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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Y'all. This is episode ninety two of

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod, where we give you all things politics and culture.

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Speaker 1: We are your hosts Angela Raie, There's Andrew Gillien and

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Speaker 1: Tiffany Cross. What's going on, y'all? What are we talking

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Speaker 1: about today?

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Speaker 3: I think we got to talk about DC. As you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm here in the nation's capital and it is on fire.

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Speaker 3: It is on lockdown, and it's giving twenty twenty vibes

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Speaker 3: post the uprising, I'll say, after George Floyd. So I

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Speaker 3: definitely want to get into that.

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Speaker 4: With a direct target on the backs of black mayors.

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Speaker 4: It appears all across the country. Angela, tiff good to

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Speaker 4: be back with you. Welcome backstate side. Sis. We also

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Speaker 4: got to get into this redistricting, which I think is

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Speaker 4: monopolizing a lot of national conversation, and I think we

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Speaker 4: got to level it so that people know where they

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Speaker 4: fit into it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing that's very important is to

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Speaker 1: your point, Andrew, we are welcoming tip back, and I

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Speaker 1: think her journey to the Motherland helps us to realize

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Speaker 1: that our politics are not in fact flat. They touched

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Speaker 1: the globe and we, especially as the people, got to

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Speaker 1: be connected. So I can't wait to get this update

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Speaker 1: from Tip. I would say a quad, but but that

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Speaker 1: ain't it when you say, yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Spoke French and ingala, So I'm.

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Speaker 1: Andrew what we say all the time, welcome.

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Speaker 4: States.

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Speaker 1: Step off message anyway, I wanted if you guys don't mind,

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Speaker 1: I just want to do a quick shout out. Right

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Speaker 1: before we started the show. Uh, I learned that a

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Speaker 1: good friend of mine, who I've known since middle school,

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Speaker 1: was killed tragically in a car accident. His name is

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Speaker 1: Teddy Huger. I just want to dedicate this episode of

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Speaker 1: Native Lamppod to him and his family. He hard to

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Speaker 1: have his baby girl, and I think she's three now,

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Speaker 1: so I just want to send leve to his family.

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Speaker 1: It's a reminder for everybody at home that life is

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Speaker 1: indeed short and we are living in some trying times,

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Speaker 1: and in the midst of all that, on a macro level,

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Speaker 1: people are also suffering and grieving. So I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to learn to everyone Greeving loved ones today. Thanks time.

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Speaker 6: Reporting live from Washington, d C. I'm right outside of

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Speaker 6: just want to give you all the update about the

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Speaker 6: situation on the ground here in Washington, d C. So,

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Speaker 6: as you guys know, for the past couple of days,

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Speaker 6: this administration has been agitating local Washingtonians with the federalization

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Speaker 6: of our police force, with the deployment of National Guard.

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Speaker 6: He's doing everything that he can to a rode our

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Speaker 6: local autonomy. Our council members are taking issue with the

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Speaker 6: fact that section seventy forty of the Home Rule Act

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Speaker 6: But the thing is, Donald Trump issued this order under

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Speaker 6: the guise of a public safety emergency. But what we

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Speaker 6: there is no public safety emergency now. Outside of the

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Speaker 6: thing that went viral where Elon's doge boy got beat

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Speaker 6: up downtown last week, crime is actually down here in DC,

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Speaker 6: violent crimes especially, and so it's important to note that

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Speaker 6: this is not done for public safety. If this was

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Speaker 6: same person who decided to release the insurrectionists that wek

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Speaker 6: why would you do that? Or if you truly care

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Speaker 6: about safety, where is the unredacted Epstein list. I mean,

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Speaker 6: there's so many things that could promote more safety than

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Speaker 7: Most people don't.

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Speaker 6: Care about DC because they don't see it as out

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Speaker 6: We are a real city with real people and real experiences.

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Speaker 5: That are being affected by this.

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Speaker 6: And to my folks in the city, let's stay educated,

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Speaker 7: Him everything that he wants.

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Speaker 6: The Democrats are right there sort of bowing down. And

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Speaker 6: so for us as community members here in DC who

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Speaker 6: for each other. I know, I just helped somebody get

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Speaker 6: I saw folks interacting with that t app and having

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Speaker 6: all the details to share about folks, let's share some

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Speaker 5: These federal agencies in our city.

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Speaker 6: Let's insulate ourselves and make sure that we're safe.

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Speaker 1: And so that's all.

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Speaker 8: I have.

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Speaker 6: Hope to be joining you on the show soon, but

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Speaker 6: in the meantime between times, pray for DC.

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Speaker 7: Free DC.

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Speaker 1: That is from ty Hobson Powell, who has been on

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Speaker 1: the show with us before. In addition to that really

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Speaker 1: incredible update, those encouraging words, we have got another, Andrew

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Speaker 1: gillim Tiff. We got a new word in our yeah,

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Speaker 1: in our vocabulary, it is de arrested. I am gonna

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Speaker 1: make sure that I get some people de arrested in

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Speaker 1: this moment. I love that time.

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Speaker 4: I think he was going to words de escalation, de escalty.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's fine, but I like the arrest I

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Speaker 1: would like the arresting people.

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Speaker 3: Well, he was you want to come to he was

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Speaker 3: one of the three young people. Yeah, do we know

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Speaker 3: remember how old he was?

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Speaker 1: He's in his early thirties. But you know at Grandma's house,

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Speaker 1: you sit at the young young people's table. Yeah, until

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Speaker 1: you're forty five. I'm forty five, so I think I

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Speaker 1: get graduated up in October. T if I want to

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Speaker 1: come to you, Because we actually did my solo pod

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Speaker 1: yesterday on the same issue. We had mother ms Corey A.

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Speaker 1: Korra masters Berry on, we had Tony Lewis, who's a

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Speaker 1: Dion Reader. But I want to come to you because

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Speaker 1: you live in the heart of the nation's capital. What

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Speaker 1: are you scan tif, how are you feeling and how

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Speaker 1: do you encourage residents to respond in this moment?

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Speaker 3: Well, I one, I see a lot of pushback from

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Speaker 3: the residence, a rainbow coalition of pushback. I've even stopped

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Speaker 3: white men have been very vocal, and I would say

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Speaker 3: even provocative when it comes to the increased presence of

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Speaker 3: law enforcement. And when I've asked, you know, why are

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Speaker 3: you yelling? What's your interests? And they say, I have

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Speaker 3: my privilege as much as I can to disrupt what's happening.

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Speaker 3: And you can see that very blatantly in how they're

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Speaker 3: approaching the residents of the city. Where I happen to live.

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Speaker 3: I'm surrounded by public housing, and in these public housing units,

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Speaker 3: it's community, you know, like the old folks sit out

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Speaker 3: and all of that is gone. Then there are people,

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Speaker 3: you know, who are out there doing things that are

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Speaker 3: Trevor Noah writes this in his book Born a Crime.

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Speaker 3: And you know, this is something that I'm privileged to

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Speaker 3: be able to have this conversation with you all, because

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Speaker 3: there's a nuance that's lost in legacy media, and there

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Speaker 3: are certain rules, regulations and understanding to neighborhood politics. You know,

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Speaker 3: I want to say hood politics, but neighborhood politics, that

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Speaker 3: your intention is not always to break the law. So

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Speaker 3: if like, there's always a dude he's gone now I

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Speaker 3: don't know where he is, but he's in a wheelchair

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Speaker 3: and he sits behind my building and he sells Lucy's

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Speaker 3: And yes, technically he's breaking the law, but this man

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Speaker 3: doesn't deserve to be slammed to the ground. This is

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Speaker 3: how we lost Eric Gardner. He didn't deserve to be choked,

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Speaker 3: you know, So there are there is something about living

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Speaker 3: in a black city. You had on Coorra masters Berry

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Speaker 3: and I just am heartbroken at so many younger people

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Speaker 3: don't know Marion Barry anymore, but Mary and Barry was

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Speaker 3: he's protesting. He's joining the protesters and a police officer

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Speaker 3: hands on me. I just feel like, yes, you know,

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Speaker 3: his legacy has been reduced. But let me just offer

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Speaker 3: a little bit of information. Ty did such a great job.

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Speaker 3: The Trump administration has deployed the National Guard through the

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Speaker 3: end of September. As Ty said, this is only allowable

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Speaker 3: under section forty of the DC Home Rule Act with

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Speaker 3: Congressional seven forty forgive me for the DC Home Rule Act,

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Speaker 3: with of course, the approval of Congress. Nothing meets that standard.

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Speaker 3: He talked about crime being down, It's true. Crime is

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Speaker 3: down twenty six percent after a thirty five percent drop

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Speaker 3: in in twenty twenty four. Overall crime is down a

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Speaker 3: seven percent, and that's according to the Metropolitan PD. This

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Speaker 3: this for the people who are outside of DC who

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Speaker 3: are not as plugged in. Believe me, this is coming

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Speaker 3: soon to a city near you. He's threatened this to Chicago, Oakland, Baltimore.

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Speaker 3: DC does not have voting representation in Congress. We don't

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Speaker 3: even control our own National Guard, unlike Puerto Rico and

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Speaker 3: other territories. So the President is overriding the will of

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Speaker 3: an up close and personal peak of what that looks

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Speaker 3: like and what could be happening in your very neighborhood.

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Speaker 6: You know, I was playing.

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Speaker 5: You got your idea on your check?

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Speaker 7: Uh no, I live? Okay, Cool, it's a cigarette.

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Speaker 5: Did y'all get to call us up about right here? No,

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Speaker 5: So we're doing checks.

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Speaker 7: Keep everybody safe down here, right.

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Speaker 9: Have you ever you heard of the federal surge that

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump's putting out right?

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Speaker 5: You didn't?

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Speaker 9: You don't following three anything like that?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 9: So yeah, Trump's Trump's got a federally He's kind of

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Speaker 9: coming together for seven days and going out trying to

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Speaker 9: stop the violent crime. Quality of life offense is smoking

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Speaker 9: drinking in public, right, can't happen outside.

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Speaker 7: Right, most people know that.

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Speaker 5: So we're contacting people trying to advise.

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Speaker 8: Him to the wall.

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Speaker 2: On your eggs because when you walked up at the

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Speaker 2: moment you walked up on your eggs, get.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's smoke like the odor of marijuana front marijuana

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Speaker 10: in the air. Right, Just know, right, learn tea, tell

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Speaker 10: your boys, like yo, everybody's out from FBI to the police.

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Speaker 3: the future we'll talk about this more and how what's

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Speaker 3: happening in Africa impacts us. But it's a lot of corruption,

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Speaker 3: a lot of dictatorship, and I'm sad to say that

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Speaker 3: America is falling right in line with a lot of

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Speaker 3: what I've seen overseas and a lot of countries that

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Speaker 3: are that are are falling or leaving their their democratic process.

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Speaker 3: So thank you all for giving me the time to

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Speaker 3: talk about it. It's a lot more to say, but

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Speaker 3: I will reserve it when we have on an expert

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Speaker 3: and not somebody like me who just went to be

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Speaker 3: on ground to learn. But I do want to thank

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Speaker 3: the people for inviting me there for the genocost event,

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Speaker 3: which honored the people who I thought this was something

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Speaker 3: that happened decades ago, but the conflict and the murders

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Speaker 3: are still happening, So my sincerest thank you to the

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Speaker 3: organization that brought me there. I had the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: meet with the President and First Lady and it was

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Speaker 3: a very humbling, sad experience. But we'll talk more about

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Speaker 3: that later because I know we have exciting guests to

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Speaker 3: get to today to get into our next topic.

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Speaker 1: No, thank you so much tip for the share, for

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Speaker 1: the update, and for holding all of us accountable to

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Speaker 1: stay informed about these very critical issues. We can't talk

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Speaker 1: about war and genocide in one part of the country

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Speaker 1: and not talk about it on the continent.

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Speaker 3: That was the pokay, that was my frustration the angel

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Speaker 3: up because obviously what's happening in Gaza is heartbreaking. It's awful,

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Speaker 3: like children are being stopped, and the world, well, America

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Speaker 3: has been gripped by those images. And when it happens

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Speaker 3: in Africa year after year after year, largely due to

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Speaker 3: Americans meddling in politics and European countries raping and pillaging

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Speaker 3: the continent, we look at it like, well, those are

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Speaker 3: black babies in Africa, that's where it's supposed to happen.

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Speaker 3: Those black babies in Africa, though Africa as a country

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Speaker 3: and not a whole continent. But those black babies over there,

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Speaker 3: that's normalized, like that's how they're supposed to live. But

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Speaker 3: when it's somebody else that looks a little closer to white,

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to think. It's like when the Ukrainian War

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Speaker 3: took off. So those lives matter, those children. If we're

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Speaker 3: so concerned about sexual abuse and the Jeffrey Epstein List,

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Speaker 3: then let's be concerned about sex trafficking in Africa. Let's

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Speaker 3: be concerned about these children being mutilated. If we're concerned

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Speaker 3: about children starving, let's be concerned about the young people

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Speaker 3: in Congo who have nothing. So thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to go off on a whole tangent again,

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Speaker 3: but that's so true.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just if I could just say to thank you

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Speaker 4: for reminding us of how mineral rich the continent of Africa,

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Speaker 4: being the most resourceful of all the continents. And a

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Speaker 4: lot of times when I hear non people of color

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Speaker 4: talk about the continent, and they like to describe these

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Speaker 4: these fights of people of color against people of color,

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Speaker 4: and they completely underestimate our intelligence by by suggesting that

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Speaker 4: this is just some black on black crime or some sort,

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Speaker 4: when we know that it is the supply lines that

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Speaker 4: is fueling the rest of the world that you, largely

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Speaker 4: European nations are protecting and are aligned with. Many of

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Speaker 4: these groups have to protect that supply line, profiting from

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Speaker 4: it exactly those situations and so just thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: And we all we don't have to compare how terrible

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Speaker 4: these situations are, but we absolutely need to pay attention,

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Speaker 4: especially when it reflects us where we come from in

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Speaker 4: the richness of the land.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we are again so grateful. Tip for your

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Speaker 1: journey next time, take us with you and we will

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Speaker 1: definitely keep you all informed. We ourselves are going to

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Speaker 1: be accountable on these issues and make sure that we're

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Speaker 1: educating and learning at the same time. Here on Native

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Speaker 1: lampod As you all know, there is a hot topic

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Speaker 1: percolating all over the country. People thought it began in Texas.

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Speaker 1: It did not begin in Texas. Someone, are you Louisiana

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Speaker 1: somewhat argue North Carolina, But what we know now is

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Speaker 1: that it is far beyond the bounds of the state

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Speaker 1: lines of Texas joining us today though, are Congressman Mark Vezi,

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Speaker 1: who represents texas thirty third Congressional District. State Representative Jelanda Jones,

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Speaker 1: who was also a guest last week on My Solo pod,

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Speaker 1: representing Texas's one hundred and forty seventh State District legislative district,

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Speaker 1: and Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver the second. Some of them call

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Speaker 1: some people call him rev. I call him boss. He's

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Speaker 1: the CBC chair from when I was the executive director

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Speaker 1: of the CBC, but also now in the crosshairs. Don't collapse,

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Speaker 1: rup for this part. In the crosshairs for in the

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Speaker 1: redistricting battle in Missouri. He is the one district Loan

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Speaker 1: District that is protected or was at least by the

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Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act, and now they are targeting the Republicans

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Speaker 1: in Missouri are targeting Congressman Cleaver's district. So welcome to

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Speaker 1: our show. We say welcome home, y'all, and we thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Tim Or Andrew, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let you kick it off.

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Speaker 4: No, I actually have a shirt on Representative Jones that

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Speaker 4: I wore for you. It says move with faith not fear.

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Speaker 4: But Pastor and Congressman VC, it applies to all of you,

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Speaker 4: But we've been so hardened by you, Representative Jones and

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Speaker 4: your in the delegation from Texas for showing what active

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Speaker 4: and responsible resistance looks like. Your fight, I think is

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Speaker 4: powering so many of us around the country who are

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Speaker 4: confronting these issues as well. I know that this issue,

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Speaker 4: you know, confronts the country, the entire landscape, and right

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Speaker 4: now we may be looking at what I you know,

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Speaker 4: I believe is sort of the armoring up, or maybe

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Speaker 4: it is the ratcheting up between states as democratic states

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Speaker 4: start to respond to what some of these conservative states

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Speaker 4: are doing. I love if you all could kick it off,

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Speaker 4: beginning with you, a Representative Jones. We're telling us what

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Speaker 4: does the ground game look like if this actually does

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Speaker 4: become a ratcheted up situation of d versus our states

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Speaker 4: redistricting mid dissenial to basically confront and counteract what Republicans

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Speaker 4: are doing to change the rules of the game so

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Speaker 4: that they can cheat their way to re election.

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Speaker 8: So the ground game in this systance looks like each

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Speaker 8: state that's a democratic state going in and quite frankly

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Speaker 8: redistricting out Republicans because that's what they're doing with us

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Speaker 8: and it's surgically precise. They are literally finding where there

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Speaker 8: are concentrations of black and brown people which are organically

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Speaker 8: majority minority, and they are somehow trying to say that

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Speaker 8: it is a coalition district. And so the districts currently

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Speaker 8: weren't drawn because their coalition district. The districts were drawn

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Speaker 8: because black people and brown people are just living by

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Speaker 8: each other, and they somehow said that that's illegal. And

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Speaker 8: so now they are dividing us, they're cracking us, and

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Speaker 8: they're packing us in other districts that are majoritarily Anglo.

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Speaker 8: And so the only way Trump gets five seats is

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Speaker 8: if they go in with precision and divide up black

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Speaker 8: and brown neighborhoods as racist. And it's important we call

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Speaker 8: it what it is, and I see it as self defense.

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Speaker 8: I think Nancy Pelosi called itself. It's self defense for

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Speaker 8: the preservation of representation by black and brown people to

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Speaker 8: elect the representatives of their choice, plain and simple. And

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Speaker 8: so if you've been in a fight, you have to

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Speaker 8: use the tactics that your opponents are using. There's no

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Speaker 8: way they can expect for us to fight with both

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Speaker 8: hands behind our back when clearly Trump and the billionaire boys,

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Speaker 8: and those people literally don't respect the Constitution. They don't

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Speaker 8: respect historic districts in Houston. I know that Congressman VC

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Speaker 8: can probably explain to you how his stronghold is Tarrent County.

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Speaker 8: It's been in thirty three and they some kind of

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Speaker 8: way tried to carve out Tramp County out there to

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Speaker 8: make him weaker in his district. I'll let him talk

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Speaker 8: about that. And so it looks like guerrilla warfare, it

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Speaker 8: looks like hand to hand combat. It looks like we

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Speaker 8: need to stay where we are so that they can't

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Speaker 8: get a quorum. Because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: there's eighty eight Republicans in Texas in the House and

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Speaker 8: the Democrats and sixty two never beat sad eight. So

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Speaker 8: the only tactic that we have is to get ghosts

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Speaker 8: where they literally can't conduct business, which is what our

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Speaker 8: quorum break is. So that's what it is. It's living

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Speaker 8: in an uncomfortable state. This is not normal for me

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Speaker 8: to be hiding, for me to be Washington, who I

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Speaker 8: talk to on the phone, for me to stay in

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Speaker 8: my where if I'm staying, I'm not telling you that,

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Speaker 8: for me to be concerned that the FBI are hunting

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Speaker 8: us like we are criminals for something that's not criminal,

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Speaker 8: and it's not even federal, so none of this is normal.

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Speaker 8: But for us, it's necessary for us to just hold

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Speaker 8: the line and deny them a quorum because it's all

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Speaker 8: we have to do at a minimum, until California like

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Speaker 8: drops their maps or something so that we can see

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Speaker 8: your Texas. If you go forward, we're gonna do that too.

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Speaker 8: You think you're the biggest, like you're the badgest bullets

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Speaker 8: on the block where you ate, and that's that's what

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Speaker 8: it is.

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Speaker 1: That thank you so much for Fendarie.

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Speaker 3: That is the biggest coming out this week that governor

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Speaker 3: California Governor Gavin Newsom has said that he will draw

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Speaker 3: congressional maps that will end Trump's presidency, quoting him, he

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Speaker 3: has yet to offer any details on that, but certainly

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Speaker 3: the American public is waiting with baited breath. You kicked

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Speaker 3: it to Congressman Mark VC, so i'll pick up with you,

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Speaker 3: Congressman VC.

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Speaker 11: One.

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Speaker 3: I think for the people who may not understand the

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Speaker 3: seriousness of this, which I understand because we're blitzed every

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Speaker 3: day with fifteen things that are urgent, and we're asking

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Speaker 3: people to care about these fifteen things and to fight

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Speaker 3: these things. Right now, DC residents are worried about their

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Speaker 3: children getting to and from school safely. The same in Texas.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a fifteen year old student who

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Speaker 3: was disabled who was detained by Ice because of a

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Speaker 3: mistaken identity. So while we have all that going on,

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Speaker 3: we see our core democratic institutions eroding before our eyes.

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Speaker 3: And now, even though the redistricting issue has been in

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Speaker 3: the limelight for years, you know, predating the Trump administration,

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Speaker 3: why should people care? Like, what is the sense of urgency?

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Speaker 3: Make it plain for people that if you're sitting in

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Speaker 3: your apartment in New York City, or you're sitting in

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Speaker 3: Seattle or Chicago, what is the sense of urgency why

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Speaker 3: we should care about this issue.

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Speaker 12: I mean, there are so many reasons why you should

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Speaker 12: care about this issue, and the first one is that

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Speaker 12: to me, what's happening is Trump is clearly trying to

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Speaker 12: consolidate as much power as he possibly can. And this

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Speaker 12: is just another example. Whether you want to look at

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Speaker 12: what's going on at the Smithsonian, you know, him appointing

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Speaker 12: himself the head of the Kennedy Center, where he's going

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Speaker 12: to try to you know, be the czar of anything

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Speaker 12: out of the federal government that deals with the arts.

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Speaker 12: He's trying to consolidate as much power as he possibly

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Speaker 12: can uh, and he's going to continue to do this

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Speaker 12: with ice. He's going to continue to do this with

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Speaker 12: the firing and the federal workforce and these and these

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Speaker 12: doge layoffs. And I really do think that he is

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Speaker 12: trying to move us towards a place that we have

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Speaker 12: not seen when it comes to how the US government works.

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Speaker 12: This whole idea that he's going to take another census

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Speaker 12: in a couple of years would to me be the

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Speaker 12: beginning of him trying to put together a group of

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Speaker 12: legislators that are Republican and one hundred percent beholden to

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Speaker 12: him that would absolutely allow him to stay in office

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Speaker 12: if that's what he chooses to do on January sixth,

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty nine, where he absolutely could not be removed.

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Speaker 12: And so I think that we're in a very dangerous

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Speaker 12: situation right now, and what he's trying to do is

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Speaker 12: not healthy, is not helpful. I think for those of

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Speaker 12: us that have followed voting rights for a long time

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Speaker 12: that this could also be the end of the voting

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Speaker 12: rights Act. There's something that has not been talked a

655
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Speaker 12: lot about when it comes to the Texas Map and

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Speaker 12: one of the congressional districts that they dismantled Jelanda Jones

657
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Speaker 12: Neck of the Woods in Houston by Silvia Garcia. It

658
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Speaker 12: was a sixty three percent Hispanic voting age population district

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Speaker 12: and now it's been down to about forty four percent

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Speaker 12: Hispanic voting age population, and that is a clear violation

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Speaker 12: of the Voting Rights Act. If anything is over fifty percent,

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Speaker 12: it is supposed to be a protected district. And so

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Speaker 12: now that's been dismantled. My guess is that Texas is

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Speaker 12: trying to set themselves up to be and Greg Abbott

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Speaker 12: more specifically, is trying to set himself up to be

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Speaker 12: the person that took down the Voting Rights Act and

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Speaker 12: specifically took down Section two of the Voting Ranks action

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Speaker 12: that would have a huge impact not just on Texas

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Speaker 12: and congressional seats, but that would have a big impact

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Speaker 12: on state legislative seats, on county commissioner seats, on city

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Speaker 12: council seats, and it would really hurt the black community

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Speaker 12: probably more than anybody else.

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Speaker 3: Ierson can I just I want to last really quickly

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Speaker 3: because our viewers may not understand, you know, everything that

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Speaker 3: you said again because there we're flooded with so much information.

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Speaker 3: So one you talked about Donald Trump and the senses.

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Speaker 3: So just so our viewers know, Donald Trump has instructed

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Speaker 3: the Commerce Department, which is of course where the censes live,

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Speaker 3: to immediately begin working on a new sensus. And we

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Speaker 3: don't know what that means. Again, he says these things

681
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Speaker 3: and has offered no details on what might include that.

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Speaker 3: But the concern is who counts within that census, and

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Speaker 3: why that matters is because that can determine budgets, that

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Speaker 3: determines resources that come to your community. But what we're

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Speaker 3: talking about today, why that matters is because every ten

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Speaker 3: years after the census, states redraw the boundaries of congressional

687
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Speaker 3: and state legislative districts, which, if he has his say,

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Speaker 3: it will not be an honest account and it could

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Speaker 3: be redrawn in a way that is racist. Gerrymandering, sadly

690
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Speaker 3: is not illegal. Racist gerrymandering is, and so we have

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Speaker 3: seen in North Carolina. Andrew will correct me, Andrew and

692
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Speaker 3: Angela correct me if I'm wrong. But the court when

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Speaker 3: they were looking at North Carolina said it was done

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Speaker 3: with surgical precision to exclude voters of color. So you

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Speaker 3: have a process where you have politicians picking their voters,

696
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Speaker 3: not voters picking their choosing their politicians. So I just

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Speaker 3: wanted to give our viewers some context there.

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Speaker 1: And I know we want to make sure we get

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Speaker 1: some ample time to hear from you all.

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Speaker 7: Two.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Cleaver had a technical difficulty, but it's coming right back, okay.

702
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Speaker 1: I wanted to come back to you, Congressman BC, because

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Speaker 1: there's something very, very critical that we are kind of

704
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Speaker 1: not talking about proactively in the press, and you brought

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Speaker 1: it up about Sylvia Garcia's district. These are sinister acts

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Speaker 1: because the president is trying to figure out how to

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Speaker 1: get a majority, but not just politically. He's doing it

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Speaker 1: the same way that he removed the Martin Luther King

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Speaker 1: bust out of the Oval. He's doing it the same

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Speaker 1: way that they attacked DEI, which is diversity, equity, and

711
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Speaker 1: inclusion for those of you who are not following it

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Speaker 1: at home. He's doing it the same way that he

713
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Speaker 1: calls those of us who he decides to attack black

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Speaker 1: journalists low IQ. This is absolutely racist at its core.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about how this racist jerry manderin practice.

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Speaker 1: Because jerry mandering in and of itself is not bad.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that later. Redistricting in and of itself

718
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Speaker 1: is not bad every ten years. But why all of

719
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Speaker 1: a sudden, when he needs a majority of white supremacists

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Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives in state legislatures all over

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Speaker 1: the country, now you find yourself also in the cross

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Speaker 1: hairs of that. Why should people pay attention to this,

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Speaker 1: Why should they focus on this, and why should they

724
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Speaker 1: make it a priority given what Tip just said about

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Speaker 1: everything else that we have to carry.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, people should care about this for a lot

727
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Speaker 12: of different reasons. Let me give you an example. One

728
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Speaker 12: of the things that my Republican colleagues will absolutely not

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Speaker 12: do is that they will not when we have the

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Speaker 12: appropriations process, they will not ask for community funding project money.

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Speaker 5: They refuse to do it. And I just got a YMC.

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Speaker 12: Reopened in one of the black communities in Fort Worth

733
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Speaker 12: in my district, and the way the lines are withdrawn,

734
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Speaker 12: that district would now be represented by a member of

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Speaker 12: Congress in the North Texas delegation that's hardcore rural Republican,

736
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Speaker 12: and he would never ask for community funding project money

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Speaker 12: so that YMC could be open to serve low income families.

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Speaker 12: He just would not do it. And so all of

739
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Speaker 12: a sudden, if you can draw these districts in like

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Speaker 12: you said, sturgically remove us from areas and make it

741
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Speaker 12: to where our votes won't count, then you will have

742
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 12: a bunch of members of Congress representing our communities that

743
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Speaker 12: won't do things that we believe are important and bring

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Speaker 12: tax dollars back into our communities to help uplift our neighborhoods.

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Speaker 12: And just that alone could be something that I think

746
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Speaker 12: could have profound implications on our communities as well as

747
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Speaker 12: a continuation of people just being able to be five

748
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Speaker 12: from a lot from the federal workforce, and many people

749
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Speaker 12: that work at many different agencies are from the African

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Speaker 12: American community, and the list goes on and on and on,

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Speaker 12: and so people need to realize that it's not really

752
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Speaker 12: just about him trying to elect more Republican Congressmen. It's

753
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Speaker 12: about him trying to elect more congressmen that are going

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Speaker 12: to completely neglect the African American communities and put together

755
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Speaker 12: majorities in the House of Representatives that will not advance

756
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Speaker 12: legislation that is collectively in our best interest and it's

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Speaker 12: very real what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Andrew, I want to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: weigh in here too. But there's one thing that I

760
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: really want to say to Representative Jones and to all

761
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Speaker 1: of your colleagues. Thank you all for bringing a fight

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Speaker 1: that the nation could see themselves reflected in. I know

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Speaker 1: that some of your colleagues now are kind of wavering,

764
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out if they have the willpower, the desire,

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Speaker 1: the funds right to even stay out in this fight.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about what people can do at home

767
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Speaker 1: to encourage those who are wavering, who are worried about

768
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: their families, like legitimate issues, but who are worried about

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Speaker 1: how they continue this fight. What happens when the next

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Speaker 1: special session is called? Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 4: So let me say this.

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Speaker 5: Right here, right now, we will we are.

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Speaker 8: We can't tell you where we are right because we're

774
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 8: been hunted by the FBI. Let's be clear, for something

775
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 8: that's not even federal, and for something that's not even criminal.

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Speaker 8: I want you to let that sink in. We are resolute,

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00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 8: you know, and we are actually taking it one day

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Speaker 8: at a time. And here's why. Just yesterday the governor said,

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Speaker 8: because I think he's embarrassed that he hadn't been able

780
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Speaker 8: to force us to come back, and he hadn't been

781
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Speaker 8: able to find us that, oh, we're going to end

782
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Speaker 8: the special session on Friday. The special session was supposed

783
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Speaker 8: to end on Tuesday, you know, coming up. And so

784
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Speaker 8: now I won't believe the special session is in until

785
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 8: this officially ends, because it could actually be a way

786
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 8: to get us to come back, to capture us like

787
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 8: they get back in the Slavery days, to drag us

788
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 8: back to the plantation on the on the House floor.

789
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Speaker 8: So so we are resolute we ain't going nowhere.

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Speaker 5: We'll deal with the.

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Speaker 8: Second special session when he calls it. Now he's told

792
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Speaker 8: us he's gonna call it, and we know he's gonna

793
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 8: call it. We don't know if he's gonna call it immediately.

794
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 8: We don't know if he's gonna wait till Monday. We

795
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 8: just don't know. And so just continue to give us encouragement,

796
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Speaker 8: support us, support the TBC, the Texas Legislative Black Caucus.

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Speaker 8: That would be good for you to do, and so

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Speaker 8: and just keep talking about this, and you ask Congressman VC,

799
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 8: what should people other places feel like pay attention to

800
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 8: what's going on? Let me tell you why, because last

801
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 8: year in North Carolina, nobody knew what was going on.

802
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 8: Last year in North Carolina, they literally racially and illegally

803
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 8: and unconstitutionally jairmandered and they stole three seats. And right

804
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 8: now Donald Trump has a Congress with a three Republican

805
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 8: majority who rubber stamps all of his stuff. So you

806
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 8: wonder how what happened in North Carolina with something that

807
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 8: people didn't know about. So let me give us a

808
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 8: pat on the back that we let y'all know what

809
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 8: they're trying to do in Houston because we don't want

810
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 8: it to go under cover of darkness. And why you

811
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Speaker 8: think North Carolina might not have anything that affects you

812
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Speaker 8: or text us If he keeps the house in twenty

813
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Speaker 8: twenty six, we're going to have more of these bad policies.

814
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Speaker 8: So you know those eggs that used to cost six

815
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Speaker 8: dollars that now cost thirteen dollars, that's because they stole

816
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Speaker 8: them three seats in North Carolina. You know the Social

817
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Speaker 8: Security they're trying to take from us after we've paid

818
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 8: into it for our entire adult life. They trying to

819
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Speaker 8: take away our social security to give it to billionaires

820
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Speaker 8: for tax breaks. We earn that that's not a handout,

821
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Speaker 8: that's not welfare. You know how families are literally, us

822
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 8: citizens are literally being deported. They're coming up, covered up,

823
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 8: don't know who they are, don't even know if they

824
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 8: legitimate police, being shifted off the countries. That's because Trump

825
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 8: has a three Republican majority, so trust and believe. It

826
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Speaker 8: can get worse. And I think we've gotten comfortable, it

827
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Speaker 8: says a people, as black people in this country, because

828
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Speaker 8: we're so far removed from segregation, we don't realize how

829
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Speaker 8: we used to get lynch. We don't realize how we

830
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 8: used to have crosses burned in our yards. We don't

831
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Speaker 8: realize how we used to get assassinated. Martin Luther, King,

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Speaker 8: Malcolm X, metgr Evers, you name them in it till

833
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 8: who was a kid who ain't doing nothing wrong right,

834
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Speaker 8: We don't realize that it can be bad. We don't

835
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Speaker 8: realize that we had to go to separate schools. We

836
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 8: don't realize that we had to drink out of separate faucets.

837
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Speaker 8: We don't realize that stuff. You know why, because we're

838
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 8: taking it out of our books and we don't realize that,

839
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 8: and so we need to realize that it can get worse.

840
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 8: We used to have to pay poll taxes and it's

841
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 8: just been so far removed. And I really need for

842
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 8: black people to go back to the mentality that we

843
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 8: had during segregation, where we were it. We were get

844
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 8: each other, we were going to look out for each other.

845
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Speaker 8: We were going to make sure that we all were

846
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 8: supported and that we survived and that we thrived and

847
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 8: we didn't rely on other people. But my point is,

848
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 8: this is what they're trying to do. We just had

849
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 8: the sixtieth anniversary of the Voting Rights Act early either

850
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 8: earlier this week or last week, I can't remember the date,

851
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 8: and they trying to take us back to a time

852
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 8: when we didn't have the right to vote. And you know,

853
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 8: right now, there's not a lot We have twelve point

854
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 8: three three percent of the population in Texas black people do,

855
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 8: and most of us are concentrated in the Houston area

856
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 8: and the Dallas area, and so that's where the four

857
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 8: black congress people in Texas are elected, in Houston and Dallas.

858
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 8: And with this racist redistrict thing, They literally are potentially

859
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 8: putting Mark Nice against Jazz mcrockett. Why we can't have both,

860
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 8: Why they got to fight each other? Why does it

861
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 8: have to be a blood bath In Houston? We got

862
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 8: Al Green, you know, the one who shook his cane

863
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 8: at the State of Disillusion and said in Pete's Trump

864
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 8: and they escorted him out. Why has he been drawn

865
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Speaker 8: into CDA TE which is where Correnswiman, Jackson Lee and

866
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Speaker 8: Congressman Turner were. So they're literally going to wipe out

867
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Speaker 8: two black seats. And you've talked about Congresswoman Garcia. They've

868
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 8: literally diluted hers to where the Hispanics that they put

869
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 8: in her district don't vote as higher rate. And so

870
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 8: you think this can't affect you, It most certainly can,

871
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 8: and it will. And fool me once, Shame on you,

872
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 8: fool me twice. Shame on me. North Carolina was the

873
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 8: first fool And we know about it. Well now we know, no,

874
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 8: we have no reason to expect it. Trump is all

875
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 8: of a sudden going to respect black people or the

876
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 8: constitution of women, you name it. He doesn't respect anybody.

877
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 8: And so I'm asking you to please pay attention and

878
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 8: please hold us down because it is hard. We're away

879
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 8: from our families. I got a new baby, I miss her.

880
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 8: I'm my mother's caregiver, but my son and my sister

881
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 8: are taking care of our mother and grandmother because this

882
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 8: is something we just have to do for me. I

883
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 8: always thought if I live back in the day with

884
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 8: the Edmond Petterson Bridge and the Montgomery bus boycott, that

885
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 8: I would be there. So I know that I'll be there.

886
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 8: So just keep praying for us, keep fighting for us,

887
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 8: Encourage us, you know, because we literally are getting fined

888
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 8: five hundred dollars a day. Y'all. We make six hundred

889
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 8: dollars a month, right, and that's six hundred dollars a month,

890
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 8: which is seventy two hundred dollars a year. That's six

891
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 8: hundred dollars a month goes to pay for my retirement.

892
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 8: So my pension goes to pay for my health insurance.

893
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 8: And I also take out my dues because I'm a member,

894
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 8: a duced member of the Texas State Employees Union. And

895
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 8: six hundred dollars a month is not a lot of money.

896
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 8: Who can live off of that? And now they're threatening

897
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 8: to cut our budgets and they're saying we've abandoned our duties.

898
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 8: We have not abandoned our duties. I'm a district office

899
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 8: that's open right now. When my constituents had issues with

900
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 8: getting their medicaid or their Medicare, or they have problems

901
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 8: with their relatives who are who are incarcerated, or they

902
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 8: can't get Section eight housing, my office helps them.

903
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 5: That's what we do.

904
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 8: Out they're cutting our budget by thirty percent, So I

905
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 8: will stop venting about why you need to care about

906
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 8: what happens in Texas because it is going to affect you.

907
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 8: And if Donald Trump is able to hold on to

908
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 8: the House by targeting minorities, black and brown people, I

909
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 8: don't even know how we recover. If we lose those

910
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 8: two black seats, we ain't gonna get them back. We're

911
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 8: gonna be stuck. So please support us. It's really important

912
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 8: and let us know you know how you feel about

913
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 8: what we're doing. And people are tired of for the

914
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 8: most part, they say Democrats don't fight.

915
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 5: Well we fight. We literally.

916
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 8: We have literally got California, New York, in Illinois to say, hey,

917
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 8: if you pull the trigger in Texas, Donald Trump, we

918
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 8: got something for you. We can do the same thing

919
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 8: where we're at so we need for democratic governors to

920
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 8: do that.

921
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Speaker 4: You're stiffening their spines. It's already been chuck full of information.

922
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: You don't want to miss the rest of our conversation

923
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Speaker 4: with these amazing elected representatives on redistricting. Stay tuned.

924
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Speaker 1: We have another fighter who's joined us, Andrew. I know

925
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: you probably have a question. Conversan Cleever, I.

926
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: Mean really great comments by everybody and a reverend Congressman Kleaver.

927
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 4: We early in the conversation, Representative Jones mentioned packing and

928
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: cracking and are those are terms of art as well

929
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: as as science, they have a meaning to them. Help

930
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 4: us understand, because I think this connection really has to

931
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 4: be made of the layperson might look at a map

932
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Speaker 4: and see someone draw a circle around it and say, well,

933
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 4: this is a district, and then go with adjacent to

934
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Speaker 4: it and draw another circle and say this is a district.

935
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 4: Tell us why it makes absolutely no sense or what

936
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 4: since you think it makes for communities of color, shared interests,

937
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 4: communities of shared interests. How it is that that is

938
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: the way in which don't take a layman's look at

939
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 4: these maps, understand what we have in common, and how

940
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: then we get drawn out of power and disempowered through

941
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: our vote. So when we hear cracking and packing these districts,

942
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: and I've seen it firsthand here in Florida where we've

943
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: lost now three CBC members out of the state of

944
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 4: Florida sets that were hard won by a consent decree

945
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 4: through the courts. So I've seen it happen. But talk

946
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: to us about what it means for black folks who

947
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: share common interests to be able to elect a representative

948
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: of their choice who will then go and advocate on

949
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 4: behalf of those shared in How does that show up

950
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 4: in this redistricting fight? Uh, the separation of our communities.

951
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 7: Well, well, we thank you very much for the question.

952
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 7: I apologize for.

953
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 11: But what we have in Missouri is dummy mandarin, uh

954
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 11: you know, and it is based on, uh, the pursuit

955
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 11: of pure power. Nothing legal uh should creep into the conversation,

956
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 11: is pure political power.

957
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 7: And what they would like to do is is gather

958
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 7: all the.

959
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 11: Minorities they can, all the African Americans into one little

960
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 11: area and UH say, well, did you get angry? We

961
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 11: we We've got thousands of black people right here piled

962
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 11: in together. And that's exactly the danger because What happens then,

963
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 11: is they take away any They will reduce and perhaps

964
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 11: even take away the opportunity for African Americans, along with

965
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 11: progressive whites, brown people to be in a district where

966
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 11: they would have a voice with the person if I'm

967
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 11: not if I'm not in the fifth district, or if

968
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 11: somebody with progressive values are not or is not in

969
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 11: that in that district. Here, the people here have no voice. Yeah,

970
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 11: they can go out and vote, they have no influence.

971
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 7: With the member.

972
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 11: They can go to a town hall meeting. That member

973
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 11: who was elected in a dumming Mandarin district is going

974
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 11: to end up.

975
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 7: Setting the.

976
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 11: Here's or her agenda, political agenda, the community they want

977
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 11: to be on.

978
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 7: In the most they take on actually a minority of

979
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 7: the people, uh you know, and.

980
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 11: We are in Missouri are particularly vulnerable to this because

981
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 11: you know, my district right now is maybe twenty five

982
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 11: percent African Americans. And you know, if you take my

983
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 11: twenty five percent and put it in a district where

984
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 11: where they have eighty percent already white voters, I am

985
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 11: now just going to Washington and uh and and renting

986
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 11: a room someplace.

987
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 7: Uh.

988
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 8: You know.

989
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 11: So we've got to have we and I know people

990
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 11: some African Americans here. We're having a meeting this afternoon

991
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 11: with all the state representatives. But I had even one

992
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 11: of them to say, well, if we get all of

993
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 11: the bad people in this district, we're going to be

994
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 11: more powerful.

995
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 7: No, we won't.

996
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 11: We're going to be important politically importent. H And so

997
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 11: we have a lot of educating to do with with

998
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 11: with people. And uh, you know, I just got off

999
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 11: the phone with Eric Holder uh to come and do

1000
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 11: this when we first got started, and uh uh he

1001
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 11: is preaching the same uh sermon if you will to

1002
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 11: to all of us who are in Injebarty that don't

1003
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 11: fall from for the okie doke.

1004
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 7: Uh you know, and start thinking.

1005
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 11: Well, you know, for example, I wanted to one of

1006
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 11: the state representation said well, well we got some large

1007
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 11: rumany black folks over in Reytown, Missouri, which is a

1008
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 11: suburb of kas City. Let's put them over in the

1009
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 11: Pith district too, you know. And and you know, on

1010
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 11: the on the surface it may sound good, there ain't

1011
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 11: no good in it. So we're in a situation where

1012
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 11: it's flight or fight, and we are choosing fight. And

1013
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 11: I think that has to be done all over the country.

1014
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 11: We're going to do it here in Missouri where people

1015
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 11: want to pick their voters instead of the voters picking

1016
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 11: their people. Right.

1017
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 8: Can I say this?

1018
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 12: And I want in Julyan to touch on this a

1019
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 12: little bit earlier, which I think is very important, and

1020
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 12: I want to you know, first of all, before I

1021
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 12: say this, I want to thank Gavin Newsom for doing

1022
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 12: the redraw because the biggest mistakes that Democrat made in

1023
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 12: two thousand and three when Tom Delay did did middicate

1024
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 12: decade redistricting and also misused federal resources. I don't know

1025
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 12: if y'all remember back in two thousand and three when

1026
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 12: when Oklahoma still had a Democratic governor and they were

1027
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 12: trying to do the mid decade redistricting, state legislators from

1028
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 12: Democrat from state Democratic state legislators from Texas went to Ardenore, Oklahoma,

1029
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 12: and no one knew where they were, and Tom Delayed

1030
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 12: used an F sixteen to find the tail number of

1031
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 12: the former Speaker of the House who flew his own plane.

1032
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 12: They literally used government resources the same way how they're

1033
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 12: misusing the FBI now. And when that happened, we didn't

1034
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 12: do anything back. We did nothing and had we done

1035
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 12: something back in two thousand and three, we wouldn't be

1036
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 12: where we are today, because when a bully hits you

1037
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 12: on the playground, you got to hit his ass back.

1038
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 5: And we didn't do that.

1039
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 12: And so now they're thinking that we're just going to

1040
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 12: roll over and take it, and we're not anymore.

1041
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: We're fighting back.

1042
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 12: But if they go to Missouri and then they're talking

1043
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 12: about going to Florida, we need to make sure that

1044
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 12: our governors are hitting back.

1045
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 5: And right now there are too many excuses.

1046
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 12: People are saying, well, I can't because of our state

1047
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 12: constitution says this, and that Florida has very strict.

1048
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 4: Rules after constitutional amendment, they have.

1049
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 12: Very strict rules in Florida. And I guarantee you I

1050
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 12: don't know what the makeup is of the Florida Supreme

1051
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 12: Court right now. Andrew can probably.

1052
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 4: Tell us all decide disappointees.

1053
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 12: I promise you, those Federalist Society judges in Florida are

1054
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 12: not going to go by the rules. So why the

1055
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 12: hell are we still talking about the damn rules? We

1056
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 12: need for Jersey, we need New York, we need for Colorado, Angela,

1057
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 12: your home state of Washington, we need for them to

1058
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 12: draw some long, skinny lines like they did in Texas,

1059
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 12: because no one in those cities need to be in

1060
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 12: a Kamala Harris eighty four percent district. And they need

1061
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 12: to put some of those Democrats in some of those

1062
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 12: heavily packed districts in blue states and draw those Republicans out.

1063
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 12: They need to draw their asses right out. And if

1064
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 12: we if we're going to sit back and talk about

1065
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 12: all the rule of law and and and you can't

1066
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 12: do that and the Constance, and when they are eliminating

1067
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 12: us and eliminating black seats.

1068
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 5: Then what in the hell are we even doing. We

1069
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 5: got to fight back. It's now or never.

1070
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. I know Mark is mad when

1071
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: he cuts it in front of Connerson.

1072
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 4: Clear.

1073
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: That's good Mark, That's important. This is one of these

1074
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: these moments where you have to call a thing a thing.

1075
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: I think it's really really important. Even though my state

1076
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: is not as diverse as it once was, there are

1077
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: populations where people of color need to still have their

1078
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: representatives and have a voice. We cannot lose sight of

1079
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: the importance of calling this thing what it is. It

1080
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: is racist. It is not just political. It may so

1081
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: happen to be that our politics generally swing left, but

1082
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: that does not make it just political. It is racist first,

1083
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: and we've got to lead with that. And I think

1084
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Speaker 1: that is so important. T If I saw you leaning in,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to tumble.

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Speaker 4: Ref Jones. Can I pick up what Tiffany didn't want to,

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Speaker 4: just to say, you all have stiffened the spines of

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Speaker 4: some of these frankly super blue state Democratic governors who

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Speaker 4: previously before I mean when you sat there with Kathy

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Speaker 4: Hochl and I heard the words coming from her mouth,

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Speaker 4: you know, love all the Democrats at all, but I

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Speaker 4: just wasn't expecting it. You all have, you all have

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Speaker 4: taken the wool off, and I'm just I'm curious to

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Speaker 4: know how much of this you can share of your

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Speaker 4: conversations with some of the more timid of democratic governors

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Speaker 4: who are not recognizing that they must meet this moment

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Speaker 4: with a threat of mutual destruction. So if you go there,

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Speaker 4: we all die, right, the system blows up on everybody.

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Speaker 8: It's a period victory, right. And it was interesting. One

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Speaker 8: of the reasons that I ended up saying what I

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Speaker 8: said with Governor Hoko that ended up going viral was

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Speaker 8: because one of the problems we have with our allies,

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Speaker 8: our allies who do not have melanin in them is

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Speaker 8: they don't want to say racist. They just don't want

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Speaker 8: to say it. And the truth is the Supreme Court

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Speaker 8: that's owned by Trump has said that political gerry mandarin

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Speaker 8: is legal, that if Republicans want to drive Democrats so

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Speaker 8: they can have more Republican seats, it's it's legal. So

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Speaker 8: if you lead with it's a political ger mandering, Repoltans

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Speaker 8: are trying to draw Democrats out, they can do that.

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Speaker 8: We have got to be smarter, and we need our

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Speaker 8: allies to call a thing a thing, call a spade

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Speaker 8: a spade, pull a race card when they're racist, and

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Speaker 8: they need to say it's racist gerrymandering. And at the

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Speaker 8: end of the day, what I've said and what I

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Speaker 8: said then was I need we need our white allies

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Speaker 8: to call it racist. Right, Black people vote at the

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Speaker 8: highest levels for Democrats, but we are the ones that

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Speaker 8: are the least protected by Democrats. I mean, we will

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Speaker 8: have white Democrats filibuster and pink shoes for however many

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Speaker 8: hours for a woman's right to their body. I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: need that same vigor and awareness to be brought to

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Speaker 8: racistly gairmandering out the right constitutional right of black and

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Speaker 8: brown people to elect a representative of their choice. And

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Speaker 8: to Congressman Cleaver's point, where you want somebody who is progressive,

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Speaker 8: let's just say progressive, and who's going to be able

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Speaker 8: to vote progressive things? If you Congressman bc U served

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Speaker 8: with Congressman Turner, and if he say nothing else, people

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Speaker 8: knew he was.

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Speaker 5: From the faux FO, which is Acre's Hokers Home Right.

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Speaker 8: So if you're not from Houston, Texas, you probably did

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Speaker 8: your research to figure out what is the faux fo?

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Speaker 8: What is Acres Holmes. When Congressional District eighteen came into

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 8: existence in nineteen seventy three, Acres Holmes has always been there.

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Speaker 8: Acres Homes, Independence Heights, and Acres Holmes came because the

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Speaker 8: homes were on Acres Right. And this is when black

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Speaker 8: people didn't even have land right. Independence Heights speaks for

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Speaker 8: itself is independent. Those were always in Congressional District aen

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Speaker 8: since nineteen seventy three when it was created. In this

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Speaker 8: new gerrymandered racist map, they have literally removed AGAs Home

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Speaker 8: from CD eighteen. They have removed Independence Heights from CD eighteen,

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Speaker 8: and put it in CD twenty nine with a latina, right,

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Speaker 8: So they basically we had a herd of black folks

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Speaker 8: who had common to share an interest, and we voted

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Speaker 8: our interests to get somebody elected. And let me tell

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Speaker 8: you who's who represented CD eighteen, Barbara Jordan, Mickey Leland,

1147
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Speaker 8: Craig Washington, Sheila Jackson, Lee, Sylvester Turner. How do you

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Speaker 8: take away AGAs Holmes and you basically separated them from

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Speaker 8: the Herbard. I mean, if you look at those Animal

1150
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 8: Kingdom shows, what happens when somebody gets separated from the herbit,

1151
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 8: they get eaten, right, that no one's there to protect them.

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Speaker 8: And so this is series. And what they're doing is

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Speaker 8: they're going and they and what they have to do

1154
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 8: in order to succeed is that they've got to go

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Speaker 8: to urban areas where we are concentrated. Because in Texas

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Speaker 8: wet from like racist towns. When we get older, the

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Speaker 8: first thing we do is go to the big city.

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Speaker 8: We go to Houston, we go to Dallas where we'll

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Speaker 8: see other people like us. Right, And so they've literally divided.

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Speaker 8: It's called it's a legal terminology cracked. They've cracked the

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Speaker 8: black community or cracked the Hispanic community and packed them

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Speaker 8: where they want them to go, to dilute, to dilute

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Speaker 8: minority power to go who they want. So this is

1164
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 8: serious as a heart attack. And again, if you learn

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Speaker 8: nothing from me, if you get nothing from me from this,

1166
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 8: is you. We've got to call a thing a thing.

1167
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Speaker 8: I'm a trial lawyer for thirty years. Here's what I do.

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01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 8: I prepare for my I prepare for my opposition. Right,

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01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 8: how would I get me and I do that if

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Speaker 8: I'm a Republican lawyer.

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Speaker 5: In this lawsuit that's going on.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna go find every Democrat who on TV said

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Speaker 8: that it was a powergraph or that Trump is trying

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01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 8: to hold on the power, or that Trump is trying

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01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 8: to get five seats. I'm gonna go and they gonna

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 8: be on the witness stand and I'm gonna say, aren't

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Speaker 8: you Andrew Gillum And you're gonna say, yes, ma'am, ma'am,

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Speaker 8: And have you been not an advocate to preserve to

1179
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 8: get rid of these this Jerrymander And you're gonna say, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: I have.

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 8: And did you not say was this on you on TV?

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Speaker 8: On CNN on this day you're gonna say, yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 8: and did you not say that this political jerimander And

1184
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 8: you're gonna say yes, ma'am, I did because it is.

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Speaker 8: And I'm gonna say, so it ain't racist, right, and

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Speaker 8: you will say, well, yes it is, and they say

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Speaker 8: the thing what you say, so you lined in or

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Speaker 8: you line now. And every time our allies do not

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Speaker 8: have the courage to say that it's racist, you are

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Speaker 8: putting a nail in the coffin of black and brown

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Speaker 8: people to elect representatives of their choice, because that's exactly

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Speaker 8: what they're going to show. And under Chief Justice Roberts,

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Speaker 8: political jer man is okay.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And I want to Congress mc clevean.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to you because this is a good time

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Speaker 1: for the benediction. I know congressm and VC has a

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Speaker 1: hard out and once, uh in twenty twelve at the DNC,

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Speaker 1: you told us to march on, boss, so I need

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Speaker 1: you to close this out bring us home. As Andrew

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Speaker 1: would say, well.

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Speaker 7: First of all, thank you. What you guys are doing

1202
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 7: is the Lord's work, and uh, thank you. We're fighting.

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Speaker 11: I mean, this is a brazen effort to reduce the

1204
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 11: voices of our people, and we've got to resist, uh

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01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 11: you know. And so this this is a dark moment

1206
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 11: for our country and for our people. But we you know,

1207
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 11: there is no law against fighting in the dark. So

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01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 11: uh you know, I think this is time for us

1209
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 11: to punch for sunshine our darkness. And I had to

1210
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 11: say to some people earlier today, when we're doing what

1211
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 11: we're doing, it's not the hyperbird pabolic rantings of a

1212
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 11: member of Congress trying to hold on to a threatened

1213
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 11: house seat. This is about falling back into the moments

1214
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 11: of our parents and grandparents, of their grandparents who brought

1215
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Speaker 11: us this fall. And we've got to hold on to

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 11: the light right now so that when I when, when

1217
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 11: when our children and their children, if the light is

1218
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 11: still on, so we still have some light.

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01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 7: We have to hold on to the light no matter what.

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Speaker 8: Uh you know.

1221
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Speaker 11: Uh, my grandfather used to love to tell people about

1222
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 11: down and walks at you. He uh he said, well

1223
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 11: you probably don't want well yeah, uh, Visa knows what

1224
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 11: walk settes. But uh uh you know he said that

1225
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 11: the man took his son to the town. Uh and

1226
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 11: uh he told his sons that you stand here on

1227
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 11: the corner and I'm gonna uh, I'm gonna be back shortly.

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01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 11: And if I don't make it through to night, you

1230
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 11: got my little flash light here, so you use it.

1231
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 11: And so some people came by and a little boy,

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01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 11: you know, away from the humane community.

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Speaker 7: We are humane. We want you to have a homie

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01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 7: stand over here on the corner. You follow us. I said, no, no, no,

1235
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 7: I can't go. I can't go. Why can't you go?

1236
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 7: My daddy told me the way there.

1237
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 11: And so I said, all he's lost. He's gonna be

1239
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 11: one of those statistics. So a little while later, another

1240
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 11: group of people came by and said, look, you ny,

1241
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 11: we're gonna take you down to the restaurant and buy

1242
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 11: you some dinner and you can come back and down

1243
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 11: in the corner.

1244
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 7: Whatever you want to do. We just we'll we'll do goodness.

1245
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 7: We want to help you eating. So I thank you

1246
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 7: very much.

1247
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 11: My daddy told me to stay here and then started raining.

1248
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 11: People said, little boy, get out of the rain, get

1249
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 11: out the right and now I'm gonna stay with My

1250
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 11: daddy told me to stay no matter what. So when

1251
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 11: a jaddy showed up later, it doesn't how to go

1252
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 11: son and said, well, you know, started raining, as you

1253
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 11: know it's done in the light, and I got scared,

1254
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 11: but I remember that you told me to.

1255
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 7: Hold on to the light.

1256
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 11: And then I stood up and some women came by

1257
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 11: and they wanted to take me and try to fix me. Said,

1258
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 11: but I didn't go with them because you wanted me

1259
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 11: to hold on to the light. Well, there are a

1260
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 11: lot of things going to come our way, of people

1261
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,919
Speaker 11: trying to say, you know this is crazy, just surrender.

1262
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 11: We gotta tell we're gonna hold on to the light

1263
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 11: no matter what happens.

1264
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Speaker 5: We're gonna hold on.

1265
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 7: To the light, not just for us, but for generations

1266
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 7: not even torn.

1267
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Speaker 11: We want them to know that there were some people,

1268
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 11: some African Americans as we went into the twenty twenties,

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 11: who decided they were.

1270
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Speaker 7: Gonna hold on to the light. And then it is

1271
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 7: because they held onto the light, we still have a life.

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Speaker 4: That's all right. That's all right. And Congressman and future

1273
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 4: Congresswoman Angela, I know you're gonna wrap this section, but

1274
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Speaker 4: I just have one piece of advice, which is simple,

1275
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 4: which is I don't know if it's gonna be you

1276
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 4: congressmen and pastic cleverer, or if it's going to be you,

1277
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 4: Representative Jones. But we need a convening of the Democratic

1278
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 4: leaders of Houses and representatives and all of the states,

1279
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 4: and or speakers or speaker designates in all the states,

1280
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 4: because I don't want to turn on the television and

1281
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 4: see Democrats and negotiating against themselves to hand over power

1282
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 4: to Republicans, because we want to choose the higher ground

1283
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 4: or the higher civil democracy ground, because we've already seen

1284
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 4: where that leads us. You don't take a spoon to

1285
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 4: the gunfight. You've already said it. But conversation can't be

1286
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 4: had in public. It needs to be had, it needs

1287
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 4: to be the fight needs to take place there. So

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 4: the game playan is we have to do what is

1289
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 4: required in this moment to win.

1290
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 8: And I just want to make sure that whenever we

1291
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 8: have this convening, as you said, we need to make

1292
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 8: sure that we have black representation at the table.

1293
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have to that's all.

1294
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: That's all I want to talk to. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to the black legislators, the black elected officials at

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Speaker 1: every level. I've been looking at Congressman William Lacy Clay's

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Speaker 1: book Just Permanent Interest, just to get inspiration for this moment.

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Speaker 1: They had a black elected officials convening before they even

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Speaker 1: did Gary in nineteen seventy two with the National Black

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Speaker 1: Political Convention. So we are way past time. We are

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Speaker 1: over time, not just for this podcast, but also for

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Speaker 1: this meeting. So Andrew, I appreciate you saying that State

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Speaker 1: Representative Julanda Jones always a pleasure, Thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, representative.

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Speaker 1: And that's what's is absolutely and as it always is,

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Speaker 1: the black woman held it now, she stayed the August tip.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening.

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Speaker 4: I love it. They were great, and Angela, your point

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Speaker 4: is is that, yeah, we do need a black meeting.

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Speaker 4: What I'm terrified of is the Democratic Republican in Colorado,

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Speaker 4: Democratic governor in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Who may Democratic republics all.

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Speaker 4: I want to say, and I don't know what his

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Speaker 4: position is, but I don't want to see them doing

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Speaker 4: these interviews where these interviewers put them in the position.

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Speaker 4: Will they say, isn't it the right thing for democracy

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Speaker 4: to independent redistricting?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 4: When rules are fair, yes, but when they're cheating, when

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Speaker 4: they're cheating, we have to level the field. And I'm

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Speaker 4: terribly afraid that we're going to have too many of

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Speaker 4: our folks not willing to jump when the time comes,

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Speaker 4: and so they got to get it together, and they

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Speaker 4: need to do it behind closed doors.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's just it, you know. And I think

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Speaker 1: I was telling y'all this earlier. TI if I want

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Speaker 1: a hushk, I do want to hear your perspectives on

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Speaker 1: this too. When we were in Tunica this weekend, Congressman Thompson,

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Speaker 1: I actually handed him to. Mike Joy and I were

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Speaker 1: doing this fireside chat and we were talking about the

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Speaker 1: Freedom to Vote Act, where members were pushing for these

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Speaker 1: independent commissions. And these independent commissions work when people are

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Speaker 1: in integrity. They do not work when you're playing with

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Speaker 1: people who don't play by the same rule book or anything.

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Speaker 1: So Congressman Thompson was one of the only Democrats to

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Speaker 1: vote against this bill. Nancy Pelosi was on his head,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? Why are you voting against this?

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Speaker 8: He said, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't will leave in these independent commissions. I want to

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Speaker 1: be right. I don't want to be fair. We're not

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Speaker 1: playing with people who want to be fair. And he

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Speaker 1: ended up being the property always is too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I to be honest, we've talked on this

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Speaker 3: podcast a few times about what does a twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: eight look like?

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Speaker 1: And I think this is a preview for it.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to them talk and I think this

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Speaker 3: is one tiny area that casts a wide net of influence,

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Speaker 3: but it's one tiny area where we can fight, where

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Speaker 3: we need to make our voices heard. I think we're

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Speaker 3: just looking at this is how they plan to cheat,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is how this will impact midst our elections.

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Speaker 3: This is going to impact the presidential elections.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's happening before our eyes. And it again feels like

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Speaker 3: we're being flooded because they're flooding the zone. Everything is

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Speaker 3: happening before our eyes. We are turning into a police

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Speaker 3: state before our eyes. Like literally out outside the window

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Speaker 3: where I'm looking at it's you know, DC has thirty

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Speaker 3: plus different law enforcement agencies here. This is going to

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Speaker 3: take place all across city. So it was nice to hear,

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Speaker 3: particularly Saint Rep. Jones, she's been coloring the airwaves and

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Speaker 3: you know with her fire and this is We talked

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Speaker 3: about how we came to know congress Woman Jasmine Crockett

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Speaker 3: because she too fled the state of Texas during a

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Speaker 3: crucial vote and people fell in love with her on air. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's just nice to see us fighting somewhere.

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Speaker 12: I am.

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Speaker 3: Cautiously optimistic about what tangible impact this will have. I

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Speaker 3: also appreciate her point about allies refusing to say the

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Speaker 3: word racist, because to me, that makes you less of

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Speaker 3: an ally. And I've given this example before, but it's

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Speaker 3: like if you're at the airport and some you know,

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Speaker 3: white man comes up to you and he's like, excuse me, ma'am,

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Speaker 3: you need to get out of line. This is for

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Speaker 3: first class passengers only, and you they're like, well you

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Speaker 3: because I am in first class, and this whole you

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Speaker 3: know thing as symbols. And then when it's all over,

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Speaker 3: all the good hearted white folks come up to you like,

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Speaker 3: I just want to say, that was completely inappropriate and

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Speaker 3: we do not support that. I don't need that right now.

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Speaker 3: What I needed is for you, in the moment to

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Speaker 3: come up and say, wait a second, you will not

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Speaker 3: speak to this woman that way. That is not appropriate.

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Speaker 1: That is allyship.

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Speaker 3: The other one is an effort to make you feel

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Speaker 3: good about yourself. But the ally jumps in the fight

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Speaker 3: when the fight is happening, and cause of a thing

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Speaker 3: so I really like that that she called that out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, well, right after this, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: to CTA's because you know, we have cost to action.

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Speaker 1: Would you all like to talk about on the mini pie?

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Speaker 3: I have a story I would like to tell on

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Speaker 3: the mini pie, but I kind of want y'all's opinion.

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Speaker 3: But I told y'all a story before. But when when

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Speaker 3: she talks about that thing, I said, I want to

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Speaker 3: tell the story that I told y'all briefly before about

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Speaker 3: potential violence with some of these people. I told y'all, don't.

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Speaker 4: Remember none of you or you're just making sure it's

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 4: not to be born.

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Speaker 1: And not too boring. I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: I just I just I just feel like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe and maybe this is me being the political nerd.

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01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: I just feel so drawn to this redistricting peace tip

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01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: because there are these these these fights that are going

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: to be waged on us, and I you know, my

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01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 1: math isn't great, but I just want to see how

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01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: the math is going to math. Like if Florida is

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: talking about taking more seats, Florida is twenty of the

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01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: twenty eight seats right now in Congress are Republican in Florida.

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Speaker 1: They're talking about Nebraska, now Missouri. Of course, we just

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01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 1: had mister Cleever on Andre and Indiana. You know, South Carolina,

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01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: they're threatening mister Clybird's seat. You know when they were

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01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: trying to draw another black districy not that long ago, Ohio, Texas, Louisiana,

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01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know what's going to happen with Alabama.

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01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: Shamari just got there, So you want to I'm like, still,

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01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: I meant it, But I believe in a democracy.

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Speaker 4: So I want to about the math. I want to

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01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 4: talk about how we survive mutual annihilation. But yeah, I

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01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 4: think I think what she's saying will carry us there.

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Speaker 1: I also want to talk about when is Eric Holder

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Speaker 1: coming on, because I want him to defend these independent commissions.

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Speaker 4: I think we can be for them and still set

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01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 4: it aside right now, which is why we should have

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01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 4: that conversation.

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Speaker 3: I think there's some daylight between you guys on that. Okay,

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01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 3: So on the Mini I will tell a story when

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01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 3: I almost literally came to blows with this white woman.

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Speaker 3: I will tell that story. Yes, I will tell that

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: story on the mini pod, okay, And that will leave

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 3: us the fight of us coming to blows.

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Speaker 4: Don't get what.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I would like to de arrest you.

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely want to de escalate the matter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, well let's do our calls to action.

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01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that's important because I was definitely just about

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Speaker 1: to close out the show. But yes, we should do call.

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Speaker 4: Uh, y'all could be prayed up. My two first children

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01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 4: are now middle schoolers as of this week. Uh so

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01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 4: uh praying up all the families who are dealing with

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01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 4: them the return to school, Thank you Jesus. But also,

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 4: you know, growing kids who who think they've grown and

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01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 4: ain't grown. You know that.

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 3: Well, congratulations for surviving this far Andrew. It reminds me

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01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: of the episode of The Cosby Show where it's the

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01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 3: first day back to school and Ruby packed her own lunch.

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Speaker 1: So congrats.

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 4: That's exciting.

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01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: Though in the time.

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 3: All the parents days days are long and the years

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01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 3: a short.

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01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 4: Juggling, so this time is gonna go by absolutely.

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01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a believe it back to school already?

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,879
Speaker 3: Speaking of my goodness, I guess.

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01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: So, TIV, what's your CTA?

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01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 3: My call to action is to survive these encounters with

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01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 3: law enforcement I'm struck by what I'm seeing across the

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01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 3: streets of DC. And I know, we know, we collectively

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01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 3: know right now with certainty, that these interactions will continue

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01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 3: to expand he's already said he's coming to Chicago, Baltimore,

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01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 3: Oakland and other cities, particularly those were black mayors. So

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01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: it's fine for us to protest, it's fine for us

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01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 3: to not yield to authoritarianism, but please survive, know your rights,

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01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 3: and survive the encounter. Because I don't want any of

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01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 3: y'all to be a hashtag. I don't want us showing

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01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 3: pictures or bodycam footage of somebody whose anger got the

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01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 3: better of them. We have to be smart and strategic

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01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 3: with how we confront authoritarianism is particularly when it comes

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: to people who are armed and have been given immunity

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Speaker 3: to do whatever they want to to you. We got

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Speaker 3: to be smart about that.

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 5: Son'll survive.

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: Please survive. We need you to. My call to action

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01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: is actually I need you all to toorn your neighbor

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01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: and say fifty dollars well, thank you for your participation.

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01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: We are giving away a fifty dollars gift card to

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01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: some lucky winner for those of you who agree to

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Speaker 1: take our survey. We have an audience survey that you

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Speaker 1: all have seen a great promo from tip about online

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Speaker 1: if you follow us on Instagram. We also have a

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Speaker 1: clip of it up on our YouTube and it is

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01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: in our podcast as a promo. We want you to

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: weigh in. Tell us what you like about the show,

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01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: give us your feedback. We definitely want to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: You can check out the link in this episode's description.

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Speaker 1: And I really want to just say, you know, the

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Speaker 1: loonies might have said they got five on it. We

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Speaker 1: got fifty on it, so we've been beaten the loonies

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Speaker 1: up here right and a poster right, Oh yes, and

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Speaker 1: it's consolation prize for those of you who don't get

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Speaker 1: the f fifty dollars is a sign poster from us.

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Speaker 1: Some of you are all excited about it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why, but we're gratefuls And as always, we want

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Speaker 1: four hundred and forty six days until the midtermination one

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Speaker 2: Say thank you for joining the Native's attention to what

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Speaker 4: To all of the Natives, We thank you.

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