieces and 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.400 a lot of movie parts, and that's why it's always 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.080 difficult to have a coaching change and UH, and typically 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.800 it takes some time to get on the same page, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.919 and especially when you're talking at a coordinator level. Tony 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.160 Boselli with us on the phone from Minneapolis, Minnesota Jaguars 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.719 happy Hour. How many Redskins games have you done in 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.840 the time he was the head coach on Thursdays? Oh, gosh, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.240 one a year, So you know I did one this 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:06.400 year they played in Minnesota. UM, they had all kinds 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:11.560 of quarterback issues. Guys was out with injury, Peterson was playing. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.840 UM ended up having an injury in game and so 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.280 the rookie Haskins had to come into the second half. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:20.680 So they had all kinds of issues. I mean, it 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.080 wasn't I don't want to say a disaster, but it 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:27.320 was tough sledging from a personnel standpoint, injury standpoint, and 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.880 then they were without Trent Brown this year. He held out, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.680 had all kinds of issues in the organization that brought 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.880 a lot of drama from that standpoint. So it was 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.120 tough for Jay. And I'm not saying he was without fault, 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.360 you know, not being there. You don't know the entire backstory. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:45.520 But like I said at the beginning, he's not the 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.520 first coach who has had a tough time in DC 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.800 under the leadership of damage oh and five start this 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.240 year and that got him run off from Washington to 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.200 start this season seven and nine records the two years 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.680 before that, but then he had winning records UM the 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.520 season's probably fifteen and sixteen and nine and seven record 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.560 and a playoff appearance in fifteen eight seven and one 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.280 record and missed the playoffs that year UM and then 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.440 over the last few years. But what was the year 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.440 that the GM they ran him off as well? That 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.440 was a few years ago and Washington, there's been a 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.480 lot of moving parts around the organization, and they remember 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.120 every off season it was the drama until a couple 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.240 of years ago it was Kirk Cousin. That's right. They 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.240 you know, they franchised them, are gonna sign them, and 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.280 they gonna trade them. I mean, there's been very little 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.640 stability in that organization for a long time. No, so 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:41.000 it's caught and uh, I think Ron Rivera there now 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.920 we'll see what he does, how he handled it. But 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.440 I think Jake rud is a very good coach. Everything 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.560 you hear about it is very positive. His success at 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.760 Cincinnati was, you know, evident by what they did. The 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.320 question is now is you know it's a you know 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:01.680 they have a it's there under the um pressure of 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.960 a one ye here. We got to figure it out now, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.440 you know, Jake Gruden can't come and say, all, we're 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.840 gonna build this out. You kind of layer in what 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.040 we want to do. And because we're gonna have a 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.200 three year period to kind of become a great offense, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.360 they have to figure it out in the next you know, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.000 eight months before they kick it off. And Doug Maron 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.880 said as such, in the conference call yesterday with the 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.080 Jaguars media, I don't I don't have time for that. Basically, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.560 it's how he said it. They have to win. They 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.560 have to win right away, and they don't have time 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.800 to to really get things, you know, take the time 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.520 to get it going. It's got to be right away 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.400 from the word go at the start of the off 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.920 season program, have the offense ready to roll, and then 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.360 on opening Day I get out there and play. Now, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.960 the next trick is there is still a hiring process 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.400 going on. According to Doug Marone, the quarterback coach position 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.000 is still out there, and it sounds like he and 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.360 Gruden will figure that out together moving ahead. I don't 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.679 think there's a true rush on that though, Tony Well, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.800 I mean, you don't want to wait too long. I mean, 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.720 because that's a part of your staff that as you start, 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:07.720 you gotta remember they gotta put in a whole new 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.600 offense in terminology and language and what they're gonna do 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.600 and how they communicate. So you want that individual part 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.320 of that conversation. And my guess is that part of 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.520 the process of hiring Jay Gruden was Jay explaining and 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.400 I don't know this for a fact that explaining that 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.200 he would like to have a lot of say in 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.880 that higher so he could bring his one of his 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.920 guys in because they at least have helped one person 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.640 on the staff that speak in the same language that 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.960 he is. How tough is that for let's say, a 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.120 quarterback or a left tackle, even when you have to 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.240 bring in a whole new offensive terminology, how how hard 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.840 is that? How long does that take? You know? In fairness, 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:52.400 the only time I did it was my rookie year, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.120 because after that I have the same terminal of the 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.920 same offense the entire time. But I'll go back to 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.120 my rookie year when my head was swimming and trying 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.080 to figure anything out. I didn't think it was that hard. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.400 Now for an offensive linement. Did I know in depth 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.680 every aspect of it year one like I did in 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.360 the future years? No? But did I understand the language 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.000 what we're doing? Formation? You know, play called, protection, run, scheme? 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.840 All that? Absolutely, But again that's only a portion of it. 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.360 The quarterback has to know all that plus the routes, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.839 skin schematics, you know what you want to do to 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.360 get discoverage this front um. And so it's quite extensive. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.640 And it's you know, but what we saw last year 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.760 which gives me a lot of hope in this area, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.000 is that we saw Gardner Minshew picked up really quick. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.679 It did a great job of absorbing a lot of 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.080 information enough where he was effective going in there opening 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.680 day as the backup. And minshe has done that throughout 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.880 his college career too. I mean he changed schools like 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.600 five times or something, you know, So it's not the 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.000 The guy has no dummy, so my guess there will 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.280 be no issue for him. Looking forward to seeing how 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.760 that does the rest of the way here, we're gonna 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.240 hear from Ashland Sullivan coming up. She's gonna join us 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.200 in studio a couple of seconds from now to discuss 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.439 the Pro Bowl players for the Jaguars. And she also 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:12.520 caught up with the Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins and asked 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:24.320 him about Jay Gruden coming to Jacksonville. We'll get back 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.840 to Kirk Cousins coming up. Production in calling plays with 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.520 a variety of different players in a variety of different places. 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.960 So he will do a great job with that team 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.120 with that system, and um, I think everybody's in a 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:41.800 good place higing him. So Kirk Cousins had some nice 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.480 comments about his former head coach down at the Pro 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.360 Bowl Astro and Sullivan caught up with him. Um, this 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.800 will be interesting the next to see how this thing 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.280 goes in Tony. And and then the question obviously moving 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.200 ahead of as we talked about, where do you trim 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.320 the cap? How far down do you trim it? How 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.160 much money do you have to spend? It sounds like 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.440 Dave Caldwell's confident he'll have a little money to spend 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.760 come free agency time, but there's a lot of work 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:11.240 to be done to trim it down that far. Um. Yeah, 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.440 I mean, listen, they can get creative, but in getting creative, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.839 they can create space, but then they're creating other holes 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.400 in the roster. I mean, I mean we looked at 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.680 it what last week for the week before with Jeff, 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.559 and they were over the cap going in to this 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.240 week year and so they're gonna have to make some 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:34.920 significant changes in the coming weeks, coming months to get 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.319 under the cap. And they give them the ability to 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.320 do make some moves and fre agency. But as you 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.120 do that and being repetitive now, but I want to 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.280 make sure one's clear, you create some holes by letting 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.920 guys go, all right, let's come back in a moment. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.360 We'll hear from Dave Caldwell. He'll discuss the Senior Bowl week, 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.800 working with Doug Marone, the scouting and coaching staffs getting together, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:58.719 and a little bit more to come as well. A 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.480 little later, Ashlan Sullivan has reports from the Pro Bowl 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:06.000 in Orlando. We'll go around the National Football League as well. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.800 We're often runn against Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:18.800 Digital Network. 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And see where you know we 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.600 can fill some guys in in free agency or we 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.360 may lose the guy here and may lose the guy there, 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.200 so those will change. So we want to make sure 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.320 we know everybody here at every position and feel good 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.240 about those guys going into the draft. Dave called Well 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.240 Jaguars General manager at Senior Bowl in Mobile. That was 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:56.480 on Tuesday, Welcome Pack, Jaguars Happy Hour. J P. Shadrick 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.240 in studio, Tony Buselli on the line with us from 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:04.440 Minneapolis in Asota. Jeff Lackerman is not here somewhere else 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.239 so'll be back next week and Ashlan Sullivan coming up 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.400 next segment to discuss the Pro Bowl in Orlando this week. Yeah, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.640 so you heard from the GM there, Tony Um. Well, 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.720 obviously needs can change over the next couple of months 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.879 when the free agency and you start trimming as we 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.120 talked about there. If you if you start trimming salary down, 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.200 then that opens up some more needs for you. That's 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.600 why you gotta know everybody at the Senior Bowl. Get 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.560 some base and for not that they don't already, but 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.560 the part of this week is scouts trying to talk 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.679 or it may at least make contact with everybody on 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.560 both sides and mobile. That's a lot of conversations in 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.159 the hallway in that hotel room. Yeah, but it's a 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.320 great opportunity. You gotta be around some of these guys, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.800 and some of these guys are gonna be top players, 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.040 you know, first, second, third rounders, and you get to 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.520 do extra work on them. You gotta see him in 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.840 live action competing as other guys. You get to see 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:01.000 how they interact with coaches, how they handle coaching. Um, 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.240 you see him away from the field, and so if 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.360 this is valuable time to do your work. Now it's 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.840 just part of the story. Obviously, UM their game tape 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.800 that they have during the season, all the way through 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.879 the combine information, the medical that you're gonna get and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.920 then the guys you really want to see some more 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.960 of is that you'll do. Uh, You'll invite him to 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.680 Jacksonville and do an in person interview on site. So 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.480 this is simply just part of the information but it's 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.719 a valuable piece and you've got to start doing your 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.520 homework from day one on these guys. Um, you're investing 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.800 a lot, and we've talked about it on this show 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.720 that you need to get the draft right. Uh and 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.120 this year as much as anything, you have to two 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.880 first rounders. You have I think, what is the three 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:49.359 picks in the first forty um, and so you need 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:51.160 to get those right because this is how you build 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:54.320 the foundation of young players where you don't have to 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.560 be dependent in the future and free agency and how 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.520 you build the championship football team is in the draft, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.320 in my opinion, and this is critical for that we 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.879 get this right. Well, we'll touch on some more of 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.080 the things that Dave discussed this week in just a 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.359 few minutes here, but let's continue on the Senior Bowl 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.359 talk and some of the the top standout players at 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.720 least at practices this week. As you would imagine, Justin Herbert, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.320 the quarterback from Oregon, UM shows well on the practice field. Tony. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.680 I'll say that big arm um, big name throughout the year, 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.040 and now that the pre draft process is here, I 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.320 think his stock will only continue to rise. You look 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.320 pretty good this week. How is his accuracy, because the 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.639 big knock on Justin Herbert at Oregon is his accuracy. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.400 He's big, he's athletic, he has a big arm, big 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.080 arm um. He has all those qualities that you love 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.679 about him. But there's been some accuras issues. If you 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.080 accuracy issues. As you watch the tape of him playing 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.479 in Or, I will say that I didn't see a 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.800 lot of the team periods each day the first two days. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:56.719 But against Air, I mean, obviously the balls on target, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.520 I'm pretty accurate on Air two. I think we all, 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:03.480 most of us are. Yeah, when he gets into live 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.320 situation where there's a rush around him, there's defenders are 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.679 out there, is you know how what's his accuracy like? 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.240 And that's gonna be something that needs to be looked at. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.679 But he is a real real deal. He's a real prospect. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.399 And in Jeff and I have talked about it on 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.120 the show that we feel like you need to look 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.879 at quarterback. I don't think that is a you know, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.800 Gardner Vinchew has submitted themselves as the future at that position. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.119 Nick Folds is still in the roster. We wait and 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.919 see what happens there. I think there will be a 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.080 competition between the two of them. Um, however, I think 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.280 Gardner as a lead right now. So you still all 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.320 that to be said. You need to do work on 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.480 this quarterback class. And if Justin Herbert is a guy 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.520 that you feel like is a franchise quarterback that can 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.879 win you a Super Bowl, that he is one of 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.639 those guys that can lead a franchise by putting him 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.479 on his back because of his skill set, his makeup 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.280 and everything else, then I think you have to take 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.400 an honest look at picking. You know, do you pick 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.720 him at number line because I think what we see 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.760 look at the look at the Kansas City Chiefs. The 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.480 Kansas City Chiefs had Alex Smith, who was a playoff 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.479 caliber quarterback, was one of the highest rated quarterbacks in 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.639 the NFL, you know, top ten, maybe even top five. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.760 The year they picked Patrick Mahomes and they went from 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.480 twenty seven to ten because they had a conviction that 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:28.600 Patrick Mahomes would be a guy, the guy franchise quarterback 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.000 they can lead them to championships. And and what has 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.439 he done since he's been there. He's led them to 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:39.159 two a C championships And now to a sorry about that. 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.440 The camera slide a little bit, uh and and now 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.600 to a super Bowl and so, but they had a conviction. 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.439 They went from twenty seven to ten. They gave up 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.119 future draft capital, they gave up first rounders. Well, if 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.960 you're the Jacksville Jaguars, and if you think that Justin 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.160 Herbert is one of those type of guys, I don't 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.840 care if what you think about you know, you have 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.720 unknowns about Gardner Mitchell. You have to pick that guy. 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.080 The question that will come up, and I think Justin 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.600 Herbert addressed it a little bit in his press conference 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.160