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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I come to you from
Speaker 1: a virtual room build with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. Well,
Speaker 1: boys happened. Um remember Frank the Tank from that movie
Speaker 1: Old School Sure, and when he said he had a
Speaker 1: nice little saturday coming up, and um he said he's
Speaker 1: going to Home Depot and all the frat brothers laughed
Speaker 1: at him. And I remember watching that film as a
Speaker 1: twenty three year old and being like, man, that guy's finished.
Speaker 1: Well that was my entire weekend. I made two trips
Speaker 1: to home Depot. I didn't even use the shopping car
Speaker 1: to use the big one, the big like kind of
Speaker 1: truck thing where you have to put lumber and all
Speaker 1: sorts of things like that. My in laws are in
Speaker 1: town and my my father in law is extremely crafty.
Speaker 1: As we work on this new home. Um, so all
Speaker 1: sorts of projects, man, all sorts of projects. I mean ridiculous,
Speaker 1: changing filters, doing some light carpentry, building railing, staining wood,
Speaker 1: tending to a garden, installing locks, handles, sweeping, raking. Enjoyment
Speaker 1: out of this or I do. It really is um
Speaker 1: a challenge, this thing, this new world I'm in of homeownership,
Speaker 1: but it is rewarding when you finish the job. The
Speaker 1: thing about it is, though, and anyone that is listening
Speaker 1: right now that owns their own home, well undoubtedly agree,
Speaker 1: it never stops. You finished one project and then the
Speaker 1: next one comes in, the next one comes, So I
Speaker 1: understand that's part of it too, But uh yeah, nice
Speaker 1: little Saturday. I mean the laundry list of activities that
Speaker 1: you listed are probably on the lowest um end of
Speaker 1: the spectrum of things that I'm skilled at. I'm not
Speaker 1: skilled at those things neither. And you know what's interesting
Speaker 1: about this stuff, like you come out of these weekends
Speaker 1: and bolden, like I have all these bricks randomly that
Speaker 1: were left behind by the previous owner, and I'm like
Speaker 1: looking at, oh, can I brick and mortar in the
Speaker 1: front of this house. It's like, no, you can't. But
Speaker 1: you start to feel like you have the ability, and
Speaker 1: I guess with practice and reps you do become more handy.
Speaker 1: Because I could speak for myself and probably the the
Speaker 1: total of the Around the NFL podcast, we're not like
Speaker 1: the manliest men when it comes to you know, working
Speaker 1: with our hands and things of that nature. So you're
Speaker 1: kind of coming from behind and we're on the comeback
Speaker 1: trail though, or at least I am. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I am not. If we go to home depot, I
Speaker 1: just distract the kids for as long as we're there
Speaker 1: so Amaica can do all the buying and doing whatever
Speaker 1: is going on. But that's why you know, I'm team
Speaker 1: team Rent here. I don't have to worry about that stuff.
Speaker 1: My perfect weekend day is is an overcast, not sunny
Speaker 1: each day. You get there as early as possible, you
Speaker 1: you spend the time at the beach, you leave maybe
Speaker 1: a little, you know, a little after lunchtime. Then the
Speaker 1: kids are kind of wiped out the rest of the day.
Speaker 1: That's a perfect Saturday for me, and I've done it weekly.
Speaker 1: I would say during the pandemic it's been, I would
Speaker 1: I would put myself in the category that's probably um
Speaker 1: Dan is clearly pleased the wife with this home purchase.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a you're an all star category at
Speaker 1: this point, and you've crossed over to a certain world
Speaker 1: where you really, um no complaints could be lodged against
Speaker 1: you for the most part um. Greg's activities outside of
Speaker 1: work seemed to me also to be UM largely of
Speaker 1: the pleasing wife variety and himself. But I mean it
Speaker 1: aligns um. I don't feel to be part of either
Speaker 1: of these universes in any way. Um. I I could
Speaker 1: purchase things at home depot Um. My dad was quite crafty,
Speaker 1: that's uff. But when you have a rental rental mindset,
Speaker 1: the last thing I do is hammer anything or or
Speaker 1: touch a wall or recarpet any patch of floor. And
Speaker 1: I think that ties into it's a generational thing because
Speaker 1: our parents are all buying their first homes when they
Speaker 1: were twenty two or whatever three and raising families and
Speaker 1: you have to learn that stuff, um right away, whereas
Speaker 1: our generation, at least in this country, like it's almost
Speaker 1: unheard of to own a home before you're even thirty
Speaker 1: unless you come from a considerable means or But there's
Speaker 1: a whole other world outside of these big cities we
Speaker 1: that we always live in. But yeah, you're right, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can yeah, I can only speak for
Speaker 1: where I've lived in New York and and now in
Speaker 1: l A. But yeah, it's uh, you know, it's rewarding though,
Speaker 1: I will say, well, I'm we're excited to come over
Speaker 1: and see the house. Greg and I were going to
Speaker 1: come over, the two of us and just like that.
Speaker 1: M all right, good stuff, good Monday. It's the Monday Show.
Speaker 1: Just three heroes and Ricky. I see Ricky as a
Speaker 1: hero as well. Heroin, Heroin is that in place? Still?
Speaker 1: They're still because we've we've kind of dropped Actress from
Speaker 1: the lexicon. It's it's actor. Um, I didn't know if
Speaker 1: Heroin is out now as well. Now she's I'd probably
Speaker 1: misstep there. I feel like Actress is still in the mix.
Speaker 1: But Heroin is is great in multiple ways, as you know,
Speaker 1: to describe a woman hero come in here, I mean
Speaker 1: at its base, it's a compliment. I mean it's not
Speaker 1: you're not taking a jab at someone. But yet Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I would say that I am Heroin to you guys,
Speaker 1: Well played, well played. Um, all right, thanks for stopping
Speaker 1: in Erica. All right, today's show. Um, we are going
Speaker 1: to have some fun again. This is on my radars.
Speaker 1: I think it's on everyone's radar. Uh. This the seventeen
Speaker 1: game season. Yes, it's more football, um, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to like kind of look at certain things the same way. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, we're gonna talk about some PF Pro Football
Speaker 1: Focus uh release their latest wind projections for each of
Speaker 1: the thirty two teams, and it's it's just messing with
Speaker 1: my head because is I'm looking at the totals and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, this team is, you know, supposed to
Speaker 1: win ten games. Oh that's a that's a good season.
Speaker 1: That's tenant six or maybe eleven and five. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: now that's a tenant seventh season. Nine wins. No, that's
Speaker 1: a nine and eight season. What does it even mean anymore?
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna take a while to get used to
Speaker 1: this mark. Yeah. No. I In fact, we've you know,
Speaker 1: taken a look at this list as a group, and
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that the first time we
Speaker 1: did because I'm still in that sixteen game mindset. Um,
Speaker 1: it totally changes things. You win nine games, you're essentially average.
Speaker 1: I feel like Vegas will win at least like an
Speaker 1: extra ten percent on win totals this year, just for
Speaker 1: like the ten of people that forget about it and
Speaker 1: just like start betting on the wrong on the wrong.
Speaker 1: That's true. So we'll check that out. But first let's
Speaker 1: do some news. Ricky hit it seven ten. Come on,
Speaker 1: man ten The seven ten only been made on television
Speaker 1: three times in the history of professional bowling on TV.
Speaker 1: Come on it, sad, Ginger Assassin, just drop the sevoton.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the ginger Assassin. They call him. Eighteen year
Speaker 1: old kid rolls a seven ten split third time ever.
Speaker 1: I guess who's the fourth time ever to do it
Speaker 1: on television? Good Ricky? Can you get me his actual name?
Speaker 1: Although ginger Assassin is an incredible name name, and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe with Andy Dalton's got another you know, three to
Speaker 1: five years in the NFL, I had called him the
Speaker 1: glowing Ginger Man. Early in my NFL media run. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people, UH call him the Red Rocket.
Speaker 1: I believe it was Red Rifle. Um, maybe ginger Assassin
Speaker 1: is what we should go with for Andy going forward.
Speaker 1: Anthony Newer is the young bowler's name. Congratulations to you,
Speaker 1: young man. I mean he's got to assassinate some people
Speaker 1: to get that. The bowler is clearly assassinated. Are you
Speaker 1: watching bowling or something this week? And after the Celtics game,
Speaker 1: after you, by the way, they started flipping and the
Speaker 1: kids were around and Um, saw some World Axe Throwing
Speaker 1: League Championship ESPN. That is next level people. Kids were
Speaker 1: into that. I watched a little little Yankees raise and
Speaker 1: then a little bit of the Masters, just a tiny bit,
Speaker 1: and then Uh, I didn't get a chance to check
Speaker 1: out bowling, just saw that on Twitter. But I did
Speaker 1: grow up watching Saturday Bowling on ABC with my dad,
Speaker 1: So that is my dad. You know. Keith Hans has
Speaker 1: averaged for his entire amateur career until he had to
Speaker 1: get knee replacement a couple of years back. I've told
Speaker 1: him to get back into it, getting on the senior tour,
Speaker 1: but so far, no dice there. All right, ginger assassin,
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the news. Uh, starting with
Speaker 1: what's going on with the Philadelphia Eagles. Now, if you
Speaker 1: are at all plugged in or just paying attention, you
Speaker 1: know something is off in the mix with the Eagles
Speaker 1: right now. UM, with Doug Peterson being fired, with Howie
Speaker 1: Roseman still there, Jeff Lory the owner very plugged in,
Speaker 1: perhaps two plugged in, and in general, that entire Super
Speaker 1: Bowl team and a legendary team in the city of
Speaker 1: Philadelphia beat the Patriots and that shootout. Uh. In the
Speaker 1: two thousands, seventeen season basically gone wiped away. So what's
Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes. The Athletic did a great
Speaker 1: breakdown shield Kapadia, bo Wolves, Zach Burman worked together on
Speaker 1: a piece, digging into it and greg it a lot
Speaker 1: of angles in a lot of ways to jump into this,
Speaker 1: But for me, the biggest takeaway was the danger when
Speaker 1: the owner gets two involved and most and most specifically
Speaker 1: on the personnel side, and how that could lead to
Speaker 1: a domino effect that could create a lot of issues
Speaker 1: in an organization. What did you take out of it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree that Jeffrey Larry has probably been more involved
Speaker 1: throughout than has been reported. That if he's putting his
Speaker 1: finger on the scale, as they said with some of
Speaker 1: these draft picks, that's problematic that he's watching tape. It's like,
Speaker 1: come on, and that the situation that they're in now
Speaker 1: with a lot of backbiting, and you can pretty much
Speaker 1: put it together here that it's a lot of fired
Speaker 1: Eagles coaches and or personnel and or personnel people you know,
Speaker 1: complaining about the setup, where ultimately Jeffrey Lury they thought
Speaker 1: was listening to too much of the analytics side, but
Speaker 1: also that you know, the analytics side. Howie Roseman is
Speaker 1: like in this difficult spot to where it's like Lurie's
Speaker 1: almost intentionally pitying the two sides against each other. And
Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick, you know, I feel comfortable talking about him
Speaker 1: because he's been on record about it. Granted this was
Speaker 1: four or five years ago when he got fired. You know,
Speaker 1: just thought the whole setup was a was a problem.
Speaker 1: And you're seeing all these football guys who may not
Speaker 1: be inclined to trust the Howie analytics side even in
Speaker 1: the least bit from the echo. And then Lurie almost
Speaker 1: sets it up in a way where he's the kingmaker
Speaker 1: and he's choosing which side he wants to to to
Speaker 1: believe at a certain level, and it's like you're just
Speaker 1: asking for for problems. But it's amazing now how he's
Speaker 1: kind of survived all of it. I love some of
Speaker 1: the little details in this um that talked about Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Lori huddled away in his his basement or above his
Speaker 1: garage or something watching the Blue Gray Game and the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in the Japan Bowl. It's just like he's
Speaker 1: very very dug in. That was from a Peter King
Speaker 1: article decades ago when he first bought the team, So
Speaker 1: he's always been into it. But he's starting, it seems,
Speaker 1: or maybe not starting, but has really ramped up his
Speaker 1: presence in terms of making day to day decisions. I
Speaker 1: don't know. The thing is though, it's like, look, the
Speaker 1: Eagles are worth three point four billion dollars. He's he's
Speaker 1: the money man. It's his it's his business. Unlike some owners.
Speaker 1: He is football first, and he goes to every practice.
Speaker 1: It's it's his. Um. I guess it's his prerogative to
Speaker 1: be as involved as he wants. But I would point
Speaker 1: to what Greg said to the structure of that organization
Speaker 1: seemed to stir up um suspicion and animosity between an
Speaker 1: analytics department that a couple of years ago was the
Speaker 1: bell of the ball. Everyone always talking about the forward
Speaker 1: thinking Eagles and how they had especially the Eagles, well
Speaker 1: they were getting I mean, if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at like old Roodo World post and stuff, they're
Speaker 1: just getting glowing reports from everyone. And the bottom line
Speaker 1: is there's always going to be a fisher between coaches
Speaker 1: and the analytics wave. And um, I mean Roseman is
Speaker 1: a friend and he's probably been kept around um longer
Speaker 1: than I think. He's probably the central antagonist to most
Speaker 1: Eagles fans because he's sort of yes, they want a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but he also like clung to that roster
Speaker 1: way too long. The coaches in the philadelphiasts to me
Speaker 1: seem as deepowered as they are almost anywhere maybe outside
Speaker 1: of Dallas. And um, you know the way that Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson was treated, you can understand why he was um
Speaker 1: piste off as he said, and frustrated and probably felt
Speaker 1: not listen to. And it made me to spin it forward.
Speaker 1: It makes me look at Nick Sirianni and say, you
Speaker 1: weren't the first choice, but you're gonna play. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be a good little boy that does what the rest
Speaker 1: of this power structure wants to do. Yeah, And Syrianni
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense that that he's he he
Speaker 1: must know what he's getting into here, because you don't
Speaker 1: say no to a head coaching opportunity. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was the hottest name on the market. Um.
Speaker 1: And but when you look at it, when Andy Reid
Speaker 1: was the coach for fourteen years, they never had these
Speaker 1: Tuesday meetings with the head coach and the GM, it's Lori,
Speaker 1: it's Roseman, and it was Doug Peterson every Tuesday and
Speaker 1: win or lose. According to this athletic piece, they would
Speaker 1: sit down and go over the things that Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: did wrong. And I can't imagine how how that must
Speaker 1: I get it? I get it, Doug, How that would
Speaker 1: grind on you as a coach where you're just being
Speaker 1: uh meticulously picked apart? And it gave me two thoughts. One, yes,
Speaker 1: I think Sirianni, it's unfair to say he's like a
Speaker 1: puppet at all this, but very clearly he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a defined role in the organization and it's not a
Speaker 1: very loud voice. And two and maybe think Doug Peterson,
Speaker 1: he's I guess he's out of football right now. Um,
Speaker 1: whoever hires him next, I feel better about him because,
Speaker 1: if anything, uh, he dealt with a lot of garbage
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and still put together a winning team
Speaker 1: for several years, including a Super Bowl champion. Right There's
Speaker 1: a couple of things that aren't mentioned in the piece,
Speaker 1: which is that they've been the most injured team in
Speaker 1: the NFL in like three streight years and some sometimes
Speaker 1: like I just feel like that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 1: Like their roster looked awesome and other than last year,
Speaker 1: they still ended up making the playoffs and usually into
Speaker 1: the divisional round, like getting over these injuries. But I think,
Speaker 1: like how you handle success is not just like players
Speaker 1: want more money. It's everyone. It's the owner who suddenly,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, like wants a lot of the credit,
Speaker 1: like look, look who's important, Like let's put it out there.
Speaker 1: It's the GM who wants a lot of the credit
Speaker 1: and putting out how great they are. It's the coach
Speaker 1: who wants a lot of the credit. And it's the
Speaker 1: team trying to make tough decisions of thinking they're in
Speaker 1: this window to win a bunch of Super Bowls and
Speaker 1: maybe making not making the best personnel decisions. It's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Patriots, right, and I don't
Speaker 1: think we'll ever be duplicated, just because like there's so
Speaker 1: many problems of dealing with success and uh, and they're
Speaker 1: showing it like I don't know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: long theory, And he's gonna be able to last there.
Speaker 1: He's probably got about a two year window or else
Speaker 1: they're gonna blow up this whole thing. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: that you mentioned the Patriots because they came to mind
Speaker 1: because of any team in sports, or at least in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, their coach is their GM essentially
Speaker 1: is their final you know, outside of the owner. Once
Speaker 1: in a while, Belichick doesn't have to worry about these
Speaker 1: layers of um external power pressing against each other. And
Speaker 1: I mean as a Jets fan, Dan, and as a
Speaker 1: Browns fan, it's like, I feel like I've read twenty
Speaker 1: hit pieces. This wasn't a hit piece, but twenty in
Speaker 1: depth reports about what's wrong in Cleveland over the past
Speaker 1: twenty years UM. And the same with the Jets. And
Speaker 1: it's like, it's just poor organization. It's it's poor structure,
Speaker 1: and it's um in fighting and its ego and it's
Speaker 1: a desire for power and money. And it's like this
Speaker 1: story has been going on for thousands of years. The
Speaker 1: Eagles are just like today's version of it. And and
Speaker 1: you bring up Bellichick in the Patriots, it's funny. There's
Speaker 1: no like, there's no perfect way to do it, because
Speaker 1: Belichick is the be all end all up there. And
Speaker 1: when you look at their their past four or five
Speaker 1: years of drafts, maybe you would help to have someone
Speaker 1: else's voice and there'll be something in there. I think
Speaker 1: of what it comes down to is you have to
Speaker 1: find that balance and the and everyone needs to be
Speaker 1: talking together in the analytics department has to be playing
Speaker 1: ball with the GM and the owner and and the
Speaker 1: scouts and and I think that's just such a hard
Speaker 1: thing to get right. And the organizations that manage it
Speaker 1: build a long term winner, and the and the organizations
Speaker 1: that don't. Maybe you flash and you you get an
Speaker 1: improbable Super Bowl victory like the Eagles did, but then
Speaker 1: it comes back and and it will come back to
Speaker 1: bite you. Like Howie Roseman, I thought I thought that
Speaker 1: was interesting too, how what he was, and he was
Speaker 1: famously and we've joked about it for years that he
Speaker 1: was banished to the Pocono's by Jeffrey Laurie when Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly was hired and was giving given team building skills
Speaker 1: and they sent them to the opposite side of the
Speaker 1: Novacare complex that was the non football side, which was
Speaker 1: a huge slap in the face to Roseman, and he
Speaker 1: he said later on that that helped inform how I
Speaker 1: changed the way I do my business. Although he has
Speaker 1: kind of gone back and to his earlier form. Apparently
Speaker 1: he did the same thing to the analytics guy um
Speaker 1: that he wasn't happy with sending, banishing him to the
Speaker 1: opposite end of the building. It's just like whoa, and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big soap opera. Ultimately, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's fun to get dynamics. I mean the thing with
Speaker 1: like the owner meeting like that's very typical by the way,
Speaker 1: like an owner meeting with his coach to go over
Speaker 1: in in now. Whether it's a total yeah, it's exactly.
Speaker 1: But you're also getting this tone from you can assume
Speaker 1: the coaches side of things, and I think it's just winning.
Speaker 1: It's like winning papers over all this stuff. I think
Speaker 1: probably everyone had these feelings while they were winning too. Um.
Speaker 1: But it's cool because it's like the super Bowl raises
Speaker 1: everyone's profile and raises everyone's money and everything like that,
Speaker 1: and then the second you start losing, then the backbiting comes. Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't note though that, Like they talked
Speaker 1: about Lorie sitting down in a sort of secret three
Speaker 1: hour meeting with Jim Schwartz like days into that Super
Speaker 1: Bowl winning season because people thought he was looking for
Speaker 1: Peterson's replacement. It just seems like they never really bought
Speaker 1: into Peterson as a vision guy, someone that he needed
Speaker 1: to have his handheld. And I think you're right that
Speaker 1: those meetings every Tuesday probably became you know, we all
Speaker 1: have things during the week. It's like the worst part
Speaker 1: of your week, and it's like that probably was Peterson's
Speaker 1: worst part of his week for years. And they get
Speaker 1: Eagles fans are salty, and I've given them a little
Speaker 1: bit of grief for being so upset and and angry
Speaker 1: and critical in the last couple of years considering what
Speaker 1: you have that many fan bases have never had, which
Speaker 1: is a super Bowl title. Um, but you get it
Speaker 1: because it's it wasn't supposed to, you know, happened this
Speaker 1: quickly go from being a super Bowl champion to all
Speaker 1: this dysfunction. But you know that's what it goes. A
Speaker 1: good job by Bo Wolf, by the way, friend of
Speaker 1: the podcasts involved in the reporting of that story. Alright.
Speaker 1: In other news, speaking of the athletic, Michael Lombardi does
Speaker 1: this thing over them. Michael Lombardi, he bounces around quite
Speaker 1: a bit. I can never really I don't know a Yes,
Speaker 1: he is there Okay, guys, that's that's how you make
Speaker 1: money in this business. Just stack paychecks from all over
Speaker 1: the place, you know. Anyway, Lombardi believes that the Washington
Speaker 1: football team will be willing to trade up to land
Speaker 1: a quarterback trade Lance North Dakota State Star. We're talking
Speaker 1: about a godfather type offer. Look at me, I bring
Speaker 1: up Lombardi and now I'm bringing up Italian motion pictures,
Speaker 1: Italian American motion pictures. That's his thing. Anyway, Uh, this
Speaker 1: would take a lot. Obviously, they're sitting at number nineteen.
Speaker 1: They are the defending division champions in the NFC East
Speaker 1: of course, Mark, So to get up to what I
Speaker 1: assume would be, you know, around the top five, to
Speaker 1: get Trey Lance, you're probably gonna have to surrender everything,
Speaker 1: which they already did once before with r G three.
Speaker 1: Should they be thinking about doing that again? I just
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting I mean, there there's a lot
Speaker 1: of varying opinions on Trey Lance and Um Lance Zeerling
Speaker 1: our guy. Um. His comparison NFL wise was Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't seemingly have that same powerful arm. He
Speaker 1: is certainly a dual threat, and you know, you've got
Speaker 1: Scott Turner there, young Turner. You've got Ron Rivera. They
Speaker 1: went to a Super Bowl with Cam Newton, So you
Speaker 1: wonder if maybe that's something they've always valued. Um, if
Speaker 1: you're Ron Rivera, that kind of a quarterback that can
Speaker 1: do at all. I mean, he really is someone that
Speaker 1: with his feet, like you build an entire offense around
Speaker 1: what he can do on his feet. They talk about
Speaker 1: him being one of the smarter guys coming in at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. He can read, He set his own
Speaker 1: protections as a runner, which you know your center could
Speaker 1: be doing that. Typically he is like a brainy kid, um,
Speaker 1: but not fully formed. And so I don't know what
Speaker 1: you give up for him um to get up there,
Speaker 1: but you have to really believe it. And I wonder,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be a Ron Rivera thing
Speaker 1: because this you know, this is a team that took
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins a couple of years ago. Trey Lance to
Speaker 1: me is someone that is just um, you look at
Speaker 1: what people say, they're all over the maps. So so
Speaker 1: Washington must be fully in belief of what he can provide.
Speaker 1: I just think there's so many teams that are gonna
Speaker 1: make such big mistakes this draft because there's less information
Speaker 1: unless all these guys are just like good. Trey Lance
Speaker 1: is uniquely a black box of a track draft pass prospect.
Speaker 1: He played one game last year, which sort of didn't
Speaker 1: even count. He threw eighteen passes per game the year
Speaker 1: before in the most highly schemed offense that exists. Basically,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is North Dakota State offense, which is about
Speaker 1: as far from like an NFL offense as you can get.
Speaker 1: But he looks awesome, Like a lot of people think
Speaker 1: he looks better as a prospect than than Wednes did,
Speaker 1: for instance, and like everyone loves him, but it's you're
Speaker 1: based on this off of eight teen throws a game
Speaker 1: two years ago at the FCS level, and man, like,
Speaker 1: you can make mistakes that way. But it's not that
Speaker 1: different with Fields and Wilson, Like they didn't play that
Speaker 1: much either that you know, for for like big time
Speaker 1: college quarterbacks that they're in a different category too, and
Speaker 1: they have their own questions with scheme and like the
Speaker 1: you know how much the scheme helped how much they played,
Speaker 1: and and for Wilson, like the opponents, So to me,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, these guys just like look awesome. That
Speaker 1: the quality of like the talent in terms of just
Speaker 1: like physicality and your arm strength lan lance to me
Speaker 1: as as a good enough more than a good enough
Speaker 1: arm It's like they all look like great a prospects,
Speaker 1: but you just figure some of these teams are gonna
Speaker 1: totally botch this. You called him a black box candidate.
Speaker 1: I've never heard that before. You know, with the black
Speaker 1: box that that's usually something you don't learn what happened
Speaker 1: until you're digging through the wreckage of the airplane. So
Speaker 1: saying kind of pointing your prediction in analysis here in
Speaker 1: a certain direction. Now, I kind of I'm really interested
Speaker 1: in Traleiance just because no one seems to know much
Speaker 1: about him, and he just seems to be the guy
Speaker 1: that's getting ignored in this process, even though you know
Speaker 1: he's pretty fascinating just his athleticism and where he comes from.
Speaker 1: The black box thing is more like, how do people
Speaker 1: really know how he's going to translate? It's a pretty
Speaker 1: big projection, Josh Allen, Maybe is a good comparison, is that?
Speaker 1: Is that what you just said? Yeah? Right, as a
Speaker 1: as a prospect, that makes a lot of sense to
Speaker 1: me because I think he was a really tough one
Speaker 1: to know how he would fit at the next level.
Speaker 1: I really polarizing uh prospect last year justin Herbert And
Speaker 1: you know my team has the number two over all
Speaker 1: overall pick. I'm probably gonna be rooting for Zack Wilson
Speaker 1: next year. Would I like if he had another full
Speaker 1: college season and all that stuff? Sure, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it just feels like it's all this is
Speaker 1: a crapshoot really, no matter what. So I don't feel
Speaker 1: like the Jets are in some type of or these
Speaker 1: other teams are in a total disaster situation because you
Speaker 1: could do all the research and watch all that tape
Speaker 1: you want, but when the lights go on week one
Speaker 1: or whenever these guys get the chance, that's when you
Speaker 1: finally see whether they can. You know, Greg play the guitar,
Speaker 1: moving on. A lot of guitar playing on this show,
Speaker 1: like the football would be preferable. But we should get
Speaker 1: when you get my brother Dean. You know, Dean went
Speaker 1: to college for a guitar. You wanna you wanna see
Speaker 1: the tape, the Delaware tapes. Forget about that. We got
Speaker 1: a lot of Dean Rosenthal tapes playing all I would
Speaker 1: like to see tapes Western mass um, you know, not forgetting,
Speaker 1: but also some like cover cover songs of like kiss
Speaker 1: and uh you know Ugly Kid Joe and guns and
Speaker 1: you're an A plus deflector. But Dan and I are
Speaker 1: not off the case on the Delaware tapes, nor will
Speaker 1: we ever be off the case. And I know, I
Speaker 1: know on your other podcast your best buddies like a
Speaker 1: legit celebrity and you guys do your comedy thing. I
Speaker 1: if the Delaware tapes ever service on that show and
Speaker 1: not on this one, this whole thing is over. We
Speaker 1: are folding up shop. That that is, that is that
Speaker 1: would never occur to me now, I would not do
Speaker 1: that to you. That's also grimy at giving Greg incredible
Speaker 1: power over our careers. Dan, I don't know. I might
Speaker 1: return to still do an episode. Um alright, Uh, I
Speaker 1: was just saying, oh up next? All right, this again,
Speaker 1: Josina Anderson reports free agent defensive Enjadavion Clowney is visiting
Speaker 1: the Browns. Does this sound familiar? Yes, it does sound
Speaker 1: familiar because he already did meet with the Browns. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's virtual or in person, but this
Speaker 1: is back in March. No deal, and can we just
Speaker 1: and don't take this personally, Mark, It's not about your
Speaker 1: favorite team. Can we please just signed with the Browns
Speaker 1: already so everybody can get all excited about their HiPE
Speaker 1: Bunny Browns and how Clowney is going to be a
Speaker 1: US from Miles Garrett and that's gonna unlock this magic
Speaker 1: that we've been waiting. Can just do it already, Just
Speaker 1: sign and then let people start writing those articles and
Speaker 1: then we could let the games play out and then
Speaker 1: Garrett has a great ear and Clowney gets hurt and
Speaker 1: does nothing. Can we just speed the process along here
Speaker 1: just a little bit, Ricky Plee And I know this
Speaker 1: is a personal sun fire because I don't want to
Speaker 1: Maybe you guys want to do more of these, but
Speaker 1: I want to fire this. Where's Dadavian Clowney story going
Speaker 1: into the sun because nobody needs nobody needs this much
Speaker 1: speculation considering the production. I'm sorry, into the Sun us
Speaker 1: let me know where he is. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: they also met last offseason, so this this is um
Speaker 1: an elongated flirtation. I find I find it ponderous, but
Speaker 1: um to me, it tells me more about maybe what
Speaker 1: they think about where are they picking the draft, Um,
Speaker 1: the edge rusher position in the draft, which is certainly
Speaker 1: missing a Miles Garrett type character. Um, you know, pushing
Speaker 1: better guys down the list, like maybe they want to
Speaker 1: go into the draft with this position sealed up so
Speaker 1: they can take a cornerback or the best player available.
Speaker 1: But but I'm with you, Dan, I find it juicy though,
Speaker 1: if my team signs the player that really, Um, I
Speaker 1: can't think of too many players that you're more happily
Speaker 1: antagonistic toward, and not without reason, but that, but the
Speaker 1: but the matt the whole scenario there, um, I find compelling.
Speaker 1: If that, if it happens your friend Andrew Barry the GM,
Speaker 1: this is what if I had a direct line to him,
Speaker 1: if I could tap into the g M app if
Speaker 1: it existed. If you do sign and you will sign
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney for a one year team friendly deal with
Speaker 1: nice and sent incentives to the player if he stays
Speaker 1: on the field and makes plays, do not say I
Speaker 1: have defensive end opposite of Myles Garrett covered and I
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it, And I could turn
Speaker 1: my attention to other positions in the draft. That would
Speaker 1: be a mistake. Signing him would not solve any issues.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just put back Olivia Vernon? What's going
Speaker 1: on with his achilles? Well? I thought Vernon like like
Speaker 1: closed the season very well and what's actually though right
Speaker 1: at the end, so that he's just off the table
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think it solves like the position,
Speaker 1: but I think they're probably just thinking. I think it's
Speaker 1: incredible upside. I think it's incredible upside. And if you
Speaker 1: take out last year, he has been very consistent overall.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's maybe he hasn't like the transformative number
Speaker 1: one overall pick, but he's better than most number one
Speaker 1: overall picks, and he's and he's had a pretty consistent
Speaker 1: career until last year. I do wonder. I think it
Speaker 1: says more about the type of we just got we
Speaker 1: got no news to talk about. Justin Houston's visiting the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Throw that in there. We just got nothing to talk about.
Speaker 1: There's no there's no news right now. Nobody wants to
Speaker 1: pay this guy. It took forever for the Titans to
Speaker 1: finally give him that one year deal, and now I
Speaker 1: think in April, I think the way he plays and
Speaker 1: the lingering injuries that he's played through. Our serious concern
Speaker 1: because he plays, he's kind of like the running back
Speaker 1: that takes two hundred and fifty hits every year. Is
Speaker 1: his career gonna be shortened? And I think that was
Speaker 1: the concern for Clowney, and it's kind of coming out
Speaker 1: that way after last season, so I get the concern too. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I apologize if I got a little fired up there,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's wait until he signs, But wait
Speaker 1: until Thursday when he's by then he will have signed,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna give the exact same analysis. I know,
Speaker 1: but let's just not do another Clowny story until that
Speaker 1: signing happens. And um, he was the first overall pick
Speaker 1: and I believe two thousand fourteen, right, m hm, that's right.
Speaker 1: And this started in July two thou thirteen, So it's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been talking about this guy for
Speaker 1: a long time for somebody that's never had ten sacks
Speaker 1: in a season. Anyway, all right, UM, I hope he
Speaker 1: signs with the Jets, actually, because then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in a really weird place. He won't. Joe Dougles is
Speaker 1: too smart for that. I trust you, Joe. Kevin James
Speaker 1: will play Sean Payton in a Happy Madison picture. Happy
Speaker 1: Madison is the production company owned by Adam Sandler, and
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler has a extended deal with Netflix to put
Speaker 1: together these movies with his buddies and uh put them
Speaker 1: on Netflix and they apparently do pretty well regardless of
Speaker 1: their artistic achievement. Uh. And Kevin James, the uh full
Speaker 1: figured uh comedic actor playing Sean Payton in a movie.
Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Well? I think I
Speaker 1: think if I'm Kevin James and I'm reading Peter King
Speaker 1: right about it, and like the one thing Kevin that
Speaker 1: Peter King mentions is, well, Kevin James is gonna have
Speaker 1: to lose some weight for this wrong. I'm thinking like,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like who are you? Who are you to talk?
Speaker 1: First of all, and you're just talking about me like that?
Speaker 1: And by the way, Sean Payton, like Kevin James, if
Speaker 1: we're gonna go there, uh, if I fluctuated over the years,
Speaker 1: certainly he can be like jacked at times, and he
Speaker 1: can he can look like the coach at the end
Speaker 1: of the season and like his old coordinator Rob Ryan.
Speaker 1: It can go back and forth, and King also was
Speaker 1: wrong in not understanding the the business involved here again,
Speaker 1: Happy Madison. They don't really care what what kind of
Speaker 1: project they're putting together. They're just getting their buddies together.
Speaker 1: There's no like I need to dedicate for this role
Speaker 1: to play Sean Payton. Kevin James is gonna stay exactly
Speaker 1: on his diet and cash the paycheck and do the
Speaker 1: movie and then like a bunch of people, watch on
Speaker 1: Netflix and that'll be it. Watch it now. I don't
Speaker 1: think they were going for like the realistic, most realistic
Speaker 1: looking Sean Payton casting choice, because Greg is right, there
Speaker 1: was a period, it was around or so that Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: who is now fifty eight so this is not easy
Speaker 1: to do, transformed his body and became um, legit muscular like.
Speaker 1: He looked awesome. Uh and I think that's Wayne since then,
Speaker 1: but he is not young. But this happened in two
Speaker 1: thousand twelves. So you have to cast someone that looks
Speaker 1: like I mean he did back then. He didn't really
Speaker 1: have gray hair back then. Um, he was a different
Speaker 1: looking guy. It's about that, It's about bounty Gate. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's about the it's about the season it Bounty Gator,
Speaker 1: I assume will be like the almost the preface to it,
Speaker 1: and it's about the season he spent away from the
Speaker 1: game that he coaches his kids team and you know,
Speaker 1: learned to love again. It is kind of funny though,
Speaker 1: that the whole precursor of that is like, you know,
Speaker 1: getting suspended for for taking kill shots on a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And by the way, there was a pretty well reported,
Speaker 1: like you know, drug um controversy that to me, I
Speaker 1: always felt was part of Bounty Gate of like, you
Speaker 1: know them the Saints got in a little trouble with
Speaker 1: some how they were using prescription drugs, but that probably
Speaker 1: is going to be glossed over in this movie. I
Speaker 1: do have some Paul the Paul Blart Mall cop actor
Speaker 1: Kevin James probably not going to hit the drug abuse
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of professional football angle very hard, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I do have some casting choices for you, though,
Speaker 1: which I mentioned. I would this kind of well it
Speaker 1: did kind of just said is this is it just
Speaker 1: for giving it to your friends? So I want to
Speaker 1: throw and we could get Ricky in here if she
Speaker 1: wants to do I show are you well THEREK so
Speaker 1: here it is. I would say that the vast majority
Speaker 1: of who I'm going to mention you would just know
Speaker 1: their household names. But there's a couple where I heard
Speaker 1: the name, but I'm not sure I could put a
Speaker 1: face to it. So I wanted to help you out there. Um,
Speaker 1: you can just sort of tell me yes or no.
Speaker 1: Well I wasn't necessarily going there first, Ricky, but we
Speaker 1: can list. Well, it's okay, So let's let's just say
Speaker 1: if you want to look, I'm gonna start with a
Speaker 1: couple of people that I think you could make look
Speaker 1: like Sean Payton, Daniel Craig. We could start with I
Speaker 1: understand that he's like a super hottie, but well he's fine, okay,
Speaker 1: But I mean you sort of perceived that way if
Speaker 1: you if you dressed him up as Sean Payton, I
Speaker 1: think you've got a more Sean paytonist look than Kevin
Speaker 1: James there, and you know what you say. When he
Speaker 1: was cast as James Bond, and he was an excellent Bond,
Speaker 1: some of the criticism was that he wasn't quite photogenic
Speaker 1: enough to pull off James Bond, who's like a supposed
Speaker 1: to be a suave Pierce Brasen in type. So yes,
Speaker 1: I think you can put him in the Sean Payton world.
Speaker 1: I like that one. Okay, Um, I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: this name out. There's no photo or maybe there is
Speaker 1: Greg Knear. There's no photo of Greg Knier on the internet. Well, no, no,
Speaker 1: there is there is one too. They are the same age. Um.
Speaker 1: I think you know this movie is gonna have You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a little bit dramatic in terms
Speaker 1: of the backdrop. Greg mentioned what you're in chaos in
Speaker 1: a way of Sean Payton during this year of your life,
Speaker 1: and then something good has to come out of it.
Speaker 1: Greg Knear can kind of rainbow through that whole arc
Speaker 1: of emotions. I like him is probably available because I
Speaker 1: feel like it hasn't been too hot since as good
Speaker 1: as it gets overall, he seems to be Also, he
Speaker 1: could play you. I mean he's like a little like
Speaker 1: hotter version of you, Mark. So I like that as well.
Speaker 1: I like that underrated. Can hear you know a lot
Speaker 1: of range talk soup to dramatic stuff. Let's let's do
Speaker 1: it not much Steve the Pirate and Dodgeball. Can he
Speaker 1: command the room? Can he command an NFL locker room,
Speaker 1: greg Nar that that's part of it, that's part but
Speaker 1: he also is not with an NFL locker room, and
Speaker 1: can he commands six graders? I think, yeah, how about
Speaker 1: this Alan tow Dick, let's throw that up there. Ricky,
Speaker 1: you're going These are the ones where I'm going for looks.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. That Steve the Pirate
Speaker 1: from Dodge. He's He's been in lots of stuff, but okay,
Speaker 1: this one, I think if you look at Sean Payton's
Speaker 1: facial structure. Um, Greg German, who was famous for Allan mcgeel,
Speaker 1: no one knows who these guys are. I know him.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's a he's a been around the block
Speaker 1: TV actor. Absolutely absolutely, Um, Steve's on. I threw in
Speaker 1: there as a possibility because now he's a little bit older.
Speaker 1: The age is not um that far apart. Plus, this
Speaker 1: is a comedic film most likely, and he's done comedic
Speaker 1: work okay, and he's a New Orleans guy. Did Tremay.
Speaker 1: He was very good in Tremay act. He also seems
Speaker 1: available to me. Um, Now these ones are just more
Speaker 1: more hussel names. Yeah, well we can just script to these.
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you have photos of these, Woody Harrelson,
Speaker 1: you could do anything. I would watch that. I think
Speaker 1: you need some pop. Kevin James at least, you know,
Speaker 1: to each his own. He's got pop, he's got a
Speaker 1: fan base. I think that's good. That's why guy maybe
Speaker 1: not so much what you hosing? Yeah, we could worry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm going into more movie star world here.
Speaker 1: Now this is these ones are not for looks so much.
Speaker 1: But Steve Correll, how would he not do a great
Speaker 1: job at this? Um? Now, it doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: football coach. Okay, so we're we gotta know there. That's
Speaker 1: we're batting a pretty good batting average here so far.
Speaker 1: How about um, Dennis Quaid if he were maybe a
Speaker 1: little younger. All right, okay, so that's a no. Um
Speaker 1: if you really go and you've been going heavy Quaid lately,
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever you're talking. Whenever there's like conversations
Speaker 1: about a sports movie, everyone's like about Dennis Quaide, it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's just well, I was trying to please
Speaker 1: that per part of the room. If someone's looking for
Speaker 1: that kind of guy, this guy may be also a
Speaker 1: little overexposed right now. But Chris Pratt, if you really
Speaker 1: wanted to pull in like a certain audience, M too
Speaker 1: young though a little too young. Yeah, how about this, um,
Speaker 1: Sean Penn, I want to see that. I want to
Speaker 1: see that movie. I think it'll be an insane movie.
Speaker 1: Sean Penn playing, I think, yeah, I watched in a
Speaker 1: Happy Madison production that that that's interesting. I'm interesting, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: That's good. The last person I would note, because this
Speaker 1: is where we are in a society at this point.
Speaker 1: Of course, he could do this. Sean Payton plays himself
Speaker 1: unsolved mystery style. Okay, I mean, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to know the tone of the film. He's providing notes.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a happy you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's teaching kids and learning life lessons, and he's grumpy
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and then he has some high jinks
Speaker 1: with the kids and that that connects him to the
Speaker 1: love of the game. Shot. That's why Sean Penn would
Speaker 1: be at once the worst possible choice and and the
Speaker 1: one I would want to watch because I heard John
Speaker 1: Penn lately on like a podcast and he seems off
Speaker 1: his rocker at this point. He seems a little, he
Speaker 1: seems out there. The novel that he wrote sounds like
Speaker 1: the thing I like to read. The last thing I
Speaker 1: would ever want to read is Sean Penn's novel Um
Speaker 1: And just you know, one bit of unsolicited advice to
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler, when when you're casting really anyone and you're
Speaker 1: forced to choose every time between Kevin James, Rob Schneider
Speaker 1: and David Spade, you've probably boxed yourself in a little.
Speaker 1: Let's just open up the net over at Happy Madison Productions.
Speaker 1: I mean that would have been true fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: so it's even um doubly true now. So um too
Speaker 1: quick news items for we get to the PFF win projections. First,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals who traded for DeAndre Hopkins last season, they
Speaker 1: fleeced Bill O'Brien in the Houston Texans. In that deal,
Speaker 1: they received something called you know, we're up for a
Speaker 1: cyclops as everyone knows, and I I heard from Ricky
Speaker 1: that the UM live stream of the award show will
Speaker 1: be on April, so we might have to find a
Speaker 1: way to connect that uh to the podcast when that
Speaker 1: time comes. So we got a cyclops A nomination. Hopkins
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals more specifically, received the Alpha Award for
Speaker 1: Best Sports Transaction of the Year. That one didn't ring
Speaker 1: quite true to me because Tom Brady feels like one
Speaker 1: of the best free agent signings. Ever, how do you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know nobody wants to give Brady or
Speaker 1: his team any more awards than they already get. But
Speaker 1: how is how do the Bucks not win that hardware?
Speaker 1: Are they not judging off of the idea of what
Speaker 1: they gave in return? I mean, I'm with you, like
Speaker 1: the most impactful signing was Tom Brady, but like, if
Speaker 1: you looked at the best trade or swap, I would
Speaker 1: give that. I would give it to DeAndre But you're
Speaker 1: what you're really saying also is that the Texans made
Speaker 1: the worst move of last offseason. Well you know what
Speaker 1: this is from? I didn't. I've never heard of this before,
Speaker 1: but it's from the Sloan Conference, which is an analytics conference,
Speaker 1: so you know they're they're from an analytics perspective. Maybe
Speaker 1: who who use the data? Who who fleeced the other team?
Speaker 1: You know who won? In uh, the your New York
Speaker 1: Yankees for a player I've never heard of. Because I'm
Speaker 1: not a big baseball fan. Dj le Matthew. That acquisition one,
Speaker 1: I don't know how that held up. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: reigning batting champion DJ L Mayhew. I don't love me,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we love dj We call him the machine,
Speaker 1: all right. Oh, the Sloan people get excited about that
Speaker 1: Sloan stuff. I want to know when whenever I see
Speaker 1: people tweeting about the Sloan conference and stuff. Though, because
Speaker 1: they're they're all about into analytics. They're all about into
Speaker 1: analyzing how to best use like a payroll in contracts.
Speaker 1: I always want to know how much are the panelists
Speaker 1: getting paid, like, and what are the differences in the
Speaker 1: panelist because that would inform like which panels you would
Speaker 1: go to, Like do I want Kevin Clark at a
Speaker 1: certain value or Bill Simmons at another one? Like that?
Speaker 1: I think they should Kevin James there right. Because they're analytics,
Speaker 1: I think they should release that to the public. They're
Speaker 1: all about the data. They should release that that. We
Speaker 1: should we I think getting Clark on here to say
Speaker 1: how much you got paid by Sloan would be awesome.
Speaker 1: For all I know they don't get paid at all,
Speaker 1: but that seemed that would seem weird finally in the news.
Speaker 1: Oh it's another trope alert. I told you it's my
Speaker 1: responsibility to you, the listeners, to keep you up to
Speaker 1: date on all the tropes as we approach season. George Patton,
Speaker 1: the general manager of the Denver Broncos, is hoping to
Speaker 1: not Payton forget about that. He's pattent on this show.
Speaker 1: He needs Drew Lock to to take the next leap
Speaker 1: forward uh and make the Broncos a playoff team. Well,
Speaker 1: guess what good news. Broncos guard Dalton Risner told Matt
Speaker 1: Lombardo of Fans Sided on his podcast last week that
Speaker 1: Drew Lock has been having film sessions with Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame QB. Wade for it Byton Manning. Hit me with
Speaker 1: that trompe alert again. Payton Manning meddling with a team,
Speaker 1: ostensibly to help them. But that's not always the case.
Speaker 1: That's not always the case at all. Heyton Manning meddling
Speaker 1: the whole, the whole Peyton Manning has like a football
Speaker 1: Svengali has taken like narrative has taken a big hit
Speaker 1: with his undying support of Adam Gaze, Like that's the
Speaker 1: guy he stood on a table on more than any
Speaker 1: other player or come and so it her being. I
Speaker 1: was thinking like that British trope lady. I don't know
Speaker 1: who she is, but I think at this point we
Speaker 1: should get together for drinks with her, just to learn
Speaker 1: more about her life. She seems enjoyable. Am I wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to see who she is.
Speaker 1: Impact sure, Yeah, she seems forceful to me. It seems
Speaker 1: like you would like to have some private time with
Speaker 1: her if you could. No, No, I said, as a
Speaker 1: group we would. We would definitely likes likes a forceful
Speaker 1: British woman. That's that. I can totally see that. That's
Speaker 1: a little change of pace, if you will. That's what's
Speaker 1: happening in the news. Um, Mark, did you have something
Speaker 1: to lead us into our next second or transition? Is
Speaker 1: out of this current one? Well, I can never tell
Speaker 1: what day it is anymore. Um, I'm sure I'm not alone,
Speaker 1: but it's I didn't even realize we were in the
Speaker 1: double digits of April. But um, April twelve, this is
Speaker 1: just a little quick There are some April they always
Speaker 1: speak up on you. Do you know what happened? Speaking
Speaker 1: of baseball on April twelve, one hundred and forty four
Speaker 1: years ago, a hundred and forty four years ago, in
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy seven, the first catcher's mask was used in
Speaker 1: a baseball game. Okay, even took how how many games
Speaker 1: were played before that? Because that feels like for mouth disaster.
Speaker 1: Those guys worked in like meat packing plants back then.
Speaker 1: They didn't here take a baseball to the face. Also,
Speaker 1: Old Johnny and Billy died in the first two days
Speaker 1: of the season, so let's put on masks. So also
Speaker 1: on April twelve, this is a significant day. One hundred
Speaker 1: and ten years later after the first UM catcher's mask
Speaker 1: was was featured in twenty one Jump Street, premiered on Fox.
Speaker 1: Is this going to lead to you giving us more
Speaker 1: casting options for Sean Payton because it's been exhausted. No.
Speaker 1: But then the other thing that happened on this date
Speaker 1: that stood out to me, which I think you guys
Speaker 1: probably I witnessed this in person, and was it caused
Speaker 1: quite a ruckus in the tabloids. In Drew Barrymore appeared
Speaker 1: on the The Late show The David Letterman Show and
Speaker 1: basically jumped on his desk and um flashed him frontally
Speaker 1: from the waist up. It was his birthday that also
Speaker 1: happened on this date, so it's not just a meaningless
Speaker 1: day just to cross it off the calendar and walk
Speaker 1: a rod Mark Sessler this state in history. I like that, Um,
Speaker 1: Drew Barry would to show you how far things And
Speaker 1: by the way, that was, Drew was my girl, like
Speaker 1: everybody had, like, especially when you're younger, a celebrity that
Speaker 1: was your celebrity, and you just loved everything about her.
Speaker 1: Drew barrymore was like my ideal of the peak of
Speaker 1: what a woman could be. And so I was a
Speaker 1: huge fan of her in the nineties. Um, so when
Speaker 1: that happened, I was like, oh, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: She was shamed, like like her career took on water
Speaker 1: after that, and and you think about it, like if
Speaker 1: that happened today, people would be like, oh, that was
Speaker 1: a pretty cool, crazy thing. But back then she was
Speaker 1: basically branded with a scarlet letter. She was a bad girl,
Speaker 1: she was too naughty, and like it it brought up
Speaker 1: all these issues other conversations. He does that to us
Speaker 1: every week. It's like, that's not a big deal. Weekly
Speaker 1: correct crags Like someone said something that made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I'll be quiet. I didn't know one said anything well,
Speaker 1: the bricky part, yes, but I meant that the Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you had more background knowledge on on
Speaker 1: all that as a seminar moment. It was interesting to learn,
Speaker 1: all right, well, you know this really the segment really
Speaker 1: landed gracefully. But I liked it overall. I don't think
Speaker 1: we're gonna be that segment never appear on this show ever. Again,
Speaker 1: why it's a good I just felt like this month
Speaker 1: feels highly anonymous to me, so I was trying to
Speaker 1: drill down for a little bit of identity, calendar identity
Speaker 1: that I enjoyed it, and I think it's something we
Speaker 1: should bring back. We're in between. We're in between, and
Speaker 1: like the NFL calendar, we're in between with this pandemic,
Speaker 1: where you know, it's just sort of like a transition
Speaker 1: where this is like the Nick Siriani of months. Right now,
Speaker 1: it's just like cut it out of the way until
Speaker 1: we move on to the real stuff. Ricky, you could
Speaker 1: have also jumped in there and broken that uncomfortable silence
Speaker 1: when Greg turned off his mike too. Well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna just see how long it went, and I was
Speaker 1: just like going to let that play out, and then
Speaker 1: I was going to come on and just flash you guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, good stuff. Greg has now left the studio.
Speaker 1: He's not even on the show anymore. M p F.
Speaker 1: They do it, everyone respects PF. It's Chris Collinsworth site.
Speaker 1: Does he get all the money? Like? How does that work?
Speaker 1: Is he? Did he just invest in it? Or did
Speaker 1: he launch it? Where is collins were coming? I know
Speaker 1: it's based out of Cincinnati, isn't it? Yes, he did
Speaker 1: not launch it. It existed um and was robust before
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth was ever involved. At some point he invested
Speaker 1: and became I don't know the percentage, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's a pretty high percentage. At some point he became
Speaker 1: like one of the owners, if not the main one,
Speaker 1: but well, definitely it's pretty well usually beneficial for both sides.
Speaker 1: It sounds like collins Worth get well. I think that
Speaker 1: much respect to all those that worked tirelessly to get
Speaker 1: PFF off the ground before he arrusts. Great. Great for
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati, Uh, Cincinnati community. It's been huge for the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati community. Just enormous. The pride um all right, So
Speaker 1: they do it every year um NFL win totals always,
Speaker 1: as Greg knows very well, one of the more popular
Speaker 1: ways to bet the NFL, which we do not do,
Speaker 1: by the way, because we are employees of the Shield. However,
Speaker 1: people outside of the walls of our virtual building are
Speaker 1: free to do these things and they enjoy it. And
Speaker 1: that's a big people like that in sports. The idea
Speaker 1: of wagering never my thing. It never really was my thing.
Speaker 1: But I you know, I dabbled in my youth, um,
Speaker 1: and some people are obsessive about it. Mark, did you
Speaker 1: ever get involved in the old days? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: because I I didn't under the capital UM. I probably
Speaker 1: spent my money poorly, if anything, but I gambling seems
Speaker 1: like a poor way to spend it also for many people.
Speaker 1: But a little bit of horse racing UM. When I
Speaker 1: lived in New York City, I'd go to the off
Speaker 1: track betting UM with a couple friends and years. But
Speaker 1: some of those, some of those who ever walked into
Speaker 1: one in Manhattan, some of them are the end of
Speaker 1: the earth. Take the subway out to Aqueduct. That was.
Speaker 1: That was a weird afternoon that I partaked in there.
Speaker 1: I I saw this this speculation by the way that
Speaker 1: the NFL with this new CBA, they have an out
Speaker 1: after like five or six years or something like that,
Speaker 1: and some of the speculation is that by then the
Speaker 1: in game betting will have over have will be such
Speaker 1: a big part of the broadcast that like it will
Speaker 1: provide an opportunity for the NFL to take this out
Speaker 1: and like renegotiate um things related to that that it's
Speaker 1: providing all this extra value. We'll see. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but things have moved pretty quickly on the like betting front,
Speaker 1: including how the NFL treats it. It's not too long
Speaker 1: ago that the NFL didn't allow our our old friend
Speaker 1: Michael Fabiana, who's no longer at the NFL, not to
Speaker 1: do this fantasy football conference with Tony Romo because, like
Speaker 1: you had to, it was loosely associated with betting. And
Speaker 1: now the NFL has got owners, you know, buying betting companies,
Speaker 1: buying Fandel buying all this stuff. They're kind of embracing it. Now. Well,
Speaker 1: you can't talk about that, no, Now I'm being silent
Speaker 1: In case the bosses listened to this unhappy with you,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be. I think it's totally I think they've
Speaker 1: They've been pretty clear about it. Roger Goodell has been
Speaker 1: out out and about that. They're they're cautious, but they're
Speaker 1: cautiously like allowing this stuff now. Yeah, absolutely things have
Speaker 1: changed in a big way over the last ten years.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it, um. And again, this
Speaker 1: is all based not on sixteen games, but seventeen games.
Speaker 1: Just go through the division's a f C East. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say what their totals are and then you
Speaker 1: guys jump in and tell me if something doesn't pass
Speaker 1: the smell test to you one way or the other. Okay,
Speaker 1: they have the Bills at ten and a half as
Speaker 1: a significant division favorite, the Dolphins and Patriots sitting at nine,
Speaker 1: which you know put some on the playoff bubble. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then the Jets and I imagine this is a
Speaker 1: jump from last season. They're up to seven. Um, so
Speaker 1: a competitive division with the Bills is the clear favorite.
Speaker 1: Anything jump out to either. It's a lot of faith
Speaker 1: in the Jets. I like it. I kind of think
Speaker 1: that you look at where they were the year before,
Speaker 1: they did win a certain amount of games without with
Speaker 1: not a great team. I mean last year, Um, you
Speaker 1: know you it's almost as hard to go winless, are
Speaker 1: close to winless as it is to go five hundreds sometimes,
Speaker 1: and so I think they'll bounce back. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of faith in Robert Sala and in Zach Wiz wherever
Speaker 1: they draft. It's a ten lost season though, and again
Speaker 1: when you look at the difference in schedule, but that
Speaker 1: seven and ten, would that be progress or the Jets
Speaker 1: when they just went to and fourteen and they have
Speaker 1: a new quarterback? Yeah, I think I as tough as
Speaker 1: it is because as Jets fans you've been waiting over
Speaker 1: a decade just to go back to the playoffs. But
Speaker 1: would I view that as progress if the young quarterback
Speaker 1: is looking promising, Yeah, I would take seven wins to me,
Speaker 1: that's a big jump. I mean that is a big
Speaker 1: jump from two. I get the coaching thing, but where
Speaker 1: are the define strength of this team personnel wise? And
Speaker 1: then you're just counting on the rookie quarterback to be
Speaker 1: not just okay, but like to improve their quarterback position
Speaker 1: a lot. That's a lot to ask out of a
Speaker 1: rookie that seems a little rich and what it could
Speaker 1: be a pretty decent division there. It's the solid factor.
Speaker 1: It's I guess some of the additions Carl Lawson, c J.
Speaker 1: Mosley back, and then you have a big draft, and
Speaker 1: then it's on Joe Douglas to lead the way and
Speaker 1: make those right decisions. Um. All right. In the a
Speaker 1: f C North, the Ravens are in the same way
Speaker 1: that the Bills are, UM a significant somewhat significant favorite
Speaker 1: at eleven. They haven't pegged at eleven, so that's eleven
Speaker 1: and six seasons where they kind of see them coming down.
Speaker 1: The Browns are up next at nine and a half,
Speaker 1: so they're kind of a bubble team, which is surprising.
Speaker 1: The Steelers eight and a half and the Bengals six
Speaker 1: and a half. UM, this one. I think you can
Speaker 1: make a case for all these ones being interesting, Mark,
Speaker 1: but let's start with your Browns. There. It felt like
Speaker 1: was a stepping stone season to this being a big
Speaker 1: year for Cleveland. I kind of think it's that way,
Speaker 1: but PFF doesn't quite see it that way. It seems Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a seventeen game season, you're saying
Speaker 1: the odds are they probably go like nine and eight
Speaker 1: in their view. I don't think that's um. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's too harsh because I think the wrong thing
Speaker 1: to do is just to project Cleveland into the a
Speaker 1: f C title game based on what happened last season,
Speaker 1: that this whole division had the easiest schedule in the
Speaker 1: league a year ago, playing the NFC East, and you
Speaker 1: know it really like Cleveland benefited from that and they
Speaker 1: faced teams at the right time. There's still a good
Speaker 1: football team. UM. I don't have a problem with them
Speaker 1: at nine point five. UM I wouldn't say they're ten
Speaker 1: point five. I have more of issues with the slotting
Speaker 1: the Ravens half a game above the Bills. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're a team that seems to me with a number
Speaker 1: of big questions going into the season, right. I think
Speaker 1: the Ravens have had one of the toughest off seasons
Speaker 1: in the league, and at eleven they are third, you know,
Speaker 1: in win totals, behind in the Bucks and the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the two Super Bowl teams, So that that's weird to me.
Speaker 1: The nine and a half, like that's fifth among the
Speaker 1: a f C teams. I know that sounds like it's low,
Speaker 1: but that's not low when you're building in these probabilities. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of room where you have to
Speaker 1: you know understand that the mean you know, which is
Speaker 1: five hundred, is a powerful thing. So they're still saying
Speaker 1: that the Browns are like the fifth best team in
Speaker 1: the a f C, which that sounds about right. I
Speaker 1: love the uh the Steelers here probably as my number
Speaker 1: one um gut instinct on this entire board here is
Speaker 1: that I feel like the offseason narrative is burying them
Speaker 1: way too much, putting them at eight and a half,
Speaker 1: significantly behind the Ravens, I mean with two plus games behind,
Speaker 1: a game behind the Browns, and then more importantly right
Speaker 1: at five hundred. The Tomlin has been there for fourteen years.
Speaker 1: They haven't been below five hundred one time. They won
Speaker 1: twelve games last year. I just feel like there's this
Speaker 1: weird we overrate the end of the season, and statistically
Speaker 1: it's been shown the end of the season, which was
Speaker 1: great for the Browns. The Browns are pretty consistent, is
Speaker 1: not anymore like predictive than the beginning of the season. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: they were good enough to win twelve games. They still
Speaker 1: have a lot of those defensive pieces. I know it's
Speaker 1: been a bad offseason, but if you're telling me I
Speaker 1: got all I need is a fifty fifty chance to
Speaker 1: go above five, I'm taking the Steelers. Is it predictive
Speaker 1: when your quarterback is declining over the course of that
Speaker 1: year and it's not the same guy at the end
Speaker 1: of the year that he was and now I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I think the course of the whole season
Speaker 1: is more instructive, and ultimately they were a passable offense.
Speaker 1: They weren't good, but the running game was the bigger problem,
Speaker 1: and that that's still a concern their offensive line, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of concerns there, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: Like if Vegas was, we're idiots, like everyone would just
Speaker 1: making money. But I like this as I'm pounding the
Speaker 1: over there. And the Steelers were absolute mess in December
Speaker 1: and then that playoff loss. But man, they went eleven
Speaker 1: weeks before they even lost one game before that happened.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could throw all of that away.
Speaker 1: I would, by the way, strip one w from Baltimore here,
Speaker 1: knock them down to ten, give Pittsburgh that if you're
Speaker 1: talking about the averaging it out, Greg and then you
Speaker 1: get Baltimore at ten, Cleveland nine and a half, Steelers
Speaker 1: nine and a half, and keep the Bengals where they are.
Speaker 1: That feels exactly right. That feels exactly right. Af C
Speaker 1: South Colts the favorite at ten, the Titans right behind
Speaker 1: it nine and a half, the Jaguars who went one
Speaker 1: in fifteen m this is an interesting one said at
Speaker 1: six and a half, and the Texans. I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody's as low as the Texans are in this exercise.
Speaker 1: In fact, they're not. There's nobody predicted to be the
Speaker 1: worst team in football four and a half, and it
Speaker 1: is certainly within the realm of possibility that Torod Taylor
Speaker 1: is their quarterback at the start of two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty one, and perhaps deep into it or even all
Speaker 1: of it. I'm cool the Colts and Titans, the Jaguars
Speaker 1: at six and a half, just like the Jets. That's
Speaker 1: a big leap of faith for a team that was
Speaker 1: a dumpster fire last year. I'm with you. I don't
Speaker 1: see them being two games better than the Texans, for instance.
Speaker 1: I'd probably go with the Texans over just because things happen.
Speaker 1: It's not that hard to win six games, man, that's
Speaker 1: a low low number. And uh, I don't know. This
Speaker 1: whole division is kind of reminding me of the mid
Speaker 1: uh two thousand tens. I used to like write like
Speaker 1: the division power rankings and the a f C South
Speaker 1: was kind of garbage for a while. I think we're
Speaker 1: getting back to those days. I guess that's why the
Speaker 1: Colts numbers ten, because there's a thought that they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to beat up on Jacksonville and Tennessee.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that the decline to Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: I think could be a problem. And and you lost
Speaker 1: your left tackle. I like the structure and everything there,
Speaker 1: but this is not a good division. I mean that
Speaker 1: the that a f C South malaise went on for
Speaker 1: so long because there were no quarterbacks in the division. Um,
Speaker 1: now you're saying, if the Cults are gonna go ten,
Speaker 1: ten wins, you're suggesting the Carson Wentz, you get the
Speaker 1: better version of Carson Wentz. I think the Titans are
Speaker 1: a little disrespected here, but I mean, could they go
Speaker 1: nine and the same as the Browns? Though? Right, like
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. I just I don't know if I
Speaker 1: see the Cults as a better team than the Titans necessarily,
Speaker 1: UM and the Jaguars and Texans. I don't hate what
Speaker 1: they did there, I think it's just you're giving a boot.
Speaker 1: You're probably trying to get some action off the the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville thing, but you're not. They're not. They don't decide
Speaker 1: who where action comes from. This is PSFs. They're not
Speaker 1: a voting lobby, so it is crazy to think on
Speaker 1: your quarterback, Well, they're not a gambling house. So it's like,
Speaker 1: who I mean, I don't know what the voting lobby
Speaker 1: thing that was wild enjoyed it af C West this one.
Speaker 1: I think they pretty much nailed with it. For me,
Speaker 1: I would make one slight modification. They're the Chiefs at twelve.
Speaker 1: That's the highest of any team in the league. The
Speaker 1: Chargers at nine, the Broncos at seven and a half,
Speaker 1: the Raiders at seven and a half. You know, I
Speaker 1: would probably bump up the Chargers to nine and a
Speaker 1: half and dropped the Broncos to seven. Where do you
Speaker 1: guys come down on this? Man, I'm I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it because of Herbert, But it's like we're just right
Speaker 1: back on the same train of given the Chargers the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: it until why are they ahead of these two teams
Speaker 1: that when they've been so disappointing these last two years.
Speaker 1: The Raiders have a lower win total than they did
Speaker 1: a year ago with sixteen games. I know it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: the off season narrative is a little bit much. I
Speaker 1: that said, I'm probably gonna be picking the Chargers to
Speaker 1: have a great season, but I don't feel confident at all.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that
Speaker 1: they're that they're so beloved. Well, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: get Derwin James back and he's healthy, Um, Joey Boast
Speaker 1: a healthy you have Austin Ekeler for more time this year,
Speaker 1: You've got second year with Justin Herbert. I think Brandon
Speaker 1: Staley if I know, I get a little hot on
Speaker 1: these coaches, but um, I don't think Brandon Staley. Everything
Speaker 1: we know about him suggests late game meltdowns and and
Speaker 1: and mismanaged. We don't know anything. Everything that's been written
Speaker 1: about him, that he is like a football junkie, extremely detailed,
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be like a shaky game operator.
Speaker 1: That little things like that that seemed to have mystified
Speaker 1: Chargers brass and coaches for a long time. Befement. In
Speaker 1: the heat of the battle, you know these guys that
Speaker 1: are completely untested, Well, I would say that one of
Speaker 1: them calling the plays for them too. He's a defensive coach,
Speaker 1: so it's like, I mean, he wouldn't be calling their offense.
Speaker 1: But when twelve games combined the last two years, that's
Speaker 1: just my main thing, and like, yeah, we always say
Speaker 1: how talented they are. I'm talking out of all sides
Speaker 1: of my mouth because I'm going to be rooting for
Speaker 1: him and thinking they're good, But I would not feel
Speaker 1: comfortable putting any money. That's they're already kind of building
Speaker 1: in that everyone likes this team with that number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you the point you were making Mark All those
Speaker 1: things makes sense for the Charges, but it never seems
Speaker 1: to really come together that way, whether it's meltdowns or
Speaker 1: injuries or whatever. But I'm just like, in one of
Speaker 1: the rare instances of this, I'm trying to think more
Speaker 1: logically than with my feelings, because it's like, logically, they
Speaker 1: should be much better than they've been, So so does that?
Speaker 1: So are we are we chipping two games three games
Speaker 1: off of this version of the Chargers with a new
Speaker 1: coach and knew all this other stuff because of the
Speaker 1: weird stuff that's occurred. I don't know, it's like the same, yes, somewhat,
Speaker 1: because it's the same reason why, you know, the Ravens
Speaker 1: make sense to me as the slight favorites over the
Speaker 1: Browns because you just give like the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubts to the organization, and the Chargers are sort of
Speaker 1: the opposite of that, where you don't at this point
Speaker 1: you should not give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Over in the NFC, we'll start with the East, and
Speaker 1: PFF projects another down year for this uh former Juggernaut
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys, of course because it is spring
Speaker 1: and summer, are the significant favorite to win the NFC
Speaker 1: East that nine and a half, so they see him
Speaker 1: as a nine and eight, ten and seven type team. UH.
Speaker 1: The Washington Football team said at eight, the Giants at seven,
Speaker 1: the Eagles at six and a half. I am digging
Speaker 1: the Cowboys a win, and I'll give it to I'll
Speaker 1: split it between the Giants and Eagles, so I'll knock
Speaker 1: the Cowboys down to eight and a half. Washington Football
Speaker 1: Team at eight and then seven and a half for
Speaker 1: Giants and seven for Eagles. So just the big stew
Speaker 1: of mediocrity with the Cowboys not above anybody. It sounds
Speaker 1: about right. I like that. Yeah, I am with you
Speaker 1: that this division and it does look more interesting at least,
Speaker 1: I mean one of the Cowboys. I know Dak Prescott's back,
Speaker 1: but and I know we got rid of the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: So that's all stop because you got the guy who's
Speaker 1: coaching the Falcons. But it's like, now now we're just
Speaker 1: gonna say their head and shoulders the best team in
Speaker 1: the division. Now I'm out of that game. I'm out. No,
Speaker 1: if Mike McCarthy goes, you know, if they go like
Speaker 1: a soft nine and eight or they go eight and nine.
Speaker 1: If they go eight and nine, Mike McCarthy shouldn't be
Speaker 1: out of there because they do on offense, they should
Speaker 1: be a top seven offense. But they could be a
Speaker 1: top seven offense and still go eight nine. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, NFC North, Let's keep moving with Packers a
Speaker 1: heavy favorite ten and a half, Vikings eight and a half,
Speaker 1: Bears seven, Lions five. Okay, I'm cool with this. I'm
Speaker 1: cool with everything here. Maybe you're Aaron Rodgers is probably
Speaker 1: not gonna play at that level again, maybe Will who knows,
Speaker 1: But still I think the Packers are just a better
Speaker 1: team than all these other teams in the mix. We're considering.
Speaker 1: They've won thirteen games each season the last two, ten
Speaker 1: and a half in a seventeen game season is is,
Speaker 1: so they're kind of building in that regression a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe an opportunity there. I think going under on
Speaker 1: the Bears would be just kind of fun to root for.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know how they've run won
Speaker 1: as many games as they have the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I feel like like, if you told me they're picking
Speaker 1: first overall next season, like that wouldn't shock me. I
Speaker 1: feel like they're they could totally totally fall apart, So
Speaker 1: I might. I'm banging the under there. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: The Bears are screaming. They're screaming at me. Five and twelve, right,
Speaker 1: I think they could be They could be a three Wait.
Speaker 1: I can't even do the math. But three four, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that is that's where if if some no,
Speaker 1: probably not, but if some team goes three and fourteen
Speaker 1: or four and thirteen for some reason, those numbers sound terrible,
Speaker 1: all right? The NFC South, So the Bucks just pantst
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, and we're basically unstoppable
Speaker 1: the last six or seven weeks of the season, but
Speaker 1: they don't get to be above the Chiefs. And this
Speaker 1: exercise there at eleven and a half, which is a
Speaker 1: very nice season, but not installed as the best team
Speaker 1: in the league according to win projection, but still a
Speaker 1: significant favorite. Here the Saints. It has to be five
Speaker 1: years since the Saints were this low. In this exercise
Speaker 1: there at nine, Panthers, seven and a half, Falcon seven.
Speaker 1: Give me that half from the Panthers and give it
Speaker 1: to the Saints. So I would go eleven and a
Speaker 1: half Bucks, nine and a half, Saints seven and seven
Speaker 1: for Panthers and Falcons. What about you, guys? Did this
Speaker 1: come out after Sam Donald went to Carolina bestarred? This
Speaker 1: published date says April seven, so it was after Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm into like checking the out of division schedule,
Speaker 1: and of course they are doing that when they're making
Speaker 1: these and the NFC South plays the two Eastern divisions.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know, if i'm them, I'll take that.
Speaker 1: If I'm the Bucks, um, the Panthers were the one
Speaker 1: that stand out to me though that it's a little
Speaker 1: aggressive here them improving that much having to go over
Speaker 1: seven right now with the quarterback situation, I don't like
Speaker 1: their offensive line. Like a lot of questions on defense,
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you need to get to eight and
Speaker 1: not eight and nine there to win that. It seems
Speaker 1: a little Yeah. I think if they had they made
Speaker 1: a big splash at quarterback, I had no problem with
Speaker 1: a higher number. But there are a question mark right
Speaker 1: now to some degree, if before all this madness, if
Speaker 1: they had had if they got to Shaun Watson, where
Speaker 1: would they be here? They'd be probably nine and a
Speaker 1: half or ten. You would think, right, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm gonna bang that if in another
Speaker 1: world where you're allowed banging it over on the Saints,
Speaker 1: you don't even have to tell you don't even have
Speaker 1: to tell us. Finally, the NFC West, the Rams and Niners.
Speaker 1: This is the only division in this whole exercise where
Speaker 1: they've installed co favorites both ten and a half um
Speaker 1: Rams and Niners. So they are all in, uh pff
Speaker 1: on the Niners getting healthy and becoming a force in
Speaker 1: the NFC again. The Seahawks, who fashioned themselves a win
Speaker 1: now champion level team nine and a half, So PF
Speaker 1: thinks they're, you know, a wild card team at best,
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals is an important year for Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: and that entire operation. They said at eight, so a
Speaker 1: middling five, just below team which is not going to
Speaker 1: get it done. In fact, I think that's gonna get
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury fired if they finished under five hundred year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean if they go eight and nine,
Speaker 1: you'd have to question what the vision is there. They
Speaker 1: have their quarterback. Um, they got the Sloan Award for
Speaker 1: the greatest trade of last season of bringing DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: and they've got J J. Watt. I know it's not
Speaker 1: the version of j J. Watt from half a decade.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the Sloan Award either. I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure we got the right. It was from Alpha Award.
Speaker 1: It was from the Sloan Conference. Yes, the Sloan Conference
Speaker 1: Alpha Award for best Sports. Like what they've done. I
Speaker 1: I was more surprised by the NFC West totals than
Speaker 1: any other, UM, especially the Rams and the forty niners
Speaker 1: having the same total as the Packers and the Bills,
Speaker 1: for instance. I don't that's a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: in there. That's a lot of projection. And I like
Speaker 1: what the Rams have done the last few years, and
Speaker 1: I like the Matthew Stafford move, but yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you gotta see it. And then the forty Niners, especially,
Speaker 1: let's be real, Kyle san Ann said one. I know
Speaker 1: the injuries have been crazy, but they've only had one
Speaker 1: season and over five so they're putting up there high
Speaker 1: without really any clarity of the quarterback situation and a
Speaker 1: little concern that you know, you're asking a lot out
Speaker 1: of a rookie potentially. I think they've shown a lot
Speaker 1: of faith in Sean McVeigh, a lot of faith in
Speaker 1: Kyl Shanahan, which wouldn't surprise me from from PF. But
Speaker 1: the Niners, like last year, probably would have been they
Speaker 1: would have been a wild card team if they weren't
Speaker 1: ravaged by injuries. But but I will say this that
Speaker 1: there is a lot of projecting the Niners doing X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, and I do a lot of it
Speaker 1: because of Shanahan, Like if he gets a healthy quarterback
Speaker 1: for the full season and they don't make the playoffs, Um,
Speaker 1: you have to look at what's happened with the Niners
Speaker 1: in San Francisco and say you'd expect a little more
Speaker 1: from Kyle Shanahan. So I think it's an important, very
Speaker 1: important season. If they go less than ten, you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: I'm ripping off a half win from Rams and Niners
Speaker 1: and given it all to the Cardinals. So I'll put
Speaker 1: them at ten, Seahawks at nine and a half. They
Speaker 1: deserve to be get a little more respect for what
Speaker 1: they've done over the last twelve years or so, and
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, um chill there at eight. I'm not very
Speaker 1: high on that team, even though they did win the
Speaker 1: Jumbo Award, excuse me, the Alpha Award. I mean, Cliff
Speaker 1: Cliff gets a lot of heat. For give us. They
Speaker 1: have improved their their win total significantly in each of
Speaker 1: his seasons, and even eight wins would be what another
Speaker 1: He took over a very bad team. Now, but it's
Speaker 1: it's okay, They're okay. You don't have to fire everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give us that cyclops. Maybe we'll do like a live
Speaker 1: like when they're announcing the award, will go on live
Speaker 1: on Instagram or some right after to say how mad
Speaker 1: we are or to how happy we are. Either way,
Speaker 1: either the Clops. Well, why were we not invited to
Speaker 1: the event. I mean, any gala award banquet type scenario
Speaker 1: we'd be at a round table would be us and
Speaker 1: probably you know SI podcast types. You weren't invited. No,
Speaker 1: Well so you okay? Yeah, Dan, and I got this.
Speaker 1: So you guys are gonna do your live instagram from
Speaker 1: the event while I'm at my house. Um, someone, a
Speaker 1: shadowy league figure emailed me late last week's and they
Speaker 1: were entertained by our general approach and reaction to our
Speaker 1: award nomination. And to that, I say, don't misconstrue where
Speaker 1: I'm coming from. I want that Cyclops and I want
Speaker 1: a bed, and if I don't get it, Uh, that's
Speaker 1: going to be hell to pay. Maybe some vengeance will
Speaker 1: be declared. I don't know. I hope it doesn't get
Speaker 1: to that. I mean, I look at our competition and
Speaker 1: I respect everyone because I know how hard it is
Speaker 1: to put together a quality program. But you can't say
Speaker 1: anybody else deserves the Cyclops. Well what if we lost
Speaker 1: a mad Dog? I mean, that's like a childhood hero
Speaker 1: of ours, it Field, and didn't he win like seventeen
Speaker 1: Marconi's during his Mike and the mad Dog Run. Can
Speaker 1: we calm down with that? I love? And Dan's done
Speaker 1: the work. He's listened to extensive back cat back catalogs
Speaker 1: of all these podcasts like you know Notes Golfing, Joe Wrestling,
Speaker 1: Bob and you know he's and if we lose to
Speaker 1: a golf podcast, um, it would be time for some introspection,
Speaker 1: right who was talking? Who is listening to a go?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, I'm probably gonna get like
Speaker 1: people I know, but to sit and chat about it
Speaker 1: like on a is it a three times a week
Speaker 1: grinding through the Gulf? Will's Twitter feed like was like
Speaker 1: a live stream of his thoughts about the people people
Speaker 1: love it. I try to, like I'm trying to. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to improve myself as a person enough that like,
Speaker 1: I don't judge people for liking golf because it's after
Speaker 1: this pandemic. Everyone should just do whatever you enjoy, go
Speaker 1: go be there. But I haven't quite gotten there yet.
Speaker 1: I don't podcast do judge them a little bit, even
Speaker 1: though as well, I believe this podcast had a bit
Speaker 1: of a defiant anti golf streak to it in past years.
Speaker 1: I would say, not not myself, but some of the
Speaker 1: other members of the show. Hey, I worked at multiple
Speaker 1: golf course. I know we heard it playing, but I
Speaker 1: did to Greg, and I formed my opinions off of that. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, carrying like two giant golf bags up and
Speaker 1: down huge hills and making eight dollars for the entire
Speaker 1: like eighteen holes in nine or something. Absurd job, Erica,
Speaker 1: I'm just continuing the podcast right now, just because you
Speaker 1: didn't jump in soon enough about the Drew Barrymore conversation.
Speaker 1: It's a penalty to you. There we go. Now we're
Speaker 1: all covered. Thank you for that. Um all right. Uh,
Speaker 1: and Will Brinson if you're listening, I'm sorry, but you
Speaker 1: had to hear that. We love Will. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: the sport well of course, of CBS fame. We will
Speaker 1: be back on Thursday with another show, um, so make
Speaker 1: sure you check that out. And then Friday, the NFL
Speaker 1: Network program returns. We had a nice show this past week.
Speaker 1: We did some a t and Jeopardy. Ricky Hollywood came
Speaker 1: out on top. A nice job. Nice performance by Erica there. Um.
Speaker 1: Greg did not even make it. He didn't make the
Speaker 1: final Jeopardy. You have to be have positive cash earnings
Speaker 1: after Double Jeopardy to qualify for Final Jeopardy, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: Greg was sitting at a goose egg, eliminating him from
Speaker 1: the competition. He was not happy about it, and he
Speaker 1: kind of hit out at me, which felt unfair because
Speaker 1: all I was was the host. Sometimes though, it's not
Speaker 1: about who won the title, like I was the audiences favorite.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like sometimes the actor that doesn't win
Speaker 1: the Oscar, that's the performance that everyone remembers years from now.
Speaker 1: And I saw you kind of the Kevin James of
Speaker 1: that particularly. Second think Greg German, Gregg German was disgusting
Speaker 1: today show. All right, that's it, it's the Dan Answers
Speaker 1: signing off four Huiet stormed the old boss Ricky Hollywood
Speaker 1: behind the virtual glass until Thursday the call. I mean,
Speaker 1: people didn't even know Greg Derman when Ally mcbeel was
Speaker 1: on the air. No, he had to top back then
Speaker 1: that he would he he didn't know his name. I
Speaker 1: didn't know his name, but I knew exactly who he was.
Speaker 1: I do. I watched Ally mcbeel regularly, I would say
Speaker 1: at least for a few seasons. Yep, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty good show. I'll defend it. I'll
Speaker 1: defend it. I think it fell off a cliff pretty quick,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of fun for a while.