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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on this January J P. Shadrick with
Speaker 1: Tony Baselli. Jeff Flagaman is in parts unknown. Tony's on
Speaker 1: the line with us. Where are you, Tony? What's up?
Speaker 1: I am out of town. I am doing a little
Speaker 1: work up in Minneapolis. That's your that's your new second home.
Speaker 1: It seems like you're always in Minneapolis now, well, just
Speaker 1: little short term. I'm working on the stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so up here. Jack Bowl last week, Super Bowl next week,
Speaker 1: and uh, busy time of year. Here's what's coming up
Speaker 1: on the show today. Jay Gruden, named the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: will recap that higher. Doug Marone announced that yesterday. In
Speaker 1: Mobile Senior Bowl week wrap up, we'll hear from Dave Caldwell,
Speaker 1: also Jaguars general manager, Pro Bowl Jags three players involved
Speaker 1: in Orlando this week. Ashland Sullivan was there. She'll present
Speaker 1: what she got from the guys down at the practice
Speaker 1: field in Orlando. This week, we'll go around the National
Speaker 1: Football League as well. Jay Gruden hired as the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator the former Redskins head coach, fired after an over
Speaker 1: start this past season, and he was an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: with the Cincinnati Bengals before that, and then prior to
Speaker 1: his NFL stint, he was for a long time in
Speaker 1: the Arena Football League, a couple of Arena Bowl titles
Speaker 1: as the head coach of the Orlando Editors years and
Speaker 1: years ago thirty nine and one record as a head coach,
Speaker 1: and Tony if you if you think back a few
Speaker 1: years ago before he was the Redskins head coach, he
Speaker 1: was kind of the hot offensive coordinator mind in the
Speaker 1: NFL and when when the Redskins hired him, the record
Speaker 1: doesn't really show it as a head coach, but this
Speaker 1: guy has a reputation as being a really good offensive mind.
Speaker 1: We'll just wrap your head around this JP he took.
Speaker 1: He led the Bengals offensively, now Marvin Lus's head coach,
Speaker 1: but offensively the three straight playoffs appearances they had when
Speaker 1: the better offensive in football, certainly, that's how That's how
Speaker 1: out of a commodity he was. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: the hot commodity. He was the guy everyone wanted and
Speaker 1: uh went to He went to Washington. They had stuff success,
Speaker 1: but you know, the last couple of years was quarterback
Speaker 1: issues and um organizational issues. I think they're well documented
Speaker 1: of Daniel Snyder as the owner up there, so he's
Speaker 1: not the first individual who had a tough time in
Speaker 1: the nation's capital. Doug Brown yesterday said that, you know,
Speaker 1: scheme is one thing and all that, but it's really
Speaker 1: how he fits with the coaching staff and and working
Speaker 1: with the players and his personality, and you know that
Speaker 1: was a big part of this process as anything on
Speaker 1: the field. I think for j Gruden to be here,
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean listening, think about how I mean
Speaker 1: we see it firsthand, Um, being in the building. How
Speaker 1: many hours these coaches spend together. It's a scheme and
Speaker 1: ability to teach as a coach and to lead those
Speaker 1: are all critical and you have to be able to
Speaker 1: do that. But at the same time, you need to
Speaker 1: have the right personality in the right uh how do
Speaker 1: you say, I mean, the right chemistry with the assistant
Speaker 1: coaches that you're leading as well, because you spend time
Speaker 1: with them that you do the players and I think
Speaker 1: that's an often overlooked part of making sure you get
Speaker 1: the right guy. Does he fit the culture of your assists,
Speaker 1: of what you're trying to build as a head coach
Speaker 1: on the coaching stapps, forget the players, but just from
Speaker 1: a coaching staff perspective, Well, what will the offense look
Speaker 1: like will be a question of course moving ahead, until
Speaker 1: we actually see something on a practice field at some
Speaker 1: point in this offseason. We don't really know until we
Speaker 1: find out exactly what the personnel is going to be.
Speaker 1: We don't know his thoughts on the quarterback yet. Dave
Speaker 1: called Will didn't have a lot to say about that
Speaker 1: position this week either. So you have a coordinator, but
Speaker 1: it's really building around the parts you have on the
Speaker 1: offensive side. Yeah, I think I think you said it perfectly.
Speaker 1: We'll find out. I mean, I think you know you
Speaker 1: still have free agency. Well before we get the free agency,
Speaker 1: what you have is you have to cut people that's
Speaker 1: right to get under the cap. And then once you
Speaker 1: do that, and then you find out much capre you
Speaker 1: have and you go address as many needs as you
Speaker 1: can um an areas that you don't think you'll be
Speaker 1: able to address in the draft. UM through free agency,
Speaker 1: and then what you do that you have the draft
Speaker 1: and and as you're kind of going through that process,
Speaker 1: you have an idea of the personnel that you have
Speaker 1: and kind of which way you want to lean. But
Speaker 1: in the meantime, you can't wait for all that. If
Speaker 1: you're Jay Gruden, you gotta start immediately working with your
Speaker 1: assistant coaches and start talking about terminology and language and
Speaker 1: and what your core beliefs are as a offensive staff.
Speaker 1: So all these things kind of need to work together
Speaker 1: in concert. And it's a lot of movie pieces and
Speaker 1: a lot of movie parts, and that's why it's always
Speaker 1: difficult to have a coaching change and UH, and typically
Speaker 1: it takes some time to get on the same page,
Speaker 1: and especially when you're talking at a coordinator level. Tony
Speaker 1: Boselli with us on the phone from Minneapolis, Minnesota Jaguars
Speaker 1: happy Hour. How many Redskins games have you done in
Speaker 1: the time he was the head coach on Thursdays? Oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: one a year, So you know I did one this
Speaker 1: year they played in Minnesota. UM, they had all kinds
Speaker 1: of quarterback issues. Guys was out with injury, Peterson was playing.
Speaker 1: UM ended up having an injury in game and so
Speaker 1: the rookie Haskins had to come into the second half.
Speaker 1: So they had all kinds of issues. I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't I don't want to say a disaster, but it
Speaker 1: was tough sledging from a personnel standpoint, injury standpoint, and
Speaker 1: then they were without Trent Brown this year. He held out,
Speaker 1: had all kinds of issues in the organization that brought
Speaker 1: a lot of drama from that standpoint. So it was
Speaker 1: tough for Jay. And I'm not saying he was without fault,
Speaker 1: you know, not being there. You don't know the entire backstory.
Speaker 1: But like I said at the beginning, he's not the
Speaker 1: first coach who has had a tough time in DC
Speaker 1: under the leadership of damage oh and five start this
Speaker 1: year and that got him run off from Washington to
Speaker 1: start this season seven and nine records the two years
Speaker 1: before that, but then he had winning records UM the
Speaker 1: season's probably fifteen and sixteen and nine and seven record
Speaker 1: and a playoff appearance in fifteen eight seven and one
Speaker 1: record and missed the playoffs that year UM and then
Speaker 1: over the last few years. But what was the year
Speaker 1: that the GM they ran him off as well? That
Speaker 1: was a few years ago and Washington, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of moving parts around the organization, and they remember
Speaker 1: every off season it was the drama until a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago it was Kirk Cousin. That's right. They
Speaker 1: you know, they franchised them, are gonna sign them, and
Speaker 1: they gonna trade them. I mean, there's been very little
Speaker 1: stability in that organization for a long time. No, so
Speaker 1: it's caught and uh, I think Ron Rivera there now
Speaker 1: we'll see what he does, how he handled it. But
Speaker 1: I think Jake rud is a very good coach. Everything
Speaker 1: you hear about it is very positive. His success at
Speaker 1: Cincinnati was, you know, evident by what they did. The
Speaker 1: question is now is you know it's a you know
Speaker 1: they have a it's there under the um pressure of
Speaker 1: a one ye here. We got to figure it out now,
Speaker 1: you know, Jake Gruden can't come and say, all, we're
Speaker 1: gonna build this out. You kind of layer in what
Speaker 1: we want to do. And because we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: three year period to kind of become a great offense,
Speaker 1: they have to figure it out in the next you know,
Speaker 1: eight months before they kick it off. And Doug Maron
Speaker 1: said as such, in the conference call yesterday with the
Speaker 1: Jaguars media, I don't I don't have time for that. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's how he said it. They have to win. They
Speaker 1: have to win right away, and they don't have time
Speaker 1: to to really get things, you know, take the time
Speaker 1: to get it going. It's got to be right away
Speaker 1: from the word go at the start of the off
Speaker 1: season program, have the offense ready to roll, and then
Speaker 1: on opening Day I get out there and play. Now,
Speaker 1: the next trick is there is still a hiring process
Speaker 1: going on. According to Doug Marone, the quarterback coach position
Speaker 1: is still out there, and it sounds like he and
Speaker 1: Gruden will figure that out together moving ahead. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a true rush on that though, Tony Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to wait too long. I mean,
Speaker 1: because that's a part of your staff that as you start,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember they gotta put in a whole new
Speaker 1: offense in terminology and language and what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: and how they communicate. So you want that individual part
Speaker 1: of that conversation. And my guess is that part of
Speaker 1: the process of hiring Jay Gruden was Jay explaining and
Speaker 1: I don't know this for a fact that explaining that
Speaker 1: he would like to have a lot of say in
Speaker 1: that higher so he could bring his one of his
Speaker 1: guys in because they at least have helped one person
Speaker 1: on the staff that speak in the same language that
Speaker 1: he is. How tough is that for let's say, a
Speaker 1: quarterback or a left tackle, even when you have to
Speaker 1: bring in a whole new offensive terminology, how how hard
Speaker 1: is that? How long does that take? You know? In fairness,
Speaker 1: the only time I did it was my rookie year,
Speaker 1: because after that I have the same terminal of the
Speaker 1: same offense the entire time. But I'll go back to
Speaker 1: my rookie year when my head was swimming and trying
Speaker 1: to figure anything out. I didn't think it was that hard.
Speaker 1: Now for an offensive linement. Did I know in depth
Speaker 1: every aspect of it year one like I did in
Speaker 1: the future years? No? But did I understand the language
Speaker 1: what we're doing? Formation? You know, play called, protection, run, scheme?
Speaker 1: All that? Absolutely, But again that's only a portion of it.
Speaker 1: The quarterback has to know all that plus the routes,
Speaker 1: skin schematics, you know what you want to do to
Speaker 1: get discoverage this front um. And so it's quite extensive.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, but what we saw last year
Speaker 1: which gives me a lot of hope in this area,
Speaker 1: is that we saw Gardner Minshew picked up really quick.
Speaker 1: It did a great job of absorbing a lot of
Speaker 1: information enough where he was effective going in there opening
Speaker 1: day as the backup. And minshe has done that throughout
Speaker 1: his college career too. I mean he changed schools like
Speaker 1: five times or something, you know, So it's not the
Speaker 1: The guy has no dummy, so my guess there will
Speaker 1: be no issue for him. Looking forward to seeing how
Speaker 1: that does the rest of the way here, we're gonna
Speaker 1: hear from Ashland Sullivan coming up. She's gonna join us
Speaker 1: in studio a couple of seconds from now to discuss
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl players for the Jaguars. And she also
Speaker 1: caught up with the Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins and asked
Speaker 1: him about Jay Gruden coming to Jacksonville. We'll get back
Speaker 1: to Kirk Cousins coming up. Production in calling plays with
Speaker 1: a variety of different players in a variety of different places.
Speaker 1: So he will do a great job with that team
Speaker 1: with that system, and um, I think everybody's in a
Speaker 1: good place higing him. So Kirk Cousins had some nice
Speaker 1: comments about his former head coach down at the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl Astro and Sullivan caught up with him. Um, this
Speaker 1: will be interesting the next to see how this thing
Speaker 1: goes in Tony. And and then the question obviously moving
Speaker 1: ahead of as we talked about, where do you trim
Speaker 1: the cap? How far down do you trim it? How
Speaker 1: much money do you have to spend? It sounds like
Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell's confident he'll have a little money to spend
Speaker 1: come free agency time, but there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to be done to trim it down that far. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they can get creative, but in getting creative,
Speaker 1: they can create space, but then they're creating other holes
Speaker 1: in the roster. I mean, I mean we looked at
Speaker 1: it what last week for the week before with Jeff,
Speaker 1: and they were over the cap going in to this
Speaker 1: week year and so they're gonna have to make some
Speaker 1: significant changes in the coming weeks, coming months to get
Speaker 1: under the cap. And they give them the ability to
Speaker 1: do make some moves and fre agency. But as you
Speaker 1: do that and being repetitive now, but I want to
Speaker 1: make sure one's clear, you create some holes by letting
Speaker 1: guys go, all right, let's come back in a moment.
Speaker 1: We'll hear from Dave Caldwell. He'll discuss the Senior Bowl week,
Speaker 1: working with Doug Marone, the scouting and coaching staffs getting together,
Speaker 1: and a little bit more to come as well. A
Speaker 1: little later, Ashlan Sullivan has reports from the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: in Orlando. We'll go around the National Football League as well.
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Speaker 1: change and between now and the draft and our needs
Speaker 1: are going to change. And see where you know we
Speaker 1: can fill some guys in in free agency or we
Speaker 1: may lose the guy here and may lose the guy there,
Speaker 1: so those will change. So we want to make sure
Speaker 1: we know everybody here at every position and feel good
Speaker 1: about those guys going into the draft. Dave called Well
Speaker 1: Jaguars General manager at Senior Bowl in Mobile. That was
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Welcome Pack, Jaguars Happy Hour. J P. Shadrick
Speaker 1: in studio, Tony Buselli on the line with us from
Speaker 1: Minneapolis in Asota. Jeff Lackerman is not here somewhere else
Speaker 1: so'll be back next week and Ashlan Sullivan coming up
Speaker 1: next segment to discuss the Pro Bowl in Orlando this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you heard from the GM there, Tony Um. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously needs can change over the next couple of months
Speaker 1: when the free agency and you start trimming as we
Speaker 1: talked about there. If you if you start trimming salary down,
Speaker 1: then that opens up some more needs for you. That's
Speaker 1: why you gotta know everybody at the Senior Bowl. Get
Speaker 1: some base and for not that they don't already, but
Speaker 1: the part of this week is scouts trying to talk
Speaker 1: or it may at least make contact with everybody on
Speaker 1: both sides and mobile. That's a lot of conversations in
Speaker 1: the hallway in that hotel room. Yeah, but it's a
Speaker 1: great opportunity. You gotta be around some of these guys,
Speaker 1: and some of these guys are gonna be top players,
Speaker 1: you know, first, second, third rounders, and you get to
Speaker 1: do extra work on them. You gotta see him in
Speaker 1: live action competing as other guys. You get to see
Speaker 1: how they interact with coaches, how they handle coaching. Um,
Speaker 1: you see him away from the field, and so if
Speaker 1: this is valuable time to do your work. Now it's
Speaker 1: just part of the story. Obviously, UM their game tape
Speaker 1: that they have during the season, all the way through
Speaker 1: the combine information, the medical that you're gonna get and
Speaker 1: then the guys you really want to see some more
Speaker 1: of is that you'll do. Uh, You'll invite him to
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and do an in person interview on site. So
Speaker 1: this is simply just part of the information but it's
Speaker 1: a valuable piece and you've got to start doing your
Speaker 1: homework from day one on these guys. Um, you're investing
Speaker 1: a lot, and we've talked about it on this show
Speaker 1: that you need to get the draft right. Uh and
Speaker 1: this year as much as anything, you have to two
Speaker 1: first rounders. You have I think, what is the three
Speaker 1: picks in the first forty um, and so you need
Speaker 1: to get those right because this is how you build
Speaker 1: the foundation of young players where you don't have to
Speaker 1: be dependent in the future and free agency and how
Speaker 1: you build the championship football team is in the draft,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and this is critical for that we
Speaker 1: get this right. Well, we'll touch on some more of
Speaker 1: the things that Dave discussed this week in just a
Speaker 1: few minutes here, but let's continue on the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: talk and some of the the top standout players at
Speaker 1: least at practices this week. As you would imagine, Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: the quarterback from Oregon, UM shows well on the practice field. Tony.
Speaker 1: I'll say that big arm um, big name throughout the year,
Speaker 1: and now that the pre draft process is here, I
Speaker 1: think his stock will only continue to rise. You look
Speaker 1: pretty good this week. How is his accuracy, because the
Speaker 1: big knock on Justin Herbert at Oregon is his accuracy.
Speaker 1: He's big, he's athletic, he has a big arm, big
Speaker 1: arm um. He has all those qualities that you love
Speaker 1: about him. But there's been some accuras issues. If you
Speaker 1: accuracy issues. As you watch the tape of him playing
Speaker 1: in Or, I will say that I didn't see a
Speaker 1: lot of the team periods each day the first two days.
Speaker 1: But against Air, I mean, obviously the balls on target,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty accurate on Air two. I think we all,
Speaker 1: most of us are. Yeah, when he gets into live
Speaker 1: situation where there's a rush around him, there's defenders are
Speaker 1: out there, is you know how what's his accuracy like?
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be something that needs to be looked at.
Speaker 1: But he is a real real deal. He's a real prospect.
Speaker 1: And in Jeff and I have talked about it on
Speaker 1: the show that we feel like you need to look
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I don't think that is a you know,
Speaker 1: Gardner Vinchew has submitted themselves as the future at that position.
Speaker 1: Nick Folds is still in the roster. We wait and
Speaker 1: see what happens there. I think there will be a
Speaker 1: competition between the two of them. Um, however, I think
Speaker 1: Gardner as a lead right now. So you still all
Speaker 1: that to be said. You need to do work on
Speaker 1: this quarterback class. And if Justin Herbert is a guy
Speaker 1: that you feel like is a franchise quarterback that can
Speaker 1: win you a Super Bowl, that he is one of
Speaker 1: those guys that can lead a franchise by putting him
Speaker 1: on his back because of his skill set, his makeup
Speaker 1: and everything else, then I think you have to take
Speaker 1: an honest look at picking. You know, do you pick
Speaker 1: him at number line because I think what we see
Speaker 1: look at the look at the Kansas City Chiefs. The
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs had Alex Smith, who was a playoff
Speaker 1: caliber quarterback, was one of the highest rated quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the NFL, you know, top ten, maybe even top five.
Speaker 1: The year they picked Patrick Mahomes and they went from
Speaker 1: twenty seven to ten because they had a conviction that
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes would be a guy, the guy franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: they can lead them to championships. And and what has
Speaker 1: he done since he's been there. He's led them to
Speaker 1: two a C championships And now to a sorry about that.
Speaker 1: The camera slide a little bit, uh and and now
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl and so, but they had a conviction.
Speaker 1: They went from twenty seven to ten. They gave up
Speaker 1: future draft capital, they gave up first rounders. Well, if
Speaker 1: you're the Jacksville Jaguars, and if you think that Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert is one of those type of guys, I don't
Speaker 1: care if what you think about you know, you have
Speaker 1: unknowns about Gardner Mitchell. You have to pick that guy.
Speaker 1: The question that will come up, and I think Justin
Speaker 1: Herbert addressed it a little bit in his press conference
Speaker 1: time earlier this week in Mobile. It was on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: was the media day. Um was that he's not he's
Speaker 1: kind of quiet. You know, he's not a vocal raw
Speaker 1: ra guy. And a lot of times NFL people want
Speaker 1: that kind of leadership, especially out of a quarterback, a
Speaker 1: guy who's gonna get everybody going on the right place.
Speaker 1: He didn't really seem to have that fire, but it
Speaker 1: sounds like he's you know, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: you can work on that now, but um, how you
Speaker 1: approach the interview sessions and everything moving ahead, that can adjust,
Speaker 1: you know, leading up to the draft. But I think
Speaker 1: that's something that will come up over the next couple
Speaker 1: of months. Where do you where are you on that,
Speaker 1: especially with a quarterback who may not be the most talkative,
Speaker 1: who might be a little quiet behind the scenes, Does
Speaker 1: that equate to anything for you? Absolute lutely. I think
Speaker 1: leadership is a critical portion part of that position. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't just want a great leader but he can't
Speaker 1: throw the ball, that he can't play quarterback. I mean
Speaker 1: that was the big thing with Tim Tebow. And he's
Speaker 1: coming out one of the great college quarterbacks, a top
Speaker 1: hundred fifty all time player in college football, amazing football player,
Speaker 1: and one of the great leaders to ever play the
Speaker 1: game of football to college football at that level. And
Speaker 1: a lot of people said, you need to pick Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow because he's a leader, and don't worry about his accuracy,
Speaker 1: don't worry about his throwing motion, don't worry about his
Speaker 1: efficiency in the passing game because he's a leader. Well,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's a piece of it. But you
Speaker 1: better have the leadership and the skill set. You need
Speaker 1: both if you want to be a great quarterback. Now,
Speaker 1: you can lead different ways. Not everyone has to be
Speaker 1: in your face, yelling, raw rod cheer leader type of guy. Um,
Speaker 1: there's effective ways of lead and and the question is
Speaker 1: is Justin Herbert a leader? That's the question you have
Speaker 1: to answer. Not you know, his style is one thing.
Speaker 1: Everyone has different styles to lead and football and business
Speaker 1: and families, whatever it is. But is he a leader?
Speaker 1: Do guys follow him? Is he influential? Does he move
Speaker 1: the needle? However he does it? And that's what you
Speaker 1: have to kind of discern through the interview process. Another
Speaker 1: name that kept popping up this week was Javon Kinlaw,
Speaker 1: the South Carolina defensive lineman, and some tendonitis flared up
Speaker 1: in his knee apparently, I think today, so he shut
Speaker 1: it down the rest of the week. Um. Great football players,
Speaker 1: six ft six pounds, big body, and his press conference
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, I believe on Monday evening when
Speaker 1: he spoke with a big group, it was really fascinating
Speaker 1: because he came up from a really tough background and
Speaker 1: worked his way up and he has the confidence that
Speaker 1: you need to. He wants to be the best defensive
Speaker 1: tackle of all time. And then you say all those things,
Speaker 1: but there was a little something extra about him and
Speaker 1: obviously stopping and run, having big bodies in the middle
Speaker 1: up front is something that this football team for the
Speaker 1: Jaguars might need moving ahead, especially if Marcel Darius has gone,
Speaker 1: which it it feels like that could be. Another guy
Speaker 1: who was walking around the Senior Bowl but was not
Speaker 1: participating was Derek Brown. He was in attendance, not officially,
Speaker 1: but he was in the lobby of the hotel with
Speaker 1: the Rosenhaus brothers doing some business in the lobby this week.
Speaker 1: So uh, there were a lot of big name defensive
Speaker 1: tackles around Mobile Tony this week, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good group if you look at the top
Speaker 1: of that group in this class. Yeah, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting there at nine with a good chance maybe
Speaker 1: to get one of those guys. And I think, and listen,
Speaker 1: we've talked about in at length. You gotta build the lines.
Speaker 1: You gotta control the line of scrimmage. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can win in this league without controlling the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Now how you controlled is you can
Speaker 1: do it different ways. When you look at the San
Speaker 1: Francisco forty and Iris were in the Super Bowl, they
Speaker 1: have a strong offen the line. They think have three
Speaker 1: or four first rounders. They've invested in it. They run
Speaker 1: the ball, their physical, they're good play acts and pass team.
Speaker 1: They protect and they have the best defensive line of football.
Speaker 1: They're dominant and I think they have four first rounders
Speaker 1: on that side. So they've invested heavily on their lines
Speaker 1: and it's gotten them to a championship. Um, you look
Speaker 1: at the Kansas City Chiefs, um, they've done a little
Speaker 1: bit different. They have a good offensive line, but they're
Speaker 1: more finesse. They control it by the style they play.
Speaker 1: But they protect patriwick go Homes and you watch you
Speaker 1: look at games where Mahomes is struggled, is because they
Speaker 1: can't protect them. When Eric Fisher was out, Cam Irving
Speaker 1: was their left tackle. He couldn't protect mahomes production and
Speaker 1: their productions and offense went down. So you have to
Speaker 1: be able to protect. That's how the Kansas Chiefs do it.
Speaker 1: One of the big achilles heels of the of the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: and especially when Chris Jones was out. He was back
Speaker 1: last week for they have the championship. They were a
Speaker 1: different team. Is they struggled to stop the run early
Speaker 1: in the year. They were I mean, here's a great
Speaker 1: statistic for the Chiefs. There are four and four in
Speaker 1: the first eight games, and they were giving up I
Speaker 1: believe it was a hundred and forty five yards a game.
Speaker 1: Since then, any game under uh they gave up under
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten yards and maybe it wasn't four
Speaker 1: or four, but any game they gave up under a
Speaker 1: hundred ten yards rushing they were undefeated. Over rushing yards
Speaker 1: they were four and for And so you look at
Speaker 1: the difference and you look how much better that defense
Speaker 1: has gotten because they've controlled the line scrimage, have stopped
Speaker 1: the run, and they've changed who they are defensively. So
Speaker 1: we have to be able to control the line of scrimage.
Speaker 1: That means outside the quarterback, which is the most important.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to block people and you
Speaker 1: have to be able to stop people from running, and
Speaker 1: you have to affect the quarterback. Where the two groups
Speaker 1: that you do that with is your offensive line slash
Speaker 1: tight end. We've talked about the importance of getting it
Speaker 1: tied at here and the defensive line. We saw a
Speaker 1: weakness there that we we we had some weaknesses there
Speaker 1: this year, and so I think you have to invest
Speaker 1: inside out. You have to invest in big people. And
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good it's a pretty good class. You
Speaker 1: just talked about a couple of the guys on the
Speaker 1: defense tackle. I haven't done a lot of homework, just
Speaker 1: watching them on TV this year, and you can see
Speaker 1: how good they are on TV. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: looking at the film. Um. But it's also a deep
Speaker 1: draft for tackles, offensive tackles maybe, so those tackles can
Speaker 1: be slid into guards that were college tackles. So there's
Speaker 1: an opportunity for this team to get there's an opportunity
Speaker 1: for this team to get better on both lines. We
Speaker 1: ask you this, since you brought up the tackles position.
Speaker 1: Can Cam Robinson play guard? I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: never seen him do it. Um, he's probably never seen
Speaker 1: He's never seen him do it either, I don't think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you don't know, Kenny, how does he handle short space, quickness,
Speaker 1: quick reaction, everything's on top of you quicker from guards
Speaker 1: prepared to tackle. A lot of guys have been very
Speaker 1: good guards, I mean very good tackles in the college.
Speaker 1: It became all pro guards. Zack Martin for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is one of them. He's a tackling college I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like he had the athletic ability to play that
Speaker 1: UM in space in the pros and moving to right
Speaker 1: guard one of the best guards in football. So there
Speaker 1: is a pathway for that. UM. I think it would
Speaker 1: not surprise me at all if the Jaguars pick at
Speaker 1: left tackle UH in the draft this year and and
Speaker 1: then figure out where you put Cam and see if
Speaker 1: he can compete for a starting john. That's the trick, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you move him to guard and have
Speaker 1: him compete, that means you know you're either nor Well
Speaker 1: is gonna be gone or Can's gonna be gone. Right
Speaker 1: those are the starting guards right now, or or Cam
Speaker 1: doesn't beat them out, and Cam's a backup okay, and
Speaker 1: he's just hanging out. There's a backup swing guy, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think any of us would disagree
Speaker 1: that we need to get better at at the offensive line.
Speaker 1: I think we need to be better at left tackle. UM. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't let Cam compete at left tackle.
Speaker 1: He's coming off in a c L. You know, as
Speaker 1: a year under his belt. UM, hopefully that he'll be
Speaker 1: able to think a step forward. But I think what
Speaker 1: we've seen is a consistent technique and footwork issues from
Speaker 1: the day he showed up here that have continued and
Speaker 1: become a habit, and regardless of how his knee feels,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to change those habits. Let's let's touch
Speaker 1: on some of the things Dave called well Jaguars general
Speaker 1: manager discussed earlier this week in an interview on Jaguars
Speaker 1: dot com. He was in Mobile this week, and you know,
Speaker 1: the number one priority, he said in that press conference
Speaker 1: right after the end of the season, after they were
Speaker 1: both announced that Dave and Doug were both coming back.
Speaker 1: The number one priority was unique in Gotway and he
Speaker 1: still sounded confident that he could get the deal done
Speaker 1: and in Goqua would be a Jaguar. But then in Gotway.
Speaker 1: Over the next couple of days after that, as sent
Speaker 1: a few cryptic tweets out Tony. One of those master
Speaker 1: of my Fate. The next one after that interview came
Speaker 1: out was don't believe everything you hear later that day
Speaker 1: one word free and then uh in a response to
Speaker 1: Robert Mathis. At one point, um he said, a new chapter.
Speaker 1: So the unique sounds like, you know, if you if
Speaker 1: you're following tweets, which is a dangerous thing to do
Speaker 1: because you never know which path this is going to
Speaker 1: go down. Um, it sounds like he thinks he's going
Speaker 1: to be a free agent. There's he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a He's not gonna be a free agent. I would
Speaker 1: be shocked if he's a free agent. I think the
Speaker 1: worst case scenario for him, which is you know, not
Speaker 1: great for him, is he's gonna be franchised. Best case
Speaker 1: scenario from him is he gets a long term deal
Speaker 1: and he gets what he wants. Um. You know, as
Speaker 1: far as Twitter and social media this time of year,
Speaker 1: I don't care, and I love you on I think
Speaker 1: he's a great player, and I think he's really a pro,
Speaker 1: and you want him on your team. But I don't
Speaker 1: care what the social media says because it's cryptic people,
Speaker 1: you know. I think, me included, he spent way much
Speaker 1: too much time on the day on social media and
Speaker 1: you say things and you put things out and who
Speaker 1: knows what it means, especially the way you guys communicate nowadays.
Speaker 1: So we'll wait and see. Um. The reality is the
Speaker 1: leverage right now is with the Jaguars because they have
Speaker 1: the franchise, Tech and Caldwell. This week, another obviously hot
Speaker 1: button topic is the quarterback positions. He didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot new to add to that this week, you know
Speaker 1: when I asked his status of his quarterback room here.
Speaker 1: But um, you know, in time, we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with that. If they do, you think they'll shop Fols.
Speaker 1: Do you what's gonna happen with that position? If you
Speaker 1: had to pick it right now? January, I both are back.
Speaker 1: I think they're both competing. I think going in gardnerment,
Speaker 1: she has a leg up. I just don't see anyone
Speaker 1: trading for Nick Foles' contract. Um, now do the Jaguars
Speaker 1: say if we trade and I don't know the cap
Speaker 1: ramifications JP, if we trade them, obviously, if we cut them,
Speaker 1: it's thirty four million dollars of dead money. If you
Speaker 1: trade him, could you trade him to a team that
Speaker 1: is looking for a guy to compete for the starting job,
Speaker 1: and they take his CAP number and you the Jaguars
Speaker 1: pay a significant piece of his salary, and so you
Speaker 1: get him off the books. And we'd have to ask
Speaker 1: Tim Walsh or uh or someone in one of the
Speaker 1: cap exper's exactly what a trade trigger is compared to
Speaker 1: being cut. But if you're able to get the cap
Speaker 1: relief you wanted and trade him. Would you be willing
Speaker 1: to pay if his base salary is million dollars next year,
Speaker 1: are you willing to pay eighteen of it? Uh to
Speaker 1: trade him? Now? You could make the case that that
Speaker 1: makes sense because you free up the cap. You already
Speaker 1: owe it to him no matter what, So why not
Speaker 1: just pay it to him, Let him go beyond another team,
Speaker 1: and you free up the cap room and you can
Speaker 1: move on and build build out your roster um. So that,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the ones in area I think you
Speaker 1: could kind of look at. But you have to find
Speaker 1: the trading partner that basically says, we're okay taking the
Speaker 1: cap pip. We have plenty of cap room, and we
Speaker 1: feel like Nick Foles can compete for the starting job
Speaker 1: and help us win. Who that team is, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows who it is. But I think that's the
Speaker 1: only chance you have of seeing Nick Foles not here.
Speaker 1: What if that's the Jaguars, What if it just they
Speaker 1: just let it ride. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think I think most likely the scenario is gonna be
Speaker 1: is he's gonna be on this roster and then what
Speaker 1: if he comes out like last traded camp and and
Speaker 1: lights it up and looks ten times better than Gardner. Well,
Speaker 1: then we have a problem. Do you mean problem? Well, no, no,
Speaker 1: when I say a problem, then you have the controversy.
Speaker 1: You have a quarterback controversy of fans and we want
Speaker 1: Martin Minshew, we want Folds, and you go back and forth,
Speaker 1: and then the question is, at the first sign of
Speaker 1: trouble for Folds, do you have a team that's bounced
Speaker 1: back and forth between quarterbacks, which in the history of
Speaker 1: the NFL has not really worked very well. It's amazing
Speaker 1: how how fast that happened last year in training camp
Speaker 1: and the preseason and all that free agency. Nick Foles
Speaker 1: is coming. This is unbelievable. Wow, He's gone to two
Speaker 1: playoffs and it was a Super Bowl m v P
Speaker 1: and it was everybody loved him. And he gets hurt
Speaker 1: on the eleventh play and then men's humania happens. And
Speaker 1: then here comes Folds back off the bench and loses
Speaker 1: two games, it gets pulled out of another at halftime.
Speaker 1: And now you asked Jaguar fans and they want him
Speaker 1: out of town, a lot of them, which is that's
Speaker 1: a that's a fast turnaround. Yeah, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: little bit ridiculous JP in my opinion. I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy played two and a half games and and was
Speaker 1: hurt and had all kinds of issues. UM, So I
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, to be honest with you, UM,
Speaker 1: it's due to this though I actually do understand that
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. It's just it's unfortunate if you're
Speaker 1: Nick Foles. What it was is the hype of Nick
Speaker 1: Foles excitement. It was clear he was the better quarterback
Speaker 1: in training camp between him and Minshew. He's your starter.
Speaker 1: There's no questions. Heck, there's half the people. And I
Speaker 1: believe if he gave truth certain to the people in
Speaker 1: the building that they were looking to possibly cut Minshew
Speaker 1: and put him on practice squad or something and try
Speaker 1: to go get a veteran. Um. I don't think he
Speaker 1: was unanimous. Everyone thought that Minshew was to get back up.
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you there was no one in that
Speaker 1: building said, hey, Minshew could be the future franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: of this organization. UM. I don't buy that. But what
Speaker 1: happened is he came in and he excelled for a rookie,
Speaker 1: especially he wildly out performed any expectations, so it even
Speaker 1: feels better because of how far he outperformed the expectations.
Speaker 1: So now there's this excitement, there's this momentum and everything else.
Speaker 1: And when Folds comes back in and it goes as
Speaker 1: bad as it does, that's why you have this really
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Diane, you know, just a die
Speaker 1: a bollicles shift like just unbelievable, like off the chart
Speaker 1: shift from how we feel about foals and and how
Speaker 1: we feel about minsh you because of how much Folds
Speaker 1: underperformed compared to expectations, meants you overperformed compared to expectations.
Speaker 1: So it widens the gulf. And that's why we sit
Speaker 1: where we do today. Now, what's all that said. I'm
Speaker 1: not convinced that Nick Foles can't do it because that
Speaker 1: would mean what all of us saw on training camp
Speaker 1: was make believe what happened we sat there and launched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Now. What I do believe is
Speaker 1: that in today's NFL, you're I think you need to
Speaker 1: have an athletic, globile quarterback. Not it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be to the extent of Lamar Jackson, but you need
Speaker 1: a guy who can move in the pocket and make
Speaker 1: plays with his legs. Meant you was better at that
Speaker 1: than Nick Foles. And so it's gonna be really an
Speaker 1: interesting journey. Um and see how this plays out, and
Speaker 1: you know, and then you have the whole thing with
Speaker 1: with Jake Gruden and what kind of system does he
Speaker 1: come in and who who fits better? So it's a
Speaker 1: wait and see. I think Mitch you as the edge,
Speaker 1: and I think if the Jaguars could find a trading
Speaker 1: partner that took his cap number, they're probably willing to
Speaker 1: pay a big portion of his salary just to get
Speaker 1: him off the cap. We're back in a moment, Tony,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hear from a Hall of Fame defensive
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Speaker 1: and and very flexible with the organization aspect of it.
Speaker 1: So between him and the coaching staff and the personnel staff,
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Speaker 1: Dave called Will Jaguars General manager at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: this week. Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy our GP, Shadrick Tony Buselly. Uh.
Speaker 1: That's another thing we haven't really touched on in this
Speaker 1: show yet, but it's gonna be a topic, I think,
Speaker 1: at least early in this off season. Is the strategy
Speaker 1: moving ahead a collective front from the organization, scouting, coaching
Speaker 1: that it wasn't happening before is of note, which it
Speaker 1: makes me laugh. JP. We talked about this last week.
Speaker 1: Every time I hear that, and I'm glad they're doing it,
Speaker 1: it's maybe I'm maybe I'm crazy, but I'm shocked that
Speaker 1: that's not how they were doing it before. I mean,
Speaker 1: every organization that I know of, and I don't it's
Speaker 1: not like I'm intimate with every organization, but like that's
Speaker 1: just how it works. Like how do you build a
Speaker 1: roster without buy in from your coaching staff. It's interesting,
Speaker 1: Like the way it should be is like the coaching
Speaker 1: staff says, this is the style we're gonna play, this
Speaker 1: is the profile of the players we want and that
Speaker 1: we need to win football games, and it's the job
Speaker 1: of the GM and the scouts to go get those
Speaker 1: guys into working collaboration with the coaching staff. Which sounds
Speaker 1: like that's what they're doing now. But why was that
Speaker 1: not happening before? But I guess what And it's a
Speaker 1: good question, it's a fair question. But at the same
Speaker 1: time time, I guess it doesn't matter at this point. UM,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they got it right. So hopefully we
Speaker 1: see a difference and a good change in that, UM
Speaker 1: we get a going and that's it's not too late
Speaker 1: in the sense of not too late overall. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: not too late over all. You can rebuild and do it.
Speaker 1: But I think for this group, you know, this is
Speaker 1: a really important year, and I hope it's not too
Speaker 1: late for UM, this group that they can figure out
Speaker 1: and rebuild the roster and and get us to a
Speaker 1: point as an organization that we're in the playoffs next
Speaker 1: year and we're fighting and h we're in the tournament
Speaker 1: because once you get in the tournament, you have a
Speaker 1: chance to go to the the super Bowl, and that's what
Speaker 1: everyone's playing for. Well, here from Ashvin Sullivan coming up
Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. We'll go over her visit
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. Here from a couple of the
Speaker 1: Jaguars players and a Hall of Fame defensive lineman who
Speaker 1: played against you, Tony. That's coming up, But first, let's
Speaker 1: recap the championship games from last week. The Chiefs over
Speaker 1: the Titans of the FC Championship game the final. Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes was spectacular in that football game, Tony, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did that game, and um, he is a great player.
Speaker 1: I mean, for my money, he's the best quarterback in football. Now.
Speaker 1: He didn't have the best year. Lamar Jackson had the
Speaker 1: best year at that position, and I think he's the
Speaker 1: m v P and he deserves it. He was fabulous
Speaker 1: this year. But the best quarterback, I would argue, the
Speaker 1: best football player, um is Patrick Holmes. And from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of imagine if you said, Okay, we're disbanding the
Speaker 1: NFL and we're creating a new football league, and there's
Speaker 1: thirty two teams, and every player goes into the draft,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have, you know, all these rounds and
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick who would be the first overall pick
Speaker 1: of every team that's pretty darn close to Mahomet. I
Speaker 1: can't take him another guy. Who else would you pick
Speaker 1: besides Patrick Mahomes to build your team around. I mean,
Speaker 1: he could do it all. He is the best player.
Speaker 1: JP is fabulous. Um. But the biggest story to be
Speaker 1: the biggest story of that game, though, was just the
Speaker 1: awful and confusing, in mind head scratching, mind bending strategy
Speaker 1: of the Tennessee Titans who decided to only give the
Speaker 1: hottest running back in the NFL, who's carried them to
Speaker 1: the playoffs, three carries in the second half. And everyone says, well,
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter they were down to possessions. Who cares?
Speaker 1: They were down to possessions to the same team, the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. They got the ball ten and a
Speaker 1: half minutes or ten fifteen left in the game. Do
Speaker 1: you know what they did? Out of eleven plays, they
Speaker 1: ran it ten times and they scored, and they got
Speaker 1: the ball back and they scored, and they won the
Speaker 1: football game. And this time they didn't run it coming
Speaker 1: out at halftime. Then with fourteen minutes left, down eleven,
Speaker 1: they threw it five straight times and that was it.
Speaker 1: And then now they're down three possessions and now they're
Speaker 1: chasing their tail, holding on for dear life, trying to
Speaker 1: get back into it. But to give Derrick Henry three
Speaker 1: Russians in the second half. I gotta believe that Mike Rabel,
Speaker 1: who did a great job this year, and Arthur Smith,
Speaker 1: the coordinator, who did a fabulous job this year, but
Speaker 1: are kicking themselves as they watched that tape and review
Speaker 1: it and saying, how do we allow this to happen? Um,
Speaker 1: they're great coaches, they're outstanding coaches. They had great they
Speaker 1: had a great year. The Titans did, but that was
Speaker 1: I said it. During the middle of the game. I
Speaker 1: kept on saying, Yep, here they go. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: to They're gonna go to Derrick Henry, and they never
Speaker 1: did in the second half. Some quick thoughts about the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. The forty Niners over the Packers thirty
Speaker 1: seven and twenty. Jimmy Raffalo through the ball eight times
Speaker 1: in the game. They dominated on the ground, Tony Yeah.
Speaker 1: When when when the Packers decided they didn't want to
Speaker 1: tackle the forty night and running backs and they were
Speaker 1: going to play two hand touch until you got ten
Speaker 1: yards down the field. Why wouldn't you throw it right? Um,
Speaker 1: So what's the point of throwing the football? You're more
Speaker 1: productive running the ball um less risk. And the game
Speaker 1: actually went pretty much how I thought it was. I
Speaker 1: thought the Forts would dominate the Packers. They dominated them
Speaker 1: during the regular season, they dominated them during the playoffs.
Speaker 1: This playoff game, the championship game, I did not think
Speaker 1: that would be a close game. I thought the better
Speaker 1: game was the Chiefs and the Tenants and the Titans
Speaker 1: going in. It ended up being, Um, the Packers where
Speaker 1: they were thirteen and three this year the regular season, one,
Speaker 1: a playoff game, but they were I think a pretty
Speaker 1: soft thirteen and three team in my opinion. Let's come back.
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Speaker 1: Tony Boselli, and Ashland Sullivan joins us in studio. What's
Speaker 1: how's it going? It's going. Yes, everybody's back from back
Speaker 1: in the office. We got back from Mobile a few
Speaker 1: minutes ago. You got back from Orlando a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: I might have gotten over the speed limit to get
Speaker 1: back here, but don't tell anyone I said that I
Speaker 1: sent a land speed record from Mobile to Jacksonville to
Speaker 1: day I think on gotta what you gotta do. Um,
Speaker 1: you were Pro Bowl this week and there were three
Speaker 1: Jaguars at the Pro Bowl this week, and Klarius has
Speaker 1: done this thing before. But the other two guys, Josh
Speaker 1: Allen and DJ Chark, it's their first girl round. How
Speaker 1: is everybody feeling? Pretty goods five time Pro Bowler, he
Speaker 1: gets it, he understands, and throughout the entire season he
Speaker 1: was really harping on Josh Allen making it. I mean
Speaker 1: multiple times he was saying, you know, Josh, don't brag
Speaker 1: on yourself. Let others brag for you. And he was
Speaker 1: the one bragging for him. So for Josh Allen and
Speaker 1: d J Chark just like giddy kid in a candy store,
Speaker 1: so happy to be there. D J. Chark was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, eight touchdowns over a thousand yards on the season,
Speaker 1: but the Pro Bowl really makes it a season that
Speaker 1: he will remember. I think I think the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: put it over the top. I told him myself, if
Speaker 1: I was going to try to get a thousand yards, Um,
Speaker 1: I didn't even have an ideal on the testdowns, but
Speaker 1: I think the Pro Bowl definitely like solidifieder. Look those shades, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and what a hear he had. I mean for a
Speaker 1: guy who on the offensive side didn't really have much
Speaker 1: going last year, big on the special team side, certainly, Tony.
Speaker 1: For him to break out and play like he did
Speaker 1: this year with the offense as inconsistent as it was,
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a year Tony for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he did it missing the game too. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget the angle injury that we missed one game and
Speaker 1: then was slowed up the second game. I mean the
Speaker 1: first game he came back, so that's two games. Really
Speaker 1: you didn't have the production that you were used to seeing.
Speaker 1: So he pretty much did that in the fourteen game season.
Speaker 1: He was outstanding. He took a huge jump from a
Speaker 1: year one to year two. That's what you want from
Speaker 1: your young players, Like you know that there's gonna be
Speaker 1: growing pains as a rookie. You're figuring it out, especially
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. That can be a tough
Speaker 1: adjustment because of the how to win against top end corners,
Speaker 1: how to beat press coverage, how to have really concise
Speaker 1: uh route running um So it could be tough, he
Speaker 1: earned his stripes, he played special teams, and then he
Speaker 1: came out I didn't this comment. I'll be office ye um.
Speaker 1: But he was dynamic. He was a big play guy,
Speaker 1: and he had a great year. And I'm really excited
Speaker 1: for him that he ended up making the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: Let's see what the future holds for him too. It
Speaker 1: seems bright for him and the Jaguars offense. You know,
Speaker 1: when you walk around a Pro Bowl practice, you never
Speaker 1: really know who you're gonna see. And you're obviously gonna
Speaker 1: see some Pro bowler is your Pro Bowl practice, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna see you might see some former Pro bowlers too,
Speaker 1: and a guy who's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: You had a chance to catch up with one of
Speaker 1: those guys this week too, Yes, Hall of Fame defensive
Speaker 1: end Bruce Smith. He was talking to Josh Allen and
Speaker 1: Calais Cambell. They were on a little group together. Everyone
Speaker 1: was like, you gotta go talk to him. So when
Speaker 1: Shuck shook his hand, suck the microphone in. We talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Josh Allen and Calais Cambel, but we
Speaker 1: also had to sneak in a question about our co
Speaker 1: host Tony Boselli. Well, Tony is a stud. Uh, he
Speaker 1: was a stud. I think I played against him all
Speaker 1: three times and and uh he gave me all that
Speaker 1: I can handle. That that that's for sure. So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for Tony. I understand the dynamics of the
Speaker 1: voting process and in him having a short career. Uh,
Speaker 1: and his body of work wasn't necessarily complete. But while
Speaker 1: he was healthy. Uh, during that era of football, there
Speaker 1: was there was none better. It's notables, certainly, Um, Tony,
Speaker 1: because I don't think that Bruce Smith on the record
Speaker 1: has said anything close to that about you. So it's
Speaker 1: nicest thing I've ever heard Bruce say about me, whether
Speaker 1: it's while we were playing against each other and shared
Speaker 1: words or post career. So listen, Bruce Smith, is you know,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about the best pass rushers in
Speaker 1: the history of the game, Bruce Smith is, you know,
Speaker 1: right there with Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor. Uh, he's all
Speaker 1: time sack leader. Um, he did it for a long time.
Speaker 1: Multiple Defensive Player of the Year guy. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: dominant and he was a great player and and uh,
Speaker 1: just hear him say I gave him all he could handle. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big compliment. He gave me a bunch
Speaker 1: of you know, it was no easy day at the
Speaker 1: beach trying to block the guy. Um. He was a
Speaker 1: great player, uh and played you know, run pass, you
Speaker 1: could do it all. And so to have someone like that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty uh. I'll be honestly, it's it's
Speaker 1: really cool and it's UM means a lot. I always said,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I want to make the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame and it's the huge, biggest um individual on or
Speaker 1: in sports that I've ever had. Obviously it's datingly obvious.
Speaker 1: But to hear when your fears talk about you guys
Speaker 1: you played against guys who know UM, and just have
Speaker 1: people like that like Bruce Smith say something that he
Speaker 1: just did is uh, pretty amazing, pretty amazing, And he's right, listen,
Speaker 1: I got hurt career short. We'll see how the voters
Speaker 1: uh um kind of process that again for the fourth
Speaker 1: time as a finalist. But to have a guy like
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith say that, and you know, Jason Taylor wrote
Speaker 1: a letter as well that was pretty cool. And those
Speaker 1: guys are both all of famers, so that means a lot.
Speaker 1: I won't lie. Tony. When I went up there and
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna ask you about Tony Bosella, he kind
Speaker 1: of just gave me like a look like he kind
Speaker 1: of just smirked and looked at me. I was like,
Speaker 1: I guess that means, yes, we're going with it. I'm
Speaker 1: glad Aston. I give you credit because Bruce is can
Speaker 1: be an intimidating, intimidating dude. And uh, yeah, I won't lie,
Speaker 1: he was. Thank you. Yeah, I needed it. I needed
Speaker 1: some encouragement and get in there. We did. Like that
Speaker 1: you didn't back down. I love it. Show some that
Speaker 1: shows some grit. That's why. That's why you're great at
Speaker 1: what you do. I love it. Thank you, Tony. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. He was very nice, nice guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the hoopla was about. Good guy. We had.
Speaker 1: You know, we had some pretty big battles and uh,
Speaker 1: you didn't know is appreciate I think the way I
Speaker 1: blocked him and maybe I might have taken and past
Speaker 1: the whistle a few times, and I know he didn't
Speaker 1: appreciate that as well. A time or two or three
Speaker 1: or four. Great one man he was. I had to
Speaker 1: go past the whistle. To try to get him frustrated,
Speaker 1: because if I just played the normal game, he's gonna
Speaker 1: embarrass me. So you had to get ide I had
Speaker 1: to get after him. He was that good. Ashton well
Speaker 1: Donald Pro Bowl covers and looking for that on Jaguars
Speaker 1: dot com. In I see that, I'll see you over there,
Speaker 1: Ashton Sullivan with a stick around the Doug Barone Show
Speaker 1: coming up. Tony's back as well. Thank you for watching
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