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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Nothing free about free agency. I'm telling you, until they go.

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Speaker 4: Out there and make a splash on the receiver market,

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Speaker 3: Before we get into what they haven't done yet. Let's

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Speaker 2: We got to be honest about it.

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Speaker 3: We will get to that. I want to talk about

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Speaker 3: who they've signed first. I'm getting there because everyone writes

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Speaker 2: He started all year, but he's stunked to I didn't

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Speaker 3: He's stock questions for Paul and the group on their

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, we're doing math over here.

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Speaker 3: Three years and eleven is thirty three. I'll read this again. Michelle,

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Speaker 3: It is Thursday here at Jillette Stadium and free agent

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Speaker 3: frenzy going on at Jillette Stadium. Seven free agents signs

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. So the car wash is going on with

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Speaker 3: free agents, so let's get right into it. It's Evan,

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Speaker 3: Paul Stuce, it's me, it's Matt and the booth. Let's

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Speaker 3: talk about some of these signings that they've made. Very sensible,

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Speaker 1: I like how you said, Fred Wall.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Romeo Dobs because he was signed I

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Speaker 7: Stretch for that one. I think they did it.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday too with Byered.

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Speaker 5: Catchwenty two ended in thirty minutes later.

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Speaker 5: They got to be worried about it.

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Speaker 3: I think in their heads they're actually giving us respect.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, right, interesting way to want. Interesting take that's.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty of talking my Romeo Doctors, Romeo Dows. I

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Speaker 2: My impression of him, strong hands, uh you know, tough player,

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Speaker 8: I was a little surprised by it because of the

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Speaker 7: He's a much better player.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he he just has some incredible instincts like that.

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Speaker 8: I just hope he still has something. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: So would you consider those two guys the top so

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Vera Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's more details have come out though

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Speaker 8: You are you considering the roster game day roster bonus incentives.

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Speaker 3: Whereabout like Pro Bowl, no.

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Speaker 8: Plays in the game, he could play like crap game

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Speaker 2: Now that's why I get his money.

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Speaker 4: Well, he has a six million dollar incentive package that

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Speaker 8: Twenty one million dollar guarantee, so he doesn't have to

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Speaker 7: So they this is a you know, an investment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's opposite in the spectrum, hoping they

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Speaker 7: The highest risk one out of them.

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Speaker 8: You know, Dobbs has missed some games, but I think

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Speaker 7: Most, if not all, of what you had from Diggs.

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Speaker 8: I think he can be a guy that goes from

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Speaker 7: Eighty catches easily.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, easily because of all the things that Evan and

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just thought it made sense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, you nailed this one.

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Speaker 4: I when he was coming out of college, he was

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Speaker 4: And that was so I was kind of in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: And once I started to dig into his tape, like

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Speaker 4: cap now. I still have reservations about, you know, to

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Speaker 4: that guy? Probably not. But he had forty one first

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Speaker 4: Diggs had fifty one first downs for the Patriots on

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Speaker 4: higher volume. So like he's from an efficiency standpoint, he's

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Speaker 5: So I like that at a higher volume.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like a skill set with Drake too. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just like his hands stood out to me. He's

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good match for Drake. I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into this as we start our draft countdown

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Speaker 2: show this week. How does it affect the need and

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Speaker 2: Are you still interested in guys like we talked about Concepcione,

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Speaker 2: mean him and Omark Cooper probably very similar to what

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Speaker 2: you look more towards interesting Brazzle or Boston's a big

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Speaker 5: We're back in that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is Diggs right, Like he's going to

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Speaker 4: play a role similar to Stefan Diggs. Diggs played the

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Speaker 1: They moved him there because they weren't playing him there earlier.

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Speaker 5: It was it was it was fifty to fifty. It

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Speaker 4: I'll put that out there, but you know, just pure

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Speaker 4: slot snaps. You know, Dobbs was much more of an

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Speaker 4: X receiver in Green Bay, but they run a lot

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Speaker 8: One other thing I liked about Dobbs Freddie was He's

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Speaker 5: The Packers game last year is a clinic.

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Speaker 4: Like if you really want to get excited about that guy,

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was putting on an absolute show.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting guy off the field too, and I you know,

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Speaker 2: the combine. I guess he gus. He said like as

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Speaker 1: So a lot of the interviews he did during the combine.

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Speaker 2: He had the chills and was naxious, and I think

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Speaker 1: Seems pretty in the middle.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to see he's gonna come out here today

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Speaker 7: So those are the two big ones, Freddy, but they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they get the tight end out of Miami.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Julian Hill saw Mike Reese report today. Three years,

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Speaker 8: eighteen million. I don't know what the guarantee is, so,

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Speaker 7: I would think if they've given him that kind.

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Speaker 8: Of a a term, he's got a reputation as a blocker,

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Speaker 7: He's not much of a receiver.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's another guy you get your blocking tight end.

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Speaker 3: I know that's important to you.

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Speaker 8: I will say, I'm reading a little bit about this yesterday,

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Speaker 7: Some say he's tremendous, some say he's terrible.

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Speaker 4: Well, his PFF grade was terrible, so you're only going

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Speaker 5: Watch the guy play.

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Speaker 8: Maybe that's what it is. Maybe people are seeing that

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Speaker 8: He's a penalty waiting to happen. He can't block anybody.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I did.

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Speaker 4: The PF PFF grades are not kind to him in

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Speaker 3: And you guys have talked about the tight end class.

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Speaker 4: So this guy, you know, Hill, I think you're hoping,

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Speaker 5: On third and one, you know that sort of thing.

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Speaker 7: Such a couple of one touchdowns and you get go

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Speaker 2: Block for a second and then slip out dump off

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's to me these signings, you know, with

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Speaker 7: Mike Brown and kJ Britt who special teamer guys.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, and that's this is free agency

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Speaker 2: a guy who can move. Maybe that becomes you know,

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Speaker 2: have to find a complimentary blocker for Hunter Henry. You

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Speaker 2: our spots with him. So it makes me more excited

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Speaker 2: about the tight end class in the draft. I didn't

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Speaker 2: two spot. Like Paul said, this feels like t E

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Chase On, he had a very nice post

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Speaker 2: So I was I was shocked by that.

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Speaker 1: I just I this is his third year.

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Speaker 3: Was shot.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked that he signed it. No that he

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Speaker 2: spoke a lot about wanting to find a home. I

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Speaker 2: thought he earned himself a lucrative multi year contract with

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Speaker 2: his playoff run, and then to see him sign another

444
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Speaker 2: one year deal, to me, I mean I felt like

445
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Speaker 2: the Patriots could have done that if they wanted to.

446
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Speaker 2: So to me, it makes it seem like, I don't

447
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Speaker 2: know if we I think we said it on the

448
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Speaker 2: show where it feels a little bit more like Draymond

449
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Speaker 2: Jones is kind of that replacement.

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Speaker 1: That's him, that's what they want.

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Speaker 8: And I was a little surprised by I'm with Mike

452
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Speaker 8: on this one. I thought that, you know, when they

453
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Speaker 8: when I saw they signed Jones, I figured, well, that

454
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Speaker 8: means they don't think that they're in the market. But

455
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Speaker 8: I mean they gave Jones more money, certainly more guaranteed,

456
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Speaker 8: you know, you know, almost double guaranteed. So I was

457
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Speaker 8: a little surprised that that, you know, one maybe just

458
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Speaker 8: people just start believing still. So he's you know because

459
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Speaker 8: one year, twelve million, that's.

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Speaker 3: A good payday.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just like you figured after signing back

462
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Speaker 8: to back years for one year, you'd be able to

463
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Speaker 8: get a multi year deal.

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Speaker 2: And last year. Yeah, maybe that's wrong, but I wrote

465
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Speaker 2: down one.

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Speaker 8: I thought it was one in five too, But I

467
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Speaker 8: think it might have been like Evan Yes, with the insane.

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Speaker 5: I think that you know, there.

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Speaker 4: It seems to me like they just decided that we're

470
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Speaker 4: just not really going to overreact to the fact that

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Speaker 4: we made the Super Bowl because all these moves that

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Speaker 4: they have made, I feel like moves that they probably

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Speaker 4: were going to make, whether they made the Super Bowl

474
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Speaker 4: or they were had a nice eight and nine season, and.

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Speaker 5: You know, kind of made it a little bit.

476
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Speaker 4: Of progress because with that, you know, they Anthony Jennings

477
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Speaker 4: had a great playoff run, they still cut him just

478
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Speaker 4: the way that he's been kind of writing on the

479
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Speaker 4: wall for going all the way back to training camp

480
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Speaker 4: last August, Calevon Chason was here on a one year

481
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Speaker 4: deal as a holdover, kind of stop gap type of player.

482
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Speaker 4: They didn't over extend and and didn't re sign him.

483
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Speaker 4: Uh you know, Garrett Bradberry being kind of a one

484
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Speaker 4: and done player, with Jared Wilson moving back to his

485
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Speaker 4: regular position at center, like all these things I think

486
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Speaker 4: were Jilanie Devai, like Jennings, we knew this was coming.

487
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Speaker 4: We knew this was coming here six months and they

488
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Speaker 4: did it.

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Speaker 8: Now, you know, even like a guy like Jack Gibbons,

490
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Speaker 8: who I don't I don't close the door on him yet,

491
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Speaker 8: but they you know, according to Mike Greece, they did

492
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Speaker 8: not offer him an RFA tender, so like you look

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Speaker 8: at the guy like a kJ Britt, is that like

494
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Speaker 8: Jack Gibbons, you know, a guy who they a linebacker

495
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Speaker 8: by trade, who's going to play special teams?

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Speaker 7: Can he fill in in a pinch? You know, I

497
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Speaker 7: don't know, he hasn't played a ton.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was gonna bring on. Sorry Paul,

499
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Speaker 2: but you know when Evan said it, and it's I

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Speaker 2: mean Jack Gibbons, doctor Givey that he's one of those

501
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Speaker 2: vable guys, and you would maybe assume that they'd be

502
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Speaker 2: attached to him, I think, I mean, and again, like

503
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Speaker 2: he could be back. I don't. I don't rule that out,

504
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Speaker 2: but I still think that it's a good example of

505
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Speaker 2: what Evan's talking about that they didn't, you know, get

506
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Speaker 2: too enamored with their guys. They filled in a lot

507
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Speaker 2: of holes last year. But to me, it looks like

508
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Speaker 2: in season Josh is saying, really wish we had a

509
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Speaker 2: blocking tight end. You know, I really wish I had

510
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Speaker 2: a real full back right now, you know, like you

511
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Speaker 2: see some of the holes that they got into the

512
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Speaker 2: season where he's like, I really wish we had X,

513
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Speaker 2: Y and Z. Let's get those next.

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Speaker 8: I see, I can't argue with that. They absolutely fill

515
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Speaker 8: very specific holes. They're just not necessarily the ones I

516
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Speaker 8: was expecting, right, you know, I think Josh's special, you know,

517
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Speaker 8: I think in a large part when you look at

518
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Speaker 8: I mean, we can get into semantics and I'm sure

519
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Speaker 8: Fred's going to, but I think they're basically a very

520
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Speaker 8: similar team.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 8: I think they had some holes that they had last

523
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Speaker 8: year that they don't have now, and they still have

524
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Speaker 8: some holes that they had last year that they really

525
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Speaker 8: haven't filled. You know, on paper, the offensive line is better,

526
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Speaker 8: the wide receiver corps is in my view, roughly the same,

527
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Speaker 8: and I felt like they needed to be better going in. So,

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Speaker 8: you know, I think this a lot of similarities, you know,

529
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Speaker 8: in terms of what they are right now. And we'll

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Speaker 8: see if there's a you know, a bigger move that's

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Speaker 8: still to be minute.

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Speaker 2: And I mean just to throw it out, I mean,

533
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Speaker 2: we've talked consistently about in AJ call Antonio Brown a

534
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Speaker 2: J Brown's contract, that it's prohibitive and that it's very

535
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Speaker 2: possible as we were kind of like thrown out that

536
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Speaker 2: they might know we're gonna move make a move for him, and.

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Speaker 8: You know, you wired a receiver who's demonstratively better than

538
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Speaker 8: Romeo Dobbs. I think that that makes your wide receiver

539
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Speaker 8: room look entirely different, you know, And I don't rule

540
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Speaker 8: that out. That's very much on the table.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's some of these positions that

542
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Speaker 4: we're talking about, the you know, edge linebacker, or they

543
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Speaker 4: didn't bring back some of their guys. I think a

544
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Speaker 4: big part of that to me is like they're planning

545
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Speaker 4: on drafting guys at those spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so edge for sure.

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Speaker 8: So if you your point of they treated it like

548
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Speaker 8: they were at eight to nine on the rise.

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Speaker 4: Right, So like if they brought back Chase On and

550
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Speaker 4: they brought back Anthony Jennings, and they brought back to

551
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Speaker 4: Vay and they brought back doctor Gibby, they bring back

552
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Speaker 4: all these guys, like the rookies are all blocked now

553
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Speaker 4: by players that have been in the system, that are

554
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Speaker 4: veteran players in the league. So I think a lot

555
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Speaker 4: of these positions, you know, I throw tight end in

556
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Speaker 4: their safety, you know, with Buyer just being on the

557
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: one year deal, like they're kind of opening opportunity so

558
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Speaker 4: that when the draft class comes in, you know that

559
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Speaker 4: whoever they draft at edge is probably going to be

560
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Speaker 4: with one of their first two picks, like that guy

561
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Speaker 4: is going to have a runway now to really take

562
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Speaker 4: a role and earn it, you know. And same thing

563
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Speaker 4: at linebacker, like if you bring back to Vay and

564
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Speaker 4: Gibbons and all these linebackers, like if you draft a

565
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Speaker 4: linebacker pretty early, you know, now you're you're getting crowded

566
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Speaker 4: in that room. And I think that a lot of

567
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Speaker 4: these different spots they're trying to pave the way. You know,

568
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Speaker 4: safety will sign buyer to a one year deal. They'll

569
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Speaker 4: probably draft somebody in the third or fourth round again

570
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Speaker 4: like they did with Craig Woodson. Maybe that guy plays

571
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Speaker 4: as a third safety as a rookie to get him

572
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Speaker 4: on the field, and then you know, in twenty twenty seven,

573
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Speaker 4: he's your starting safety with Craig woods and that's the yeah, obviously,

574
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Speaker 4: you know. So I think that's true at a lot

575
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Speaker 4: of these different spots, is they're kind of trying to

576
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Speaker 4: keep spots open for these rookies to earn roles so

577
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Speaker 4: that they're not all just kind of sitting way.

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Speaker 3: So I would say at this point in March, Patriots

579
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Speaker 3: are better than they were last year. I would not

580
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Speaker 3: say that, but I would not.

581
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Speaker 2: I think they've had a really solid free agency. I

582
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Speaker 2: mean I think that the trajectory for me is always.

583
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Speaker 3: Because I'm also factoring in Drake's improvement.

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they still have needs. There's no question.

585
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Speaker 3: If here then they won't be But I don't think

586
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Speaker 3: he will.

587
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Speaker 7: Why don't I'm going to quarterbacks worse?

588
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Speaker 1: Will they be worse?

589
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Speaker 7: I'm going to do it like everybody else does.

590
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Speaker 8: I'm going to assess, like all the players that they

591
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Speaker 8: already had as being constance, like if they all get

592
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Speaker 8: better from last year.

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Speaker 3: Of course that I didn't say, Oh, I said, Drake will.

594
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Speaker 5: Okay better than the MVP runner un Yeah, I mean I.

595
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Speaker 7: Guess you could win.

596
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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Oh, you don't think there's room for improvement? Yes, right,

597
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Speaker 3: of course. Of course, of course you don't think he will.

598
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Speaker 7: I don't.

599
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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 8: I think I think he had a tremendous season, and

601
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Speaker 8: I don't think he's going to be much better next year.

602
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Speaker 3: Wow.

603
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Speaker 7: I think he might get a similar season.

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Speaker 3: Okay, hold that take everyone.

605
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Speaker 7: I mean, I think he can be the runner up

606
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Speaker 7: in the MVP again.

607
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Speaker 4: I same, I don't think it has Like my saying

608
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Speaker 4: that they're a little bit worse right now. Is something

609
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 4: to do with Drake. I just think wide receiver. I'm

610
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Speaker 4: not ready to say that Romeo Dobbs is as good

611
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Speaker 4: as Stefan Diggs.

612
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Speaker 5: I'm just he's just never done it yet.

613
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Speaker 7: Say it's a projection, absolutely.

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Speaker 4: You know with you, but Diggs just had a thousand

615
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Speaker 4: yard season coming off of torn acl it. Dobbs has

616
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Speaker 4: never been over seven and fifty yards in his career.

617
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Speaker 4: So before we start to put him in four time

618
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Speaker 4: Pro Bowl or Stefan Diggs's you know level, let's let

619
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Speaker 4: him prove it first. And the edge rusher position is

620
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Speaker 4: still a big concern in my opinion. I just they

621
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Speaker 4: don't have enough there. I like Draymond Jones. I think

622
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Speaker 4: he's a fine player, but you don't know what you're

623
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Speaker 4: getting out of Harold Landry at this stage. Elijah Ponder

624
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Speaker 4: in a in Swinson. Ponder had some moments, had some flashes.

625
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Speaker 3: But it really didn't get a lot out of Landry

626
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: last year either.

627
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Speaker 5: Well, he played the whole season until the end.

628
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Speaker 4: But you know what I'm saying, barely Yeah, I guess,

629
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Speaker 4: but I I don't even know if Landry's going to

630
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 4: be available, like he was out there last year. Like

631
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Speaker 4: his his decline obviously you know, is right with the

632
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: knee injury, but like he played snaps for you last

633
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: year in the first six weeks of the season, he

634
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: was really good, you know.

635
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Speaker 5: So I just I don't know. I think that they

636
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 5: have a long way to go at that spot.

637
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Speaker 8: I'm just going off of like the offseason, like guys

638
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 8: they brought in as opposed to the guys that are

639
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 8: going out, I think is about a wash. I think

640
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Speaker 8: it's very similar like Chase on in Jones to me,

641
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 8: is like the poster of that. Like I think you

642
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 8: had a guy who had a very specific skill set

643
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Speaker 8: and you signed a guy with a very specific skill

644
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Speaker 8: set to kind of replace.

645
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Speaker 3: What about the outlook for the offensive line.

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Speaker 8: I think I think that they should be better if

647
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Speaker 8: he plays. If he continues to play forty three, if

648
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 8: a possible eighty five games, then he can.

649
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Speaker 3: If the sun comes up, we'll have another day tomorrow. Okay.

650
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Speaker 7: I think the offensive line is better.

651
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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

652
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Speaker 5: I just think that they have a lot of this.

653
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Speaker 8: But if he doesn't play, it ain't bad, of course,

654
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 8: not where we're having He generally doesn't play so I'm

655
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 8: going off of history program.

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Speaker 4: It's just a lot of the same things that we're

657
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: still talking about. They're still talking about them needing high

658
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 4: end talent and wide receiver. We're still talking about them

659
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Speaker 4: needing a high end pass rusher. Like these things could

660
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Speaker 4: be addressed, but until they are, I think that it's

661
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: if they're better, it's marginal. I mean, I just I

662
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 4: look at those two spots as those are the impact players,

663
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: and what.

664
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: Should be the expectations should you expect at the end

665
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: of free agency every year that you feel like the

666
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: team is absolutely improved significantly from I think I think

667
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: that's the hope.

668
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, I don't know if you know. It

669
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: doesn't always.

670
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 7: It definitely doesn't always happen that way, but hope.

671
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree completely about the edge. You guys know,

672
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: I've been hitting that since like last year when I

673
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: said that this was going to be need. But I

674
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: think generally this is how you have to operate when

675
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: you're a team in free agency and you fill your

676
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: holes and then there's some solid guys and there's some

677
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: swings on some injury guys, but ultimately it's gonna come

678
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: down to the draft and drafting well and getting another

679
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, round of three four players that hopefully come

680
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: in and those are the guys that you're going to

681
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: build around. So I other than the edge position right now,

682
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: I feel I feel really good about what they've done.

683
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: I just I don't know what more you could ask

684
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: other than force Alec Pearce to go hit free agency

685
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: so you can try to get them, you know, and

686
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: maybe they're still going for Brown too. So, but where

687
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: we sit right now, four days into free agency and

688
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: one day into real the new league gear, I feel

689
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: pretty good about where they've.

690
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 7: Gotten better in spots.

691
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 8: I think Buyer it's better than Hawkins, and I think

692
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 8: Vera Tucker's better than Bradbury.

693
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 7: I think those are spots that they've improved on.

694
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: But you do have to count on these guys to improve,

695
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Like you do have to say, sure, you guys have

696
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: to get better next year. I mean, you can't.

697
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: It's not going to be good enough.

698
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: Next year with how the rookie's played, especially a guy

699
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: like Craig Woodson.

700
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: I love having buyered in and that experience.

701
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: Now he gets, you know, for starter veteran safety that

702
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: knows everything about the system, he's gonna make you know,

703
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: he needs to be better. They got to fill some

704
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: depth in some spots for sure. But Will Campbell, Jared Wilson,

705
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: Drake May, Williams, I'm optimistic, you know, I'm optimistic.

706
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: I just like I expect those guys to be good

707
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: like they played well last year. I don't expect there

708
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: to be like a major drop off where now it's like,

709
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 4: oh man, you know, Kreik Woodson's not an NFL player, Like, No,

710
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: Kraig Woodson is a good player. You know, we saw

711
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: it with our own eyes. You know, Drake May is

712
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 4: going to be a very good quarterback for a very

713
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: long time. Yeah, like that, whether he there's rooms for

714
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: him to improve Diffred's point or not. Like he's going

715
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: to be elite for a very long time. They they

716
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: need to supplement all that with a little bit more so,

717
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: all right.

718
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: So we'll talk about it with you. Are the Patriots

719
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: on paper going to be better than they were last year?

720
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't know record wise if that means, but I

721
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: mean as a better team.

722
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 8: And I would just say, this is why I brought

723
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 8: up the whole semantic thing, because I think if I

724
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 8: would expect the team to be better because of all

725
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 8: the guys that were here that generally you expect to

726
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 8: make a year two jump. I'm asking about free agency,

727
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 8: Like that's not the same thing. Like I just you know,

728
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 8: like did they did they acquire more than they lost?

729
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 8: They'd say it's about a watch.

730
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: Did they make their team better to freeze? That's not

731
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: a good question.

732
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 8: Those are two different talk about like do I expect

733
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 8: Craig Woodson and trevy On Henderson and most certainly Will

734
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 8: Campbell and Jared Wilson, who I don't think played all

735
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 8: that great? Do I expect them to be better in

736
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 8: year two?

737
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: Yes?

738
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 8: That's I mean, that's why you're here, like to improve

739
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 8: from your rookie year to your guys the limit that

740
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 8: should make you better.

741
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: That's just the question of where we seeing ceilings or floors,

742
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: you know, and that and where in between are we

743
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: And you know, how high is Craig Woodson's ceiling, how

744
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: high is Will Campbell's ceiling really at left tackle or

745
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: wherever he.

746
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: May end up?

747
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: And what's Jared Wilson look like at center? Is that

748
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: you know the easy slide in for Garrett Bradbury and

749
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: you know there's no drop off or is there a

750
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: learning curve with him at center next year to a

751
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: little bit.

752
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: Andrew in Westchester, New York says, just saw the trailer

753
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: for the new episode of Forge of Foxboro. I have

754
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: to say it has me pumped up for the new season.

755
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: The production quality of the series continues to be outstanding.

756
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: Kudos to the content team for putting up such great work. PS.

757
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: What are the chances that we will get an inside

758
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: look at the new facility at some point in the

759
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: off season. Be cool to get a look at that.

760
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you that at some point we'll have

761
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: some sort of tour and look inside the facility. I

762
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: can tell you one thing. I was in yesterday, just

763
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: happy to be in there. And if I'm a player,

764
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: I'm excited. You know, there's some cool I mean, the

765
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: locker room itself is huge. It's huge, so big that

766
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: you don't even have to add anything for preseason for

767
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: the extra players. Really yeah, oh yeah.

768
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 4: That's good because they they had to put those things

769
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 4: in lockers in the middle. That like back to high school,

770
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: where you have like these modular lockers in the middle

771
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: of the locker room.

772
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: And now you know, we'll have we'll have sneak peaks,

773
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if there's sneak peaks, but

774
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: we'll have looks at the new facility and it's really

775
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: it's really, really good.

776
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: We have a lot of moving trucks around taking football

777
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 5: down there.

778
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're moving out. Players are back in the building

779
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: April twentieth, and that's the building they'll be in. They're

780
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: not coming back to the stadium, they're coming back to

781
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: the new building. So very excited about that, and excited

782
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: about Forge and Foxborough will be coming out soon, so

783
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: stay tuned for that. All right, Let's get to the phones.

784
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: Eight five to five Pats five hundred. A lot to

785
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: digest here, all the Patriots free agent signings. It's not

786
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: over yet. We'll see what else they have in store,

787
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: but most of these guys are in the building right

788
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: now and getting a look at the stadium and meeting people.

789
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 8: I believe seven of those eight will be available. kJ

790
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 8: Britt I think is the only one part of that group.

791
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, seven of them are just officially renounced at this

792
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 4: sign the contracts Dobbs, Jones, Vera, Tucker Bayern, Gilliam Hill Brown.

793
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah sounds good. All right, let's start with HERM and

794
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: DC what's up herm fellas?

795
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 9: Uh, two good questions offer the question.

796
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 10: And a draft question.

797
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 9: So is there a world where the Patriots basically nix

798
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 9: the plans about Adrian Brown and pretty much goes to

799
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 9: KH and Booty is like, listen, we're just gonna w

800
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 9: targets and it's gonna be a thousand thousand yard receiver

801
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 9: right there right again, going back to Coach Rail's point

802
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 9: getting youngest, seper, fastest.

803
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 6: Yes, obviously Brown's better in case of body. But if

804
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 6: you just in theorior double his target, that's your thousand

805
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 6: yd receiver right there, right. And then the second question

806
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 6: was about tied into the draft. I'm a big sim

807
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 6: Rouse guy, but I was wondering what your thought are

808
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 6: on this guy from Notre Dame Elian. I think.

809
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 9: I think he has the lowest drop right in the country.

810
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 6: Question take thank you?

811
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks?

812
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: He tore his ACL twice.

813
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: Always got back around, always got one Notre damn tight

814
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: end to talk about. It's like they're like a factory there.

815
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 4: Roush is a really intriguing prospect. He's really raw, you know,

816
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: especially as a route runner. Uh, just doesn't you know

817
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 4: at the top of the route, drifts a little bit,

818
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, drifts into contact things that he's going to

819
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 4: have to really improve on.

820
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 5: But he's huge and he can run. I mean, he's

821
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 5: a great athlete.

822
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: He's like two hundred and sixty five pounds and he

823
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: tested through the roof at the combine at that size.

824
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: Uh So I actually think that, you know, he could

825
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 4: probably lose a couple of pounds and get into a

826
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: little bit better playing weight to be a little bit

827
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: more dynamic than he even already is. So you see

828
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: this movement like it just him running across the field

829
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: and things like that. He can really build up speed,

830
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: but he's pretty raw. The Notre Dame tight end, I

831
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: don't think he had a ton of receiving production, if

832
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken. You know, another one of these classic

833
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: Notre Dame tight ends though, where they just print them

834
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: out where they they look at the exact part, you know,

835
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 4: Michael Mayer cole kmet like it's like, oh, another you know,

836
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: big Notre Dame tight end. Shocking, But I think, you know,

837
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 4: like Deuce was saying, he's had some some bumps in

838
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: the road.

839
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: There, Speed writes in Fresno. He says, Fred you're bonkers.

840
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 3: I just can't believe you're so definitive that Drake will

841
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: be better next season. As far as the options whether

842
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: he'll be better, worse, or the same, I think worse

843
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: is most likely followed by same than best. With the

844
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: hardest schedule and coming off of decline and loss of

845
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: confidence injury at the end of the season. It's t

846
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: bow time. I'm exaggerating, but regression to the mean is

847
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: a thing. While I'm overall optimistic about Drake, I'm probably

848
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: more pessimistic than most as to whether his game will

849
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: be reliably winning in the big moments, given its relyants

850
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: on extremely fun but high difficulty, low probability shots downfield.

851
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't necessarily think the highest probability is

852
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 8: that he's going to regress. I just think he played

853
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 8: an exceptionally high level, so I'm not going to pencil

854
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 8: in then he's going to be.

855
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 7: Better than that.

856
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 8: That's like I think it's probably another semantic thing that

857
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 8: I'm guilty of this time, is I think you'll play

858
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 8: well next year.

859
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 7: I expect him to play well. I think he's a

860
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 7: franchise quarterback.

861
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 8: I think he's one of the I don't know whatever

862
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 8: you want to call it, top five, you know, maybe

863
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 8: top seven if you want to, you know, give some

864
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 8: other guys some leeway. But I just think he played

865
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 8: at such a high level last year it's going to

866
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 8: be hard to to exceed that. So I'm not expecting

867
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 8: him to.

868
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 5: I feel like this is a very semantical artist.

869
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 7: I'm guilty.

870
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: Drake May is elite. He is going to be elite.

871
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 5: What level of elite?

872
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: Is he the best quarterback in the league or is

873
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: he the seventh best quarterback in the league? Like, I

874
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: guess we'll find out next year once he starts playing,

875
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 4: But he's going to be.

876
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 5: A lead, like I don't I don't think so.

877
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 7: I don't expect him to have a bad yea.

878
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: So where I think obviously he needs to improve is

879
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: how does he handle the better defenses?

880
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, that's where and that's where we're

881
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: going to get the semantics argument of yeah, his statistically

882
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: having a worse year, but he's playing better defenses. You know,

883
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: they're playing he's you know, he might even be playing better,

884
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: but his stats are worse and their teams record is

885
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: worth you know, Like those are the strings you're going

886
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 2: to have to pull out, you know.

887
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: So we're going to judge it by how he's playing,

888
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 3: you know, based on the situation.

889
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 4: He's got to go have that kind of ability and

890
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: all of a sudden fall off a cliff. It just

891
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 4: doesn't really happen very often. That Like, he puts together

892
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: a season like he did last year, and now we're

893
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 4: just supposed to think that he could possibly regress back

894
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 4: to like North Carolina Drake where he's just like, yeah,

895
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: you know, very inconsistent and only flashing and things like.

896
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just have a tough time imagining

897
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: that the it's the ground is going to fall out

898
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 4: from underneath him.

899
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 7: No, what I mean, I don't envision that.

900
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I would say the coaching staff is hoping

901
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: that he takes a leap in the second year in

902
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: the offense. You know that now the complex system that's

903
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: so much on him that now he has a lot

904
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: of experience in those games. He has experienced in the playoffs.

905
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: But it's going to be great to see him going

906
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: to Seattle and see how he deals with all that again.

907
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, that's gonna be.

908
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: A really big challenge for him.

909
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean I think he rematch though.

910
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: I think he graduated last year.

911
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: He's got his bachelor's degree in the Josh McDaniels offense,

912
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: and now can he go and get a graduate degree

913
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: in it? Is what they're hoping is that he's you know,

914
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: we kind of got the baseline foundation laid last year.

915
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: I think a lot of these things that we're talking about,

916
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: it's all the same stuff. Like last year was only

917
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 4: supposed to be the first year. They just happened to

918
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: win fourteen games and go to the super Bowl. And

919
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: now I think that they're starting from a much higher

920
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 4: point where they're hoping that he's already kind of got

921
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: the basics of what we're trying to do down and

922
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: now we can kind of push him to get to

923
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 4: that next level.

924
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Anthony says, why are we convinced Dobbs is as

925
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: good as he'll be? He was in a position in

926
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 3: Green Bay that I feel he may not have been

927
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: given as much volume as we can provide here. I

928
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: think he's an ascending player, not yet at a ceiling.

929
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 3: That's not to say I think he'll be a top

930
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: wide receiver. But why are we so convinced he can't improve?

931
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: We're not.

932
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 8: I just said, it's exactly the opposite. If you listen

933
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 8: to the first fifteen minutes of the show.

934
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, no, I mean this.

935
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 2: I mean it seems like this offense gonna be tailored

936
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: to him. They're gonna move them around. I mean, they're

937
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: gonna find ways to get him the ball. Aside from

938
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: his skill set, though.

939
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 8: The only thing I would say is, I think he's

940
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 8: going to an offense that's very similar. It's not run

941
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 8: the same way, but the mentality is very similar to

942
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 8: what he was in. Josh doesn't believe in just one guy.

943
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 8: He doesn't like not that he doesn't believe, he doesn't

944
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 8: like it, he doesn't like to do it that way.

945
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 8: He and Dobbs has been in an offense that they

946
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 8: sort of spread it around. Do you think that that's

947
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 8: from I think that's what he's going to be in here.

948
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 3: Do you think that's from, you know, his time. Josh's

949
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 3: doesn't like, you know, just having one guy. His time

950
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: with Belichick, where Belichick would go into a game and

951
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: if a team had that one guy, whether it's on

952
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: offense or defense, he always came up with good plans

953
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 3: to take that guy out.

954
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just think you always want talent,

955
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: and you know it's he doesn't want a great right,

956
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: I think he does. It's just you know, he was

957
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: able to make it go.

958
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: He want balance.

959
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 8: It's like, yeah, you know, when they had Welker and Moss,

960
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 8: those guys clearly had it, but they didn't have anybody else,

961
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 8: you know, until Gronk came and then they sort of

962
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 8: you know, adapted. But I do think that there's probably

963
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 8: some truth to that. Fred is that Bill always felt

964
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 8: like if you only have one thing, you know, but

965
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 8: no one suggesting that they only have one thing they like,

966
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 8: like Diggs last year wasn't the only thing.

967
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 7: He just was the main target. I just.

968
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 8: In year five, like, are you going to see like

969
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 8: a you know, a totally different player.

970
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 7: I'm not going to expect that.

971
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 8: I'm going to, you know, maybe expect him to get

972
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 8: more opportunities here. But the other part of his numbers

973
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 8: in Green Bay, he always miss his games. He's a

974
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 8: guy that misses a game or two here or there.

975
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 11: All.

976
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 8: I think he's missed nine games in four years. So

977
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 8: if he continues to miss games, his numbers will continue

978
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 8: to be okay. If he plays all seventeen and he

979
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 8: clicks in the offense, I expect his numbers to rise

980
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 8: because I think he has the skill set that Evan

981
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 8: and Mike talked about right off the top, and I'm

982
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 8: sorry that they email and missed this, but you guys

983
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 8: went to great lengths to say how the versatility of

984
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 8: his route running, his strong hands, his good size, he's

985
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 8: on paper projects to be a really good fit in

986
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 8: this offense.

987
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

988
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 4: I think you just always want to have balance, and

989
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: we all, like we talk about balances a lot with

990
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: run pass balance, but like it's also just where are

991
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: you attacking on the field, And if you're attacking the

992
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 4: same area over and over again at the field, defenses

993
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: are too smart, they're too good. They're going to figure out,

994
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 4: you know, he can only he really wants to throw

995
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: the ball in the middle of the field, So we're

996
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: going to flood the middle of the field.

997
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 5: We're going to force the ball to go elsewhere.

998
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: The best offenses have balance, they have the ability to

999
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: throw it anywhere on you at any time. And I

1000
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: think that that's what Josh McDaniels tries to strive forwards.

1001
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily about volume per one guy, It's that

1002
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: we don't want to be a one trick pony. We

1003
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 4: don't want to be a team that can only throw

1004
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: over the middte.

1005
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 3: To keep the d on its heels. Yep, we need

1006
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: to dictate, not them. Rick and Riverside, Rhode Island. His

1007
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: email kinds of sparked a question for me that I'll

1008
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: get to, but he says, do the new additions have

1009
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: the traits off the field Rabel looks for when building

1010
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: team culture? The twenty five team was a family. Do

1011
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: any of the new players have anything about them that

1012
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: could disrupt the locker room? And so the question I

1013
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: would add to that is who are the existing players

1014
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: in the team they're going to carry that culture forward

1015
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: this year?

1016
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: Morgan, Moses, Moses, Plaine Bayer.

1017
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: It will probably be as a player, you know, but

1018
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: it's also up to Drake, I think, to step up

1019
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: and to be more demanding on offense, to you know,

1020
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: hold those guys to a standard.

1021
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know enough.

1022
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I only Pop's the only when I really

1023
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: kind of got into just some of his interuriwers just

1024
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: to see kind of what his personality is like. And

1025
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: he seems more quiet, Like I said, earlier, so I know,

1026
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: nothing red flag to me. It also seems like everybody

1027
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: loves Reggie Gilliam, Like the Buffalo guys are just like

1028
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: everybody talking about him completely.

1029
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 8: And I don't know anything bad off field about any

1030
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 8: of these eight guys that they signed. I would just

1031
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 8: say that I would caution against the the familylike atmosphere

1032
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 8: they had last year. That's twenty twenty five. Don't automatically

1033
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 8: assume that that carries over into twenty six because every

1034
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 8: team has has to create an identity and come together and.

1035
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 5: All that so winning like crazy.

1036
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's building on it, right, But I think that not.

1037
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 4: To dismiss the email or the question, but as long

1038
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: as Mike Rabel is here, I have no worries about

1039
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 4: the culture of this team. Now, maybe it's not going

1040
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: to feel or look exactly the same as the twenty

1041
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 4: five team, but the guys setting the culture is the

1042
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: head coach, and I like whether it's you know, Digs, Yeah,

1043
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: it was. It was a big part of it. He

1044
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: was a big part of it, for sure.

1045
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 7: But I don't know.

1046
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily worry about Diggs leaving and then that

1047
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 8: falling apart. I just think your first point is the

1048
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 8: one that about the Winningstely. Yeah, but Rabel had problems

1049
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 8: with culture when it wasn't going so well. And Rabel's

1050
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 8: the same guy like when it when it went bad

1051
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 8: in Tennessee, the culture went bad with it because it's

1052
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 8: hard to have great culture.

1053
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 7: When you're not winning.

1054
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: I think Rabel's also a better coach now than he was.

1055
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: That they were all making some weird, weird decisions upstairs

1056
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 4: when things were gone.

1057
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: I just that's why I said, I think, yes, we

1058
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: will see. That's what I think. We're here to give opinions.

1059
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 7: I mean, I thought he was a great coach in Tennessee.

1060
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: I did you don't think coaches get better they learn?

1061
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess I don't know.

1062
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 5: But don't you think some of the things that happened

1063
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 5: with me?

1064
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 8: I asked him and he said no, But I mean

1065
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 8: that's might be him being modest.

1066
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: Don't you think some of the things that happened to

1067
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: him in Tennessee though we were personal control?

1068
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were. They were, you know, trading A J.

1069
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 7: Browne.

1070
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 8: That's my favorite. It was head coach didn't know about it?

1071
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 8: And say didn't know about it?

1072
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: I just says, I just said that maybe he wasn't

1073
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 4: in favor of it, who knows, certainly didn't look like

1074
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: it maybe okay, but or like them him wanting to

1075
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: promote Ryan Cowden to the general manner position and the

1076
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 4: owner deciding to hire somebody from the outside that he

1077
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: had no relationship with.

1078
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 7: Like that, one I would say was tough.

1079
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 4: You know, like there's just a lot of things that

1080
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: I think contributed to it, that were of.

1081
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 7: Those things happened here.

1082
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: I don't like.

1083
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying is I think your first point

1084
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 8: is the only one that really matters.

1085
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, if if if you went here, because

1086
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: the we're able to is you know, that's some.

1087
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: Guys we've become, at.

1088
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 5: Least for former Tennessee Titans.

1089
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1090
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: Just you know, one more thing I just want to

1091
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: highlight because I came across this. Tydn wrote a whole

1092
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 2: story about Julian Hill. Really interesting background just from him

1093
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 2: that he lived in severe poverty and homelessness in North Carolina,

1094
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: justin just Tye Dunn wrote it for the go along

1095
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: Tyler du Sorry, he's a football writer. He's a football writer,

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Speaker 2: but uh.

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Speaker 3: Really interesting you were before you were.

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Speaker 2: Really really interesting story though you like that, you like

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Speaker 2: that you got me back. So he's got a passion

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Speaker 2: for for foster care and those kind of things. So

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Speaker 2: just you know, off the field, interesting story there. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Verble Coach of the Year toture. We'll go to break

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Speaker 3: with this femail, Perilla. Don't get me.

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Speaker 7: That's all good now because I didn't say that.

1106
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 8: I said Evans first point to me is the one

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Speaker 8: that's most important.

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00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: And you've heard, you know, and I agree.

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00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: With it's great.

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Speaker 5: It's great when everything, everybody is great.

1111
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 2: When you're winning everything you're winning, and it's hard to

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Speaker 2: keep it together. Is this is another point I wanted

1113
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: to bring up, guys, is uh, I get back to

1114
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: the Tom and Bill thing and you know gives Brady

1115
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: the credit, you know, I just I think it's gonna

1116
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: be really interesting what happens now with Lamar Jackson and

1117
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: Josh Allen as two quarterbacks that look not on the

1118
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: level of Tom Brady. But let's see how it looks

1119
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: with new head coaches. You know, you know, we can

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Speaker 2: say Tom Brady was great and it didn't matter, but

1121
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: are these guys going to be affected by a regime

1122
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: change now? This is you know, multiple MVP winners. Yeh,

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Speaker 2: how does it go with these guys? That's curious the

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Speaker 2: path of the Super Bowl. We'll just do this email,

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00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: then we'll go to break. Let this one marinate. I

1126
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Speaker 2: said there was a comment early this is Jack where

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Speaker 2: is he from? Doesn't say no, There was.

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Speaker 3: A comment made earlier in the show that you all

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Speaker 3: don't know if we are better team than we were

1130
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: last March. Well that wasn't exactly what we said, but anyway,

1131
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: that's insane. Drake is finally getting continuity at play caller

1132
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: for the first time in his career. The offensive line

1133
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: and specifically the run game should be much improved with

1134
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: a rearranging and edition of an all Pro caliber fullback.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. The aj Brown trade will

1136
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: post June first, and Dobbs is as efficient and younger

1137
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: than Diggs. The secondary is now top five with the

1138
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Speaker 3: addition to Bayern. Edge still needs work, but I trust

1139
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Speaker 3: in the development ability of these coaches. Absolutely. No one

1140
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: was thrilled at the Chase on signing last year, and

1141
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: now look how fans view him. Not saying we're going

1142
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: back to the Super Bowl, but geez to say the

1143
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: team isn't approved from this time last year is insane.

1144
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: Well, if everything works out exactly like the email are

1145
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 4: laid out, and we trade for A J.

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00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: Brown, then yes, I agree.

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00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 3: I wasn't saying that, So I'm gonna the largest piece

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00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: of that analysis was something that hasn't happened yet.

1149
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 7: AJ Brown.

1150
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Speaker 8: That's the number one by far blows anything else away

1151
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 8: that they've done so far.

1152
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Speaker 3: See, I think it's easy to say we're better than

1153
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: last March because now we know Drake had that seat March.

1154
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Speaker 7: No one's compared its last he is February.

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00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's why I think you can

1156
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: question what I said even more than if I said, oh,

1157
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: we're better than we were last March. We're obviously better.

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Speaker 8: If that email was comparing this March to last March,

1159
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Speaker 8: then that's a.

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Speaker 3: Different right, that's what he's why are not good? I

1161
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: thought it was all right if they.

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Speaker 5: Trade for AJ Brown, we all agree they're a better team.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're excited now to be joined by Mike

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Speaker 2: g Reese of course, man who needs no introduction.

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Speaker 15: Mike, great to see you, Evan, let's talk.

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Speaker 2: Well I got to start, Mike, because I feel like

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Speaker 2: we talked to you with the Super Bowl couple. I mean,

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00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: it feels like it was yesterday.

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Speaker 15: I love that talk.

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Speaker 2: And you had a line in that preview that stuck

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Speaker 2: with me. It hit me like a treight train when

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00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: line of Seattle and you said, these are a bunch

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Speaker 2: of veteran players. And that was so simplified it to me,

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Speaker 2: And that is kind of exactly how the game unfolded,

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Speaker 2: oh Man.

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Speaker 16: And credit to Nick Cassario is because when I was

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00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 16: previewing the game with him for a story on ESPN

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00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 16: dot com, he sort of, I said, break down the Seahawks,

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00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 16: and we know from twenty four years a Bill he

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Speaker 16: would come, Bill Belichick would come to the podium and

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00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 16: he'd give us the other team without any notes, right,

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00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 16: And Nick did that and he started with the Seahawks

1220
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 16: defensive front. And so I have to give him the

1221
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 16: credit because honestly, it's not me studying it like seventeen

1222
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 16: regular season games, three playoff games and coming up with

1223
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 16: this brilliant plan of what's gonna unfold.

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00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 15: It was more talking to the experience that I trust.

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00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: But you were condo it, and I think it's just

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00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: it simplified it, and unfortunately.

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Speaker 7: It's exactly how it played it.

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00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: And I think back to the Patriots defenses, you know

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00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: in three and o four, when they were a veteran group,

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00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: when it was like, you're going in this game with

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, you know, Teddy Bruski Willing. You just knew

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Speaker 2: that those guys were gonna come to play in the

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Speaker 2: biggest games.

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Speaker 16: And I want to share a story from the year

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00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 16: with Morgan Moses, which is what we're talking about. Morgan

1236
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 16: Moses is thirty four to thirty five years old, a

1237
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 16: veteran in the league, and he was talking to me

1238
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 16: about how much he likes Will Campbell and Jared Wilson

1239
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 16: and then sharing this story with me. He said, like

1240
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 16: their kids like and and he then described himself and

1241
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 16: said it wasn't until I was twenty four or twenty

1242
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 16: five that just physically I could catch up to what

1243
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 16: I was facing in the NFL.

1244
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 15: And we talked about Trent.

1245
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 16: Williams still doing it at thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty

1246
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 16: nine years old. Morgan wants to come back, by the way,

1247
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 16: Like that's part of the whole conversation we were having.

1248
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 15: But I remembered him telling me that.

1249
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 16: Thinking about the Super Bowl and like, wow, they are

1250
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 16: going to be relying on these kids that need another

1251
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 16: offseason they get stronger and build up there. Yeah, what

1252
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 16: they have, you know, to go up against these guys

1253
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 16: that have been in the league for three, four or

1254
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 16: five years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I saw you reported yesterday that no surgery expected for

1257
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 4: Will Campbell, and that's good news. But I thought that

1258
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: was something that stood out from Elliot Wolf yesterday, it

1259
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 4: was him saying I didn't see the same lower body

1260
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Speaker 4: strength in the playoffs from him and then from the

1261
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 4: regular season. What's just your sense though, just in terms

1262
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 4: of their approach this offseason, and I think a lot

1263
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 4: of us are asking the same questions of are you

1264
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 4: now in more of an expedited situation because you did

1265
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 4: make the Super Bowl? Or do you think they're still

1266
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 4: in that long term approach?

1267
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Speaker 16: So you highlighted to me, Evan the most interesting thing

1268
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Speaker 16: I heard yesterday, which was that view of Will Campbell,

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Speaker 16: like we thought he played well before the injury, then

1270
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Speaker 16: we didn't see the same ability to anchor, which I

1271
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 16: think people listening might ask the question, well, then why

1272
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 16: did you play him? Yea, you know, And then I

1273
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 16: think the answer to that and I'm going to deduce

1274
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 16: this they haven't said this. They still felt like Will

1275
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 16: at that level was better than the next option, which

1276
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 16: was Vederian Lowe. And I think I would have played this.

1277
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 16: I would have done it if you're asking me the

1278
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 16: same way. But that's a fair question, right In terms

1279
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 16: of the approach, I believe it comes down to the money.

1280
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 16: I always believe it comes down to the money. I

1281
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 16: think Christian Gonzales being eligible for an extension is everything.

1282
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 15: That's where it should start.

1283
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 16: I think Drake being eligible next year at this time

1284
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 16: has got to be in your long range view. So

1285
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 16: I don't expect them to come out and spend like

1286
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 16: a big, big deal unless it's just a perfect scenario.

1287
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 15: For example, the Raiders say, you.

1288
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 16: Know what this, Max Crosby, you can have them for

1289
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 16: minimal compensation and and then you're you can assume that contract,

1290
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 16: you know what I mean.

1291
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 15: So I don't know if I answered it.

1292
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you did, But I I just in terms

1293
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 4: of just how you feel about it too, Like, do

1294
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: you think that they should take that approach? Because I

1295
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: think that a lot of fans hear that and are

1296
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 4: going to be a little bit disappointed that they're not

1297
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 4: going to just now go for it right, you're one

1298
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: went away from the super Bowl last year. But I

1299
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 4: actually kind of see it and say, I actually think

1300
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 4: that that's probably the smart thing to do, because you

1301
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 4: really kind of have to treat it like you almost

1302
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 4: had like a nice season, like you know, like a

1303
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 4: nine win ten win season. But the way that it

1304
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: broke for them, it probably was the reason why they

1305
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 4: got as far as they did, Yes, and I think

1306
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: you have to be kind of realistic about that. At

1307
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 4: the same time, would you agree with.

1308
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 15: That one hundred person? It's being honest with.

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 16: Are you a super Bowl team right like they were

1311
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 16: this year based on AFC being down a little bit.

1312
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 16: Give them credit to they learn how to win games,

1313
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 16: Like I don't think that should be dismissed. I don't

1314
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 16: love when people say, oh, you know, fools gold for

1315
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 16: lack of a better term, like that's that's bs to me, Like,

1316
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 16: that's not fools gold.

1317
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 15: It's hard to win. It's hard to go nine to

1318
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 15: zero on the road, do you know?

1319
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1320
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 16: But at the same time, like I don't, it's gonna

1321
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 16: be a lot harder in twenty twenty six.

1322
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: That's that's what I was gonna say, Mike. It's just

1323
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: it seems there's a lot of hard decisions this year

1324
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: because it would be somewhat easy to run it back.

1325
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Chase On's a free agent, Austin Hooper, Jalen Hawkins,

1326
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: a few starters and guys that you could make an

1327
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: argument to bring all those guys back, that they fit well,

1328
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: that they played you know better as the season went on,

1329
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: but all the offensive linemen are coming back. So it's

1330
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: just it's there's no like, well, there's a hole here,

1331
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: and we like, you're gonna have to probably move some

1332
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: pieces around and you're not going to bring back the

1333
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 2: same team next year. It's gonna be a different team.

1334
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: I think everybody has to has to realize.

1335
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 16: That it'll it'll be a different team. I feel like

1336
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 16: to build off what we're talking about, another solid draft

1337
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 16: is mandatory, and I guess, to me, that's going for it.

1338
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 15: It's like having another solid draft.

1339
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 16: And I know that's not sexy, but if as we're

1340
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 16: sitting here, I want to use an example from twenty

1341
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 16: one to twenty two years ago, Like go find the

1342
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 16: first round pick that you made in two thousand and

1343
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 16: five at pick thirty two, Go.

1344
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 15: Find that player this year.

1345
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 16: Logan Mankins is who I'm talking about. I think everyone

1346
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 16: watching knows that you're at thirty one. That's going for it.

1347
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 15: To me, like, I know that's not traditional going for it,

1348
00:58:53,960 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 15: but I want a nasty, athletic, mean big player up front.

1349
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, helps Will Campbell, you add a little bit of

1350
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: size maybe next to him. I think it's something that

1351
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 2: we've talked about too easy way. Maybe that's a simple fix.

1352
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: And wh where does Jared Wilson end up? Who is it?

1353
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: Evans?

1354
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: I know on the spot, So pregnant from Oregon really

1355
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: does fit that bill. You know, he's a left guard

1356
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: at Oregon, pure guard prospect, not one of these tackles

1357
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 4: that's going to convert inside.

1358
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1359
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 5: He's a wider body.

1360
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: He's a heavy handed guy.

1361
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: Not quite as big as as big Mic, not not

1362
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 4: that sort of size, but similar kind of player. The

1363
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 4: other guy that stands out to me in that particular

1364
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 4: mold who is going to convert from tackle to guard

1365
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: is Jennings Dunker from Iowa, who is, like, to me,

1366
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: a mike Ra looks like a mullet. It's a that's

1367
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 4: probably a little high. Yeah, but he he's one of

1368
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 4: those guys that, you know, there's a really good track

1369
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 4: record of moving college tackles to guard. Logan Mankins was

1370
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: one of them, Joe Toney was one of those guys. Ye,

1371
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 4: and those guys have a lot of success in the league.

1372
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 4: And Dunkard just the way he looks, the way he play, demeanor,

1373
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 4: the style, Uh that the run blocking ability, all those

1374
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 4: things to me, do really scream Mike Rabel like that

1375
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 4: kind of guy.

1376
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 16: And I just want to use the Seahawks as an example,

1377
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 16: Like they're the super Bowl champion and we're talking about

1378
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 16: this idea of going for it, like last year they

1379
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 16: were Gray's Able in the first round, right, I mean,

1380
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 16: is that not going for it?

1381
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, do you know what I mean?

1382
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 15: Like so I just sort of for me, I like

1383
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 15: to reframe.

1384
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: Another guy that played tackle in college, by the way,

1385
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 4: craze able and moved inside.

1386
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 7: And now great moments in.

1387
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 8: History, only been on a team like Brandon Cooks. Yeah,

1388
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 8: changes teams every year. I'm just might not have that

1389
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 8: knowledge of a system. I was given Eric the props,

1390
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 8: that's right. I don't understand what his age has to

1391
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 8: do with anything.

1392
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: I think his age has to do with a lot

1393
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: of it's and you're talking trade. I think another team

1394
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: is taking into consideration the guy's age, right, Why because

1395
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: he's old?

1396
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 7: Because he doesn't know my system, that's what you said.

1397
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 8: This is the only thing that I disagree he said

1398
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 8: is that he's more valuable to the Patriots, Because that's right,

1399
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 8: and that's nothing to do with age.

1400
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 3: But at his age, he has less to contribute to

1401
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 3: another team than a Patriots.

1402
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 7: I agree.

1403
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 8: That's why I don't think powers because he's old.

1404
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: About two minutes later, who's even more valuable to him?

1405
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: Another team with the Patriots?

1406
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 7: The Patriots?

1407
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: Why? Because he is on the Patrick get it? You

1408
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: can't even answer, you know, forget it.

1409
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: It's it's over.

1410
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: It's okay, so ding ding ding, it's over. Let's move on.

1411
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 2: About five minutes later.

1412
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 7: Thank that's ridiculously, this is what happened. You can't have it.

1413
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 7: You can't have any because you can't.

1414
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1415
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 7: You're not allowed to disagree with Thank.

1416
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: You, You're not allowed.

1417
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 7: Don't disagree.

1418
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: Thanks for giving me credit for that.

1419
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 7: Don't disagree. I'm sorry. I'm did I hurt your feelings

1420
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 7: by disagreeing with you?

1421
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm shot. I don't think I sound like the one

1422
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 3: who's upset you No, oh no, you very much sound

1423
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: like the one who's upset.

1424
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 7: That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous.

1425
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: Well we just like that ended at something. I don't

1426
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 3: mean it's like I have to. It's like I have

1427
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: to put down a vampire exactly like and keeps coming

1428
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: back to get decided is hard.

1429
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 7: You've decided that it's silly.

1430
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: That's another great moment from all right backhand and Patriots

1431
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: Unfiltered A five to five past five hundred is the

1432
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address

1433
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 3: Evan has left to go.

1434
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: Look at why he's lurking over? I just saw a

1435
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: picture he's up there lurking over.

1436
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: He goes, from what's on high I'm I'm Evan. I'm Evan.

1437
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: That's you know, the guy that you heard about.

1438
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 2: I'm that guy he does do that, the guy behind

1439
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 2: the guy I will be breaking down your film, just

1440
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 2: so you know.

1441
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 7: Talking about yesterday.

1442
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 8: So they have a little bit of a different setup

1443
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 8: for this sort of meet and greet with the media

1444
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 8: with some of these wide receivers, rather than a formal

1445
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 8: press conference in a podium, and they just have them

1446
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 8: set up at tables. I think my tables, round table,

1447
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 8: you know, so the media is sort of free to

1448
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 8: walk around and talk to whichever one of the players

1449
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 8: that they want. So Evan and you know, we're all

1450
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 8: talking about it in the think tank yesterday, Fred, and

1451
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 8: you know, Evan's saying, well, you know, I actually kind

1452
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 8: of like it from a media perspective, which I agree

1453
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 8: with Evan because it's more personal and you can get like,

1454
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 8: you know, like I said, you can talk to whoever

1455
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 8: you want, and you should be able to get a

1456
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 8: question into whoever you want.

1457
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 7: On your timetable.

1458
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 8: And Evan's like, you know, so you can you make

1459
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 8: a personal connection with the guy you know, so you know,

1460
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 8: like they come back and you know, you know, for

1461
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 8: OTAs and whatnot and Matt Smith and Trusting goes and

1462
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 8: they have no idea who you are, Mike, and I like, yes.

1463
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they know, they know, But that.

1464
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 8: Was exactly what you're talking about, Like, you know, I'm

1465
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 8: the guy, remember me.

1466
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phones. We'll start with

1467
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Speaker 3: Danny and Tampa. What's up Danny, Hey.

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Speaker 17: Gentlemen, how you doing today. I just wanted to compliment.

1469
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 17: I wanted to a degree on all of your guys takes.

1470
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 17: I was gonna take a Paul approach and uh to

1471
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 17: kick some of the things I did, like the fullback starting.

1472
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 17: I also like the they finally got an inline blocking

1473
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 17: tight end. I still think they need to a key

1474
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 17: part and they need to draft another or draft to

1475
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 17: tight end. So uh when this coming years draft, so

1476
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 17: I'll wait for that. I give them overall se minus

1477
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 17: grade right now because it's you know, the off season

1478
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 17: isn't done yet. So and I still think they filled

1479
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 17: a lot of keyhole was like you guys mentioned, and

1480
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 17: I think they did better then you know, well, they

1481
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 17: made some good moves. They still need some depth. I

1482
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 17: would like them to see them draft some people in

1483
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 17: the safety. One of the one take I want to

1484
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 17: give you guys before I get off The Muni Times

1485
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 17: came on yesterday and you know Evan's girl on ESPN

1486
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 17: they were talking about did you guys you guys, I

1487
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 17: may have missed it when you guys, uh may have

1488
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 17: said it on the show. It came out late the

1489
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 17: Raiders and and the Ravens that nigged on their trade,

1490
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 17: mainly on the Ravens part. Yeah, the Ravens nig renigged

1491
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 17: on it, and uh, the whole sports world was kind

1492
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 17: of blown up to that.

1493
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

1494
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 17: She had mentioned the should the Patriots be back in

1495
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 17: on the trade, and I made so I wanted to

1496
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 17: make picture, you guys, this trade if I'm the Patriots

1497
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 17: and or I'm Mike Rabel, because we know Elliot ain't

1498
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 17: really doing anything. But if if if I'm Mike Rabel,

1499
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 17: I'm calling up I'm calling up the Raiders, and I'm

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01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 17: I'm I blowball. Though, because they cheftery chefty, I trust sefty.

1501
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 17: He reported that they uh the Ravens their team doctors

1502
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 17: and then they had one of the highly most regarded

1503
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 17: team surgeons in in pro football from the Dallas Cowboys

1504
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 17: and gave his best opinion on it. And that's what failed,

1505
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 17: from my understanding, what failed the trade because he gave

1506
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 17: his pinion on it and said that his knee was

1507
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 17: still an issue. So what I would do if I'm

1508
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 17: the Patriots, I'd blow ball at first. I would not

1509
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 17: give him a first pick. I'd give him a second

1510
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 17: round and maybe Carlton Davis to sweeten the deal and

1511
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 17: then see if that works. I think it might, But

1512
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 17: I don't know what you guys think.

1513
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 8: You're not getting a guy who they just traded for

1514
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 8: two first round picks for a second round pick and

1515
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 8: a thirty year old cornerback.

1516
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 17: I think they have to because.

1517
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 3: They can keep them.

1518
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 7: Why not just keep them well?

1519
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 17: Because I see that well, for one, they want the

1520
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 17: first the first round picks because.

1521
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 7: They're not getting on it.

1522
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 8: If you give him the first round pick, then we're talking.

1523
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:11,439
Speaker 8: But you don't want to give him a first round pick.

1524
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 17: See another option they could do is they could give

1525
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 17: him a second that could turn into a first, but

1526
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 17: I don't know how they.

1527
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 18: Could work well.

1528
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 7: But they want a first, even if you give.

1529
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,959
Speaker 3: Him a first and say, well, our first is thirty first,

1530
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: do you want aj Brown? Because now you lost that asset.

1531
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: Now you have less chance of getting a J. Brown.

1532
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I agree with your premise. I would

1533
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 8: kick the tires on Max Crosby and see if you

1534
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 8: can get because he's not going to get two first

1535
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 8: round picks now, no, you know, no one's, no one's

1536
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 8: going to do that, so the price is probably dropped.

1537
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 7: And I agree with your overall premise. I would look

1538
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 7: and I would just.

1539
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 3: Keep it like that.

1540
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 8: I would drop the phone. I would go to the Raiders.

1541
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 8: I would pick up the phone and I would see

1542
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 8: what it would take. I would absolutely get into it. Yeah,

1543
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 8: you're not getting him for a second.

1544
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 3: Do you pick up that whole situation?

1545
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 8: So I have very mixed feelings. All the scorn and

1546
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 8: ridicules that Baltimore is getting. I think they deserve first

1547
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 8: of all. I think they're kind of a slippery organization.

1548
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 8: They're kind of often in trouble. They're often envelope pushers,

1549
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 8: and can I put it that way?

1550
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: You know?

1551
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 8: But I agree with everybody that has all the things

1552
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 8: that they're saying about it. At the same time, if

1553
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 8: I were a Ravens fan, I'd applaud this.

1554
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: Oh.

1555
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 8: I would want my team to be willing to do

1556
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 8: something that's not popular, and I know it's not going

1557
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 8: to be perceived well, but it's going to make my

1558
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 8: team better. And they're better with Trey Hendrickson and not

1559
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 8: having forfeited two first round picks, then they would be

1560
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 8: with Max Cross.

1561
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 7: Do you think that no two first round?

1562
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 3: Do you think that the I will call in an

1563
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 3: uproar locally in the Baltimore area when they made this move,

1564
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 3: affected them backing out of it, because I is that?

1565
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 7: Is that right? They got a lot of pos starting.

1566
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 3: With Kenfora, who's one of the big Ravens.

1567
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 2: Forget him, he's completely out of his They didn't like it,

1568
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: and they didn't they thought they gave up too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1569
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 2: I mean you can make an argument that they gave

1570
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: up too much. Mike you know what, you and I

1571
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: talked about this a little bit. You give me your take.

1572
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: Now, I loved your take of them pulling the fast one.

1573
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: But you're from Eric to Costa yesterday saying, you know,

1574
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of like we found something. What do you want

1575
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 2: me to do? I have to protect you know, the

1576
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: owner and stuff.

1577
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 7: They actually wanted both, the actually wanted both.

1578
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I love, you know pulse thing of just

1579
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,679
Speaker 2: saying now Hendrickson's not going let's.

1580
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 3: Are they going to make a move the Oh they

1581
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 3: already did. Oh. I didn't even know that was announcement.

1582
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 8: So my feeling is, first of all, I don't think

1583
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 8: this had anything at all. This had nothing at all

1584
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 8: to do with Max Crosby's knee. I think that it

1585
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 8: got into the combination with Fred's talking about they got

1586
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 8: some pushback among their own about how much they gave up,

1587
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 8: so they had some remorse buyer's remorse. Then free agency

1588
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 8: comes in the top pass rusher on the market, who

1589
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 8: everybody thought was going to blow everybody away didn't. So

1590
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 8: now you're looking at him like, I can have this

1591
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 8: guy for roughly what I was going to have to

1592
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 8: pay Crosby. He's not Crosby as a player, but as

1593
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 8: a pass rusher, he's pretty close. So I can have

1594
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 8: this guy for no draft compensation or that guy for

1595
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 8: two first round picks. Right, got to what do we

1596
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 8: gotta do to get out of this? You know what

1597
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 8: I immediately thought of, Fred Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick would

1598
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 8: have done that, absolutely would have made that move.

1599
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, we can do that after this. We

1600
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: screwed this up.

1601
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 8: Now A lot of people would look and come to

1602
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 8: that same conclusion, but say it's too late. It takes

1603
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 8: a different kind of cat to say, I know it's

1604
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 8: too late, but the ink ain't dry, it's not official yet.

1605
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: I'll take the heat.

1606
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we're going to get some blowback.

1607
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 3: They probably did the right thing.

1608
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 8: I think if I were a Ravens fan, I'd be

1609
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 8: thrilled that my team was willing to do this.

1610
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 7: You can be the bad guy. Yeah, it's gonna blow

1611
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 7: I mean, let's face it, it's gonna blow over.

1612
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 3: You know.

1613
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 8: I was on Twitter Tuesday night when this is happening.

1614
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 8: I can't tell you how many people said two different things.

1615
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 8: Number One, on the Baltimore side, good luck Ravens trying

1616
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 8: to make any more and like five minutes later they

1617
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 8: signed Trey Hendrickson, So evidently Trey Hendrickson's agent didn't have

1618
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 8: any problem dealing with the Ravens. So that's number one

1619
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 8: that will go away. The second part is, Oh, the

1620
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 8: poor Raiders. Now they're stuck.

1621
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 7: Give me a napkin with me. I'll show you how

1622
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 7: they're not stocked.

1623
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 8: Like if they can sort of convince him to stay,

1624
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 8: they're fine. They're gonna end up benefiting from this because

1625
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 8: they're gonna keep the player and they made some moves.

1626
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 7: Maybe they'll be better.

1627
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: Are the Ravens on the Raiders schedule this year because

1628
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: that'll be a good thing.

1629
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 8: Now, that will be like the Raiders obviously, you know

1630
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 8: you're dead to me, that's totally understandable.

1631
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 3: No, but like Crosby revenge.

1632
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: But what do you think would get it done?

1633
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: Now?

1634
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: If the team stills like we want Max Crosby, I mean,

1635
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: is it compensation still to it's going to be down

1636
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: to it's.

1637
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 7: Not going to be two first, but it's not. But

1638
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 7: it's not going to just be nothing.

1639
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be one in something else.

1640
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: Like and then this year too, I mean, do you

1641
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: think teams are still going to move on this guy,

1642
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: or is this going to put him back in the rate.

1643
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: They're going to do their own evaluation.

1644
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 7: If you're the Raiders, don't you want me.

1645
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 3: He's just had surgery. Of course his knee isn't right

1646
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 3: right now, but it's meniscous.

1647
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 8: So I said, this has nothing to do with Max

1648
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 8: Crosby's knee. Yeah, they didn't find anything they didn't already know.

1649
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and remember at the end of the season his

1650
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 3: knee was so bad that he was pissed that they

1651
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 3: wouldn't play him in the last two games. He still

1652
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 3: wanted to play, so it couldn't have been that bad.

1653
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 8: It's a meniscus, yeah, but once you get the surgery,

1654
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 8: then you're on the shelf.

1655
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 7: But you want to just play.

1656
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: It's not a major surgery. It's not like a cl

1657
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 3: or achilles. It's a meniscus. Yeah. Most of the time

1658
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: when you get a miniscus, it's.

1659
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: Just rest right. That's what I had. But concern would

1660
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,679
Speaker 2: be if it gets to Edelman's point where it's completely

1661
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 2: worn away, there's no cards left, and it's you know,

1662
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 2: bone on bone. He's gonna need a knee replacement at

1663
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: some point. I just want how it all works out?

1664
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: Does he go back?

1665
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, replacement isn't the worst thing either, I hadn't.

1666
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: It works still good, yead.

1667
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 3: Best thing I have going for me. Just you got

1668
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 3: both the known or just one? Just one for now? No,

1669
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 3: I have to go under the knife. April seventeenth, after

1670
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 3: I'm fixing my achilles and taking out a bone spur.

1671
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 7: What's the matter with your achilles?

1672
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: It's torn up?

1673
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 7: You have a twenty achilles.

1674
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 3: It's not completely torn up, but it's I can't. I

1675
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:27,480
Speaker 3: can't accelerate.

1676
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, can you like get on your toes?

1677
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1678
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's not completely it's because I couldn't.

1679
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. And a half weeks later I went to the way,

1680
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna take a little bit from here and put

1681
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 3: it over here and then take off the bone spur.

1682
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: That's all right, A big deal, Freddy, is it? It's

1683
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 3: going to be a little bit of a rehab process. No,

1684
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 3: well it was like six months six months for me. No,

1685
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 3: but you had I had a rupture. Yeah.

1686
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna be good by the draft. I mean,

1687
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: you know, I think I'll be in a boot.

1688
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 8: I mean, you could inspire the youth of America and

1689
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 8: people everywhere like Jason Tato.

1690
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna do a documentary right five parts, because

1691
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: I feel like my soul is leaving me with this injury.

1692
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 7: It really is.

1693
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 8: Oh man, we're in a good I really just grew

1694
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 8: up in the wrong era like I.

1695
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 7: Today.

1696
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I could have really played that up.

1697
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 8: I could have put a documentary out there. Patriots dot

1698
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 8: Com the Road back to reporter.

1699
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah uh all right, let's get back to the phones.

1700
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 3: Eight five five past five hundred. We'll start with Zach

1701
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 3: in New Hampshire. What's up, Zach?

1702
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 19: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call. I wanted to know

1703
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 19: your thoughts on Anthony Hill Junior, the Texas linebacker. I

1704
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 19: thought he was a really good off ball linebacker but

1705
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 19: can also help in the pass rush.

1706
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,879
Speaker 3: Okay, Anthony Hill, Texas off ball linebacker.

1707
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. I mean, you know,

1708
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 2: he's another one of those mobile guys. But yeah, probably

1709
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: in the range about you know, early second, late first

1710
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of thing.

1711
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1712
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: I think it's like Evan said, I think you're looking

1713
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: at these off the ball linebackers as good depth pieces

1714
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: this year's He's one of the more high end ones.

1715
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: Just see pull up pool so.

1716
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 3: Zach while he's looking why him? Why did you bring

1717
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 3: up him in particular?

1718
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 19: I just think he has, you know, good things. I

1719
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 19: think putting him next to Splene is a rookie could

1720
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 19: really help him and help the Patriots. I think he

1721
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 19: could develop into a guy that could wear the green

1722
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 19: dots someday and just be a good commander for the defense.

1723
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1724
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just look at my notes. I mean, still a

1725
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: young guy in developmental but six three, two thirty seven,

1726
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,679
Speaker 2: so some good size. I mean that's something I'm thinking about.

1727
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 2: You know, Jake Gold is another one from Cincinnati. Bigger

1728
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: inside linebackers, but can run. Still figuring out exactly what

1729
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: they like at that position, but I would I would

1730
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: definitely keep an eye on all those off the ball linebackers.

1731
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: Like to Paul's point, like, you know, you got to

1732
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 2: have a plan whisper lane long term. I mean, I

1733
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: don't know if last year was a one off where

1734
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: you know, we kind of got banged up. I think

1735
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: he's generally been pretty durable. But you know, again, the

1736
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: guy who's about thirty one of those veterans you want

1737
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: to have a back.

1738
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 7: Very most basically taxing position.

1739
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,440
Speaker 2: Sure, that's why I would you know a lot of contact,

1740
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:16,839
Speaker 2: you know a lot of tackles.

1741
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,919
Speaker 7: I mean he had you can get to your mid thirties,

1742
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 7: you know in some other spots.

1743
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty tackles a year after you sat

1744
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 2: with you for a while.

1745
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 3: Hey, Zach, do you have a take on the Patriots

1746
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 3: free agency so far?

1747
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 19: I mean, I really like what they're doing. I think

1748
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,600
Speaker 19: a lot of people are sleeping on Romeo Dobbs. I

1749
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 19: think putting him with with Drake May is really going

1750
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 19: to benefit him. And then I also really like Barah Tucker.

1751
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 19: If he can stay healthy, I think that we'll help

1752
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 19: Will Campbell hugely. But I mean, yeah, a lot of

1753
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 19: good players are sign him.

1754
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 3: All right, thanks for the calls at Let's go to

1755
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 3: Ohio where Brad is on the line. What's up, Brad?

1756
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, how you doing today?

1757
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 3: Okay?

1758
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 14: All right? Good? Always good singing Fred? Hope everything goes

1759
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 14: well with it?

1760
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, I'm fine. They're even going to put me to sleep.

1761
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 14: Just remember before, not.

1762
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 10: Right?

1763
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 3: What's that? I'm sorry? We were laughing.

1764
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,719
Speaker 14: Toads above nose, above nose.

1765
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep it elevated. In other words, Okay, yeah, they

1766
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 3: want me to keep wade off us for a while.

1767
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 14: Remember Riot the acronym rights rest compressions.

1768
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: Okay, what about Patriots.

1769
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 14: I'm sorry, got off on the road thinking I'm thinking

1770
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 14: about a guard. First of all, I got just a

1771
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 14: couple of questions. Please guys help me with this. His

1772
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 14: name's Kaylin Rutledge. I think he reminds me of Logan Mankin,

1773
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 14: and I think he would fall in the area that

1774
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 14: we might be able to get him. He's an interior

1775
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 14: lineman who can play all three position and then and

1776
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 14: then as a defensive end. Now, don't beat me up,

1777
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 14: because you know, I only picked the Michigan players that

1778
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 14: I think could make a difference with our team. So

1779
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 14: that being said, I'm gonna say Derek Moore rusher on

1780
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 14: the defensive end, and then jay Sean Barham I think

1781
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 14: would be a great fit. He just a he's really

1782
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 14: just a really instinctive, violent, wild guy. And then Marlon

1783
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 14: kleinbed the tight end in late rounds. These players I

1784
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 14: think will be late round picks too. I don't think

1785
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 14: I think they'll be in a range. That's why I'm

1786
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 14: staying there. Marlon Klein's a good receiving tight end, not

1787
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 14: so much a blocker unless you got him blocking on

1788
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 14: the slot. You can do that. And he's a big guy.

1789
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 14: You think he could block, but not in line. And

1790
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 14: then think Max Bredeston, the guy that won that full

1791
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 14: back of the year. I know we've but this guy's

1792
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 14: a fledgehammer, okay and all, and you know, so just

1793
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 14: just sometimes what you guys think about those players.

1794
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 3: Well, I'm taking your word for it, because I have

1795
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 3: no idea. I'm taking your word for it. We're gonna

1796
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 3: have We're gonna start the draft show. Thanks, thanks, I

1797
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 3: just bow No, I've heard a couple show start.

1798
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,919
Speaker 2: We're the first episode we out a week from yesterday,

1799
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 2: so we're gonna shoot. We're to talk about quarterbacks and

1800
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: wide receivers today and yeah, first app next week. So

1801
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: which you know, the whole conversation we had at the

1802
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 2: top of the show. It's like that's when you start

1803
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 2: the draft stuff, because you know, two weeks ago you

1804
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 2: think you know what the needs are. But now I

1805
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: feel like with their free agency signings, it's really pointing,

1806
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 2: you know, to a set bunch of positions. I would

1807
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: just say, though I know you know More from Michigan

1808
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: is a popular one. I just find myself with the

1809
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 2: edge class, trying to decide what do they like, you know,

1810
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 2: and I'd say More and t. J. Parker are two

1811
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: guys that you see a lot to the Patriots. They're bigger,

1812
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 2: physical kind of guys, not the like get off the

1813
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 2: ball speed, made a kind of well trying to balance

1814
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 2: what that need is going to be.

1815
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 3: Well, according to Evan, they're less concerned with that guy

1816
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 3: that has the size to set the edge than they

1817
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 3: are with just stringing the play out, depending on their

1818
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 3: line packers and safeties to fill in. So maybe because

1819
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 3: of that, as opposed to you know, five years ago,

1820
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: they're they're more open to getting that pure pass rusher.

1821
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: That's that's what I wonder, I mean. And it could

1822
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: even be a little bit of variety between the two

1823
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: where you know, Landry's now really that guy, but I

1824
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 2: think they like him playing on the left side, the

1825
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: offensive right a little bit, you know, usually where they're

1826
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 2: going to run a little more, a little bit of

1827
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 2: a you know, stouter guy perhaps, whereas Chase On. It

1828
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: seemed like this was another point I wanted to make

1829
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 2: about Chase On. I just think was such a great

1830
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 2: fit for him, Like it was like just get off

1831
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: the ball and go get the go get the ball.

1832
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: You know.

1833
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: So I wonder how much of his production. Maybe they

1834
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, we let guys roam and play free

1835
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 2: and they're going to make plays. Let's get you know,

1836
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: somebody else. I don't know what the reasoning is, but

1837
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 2: I wonder.

1838
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 3: I always go back to, you know, the Belichick days

1839
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: when they had jar miss Green and when everyone was

1840
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 3: out there. He had really good production, but it was

1841
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: only out there in certain situations because really all he

1842
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: could do was rush.

1843
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: The pass it right. Well, that was I mean, I

1844
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: think he went from kind of being that rotational guy

1845
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: comes in on passing down so to then they trade

1846
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 2: Seymour and O nine and now all of a sudden

1847
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: you're asking him to play base, defensive end and right

1848
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 2: you see, all of a sudden, Ray Rice is, you know,

1849
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 2: going eighty yards.

1850
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 3: To the house. Randy's in Providence. Hey, Randy, guys.

1851
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 18: Okay, I think the pre agency moves has kind of

1852
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 18: set up the Patriots fairly well that they have like

1853
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 18: serviceable at least NFL starters at every position and they

1854
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 18: can kind of pursue best player available. I'm curious what

1855
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,959
Speaker 18: you guys think about a the trade option for Grenard

1856
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 18: at Minnesota or Josh Sweat. It looks like he's asking

1857
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 18: for a trade today out of Arizona. Pair him up

1858
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 18: with Milton Williams and went a Super Bowl together on

1859
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 18: the same defense.

1860
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 9: Maybe.

1861
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 18: But also, we've got eleven draft picks. Do you think

1862
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 18: we have eleven roster spots or do you think that

1863
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 18: maybe they're looking to move up, if not in the

1864
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 18: first round, maybe in the second or third and target

1865
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 18: specific players as opposed to throwing a whole bunch of

1866
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 18: players at this roster.

1867
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, because that is

1868
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: a lot of draft picks. Yeah, thanks, Randy.

1869
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 2: Think it'll be a balancing and I think we're all

1870
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: hoping that they're not going to make four.

1871
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:21,920
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1872
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: Yes, they don't all make it.

1873
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,839
Speaker 1: That's going to be for a long Saturday.

1874
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 7: I'm just looking at the pluses and minuses.

1875
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 8: So off of their fifty three man roster, they've lost

1876
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 8: twelve guys from last year and they've signed eight.

1877
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 7: So that's not the way to do it.

1878
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 8: I'm just sort of giving a marking apples to apples comparison. No,

1879
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,560
Speaker 8: I would not expect eleven guy. I don't expect everybody's

1880
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 8: draft class to.

1881
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 7: All make the team.

1882
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 8: As matter of fact, I think that's kind of a

1883
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 8: sign of a bad team unless you had an exceptionally

1884
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 8: good draft. Yeah, they didn't all make it last year.

1885
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 8: I think we have twelve last year. Yeah, we had

1886
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 8: a lot of draft picks last year, they didn't all

1887
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 8: make the roster. Now, I know where they stay in

1888
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 8: the in the system, you know, like Brayden Swinson's and

1889
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 8: stuff like that.

1890
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 7: They end up on the practice squad.

1891
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 3: They come back and forth, they go.

1892
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, Kobe Minor, Yeah, eleven picks plus Ponder Chishlm and

1893
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 8: depri that all.

1894
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: You know, we're.

1895
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 8: Do they have the roster spots? No, Like I would

1896
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 8: say probably not. But I also kind of pushed back

1897
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 8: on the whole. Well, yes, I mean every team has

1898
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 8: a NFL player in the starting lineup right now on paper. Yeah, Like,

1899
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 8: do you feel good about them all?

1900
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: No?

1901
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 7: I don't.

1902
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 8: I think you can get better in a number of spots.

1903
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 8: We'll see if they're able to do that.

1904
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: Plus it's like Gilliam could take Westover spot Westover's back, But.

1905
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's that kind of thing where and.

1906
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 2: I'd really look at the offensive line depth who you know,

1907
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: really beyond I'd say Ben Brown, you feel okay if

1908
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 2: he has to get in there, but I mean he's

1909
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: your sixth guy. And after that, you know Lorenz Matts

1910
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: who got here late, Cayden Wallace, Mkay Butler, Andrew Ruh,

1911
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant who maybe, and Sebastian Gudierra's that's their depth.

1912
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 2: So I think they need on one, you maybe ending

1913
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: the last year of his deal, they need some depth.

1914
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 2: We talk about right tackle.

1915
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 8: Right, I feel good, you know, and I understand his point,

1916
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 8: Like they have a start, like I mean, I don't know,

1917
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 8: like is Christian Ellis, Like is that a starting caliber

1918
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 8: player to you? I mean he's he started last year

1919
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 8: and I actually think he played pretty well in the

1920
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 8: second half of the season, especially, I.

1921
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 7: Thought he was pretty act.

1922
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 3: He ascended.

1923
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 8: But if he had Anthony Hill junior, right, I don't

1924
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 8: know if he's an NFL player on everybody else's team though,

1925
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 8: I don't think they have an NFL top wide out. Yeah,

1926
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 8: you know, they have a bunch of guys who are

1927
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 8: competent players, which is fine, Like, you know, that's what

1928
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 8: they had last year, yea, and they went to the

1929
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 8: Super Bowl, So I think you can always can always

1930
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 8: get better.

1931
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just say generally, I feel like that

1932
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: should be your goal in free agency, is that you

1933
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 2: know you don't have the glaring, glaring, glaring need. But

1934
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 2: I would still say, to your point, Paul, the edge position,

1935
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 2: I was.

1936
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 8: Gonna say, I don't think there's a lot of teams

1937
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 8: that would say we're good. We got Harold Landry and

1938
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 8: Draymond Jones on the edge. I don't think there's a

1939
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 8: lot of NFL teams that would say, yeah, with solid

1940
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 8: that's that's the spot for me.

1941
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 2: But I mean, I've also just I think they've checked,

1942
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I do this before. It's not like

1943
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: you wait to see what they do and then say, yeah,

1944
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 2: it was great. Like have a list of things, the

1945
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 2: list of positions I want address. They've hit most of those.

1946
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 2: They haven't really hit the edge all as to the

1947
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 2: level that I would hope them to. But I don't

1948
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 2: expect them to fill every single box. And it is

1949
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 2: a strong edge closs.

1950
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 3: So we'll see. David Barmain a mass I should say.

1951
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: Paul has mentioned the idea of signing Romeo Dobbs several

1952
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 3: times before, and nobody seem interested in talking about him

1953
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 3: as an option.

1954
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 8: Things have changed now, I believe evanstot so everybody's on

1955
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 8: board now.

1956
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 3: I believe Evan basically said that Dobbs was essentially the

1957
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 3: same player as Booty and would not add anything for us.

1958
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 3: Now that we signed him, he's suddenly a younger version

1959
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 3: of Diggs and it was a great signing. I'm optimistic

1960
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: about the signing, but I think we need to be

1961
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 3: realistic about what Dobbs is.

1962
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: It's funny as I have such a memory of Paul

1963
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: being like, what do you guys think just Romeo Dobbs,

1964
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't really know, you know,

1965
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 2: he wasn't.

1966
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: He wasn't one of the ones that I don't, you know.

1967
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 8: So I'm going to defend Evan a little bit too,

1968
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 8: because he did kind of do a mea culpa today

1969
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 8: and to the defending the email or he may not

1970
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 8: have heard that, he may have just written in. But

1971
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 8: but Evan said he kind of thought about Dobbs the

1972
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 8: way he was thinking about him coming out of the draft,

1973
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 8: and he thought he was kind of a downfield, contested

1974
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 8: catch guy, you know, not necessarily now that he's a Patriot,

1975
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 8: unsaid now that he's on the pageots, but he did

1976
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 8: say like he's watched, you know, in sort of doing

1977
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 8: some of his film and watching some of them. He's

1978
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 8: more versatile than he thought. So I'm gonna give Evan

1979
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 8: a little bit of credit. Some of us that don't

1980
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 8: watch the film and just know the game, oh know

1981
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 8: the game by watching it yea once, not twenty seven times,

1982
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 8: sort of felt like he was the versatile kind of

1983
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 8: receiver that could fit well into the.

1984
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: Lesson for Evan is after the guy's been in the

1985
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: league for five years, maybe you should get updated and

1986
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 3: not depend on I tried to defend him rocket shots.

1987
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna give it, you gotta take it.

1988
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 8: But in all seriousness, I think the emailer, because it

1989
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 8: was duly noted how how dismissive the panel.

1990
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 7: Was when I brought up Romeo Dobbs about two weeks ago,

1991
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 7: I think.

1992
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 2: I was indifferent rather than dismissive. But I don't know

1993
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: if that's better or worse.

1994
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 8: That's your problem, because you're not indifferent about anything. We

1995
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 8: could have an OTA practice on maintent and you're just like,

1996
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 8: I'm just really excited to get out there and see

1997
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 8: when was the last time he was indifferent on anything.

1998
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 7: Well, sometimes you're in different spoke volumes.

1999
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 2: No, I was mostly just going off the Guardian cappy

2000
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 2: war and as I don't look past that.

2001
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 7: I don't want that's a concern the Guardian.

2002
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 2: But make sure just a handful of fun facts coming

2003
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: out of the fun out of the thing a little

2004
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: bit that time for Alvete aka Elijah Vera, Tucker said

2005
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: he's feeling good and is almost one hundred percent expected

2006
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent by Otash. Kevin Byard came

2007
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,599
Speaker 2: to a deal with Craig Woodson for the number thirty one,

2008
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: which he's worn.

2009
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 3: I saw that he was going to be four now think.

2010
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 16: I don't know.

2011
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 2: They did not reveal that, but I thought that was

2012
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 2: in a and in true full back fashion. Reggie Gilliam

2013
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 2: he couldn't get forty one away from Brandon Schooler, so

2014
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 2: he's going with forty four, which I think, any harp.

2015
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh, that's great, that is.

2016
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: Four number.

2017
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 18: I like it.

2018
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 2: If we could just get him to wear a caller,

2019
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 2: we'll we'll be we'll be right back in.

2020
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 3: Let's go.

2021
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: But Reggie Gillium also said he met Drake May this morning.

2022
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 2: Who is here today in the facility? So back from

2023
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: it's too bad.

2024
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 7: Sorry, Well so they're back stocking.

2025
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 2: Him and he didn't get him.

2026
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: He didn't get them. But yeah, just a few things

2027
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: coming out of there.

2028
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 3: I thought that were interesting, Ryan and Quinsy, right sin.

2029
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: A lot of Patriots Nation have been wondering why the

2030
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 3: Patriots didn't do more early in free agency. With the

2031
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 3: addition of Buyer to hope that viewpoint starts to change.

2032
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 3: Looking at the four main additions we've made, I'm excited

2033
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 3: the team has clearly improved in four glaring needs from

2034
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 3: our playoff, runt, guard, edge, wide receiver, and safety. There's

2035
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 3: still more work to do, but as a Patriots fan,

2036
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 3: I'm happy knowing those four areas have been addressed.

2037
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 7: I got I got one of them.

2038
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 8: I think you improved at safety, Yeah, I don't think

2039
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 8: you improved at edge. I think you're treading water at

2040
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 8: edge and wide receiver.

2041
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 3: Not at guard. You didn't improve it. Maybe Okay, if

2042
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 3: he plays, if he's healthy, what's Wilson going to do.

2043
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 3: Don't forget you lost a starter, I know, but Wilson's

2044
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 3: not gonna play guard. He's gonna go to center.

2045
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 7: He's not as good as Brad.

2046
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 3: No, but he's at the guard position. Did you improve Yes, okay,

2047
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 3: that's what he said. Yes, okay, so you agree with it.

2048
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,440
Speaker 3: If he plays right right, he generally doesn't.

2049
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 8: Okay, half the time, one last, half the time.

2050
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: They'll be better. Okay, but he'll make up for this program.

2051
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,560
Speaker 3: Get him over here, get him under our trainers.

2052
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 7: As Mike.

2053
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 3: Amy t you have come to the right rip. Talk

2054
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 3: to Morgan Moses. You've come to the right place. Welcome aboard,

2055
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 3: But Morgan, welcome aboard. My name is Fred. Don't talk

2056
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 3: about Morgan. Moses plays. He's a durable guy.

2057
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 8: He plays every year. He misses a game or two.

2058
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 8: I know, old seasons or two.

2059
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 3: I know those are major injuries.

2060
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 8: I know that's my that's my fear. It's not like

2061
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 8: he's missing it with a hamstring pull. The fact that

2062
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 8: to Tricip.

2063
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 3: And Achilles, well, the fact that lightning struck him three times,

2064
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 3: it's not going to happen a fourth time. It's not

2065
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 3: gonna happen, is Romeo Dobbs. This is the take he

2066
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 3: wants to leave for debate, is Romeo Dobbs. Right now

2067
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 3: underline in bold more less or equal to Stefan Diggs

2068
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 3: right now. To me, he gives us exactly what Diggs

2069
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 3: did last year, and he's only twenty five.

2070
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 8: He's twenty six, and uh, he'll play the season twenty six.

2071
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 8: My ages are all what he'll be when the season starts.

2072
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 8: Right now, as he pounded home. Right now, he's less.

2073
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 8: Could he be better? Yes, I think there's there's room

2074
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 8: for him in this offense. Maybe he fits just as

2075
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 8: well as Digs. But right now, I'm sorry, I can't

2076
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 8: say he's better. When your career high is seven hundred

2077
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 8: yards and you're replacing a guy who has multiple fifteen

2078
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 8: hundred yards one thousand yard seasons and as high as

2079
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,799
Speaker 8: fifteen hundred yards, you're not better than him.

2080
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think he's got all the physicals, but

2081
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 2: he said right now, right now, not.

2082
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 3: The body of right now.

2083
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 8: One guy had one thousand yards and the other guy

2084
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 8: had seven hundred. So no, he's not better.

2085
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean that's, you know, the simple way to look

2086
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 2: at it. But you know, I just I think that

2087
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: there's a great amount of und simple how does he

2088
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: fit in? You know, does he understand the offense? Is

2089
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 2: he able to you know, do the things that Digs did.

2090
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 2: Diggs had experience with Brian Dable, he was familiar with

2091
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 2: this offense and so he had maybe a little bit

2092
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 2: of a leg up. I was just so impressed with

2093
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs last summer, his route running to know coming

2094
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 2: off in ACL.

2095
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this is what it looks like even

2096
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: off in ACL.

2097
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: We'll see if Dobbs has the same you could have hoped.

2098
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 8: I think there's a chance that you can get out

2099
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 8: of Dobbs this year what you got out of Digs

2100
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 8: last year.

2101
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,640
Speaker 7: But it's a projection.

2102
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 8: He's never done that, so I can't say he's better

2103
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 8: or equal to Diggs today.

2104
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 3: Ford and Savannah. I know it's not apples to apples comparison,

2105
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 3: but do you think the removal of Diggs, who was

2106
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 3: one of the loudest leaders on the offense, is similar

2107
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 3: to when the Celtics removed Marcus Smart, allowing the Jas

2108
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 3: to step into more of a leadership role. It really

2109
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 3: worked for the Celtics. I know this is something Rabel

2110
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 3: was pushing for Drake last year, and this move could

2111
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 3: open up that opportunity even more.

2112
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 8: I don't hate the comparison, but I think that what

2113
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 8: the comparison is missing. You know, I love to talk

2114
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 8: about the Celtics is It wasn't about the benefit of

2115
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 8: leaving Smart out of the leadership equation. Wasn't because I

2116
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 8: wanted Brown and Tatum to emerge as leaders because they

2117
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 8: got rid of Marcus smartt the player, like Stefan Diggs,

2118
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 8: the player was very valuable for the team last year.

2119
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 8: They can replace the leadership. I have no doubt about that.

2120
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 8: Back to you guys.

2121
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,839
Speaker 7: Before before we took the break talking about Rabel's culture.

2122
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 7: I am a believer in that.

2123
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 8: So some you know, and it might be Drake May,

2124
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 8: but what the the benefit for the Celtics of moving

2125
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 8: on from Marcus Smart was because you no longer had

2126
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 8: this guy that wasn't as nearly as good as he

2127
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 8: thought he was leading the way quote unquote, I'm the

2128
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 8: guy I got to take the three point and instead

2129
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 8: it was Brown and Tatum taking big shots. That's why

2130
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 8: you got better when Smart left, not just because of

2131
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 8: the locker room staff.

2132
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean, and I don't you know, sometimes that stuff

2133
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 2: is overrated, and you know, we see how these players

2134
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: present themselves to the media, how are they presenting themselves

2135
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. We get glimpses from time to time,

2136
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 2: but I think the personality difference is pretty extreme between

2137
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 2: you know, Diggs, who has that kind of alpha dog

2138
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: mentality and and Dobbs, who seems kind of soft spoken

2139
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 2: and you know, not really some of them replaced.

2140
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 8: Diggs, and I think Diggs was excellent in the lockerroom

2141
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 8: the speech. Somebody, somebody will replace that. I don't know

2142
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 8: if someone's going to replace eighty five in one thousand.

2143
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 8: I'm hopeful that Dobb's gonna do that.

2144
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 2: And even like, beyond the numbers, it's just the got

2145
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 2: to have it moments. Hunter Henry, he's the other guy

2146
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 2: in this is he gonna be able to stay at

2147
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: that level? I mean at this age you and based

2148
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 2: on how his season ended.

2149
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: You'd probably say he's probably going. You know, he's trying to.

2150
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 7: Get the best out of him that you're going to see.

2151
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 2: That's why I get to the draft. I'm like, I

2152
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 2: want I want a tight end who can run and

2153
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 2: catch the ball. And I don't give a crap if

2154
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,959
Speaker 2: he can block or not, but I want somebody athletic

2155
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 2: that you know, has a size progile And you start

2156
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 2: to maybe because that's what you need this draft. I

2157
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 2: feel this year you're coming out saying, all right, we

2158
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 2: know Drake and Dobbs, that's a relationship we're hoping to

2159
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:57,680
Speaker 2: really foster and that that can be an engine for

2160
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 2: the offense. But I think you're gonna need another guy,

2161
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 2: whether it's a J. Brown, whether it's a rookie tight end,

2162
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 2: whether it's a rookie receiver, that you can start to

2163
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 2: build that long term chemistry with Drake.

2164
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 3: All Right, Eldridge is on the phone. What's up, Eldred?

2165
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 12: Hey, fellas, say, y'all doing today? Okay, Okay, Paul, I'm

2166
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 12: sort of with you, man. I don't know if they

2167
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 12: got better with the with the new additions, but about

2168
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 12: the same.

2169
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 14: And Fred will ask you a question because you.

2170
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 12: Brought it up a little bit earlier about Drake May.

2171
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 12: We got a poll in North Carolina. Well, with the

2172
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 12: season that's coming up this year, is he gonna regress

2173
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 12: or step forward? And were small as like fifty five

2174
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 12: forty five? He gonna step back because of the defense.

2175
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:47,560
Speaker 3: So thinks he's gonna get worse because of his opponents.

2176
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,560
Speaker 12: Opponents that were playing. Okay, Industry, you've got Seattle, you

2177
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 12: got Kansas City, you got deeper, you got Detroit.

2178
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 3: So again I'm like, of course it can happen. Anything

2179
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 3: can happen, but don't judge it by whether they want

2180
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 3: or lost the game. Judge it by how he performed

2181
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 3: against those defenses. And like, so we know how he

2182
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 3: performed against Seattle. Let's see how this year, if he's

2183
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 3: any better, and just how he handles it. To me,

2184
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 3: that's improvement if he handles it better. Yeah, yeah, I

2185
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 3: just yeah, so we'll see. I mean, listen, anything, but

2186
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 3: I I just think he's going to be better. But

2187
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 3: and I think it's a mental thing. We've already seen

2188
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 3: the physical tools, Like it's hard to improve on that

2189
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 3: what we saw. I think he's going to be better.

2190
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 8: So I going way back to the start of the

2191
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 8: late I'm going to say the way that Fred just

2192
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 8: explained that, I agree with you. Now I'm gonna I'll

2193
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 8: change my stance if you're just going to say, like

2194
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 8: he'll be better because he's going to know more and

2195
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 8: all that, Like, yeah, I agree with the way Fred

2196
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:00,639
Speaker 8: put that. I'm just talking about the overall per Yeah.

2197
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 8: I can't imagine he's going to be better than that.

2198
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 8: I think that is a career type year.

2199
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 3: He's going to be a better all around quarterback.

2200
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 8: This but he might be better with worse, you know, right, Well,

2201
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 8: That's that's what I'm wondering, is because we know what

2202
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 8: his weaknesses were.

2203
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 2: We know when he wasn't on last year. And I

2204
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 2: don't kind of forget about the playoffs. I feel the payoffs,

2205
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: but I don't even when he was in the season,

2206
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 2: like when he was hitting, you know, especially his rookie year,

2207
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: but when he had some slow moments. That's what I'm wondering.

2208
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 2: What does it look like if Drake regresses a little

2209
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 2: bit next year, like you know, is it you'll know?

2210
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: And I think the mental thing you.

2211
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,920
Speaker 2: Saw fred is is great because that's where I would

2212
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 2: expect him to improve, is to you know, not have

2213
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 2: to always take the shot, like to take the to

2214
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 2: take the profit as they say, And you know, does

2215
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,600
Speaker 2: he have that mental toughness.

2216
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 8: Over the course of the bail out of the pocket

2217
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 8: and look to you know, like yeah, that kind of stuff.

2218
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, Yeah, you always hate to say anything

2219
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 3: about Brady because there's no comparison, but he had bad

2220
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 3: games he had or stretches of games where he wasn't

2221
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 3: playing well. Did, but his was the opposite. It wasn't

2222
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 3: the mental thing. It was something else was going on

2223
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 3: that pissed him off and he was getting frustrated or whatever.

2224
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 3: You know. So, but every quarterback, every good quarterback, doesn't

2225
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 3: always have good games. But it's it's it's your pattern.

2226
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 3: It's it's how you how you you know, yeah, string

2227
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 3: it together and become consistent out there.

2228
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 2: I'm so interested to just, you know, Paul to his point,

2229
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get back out there, just to

2230
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 2: see Drake again, because you know, unfortunately the end of

2231
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 2: the year on a down note, and even though they won,

2232
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: you know, three playoff games and they didn't play great

2233
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, but that left kind of a

2234
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 2: bad taste in your mouth. And you're not sitting in

2235
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: this offseason thinking about all the MVP throws he had.

2236
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 2: You're thinking about all the misses and you know, the

2237
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 2: lack of production in the playoffs, and you know, so

2238
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 2: to get back out there and to you know, get

2239
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 2: a sense of him being renewed and trying to get

2240
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 2: back to that level that and the confidence that he

2241
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: had in the mid season, you know, it's just like

2242
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 2: I want to see it. I want to see us

2243
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 2: put that playoff run, which sounds weird because you went

2244
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,000
Speaker 2: to this super Bowl, but you got to put those

2245
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 2: performances behind you and and you know, kind of hit

2246
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 2: the reset button and like him.

2247
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 8: Thinking about better because I don't think there was a

2248
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 8: lot of bad throws in the playoffs. It was just

2249
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 8: like it seemed like he was confused more often in

2250
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:13,800
Speaker 8: the playoffs than we saw during the year.

2251
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: Comes blitz off the edge and I didn't see that coming.

2252
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 3: Patty's inn Aga, Hey, Patty.

2253
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 20: Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just wanted to see if

2254
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 20: you guys read or or heard the quote that Kevin

2255
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 20: Byrd gave to Diana Russini yesterday after he signed or

2256
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 20: after he agreed to sign with the Patriots.

2257
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 3: Is that the one where he came here for vrabel?

2258
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 8: No?

2259
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 20: He She asked him what what he thought about joining

2260
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 20: the Patriots, and he said, yeah, we're getting the band

2261
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 20: back together. And I kind of extrapolated from that that

2262
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 20: maybe they are going to trade for a J.

2263
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 3: Brown.

2264
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 20: But that's my question. Did you guys get any sense

2265
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 20: of that? And I'll take it off there.

2266
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Well she isn't She also the one that reported

2267
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 3: it's on the back burner. The A J.

2268
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,639
Speaker 7: Brown trade that was Chad Grouse. Oh, that's fact same.

2269
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 8: I think that's the same outlet though, right doesn't Diuniver

2270
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:08,560
Speaker 8: do the athletic.

2271
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not I've lost track.

2272
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 8: That's that's a good pick up, you know, Like yeah,

2273
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 8: I kind of looked at it as like there's seventeen

2274
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 8: other titles on the roster already.

2275
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 3: But I'm not here to tell you that you're wrong.

2276
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 3: Maybe A J.

2277
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 7: Brown was what he was talking about.

2278
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe Rabel has a little bit of Bill

2279
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,839
Speaker 3: Belichick in him and that he's going to do anything

2280
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 3: he can to piss off the Titans ownership. You know,

2281
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 3: I see I I took the guys that I had.

2282
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 3: Now look what I'm doing with them.

2283
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of have to say they're just real

2284
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 2: quick aside, Like I kind of like what the Titans

2285
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 2: are doing this year, But every time the Bills have

2286
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 2: made a move, I'm like, what like I and not

2287
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 2: that I'm like rooting for the Bills or you know.

2288
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 3: What the Bills do that you were confused by, Bradley not.

2289
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 2: I just I don't get like it seems like they're

2290
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 2: desperate to me, like Bradley Chubb.

2291
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 12: More.

2292
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 8: Oh, I like the Dj Moore tree. You know they

2293
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 8: needed a while receiver. They did need one, but I

2294
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:05,480
Speaker 8: think that's their Romeo Dobbs. They needed a competent NFL player.

2295
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 3: And it feels desperate to me, Like it feels like that.

2296
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 8: But if that's what it was they needed, like, it's

2297
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 8: not desperate like they re signed.

2298
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 7: That's boring for him.

2299
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 3: I think they traded a lot to Dj Moore, I

2300
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 3: mean a pick swap.

2301
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: More than the Patriots gave up for Dobbs.

2302
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 3: Is Youngers was in the trade.

2303
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, like, I know what which he gave

2304
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 8: him twenty million a year.

2305
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:30,640
Speaker 2: He's mercurial.

2306
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 7: I mean, we could just get into it. I like it.

2307
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 8: I don't.

2308
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 2: I'm just I like I like the thinking.

2309
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:38,679
Speaker 3: I'm just waiting for you to say something that makes sense.

2310
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,759
Speaker 2: I don't like their moves. I don't like their moves.

2311
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 4: I think they've been all their talent they have, and

2312
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 4: I think if it made money.

2313
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what the numbers were, because I would

2314
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 2: say that's a bad thing.

2315
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 3: That time.

2316
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 7: I didn't even know he had I didn't even know

2317
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:53,599
Speaker 7: if they signed.

2318
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 3: There's evidence, and I have mine tuned to everything that's

2319
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 3: bad about the bills, So that's supposed to come in

2320
01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 3: my timeline like.

2321
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,759
Speaker 8: I would have Joey. They botha come back. Then signed

2322
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 8: Bradley Chubb. If they gave him any money. Yeah, Now

2323
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 8: if if they didn't have to pay him any money,

2324
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,760
Speaker 8: then that's that's a veteran move.

2325
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:08,679
Speaker 7: To me, that's fine.

2326
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 1: I just to me, it feels like they are to me.

2327
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 8: I think given his relationship with Joe Brady, it makes.

2328
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 2: A lot of sense to me for Buffalo three forty

2329
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,719
Speaker 2: three point five up to fifty two point five twenty

2330
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,600
Speaker 2: nine three years for how much forty three up to

2331
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 2: fifty two forty three point five up to forty.

2332
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 8: Three three year, So fourteen million a year, that's a lot.

2333
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:29,880
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

2334
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 7: I don't like that. I can draft well, I think

2335
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 7: that's a bad move. I'm with Mike.

2336
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 2: They drafted poorly and now they're just they have to

2337
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 2: DJ Moore.

2338
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 1: He's available, let's you know, and.

2339
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 7: Yes, you can talk to be a stiff, you're not.

2340
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 7: He pouted last year for whatever reason, pouted a lot.

2341
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,479
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean he was traded, but with Joe

2342
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 8: Brady he was very productive. So now he's back, and

2343
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 8: a lot of it was. He was happy girl till

2344
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 8: let they they lost everybody and they sold off all

2345
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:59,640
Speaker 8: their pieces. They traded McCaffrey, they traded Brian Burns, they

2346
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 8: traded Dj Moore.

2347
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 7: They say they traded all their pieces.

2348
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't like what the listen.

2349
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,719
Speaker 3: I agree with your overall premise. They're desperate, but.

2350
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 2: They have desperation at all morrhagy and they're like twenty

2351
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 2: nine year old husbands that like.

2352
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 3: They got a new stadium. They got a new stadium

2353
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 3: opening up.

2354
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,960
Speaker 7: But Kevin Byern at thirty three is a great signing.

2355
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Yes, but he's one of eight. It's one of eight.

2356
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 8: I agree, he's a great signing. Like I totally agree,

2357
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 8: there's no desperation there. He's way better than Jalen Hawkins,

2358
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:29,679
Speaker 8: just like DJ Moore is way better than Khalil Shakier.

2359
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 8: They needed a competent NFL receiver like I do him,

2360
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 8: get it. I don't like it, Okay, all right? I

2361
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 8: mean people act like they went five and twelve and

2362
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 8: not twelve and five. They sucked and went twelve and five.

2363
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 2: Oh it's this, Paul, It's that they're doing what happened

2364
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: to the Patriots. They haven't drafted well and now they're

2365
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:49,559
Speaker 2: trying to re lot and make their team.

2366
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 3: They see the.

2367
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 2: Stars and when you place it, when you get lose

2368
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, you think they're.

2369
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 1: Buying high, buying low on Dj Moore right now? Like

2370
01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 1: are they gonna get that?

2371
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 7: It's like, what's that?

2372
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 2: He's gonna be the guy that puts them over the edge.

2373
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 2: They can't even throw the ball down the field.

2374
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 8: What's what's over the edge? I don't really understand this

2375
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 8: to get to the super Bowl? They better were a

2376
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 8: super receiver than they were last year.

2377
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 2: They're a little bit better maybe for the moment, but

2378
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 2: we might get into.

2379
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:16,599
Speaker 7: The season and be like they're not.

2380
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 8: They're not building for twenty twenty nine. They're building for

2381
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 8: twenty twenty six. They're better than they were last year

2382
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:27,960
Speaker 8: and are at that position. Yeah, but they have Bosa

2383
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 8: is gone.

2384
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 7: Now at Oliver can't play.

2385
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,840
Speaker 8: I mean I thought that was to last so you

2386
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 8: could steal all his cap space like I.

2387
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 3: Let Gilliam go. So do you like?

2388
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 11: You?

2389
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 3: Like?

2390
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 2: You like what they've done? You think Buffalo is on

2391
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,320
Speaker 2: the upswing right now? Is that what you're because I'm

2392
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 2: just saying I don't like what they've done. I feel

2393
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 2: like they're circling toilet right now.

2394
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:48,519
Speaker 8: I gotta be completely honest here. I'll be completely honest.

2395
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 8: I have no idea what Buffalo's doing right now. I

2396
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 8: don't follow them, I don't cover them. All I can

2397
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 8: tell you is the DJ Moortrade gives them a receiver they.

2398
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 7: Didn't have last year.

2399
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 8: I'll agree with you, there's no one even closes on

2400
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 8: that roster as good as he is today. It's like

2401
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 8: Diggs was for the Patriots last year. They didn't have

2402
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 8: anybody even approaching Digs. That's why that was a great signing. No,

2403
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 8: I like, if it's desperate, Okay, I don't know they Yeah,

2404
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,719
Speaker 8: they didn't have any receivers and they have Josh Allen.

2405
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 8: That's the difference between the Patriots in twenty twenty in

2406
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 8: the Bills right like they didn't have Tom Brady anymore

2407
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 8: in nineteen when they drafted poorly and sucked. They won

2408
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:29,640
Speaker 8: how many games twelve? You lose Brady, you suck. I

2409
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 8: lose Josh Allen he gets hurt in Week two, they'll suck.

2410
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 2: I will take the Patriots off season over the Bills

2411
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 2: off season. I will take the Patriots last draft draft.

2412
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:39,520
Speaker 3: That's apples, gpefruits.

2413
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 2: But when you have to go out and your whole

2414
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,600
Speaker 2: thing is like, is Romeo Dobbs like the savior of

2415
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 2: this team right now?

2416
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 1: No, we're talking about I wonder.

2417
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 8: If they want I just pushed back like what they did.

2418
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 8: Wonder how much they traded from the fifth round to

2419
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 8: the second round to get DJ Moore.

2420
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 3: He's not the safe. I wonder how much cash they

2421
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 3: have available for spending.

2422
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 7: That's why I say it's apples a grape fruit whole stadium.

2423
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,759
Speaker 3: I wonder, like what their position is to spend cash.

2424
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not I don't know. I'm not threatened

2425
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 2: at all what the Bills are doing.

2426
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 3: I think Josh Allen, that's why I said we should

2427
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 3: have the Ages because they're the they're the there's been

2428
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 3: the division champs up until last year.

2429
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 8: This is the team because they had because that's your

2430
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 8: primary rival. That's what I think their own space in

2431
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:26,439
Speaker 8: your head. No, for no reason whatsoever, they don't was

2432
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 8: the one who's.

2433
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 2: Been talking about the wind.

2434
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 3: I think he's and I finally, finally, I think he's reveling.

2435
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 2: Finally, come on, And I'm not even because I do

2436
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 2: respect Josh Allen, but I have to say, but matters.

2437
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the Patriots. They just went to

2438
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 2: the super Bowl with Drake May You have been to

2439
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 2: the super Bowl since the nineties. What you wouldn't give

2440
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 2: to get to the super Bowl and just get blown out?

2441
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 2: Like I think the whole way that this is the only.

2442
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,639
Speaker 8: Time that I can ever remember. You sounded like Sully.

2443
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 8: You saw like Johnny Sullivan in selfie, like I have.

2444
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 8: They sucked, they would killed to bous like.

2445
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 7: They don't wan to be better. They just so that's

2446
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 7: all they want to.

2447
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 3: But I feel like I feel like, like I think

2448
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 3: this is awesome. I like it.

2449
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 8: This is the side of Mike. I've never seen it. Like,

2450
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I wish they didn't save it till.

2451
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 3: The end of the show. This is awesome. I'm starting

2452
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 3: my GoFundMe to get the billboard. It's gonna be the

2453
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the bare naked Patriots ass with the

2454
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 3: words how's the view? How's the view?

2455
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,639
Speaker 8: You get a bunch of like veteran guys that they're

2456
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 8: they're gonna move on from and yeah, like they're they're

2457
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:32,799
Speaker 8: not They're not as good as they've been. I totally agree,

2458
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 8: they're not as good as they've been. Like Taron Johnson

2459
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,880
Speaker 8: and Matt Mulonal, those guys, they're not part of the

2460
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 8: they're not part of the team anymore.

2461
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 3: Old when all the teams used to have newspapers, we

2462
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 3: had Patriots Football Weekly, the Bills had one. It was

2463
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 3: called Shout. It's called and now if they had it

2464
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 3: would be out because they're out, we're in.

2465
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 8: I don't think that they're there. I said it the

2466
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 8: whole season last year. I just don't think they're all

2467
01:47:59,360 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 8: that talented.

2468
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they're not. I mean, do you feel like

2469
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 2: the Bills organization was kind of like what the hell?

2470
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, decision. I just don't see.

2471
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 8: But that's my different thing. Like I don't see anything

2472
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,879
Speaker 8: they've done that's been bad. They're definitely not as talented.

2473
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 3: But have they done as much as they should have done?

2474
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 7: Maybe they did as much as they could have done

2475
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:22,200
Speaker 7: for the reason.

2476
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,600
Speaker 2: That that's a good one.

2477
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 8: That's like they don't have the cap space that the

2478
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 8: Raiders have, Like they couldn't afford to take Max Crosby

2479
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:34,679
Speaker 8: back like I mean, they could, but they wouldn't because

2480
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 8: of the stadium in the cash you don't want to

2481
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 8: you know, no, Like I'm I think your point about

2482
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 8: the stadium is valid, but they're not as good as

2483
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 8: they have been. I just don't think that DJ Moore

2484
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 8: is like a sign of desperation, like you have no

2485
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:51,559
Speaker 8: players and you need to you need to find some

2486
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 8: players desperate.

2487
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 7: Well, okay, if I.

2488
01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 8: Guess that that's the definition of desperation. Players is desperation. Okay.

2489
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 2: You know, also to poblic we talk about injuries. I

2490
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 2: mean badly Chubb, he's play. Chubb's a bad missed the

2491
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:09,120
Speaker 2: whole season in twenty twenty four place twenty.

2492
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 7: Two million a year. That's a bad sign. You know,

2493
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 7: it's just bad, don't.

2494
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 8: I don't have any great I don't have any gray

2495
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 8: area that if they signed him for fourteen million a year.

2496
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 3: But they like that, that's a bad old rush pass rushers.

2497
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I think that you do him on like

2498
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,880
Speaker 8: a one year deal, like like Joey Bosa last year

2499
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 8: he did. He wasn't great for them, But I can

2500
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 8: understand that three for for forty three whatever, that's that's

2501
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:31,719
Speaker 8: a bad deal.

2502
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 2: Why can't I think of their desperate rather edge that

2503
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 2: they just drafted that hasn't really worked out too. I've

2504
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 2: been blanking.

2505
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 3: Greg Russo Russ He's okay.

2506
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 2: He's okay, but he's They're they're in desperate need of

2507
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 2: a good draft and you know, has some young talent

2508
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 2: come in and pop and you know, to have that

2509
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 2: player that maybe they thought Kincaid was going to be

2510
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 2: when they took him in the first round. It's like,

2511
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,559
Speaker 2: all right, this is going to be our weapon tight end.

2512
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:53,839
Speaker 2: We can move around for allen.

2513
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 3: Free agent or draft guys. You don't want to go

2514
01:49:57,439 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 3: to Buffalo Patriots new facility. Do you see this facility?

2515
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 3: This is where you want to who cares once a week?

2516
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:07,640
Speaker 3: You know.

2517
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:09,599
Speaker 2: I noticed they have like this kind of gradient thing

2518
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 2: going on with their with their seats, so it's kind

2519
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 2: of like a red and blue aut It just looks

2520
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,600
Speaker 2: kind of cool, like visually how they painted.

2521
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:17,280
Speaker 3: Because you'll see those seats a lot because nobody will

2522
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 3: be in them. March in Rhode Island. What's up Mark? Mark? Well,

2523
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 3: Hi Mark, Yes, Yes, it's your turn to talk.

2524
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 14: Awesome.

2525
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 21: How are you guys?

2526
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Good? Aggressive? Just kidding with you?

2527
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 21: Yeah, this is my first time calling. I've been a

2528
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 21: listener since last year. You guys do an awesome job

2529
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 21: than you start off with that, all right. Second of all,

2530
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:43,800
Speaker 21: I got a point I have thought of that I

2531
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 21: have not heard mentioned anywhere that I think is really important,

2532
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 21: and I feel like it's really slept on. All right,

2533
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:52,760
Speaker 21: So everybody wants to help Drake may right, they think

2534
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,080
Speaker 21: of the line wide receiver number one wide receiver. All right,

2535
01:50:56,120 --> 01:50:58,759
Speaker 21: that's all valid. You know what they're not talking about.

2536
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,719
Speaker 21: Getting blocking for the running backs and getting the running

2537
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 21: back room going and picking up Reggie Gilliam is huge.

2538
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:11,639
Speaker 21: And also the guy from Miami there, that's that's major.

2539
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 21: Like we weren't consistent with running the ball when we

2540
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 21: could run the ball good. I mean, Trevion is ripping

2541
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 21: runs off down the field and Stevenson was bowling. But

2542
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 21: that's got to be more consistent. You get a dangerous

2543
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:27,800
Speaker 21: run attack with wheremondre Stevenson and Trevion Henderson going, and

2544
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 21: then those linebackers cheat up. Then Drake will start cooking

2545
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,679
Speaker 21: on those deep shots. Sure like that is just not

2546
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 21: talked about at all, and it bothers me, honestly, because

2547
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 21: I love seeing Trey Beon and m Andre and those

2548
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 21: guys cooking.

2549
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 3: That's where AVT comes in in a better offensive line.

2550
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 3: I mean, if you can have that balance, if you

2551
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,719
Speaker 3: can keep the defenses honest where they have to defend

2552
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 3: the whole field, then the offense has the upper hand. Yeah,

2553
01:51:55,439 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 3: and that's that's that's good point, Mark, thank you.

2554
01:51:58,439 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 2: Two. To Mar's point, I mean I mentioned I just

2555
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 2: they weren't a good team in short yardage last year.

2556
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Goal line, you know, and the hope is that those

2557
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 2: guys can help them get those that kind of short

2558
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 2: yard is But you know, I agree with the point.

2559
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I said last season. They're sitting

2560
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 2: there being like, man, it'd be nice to have a

2561
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 2: real full back. You know, those are little details that.

2562
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 3: You couldn't really round out until probably see two Tom

2563
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 3: and New Jersey about the Bills or the new Patriots argument.

2564
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 3: The Bill's DJ More trade is like the Patriots days

2565
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 3: of getting SiNW and Cooks.

2566
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's better than Sinew.

2567
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 8: But that was first of all, the Brandon Cooks deal

2568
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 8: was an excellent deal for the page two thousand yards

2569
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 8: he had.

2570
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 7: It was an excellent trade for the Patriots. And if

2571
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 7: DJ Moore.

2572
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 8: Forget it, people can't be rational and objective, so I'm

2573
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 8: not going to do it. DJ Moore was basically Romerio

2574
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 8: Dobbs last year. He's like two years older. He makes

2575
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 8: like four million dollars more like, I don't know. If

2576
01:52:57,520 --> 01:52:59,639
Speaker 8: you want to just convince yourself that they stink, then

2577
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,360
Speaker 8: they so there's no accomplishment beating.

2578
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 3: Them, then right, you need to convince me.

2579
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 8: Right, So when when the Patriots beat the Bills, I

2580
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 8: don't want to hear you tell me what a great

2581
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 8: win that well they get up for us, you know,

2582
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 8: I don't want to hear you tell me that that

2583
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 8: was a great win. Some of all, some of us

2584
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 8: on this show on the week five Sunday Night Game

2585
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:22,639
Speaker 8: picked the Patriots to beat the Bills in Buffalo, And

2586
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 8: by us, I mean me I was the one that

2587
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 8: did that.

2588
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 2: There you go, Well, can you think that they're just

2589
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 2: trending downward and you don't think they stink yet?

2590
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:33,560
Speaker 1: But they're not.

2591
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 7: They don't stink. They are eleven twelve win team.

2592
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 2: As long as Josh is going to have to lose

2593
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 2: a lim for them to get that's what it's going

2594
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 2: to take.

2595
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 7: Great, as long as maybe the referee he calls the play.

2596
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 8: As long as you have one of the top five

2597
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 8: back out of the playoffs two years in a row

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01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 8: by the officials.

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Speaker 3: Elfham, Wisconsin. You know, normally I would worry about the

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01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 3: injury for a v T. However, if there is one

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01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 3: organization that I could be convince that has a training

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01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 3: program that's actively bad for players, that be the Jets.

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01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:06,879
Speaker 3: So that's probably why he's.

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01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:11,360
Speaker 2: I tried to look, he only played a couple of

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01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 2: years that UH at USC and I think the twenty

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01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 2: twenty season was COVID, so it's short, and I was

2607
01:54:15,800 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 2: trying to see, like where the injuries go back to college.

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01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 2: Didn't seem like it, But I don't know.

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01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 3: All right, Q's in Atlanta. What's up? Q?

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01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,760
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, I got some smoke for a caller, and

2611
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 10: also all the Twitter GMS and just pretty much all

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01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,280
Speaker 10: those games in general. I know we're excited. I know

2613
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 10: it's the off season, but guys, please just let the

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01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 10: people that do their jobs do their jobs. I forgot

2615
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 10: who called in earlier. Instead, well, Mike Brabels should call

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01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 10: the raiven because we know Elliot Wolf doesn't do anything

2617
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 10: like he's sitting in the building, sitting in the meeting

2618
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 10: is just shut up and enjoy the off season.

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01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:48,960
Speaker 12: Thank you.

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01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 3: Okay, that's wow.

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01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:52,200
Speaker 1: That's not fun.

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01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 3: Wow, little little collar smoke there.

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01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 1: As he said, you like yelling about each other about DJ.

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01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 8: Right, But I actually liked the call of like, I

2625
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 8: think they should be on the phone with Max from

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01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 8: Max Crosby. I think they should be like, I don't

2627
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 8: think that's absolutely I don't think that was a bad call.

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01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 3: You should be on the phone, see what's up?

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01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 7: But I mean something.

2630
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 3: Don't think every rock to see what's Don't you think.

2631
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 8: Something dramatically changed Tuesday night? I don't see the raven

2632
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 8: the Raiders getting two first round picks from Max Crosby. Now,

2633
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 8: I think the price has had to have dropped.

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01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 3: They're desperate.

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01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 8: Now, I don't think they're desperate, not like Buffalo, but

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01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 8: I think that it's unrealistic for them to expect two first.

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01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 3: Round picks for him. Now, oh absolutely, maybe you were.

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01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:43,320
Speaker 8: Into it, you know, like Dallas supposedly was willing to

2639
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 8: give a one and a two. You know, the callers

2640
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 8: suggested a two.

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01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.

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01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 8: I kind of I would be skeptical that it's only

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01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,800
Speaker 8: a two. But you don't know if you don't call

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01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 8: I liked that call that we got about why did

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01:55:58,040 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 8: they Why did the Raiders want to trade?

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01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 2: Max Crosby. I mean that's a simple want.

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01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 3: He said I want to trade, and so he still

2648
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 3: want out. I would have seen you.

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01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:10,080
Speaker 7: So that's the that's the question you have to try

2650
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 7: to figure out.

2651
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 8: Is is he going to be a problem or is

2652
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 8: he going to look at it and say, Okay, I

2653
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 8: understand you did trade me. You did do what I

2654
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 8: wanted to do when this was sort of extenuating circumstances.

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01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 8: I'll be I'll be a good soldier, I'll stay, I'll

2656
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 8: play and then maybe we can figure out something next

2657
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,520
Speaker 8: year or no, I don't care, tough.

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01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 2: Break trade me right now.

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01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2660
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 8: And if that, if that ladder happens, I think the

2661
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 8: guy that called with the second round pick like you

2662
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 8: might be able to get him for far less than

2663
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 8: the two firsts.

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01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 3: Robert says, that's the first time I seen Deuce go

2665
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 3: back and forth. I didn't know he had it in him.

2666
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 7: And it was one of my favorite moments.

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01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,240
Speaker 8: And I'll let you a little peak, little peak behind

2668
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 8: the curtain here. Mike went out at the break to

2669
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 8: get a quick sandwich and I had said to Fred

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01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:00,080
Speaker 8: that there was something about free agency or whatever that

2671
01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 8: you had said that I disagree with that.

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01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:02,040
Speaker 2: Go.

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01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 8: I don't really like to argue with Mike because he's

2674
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 8: not as fun to argue with as Evan, because Evan

2675
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 8: is just so white about everything all the time.

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01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:11,160
Speaker 2: He's a great guy to argue because yeah, no, I'll

2677
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 2: just be like, no, you're right.

2678
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 3: And then Fred was like, no, no, you should, you should.

2679
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 2: Oh j what do you don't agree with me?

2680
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 7: Paul, Well, this is how you should do free agency. Okay,

2681
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:28,480
Speaker 7: Like last year they blew it out of the water

2682
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:30,120
Speaker 7: and then they went to the Super Bowl.

2683
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:32,280
Speaker 2: I think if you're generally in a good place, I mean,

2684
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 2: of course, if you have a huge need and there's

2685
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 2: a player available at that position, I think you.

2686
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 3: Should go for it.

2687
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:39,320
Speaker 2: But I would say I'd love to just generally speak

2688
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:41,120
Speaker 2: get out of free agency and not feel like we

2689
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 2: have a huge hole, Like I know there's going to

2690
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 2: be a whole perhaps, but they had generally feel like

2691
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to draft an edge to start. I mean,

2692
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:50,120
Speaker 2: it kind of feels right now to me like you

2693
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 2: kind of don't need to draft the edge to start,

2694
01:57:51,880 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 2: But that's just.

2695
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's why I didn't really want to argue

2696
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 8: about it, because I know we come out it from

2697
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 8: different places, like I don't really necessart, like I can't

2698
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,880
Speaker 8: do the Patriots fan thing and just say like Reggie

2699
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 8: Gilliam Championship, like so yeah, but you have a full

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01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:09,600
Speaker 8: back now, so you can do X, Y and Z.

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01:58:10,040 --> 01:58:12,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know Ned, North Carolina. Who

2702
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 3: is That's what I thought Ned in North Carolina. I'm

2703
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 3: behind the time listening to Tuesday's episode. Just heard Evan

2704
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:25,000
Speaker 3: say they were a team in the super Bowl, not

2705
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 3: a super Bowl team. That is Andy's hat size plus one. Bravo. Evan, Well,

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01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 3: that's that was that was and is a is a

2707
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 3: word for that when you turn things around like that.

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01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:40,600
Speaker 3: There's actually a word that describes that wor wordplay. I

2709
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 3: forget what it is though. Anyway, that's gonna be it

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01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 3: for this edition of Patriots. And that's it for the week.

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01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 3: But the news will keep coming during free agency and

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01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,440
Speaker 3: we're gonna pretty soon turn our eyes to the Draft.

2713
01:58:54,440 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 3: You've got the draft shows starting up next week. Next

2714
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 3: week is going to be a big week for Patriots content.

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01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 3: So A J. Brown take my word for it, but

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01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 3: you see you next Tuesday.

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01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:09,560
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01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:11,240
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01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:13,760
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01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,240
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01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:18,520
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2722
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:20,240
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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,