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Now here's a highlight from Coast 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeart Radio. Now, of course you've 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: written a book called The Nightmare Encyclopedia. Tell me about that. 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: What what made you study nightmares? Well, it started as dreams. 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: I was interested in dream work, and uh, you know, 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: we all dream and we all get into these kinds 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: of things. And I think there's a lot you can 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: learn about yourself through your own dreams. And I think 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the very best dream interpreter in the whole world is you, 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: the person who had the dream. You are best suited 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: to interpret your own dreams. So, starting that down that road, 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: I then started thinking about like, well, you know, dreams 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: are great, but one are the ones we really remember. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: So you know, so often by the time you eat breakfast, 24 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: you've forgotten most of your dreams from the night before. 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: But those nightmares stick with us, don't they. And so 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: to me, a dream is a message from yourself to yourself. 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: You're communicating deep inside and it's a message of some kind, 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: and the brain communicates with with imagery. When but a nightmare, 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: that's a really important message. What is it? What is 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: it telling you though? When you when someone has a nightmare? 31 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: Is there an outside source contributing to this or is 32 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: it your brain trying to warn you about something. I 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: think both are correct, and it depends how far down 34 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: the rabbit hole we have time to get in the 35 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: next hour or so. But in some cases, it's a 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: it's an issue nagging at yourself, and it can be 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: that simple. It's just a you know, you're you're having 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: some issue in your personal life, maybe with your health, 39 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: maybe with your work. Whatever it is, it's nagging at 40 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: you and it's getting to the point where your your 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: subconscious is trying to get your attention with a nightmare. However, 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: I also believe we are in a very prone state 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: when we sleep, and we are susceptible to things like 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: possible visitations, sometimes good visitations from loved ones and so on, 45 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: sometimes bad ones. And those go back centuries stories of 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: those attacks of the incubus and the succubus, and of 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: course the old Hag syndrome, which is what got me 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: into nightmares in the first place. The idea that you 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: can be asleep and then suddenly wake up completely paralyzed 50 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: and and feeling some sort of dark mass moving towards you, 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 1: complete panic, and some sort of feeling like it's a 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: spectral attack, and then hopefully that event lasts just a 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: couple of seconds. For some people I've heard it can 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: last twenty minutes up to a half hour, and then 55 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: it's over. Very frightening, but also explainable to a degree, 56 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: and that's what I love about it. And also, considering 57 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: we all sleep every single night and many of us 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: have dreams, we still don't fully understand why we have 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: to do that, why we have to sleep, why we dream. 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: It's not completely understood. It's still a mystery. We do 61 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: know if you go long enough without it, you'll you'll 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: break down. And you'll eventually die. But we know that 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: something is going on while we're doing that. Why why 64 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: do we seem, Jeffrey to remember the nightmares but not 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people remember their general dreams. That's because 66 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: it's speaking to a more primal part of us. Fear 67 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: is so powerful, George, it's so it's tied to our 68 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: long term memory. I remember when I was I was 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: in high school, and I had a very vivid nightmare 70 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: about being on an airplane. To this day, and this 71 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: is a long time ago, I'm no spring Chicken anymore. 72 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: I remember where I was sitting in the plane. It 73 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: was on the left side aisle seat, a little about 74 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: halfway back over the wing. I remember all the people 75 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: sitting around me. I remember the flight attendant, and I 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: remember being in the air above the clouds, and suddenly 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: the plane shook. It went dark, and we were doing 78 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: a nose dive down through the clouds, and it was 79 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: and then the next thing I knew, I was on 80 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: the ground and I was now witnessing the crash from 81 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: the outside as the plane just plummets into a fiery fireball, 82 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: and I woke up. I was terrible. I was so 83 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: scared and I said, I will, I'm never going to 84 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: fly again. That's what I said, that I will. I 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: thought it was some kind of message. That's exactly what 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: I thought, and I said, I will never fly in 87 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: an airplane again. And if we can fast forward, I've 88 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: been on many airplanes all year long and for years, 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: though I held true to that, I would say for 90 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: maybe six years or so, I didn't get on an airplane. 91 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: I was too scared. And then I started my professional life. 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: I started working, and I realized, boys, there's some really 93 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: cool places far away, and I don't want to walk there. 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: And I made a deal with myself. I said, okay, 95 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: this was so vivid. I still remember everybody. If I 96 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: get on an airplane, when I'm still safely on the ground, 97 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: if I recognize people from my dream, no question. I 98 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: get up and I walk off the plane, no questions asked. 99 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: If I ever see the people around me, if I'm 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: sitting in that seat, that's what I'm gonna do. And 101 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: that's the deal that I've stuck to ever since. And 102 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why I had that dream, but I 103 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: remember it all these years later because it was so frightening, 104 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: because it spoke to such a primal part being in 105 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: an airplane, as you know you're not in control, that 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: your fate is left to the pilot. Would that have 107 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: been a precognitive dream? Jeff God, I hope not. I 108 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: hope not either. While you've got off the plane though 109 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: something I think I did. I I feel sorry for 110 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: the people who didn't. Yeah, And that's the thing. So 111 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: we remember these messages. We remember them because they could 112 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: be a warning to us. They could be something pre cognitive, 113 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: they could be uh, some message from someone or something, 114 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: and they could be just a nagging issue. And that's 115 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: what's so powerful about them. And I feel like, if 116 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: you want to understand yourself better, it's so easy. All 117 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: you need is a notebook and a pen. Leave it 118 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: next to your bedside and keep a journal. When you 119 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: wake up, write down what you remember, put the date, 120 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: and you might start to learn an awful lot about yourself. Yeah, 121 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: you probably can, Jeffrey Blore. Our special guest is websites 122 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: are linked up that the Coast to Coast dam dot com, 123 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: the Nightmare Encyclopedia, What has been for you one of 124 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: the most fascinating aspects of studying nightmares. Okay, so can 125 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: we talk a little more about old hag syndrome. Yeah, 126 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about that. That's that's a bizarre 127 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: thing too. And so I'm a guy that studies all 128 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: legends and stories, not just ghosts, not just monsters, not 129 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: just aliens, and that narrative is fascinating to me. So 130 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: you're in bed, you wake up, and you are paralyzed, 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: and then you see something coming towards you and you 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: can't move, and then the event is suddenly over. I've 133 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: talked to people that said that was an attempted abduction 134 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: by a gray end. This is a UFO experience, this 135 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: is an abduction. I've heard the same exact description by 136 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: someone who said I was attacked. This was a spectral 137 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: attack by an incubus as succubus or by some kind 138 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: of old hag, some kind of demonic attack while I 139 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: was in my sleep state. And I've heard skeptical people 140 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: say this is a hypnogogic hallucination combined with temporary sleep paralysis. 141 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, they're kind of 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: all right. When we sleep, every ninety minutes, we go 143 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: into a sleep cycle where our body is naturally paralyzed. 144 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: It's a normal part of the sleep cycle, because your 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: your brain is so active that you could be kicking 146 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: and flailing around. You could hurt yourself, you could hurt others. 147 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: So you do paralyze yourself. It's normal. Sometimes we wake 148 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: up in the middle of it. It's happened to me 149 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: where I've woken up and I said, I'm suddenly wide awake, 150 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: very conscious, I'm in my bedroom. I didn't see anything 151 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: coming towards me or anything like that, but I have 152 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: woken up in the middle of that sleep cycle, paralyzed, 153 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: and then it was just maybe three or four seconds 154 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: and I could move again. What happened was my brain 155 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: sent the signal to my body saying, hey, we're awake. 156 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: Time to time to turn the machine back on. So 157 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: that does happen to us. But for people who go 158 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: through it, especially repeatedly, they'll tell you this, No, this 159 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: is something bigger. This isn't just a synapse misfire in 160 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: my brain. If it was a one off, I could 161 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: sit I could say sure. But for some people they 162 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: are tormented by this. It goes on and on, and 163 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: it's a very frightening thing to go through. Um. And 164 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: so to me, how you interpret it is what really matters. 165 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: And now there's also a story that really got me 166 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: intrigued in it because in some cases this this event 167 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: may have killed people. And this was this goes back 168 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: to the nineteen seventies. The among people from Laos were 169 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: coming over to America because the Vietnam conflict and we 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: were in the laws and Cambodia was a mess, right, 171 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: and so people were trying to get out if they could. 172 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: And as these small people are coming to America, they're 173 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: trying to assimilate into this new culture, and so they're 174 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: losing some of their their old ways where they would uh, 175 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: they would make offerings to their ancestors because they believe 176 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: that this creature called the Taocho would come to you 177 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,119 Speaker 1: and attack you. Same description by the way, sleep paralysis, 178 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: wake up, paralyzed, dark mass coming towards you. That's the doucho. 179 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: It's got a name, it's it's a monster. And you 180 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: make offerings to your ancestors because they will fight this 181 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: thing for you. While as they're assimilating, they feel a 182 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: little silly doing their old rituals and so on. And 183 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: these young healthy men are dying in their sleep unexplained 184 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: and to the point where they even gave it a name, 185 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal death syndrome. The doctors saw fit to 186 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: label this, why are these otherwise healthy Asian men dying 187 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: in their sleep for no apparent reason? And all they 188 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: could come up with with folklore was that this taucho 189 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: was coming for them, that now that they're over here 190 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: and not honoring their ancestors and so on, this creature 191 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: is healing. And of course that was the story that 192 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: would go on to inspire the Great West Craven to 193 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: create Freddy Krueger. That's right. Was that tie in, wasn't there? 194 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: That was the impetus for him to say. And I mean, 195 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: what a great horror masterpiece, right, because the haunted house story. 196 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: As you're watching a haunted house movie, your story, you 197 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: can always say, well why not just leave the house? 198 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: Are you crazy? This place is scary, Just get out. 199 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: But you gotta sleep. It's eventually you're going to fall asleep. 200 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: And that's what makes that that character in that movie 201 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: so powerful. I love it. Listen to more Coast to 202 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: Coast AM every weeknight at one a m. Eastern and 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: go to Coast to Coast am dot com for more