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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast

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Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Sabdayga and welcome to Unbreakable, a mental health podcast with

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Speaker 2: Jay Glazer.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jay Glazier.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to this week's guest, who is one

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Speaker 2: of the more aspiring people have been around, not just

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League, but in all of life.

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Speaker 2: Before we get to him, if you're like many people,

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Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five

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Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year, yet

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Speaker 2: far too many fella received the support they need. Caroline

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Speaker 2: Behavioral Health is doing something about it. They understand that

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Speaker 2: behavioral is a key part of whole health, delivering compassionate

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Speaker 2: care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs in tandem.

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Speaker 2: Caroline Behavioral el raising the quality of life through empathy

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Speaker 2: and action. So talk about somebody who has shown himself

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Speaker 2: a lot of empathy over the years and taken action

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Speaker 2: on his own life over the last ten years. And look,

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Speaker 2: we just came through the NFL draft. We saw people

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Speaker 2: dropping like Will Levice and we're all wondering, Man, what

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Speaker 2: goes out through someone's mind like that, Well who better

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Speaker 2: talk to? And the Seattle Seahawks Pro Bowl starting quarterback,

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Speaker 2: newly off a new contract, who has completely rewrapped his

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Speaker 2: own career and his old life with this, their starting quarterback,

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Speaker 2: Gino Smith.

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Speaker 4: Hey doing buddy, I'm doing great?

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Speaker 5: Ja.

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Speaker 4: How you doing now?

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Speaker 3: I am living the dream man. That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Go with you now that you just saw on your

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Speaker 2: waybe like a month out from you signed that new

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Speaker 2: deal of life is. Life's changed a lot. But do

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Speaker 2: you ever expect men that this would ever happen for you?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't say that I didn't. You know,

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Speaker 4: I really did. I think that's part of being you know,

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Speaker 4: having self confidence and all that. But you know, life

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Speaker 4: hasn't really changed. But you know I kind of kept

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Speaker 4: things the same at my banking couch changes a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Whether other than that, man, you know, things have been

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Speaker 4: the same for me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I both know our wallets are not edge depresss.

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Speaker 2: To be careful there, man, it brings more problems.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that time, get there.

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Speaker 4: I'm aware, I'm aware and whatever.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I say that people, I'm like, hey, oh, wallets

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Speaker 2: are not in depressives. People will jump my shit all

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Speaker 2: the time, like you have no fucking idea, Clay, Yeah, fine,

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Speaker 2: five few to shit. You're rich, Hey, I went from

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Speaker 2: broke to unbreakable. I was making ninety five hundred bucks

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Speaker 2: a year first eleven years of my career. I understand

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Speaker 2: both sides of it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, Hey, you got it. You got it. You

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Speaker 4: gotta understand both sides. And like you said, man, money

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Speaker 4: doesn't you know, make you happy? I mean, you know

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Speaker 4: sometimes it can, you know, it could kind of aid things.

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Speaker 4: But if you can't find that, you know that self love.

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Speaker 4: If you if you can't figure out ways to be

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Speaker 4: happy down material things, man you'll be. You're gonna be

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Speaker 4: on a wild ride for a long time, no Doubtmand yes,

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Speaker 4: definitely beaver bills and we can go on better trips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nice to be able to make sure back

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Speaker 2: in the day and I have to just decide, okay,

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Speaker 2: which one of my bills.

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Speaker 3: Am I knocking it way?

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Speaker 2: And that sucked.

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Speaker 3: However, the heat turned off a lectures he's turned off.

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Speaker 2: That definitely sucked.

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Speaker 4: Right, been there, man? You know, we all we all

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Speaker 4: come from some humble beginnings. But you know, it's a

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Speaker 4: blessing to be in this position. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: and you just gotta uh, you know, stay humblest of anything,

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Speaker 2: So we just had the NFL Draft and we saw

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Speaker 2: Will Levis dropping obviously ended Hooker dropping. You were one

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Speaker 2: people who thought you'd go one, two, three, four, and

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Speaker 2: us through that process back then and then after that.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you when you see these guys,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that process. Yeah, twenty thirteen at the Radio

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Speaker 4: It was also my mother's fortieth birthday. So my mother,

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you know, on on something live.

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Speaker 2: But wait, she turned forty that night that night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so that's a story not many people know.

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Speaker 4: But my mother's birthday also, so you know, it was

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Speaker 4: kind of a moment where you know you're leading up

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Speaker 4: a storybook night, you know, I mean my mother's birthday.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm getting drafted, being a high draft pick,

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Speaker 4: you know, really just a lot of our certainty, right

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Speaker 4: not knowing, hey will I get drafted? Am I as

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Speaker 4: good as people said I was? You know, what, what's

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Speaker 4: of questioning yourselves like, you know, what did I do

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Speaker 4: you know, as I'm not getting drafted in the first round,

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Speaker 4: But you know, I didn't watch the draft this year,

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Speaker 4: they kept cutting to Will Levis. You know, every time

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Speaker 4: it because of what happened? He no, I just I've

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Speaker 4: But just hearing about how will you know how they

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: You know, every time someone gets picked, they want to

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Speaker 4: see your reaction. You know, they'll they'll show that person's

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Speaker 4: it kind of creates this reality TV moment, you know,

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Speaker 4: for great for the viewers and the fans and the

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Speaker 4: networks and all that. It's it's perfect. You get drafted

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Speaker 4: and none of that stuff matters. You know, none of

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Speaker 4: that stuff matters. But you know, I got drafted the

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Speaker 4: next night, and I kind of totally forgot about what

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Speaker 2: Did you really? Yeah, so that's really that's so you're

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Speaker 3: Yes. Wow.

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Speaker 2: So I always tell guys we're coming down, you know,

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Speaker 2: tell short you guys, listen, don't be the misery shot, Like,

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Speaker 2: and you can see people angry and man, don't do that.

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Speaker 2: At what point did you realize, oh, man, I'm not guy,

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Speaker 4: I didn't you know, I didn't realize it because I'm

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Speaker 4: you kind of you know, are looking at what you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of sitting there waiting, like you know, like anyone

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Speaker 4: be reality. In that moment, I was I'm never the

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Speaker 4: you know, it's like I'll show you type of deal.

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Speaker 4: But in that moment, I just remember like, well, these

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's really just was My thought process

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Speaker 5: But it looked like when you look back, and you

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at my phone and people I get text

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Speaker 5: as if someone text me like hey, pick your head up.

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Speaker 4: And so that's when I was like aware of it,

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Speaker 4: like oh, yeah, they're watching. But at the time, you know,

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Speaker 2: What would your advice be to these cats that will

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Speaker 2: Lebers's if you could have talked to him before the draft,

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Speaker 2: I would say go with you know, obviously got.

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Speaker 4: A decision to make. It'll be a dream come true

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Speaker 4: for anybody to walk across that stage and hear your

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Speaker 4: name called. I think that's what we all play the

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Speaker 4: game for. You know, you want to make it to

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Speaker 4: the big leagues and you want to walk across that

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Speaker 4: so I would say, if you're uncertain about it, you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe not go. The experience is still a great experience.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if you're uncertain about getting drafted in

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Speaker 4: if a team hasn't told you, hey, if you're there,

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Speaker 4: we're picking you, you know, maybe think about it. But

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Speaker 4: when you go, when you experience that and let's say

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Speaker 4: you are the quote unquote misery shot, or you know

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Speaker 4: you are falling in the draft like I did or

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Speaker 4: Will did, or you know, as you know fell in

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Speaker 4: the draft. You know, it just does something to you.

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Speaker 4: It puts the added chip wine shoulder in it. You

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Speaker 4: can you can look at it as a negative because

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Speaker 4: so many guys have said, oh, well, you know, I

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Speaker 4: remember all the names of the guys picked before me.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm not.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got picked thirty nine. That's the dream

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Speaker 4: my mind set is to go beat him out. I mean,

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Speaker 4: however I can. I don't know what it could seem impossible, right,

434
00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,040
Speaker 4: Someone actually told me, God told me on the scene,

435
00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,760
Speaker 4: said you got a better chance of hitting the lotto

436
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,040
Speaker 4: and starting the game over.

437
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:13,240
Speaker 3: Eli.

438
00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,080
Speaker 4: I was putting on everything and God told me that,

439
00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,400
Speaker 4: And I took that very personal. I really took that personal.

440
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,080
Speaker 4: So I just I just was going to outwork anybody.

441
00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,560
Speaker 4: And that's kind of how my mind is wired. I'm

442
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,879
Speaker 4: not gonna be denied, you know, I just I just won't.

443
00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,080
Speaker 4: I hope you played lotto every week since I should.

444
00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,720
Speaker 4: I need well, I think I think I think I

445
00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,840
Speaker 4: got something better than the level.

446
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Speaker 2: That's right, You've made a lot of Actually, hey, one

447
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,080
Speaker 2: point last season, did you realize, Okay, everything I worked

448
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,359
Speaker 2: for man now it's clicking, like at one point during

449
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,400
Speaker 2: the course and she's like, it's it I'm doing and

450
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Speaker 2: and did you surprise yourself?

451
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Speaker 3: No, you can better.

452
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Speaker 2: But the year you had last year, Matt record breaking?

453
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Speaker 2: Did it even surprise you at sometimes?

454
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Speaker 3: It didn't it?

455
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Speaker 4: Really?

456
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Speaker 3: You know?

457
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Speaker 4: The thing? The funny part about it is those numbers

458
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Speaker 4: I was putting up had done that on the Jets

459
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,119
Speaker 4: you know I was. We went a and eight my

460
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,399
Speaker 4: rookie years, missed the playoff by one game. I was

461
00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,800
Speaker 4: a Rookie of the Year runner up my second year.

462
00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,520
Speaker 4: I was only quarterback in league with a perfect pass

463
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Speaker 4: rate in the game. And that's hard to do if

464
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Speaker 4: you look at my you know, last eight game starts.

465
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Speaker 4: Because I'm big on the numbers, numbers telling you who

466
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Speaker 4: you are. My numbers were up there with the better

467
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the league. But the perception was already that

468
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,320
Speaker 4: I wasn't good enough. But I was aware of the reality.

469
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Speaker 4: And also, I mean, I get to see myself play

470
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Speaker 4: football every day. I pretty much know what I could do.

471
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Speaker 4: So I've done some awesome things and practice tape is outstanding,

472
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Speaker 4: but it's just that hadn't happened in the games. So

473
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Speaker 4: I had really positive coaches who would always remind me, hey,

474
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Speaker 4: remember who you are, right, remember the type of player

475
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Speaker 4: you are. These are the things you can do. They

476
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,760
Speaker 4: spoke positive reinforcements into you. I think it's really important

477
00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,480
Speaker 4: to have people around you who speak positivity, speak life

478
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Speaker 4: into you. And that's what they did. And so it

479
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Speaker 4: allowed me to continue to work hard, continue to stay focused,

480
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Speaker 4: and just have that mindset that you know it's gonna

481
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Speaker 4: happen again, and when it does, it's going to be abuseful.

482
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Speaker 2: Look out this, I know, I'm sure you opportune of

483
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,720
Speaker 2: that thing. Screw me, screw you not either? The word

484
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Speaker 2: were you religious?

485
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Speaker 5: Right?

486
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Speaker 2: So last year when you're when you're lighting up, how

487
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Speaker 2: did you refrain from wanting to say to people, don't

488
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Speaker 2: screw yourself?

489
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Speaker 4: You know, I think it comes with maturity. It really

490
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 4: just void of ego. You know, I'm just trying to

491
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Speaker 4: do the best that I can to you know, live

492
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Speaker 4: my life in a righteous way every single day and

493
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 4: completely take away the ego. You know, I don't. I

494
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 4: don't see it as uh me versus anyone else anymore.

495
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,159
Speaker 4: It's just me versus myself. How how great can I

496
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Speaker 4: be every day? How far can I push myself? And

497
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 4: you know, the expectations I place on myself is far

498
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,119
Speaker 4: greater than what anyone else can place on me. So,

499
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 4: you know, opinions, everyone's entitled to them. I respect that,

500
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 4: you know, most of them don't matter. Some of them do,

501
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 4: but most of them don't. So you just got to

502
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 4: realize that the opinions and all that type of stuff,

503
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 4: the outside noise. It doesn't matter. You got to go

504
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Speaker 4: out there and execute and get things done.

505
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Speaker 2: So this is obviously with a mental health podcasts, but

506
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Speaker 2: it's also build up mental wealth as well. Sir, You've

507
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: taught us a lot here running. Is there anything else

508
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 2: that you learned on this journey that could help not

509
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: just people in the NFL, but any of us?

510
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Speaker 4: I would say, man, just life in itself is a journey, right,

511
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Speaker 4: I mean there's obstacles, there's ups and downs as we

512
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 4: all go along this road. Man, I'm gonna see more

513
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 4: hardships at some point in my life. You can expect that, right,

514
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 4: you can expect that, And so I think truly being

515
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Speaker 4: prepared for that, understanding who you are as as a

516
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Speaker 4: man or a woman, having the right people around you,

517
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Speaker 4: you know, surrounding yourself with great people who are gonna

518
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Speaker 4: uplift you and make you want to work harder and

519
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 4: be better. Those things are important. And then self love, man,

520
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Speaker 4: I mean, self love is like the biggest thing.

521
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Speaker 5: Man.

522
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Speaker 4: You have to love yourself, like every day when you

523
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Speaker 4: look in the mirror, you know, speak positive affirmations to yourself. Now,

524
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Speaker 4: I'm great, man, you look good?

525
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

526
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Speaker 4: Like say, I'm gonna uplift your own spirit because you know,

527
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 4: in the world where it's so much negativity that powers

528
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Speaker 4: on and is so much where people want to bring

529
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 4: you down, you got to keep yourself and keep your

530
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Speaker 4: standards high and keep your head hill high. And so

531
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Speaker 4: I've just always learned to, you know, walk with your

532
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 4: shoulders up, your head high, and you know, really never

533
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Speaker 4: let people see your head down. But also internally, you

534
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 4: got to come to a place where those things don't

535
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Speaker 4: matter and you're just happy with waking up every day

536
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Speaker 4: because that's truely the blessing.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I think it's amazing what you've done because

538
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 2: especially his last ten years of social media's taken over

539
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: hurt people like to hurt people. Yes, everybody's hurt these

540
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Speaker 2: days because of social media, a lot of it right

541
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Speaker 2: where we compare ourselves to everybody else's life and we

542
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: think our lives suck or man, we see so much

543
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Speaker 2: hate on Twitter, so they are trying to tear it down.

544
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Speaker 2: I think if they're hurt, so for you to be

545
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Speaker 2: able to not fall into that trap and let them

546
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Speaker 2: tear your dad and want to kind of you know

547
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Speaker 2: ha ha back at them is that itself is.

548
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Speaker 3: Adverable on your art.

549
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Speaker 4: I appreciate them with bay absolutely.

550
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Speaker 2: Plus you know, also look for your kids be able

551
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Speaker 2: to see you now go like hen' this is who

552
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Speaker 2: that is.

553
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Speaker 4: Yes, this is Dad's character. Yes, that's a forever And

554
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Speaker 4: you know I'm big on character. I always want to

555
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like our impact, like you said,

556
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: is much greater than on the field. You know. I

557
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 4: want to be an inspiration to so many people, but

558
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Speaker 4: not just for what I do on the field. You know,

559
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Speaker 4: I want my story to inspire people outside of football,

560
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: because life to me, you know, is a microcosm of

561
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 4: football in itself. There's ups and downs, but man, you

562
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 4: gotta keep playing. You gotta play the next play. You

563
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 4: gotta wake up the next day. You gotta go to work, right,

564
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 4: you got to you know, you got responsibilities and so

565
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 4: you just got to always take care of those.

566
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Speaker 3: What do you view your career as being a successful

567
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Speaker 3: I think.

568
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Speaker 4: My career is a success because of the longevity, because

569
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Speaker 4: of the fact that I was able to stick with

570
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Speaker 4: it for so long, obviously having put up the numbers

571
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Speaker 4: that I expected to put up over a team year career,

572
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Speaker 4: but I got long ways to go still. So you know,

573
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Speaker 4: we'll see at the end how it goes. But I

574
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Speaker 4: think the longevity and just the way that I've been

575
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Speaker 4: able to inspire my teammates, been able to help the

576
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Speaker 4: guys around me, and been an impact not only on

577
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Speaker 4: the football field within community.

578
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Speaker 2: All Right, last question, I asked all my guests this.

579
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Speaker 2: I know we've we've kind of hit on some of it,

580
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Speaker 2: but if you can give me one moment at your

581
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Speaker 2: unbreakable moment, one moment that should have broken you but didn't,

582
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Speaker 2: and as a result, you came through the other side

583
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Speaker 2: of that tunnel and you will be stronger forever. For

584
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Speaker 2: what's that moment?

585
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Speaker 4: I will say, Man, just you know the three years,

586
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Speaker 4: the three years where I was a backup and I

587
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 4: went team to team. You know, I was on the Jets,

588
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Speaker 4: like like you said, it was the backup of Fitzpatrick,

589
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: who was a great player, and you know, obviously it

590
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 4: hurt me out to play. And then I had to

591
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Speaker 4: go to the Giants in back of Eli. Wanted to

592
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Speaker 4: you know, get a chance, didn't get a chance, really

593
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Speaker 4: get a chance there, went to the Chargers back of

594
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Speaker 4: Philip Rivers. Didn't get a chance there. And so you

595
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Speaker 4: know at that point, I was pretty much a journeyman

596
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Speaker 4: that was looking like what my career could have been.

597
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Speaker 4: And I had never envisioned that for myself. You know,

598
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Speaker 4: I thought, you know, I'd go to a team and

599
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 4: play there forever and never leave. But as life would

600
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 4: have it, you know, I had to go through something

601
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Speaker 4: in order to gain the perspective. And so I feel like,

602
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Speaker 4: you know, that was a chance where I could have said,

603
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 4: you know what, maybe I need to retire, do something else,

604
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 4: find a different way. But I stuck to it. I

605
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 4: stuck with it, kept confidence in myself, and here we

606
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 4: are today, and I want to thank you for something

607
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 4: to man, because I went and talked to your team

608
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Speaker 4: last year about mental health.

609
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Speaker 2: And I usually try and pick out why aren't you

610
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Speaker 2: guys in the crowd, because I was out, man, I'm

611
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: being wrong up there, I'm pulling back my own skin,

612
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: and I'm being as vulnerable as you can get up there.

613
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: And usually I pick out people i've trained and MMA

614
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: in the past because I know them and we've already

615
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: kind of had these talks. And it wasn't that in

616
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 2: your locker room this year trained Luke Wills from the past.

617
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't there this year. So, man, you were sitting

618
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: right there, and you're the guy I.

619
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Speaker 3: Kind of zoned in on it.

620
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Speaker 2: Man, I just kind of bet right like kind of nonverbal.

621
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Speaker 3: Bonded with you and just wanted you to know how.

622
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Speaker 2: Much you helped me that day, being really raw and

623
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: vulner well out there to try and help you guys

624
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: bond more as a team and to lean into each

625
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Speaker 2: other more.

626
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Speaker 3: So want to fact you, man. I don't know if

627
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Speaker 3: I've ever thought you for it.

628
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Speaker 4: Oh, Man, I appreciate you.

629
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Speaker 1: Man.

630
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Speaker 4: That was a great by the way, that was great

631
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Speaker 4: of you to do that. I think we'd have to

632
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Speaker 4: do that more. I have to open up more and

633
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: allow people to see our scors sometimes. Man, So I

634
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: appreciate you for doing that. Well. I'm happy I could

635
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: have been there for you.

636
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Speaker 3: We got to be proud of our scorers bad.

637
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Speaker 2: I appreciate you, brother, all right, Gino Spith Matt, thank

638
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: you for joining me, man, I really appreciate it.

639
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 4: Let's keep walking this walk together, brother, Yes, sir, Let's

640
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Speaker 4: keep going