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Speaker 2: We had a lot of comments on YouTube met about

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Speaker 2: your showering habits.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you more about it, but it's not

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Speaker 3: very flattering. Was I gonna say it's something insightful? Say

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Speaker 3: I was out there getting the water and or something

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Speaker 3: I was going to bring up and now I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: Now there you have it.

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Speaker 2: Well it's time for the football focus. Why don't we

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Speaker 2: do that instead? We didn't talk a ton about the

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Speaker 2: Deontay Johnson trade yesterday. We mentioned it in passing and

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Speaker 2: I think it's bad.

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Speaker 3: For his sock.

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Speaker 2: I think it's bad for I think it's bad for

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Speaker 2: everybody's stock in that ball to except for Lamar and

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Speaker 2: Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because they don't matter.

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Speaker 2: They don't matter.

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Speaker 3: But was starting to come.

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Speaker 2: Back, yeah, starting, and now you get another target in there,

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Speaker 2: another mouth to feed. I think there's a flower stuff go.

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Speaker 2: He goes from getting ten targets a game to seven

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think it definitely hurts. It kills's stock, kills

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Speaker 3: Deonta's stock. If Bateman had any stock, it's gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was a OK player.

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Speaker 2: You can roll them out there, especially in maybe a

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, because I don't think they're going to like

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden No, they're not going to start

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Speaker 2: throwing the ball forty times a game. No, that's not

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Speaker 3: Ricard's not going to be on the on the sideline

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Speaker 3: assume it'll be Johnson and Flowers in twelve. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: And what that that hurts him as in their blocking game.

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Speaker 2: that's what they looked at, and hey, we got we're

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Speaker 2: gonna live in twelve. We got two tight ends out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just gave nothing up for Johnson, but

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Speaker 3: it makes all the sense in the world from their perspective.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Carolina is even picking up the majority of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's how they're looking at this, like we're

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Speaker 2: So basically they just swaped spots to Yeah, but it.

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Speaker 2: They weren't gonna you.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that'll happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So no, he's not coming back. They're to play

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Speaker 2: think I don't like playing quarterbacks coming off of concussion.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's a good rule to live by.

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Speaker 2: little slower, right right, Uh Morgan Moses questionable for Thursday

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Speaker 3: It's time. Yeah, I mean I thought that there's four teams.

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Speaker 2: Moseley ruled out for that game on Thursday as well.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna lose a game.

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Speaker 2: As says Alan Wizard, Wow, Ashton Davis Laky fotu. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they are just all kinds of banged up Tony Adams

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to like tease Steeler fans by mentioning

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Speaker 3: have to trade an asset, you know, like because they

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Speaker 3: don't have any money. They all these old guys they

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Speaker 2: No, no, because they were in it. But again, they

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Speaker 3: It, right. They put all the money on black and

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Speaker 3: it came up.

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Speaker 2: Bread just because you go for it, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna put all our assets in the winning this year.

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Speaker 2: They did it last year too, and you saw that

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Speaker 2: they've gone for it. Yeah, and they pushed it all

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Speaker 3: Right right, right, and they're clearly not even you get

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Speaker 3: in if you win the division or I mean, I

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Speaker 3: and if Halloween six right right?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Lugerious sneed with a quad injury, not practicing on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: There's nothing good happening there.

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Speaker 2: They're just there there. They have the worst record in

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Speaker 2: AFC right now. Yeah, and they spent there are another team.

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Speaker 3: They pushed a lot of ships in. Yeah, they had

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Speaker 3: of our team building a different way and moving Hopkins

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Speaker 3: made some sense.

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Speaker 2: But you have any interest in Ridley? He didn't practice today.

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Speaker 3: I know he's banged up. Yeah, I mean I had

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Speaker 3: I got. I'm wasn't like going to throw them right

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Speaker 3: Hopkins being not being Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They may go back to Levis next week, and then

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Speaker 2: I bet they will and Levis can't throw the ball

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Speaker 2: an eight target game, Ridley Ridley, in which he did

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Speaker 2: bit of a misnomer because some of the targets are

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Speaker 2: we're the eight targets. Yeah right, he was the intended receiver,

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Speaker 2: but the ball wasn't within five yards of him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like two weeks ago. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I'm like that, that's a target.

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Speaker 2: I guess you're somebody the target.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, it came out of the quarterbacks and it

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Speaker 3: was no one's catching it can't shoot straight right, My

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Speaker 2: Also, Tony Pollard not spotted the practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: The Spears back. He missed last week too.

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Speaker 2: He still has that hamstring. I don't think he was

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Speaker 3: I didn't think so either. Yeah, they're one of the

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Speaker 3: absolute worst teams in the league. They're in trouble. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Dk Metcalf missed practice on Wednesday, still dealing with that

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Speaker 2: mcl spring. They were optimistic that he could return this week.

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Speaker 2: I thought there was a decent chance. Yeah. Jedrick Willis

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Speaker 2: for the Browns return to practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: You call him Willis every time I do.

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Speaker 2: It's Wills.

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Speaker 3: It's Wills. I haven't couraged those makes me crazy.

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Speaker 2: You know, up and downs next to each other, and

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Speaker 2: it's easy to do. That's why I've let it slide

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Speaker 2: five years or whatever, but that's not his name. Yeah, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he kind of stinks. No, Brandon Aubrey returning from jury duty.

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Speaker 2: He's maybe that's why he missed. He screwed up the

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Speaker 2: they tried to flub a kick up there last weekend

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Speaker 2: because he didn't hit l missed all practice and missed

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Speaker 3: What if Dak Prescott would have got called injury duty?

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Speaker 3: Do you have to go?

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Speaker 3: Unless better news comes out, better chance of finishing the game.

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Speaker 3: You do that until further notice. Yeah, you know, for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jonathan Brooks with the knee injury, practiced him full

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't put him right in my line. No, I've

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Speaker 3: I know if you know. No, not not beat up

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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons with that ankle injury, still not ready.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I was talking to a cowboy guy today and

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Speaker 3: I asked him, you think they're buyers at the deadline.

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Speaker 3: He's like, if they lose, I think they're going to

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Speaker 3: sell Brandon Cooks and anything they can. Right, They're closer

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Speaker 2: Orlando Brown with a knee not practicing today.

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Speaker 2: He's dealing with a quad injury that forced him out

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Speaker 3: Any times we have this conversation in summer.

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Speaker 2: He's dealing with a little bit of an injury. Do

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't have a contract for next year.

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Speaker 3: Have steam only has two wins? They're not dedicated to me.

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Speaker 3: Do I have a lot of incentive to dress on Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Not really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just keep that in mind. Yeah, Trayvon Diggs

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Speaker 3: He's important as a leader type. Yeah, carry over from

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Speaker 3: Uh they're in the early week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Tyrone Tracy in the early stages of concussion

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Speaker 2: pro with any other receivers, No, no Metchi or Woods.

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Speaker 2: I don't think who's the kid from Michigan, Michigan. You

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Speaker 2: don't talk about Nico, No, the other they drafted another

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Speaker 3: Doesn't ring a bell? Yeah, Mutchinson still maybe Yeah, Okay?

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Speaker 2: With Iowa, yeah, Iowa, yeah, big ten gay Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: No, I mean either, but it might help Schultz good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh the Tyrone Tracy stuff. They play on Sunday

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Speaker 3: Oh that's the Germany game. Yeah. So what's his injury?

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Speaker 2: Concussion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds unlikely. Yeah, yeah, fortunate. Unfortunate because he

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Speaker 2: really good player. Yeah. The Cowboys did get some good news.

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Speaker 2: They activated Deron Bland from my R. Okay, I mean

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Speaker 3: They're kind of in it now, Yeah, they are. They're

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Speaker 3: four and four and offensive Summon Harrison's playing better. I

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Speaker 2: I think they're playing Seattle this week. The winner of

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Speaker 3: That division is really interesting all of a sudden, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It looks like Travis ATM with that hamstring injury, has

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Speaker 3: I mean, they just traded their left tackle. They're waving

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. Yeah. I don't think I'll be

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Speaker 2: Now unless he changes teams, yeah, which he could. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're on six books here, and the new one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately it is, thanks guy, Thanks Matt, Thanks Dale.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately it is not a coffee table book. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Ye, right, geniously invented. I was hoping they put legs.

441
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Speaker 2: Creamer would have done that, but you know that's he was.

442
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 2: He was ahead of his time with everything.

443
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,480
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to spit my coffee all over

444
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,400
Speaker 4: you guys though. Either.

445
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 2: What was the what was the impetus of this particular book.

446
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 2: And as as we mentioned, you've done five other books

447
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 2: before this. What what was kind of the thought behind

448
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 2: doing this one.

449
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,320
Speaker 4: I think it was like the hand of God moved

450
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 4: me to this book. And I'll tell you how I wrote.

451
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,159
Speaker 4: You know, on the Clock was the last one, and

452
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 4: pull them all it was before that. So two books

453
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 4: in two years. A little bit tired, you know. I

454
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 4: had some ideas and I found I found a great

455
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 4: library resource library at Campon at the pro Fooball Hall

456
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 4: of Fame, and I had gotten to know the head,

457
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 4: the head master there, the head researcher there, John, And

458
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 4: then I said, hey, John, I don't really know what

459
00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,160
Speaker 4: I'm going to do, but I have four or five ideas.

460
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 4: Can I just like camp out here for a couple

461
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 4: of weeks? He said sure, And so you have to

462
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 4: give your orders to John. What you want, like all

463
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 4: newspaper clippings from nineteen twenty through nineteen twenty nine.

464
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's going to bring up all hard was

465
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 3: it to find these ones from the thirties and twenties

466
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 3: and that kind of stuff?

467
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well he would he would dust it off and

468
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 4: bring it out, and I would sit there and go

469
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 4: through it all. And then I started going through all

470
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: the books and I would write little notes, this is

471
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Speaker 4: for this book, this is for this book, this is

472
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 4: for this book, and hey, I may do these books.

473
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Speaker 4: I may not, but I had when I when I

474
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 4: came home, then I ordered all the books that I

475
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 4: didn't have. Cot Else Stewart. To answer your question about

476
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 4: the twenties and thirties, Rob Rook's Rooney A Sporting Life,

477
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 4: I believe that's the full name. The Rooney biography is fantastic,

478
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 4: the chief and that gave me a lot of stuff

479
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 4: from the twenties and thirties. You know, actually goes back

480
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 4: to the early eighteen hundreds when great Grandpa was born

481
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 4: in Belfast, just south of Belfast, and so you know,

482
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 4: I and it's it's great when I give presentations at

483
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 4: at libraries like the Ohio County Library and Wheeling. I

484
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 4: gave a presentation and I talked a lot about what

485
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 4: I didn't put in the book before the book and

486
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: it kind of formulates how the Steelers, It kind of

487
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,479
Speaker 4: defines how the Steelers came about and why they are

488
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 4: what they are. And you know, you're tying in the

489
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Speaker 4: making of steel actually and how it's made, and how

490
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 4: this organization was made. And so, uh, I just I

491
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 4: ordered all the books, read all the books. I got

492
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Speaker 4: all the notes and had about ten yellow legal pads

493
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 4: of notes. And then I got a call. Uh Ed

494
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: Bouchette had They had called and said, you know anybody

495
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 4: that could do this history book we want to do.

496
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: And Ed said, yeah, Jim Waxell give him a call

497
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 4: on all and they said, yeah, you know, do you

498
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 4: have any uh like, do you have any notebooks full

499
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 4: of history? But Knut, you know what I said, Well.

500
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Speaker 2: So the great thing about this book, Jim, is that

501
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: it's not just the stories, but you've also got all

502
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: the art that goes with this stuff. And I imagine

503
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: that was one of the more difficult things, is that

504
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: is to gather the photos from all this stuff. Not

505
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: so much the more recent stuff because those are more

506
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Speaker 2: available now through services and stuff, but some of the

507
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 2: old pictures, like they're not as readily available.

508
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: And Jim, along those lines, is it hard to like,

509
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: we got seven great mean Joe pictures, which one are

510
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: we gonna use? Or Lamber had to be the hardest one,

511
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: you know, I.

512
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 4: Just wish we had the one of Joe. I wish

513
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 4: there was a film of Joe throwing the football into

514
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 4: the the Eagles up at that in his second year.

515
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: You know, when I first heard that story, I thought

516
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: it was a bit of a myth. No, my research

517
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 4: says it, and Dan Rooney and his autobiography said that

518
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 4: he threw it like Bradshaw. It was a beautiful long bomb.

519
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 4: And so I wish I had that photo. Joe Green

520
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 4: playing the Oilers in seventy two, his legendary game where

521
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 4: it was three to three and they had a bunch

522
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: of injured players. The Oilers were like one and eleven.

523
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 4: The Steelers are goaling for the first playoff. It was

524
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 4: late in the season, there was seventy two, and Joe said,

525
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 4: they're not going to score another point. He told Andy Russell,

526
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: and Andy Russell I read all his books to he

527
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: has some great stuff. What a great writer he was.

528
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 4: That's great linebacker too, of course. Yeah, but you know,

529
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 4: and and then Joe, I have this story in the book.

530
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 4: And then Joe went in at halftime. Oh, he blocked

531
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Speaker 4: a field goal right before halftime to make sure they

532
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: did score they points. And then he went in at

533
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 4: halftime and said just give me a field goal, and

534
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 4: he strip sacked. Speaking of TJ. Watt, he strip sacked quarterback.

535
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: We covered it, and they kicked a short field goal

536
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 4: at they're not moving the ball six to three, and

537
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 4: then he blew up a handoff and we covered that fumble,

538
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 4: and then they kicked another field goal nine three, and

539
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: then pastor and he's leading them down the field for

540
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: one last attempt at nine to three. Game and Joe

541
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Speaker 4: Green sacked him on third down, sacked him on fourth down.

542
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 4: He had five sacks and.

543
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: Then one Defensive Player of the Year like the next week,

544
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: right probably.

545
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: I know he was You know that that Chuck Knowles

546
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: still still couldn't believe it. Years later he was speaking,

547
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: he would say, I still look at that tape and

548
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 4: still can't believe it.

549
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those things when you see something

550
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: like that, And I know I've read that part of

551
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: the book, that that section of the book that you

552
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 2: had there to me that game and the games that

553
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: I've covered is a James Harrison game against the Ravens,

554
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: which is also mentioned in the book, and people we

555
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: always talk about it. People forget Ben through five touchdown

556
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: passes in that game on like sixteen passes because Harrison,

557
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: it was just such a ridiculous effort that everybody forgets

558
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: about that.

559
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 4: Well, the thing about Harrison, you know, the stats all

560
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: are beautiful, but every time he hit somebody, a ball

561
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: flew way up in the air, you know, and the

562
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 4: players on the ground rising in pain. I mean there

563
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 4: was there was more than just the stats with that.

564
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 4: And I think Ben's five touchdowns were all in the

565
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 4: first half.

566
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 2: They were Yeah, he throw five first half touchdown passes,

567
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: and nobody talks about it because James Harrison, put like,

568
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: was just a one man wrecking crew.

569
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Speaker 3: The best player of the field, well even special teams.

570
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: He was still playing special teams at that point too.

571
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: Was killing people there.

572
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, let's remember how much this town deifies defense.

573
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think that's part of it all. And

574
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: we're all we're all to blame, all of us. I

575
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: think we all just love defense. I mean, renegade. Look

576
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 4: how that's taken over. That's one, you know, that's one vignette.

577
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 4: I regret not having him there.

578
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: The renegade from them, Yeah, that would have been a

579
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: good one.

580
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 4: Mike, Mike Marchinski and how he invented it and you

581
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 4: know the marketing whiz behind that, and that would have

582
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: been that's one I regret not having.

583
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 2: In the next game, they showed they came back from

584
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: commercial break while Renegade was going on, just to kind

585
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 2: of give Yes, everybody that chanced to around the world

586
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: or country whoever, was watching to see what Renegade is

587
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: in the Steelers in stadium. I mean, it's just Dale,

588
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

589
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: That's exactly the moment I was home, I was sick.

590
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 4: I was sick Monday night. I was That's the exact

591
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: moment I regretted. Yes, I went so so it's funny

592
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: you kind of read my mind on that.

593
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you also had in there speaking of James Harrison,

594
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: what we all talked about when Joey Porter was was

595
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: put on the cover of Sports Illustrated after the two

596
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: thousand and five Super Bowl, the baddest man on the planet,

597
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: and the exact words that we were all talking about, like,

598
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: he's not even the baddest man in his own locker room.

599
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: That's James Harrison a position.

600
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: The baddest man had his own position.

601
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: It's just all kinds of great stuff like that in there.

602
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, those were the nuggets from covering the team

603
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: last third years. You know, we all have our own

604
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: nuggets from you know, personal interviews, and like I had

605
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: the Polcy thing in there the week they got t

606
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: boat from the playoffs. Yeah, I remember with all of

607
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: us surrounding Pilsey at the very beginning of the week,

608
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 4: and he just looked, Hey, look, I'm not answering fifty

609
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 4: thousand Key Bowl questions. So I got that in, you know,

610
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: just little nuggets to help shape these vignettes. But you know,

611
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: I dug deep into that library, and so I'm not

612
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: just given the basic the basic story of the history

613
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: I liked. I think I found enough nuggets and to

614
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: intersperse throughout, Like the seventy four draft. I was talking

615
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: to Wolf about this on his show today, the seventy

616
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 4: four draft. You know Myron Cope. I found this old pamphlet,

617
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: this dusty, old, beat up, tattered pamphlet of Myron that

618
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: he put out Myron's commentaries in the seventy four season.

619
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 4: Apparently he was maybe on TV. He would give his

620
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: one or two minute commentaries, and this is what he

621
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: typed them up and put them in this little pamphlet.

622
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 4: And I didn't find much in there except in the

623
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: at the end of the seventy four draft, he said

624
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 4: he was interviewing Chuck in front of the board. You know,

625
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: the media was allowed in the in those days, in

626
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 4: the war room in front to say, in front of

627
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: the board. All the names were crossed off except the

628
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: name at the bottom, and they were all calling a

629
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: free agency. It's about midnight. And Myron said to Chuck,

630
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: who's this And Chuck said, well, that's a guy we're

631
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: trying to sign right now in free agency. We got

632
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: to get him harms layer. And Myron said, why why

633
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: do you need harms lair from me? He's from Michigan State.

634
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: And Chuck said he deadpanned, because no one gets in

635
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: Harm's way. So, you know, little nuggets like that round

636
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: out the seventy four Draft vignette. So you know, we

637
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: all know the most of the stories of seventy four draft,

638
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 4: and how can you really write that up in two

639
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty words or less? Right, right, So you

640
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 4: have to you have to take bullet points at some point,

641
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 4: like the Immaculate Reception. I tried to get a little

642
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: creative with that one too, and yeah, just be a

643
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: little different. Get some of the Nuggets, and I did

644
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: my best. I really did my best, and I like

645
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: how it turned out.

646
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: You also had a little thing in there, a little

647
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: nugget called Pittsburgh's next the greatest draft class, about the

648
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one draft class. And that's always like people,

649
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: the seventy four draft classes is the seventy four draftless.

650
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: It's not only the best draft class in Steelers history,

651
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: it's the best draft class in NFL history period. There's

652
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: no there's nobody else short history.

653
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

654
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the seventy one draft class you had, you know,

655
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: people forget this one. This would be the best draft

656
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Speaker 2: class for just about any other team out there. Frank Lewis,

657
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Speaker 2: Jack cam Moon, Mullins, Dwight White, Larry Brown, Ernie Holmes,

658
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: Mike Wagner, Glenn Edwards.

659
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: There's like no misses and they're all stars. I didn't

660
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 3: realize how strong that was till just now.

661
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: Wow, I really you know, you know, Glenn Edwards was

662
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: the MVP of the first Super Bowl team.

663
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt.

664
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

665
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean we've all heard the story now about how

666
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: they're in the tunnel waiting to play the game and

667
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: everybody was super tight and and he Glenn Edwards just

668
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: piped up. He had a teammate with the Vikings from college,

669
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: and J. T. Thomas tells the story that he kept

670
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: looking over at his former college teammate and and he

671
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't acknowledge him, and so Glenn Edwards says, Oh, that's

672
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: how it's gonna be. We're gonna kick your you know

673
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: what you know on the field here. And it just

674
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: kind of loosened everybody up. And yeah, it just and

675
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: they didn't.

676
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Speaker 4: You better buckle up? I saw Glenn at the seventy

677
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 4: four you know, they had the seventy four guys in

678
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 4: two games ago for the Jets game, and Glenn, he

679
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: was he was a little stooped over, a little he's

680
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: a little old like we all are you.

681
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: He delivered a lot of blows in his time.

682
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I said, Glenn, tell me if that's true.

683
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: He told he told me, and just what you said, Dale,

684
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 4: I was an old teammate, And I said, you know

685
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: you hit Dylan at the at the five popped it

686
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: up and no blood intercepted it. I said, I don't

687
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: think he listened to you. I don't think he buckled up. Laughed,

688
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: he laughed, He said No, he didn't buckle.

689
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: Up, said Jim. You've been around this team obviously a

690
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: very long time, and you know how they operate, and

691
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: you know, but this is a true timeline. I mean,

692
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: this goes back to the twenties, way before any of

693
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: us were around. Did you get a better appreciation for

694
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: like the DNA of the organization and even where they

695
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: are today because of those days?

696
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I bet absolutely, you know. And Roux's book was

697
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: so good in this regard the twenties, and and you

698
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: guys talked about the flows. I had free range through

699
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: what's the photo company that begins with a G, not

700
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 4: gant Getty. Yeah, I have free range through Getty to

701
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 4: pick whatever I wanted. And I was worried that they said,

702
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: then we'll check the price and see if it's okay.

703
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: All of them are okay, but I was worried. And

704
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: but there's not many from the twenties, and so I

705
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: didn't pick much, you know, early as you could tell.

706
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: My first photos of the street signs Rooney Way, and

707
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: I did have a photo of the chief with horse

708
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: Racing Associates Cutline, but there's there's really not too much.

709
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: I couldn't do what I wanted to on the twenties,

710
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: so I had to kind of cram that into the

711
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: first vignette where in nineteen twenty six, Uh, you know Rooney.

712
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: Rooney was so good at marketing and he knew all

713
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: the politicians, so he merged all of his knowledge and

714
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: he was a great athlete. So he was a half

715
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: back on the Hope Harvey's, the best semi pro team,

716
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Speaker 4: and they couldn't get the Blue Laws repealed, and in

717
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: nineteen twenty sixth the Pittsburgh City officials stopped winking. Pennsylvania

718
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: officials stopped winking at the semi pro guys playing in

719
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: the suburbs on Sunday. So they had to go to

720
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 4: Ohio and hear the Whope Harvey's playing their home games

721
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: in East Steumanville in twenty six so they got a

722
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 4: barnstorming game exhibition game with an NFL team, Canton Bulldogs,

723
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Speaker 4: Jim Thorpe's team, and they held him to a three

724
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 4: to nothing. You know, they lost three to nothing. And

725
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: Thorpe was thirty nine at the time, and he usually

726
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: would play half a game against these exhibition teams and

727
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 4: they can't would be rolling high and can't Thorpe would

728
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 4: pull himself out. Well, he couldn't pull himself out of

729
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: this one. It was three nothing, and Rooney, apparently the chief,

730
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 4: was having a great day. So the NFL took notice

731
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: of them, and they knew the hot bed of football

732
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh because these semi proteins were drawing big crowds.

733
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: And Rooney was sharp enough and savvy enough. He befriended

734
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: com Posey, who was in the Baseball Hall of Fame,

735
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: who went to Dukayne. Rooney knew him from du Kane,

736
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 4: and Composey was trying to get the Pittsburgh Grays off

737
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: the ground in the Negro League, and so he was

738
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: a bit of a marketing with himself, and he was

739
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 4: older than Rooney. But that's where Rooney learned all his

740
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: marketing savvy and he had, you know, all the Pittsburgh

741
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: papers would cover the Rooney's semi protein, the Hope Harvey's

742
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: and they became the best. And when they did that

743
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 4: to Thorpe's team, the NFL took notice and said, boy,

744
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 4: we'd like to have this team. And they kept their

745
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: eyes on Pittsburgh. They always wanted Pittsburgh. Except for the

746
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: Blue Laws. You couldn't play on Sunday. And then thirty

747
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 4: three came along and Rooney found out through his political

748
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: connections that they were going to repeal the Blue Laws

749
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: in November. So he bought the team in July and

750
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 4: promised that. He said, I'm good, We're going to be

751
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: good on this in November. So from September to November

752
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: they had to play home games on Monday, Wednesday, Tuesday.

753
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 4: I think it's mostly Monday and Wednesday. So if you

754
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: ever hear anybody say like this, Chiefs Gape coming up

755
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: or whatever. In twenty twenty one, I think there was

756
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: one two first Wednesday night game in team history. That

757
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 4: first two months of the franchise, they had a couple

758
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: Monday night football, Wednesday Night football, and then the Blue

759
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: Laws were repealed. Rooney was right. His political connections paid off.

760
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 4: His marketing savvy paid off. If he can only find

761
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: some players, you know.

762
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that took a while. That took a while, but

763
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: he finally did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

764
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: Part of his problem was, you know, he's half trying

765
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: to get local names that everyone recognized, but also you know,

766
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: he passed on Sammy Baugh for the Duke Hane Center

767
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: in the draft, and partly because Sammy Ball was threatening

768
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: to play baseball. He had actually signed with the gas

769
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: Out's Gang, but they put him behind Marty Merrion and

770
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 4: Sammy was never going to play, and so he played

771
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: football and became one of the greatest. And so you know,

772
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: the chief was missing because he was trying to get

773
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: some local players that the fans knew it would come out,

774
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: and so you know, it was an ordeal. And then

775
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: finally in forty two he got Bill Dudley, and you know,

776
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: George Preston Marshall, owner of Redskins, kept telling Rooney, this

777
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: is a football town. Stick with it, stick with it,

778
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: don't sell stick with it. And in forty two the

779
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: Redskins came to town and Bill Dudley had the team

780
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: riding pretty high, and the biggest crowd in Steelers history,

781
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 4: Steelers Pirate's history, came out to watch the Redskins, and

782
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Post because that wrote that this was the

783
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: day pro football came to Pittsburgh, and so kind of

784
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: forty two is when it kind of grew up. And

785
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: then Jock Sutherland came and got him in the playoffs

786
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: in forty seven, and then he died a brain tumor

787
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 4: the next year, and so the hope of Jock Sutherland

788
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 4: kind of faded and then they scrambled some more and

789
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 4: you know, then we know how long it took till

790
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: sixty nine.

791
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: And then really yeah, absolutely, Jim. The book is called

792
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers, an illustrated Timeline. You can pick that

793
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: where can you pick that up?

794
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: At it?

795
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: I assume it's online and in some if you want.

796
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: To, if you want an autographed and inscribed personal is,

797
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: buy it at Jim Wexel dot com.

798
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,959
Speaker 2: Here you got website, that's the place.

799
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 4: Otherwise, you know, Barnes and Noble. I'm going to have

800
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: all kinds of events. I hesitate to give the events

801
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: right now because they're in late November and early December,

802
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: so we'll just keep that off off everyone's minds right now.

803
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: But Barnes and Noble, Amazon, it's brand new, and I'll

804
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 4: have some signings about Christmas time. But I hope we

805
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 4: make everybody aware of.

806
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 3: Well, assume you'll be announcing. I'm on Twitter too, right,

807
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: people can follow you.

808
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: There Twitter and Facebook. If you look on my Twitter

809
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: site and my Facebook page, they have stuff pinned whatever news,

810
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 4: whatever I have events, I'm gonna have it pinned on

811
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: at the top of my Twitter and Facebook pages. So yeah,

812
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys having me on.

813
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: Oh anytime, Jim, it's really cool. Yeah, yeah, we appreciate

814
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: you you coming on and taking the time here, but

815
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: we got to get to a break. Our guest has

816
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: been Jim Wexhell, the author of the new Steelers book,

817
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steelers and Illustrated Timeline. He is Matt Williamson.

818
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

819
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. We'll be back to finish

820
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: up the show right after this.

821
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

822
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

823
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

824
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

825
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Speaker 2: Matt Williams and that we don't have a lot of

826
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: time here, but that was really good. That was good stuff.

827
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: And Jim's I mean, he does his research on these things.

828
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, check that book out, The Pittsburgh Steelers and

829
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: Illustrated Timeline. You'll you'll learn some stuff.

830
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: You young pupps that don't like know what a magazine

831
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: is like, buy the book, like it's really visually appealing,

832
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: you know, it really is.

833
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just something about having the book here. And I'm

834
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: a bull guy. My wife always asked me about, well,

835
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Speaker 2: I want because.

836
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: I read a lot of books your speed reader too.

837
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: I pour through them pretty quickly, and so they start

838
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: stacking up, and I got boxes of books in my

839
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 2: garage and she eventually takes them away. I want to

840
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: reread that book and it's gone. But anyway, so I

841
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: I but I like to and she'll say, why don't

842
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: you get one of these e readers or something like that.

843
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just like to have the book in

844
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: my hand. And oftentimes when i'm reading, I'm reading in

845
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: bed before I go to sleep at night, and I'll

846
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: pour through.

847
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: Sounds good. And more space in your garage though.

848
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: I might need that if you get any reader. When

849
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: I go to bed, I want to put down the electronics.

850
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to pick up an electronic while I'm

851
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: trying to get you know, I'm ready to go to sleep.

852
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: But something like this is awesome because it's fantastic.

853
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the way it's set up, in the

854
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: visual appeal of it all. Yeah, yeah, I urge you.

855
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 3: I want to check that out.

856
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: So we've talked a lot about nausea Harris or a

857
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: good deal about nauseie Harris in this week. So today's show,

858
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: I should say, and Maury's shoones Drew always ranks his

859
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: top fifteen running backs. Yeah on NFL dot Com. We

860
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: rarely do anything with it because you know, but I

861
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: thought it would be good this week to take a.

862
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: Look at this. And he belongs to the top fifteen.

863
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: Where he's at in the top fifteen, and it changes

864
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: like Jordan Mason will jump in there, you know, one week,

865
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: make someone like that, you know, just whatever, because it's

866
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: always the kind of the hot guy of the week

867
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: and then you know, the other guy's kind of mixed in.

868
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: There's no McCaffrey even, Yeah, some of the guys that

869
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: are always in there.

870
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: So right now he's got Derek Henry number one. I

871
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: think we can all agree with it.

872
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: He's having a rediculous season. It's got sake is the

873
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: only one that's even in a conversation for me at

874
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: the moment.

875
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised that Barkley only has seventeen catches this year,

876
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: Like they're not using him as much as it never.

877
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: Throws he runs as opposed to dumping it off.

878
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs is three and Jamier Gibbs only has nineteen catches.

879
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: That's surprising. Yeah, that's surprising. I think got a Bjeon

880
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: ahead of him.

881
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: Bjeon Robinson's four. He's got thirty catch like he's he's

882
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: really five hundred and forty six rushing yards. He's also

883
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: got thirty catches.

884
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: I know, like there's some fantasy people that he's not

885
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: getting enough touches. I'm like, you're not paying attach. I

886
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: mean they're from the ball to them a time, and

887
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 3: the ouchier is good. He's got one hundred and forty

888
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: six touches.

889
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: He's on pace. We have three hundred touches this year.

890
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: That's more than enough.

891
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the locomotive of that offense.

892
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: Kyron Williams is five.

893
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not as big a fan, but he's growing

894
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: on me.

895
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I think the workload Derek for him is

896
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: part of that.

897
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: James Cook six, James Cook has been better than I have,

898
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: having a good year.

899
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got Josh Jacob seven.

900
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: Okay, he doesn't blow me away just watching them, but

901
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: he's productive.

902
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: He's got six hundred and sixties. He's got He and

903
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: Henry are tied for the most rushing attempts with one hundred.

904
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: And forty five each. He's a workhorse. Yeah, I really

905
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: respected style play.

906
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara eight.

907
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: Okay, he's one of the only bright spots for the Saints.

908
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: That's about it. H David Montgomery nine.

909
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: They just gave him money and that's the best backfield

910
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: in the league.

911
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: JK Dobbins ten. Najie Harris has had a better season

912
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: than JK Dobbins.

913
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 3: Dobbins started so fast until they ran into the Steelers.

914
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's been kind of okay, fifty or sixty

915
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: yards here, James.

916
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: Breaking a lot of big ones early in the season.

917
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

918
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 2: James Connor is eleven. Connor's still really good. Yeah, he's

919
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 2: another guy I really respect the way he plays. Joe

920
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: Mixon is twelve.

921
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: I thought he was closer to washed up than he's

922
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: showing this.

923
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: He's ever a four point nine yards of carry. Yeah,

924
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: he's been the only No, he's only played five games,

925
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: which kind of hurts, but four point nine yards to

926
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: carry is four point nine yards carries.

927
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 3: Otherwise, they don't run the ball. If he's righting there

928
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: at thirteen.

929
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: Is not Harris?

930
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. I'm not sure there's some names there.

931
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: I thought maybe i'd put him over, but I think

932
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: he's ascending.

933
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: I mentioned some of the catch numbers for some of

934
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: those other receiver or running backs at the top, because

935
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: here are Naugy's numbers. One hundred and thirty six attempts.

936
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: So he's not that far off the league lead. Yeah,

937
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: he's only nine behind Henry, and Henry doesn't have a

938
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: war in Yeah, you know, five hundred and ninety two

939
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: rushing yards. As I said, he's on pace right now

940
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: after after week eight for about twelve hundred and fifty

941
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: rushing yards four point four yards of carry, which would

942
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: be would be quite good. Right three weeks ago, he

943
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: was at like three point.

944
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: Four, I'd say, skyrocketing that right now. He's ripping off

945
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: big runs.

946
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: But seventeen catches for one hundred and fifty two yards,

947
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: and he doesn't really play on third downs, and he

948
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: doesn't play third downs. That's the big part to me

949
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: that I think is being overlooked a little bit here

950
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: with Naugy Harris. You look at some of these other guys,

951
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: for example, Joe Mixon has fourteen catches for one hundred

952
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: and fifteen yards. James Connor sixteen for one fifty five,

953
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: and he's.

954
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: A good case. He's a good yeah.

955
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Dobbins has nineteen for eighty seven. Wow, Montgomery fourteen

956
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: for one thirty eight, Kamara has forty's that's what they do.

957
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: That's yeah, especially when they can't protect.

958
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: But Jacobs seventeen for one fifteen, James Cook, it's actually

959
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: a lot for Jacobs fourteen for one forty five.

960
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 3: W I already got the over on that.

961
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kiram Williams only has nineteen catches for ninety yards.

962
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: Running backs. Is that a theme in the league a

963
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: running back?

964
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: It seems like it, Yeah, because I think all these

965
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: teams have third down backs, they kind of more.

966
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: Guys getting in. Yeah. I would think with all the

967
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 3: cover two, you dump at the backs more, you know.

968
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: But Naji's seventeen over seventeen for one to fifty two

969
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: has been really good this year. So you look at

970
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: it and he's already over seven hundred total yards this season.

971
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: That was always one of my criticisms since he's been drafted,

972
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: is watching him at Bama or those first training camps.

973
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: He's that's an under appreciated receiving skills, not just Ben

974
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: dumping it to him to get it out. I mean,

975
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: like he's not Lev Bell, but I mean he has

976
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: a great catching radius, and he has really good hands,

977
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 3: and he'll pluck it over his head and he's a

978
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: better receiver than I think most people realize.

979
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I think I mean he's he's deserving

980
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: to be on the list, in the top fifteen. He's

981
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: having a great year.

982
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: He's right behind him and finish out the.

983
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: List Brian Robinson and Chewba Hubbard.

984
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: Okay, those guys are both quality.

985
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: They're both having good year.

986
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: They are.

987
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean that's where he has kind of

988
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: positioned himself, and I think it's going to continue to

989
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: go up. As I mentioned, he always seems to get

990
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: stronger as the season goes on.

991
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point, and I think he's having

992
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: his best season.

993
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: As also going to get Zach Frasier back there.

994
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't hurt you know, and Patterson might eat

995
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: it in a little, but that might also keep him

996
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: pressure for the maybe better for the team. Yeah, he's

997
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: right there.

998
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: Though, with like the five names ahead of him too. Yeah,

999
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't think there's much difference there. No,

1000
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so either, But I definitely have him

1001
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 2: over the last two.

1002
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1003
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean he's is Bob Labriola said earlier in your show,

1004
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: and I liked it. This is not a Justin Fields

1005
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: versus Russell Wilson thing. No, No, you can like Naji Harrison,

1006
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: you can also like Jalen Warree.

1007
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: Both can be true.

1008
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: They both have they both do what they do well.

1009
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: But Najee Harris is the Steelers bell.

1010
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: Cow and this scheme and this system and these players

1011
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: have gotten, as Labs mentioned, they've opened some holes for him.

1012
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: I also think they fight. I think Arthur Smith has

1013
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 2: kind of figured out what he can and can't run

1014
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: with Nag.

1015
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: We're seeing a lot less zone the last four games

1016
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: as opposed to start of the season. You know, they're

1017
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 3: starting to understand everyone's traits and strengths and weaknesses a

1018
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: little bit better too.

1019
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: So I think the running game is only going to

1020
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: continue to produce at a greater lesure comes back. Yeah, right, absolutely, Matt.

1021
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: That's going to do for the show.

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Speaker 3: To fine two guests today, two guests, how about that? Yeah,

1023
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Speaker 3: to Steeler historian type.

1024
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Speaker 2: You're America's guests, so you're you know, you were on

1025
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Speaker 2: more podcasts, come on a lot.

1026
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: This week's not exactly off, but there's a couple of

1027
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Speaker 3: things off the plate. Yeah, absolutely nice.

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Speaker 2: But for my partner Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here Manning,

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Speaker 2: we overworked him today on the Justin Miller Hotline. Let

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Speaker 2: me let me tell you that. For Tylert Viitt Meyer

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Speaker 2: here keeping us on the air on YouTube. May we

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Speaker 2: appreciate that you can leave your responses there. Again, you

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Speaker 2: can check out the book. There's a picture of it

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Speaker 2: there by Jim Wexel Uh and Uh. I'm Dale Lallie.

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