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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. He's looking for

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Speaker 1: checkdown Jacksonville opening try. It is Thursday, January twenty three.

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Speaker 1: This is Jaguars Happy Hours. And now now Bobile didn't

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on this January J P. Shadrick with

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Speaker 1: Tony Baselli. Jeff Flagaman is in parts unknown. Tony's on

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Speaker 1: I am out of town. I am doing a little

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Speaker 1: It seems like you're always in Minneapolis now, well, just

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Speaker 1: on the show today. Jay Gruden, named the offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: also Jaguars general manager, Pro Bowl Jags three players involved

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Speaker 1: in Orlando this week. Ashland Sullivan was there. She'll present

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Speaker 1: field in Orlando. This week, we'll go around the National

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Speaker 1: Football League as well. Jay Gruden hired as the offensive

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Speaker 1: We'll just wrap your head around this JP he took.

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Speaker 1: He led the Bengals offensively, now Marvin Lus's head coach,

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Speaker 1: the nation's capital. Doug Brown yesterday said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: many hours these coaches spend together. It's a scheme and

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's a piece of it. But you

430
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Speaker 1: better have the leadership and the skill set. You need

431
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Speaker 1: both if you want to be a great quarterback. Now,

432
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Speaker 1: you can lead different ways. Not everyone has to be

433
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Speaker 1: in your face, yelling, raw rod cheer leader type of guy. Um,

434
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: there's effective ways of lead and and the question is

435
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Speaker 1: is Justin Herbert a leader? That's the question you have

436
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: to answer. Not you know, his style is one thing.

437
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: Everyone has different styles to lead and football and business

438
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Speaker 1: and families, whatever it is. But is he a leader?

439
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: Do guys follow him? Is he influential? Does he move

440
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Speaker 1: the needle? However he does it? And that's what you

441
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: have to kind of discern through the interview process. Another

442
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: name that kept popping up this week was Javon Kinlaw,

443
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Speaker 1: the South Carolina defensive lineman, and some tendonitis flared up

444
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: in his knee apparently, I think today, so he shut

445
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Speaker 1: it down the rest of the week. Um. Great football players,

446
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: six ft six pounds, big body, and his press conference

447
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, I believe on Monday evening when

448
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 1: he spoke with a big group, it was really fascinating

449
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: because he came up from a really tough background and

450
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Speaker 1: worked his way up and he has the confidence that

451
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Speaker 1: you need to. He wants to be the best defensive

452
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Speaker 1: tackle of all time. And then you say all those things,

453
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Speaker 1: but there was a little something extra about him and

454
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: obviously stopping and run, having big bodies in the middle

455
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: up front is something that this football team for the

456
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: Jaguars might need moving ahead, especially if Marcel Darius has gone,

457
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: which it it feels like that could be. Another guy

458
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: who was walking around the Senior Bowl but was not

459
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: participating was Derek Brown. He was in attendance, not officially,

460
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Speaker 1: but he was in the lobby of the hotel with

461
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Speaker 1: the Rosenhaus brothers doing some business in the lobby this week.

462
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Speaker 1: So uh, there were a lot of big name defensive

463
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Speaker 1: tackles around Mobile Tony this week, which is, you know,

464
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Speaker 1: it's pretty good group if you look at the top

465
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Speaker 1: of that group in this class. Yeah, and you're gonna

466
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Speaker 1: be sitting there at nine with a good chance maybe

467
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Speaker 1: to get one of those guys. And I think, and listen,

468
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: we've talked about in at length. You gotta build the lines.

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Speaker 1: You gotta control the line of scrimmage. Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can win in this league without controlling the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Now how you controlled is you can

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Speaker 1: do it different ways. When you look at the San

473
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Speaker 1: Francisco forty and Iris were in the Super Bowl, they

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Speaker 1: have a strong offen the line. They think have three

475
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Speaker 1: or four first rounders. They've invested in it. They run

476
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Speaker 1: the ball, their physical, they're good play acts and pass team.

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Speaker 1: They protect and they have the best defensive line of football.

478
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Speaker 1: They're dominant and I think they have four first rounders

479
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Speaker 1: on that side. So they've invested heavily on their lines

480
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Speaker 1: and it's gotten them to a championship. Um, you look

481
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: at the Kansas City Chiefs, um, they've done a little

482
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Speaker 1: bit different. They have a good offensive line, but they're

483
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Speaker 1: more finesse. They control it by the style they play.

484
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Speaker 1: But they protect patriwick go Homes and you watch you

485
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Speaker 1: look at games where Mahomes is struggled, is because they

486
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Speaker 1: can't protect them. When Eric Fisher was out, Cam Irving

487
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: was their left tackle. He couldn't protect mahomes production and

488
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Speaker 1: their productions and offense went down. So you have to

489
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Speaker 1: be able to protect. That's how the Kansas Chiefs do it.

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Speaker 1: One of the big achilles heels of the of the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: and especially when Chris Jones was out. He was back

492
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Speaker 1: last week for they have the championship. They were a

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Speaker 1: different team. Is they struggled to stop the run early

494
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Speaker 1: in the year. They were I mean, here's a great

495
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Speaker 1: statistic for the Chiefs. There are four and four in

496
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Speaker 1: the first eight games, and they were giving up I

497
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: believe it was a hundred and forty five yards a game.

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: Since then, any game under uh they gave up under

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Speaker 1: a hundred and ten yards and maybe it wasn't four

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00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: or four, but any game they gave up under a

501
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: hundred ten yards rushing they were undefeated. Over rushing yards

502
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: they were four and for And so you look at

503
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: the difference and you look how much better that defense

504
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: has gotten because they've controlled the line scrimage, have stopped

505
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: the run, and they've changed who they are defensively. So

506
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: we have to be able to control the line of scrimage.

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00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: That means outside the quarterback, which is the most important.

508
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: You have to be able to block people and you

509
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: have to be able to stop people from running, and

510
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: you have to affect the quarterback. Where the two groups

511
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Speaker 1: that you do that with is your offensive line slash

512
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Speaker 1: tight end. We've talked about the importance of getting it

513
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: tied at here and the defensive line. We saw a

514
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: weakness there that we we we had some weaknesses there

515
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: this year, and so I think you have to invest

516
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: inside out. You have to invest in big people. And

517
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good it's a pretty good class. You

518
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Speaker 1: just talked about a couple of the guys on the

519
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Speaker 1: defense tackle. I haven't done a lot of homework, just

520
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: watching them on TV this year, and you can see

521
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: how good they are on TV. I'm looking forward to

522
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: looking at the film. Um. But it's also a deep

523
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: draft for tackles, offensive tackles maybe, so those tackles can

524
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Speaker 1: be slid into guards that were college tackles. So there's

525
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity for this team to get there's an opportunity

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Speaker 1: for this team to get better on both lines. We

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Speaker 1: ask you this, since you brought up the tackles position.

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Speaker 1: Can Cam Robinson play guard? I have no idea. I

529
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: never seen him do it. Um, he's probably never seen

530
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Speaker 1: He's never seen him do it either, I don't think. Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: so you don't know, Kenny, how does he handle short space, quickness,

532
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: quick reaction, everything's on top of you quicker from guards

533
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: prepared to tackle. A lot of guys have been very

534
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: good guards, I mean very good tackles in the college.

535
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: It became all pro guards. Zack Martin for the Cowboys

536
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: is one of them. He's a tackling college I didn't

537
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Speaker 1: feel like he had the athletic ability to play that

538
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Speaker 1: UM in space in the pros and moving to right

539
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: guard one of the best guards in football. So there

540
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: is a pathway for that. UM. I think it would

541
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Speaker 1: not surprise me at all if the Jaguars pick at

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Speaker 1: left tackle UH in the draft this year and and

543
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: then figure out where you put Cam and see if

544
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: he can compete for a starting john. That's the trick, right.

545
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if you move him to guard and have

546
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Speaker 1: him compete, that means you know you're either nor Well

547
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be gone or Can's gonna be gone. Right

548
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: those are the starting guards right now, or or Cam

549
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: doesn't beat them out, and Cam's a backup okay, and

550
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: he's just hanging out. There's a backup swing guy, right.

551
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think any of us would disagree

552
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: that we need to get better at at the offensive line.

553
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: I think we need to be better at left tackle. UM. Now,

554
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you don't let Cam compete at left tackle.

555
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: He's coming off in a c L. You know, as

556
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: a year under his belt. UM, hopefully that he'll be

557
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: able to think a step forward. But I think what

558
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: we've seen is a consistent technique and footwork issues from

559
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: the day he showed up here that have continued and

560
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: become a habit, and regardless of how his knee feels,

561
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to change those habits. Let's let's touch

562
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Speaker 1: on some of the things Dave called well Jaguars general

563
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: manager discussed earlier this week in an interview on Jaguars

564
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Speaker 1: dot com. He was in Mobile this week, and you know,

565
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Speaker 1: the number one priority, he said in that press conference

566
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Speaker 1: right after the end of the season, after they were

567
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: both announced that Dave and Doug were both coming back.

568
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: The number one priority was unique in Gotway and he

569
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Speaker 1: still sounded confident that he could get the deal done

570
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: and in Goqua would be a Jaguar. But then in Gotway.

571
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Speaker 1: Over the next couple of days after that, as sent

572
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: a few cryptic tweets out Tony. One of those master

573
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Speaker 1: of my Fate. The next one after that interview came

574
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Speaker 1: out was don't believe everything you hear later that day

575
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Speaker 1: one word free and then uh in a response to

576
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Speaker 1: Robert Mathis. At one point, um he said, a new chapter.

577
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: So the unique sounds like, you know, if you if

578
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: you're following tweets, which is a dangerous thing to do

579
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: because you never know which path this is going to

580
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: go down. Um, it sounds like he thinks he's going

581
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: to be a free agent. There's he's not gonna be

582
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: a He's not gonna be a free agent. I would

583
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: be shocked if he's a free agent. I think the

584
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: worst case scenario for him, which is you know, not

585
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: great for him, is he's gonna be franchised. Best case

586
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: scenario from him is he gets a long term deal

587
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: and he gets what he wants. Um. You know, as

588
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: far as Twitter and social media this time of year,

589
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't care, and I love you on I think

590
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: he's a great player, and I think he's really a pro,

591
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: and you want him on your team. But I don't

592
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,959
Speaker 1: care what the social media says because it's cryptic people,

593
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: you know. I think, me included, he spent way much

594
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: too much time on the day on social media and

595
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: you say things and you put things out and who

596
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: knows what it means, especially the way you guys communicate nowadays.

597
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: So we'll wait and see. Um. The reality is the

598
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: leverage right now is with the Jaguars because they have

599
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: the franchise, Tech and Caldwell. This week, another obviously hot

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00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: button topic is the quarterback positions. He didn't have a

601
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: lot new to add to that this week, you know

602
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: when I asked his status of his quarterback room here.

603
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: But um, you know, in time, we'll see what happens

604
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: with that. If they do, you think they'll shop Fols.

605
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: Do you what's gonna happen with that position? If you

606
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: had to pick it right now? January, I both are back.

607
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: I think they're both competing. I think going in gardnerment,

608
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: she has a leg up. I just don't see anyone

609
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: trading for Nick Foles' contract. Um, now do the Jaguars

610
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: say if we trade and I don't know the cap

611
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: ramifications JP, if we trade them, obviously, if we cut them,

612
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: it's thirty four million dollars of dead money. If you

613
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: trade him, could you trade him to a team that

614
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: is looking for a guy to compete for the starting job,

615
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: and they take his CAP number and you the Jaguars

616
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: pay a significant piece of his salary, and so you

617
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: get him off the books. And we'd have to ask

618
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Tim Walsh or uh or someone in one of the

619
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: cap exper's exactly what a trade trigger is compared to

620
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Speaker 1: being cut. But if you're able to get the cap

621
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Speaker 1: relief you wanted and trade him. Would you be willing

622
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: to pay if his base salary is million dollars next year,

623
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: are you willing to pay eighteen of it? Uh to

624
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: trade him? Now? You could make the case that that

625
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: makes sense because you free up the cap. You already

626
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 1: owe it to him no matter what, So why not

627
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: just pay it to him, Let him go beyond another team,

628
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 1: and you free up the cap room and you can

629
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: move on and build build out your roster um. So that,

630
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the ones in area I think you

631
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: could kind of look at. But you have to find

632
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: the trading partner that basically says, we're okay taking the

633
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: cap pip. We have plenty of cap room, and we

634
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: feel like Nick Foles can compete for the starting job

635
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: and help us win. Who that team is, you know,

636
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: who knows who it is. But I think that's the

637
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: only chance you have of seeing Nick Foles not here.

638
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 1: What if that's the Jaguars, What if it just they

639
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: just let it ride. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I

640
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: think I think most likely the scenario is gonna be

641
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: is he's gonna be on this roster and then what

642
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: if he comes out like last traded camp and and

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Speaker 1: then we have a problem. Do you mean problem? Well, no, no,

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Speaker 1: when I say a problem, then you have the controversy.

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Speaker 1: You have a quarterback controversy of fans and we want

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Speaker 1: Martin Minshew, we want Folds, and you go back and forth,

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Speaker 1: and then the question is, at the first sign of

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Speaker 1: how how fast that happened last year in training camp

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Speaker 1: then here comes Folds back off the bench and loses

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Speaker 1: And now you asked Jaguar fans and they want him

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Speaker 1: a that's a fast turnaround. Yeah, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit ridiculous JP in my opinion. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it, to be honest with you, UM,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that. It's just it's unfortunate if you're

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Speaker 1: There's no questions. Heck, there's half the people. And I

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Speaker 1: believe if he gave truth certain to the people in

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Speaker 1: and put him on practice squad or something and try

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Speaker 1: to go get a veteran. Um. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: was unanimous. Everyone thought that Minshew was to get back up.

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Speaker 1: So now there's this excitement, there's this momentum and everything else.

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Speaker 1: And when Folds comes back in and it goes as

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Speaker 1: So it widens the gulf. And that's why we sit

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Speaker 1: not convinced that Nick Foles can't do it because that

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Speaker 1: would mean what all of us saw on training camp

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Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Now. What I do believe is

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Speaker 1: that in today's NFL, you're I think you need to

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Speaker 1: be to the extent of Lamar Jackson, but you need

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Speaker 1: a guy who can move in the pocket and make

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Speaker 1: plays with his legs. Meant you was better at that

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Speaker 1: interesting journey. Um and see how this plays out, and

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Speaker 1: wait and see. I think Mitch you as the edge,

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Speaker 1: and I think if the Jaguars could find a trading

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Speaker 1: him off the cap. We're back in a moment, Tony,

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Speaker 1: this week. Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy our GP, Shadrick Tony Buselly. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's another thing we haven't really touched on in this

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Speaker 1: Every time I hear that, and I'm glad they're doing it,

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Speaker 1: just how it works. Like how do you build a

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Speaker 1: roster without buy in from your coaching staff. It's interesting,

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Speaker 1: staff says, this is the style we're gonna play, this

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Speaker 1: we need to win football games, and it's the job

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Speaker 1: recap the championship games from last week. The Chiefs over

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Speaker 1: Mahomes was spectacular in that football game, Tony, Yeah, I

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854
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855
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856
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857
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: they threw it five straight times and that was it.

858
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860
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Speaker 1: get back into it. But to give Derrick Henry three

861
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862
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Speaker 1: who did a great job this year, and Arthur Smith,

863
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Speaker 1: the coordinator, who did a fabulous job this year, but

864
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: are kicking themselves as they watched that tape and review

865
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Speaker 1: it and saying, how do we allow this to happen? Um,

866
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: they're great coaches, they're outstanding coaches. They had great they

867
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Speaker 1: had a great year. The Titans did, but that was

868
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: I said it. During the middle of the game. I

869
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870
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Speaker 1: to They're gonna go to Derrick Henry, and they never

871
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Speaker 1: did in the second half. Some quick thoughts about the

872
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. The forty Niners over the Packers thirty

873
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: seven and twenty. Jimmy Raffalo through the ball eight times

874
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: in the game. They dominated on the ground, Tony Yeah.

875
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: When when when the Packers decided they didn't want to

876
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: tackle the forty night and running backs and they were

877
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Speaker 1: going to play two hand touch until you got ten

878
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: yards down the field. Why wouldn't you throw it right? Um,

879
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: So what's the point of throwing the football? You're more

880
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: productive running the ball um less risk. And the game

881
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: actually went pretty much how I thought it was. I

882
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: thought the Forts would dominate the Packers. They dominated them

883
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,160
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884
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Speaker 1: This playoff game, the championship game, I did not think

885
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: that would be a close game. I thought the better

886
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,920
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887
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: going in. It ended up being, Um, the Packers where

888
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: they were thirteen and three this year the regular season, one,

889
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: a playoff game, but they were I think a pretty

890
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: soft thirteen and three team in my opinion. Let's come back.

891
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: Ashton Sullivan joins us in Studio to recap for a

892
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,840
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894
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Speaker 1: how's it going? It's going. Yes, everybody's back from back

951
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Speaker 1: you were Pro Bowl this week and there were three

958
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Speaker 1: Jaguars at the Pro Bowl this week, and Klarius has

959
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: done this thing before. But the other two guys, Josh

960
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: Allen and DJ Chark, it's their first girl round. How

961
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: is everybody feeling? Pretty goods five time Pro Bowler, he

962
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: gets it, he understands, and throughout the entire season he

963
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: was really harping on Josh Allen making it. I mean

964
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: multiple times he was saying, you know, Josh, don't brag

965
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966
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967
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: d J Chark just like giddy kid in a candy store,

968
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: so happy to be there. D J. Chark was saying,

969
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, eight touchdowns over a thousand yards on the season,

970
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: but the Pro Bowl really makes it a season that

971
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: he will remember. I think I think the Pro Bowl

972
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: put it over the top. I told him myself, if

973
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: I was going to try to get a thousand yards, Um,

974
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: I didn't even have an ideal on the testdowns, but

975
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: I think the Pro Bowl definitely like solidifieder. Look those shades, Yeah,

976
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: Oakley sponsor. They all had him Kleis john shallon Anzi jail,

977
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: and what a hear he had. I mean for a

978
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: guy who on the offensive side didn't really have much

979
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: going last year, big on the special team side, certainly, Tony.

980
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: For him to break out and play like he did

981
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: this year with the offense as inconsistent as it was,

982
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a year Tony for him. Yeah,

983
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: and he did it missing the game too. Let's not

984
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: forget the angle injury that we missed one game and

985
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: then was slowed up the second game. I mean the

986
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: first game he came back, so that's two games. Really

987
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: you didn't have the production that you were used to seeing.

988
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: So he pretty much did that in the fourteen game season.

989
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: He was outstanding. He took a huge jump from a

990
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: year one to year two. That's what you want from

991
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: your young players, Like you know that there's gonna be

992
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: growing pains as a rookie. You're figuring it out, especially

993
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. That can be a tough

994
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: adjustment because of the how to win against top end corners,

995
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: how to beat press coverage, how to have really concise

996
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: uh route running um So it could be tough, he

997
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: earned his stripes, he played special teams, and then he

998
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: came out I didn't this comment. I'll be office ye um.

999
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: But he was dynamic. He was a big play guy,

1000
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: and he had a great year. And I'm really excited

1001
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: for him that he ended up making the Pro Bowl.

1002
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: Let's see what the future holds for him too. It

1003
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: seems bright for him and the Jaguars offense. You know,

1004
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: when you walk around a Pro Bowl practice, you never

1005
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,439
Speaker 1: really know who you're gonna see. And you're obviously gonna

1006
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: see some Pro bowler is your Pro Bowl practice, but

1007
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see you might see some former Pro bowlers too,

1008
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: and a guy who's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

1009
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Speaker 1: You had a chance to catch up with one of

1010
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: those guys this week too, Yes, Hall of Fame defensive

1011
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: end Bruce Smith. He was talking to Josh Allen and

1012
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: Calais Cambell. They were on a little group together. Everyone

1013
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: was like, you gotta go talk to him. So when

1014
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: Shuck shook his hand, suck the microphone in. We talked

1015
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: a lot about Josh Allen and Calais Cambel, but we

1016
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: also had to sneak in a question about our co

1017
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: host Tony Boselli. Well, Tony is a stud. Uh, he

1018
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: was a stud. I think I played against him all

1019
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: three times and and uh he gave me all that

1020
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: I can handle. That that that's for sure. So I'm

1021
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for Tony. I understand the dynamics of the

1022
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: voting process and in him having a short career. Uh,

1023
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: and his body of work wasn't necessarily complete. But while

1024
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: he was healthy. Uh, during that era of football, there

1025
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: was there was none better. It's notables, certainly, Um, Tony,

1026
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: because I don't think that Bruce Smith on the record

1027
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: has said anything close to that about you. So it's

1028
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: nicest thing I've ever heard Bruce say about me, whether

1029
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: it's while we were playing against each other and shared

1030
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: words or post career. So listen, Bruce Smith, is you know,

1031
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: when you start talking about the best pass rushers in

1032
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: the history of the game, Bruce Smith is, you know,

1033
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: right there with Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor. Uh, he's all

1034
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: time sack leader. Um, he did it for a long time.

1035
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: Multiple Defensive Player of the Year guy. I mean, he's

1036
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: dominant and he was a great player and and uh,

1037
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: just hear him say I gave him all he could handle. Well,

1038
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: it's a pretty big compliment. He gave me a bunch

1039
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: of you know, it was no easy day at the

1040
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: beach trying to block the guy. Um. He was a

1041
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: great player, uh and played you know, run pass, you

1042
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: could do it all. And so to have someone like that,

1043
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty uh. I'll be honestly, it's it's

1044
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: really cool and it's UM means a lot. I always said,

1045
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I want to make the Hall of

1046
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Speaker 1: Fame and it's the huge, biggest um individual on or

1047
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Speaker 1: in sports that I've ever had. Obviously it's datingly obvious.

1048
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: But to hear when your fears talk about you guys

1049
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Speaker 1: you played against guys who know UM, and just have

1050
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: people like that like Bruce Smith say something that he

1051
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: just did is uh, pretty amazing, pretty amazing, And he's right, listen,

1052
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: I got hurt career short. We'll see how the voters

1053
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: uh um kind of process that again for the fourth

1054
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: time as a finalist. But to have a guy like

1055
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith say that, and you know, Jason Taylor wrote

1056
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: a letter as well that was pretty cool. And those

1057
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,400
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1058
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: I won't lie. Tony. When I went up there and

1059
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna ask you about Tony Bosella, he kind

1060
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: of just gave me like a look like he kind

1061
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Speaker 1: I guess that means, yes, we're going with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad Aston. I give you credit because Bruce is can

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Speaker 1: be an intimidating, intimidating dude. And uh, yeah, I won't lie,

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Speaker 1: he was. Thank you. Yeah, I needed it. I needed

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Speaker 1: some encouragement and get in there. We did. Like that

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Speaker 1: you didn't back down. I love it. Show some that

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Speaker 1: shows some grit. That's why. That's why you're great at

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Speaker 1: what you do. I love it. Thank you, Tony. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. He was very nice, nice guy. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the hoopla was about. Good guy. We had.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had some pretty big battles and uh,

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Speaker 1: you didn't know is appreciate I think the way I

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Speaker 1: blocked him and maybe I might have taken and past

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Speaker 1: the whistle a few times, and I know he didn't

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Speaker 1: appreciate that as well. A time or two or three

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Speaker 1: or four. Great one man he was. I had to

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Speaker 1: go past the whistle. To try to get him frustrated,

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Speaker 1: because if I just played the normal game, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: embarrass me. So you had to get ide I had

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Speaker 1: to get after him. He was that good. Ashton well

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Speaker 1: Donald Pro Bowl covers and looking for that on Jaguars

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Speaker 1: dot com. In I see that, I'll see you over there,

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Speaker 1: Ashton Sullivan with a stick around the Doug Barone Show

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Speaker 1: coming up. Tony's back as well. Thank you for watching

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Speaker 1: and listening to Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.