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Speaker 1: Pearson and is always I'm joined by my good friend

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Speaker 1: So mego, we're doing a show today all about account

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where we're discussing the

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Speaker 1: tales of accounting and accounts. So, ango, what's your last

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Speaker 1: fact of the day. Well, I found this amazing story

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Speaker 1: But for some reason, he's this mild mannered guy who

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Speaker 1: And in fact, he's like so low level that his

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Speaker 1: why seventy millions and no idea. But he uses something

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Speaker 1: He's extra little fact there. Although I probably would have

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Speaker 1: simple story that's from accounting history, and it's a guy

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Speaker 1: You know, the Mesopotamians kept records of taxes on sheep,

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Speaker 1: think instead of choosing a winner this week, let's just

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