1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by the 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: one and only Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: from our studios at Lambeufield, Wes. The draft is in 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: the books, The Rookie Mini Camp is in the books. 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: This week we have been hearing from It's sort of 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: the one off season opportunity to hear from the Packers 8 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: assistant coaches, the coordinators, and the position coaches. We heard 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: from offensive defensive coordinator Adam Stenovich Jeff Hafley on Monday. 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: We heard from the offensive assistance on Wednesday. Later today, 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: after we are done taping this show, we will hear 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: from the defensive assistance, and we may have more to 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about them next week because there are several new 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: faces in that box that we haven't gotten to know yet. 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: But I'll just toss that toss this out to you 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: as an open ended thing from the first couple of 17 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: days of assistant coach availability, any particular coach or message 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: or thought thread that stands out to you in terms 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: of what we've heard from those who are working with 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: the players here during offseason workouts. 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: Tom clements his address of the media, and I I 22 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: mean Tom is always a total professional and one of 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: the very best that there is when it comes to 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: coaching quarterbacks. But there's been something about this second run 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: he's had with Green Bay. I don't know if it's 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: just we're back to him coaching quarterbacks again. I didn't 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: cover him when he was Rogers quarterbacks coach. He was 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: already offensive coordinator at that point. But the way he 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: dives into it and makes it really digestible in what, 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: you know, kind of identifying not just the some open 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: ended platitudes about Jordan Love, but really going into why 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: he improved through the course of last season. And he 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: brought up that statistic Mike about you know, they go 34 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: back and look at this film in these cutups, and 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: they can bring break down the percentages of how many 36 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: times he rolls out, how many times he extends a play, 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: is he running, is he passing? Whears his eyes And 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: he said, you know, he used the ninety five percent 39 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: analogy that when he was breaking the pocket the first 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: half of the season, ninety five percent of the time 41 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: he was using his legs. But as the season went on, 42 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: they worked through some of the fundamentals of that he's 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: looking downfield more and creating more big plays for his receivers. 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: It's always going to be a balance, Certainly, somebody with 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: Love's athleticism and four to seven speed, you're going to 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: want to be able to use your legs. But when 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 2: you and I have broken down and looked at all 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 2: these things and talked so many times about the run 49 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: that Jordan Love got on in the second half of 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: the season, I think sometimes me personally, I won't speak 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: for you, but you lose sight of well, this is 52 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: a twenty five, twenty four into twenty five year old 53 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: quarterback who's also making week to week progress as well. 54 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought, and we heard this from coach 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Clements last year as well, when he was being asked 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: about Jordan Love and how are things going with how 57 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: he's running the offense and stuff. And Tom is always 58 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: very very intentional, very deliberate about talking about not just 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: the quarterback, even though that's the position he coaches, but 60 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: it's about the entire offense. And we heard from him 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: a lot last year and then again this week about 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: how it wasn't just about Jordan's progress that made the 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: offense go It was all of these young receivers and 64 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: tight ends, and there was the shuffling going on on 65 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: the offensive line and young players playing key spots on 66 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: the offensive line that needed to sort of get their 67 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: legs under them, and as you know, the route running 68 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: got crispered, the decisions on choice routes, the reading of coverages. 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's not just Jordan Love who's reading the coverages. 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: It's the guys running the routes who are reading the 71 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: coverages too. And that's you know, the cliches of you know, 72 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: guys getting on the same page, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: we hear those phrases a lot, and they are cliches, 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: but as I like to say, they're cliches because they're true. 75 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: They they really, they really do reflect what has to 76 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: go on out there for things to click. And I'm 77 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: with you. I enjoy listening to h I enjoy listening 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: to Tom Clements talk about how an entire offense works together. 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: And obviously he's been an offensive coordinator in this league 80 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: as well. He hasn't just been a quarterbacks coach, but 81 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: he's a darn good quarterbacks coach. And you get the 82 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: sense even though Tom has you know, he's got a 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: very dry sense of humor. He's always very business like 84 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: up there at the podium. But you get the sense 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: that even though as long as he has been in 86 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: this business, and he's sort of retired a couple of 87 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: times and come back, but with Jordan Love and these 88 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: young guys on offense, he seems to be having a 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: lot of fun. 90 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I don't want to ever put words into 91 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 2: Tom's well, but to me, if I was in his shoes, 92 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: you got to remember it. When he talks about what 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: happened at Arizona when he left, He's like, it wasn't 94 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: that I just told everybody I'm done. He's like, the 95 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: phone wasn't ringing. 96 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean. 97 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: I think the guy still got it. I think is 98 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: sort of the message that I that I get with him. 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: And I mentioned this to Mike Heller in a radio 100 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: interview I did earlier this week. I mean, people focus 101 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: so much on Aaron Rodgers in Jordan Love now, but 102 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: you got to remember, I mean, he was the first 103 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: quarterbacks coach to get his hands on Kyler Murray during 104 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: an offensive Rookie of the Year season, right with the Cardinals. 105 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's resume goes back so far. It 106 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's Aaron Rodgers or a Matt Flynn 107 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: or an offensive rookie of the year, just the guy 108 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 2: that's trying to make his way in the National Football 109 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: League and earn some paychecks as a backup quarterback. Clements's 110 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: job is to make sure that he prepares all these dudes. 111 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: So not only just having Jordan Love now, but now 112 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: he gets to work with Sean Clifford. Now they added 113 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: a rookie seventh round pick and Michael Pratt, and now 114 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: with Sean Mannon going into that room of you know, 115 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: a veteran quarterback that just recently hung up his cleats 116 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: and is now looking to get into the coaching realm. 117 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: These are all people that Clements can touch and can 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: help kind of pass along some of his wisdom. The 119 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: funniest moment Matt Schneidman from the Athletic mentioning to him, 120 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: you know you're seven years old. You could be on 121 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: a beach so with your feet up, and then Clements, 122 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: as you mentioned his dry sense of humor, right equipping back, well, 123 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: I can still have my feet up here too. I 124 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: don't know, it is a dry sense of humor. I 125 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: don't know if there's anyone funnier maybe in this building 126 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: pound for pound in Tom clements. He was an excellent lawyer. 127 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: He's a brilliant quarterbacks coach. I think the guy could 128 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: have been one heck of a comedian too, if you 129 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: wanted to go down that route, probably like a Mitch 130 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: Hedberg type. 131 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, pretty much. And the thing is, you know, 132 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: I've I've enjoyed getting to know him over the years. 133 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: I was I was, you know, I got here in 134 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, which is the same year that 135 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: he did as as Mike McCarthy's quarterbacks coach. And I've 136 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed getting to know him. And in looking looking back 137 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: and looking at his background, it's easy to forget, you know, 138 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: this guy isn't just a coach. He was a heck 139 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: of a quarterback in his own right. No, he did 140 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: not make it big in the NFL, but you're talking 141 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: about a former Notre Dame quarterback who nearly won a 142 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy and then one, multiple championships in the Canadian 143 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: Football League, multiple great Canada. He was a league he 144 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: was a league MVP in the CFL, this guy. He 145 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: knew how to play the game when he was playing it, 146 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: and he sure as heck knows how to coach it, 147 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: especially at that position. 148 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: Keep in mind too, if I may add, yeah, yes, 149 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: he had a really brief cup of coffee with Kansas 150 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: City in the National Football League, But when he was 151 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: kind of balling out in the CFL too, it wasn't 152 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: like what it is today with the NFL and the CFL. 153 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: I mean, the Packers had a first round pick that 154 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: I think went and played in the CFL, right, Clark, Yeah, 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: So like it wasn't like, oh he wanted to sit. 156 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: I mean the guy, the guy was a pretty darn 157 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: good quarterback on his own. 158 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. Absolutely. Well the other the other thing that 159 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: stood out to me, and actually I ended up writing 160 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: a story on this that was posted on our website 161 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, if you want to check it out on 162 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: Packers dot com. It was after hearing from offensive coordinator 163 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: Adam Stenovich and some other offensive assistants have followed up 164 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: on it, but just talking about and it's sort of 165 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: stemmed from some comments Matt Lafleur made after the draft 166 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: about where they are in the off season program with 167 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: the veterans and sort of building the offense, building the 168 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: playbook for twenty twenty four and just how different everything 169 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: is this year compared to a year ago, not only 170 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: because Jordan Love has a year under his belt and 171 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: they have, you know, nineteen games including playoffs of all 172 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: of the film of Jordan Love running the offense, seeing 173 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: what he does well, what he doesn't maybe do quite 174 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: so well. But it's about the offensive coaches knowing what 175 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: they have, Whereas a year ago it was like, Okay, 176 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: they knew they were going to have Christian Watson and 177 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Romeo Dobbs, and they were gonna have Aaron Jones and 178 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: aj Dillon in the backfield, but they didn't really know 179 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: much else because they hear, you know, after the draft. 180 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: Suddenly you bring in Jaden Reid and Dontavian Wicks and 181 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave and Tucker Craft and so then you're sort of, 182 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, getting a late start in piecing this all together. 183 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: And then of course, even when you get into the games, 184 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: you're still trying to figure out, what do these guys 185 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: do well, what should we be emphasizing to try to 186 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: put the players in the best position to make some 187 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: things happen. Out there, and so that was all part 188 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: of the evolution in twenty twenty three. Well, now they're 189 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: starting at a completely different point in twenty twenty four 190 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: in terms of building the offense, you know, the playbook 191 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and the adjustments because they know Wes that there's going 192 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: to be you know, the cat and mouse game with 193 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: regard to Jordan Love, and this Packers offense is going 194 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: to start in Week one in Brazil against the Philadelphia Eagles. 195 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Because all of the Packers' opponents now they're gonna be 196 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: They're gonna be studying the Dallas game, They're gonna be 197 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: studying that late game, late season game at Minnesota. They're 198 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: gonna be studying these games where the Packers offense looked, 199 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, like in a completely different place compared to 200 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: September and October. So you're gonna have to have the 201 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: counters to those punches that defenses are gonna throw at you. 202 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: And that's what the Packers' coaching staff is working on 203 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: now is to okay, what are the variations of the 204 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: different concepts. What can we can line up like this 205 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: and they're gonna think that we're running this, but we 206 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: can run something else out of it. Instead emphasizing our players' 207 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: strengths along the way. That's where this all is now 208 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: compared to a year ago when the offense was was 209 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: such a great unknown. 210 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: Because that's the other aspect of it too, And I 211 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: touched on this an Insider inbox earlier this week too. 212 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 2: If you recall, you know, how many times how much 213 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: ink did I personally spill on Okay, Well, there's a 214 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: lot of unknowns at receiver and tight end, but they 215 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: got ag Dillon, they got Aaron Jones. Well, the best 216 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: laid plans through the first month of the season, all 217 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: of that goes out of the window, and now suddenly 218 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: you have Christian Watson dealing with the hamstring injury. Romeo 219 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: Dobbs was injured at the beginning of training camp, although 220 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: he ended up getting through that okay, And it ends 221 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 2: up having to be a lot of young guys that 222 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: you were not expecting. So not only does this allow 223 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: those guys to take this offense in at a more 224 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: comfortable pace, it also opens the door to figure out, Okay, 225 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: now we saw briefly what bo Melton can do. What 226 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: could he potentially add to our offense. Is a more 227 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: consistent piece I don't would never say it's a positive 228 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: that Aaron Jones is not on this roster. But now 229 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: you have Josh Jacobs that's now an unknown for opponents. 230 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: How do the Packers plan to utilize Josh Jacobs. They're 231 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: talking about using a more as a pass catcher, maybe 232 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: getting him more involved in the red zone than he 233 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: was during this time with the Raiders in terms of 234 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: his pass catching ability. Those that explosion of offensive options 235 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: I think is gonna be what's ultimately gonna be Jordan 236 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: Love's best friend now in his second year as a starter, 237 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: because it's not just the packages and Okay, well we're 238 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: gonna go two tight ends here and we're gonna go 239 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: eleven personnel here, and no, it's about, okay, what are 240 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: the personnel within those packages? And that's depending on how 241 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: the Packers want to flip it and depending on if 242 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: guys are healthy. That's where things get really interesting. 243 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I go back to a phrase that that 244 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: always has stuck with me that we heard several times 245 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: when Mike Petton was the defensive coordinator here when he 246 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: talked about whether it was whether it was veteran players 247 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: who you know, are learning a new system or whether 248 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: it's rookies coming from the college game to the NFL 249 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: and making that whole adjustment that once you get through 250 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: the first year, then you you start you start getting 251 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: into you know what he what he always called the 252 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: graduate level details of a scheme, right that you know, 253 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: it's it's not freshman composition anymore. Like you know, you're 254 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: you're working towards that master's degree in the offense. And 255 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: what I liked about that is not only not only 256 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: was it a description of of the progression in terms 257 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: of in terms of you know, mentally grasping everything, but 258 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: it's still a reference to you know, you're always you're 259 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: always still in school, You're always learning. Nobody, you know, 260 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: nobody ever or ever necessarily gets completely out of that 261 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: except maybe in Aaron Rodgers after fifteen years as a story, 262 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: then he's writing his own course right exactly exactly. But 263 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: but what the Packers got to last year offensively, with 264 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: all of the playing time that these young guys got, 265 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: and not just the draft picks, but the guys like 266 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: Bo Melton that you mentioned, you know, getting in and 267 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: making a big impact late in the season, is they 268 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of young guys that progressed really 269 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: quickly through the undergrad stages and now at a young 270 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: age in the NFL, they're getting into some of the 271 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: graduate level details of what Matt le Fleur and this 272 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: offensive staff want to be able to do schematically, along 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: with the growth in the quarterback and being able to 274 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: put potentially even more on Jordan Love's plate in year 275 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: two as a starter compared to year one. 276 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: One of the other common themes throughout the offensive assistant 277 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: availability that really stuck out to me, and I believe 278 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: it was Jason Vrabel that was the first one to 279 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: broach this because a lot of questions have been asked about, Okay, 280 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: all these receivers are all in it together, but eventually 281 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 2: they're going to be competing for snaps, they're gonna be 282 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: competing for footballs, they're gonna be competing for money. But 283 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: as Rabel said, he's like, there is a phrase out 284 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: there about you know, my money touches your money. Yeah, 285 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: and I think that is where I look at this 286 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: offense too. Yeah, you want to see a thousand yard 287 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: receiver receiver, you want to see a ten touchdown tight end, 288 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: but it's about how does what Jaden Reid does how 289 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: can that compliment Christian Watson if he's healthy and on 290 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: the field. You know what Romeo Dobbs early in the season, 291 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: as Rabel said, you know, he had seven touchdowns early 292 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: in the season in the red zone. Teams were doubling 293 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: him and that created opportunities for others as well. For 294 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: as much as we saw last year there was points 295 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: where because of injury, Bo Melton needed to be the 296 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: go to option for this offense. Well, now if you 297 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: have more of those guys available, And again, we don't 298 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: live in a perfect world where no one's going to 299 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: be injured, but you would hope from the Packers' perspective, 300 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: it won't get to the dire straits that it did 301 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: at some points last season. And now we can see 302 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: Tucker Craft and Luke Musgrave out there together, We can 303 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: see all these different combinations of players sort of working together. 304 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: If that can be achieved within this offense, and the 305 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: unselfish nature of Jordan Love and the way they built 306 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: things last year, I felt like that was part of 307 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: the secret sauce. I know the leading receiver had seven 308 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety three yards or whatever it was, but 309 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: it was how many different guys were involved in this thing. 310 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: And then when you take on a team like the 311 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys who want to really send pressure and they 312 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: want to get in your face, well that's opening up 313 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: a lot of one on one opportunities for those type 314 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: of players to make their plays. Yeah. 315 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: And then and then in that playoff game in Dallas, 316 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: the big wild Card victory, we saw Romeo Dobbs have 317 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: the best game of his two year career. As productive 318 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: as he had been over the course of his first 319 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: two seasons, Romeo Dobbs had not had a one hundred 320 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: yard individual game as an NFL receiver until the Wildcard 321 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: playoff game over Dallas. And you still you get the 322 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: sense that as much as as much as that can 323 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: obviously help open things up for other guys, but a 324 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: game like that on that big stage could also be 325 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: a big springboard for a guy like Romeo Dobbs to 326 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: take his game to the next level as well. Because 327 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, and you know Romeo's Romeo 328 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: is a quiet, humble guy. He gets interviewed a lot 329 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: in the locker room, even though he may not necessarily 330 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: enjoy it all the time. But I've always gotten the 331 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: sense in talking to him. He doesn't necessarily like to 332 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: talk about himself, but I've always gotten the sense that 333 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: he's always felt, even when he's been productive, that he 334 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: could always potentially do more, that there's more out there 335 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: for him. Then when he goes out there on the 336 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: playoff stage and has a game like he had in Dallas, 337 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: you just wonder if a performance like that in that 338 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: kind of environment, with those kind of stakes in the 339 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: NFL for a young receiver in his career, what does 340 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: that mean in terms of a springboard later on? 341 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: The last thing I'll close on with this that impresses 342 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: me about this crew considering this isn't twenty fourteen anymore. 343 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: You don't have a dozen guys on the roster with 344 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: Super Bowl rings. The amount of urgency that young guys 345 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: on this team have showed that understand the opportunity before them. Now, 346 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: this was probably more a product of us talking to 347 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: Kenny Clark and some of the guys at the tailgate tour, 348 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: but you know, they understand that Brian Goudikuns kind of 349 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: hit it out of the park the last two drafts. 350 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: They knew that the way Matt Lafleur and this coaching 351 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: staff developed players that they were getting uncommon production from rookies, 352 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: first year, second year players. As that door opens, so 353 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: too does a massive opportunity to chase a championship. The 354 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: Packers are being careful. They don't want they want to 355 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: keep expectations down, you know, they don't want to They 356 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: don't want to make this thing bigger than it is. 357 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: But there is that opportunity there and for young guys 358 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: showing that maturity to understand, Okay, I'm going to play 359 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: ten years in the league. I'm gonna have five cracks 360 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: at a super Bowl. No, it's not like that. 361 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about what's. 362 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: In front of you right now, and if you can 363 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: capitalize on that opportunity. 364 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. It's an interesting 365 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: it's an interesting dichotomy in a sense in terms of 366 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: the front offices approach and the players approach, because Brian 367 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Gudakun's job and his personnel staff's job is to, you know, 368 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: as they say, with regard to a window with a 369 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: quarterback like Jordan Love, it's to keep the competitive window 370 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: open as long as possible. You want to have a 371 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: run of sustained success to get as many cracks at 372 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: the playoffs as you can for that year that maybe 373 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: it finally all comes together and you go and win 374 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: a championship. So there's that's the perspective from the personnel 375 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: side of things. The players themselves look at it as, yeah, 376 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity is right in front of us. It's all 377 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: about right now, you know. And and you know, the 378 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: personnel staff that is trying to build the roster, they 379 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: can't go out there and win the games. They can. 380 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: They do the best they can to put the most 381 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: competitive team on the field that they can. It's up 382 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: to the players, the guys to go out there and 383 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: win the games. And as you said, they sense the 384 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: opportunity that's here. As competitive as this this Packers team 385 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: can be, and as far as they got last year, 386 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: and as well as they were playing at the end 387 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: of the season, the opportunity is. The opportunity is definitely there. 388 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: And these guys, these guys aren't looking at it as oh, yeah, 389 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: like you know, we'll figure it out one of these years. 390 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: That's how That's not how the players. That's not how 391 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: the players operate. That's not their mindset. 392 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: The one thing too, I want to mention because Brian 393 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: has been so careful about saying. He's like, yeah, you know, 394 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: numbers a little higher than they usually are this time 395 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: of the year, and that isn't necessarily always a great thing. 396 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: But the way I look at it, too, is it 397 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: tells you two things. That the Packers had seventy one 398 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 2: players on the roster before they went into the draft. 399 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: It tells you that you felt confident enough in the 400 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: players that were in house to let the players that 401 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: left go. And it also tells you that these guys 402 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 2: who have been around here have been making the football 403 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: team in more more often than not, have been making 404 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: big contributions. Everybody wants to you know, the Ron Wolf thing. 405 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 2: You want to go up a few Draft ten players, 406 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: you want three to be starters. You know, the batting 407 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: average idea. But Michael, you know this. Paul Mallidor went 408 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: on a hit streak once. I mean, like, if you 409 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: can bat seven hundred for a stretch, yeah, and the 410 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: long enough timeline, it might work itself back down. But 411 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: when you're hot, you want to stay hot. And I 412 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: just feel like, again, we'll let this new draft class 413 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: come in and perform and see what they can add 414 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: to this thing. But it's such a massive opportunity that 415 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: the Packers have right now, and I think everybody understands that, 416 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: whether you want a verbalizer or not, obviously you want 417 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: to keep this thing chill for players. You want them 418 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: to focus on what's in front of them. What happened 419 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: at the end of last season does not guarantee that 420 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: it will happen again at the beginning of this season. 421 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: You have to manage the expectations. You have to manage 422 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: the outside noise. You have to be realistic about how 423 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: long a seventeen game season is and that no, you 424 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: don't just get to start in week one where you 425 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: left off last January. That's not how this works. Everybody 426 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: is starting over, include you. You have to earn everything 427 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: and every opportunity that you get along the way. 428 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 2: But what's fun about that, Mike, You're out in this community. 429 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: I'm out in this community. The vibe that is a 430 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: Brown Packers fans right now, oh last year, hopeful optimism, 431 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: Hopeful that Jordan is going to be the guy, Hopeful 432 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: that that one quick appearance against the Philadelphia Eagles is 433 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 2: going to be enough from that to actual legitimate confidence 434 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: and excitement about this season. 435 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: That training camp is still two and a half months away, 436 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: you know. 437 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: But yeah, how many people in inbox have written the 438 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: ball how exciting it was to get back to the draft, 439 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: How exciting it wasn't see teams players back on the 440 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: field for Rookie minni caamp, even if they were the 441 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: first year guys. 442 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's there. 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First off, a lot 452 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: of folks wondering, Okay, so the draft is done, Rookie 453 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: Mini camp has done. What is the rest of the 454 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: offseason schedule at this point? Because we're talking about the 455 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: players being around, the coaches are around. So this week 456 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: after the Rookie minute, right after the Rookie mini camp, 457 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: the rookies are actually off then the players are players 458 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: are going through their offseason workouts. They're doing you know, 459 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: position work with their coaches, et cetera. Next week the 460 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: rookies then join the veterans for those offseason workouts, and 461 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: then the week after that is the start of OTAs, 462 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: which is really the first time in the off season 463 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: program where you can have eleven on eleven reps. You 464 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: can have you can have the offense and the defense 465 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: out there. It's still pads, you know, non contact and whatnot, 466 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: but you can actually run, you know, run eleven on 467 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,479 Speaker 1: eleven sort of, you know, scrimmage stuff in shorts and helmets. 468 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: So you get three weeks of OTAs. The way things 469 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: have worked media wise in the past, one OTA per 470 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: week is open to the media and then we get 471 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: access to the locker room to do interviews, so as 472 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: we get closer to the end of May, we'll be 473 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: able to reconnect with the veteran players see some of 474 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: these OTA workouts. And then in the middle of June 475 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: you have the mandatory mini camp, which for the packers 476 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: is scheduled from June eleven to June thirteen. And then 477 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: when the mandatory mini camp is over, then that's essentially 478 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: the end of the off season program and then you 479 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: have the big break before everybody comes back for training 480 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: camp and I hit the bar late July, yeah, or 481 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: other places finding places to put our feet up, like 482 00:23:54,080 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: Tom Clements. The other thing we are hearing, not making 483 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: any declarations by any means, but we are hearing that 484 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: it sounds like the NFL is going to be releasing 485 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four schedule next week sometime. So maybe 486 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: on one of our shows next week, we'll have a 487 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: chance to talk about the twenty twenty four schedule beyond 488 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: Week one in Brazil and just how this whole, uh, 489 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: this whole slate is going to line up. I know, 490 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:28,959 Speaker 1: your big ask of the NFL big as before the 491 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: Brazil game was announced, was can Matt Lafleur please open 492 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: a Packer season at home in Week one? Well that 493 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen because because we're headed to Brazil in early September. 494 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: So beyond that wild way, yeah, I know, ye're six, 495 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: I know, six, sixth year as a head coach and 496 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: he has yet to have a home game in Week 497 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: one at Lambeau. 498 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: And the Packers requested it in eighteen when Mike McCarthy's 499 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: last season with the last tiame They're Home. 500 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: The Packers requested it, Yeah, requested as the as against 501 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: the Bears as the first game of the one hundred season, 502 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: and that was the last time the Packers had Week 503 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: one at home. So with that out the window, do 504 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: you have any requests for the scheduling deities of the 505 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: NFL that you would like to see when we supposedly 506 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: are going to get our hands on this schedule next 507 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: week sometime. 508 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: Justin I'm going to this camera. Please, I am begging you. 509 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: Week four, no Thursday night football game the National is 510 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 2: playing in Madison. If there, if I have to go 511 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: to Brazil. And then three weeks later the NFL decides 512 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: to drop a Thursday night football game on the night 513 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: that the National is playing in Madison, I am going 514 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 2: to lose my mind. Other than that, uh No. I 515 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: was talking to my dad last night. I was like, Hey, 516 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: could we maybe not get a Christmas game either this year? 517 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 2: Four years in a row, we've either been traveling on 518 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: Christmas or it's been Christmas Eve that we've played. Yeah, 519 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: something like no Christmas game would be good, but but hey. 520 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: That Christmas thing on Wednesday, whatever teams end up getting scheduled, 521 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: that that whole thing is just gonna be weird because 522 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: that because you're gonna get late in the season and 523 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a Saturday game followed by a 524 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday game on Christmas, followed by then, you know, like 525 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: a week and a half before your next game, when 526 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: you could be right in the midst of you know, 527 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: the playoff chase and wild card and division title implications. 528 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: So whatever whatever teams end up playing on Christmas, with 529 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Christmas being on a Wednesday this year in the NFL 530 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: saying that that there will be games scheduled on that day, 531 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: that's just gonna be a weird deal. Like, and I'm 532 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: hoping it's not us. 533 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: I'll be serious now for a moment. 534 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: Okay, not that I wasn't serious. I was gonna say, 535 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: you're pretty I just said, you're pretty serious about that 536 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: concert you you need to go to in late September. 537 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 2: I just missed the NF concert last night in Milwaukee. 538 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: My friend Tessa Rue had had tickets for it available. 539 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 2: I couldn't get down there for it. It's tough to 540 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: be a sports writer sometimes, but no all joking aside, 541 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: I would love, love, love to see Week two Packers 542 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: Detroit Lions at Lambeufield. Okay, the Packers at lambeau Field 543 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: is a must under no circumstances. Can there be a 544 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: schedule out of the nine hundred nine ninety five thousand 545 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: different machinations of these calculations they come up with for 546 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: schedules if they go back to back road games after Brazil. 547 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: Oh, there's there's there's no there's no way, there's just 548 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: there's no way. Let's go Week two is okay. 549 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: I think it'd be really fun to have that Lions matchup. 550 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: I said this an Insider inbox this morning, Michael. I mean, 551 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: I thought the NFL got it right last year. They 552 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: put Detroit in Kansas City in Week one as the opener. 553 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: Detroit lived up to those high expectations everybody had for them. 554 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: It was a great game, and they certainly showed that that. 555 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: That big win of Theirs over the Chiefs at Arrowhead 556 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: was no fluke. Yeah, no doubt that Lions team was 557 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: pretty darn good. 558 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: Chris Jones could have maybe worked out that contract a 559 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: week earlier, maybe the different things a little different. 560 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, that might have that might have helped the 561 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: Packers in the NFC North Chase. 562 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: But yes, just maybe, but be that as it may. 563 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: I just I really I look for balance with these schedules, Michael. 564 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: I look for mid season bys. I just look for 565 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: some allowance to get into a rhythm. And I feel 566 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 2: like more often than not, I'm not saying anything's out 567 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 2: against the Packers. Everybody draws the short straw, but there's 568 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: just been some really interesting Week fourteen byes, Week five bys. 569 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: It just it's been all over the map. If you 570 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: could just get a little bit more parody with it, 571 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: no huge weird swings home games, road games, I feel 572 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: like that could be something that could help this football. 573 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go the opposite of you with regard 574 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: to your Week two Lions thing. I want the Lions 575 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: game the Lions visit to lambeau Field this year to 576 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: be Week eighteen in the cold. You know, you know 577 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: that Week eighteen is going to be a division game, right, 578 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: That's the way it is across the league. So it's 579 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: going to be Bears, Vikings or Lions with the with 580 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: the with the Packers and Lions presumably being you know, 581 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: the two favorites for the NFC North. If the NFL 582 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: wants to put the Packers and Lions in Week eighteen, 583 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: put it at Lambo not at Ford Field, please, Yeah, 584 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: that'd be really cool. That works for me. 585 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: Any chance we go back to Detroit for Thanksgiving again, 586 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: do you think would they do that back to back years. 587 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: Back to back? It's I said, in my time, I 588 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: have covered I have covered Packers lines on Thanksgiving in Detroit. 589 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: I believe it's at least five times, but it has 590 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: never been in back to back years before. So I 591 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen, but can't rule it out. 592 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: And you know, with that Thanksgiving night game thing, I 593 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: mean maybe who knows, maybe Lambo's going to get a 594 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving game again like we had back in twenty fifteen 595 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: for the years. So yeah, it's been nine years. The 596 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: Brett Favre number retirement thing was on that rainy Thanksgiving 597 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: night at Lambo against Chicago. So anyway, it's. 598 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: Like the only game that Bears have won at Lambo too. 599 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: And like my kid's lifetime, your kid wasn't even boring 600 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: boring yet never mind. Yeah, I don't know Killian, I 601 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: don't know if he's seen the Packers lose yet against 602 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: the Bears, has he not? 603 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Maybe not? Maybe not? 604 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: December of seventeen, off to look that one up. Yeah, 605 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: get our stats and infot apartment on that one. 606 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we've got just to let everybody know Wes 607 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: and I are working on some of our follow up 608 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: stories with regard to our draft picks. Wes posted a 609 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan story this week. I believe that one up 610 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: on the website on Wednesday, correct tomorrow. I've got a 611 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: follow up story on Jacob Month, the fifth round offensive 612 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: lineman from Duke. Early next week, We're going to have 613 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: stories on some of the DB's Javon Bullard, Kaylin King. 614 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: So keep an eye out for for those draft pick 615 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: follow up stories as we head the rest of this 616 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: week and into next week. And then maybe we're going 617 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: to find out about that schedule for twenty twenty four. 618 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: And if we don't, I'm gonna lose my mind. 619 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: So with that, we'll call it a rap on this 620 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted'd be sure to follow all of 621 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team on Packers dot com. For 622 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: Wes'm Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody. We will 623 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: see you next time 624 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: M HM.