WEBVTT - The NRA and their Blickies 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:24.599 Recording in progress. Recording in progress. All right, y'all, welcome 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.200 to politics, will prop This is a fun episode. I 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:33.040 got everyone's favorite huh connect here, Robert Evans. I swear 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.919 to you, you would be the greatest plug, Like if 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:39.560 you lived in the Inner city I have been occasionally. Yeah, 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.600 you'd be the greatest plug because number one, you're fearless, 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.839 and number two, it's like you you seem to be 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.800 able to get your hands on anything. I mean, you 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.639 know I I I used to be a lot more 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.440 fearful of that sort of ship like it was a 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.960 nice maybe this is just being a white guy, but 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.680 leaving the Deep South for California and the West Coast, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.600 it was like, oh, suddenly I'm way less scared about 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:08.759 driving drugs around in my car. That's pretty true. Okay, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.120 So I'm gonna open up the woll before I before 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:12.560 I go to this story, I want to ask you 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.880 a question just off the head that I feel like, 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.880 I feel like it would be a fun exercise right 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.640 now off the head. Can you think of as many 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:27.720 like nickname terms for guns? Right now? Just off the head? 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.080 How many nicknames can you think of? Just rabble them? Off? Heater? 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:37.480 A strap, a piece. Uh, I mean nicknames and not 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.600 like just like a side arm um a bang stick 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:48.840 um boomstick um yeah, blicky Berner, chopper, you know what 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.680 I'm saying, Shopper, Yeah, yeah, I just burner and heater, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.280 I feel yeah, that's those there's your cousins. Yeah yeah, 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.560 burner a heater. I just think, uh, there is. I 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:04.520 don't know there's anything besides like sex and guns that 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:09.360 has more nicknames. Yeah. I've always been partial to strap. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.079 I don't know why, but that's the one that I 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.840 find most satisfying. I think strap helps. I think strap 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.680 like in a lot of ways. I also feel like 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.600 the slang you turn you use for your gun has 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:21.840 a lot to do with like the year you graduated 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.280 high school. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.280 like that, you know what I'm saying. So like, yes, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.960 strap is like, yeah, you listen to nineties rap, you 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.280 know what I'm saying. That's why exactly that strap. You 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.200 know what I'm saying, Yeah, you know, don't make you 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.520 have to grab my strap, go rat tat tat tat. 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.040 If it's chopper, it's like, well, you you've listened to 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.079 Southern rap, you know, what I'm saying, like you were 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.480 in the trap music, so you know anyway, and then 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.280 there's blicky, which is what I name. That's why I 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.600 haven't heard that one. Blicky Blacky is what the young 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.880 boys use. You know, Yeah, it's blicky. You know a 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.000 lot of times. What is what is the etymology because 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.480 all the others heater obviously it's hot, right a strap 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.560 you like strap a gun on? You know, uh, the 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:09.400 pieces obvious, Like what is what is a blicky? I 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.600 have no idea, Robert, Okay, you have no idea where 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.679 it came. Bro I just heard the little home he 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.480 say it. You hope to say it because I never 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.360 know with with the kids sling, I never know if 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.320 they're just working with us, right, like if there is 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.960 trick the old people into thinking blicky was a thing. Alright, alright, 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.520 producer here, producer here, Blicky means a pistol. To blick 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.160 someone down is to gun them down. The term blicky 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.960 has been used by every top forty rap artist you've 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:45.640 ever listened to in the last five years. Oh okay, okay, 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.360 to blick That makes sense because so they turned a 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.640 verb into an adverb or a verb into anna it's 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:56.600 like calling it a gap because it's like like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.360 I forgot about get Yeah. That makes so many slings. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.800 There's a lot of slag for guns. Yeah, because of 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:08.200 the obvious love affair that all of America has for God. Boy, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.760 we sure do love guns. God we love these things. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.600 We love guns more than maybe any other country has 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.000 ever loved, like a thing that isn't bread or some 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.479 sort of dipping oil. Yes, I was gonna say there 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.479 anything that's not food or condiment or yeah, because the 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.120 way Americans love guns is like is like the way 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.680 French people love their bread, or like in Thailand they 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.200 love that like chilly oil that they put in stuff, 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.400 or like like it's it's like it's it's a kind 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:41.159 it's a comprehensive love that is normally reserved for food stuffs. Yes, 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.919 that is that a food stuff that is like such 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:52.160 a like a stand in for your national and cultural identity, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.719 you know what I'm saying, Like like kimchi is a 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.600 stand in for what it means to be from this 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.400 part of the world. It's feel like that. It's the 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.200 same way like hummus. Right, Like there's this massive conflict 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.120 over hummus in in in Palestine with the Israelis anyway, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.240 I'm not gonna get into that, but like it's there's 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.359 a there's so much identity wrapped up in food and 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:16.160 in America it's like guns. Yeah, yeah, it's not like 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.000 this is our this is our Nigerian jall off Rice 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.400 is our guns. This is a glock nineteen. Yes, this 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.400 is a glock nineteen. We just loved him things, um, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:32.880 which is just a matter of observation, not of evaluation anyway. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.600 So sentences the politics, it must start with some sort 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:41.240 of connection to uh inner cityhood living. I'ma tell y'all story, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.839 and then get into what we actually want to talk about. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.800 And I would imagine in Robert, in some way, shape 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.520 or form, you may have a similar sort of memory. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.800 M hmm. Maybe not the same, but similar. So I 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.360 grew up you people heard this many times. You've heard 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.800 this many times. I grew up in east side of 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.240 South Central and then over to area called the San 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.400 Gabriel Valley, predominantly Latino area. But what comes with being 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.440 in a lot of ways as a person of color 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.320 is we still went to church every Sunday, right, and 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.120 in going to church, you know, our churches were very 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.920 different than sort of white Western evangelical that was worried 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.000 about like purity culture and you know, nationalism and stuff 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.560 like that. They was just like, don't join a gang 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.440 and don't get nobody pregnant. That was the extent of 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.359 our youth ministry. That being said, we went off to 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.960 youth camp. Right, So we did summer camp like every 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.720 other little white wonderbread you know church. We did youth 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.760 camp like everybody else. The only difference is youth camp 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.520 cost too much. But every year I know this now 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.679 as an adult, every year that like summer camp place 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.800 used to do a week that was a third of 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.560 the price. Right, So that now all the inner city 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.360 churches can go, which I didn't know that I thought 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.200 I was. I thought I thought it called the same 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.040 as everybody else. I used to wonder why we would 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.640 go to youth camp, and it just bed like it 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.040 would just be like a bunch of just rival gangs, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.720 rival neighborhoods, because we just we were the inner city churches. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.840 I had no idea that's how it work. That's just 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:24.400 how it works. So anyway, where youth camp, uh you know, dudes, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.200 is like stacking on each other like you're stacking is 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.200 like showing gang signs whatever. Right, But either way, you know, 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.960 everyone's having different experiences. Some people are having a good time, 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.680 some people aren't. Some people not involved in none of 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.880 this stuff, whatever the case. Maybe this is the way 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.920 sort of youth camp went. So there was one year 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.520 that there was these boys that I met that you know, 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.760 went to another church like cross town whatever, who decided, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.560 most of them decided that they just ain't like me, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.960 right for whatever reason, I just happened to be their target, right, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.200 which I know you understand that did somebody just decided 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.240 I don't like you don't know why they just don't. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.200 So once they decided that, uh, any anything I ever 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.840 did was funny, a joke, whatever the case may be. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.800 Right now now at my church, I mean, we got 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.120 some gees, you know what I'm saying, Like, we got 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.880 some brothers that are like not even paying that no 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.400 attention because they know if it go down, like we 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.680 will mop the floor with these dudes. So like, don't 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.280 even you don't even need to acknowledge the fact that 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.760 they cracking jokes about you, because if it comes down 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.720 to it, I'll beat the ship out of these boys, right, 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.160 So that's kind of like the attitude of my little 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:38.080 like sort of seventh eighth grade group of guys. Anyway, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.320 last night, of those gotten waight before I say that, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.120 of those guys, there was like one or two of 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.719 them that, like I actually made friends with right that 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.000 we were cracking jokes. They loved hip hop like I did, whatever, whatever, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.760 whatever the case may be, I kind of made friends 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.480 with two of them. At one point at the end 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.239 of the last night, I was headed to the bathroom 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.800 and it's camp, right, so it's like a big old 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.480 shared bathroom sit wastion, right. So I was headed to 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.000 the bathroom and I could see the group of dudes 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.640 behind me kind of walking a little further behind me 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.959 right now. As I was headed to the bathroom, the 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.600 two that were my friends caught up to me, right, 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.560 and we're just talking whatever whatever, Hey where you you know? Hey, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.920 so you know when y'all bust leaving whatever whatever. So 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.240 we're just talking about that, and then he whispers, don't 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.920 go in the bathroom, and then just kept talking, you know, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.439 and I was like what and he was just like 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.720 he's just like real quick, not like don't go in there. 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:31.840 Don't go in there. So I was like, he goes, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.000 but if you are, he just whispering. If you go in, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.439 just go right back out, right. So so I was like, Oh, 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:41.280 they're gonna jump me. They're gonna jump me in the bathroom, right. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.120 So at first I was like, I scared of these 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.600 folkso said, that's my first thought, right, But then but 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.319 then I looked behind me and I was like, it's 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.040 actually a lot of y'all, you know. And I wasn't 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.920 with none of I wasn't with none of my boys. Like, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.080 I was just walking by myself. So I was like, 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.920 by the time any of my friends get here, I 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.240 probably have had a couple of concussions. So it's like 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.400 the way fights work, if you're fighting experience comes from movies, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.760 is that is that if you're one person and there's 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.400 multiple people, you're going to lose the fight, right, Like 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.640 it doesn't really even matter like training whatever. Every now 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.880 and then you get somebody who's like a freak at that, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.520 but you're generally you're just gonna get your ass feats. Yes, 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.200 they're not going to attack you one on one. They're not. 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.920 It's not in a single file that they attack like movies. No, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.720 you're gonna get piled on, You're just gonna get wailed, yes, 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.720 And I'm like, it's urinals, it's toy Like, I'm like, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.000 a nasty stuff can happen? A yeah, I'm not going 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.560 in there. So that's what I did. I just went 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.840 in and went out right, And I did look back 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.640 until I was far enough away, and I saw Autumn 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.719 dudes looking out the other door and then looking back 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.000 at their homies that the guys that that gave me 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.000 the clue, right, And I can't hear what they saying, 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.800 but I could see them kind of being like basically 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.559 like what the funk man, like you know what I'm saying, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.360 and then being like, oh, I don't know, you know, 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.040 right whatever, just then playing it cool like I don't know, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.560 like whatever, you know. All that to say, even though 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:13.120 that they're a group of people decided that this is 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.080 the way we felt about this dude, there's no way 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.040 of telling that if everybody actually felt that way, because 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.120 it's possible that more than just those two dudes was 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.880 like why are we why do we even care about 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.600 this fool? Like what what difference does it make what 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.679 he's doing or not doing you know what I'm saying, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:42.080 But the rules are you just can't speak up because 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.480 even if you do, even if you like, I'm down 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.680 for the them, down for the set, But like I 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.520 just I don't. I don't. I don't know why we 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.720 why we're so worried about that. Actually, I think I 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.400 kind of think some of this is stupid. You know 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.120 what I'm saying, But you're not gonna say nothing. You're 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.640 not allowed to say nothing it. But but what what 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.800 happens is oftentimes you're not the only one that feel 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.679 that way. Matter back, most of y'all feel that way. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.880 And then what the Homie Jojo with the Homie Jojo 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.000 said is sometimes some of the stuff like that the 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.200 set gotta do is because just because you're O g like, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.600 got his feelings hurt from some girl, and now y'all 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.600 gotta beef with this block. But it's really just because 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.600 you're ology just got his feelings heard from some girl, 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.480 and like, but nobody's saying nothing, you know what I'm saying, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:33.440 because you gotta follow whatever that person was saying to 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.760 do because they in charge. Yeah, I mean no, that 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.839 like everything works that way, like to a degree, Like 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.680 that's like, uh why a lot of Like you can 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.679 you could get on Twitter and see like what the 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.720 what the rage machine is like going after every day 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.560 and half the time it's like it's shipped like that. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.000 It's like somebody somebody had a beef with somebody else, 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.800 and so now everybody's angry at like a whole group 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.920 of people, right, Like I mean, it's it's it's history too. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.280 It's like it's the fucking it's World War One, right, Yeah, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.199 nobody wanted to go in, but like somebody fucked with 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.440 like somebody else's friend, and so now we all got 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.160 to get in, ye and now we all like it's 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.400 it's snowballs. Like one dude gets fucking clapped, and like 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.760 because of that, it winds up being twenty million people 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:23.200 get fucking clapped. Like that's the way the people work, right, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.480 It's the way that people were. The psychology isn't any 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.280 different when it's like a neighborhood as opposed to you know, 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:35.480 the Hollands allern Empire, right exactly. And also the way 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.760 that the n r A has a death grip on 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:45.720 the right wing. There we go, there's where we're at. Yeah, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.760 I want to talk about Yeah, I want to talk 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:55.360 about this, uh this research that from Michael's Dr Michael Siegel, Yes, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:14:00.400 Siegel from Tough University did where he surveyed the way 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:07.600 that he's like right wing Republican and r A you know, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:14.160 gun supporting people actually feel about restrictions on the Second Amendment. Yeah, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:34.320 and that and why ain't nobody saying that, Well, yeah, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.240 that's a that's a that's a broad topic, right because 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.600 it relates um, an awful lot of I mean, this 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.200 is something that that gets brought up, perhaps not enough, 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.400 but like a ton of different restrictions. Like when when 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.160 you talk about stuff like assault weapons bans and whatnot, um, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.600 like bands on specific weapons or even things like maccaps, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.640 it gets a lot more controversial. But there's a bunch 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.600 of stuff that like gun owners are broadly supportive of 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.720 and the like, which like universal background checks, and then 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.560 there's stuff that gun owners are supportive of depending on 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.400 how you bring it up to them. Right, the red 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.000 flag laws have been heavily politicized, um, and so if 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.040 you say, like, do you support red flag laws, and 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.160 a lot of gun owners heads, they'll think about whatever 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.120 it is. Fox News warned them, red flag laws were were. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.080 But if you say, like, hey, if some dude like 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:22.840 beats the ship out of his wife and kids, should 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.200 he be able to buy a gun? They'll be like, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:29.320 of course not right, So yeah, yeah, And I'm one 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.200 of the most important things that the n r A 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.400 has done over the last there I mean, it's been 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:37.600 like forty years, but it's really escalated since since about 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.240 two thousand. Um. One of the most important things they've 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:46.880 done is flatten any kind of discussion about gun control 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:52.600 to confiscation of all guns versus nothing right um and 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.160 if you can this is this is not the n 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.520 r A pioneered this, and we talk about this in 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.680 an episode of a three party on Behind the Bastards 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.840 coming up. They're not the only thing that this has done. Basically, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.120 the idea is that the right wing recognized early on 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.840 and and really started moving towards us in the nineteen 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.720 seventies that the best thing to do was to build 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:17.240 single issue voters whose single issue was something they would 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.840 not compromise on and that the Republican Party would make 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.720 central to their um to their actives. And abortion is 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.960 one of these right um. Guns is another. And the 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:27.720 beauty of a single issue voter is you don't have 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.440 to improve their lives. You don't have to like fix anything, 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.600 you don't have to be good in any aspect of governing. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.880 All you have to do is stand with them on 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:41.760 that single issue. Are you exactly exactly? Um? And you 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:47.560 know that is disastrous, has been disastrous for the concept 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.480 of democracy. It's been disastrous for like the potential future 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.560 of the human species. But it's very smart politics, Like 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.640 this is objectively good politics. Brilliant. Yeah, you've you've you've 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.160 already gotten to the punch line at the show, which 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.880 is great. Um. So let's let's uh, let's uh reverse 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.240 engineer the point that Robert just made, which is the 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.600 point of this episode, which is you create a person 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.520 into a single issue voter. Either you down with us 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.800 or you not down with us, right, and it works, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.880 you know. Uh. So, like you said, there are four 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.760 laws that, according to this research, uh, that would probably 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:34.000 drop gun deaths by and they say that like sevent 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.040 of gun owners would actually support this if it's presented 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.600 to them correctly, like you said, the permit requirements, red 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.560 flag laws, uh, universal background ground checks. But yeah, the 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.960 idea of like if a person has a history of 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.320 violence probably probably shouldn't. Yeah, man, if you're sucking hitting 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.439 your kids, like right, that's not a you have. You 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.280 have a right. People who are program control don't like 0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.639 to talk about it this way, but you do. You 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.240 have a human right to own a firearm. So of course, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.359 if you're talking about restricting people's human rights, which you 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.080 are with gun control, you have to be careful about 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.840 how you do it because among other things, that can 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.720 the consequences of that can extend beyond guns, because that's 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:17.320 the way that like jurisprudence works. But it's pretty well 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.960 established that if you do violence to people, you can 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.199 lose certain rights, and broadly speaking, we all seem to 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.880 be fine with that, Like that's just this is just yeah, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.719 it's like this is what what for some reason why 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.480 of democrats don't know how to talk. But when they 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.840 say things like common sense laws, like the fact that 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.879 when it comes out of a mouth it sounds condescending, 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.280 but it's what it is. It's like, no, for real, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.040 like we do this all the time. If you violate 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:50.679 certain social codes, you kind of don't get those rights 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.800 that are expected of those who participate in society. You know, 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.840 and if if I could have notes for them. Like 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.440 one of the things would be, when you're trying to 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.639 talk about this, don't use terms. If you call it 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.400 a red flag block right, right, then the right wing 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.000 media can take that and describe define a red flag 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.400 law the way they do, which is like, oh, they're 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.119 going to define being conservative as like, you know, a 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.159 red flag and one, and then they're going to take 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.399 your guy if you if you instead say we should 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.520 take guns away from people who hit their spouses and kids, right, 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:28.040 it's hard to argue with. Yeah, and it gets to 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.280 the core of what you're trying to do, right, yes, um, yes, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.600 but what but what radicalization does is what you explain 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.679 is you boil it down to a sense of what 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.840 we're getting to. You boil it down to a sense 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:44.000 of identity. This that this thing is a stand in 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:49.639 for who we are, right, So to abridge that is 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.359 to abridge me as a person, you know, And that's 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.680 uh a lot of times even in in like in 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.480 a city outreach, when we tell you, you know what 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.160 I'm saying, you're trying to get this kid did off 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.359 his flag, and it's like you're asking me to drop 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.399 who I am, you know, and then, but there's a 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.040 lot of work into understanding. I understand where your brain 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.000 goes with that. I understand the history of your relationship 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:17.960 to this thing. However, it does not have to be 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:55.879 this way, right, Yeah, he means so, yeah, you know 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.800 about your boy Harlan Carter. Yes, we're again. We're doing 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.639 like a three part of our Bastard's about him. Yeah, okay, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.600 hardly about him specifically. Yeah, he is. He is one 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.960 of the most important people to know about to understand 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.720 how we got here. He really he's like I think 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.920 he's one of those names that like, yeah, bro, like 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.199 you make a movie about him where it's like his 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:26.840 effect on the life we live now. The fact that 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.240 there isn't more constant on him is either a proves 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.080 his brilliance or b is like, oh, y'all, we missed 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.160 a biggie, you know, because of who he is. Now, 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.280 I could do I got notes on him, but you're 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.520 about to do that. Terms like seems like this is 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.240 a promo for what are the ones you got coming 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.879 up now? Since apparently you're doing that, Uh, and you 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.760 can run I could do a quick overview. You can 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:51.719 do a quick overview' up to you yeah, I've just 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:56.000 done it. Um, So yeah, let's let's let's have you 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.160 hit it and um. Because I'm interested in talking about 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:05.919 him in the context of like he he he what 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:07.960 he did to the n r A to take it over, 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.119 and it's not obviously his his part. Part of what 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:13.320 I think is important about the story of Harlan Carter 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.080 is that like he hits both the militarization of the 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.520 police and the birth of American gun culture as exists, um, 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:24.840 which is crucially important. But like the way he the 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.359 way he whipped things together in the n r A 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.879 is um it was. It was some fucking hood politics, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:35.720 it really was. Yes, yeah, so pre nineteen seventy seven 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:40.040 n r A was not the n r A that 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.840 we know of. You know, started off at the end 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.320 of was the Civil War, right the war, and in 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.680 the Civil War it was like all right, you got 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.439 these like hotheads that kind of don't really know how 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:55.119 to shoot, you know what I'm saying, And like, okay, listen, man, teacher, 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:56.600 how to shoot. You know what I'm saying, take care 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.000 of your weapon and of a fundamentally good place, which 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.640 is that boy. I wish I wish our Northern inner 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:05.639 City kids were better at shooting Confederates. Yes, yes, that 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:10.000 was just which is a noble goal. Yes, was just like, look, man, 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.920 it's how you out a gun. You feel the uh 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:14.840 you know, it is how you as what you do 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.200 is I take care of your gun. Just normal gun safety, 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:23.240 you know, and basic marksmanship, basic marksmanship, you know what 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.040 I'm saying. And and obviously like the idea of like 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.679 none of them were like what we would call Second 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.440 Amendment absolutists. Like no, the Second Amendment. What no one 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.040 talked about. It, no one talked about was that it 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.040 was a it was there had not, there was not 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:42.560 up until fairly recently, like within the twentieth century, the 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:46.200 Supreme Court like basically didn't touch the Second Um. It 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.239 was it was not like a big part of this 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:53.320 is that everyone like guns were not restricted very much 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:57.840 in many places in the West, right because they just weren't. 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:04.440 An individual firearm was not yet particularly threatening, right yeah, yeah, 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:09.359 you know. And then into the Black panthers, right right, 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.800 there's a go ahead, Yeah no, no, no no, police, give 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:14.920 your bed, and then I'll say the thing I was 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.399 gonna say into the Black Panthers, which was like just 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:23.760 like what happens with everything America does. Once black people 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.040 realize it's like, oh wait, we could do that too, 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.240 then everybody goes wait, hold on now, wait wait wait, wait, 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:34.440 hold on now. Right? So uh, an interesting example this 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.720 seeing how we're in our our mid term and you 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:38.520 know out here in Cali we just sent off our 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:44.640 our our primary ballots. Uh. Funny thing about the end 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:49.800 of mass slavery in the beginning of reconstruction. The weird 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:54.800 middle between that and the Black codes was once we 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.280 got the right, we had rights to vote, you know 0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.800 what I'm saying. Once we was finally set free, and 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:04.520 what did we do? Well, we voted right and caused 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.840 some problems. And that was the problem because we started putting. 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:11.000 It was like all black governments because there was more 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.399 of us. And we was like, well, you're telling me 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.600 I get to say as to who in charge, Well, 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.920 I want my uncle in charge because he ain't gonna 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.199 with me. That man never owned me. Right, So it 0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:25.520 worked right, and once it worked, just like hold on 0:25:25.600 --> 0:25:28.440 now wait this this this working too good. So they said, okay, 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.520 now we can't have everybody vote. You can vote if 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:38.480 yo grandmama could vote. Right, it was like Okay, yeah, 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.639 fother what we're doing here. It's like it's like I 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:46.720 get it. That's like very sneaky, but yes, yes, it's 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.200 like oh so okay, I see what you did. Dare 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.160 you know what I'm saying? Uh so, so take that 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.800 theory about like, oh crap, it actually works. Was the same, Well, 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.480 the Pathers realized it's like, wait a minute, we have 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.879 to right to bear arms. Yeah, and all thanks to 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.800 the First Civil Rights Act there were that's what like 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.720 because initially after emancipation, there was like a whole a 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.160 year or two where it was like, well they still 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.800 don't there's nothing that guarantees these people rights even though 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.760 they've been emancipated. And then Congress was like okay, fuck 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:23.040 you like yes, yeah exactly and yeah. So after that point, yeah, 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.359 and this was like not it didn't start with the 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.600 panthers because there's like, um, what was it that it 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.000 was in nineteen nineteen when there was like that series 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.520 of like mass lynchings and stuff like. Yeah, of like uh, 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:38.320 black communities being like, we have a right to bear 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.160 arms and all these people want us dead. We should 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.720 probably we should get some guns. Yeah you know what 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.320 I'm saying so like like, don't think we pacifist. You 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.520 feel me like, yeah, I'm a passive fists. Yeah exactly. 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:54.159 There's if you've had like members of your family murdered 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:56.800 in the woods by mobs, you're you can't really be 0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.119 a pacifist. No, you're gonna carry guns, saying so do 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.720 something right. So, yeah, so you know we you had 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.280 open cary laws. He was like, all right, well you 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:07.920 say we could have them. So we've been to have 0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:09.600 them and they say, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.920 we want y'all to have them. Yeah, that's whoa what 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.680 made you think you guys? Wait, you had this right. 0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:20.720 We didn't think this through. So so you know, the 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.520 n R change day tune wants the uh wants the 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.080 panther started actually listening to what I had to say. 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.200 And there was there's an article that just came out 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.959 today as we would record this in Salon that was like, um, 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.280 let me, I haven't pulled up here because it was 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:39.760 a pretty incredible, pretty incredible title and an example of like, hey, guys, 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:46.640 maybe rethink the way you're framing something. Um, where is this? Okay? Yeah, 0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.640 So there's this article in Salon when Ronald Reagan's racism 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:56.679 saved lives, armed black men ment immediate gun control. Now 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.720 they deleted that tweet and I think renamed or maybe 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.159 even cut the article. I haven't checked, but like, oh my, 0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.760 guess you could just not say that. Yeah, there's a 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.080 lot you can say about guten control that isn't that. Yeah, 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.280 we don't need to make that point, hey man, Yeah, 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:18.840 maybe not, maybe not say everything ogging you know, it's 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.480 this thing that keeps like you you catch this and 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.800 again not to say that obviously it's not racist to 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.359 like look at children getting a massacred in the school 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:27.840 and being like the funk we we have to be 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:30.240 able to do something like not making that claim in 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.960 any way, but you do. There is this strain of 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.560 like liberals who will repeatedly bring up like, well, you know, 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.719 if we just gave every black man an a R fifteen, 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:40.560 there'd be a gun control and it's like, guys, that's 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.400 not really that's still pretty the thing to hit, you know, 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.480 like pretty racist, Like I don't know if you know 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:53.800 that need to make that point, yes, yeah, man? So yeah, 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.400 so income to panthers day change a story. There's this coup, 0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:01.000 like a literal coup in nineteen seven seven with this 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:06.080 guy Harlan Carter, who essentially radicalized he took over the 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.560 leadership Bohich, I wish I wouldn't know what that look 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:12.240 like like practically, like how did that actually look? I 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.120 can tell you that you can. You don't go into 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.800 much detail about this and the the show, but yeah, 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.000 So it's the way the n r A worked is 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.560 like and and it's not like specifically the n r A. 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.160 The n r A is like a type of organization 0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.640 that there's like a legal framework for in the United States. 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:30.520 And it's one example of that. Um, Like people will 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.600 bring up a lot that, um, they didn't cancel their 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.680 their membership meeting and I think it was Colorado after 0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:40.840 the after column mine. Um. And a thing that like 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.960 the n r A defenders will note and kind of 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.120 like its defense is that like, well, it's legally required 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.280 for us to hold a voting meeting and to give 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.400 people X number of days of like warning about like 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.280 where it's going to be, so we couldn't change the meeting, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.960 but like we canceled a bunch of anyway whatever. There's 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.040 like a type of structure for an organization at the 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:02.520 n r A is. And one of the things that 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:06.760 means is that you have this like managing council basically 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.120 a board of directors, right, and you have some like 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.200 elected officials who are run the n r A and 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.640 as a general rule, they're in charge of of like 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.080 what the n r A does and says, right, But 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.760 you also have a group of lifetime members, and the 0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.320 lifetime members get a vote, right, And it's kind of 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.840 like if you can get enough lifetime members to like 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:32.280 agree to motions in the room during this yearly meeting, 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:37.520 they can pass motions and whatnot without the board of 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.520 directors type organization or the elected officials wanting that or 0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.920 saying that. Right. It's kind of like, you know, you 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.600 could like it's almost like they have kind of a 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.960 republic democracy sort of set up. But there's also this 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.280 you could the people, you know, the people who are 0:30:54.320 --> 0:30:57.560 lifetime members can do a um um can do like 0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.880 a what's the fucking term when you like just pull 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.480 the electorate on something and make the make a law 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:06.440 based on that. UM. I don't know, it's like a plebiscite, right, 0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:08.840 So if you can, if you can whip and this 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:10.920 had not really ever been done before, right, like it was. 0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.640 It was like it was kind of like a procedural 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:16.280 thing where like, oh yeah, technically they could like all 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.880 vote and just add things to like the n r 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.560 A charter directly and like dismiss the board. It's possible, 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.400 But like it never mattered, right, Like it mattered was 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.200 who was on the board and who was like the 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.800 the elected leaders at that point and whatnot. And so 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.720 it was very much like there's this kind of like 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.640 gentrified aristocracy that was running the n r A, and 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:39.760 Harlan Carter and this other fucking dude who was a 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:42.800 popular editor for a bunch of different gun magazines got 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.960 together and whipped a bunch of votes right like they would. 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.360 They spent like the entire year beforehand going around to 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.200 people going around a different lifetime members, prominent folks within 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.960 the n r A community, people who were like kind 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:57.640 of celebrities within that world, and getting them to get 0:31:57.680 --> 0:32:00.080 their friends on board. And then they like rented a 0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.120 bunch of hotel rooms during the event and spent days 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:05.640 like getting all of their people in line for the 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.080 big voting meeting um, and then when it happened, basically 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.760 they just put enough people who agreed with them in 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.000 this massive room where they were doing what was supposed 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.160 to be kind of a pro forma vote thing to 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:19.720 like decide on you know, a couple of minor is 0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.240 not not even mine. It. There was like they wanted 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:24.479 to the n r A old Guard wanted to put 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.960 together like a sporting center in Colorado, which these guys 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:29.720 didn't like because they saw it as like a move 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.320 towards the n r A is just a sporting organization, 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.560 is supposed to a Second AMENDNAC organization. So they got 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:37.960 all these people together in the room and like mobbed 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.840 them and fucking it was um. You know, they basically 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.880 swarmed them and had so many people there that they 0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.040 were able to vote out the old Guard and like 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.280 vote in a bunch of things, including a statement that 0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.200 the n r A was a Second Amendment advocacy the 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.280 organization um and like it took it over. Harlan Carter 0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:58.840 was running the n r A by the end of 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.760 the meeting. He walked into the meeting having resigned from 0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.720 the n r A like a year ago, and he 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:09.640 left the meeting in charge. Crazy look and and that 0:33:09.920 --> 0:33:13.840 that is like that is a master class in how 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.520 to do politics. What you just laid out. That's a 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.240 master class in policy. He did the thing that the 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.320 right always does, which is they like look at what 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.040 the letter of the rules and then figure out a 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.600 way that those haven't been used yet so that people 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:33.400 won't expect them to like take power in that way. Yeah. Yeah, dude. 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:38.120 So yeah, so that food did that. Um little story 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.600 about him. When he was a teenager, he shot a 0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:46.280 little Mexican boy, got away with it, Casiano. Ye, when 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.160 he was seventeen. When he was seventeen, he shot a 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.080 little fifteen year old. He used to lead the US, 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:54.360 the US border patrol. He started Operation wet Back. You 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.840 heard me, he started Operation wet Back, right. So, this 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:02.200 militarization of our borders, Yeah, it's the birth of like 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.520 the idea not just of like a border patrol, but 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.759 of a border patrol that's militarized and that can act 0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.640 anywhere near a border, So not just the southern border, 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.560 but anywhere within a hundred miles of a border, which 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.759 is like two thirds of the US population. There's just 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:22.440 a Supreme Court ruling today on Bivens, which is like 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.160 a this kind of precedent case that basically the Supreme 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.319 Court said, actually, we don't think the federal government can 0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.800 regulate what what the Border Patrol does in anyway. That 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.440 was essentially their claim that like, well, yeah, border patrol 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.320 like bust into your house. They don't need a reason. 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.440 Um wow, yeah, Like it's it's a pretty fucked ruling. 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.160 We'll see how exactly it shakes out. I don't want 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.080 to get into too much detail because I'm not a 0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:48.239 lawyer and the ruling just came out, but like he's 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.400 the start like all of these fucking problems that we 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.640 have with CBP, which is easily like our worst law 0:34:53.760 --> 0:35:00.520 enforcement agency. Um, start with Harlan Carter. Yeah that man, 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.680 I gotta think about that. Yeah, it's pretty not great. 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:09.640 That's dope. But yeah, the you know, slanging tanks two cops, 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:14.480 And obviously we have this like you know, you we 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:18.759 have this bloated spending in our military, you know, for 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.640 for like wars they're not fighting, right, and you just 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:29.600 got all this like yeah like insurgents fighting surplus stuff 0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:31.719 that you gotta try to get your money back from 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.160 and you just sell it to cops, right, So when 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:37.719 you sell it to cops, and then what we talked about, 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.560 you know who we we I know, I still get 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.040 messages to this day about the behind the police thing. 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:50.720 But yeah, like that's a super dope like recruiting video. 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.200 If it's like, dude, you want to you want to shoot, 0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:56.759 You want to shoot a desert eagle, you know what 0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:00.160 I'm saying. You want to drive a tank, but you're 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:05.719 afraid to go overseas to fight a war. Yeah, you 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:10.200 could die over there. These people don't shoot back, you 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:13.319 know what I'm saying. So it's such a great, uh 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:16.200 recruiting thing. But anyway you could trace that back to 0:36:16.320 --> 0:36:21.760 this full Harlan Carter. Harlan Carter. I wish somebody would 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.239 have slapped a ship out of him at some point. 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.239 I mean, it's it's the kind of thing where like 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.600 he grows up his dad is. So this is one 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.800 of the things. The US Mexican border, as as it 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.240 is now in like the way that it is conceived 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.920 of and thought of by people, Maybe it's like a 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.800 hundred ish years old, right, yes, because it used to 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:46.400 just be like this area where people lived and technically 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:50.400 it was the border between two countries. But also like 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:52.840 it took fucking if you were like in the government 0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:56.200 in Austin in Texas. It took like days or weeks 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:58.600 to get out there. Right like that, they were not 0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.000 like realistic concerns about immigration for a while because it 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:04.839 was just like not within the state's capacity to really 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.680 worry about too much. This starts to change in the 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:12.120 early nineteen hundreds. Um. And one of the first, like 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.400 one of the thing that Harlan's Carter's dad is a 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.440 part of because he's one of the very first border 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.719 Border Patrol agents. There's this city called the Rado, which 0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:21.760 is where he grows up and where he kills Raymond Casian. 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:25.520 It's like a border town and it's primarily Mexican. Um. 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:30.440 And it's so because it's primarily Mexican. It's run by Mexicans, 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:35.360 right because it was Mexico two decades ago. Yeah, they 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.800 like and and and nobody really thought much about it, 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:39.960 but he thought about it. The Border Patrol sends a 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.600 guy in and he's like, holy fuck, all these Mexicans 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:45.520 are in charge down here. Um. And like the Border 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:48.720 Patrol is friendly with the local police who are Mexican. 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:50.799 We got to change that. So they like clean house 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:52.560 at the Border Patrol. They send in guys in the 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:59.160 Border Patrol like does drive by shootings of the police station. Um, yeah, yeah, 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.879 it's it's fucking gay shit. Um. And they take over, 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.080 like they take over the town in order to like 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:10.279 force a white spacis kind of like system over it, right. 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.040 And Harlan Carter's dad is the one doing that right 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.719 at the same time that he murders a Mexican kid, um, 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.759 claiming that he thought the kid had stolen his mom's car. 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:21.759 Like this kid is out by a swimming hole by 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:25.239 the way when this happens. So that's like Harlon Carter, 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.880 like this was not like an accident. Harlan Carter was 0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.719 a was a conscious soldier of white supremacy, um, going 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:35.560 out of his way to to do it better. Um. 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.160 And he was good at what he did. Um, which 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:53.960 is not great, not great at all anyway anyway, he 0:38:54.160 --> 0:39:21.719 means so in r A and they're gonna take it 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.200 from our cold dead hands. Thanks Charleston Heston, you know, um, 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.759 which you know brings us again more to the to 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:33.799 the modern era where it became such a again an 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.880 identity flash point as far as like you know, it 0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:41.520 was almost like like you said, this single person voters 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.160 thing you could almost see this like mad. It's like 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.800 this mad like almost like hungry, hungry hipposts. It's just 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:51.040 like mad grab for what issue is gonna belong to? 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:55.520 What people? So like this identity around guns, it was 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:59.080 just like Reagan and him was like dips, you know, 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.480 I'm saying like that was ours, right, Yeah, after he 0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:05.600 started gun control in California, after he started gun control 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.399 of California, which is like just the most bizarre things. 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:14.560 So anyway, um, it brings us to why in the world, 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:16.719 like how do you how do you get to a 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:22.960 place where surveyed of Republican gun owners who think that 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:27.279 there are some laws that actually makes sense, but won't 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:31.040 nobody say nothing? Why can't we get our elected officials 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:36.279 to do what your people is asking you to do? 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.960 And it's easy to just be like, well, it's the 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:43.320 n r A, because it kind of is. But what 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.719 what do they got? Like why y'all so scared of them? 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.080 Like that's that's one of the one of the interesting 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.280 questions that you know, we could ask if our politicians 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:55.520 are you so scared of him? Like what what they 0:40:55.600 --> 0:41:00.400 got that we don't what you're Yeah, I'm mean, you know, 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.600 it's a it's a couple of things. So the n 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.799 r A after he takes over, I think a UM, 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:08.719 the modern n r A. One of the moments that 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.759 people will really say is like kind of the thing 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.200 that like is a useful kind of chapter point in 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:15.920 the history of the n r A is UM. I 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.160 think it was two thousand when Charlton Heston, you know, 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.719 holds that fucking ancient rifle up from my whole day. 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.160 And again it's at one of those in there was 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.400 justin nr A meeting, right like, it's it's one of 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:30.879 those yearly members meetings that he does this UM that's 0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.719 generally picked as as kind of the moment, and part 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:36.719 of why is that you have Hart Carter steers it 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:40.279 towards Second Amendment like absolutism, and they start building on that. 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:44.480 They become very effective at lobbying, but they're not immediately effective. 0:41:44.480 --> 0:41:46.080 And in one of the areas in which you can 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.560 see them being like less effective than they became is 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:52.040 that in nineteen ninety four, the Assault Weapons Band passes, right. UM. 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.440 A lot of debate over the degree to which it worked. UM. 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.640 There were less mass shootings under it. Actual gun violence 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.560 not really different as result of it like overall, this 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.200 gets into broader questions of like what gun violence actually 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.239 looks like versus what gun violence tends to get on 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:11.160 the news, because our fifteens are not a particularly common 0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:15.440 gun used in gun violence compared to small handguns, which 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.720 is like nearly the vast majority. But anyway, that's outside 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.719 of the point you saw weapen span gets pass um. 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:23.920 It is past. A lot of other stuff is happening, 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.120 including you have Waco, you have Ruby Ridge, you have 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.440 the home the city bombing in this kind of period 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.239 immediately before and after the a w B, so a 0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.360 lot of what happens with that is tight into the 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:38.080 militia movement. A lot of the militia movement UM is 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.160 kind of born in the shadow of the assault weapons 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:46.400 ban UM and the Republicans kind of it. It's it 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:49.280 takes you know, it's it's law for about a decade, 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.240 UM for a decade, and then it comes up basically 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:57.280 for renewal in two thousand four. And by the time 0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:00.640 two thousand four comes around. In that decade, the n 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.640 r A has kind of solidified its position as the 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:08.279 most effective fundraising arm of the Republican Party. UM A 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:10.719 few years like twelve years after that, they'll give thirty 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.840 million dollars to Domin campaign at the least, right, and 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:15.680 like you know, it's hard to actually know how much 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.879 they give. The bag is too big. The bag is huge. 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.520 They give a lot funkload of money to George W. Bush. 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:23.960 And so George W. Bush does two things. One he 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:27.279 does not his administration there's no attempt to renew the 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.080 assault weapons Ban UM. And then the other thing he does, 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.200 like the next year, there's a push by the n 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:37.399 r A to put through this like law that makes 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:41.760 it impossible, basically makes it impossible to sue gun manufacturers 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.040 for what's done with their guns. UM. And there's a 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.520 couple of other things that happened in a similar time frame, 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.480 including Republicans And this is in the late nineties early 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.320 two thousand's strip all funding from the CDC to research 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:56.840 gun violence, UM and to research like what happens like 0:43:56.920 --> 0:44:01.000 what what what is the health impact of guns? Rit? Large? Right, UM. 0:44:01.120 --> 0:44:03.640 So all of this stuff is happening in this kind 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.840 of decade after the passage of the assault weapons Ban, 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.800 which really accelerates the growth because they have this the 0:44:11.000 --> 0:44:14.360 the a WB is seen as this is proof that 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:18.080 they're coming for everything, right, like this was the first. Um, 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.319 You'll get a lot of statements like registration means confiscation, 0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:24.320 all this kind of stuff, sometimes not helped by Democratic 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.879 politicians who will literally say they want to confiscate all guns. Um. 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.919 But you get this. That decade is really and Carter 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.640 is dead by this point, but he he builds the 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:39.880 machine that makes that decade of activism. And this is 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.319 really that that ten year period two thousand and four 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.560 is the most effective period in the n r AS history. Um. 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:49.120 They're influential after that, but obviously in the last couple 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.400 of years they've started to fall apart as an organization. 0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.160 So really Carter builds this machine and he hands it 0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.880 off to Wayne Lapierre and from nine to two thousand 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.560 five or six, it really it lays a lot of 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.560 the groundwork for making it kind of impossible to have 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.719 not to have conversations about gun control that are productive 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.040 or to pass laws that are productive. Because in two 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:12.880 thousand you get Emmerson v. United States, which is the 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.480 first Supreme Court case that makes it that that recognizes 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:20.520 the second as an individual right. UM. And it's not 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.239 really clear entirely what that means until d C versus 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.520 Heller in two thousand eight, and one of the things 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.120 DC versus Heller says is that like you can't you 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:32.440 can't just say people can't own a class of firearm, right, um, 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:35.000 like a handgun, right, Like you can't just say no handguns, 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.400 you know, like like what Canada is at something to 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:38.920 do right now, Like you're not allowed to do that. 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.200 And then in two thousand and ten the Second Amendment 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.600 gets incorporated. So really that like ten is kind of 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:47.640 the most important period of actual things the n r 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.400 A accomplishes. And because of rampant corruption on behalf of Lapierre, 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.759 they start to fall apart after that. But the things 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:57.400 that they've set up, both legally and and culturally, and 0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.239 the cultural stuff particularly started under Characas. He was a 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:02.600 big absolutist. He was a big believer of their coming 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:04.960 for your guns. This is like part of a communist takeover. 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:07.359 This is part of like people who are not white 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.279 trying to take over the country and like we need 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:15.319 these you know that. Um that is is uh, yeah, 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:20.279 that's what that's what goes down. Yeah, man, thanks for that. 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:26.160 Yeah that uh, drying of the concrete that like this 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.200 is the discussion. This is the only way we look 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.480 at it. And if you look at this any differently, 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:39.360 you out the set is is it? It took that 0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:41.560 decade to get there. And I'm even like tripping, like, 0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:44.640 who'se homie that just got like the homie that just 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.680 got like, uh, you know, busted for corruption that was 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.920 leading it. What's the homie's name? Oh fucking Wayne Lapierrea. Yeah, 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.480 I was Wayne Lapierre. But they still just didn't they 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:59.040 just read they just read still like he's there's some good. 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.080 There's a good podcast. Asked on what happened in the 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:03.759 n r A one secon I'm gonna look this up 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:07.640 because people should listen to it, uh, because it really 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.360 goes into like how fucking corrupt and shitty he is, 0:47:11.120 --> 0:47:13.880 but he's still in charge and that I think that 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.560 I think that is a credit to how effective Carter 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:23.800 was turning the n r A into an unparalleled like 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:27.279 political Yeah, we've really never seen nothing like it. That 0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:31.080 like you, no matter what anyone actually thinks or feels, 0:47:31.640 --> 0:47:33.960 you got a total line and you can't you know 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.880 what I'm saying. So and that and the idea of 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:42.320 like turning an issue into your very identity is a 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.640 power that I feel like, uh for this is like 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.440 why her politics exist because it's like we understand that. 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.879 I understand how that happens. You know. What I'm saying 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:58.560 is that an issue becomes an identity and to break 0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:05.360 that is very, very very difficult. And another thing that 0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:08.920 the n r A does that Democrats have never understood 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.000 and I don't know if they ever will, is the 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:16.880 political value of setting the definition. Because they're they're the 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:21.080 worst at this, They're unbelievably And this is a thing 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.560 I was a debate kid, right, when you when you're 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.600 doing a competition debate, you start with your definitions, right, 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:29.160 And there's the logical argument to be made. If you're 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.560 having an actual friendly debate over issues with like somebody 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.759 that you care about and you're both willing to like 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.560 learn something, it's very helpful to start with. Here is 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:41.600 what I mean when I say the first, you know, whatever, 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.720 first Amendment. Here's what I mean when I say like government, 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:46.960 like liberty or whatever. Like, Here's what I mean when 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:48.520 I say Here's what I mean when I say a 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.879 red flag law. Right, Here's what when when I say 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:52.920 red flag law. This is what I'm what I mean, right, 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.080 if you're having a good faith discussion, it's useful to 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.880 do that because then you're not arguing against a shadow. Right, Like, 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:01.799 I think we've all been in a situation where you're 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:03.719 like having an argument with somebody you care about, and 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.000 then you realize that you're not actually disagreeing, you just 0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:09.600 are defining different the same thing in different ways. And 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.640 so like that's where the arguments coming up. That happens 0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.479 between people of good will. If you're not a person 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.040 of goodwill, if you want to just like fuck the discussion, 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.239 then you And then again, the right does this with 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.200 everything you hop in and you say, a red flag 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:25.640 law means a law that will allow the police to 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:29.839 take guns away from Republicans because they yeah, because they 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:31.759 believe in this or they believe in that, like the 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:35.520 they'll define you know, that is a a um and 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.840 and this is again part of what's toxic about this 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:42.000 is that it it makes it impossible to have important discussions. 0:49:42.000 --> 0:49:44.280 So an important discussion about our red flag laws. Okay, 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.360 we're saying we want to take guns away from people 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.520 who are violent, people who make threats. Um, let's make 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.200 sure this law is written in such a way that 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:55.640 the police cannot just say, well, I think being a 0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:59.640 BLM organizer is you're mentally unstable, so let's go bust 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:01.080 into this guy's house and take his gun and know 0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.640 we got shot. That's a real fear. It's a real 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.400 fear that they might say, oh, if you're trans that's 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:06.960 a mental illness, you don't get to have guns. That 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:10.120 is a real legitimate fear. Absolutely, and of course, to 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:13.759 be to be entirely fair, it's not unreasonable for conservatives 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:15.200 to be like, well, if if you're gonna make a 0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:16.880 red flag law, I want to know that you're not 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:21.000 going to define my politics. Is making me like that 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.719 is not an unreasonable fear. But when you just say 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.799 that's what this is, and when you you start fearmongering 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.200 about then there cannot be a discussion about it, right 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:31.560 because you have defined the law in such a way 0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.120 that like this is. And if you're if you have 0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:37.440 more competent people who were Democrats about this sort of thing, 0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:39.719 they would be pushing against them. And I think doing 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.040 stuff more like saying, let we want a law to 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.400 take guns from people who hit their wives and kids. Right, 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:46.560 we wake a law to take guns away from people 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:48.960 who threatened mass shootings. Right, clear, that's what we want. Right. 0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.319 That's harder to fight than like just saying we want 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.520 a red flag lag to find a like right, this 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.279 is again and this is what the the n r 0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:00.600 A pioneers this and now it's everything right now, it's 0:51:00.719 --> 0:51:04.320 um the like the right is in the process of 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:09.160 defining support for LGBT rights. It's like support for grooming. Grooming. Yes, 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.520 it's like yeah, if you say this, then that means 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:15.600 you're that. And by the time you start arguing with them, 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.360 because some chunk of people are going to get are 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.399 going to like get caught up in that, and we'll 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:23.400 start like being like, well, obviously I don't like this 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.080 or I don't like that, and so like this must 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.160 not be okay, and so like let's have a discussion 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:29.120 about what stuff we should be and like then you're 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.520 on their side. Yeah, no matter what, even if you 0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:34.080 think you're being reasonable, you have yielded the floor to 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:38.800 these files. Um. And that's that's and that's really like 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.560 really that's like that to me, what you're saying is 0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:44.760 dull because that's like that's that's the type of training, 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:47.239 Like you said, like a lot of us need to 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.440 have to where it's like I'm not gonna let you 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:54.160 define my terms. And and it's this especially range true 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:57.520 for black people because you're now all of a sudden 0:51:57.640 --> 0:51:59.239 and I feel like black people is not letting you 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:02.080 have it. Like you can't define woke. I don't care 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:03.600 what the funk you say it is. That's not what 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.960 it is. You know what I'm saying. You can't want 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.320 critical race theory. You're just telling each other that's what 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.160 it means. Yeah, we know that's not what it means. 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.560 On what the you talking about? You know that they've 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.840 done with Sorry, Yeah, but like that's incredibly important. What 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.239 you've said, what they've done with critical race theory is 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:21.520 the same ship. It's the n r A playbook, and 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.360 it it makes it impossible. It makes it impossible for 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.719 you to have a productive discussion, and it makes it 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:30.480 impossible for them. Two, it makes it impossible for their 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.160 voters to think about stuff like if you actually I mean, 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:37.040 among other things, yeah, it's it's. Yeah. My biggest fight 0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:38.800 with that is most of the time is like you 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:40.920 don't even know what it means. So I can't even 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.240 I don't even know what we're arguing over like because 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:46.960 you don't know what it means. What you're saying is 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:50.880 not critical race theory. What you're saying is teaching about history. 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.760 You're scared of a boogeyman that isn't really. You're scared 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.080 of a boogeyman that isn't really. You made that up, 0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.759 and now you're going to engage with this. It's not happen, yes, 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.560 Like what makes it of is not a thing, and 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:05.680 you need to like you're just trying to justify censorship, 0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:09.120 Like that's the that's the appropriate response. But they keep 0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:12.279 getting caught up and this is it's amazing. Again. One 0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.520 of the things that's important about studying Carter and studying 0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:16.080 the history of the n r A is this is 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:18.880 a very old set of strat tactics super um and 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.440 it ext it's um in a lot of ways. It's 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:27.239 like early ship posting, right, but you there's not they're not. 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:31.800 I amn't seeing the fucking Dems figure out a solution 0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:35.759 to this ship yet. Um. I think I know how 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:41.120 to deal with it. Um. But it's also like it's 0:53:43.400 --> 0:53:46.839 so much is caught up, so much of like our 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:49.640 potential to have a future is caught up. In whether 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.319 or not people who are in politics figure out how 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.759 to deal with this bad faith shit. Um and I 0:53:57.040 --> 0:53:59.320 I I don't think they are. And part of it 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:05.000 is that they have built their fundraising arm around the 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:08.359 terms that the right has successfully defined to their people 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:12.719 in a specific way. Right, And so instead of having 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.560 more productive discussions about some of this stuff and more 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:19.960 productive discussions about like how to protect people, it all 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:23.560 occurs within this kind of this kind of framework of 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:27.319 like catch phrases that are good at getting the base 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.680 grilled up and getting fun and good at putting together you. 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.080 It's it's like this ship with like the governor Louisiana, 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:36.160 right Democrat. There's this anti trans you know, um kids 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:39.680 in sports law that just like passed. He could have 0:54:39.800 --> 0:54:42.960 vetoed it instead he he neglect He said he was 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.080 not going to veto it, but posted like a tearful 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.719 video about how much he supports trans kids. Yeah, and 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:49.600 like I'm sure he's gonna fund raise off that, right, 0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.520 Like it's good, it's gonna be fine, but you could 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:57.360 do something, Yeah. I I flash to a moment years, years, 0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:03.000 years back during the a bathroom thing. You know, we 0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.080 was arguing over bathrooms. I remember it was a lady 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:09.480 at our chart twiies to go to that past us 0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.640 me and me and my wife. I'm like, hey, what 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:13.440 do you guys think about the bathroom thing? We were like, 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:17.840 it's fine, I don't care, Like you're my house is 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:19.719 my house is a gender neutral baute? You ever been 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:21.719 to a beach? Like those are all? Jena like what 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:23.800 are you talking about? Like this is stupid? And I 0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:25.839 remember the way that she looked at me, like her 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:27.680 eyes got big and she was just like, dude, I 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:31.200 like whispering. I totally agree. I don't understand a big deal. 0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:36.399 I don't like whispering, like like afraid to say, yeah, 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.040 I think this is Yeah, I don't understand what the 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.040 hubub is about. And I was like, that's that's what 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:47.400 I'm talking about, Like you know, even even even the 0:55:47.440 --> 0:55:49.680 stuff that's being defined to you as such, You're like, 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:53.239 well that's stupid, you know, Like Okay, so all of 0:55:53.280 --> 0:55:56.000 a sudden, sexual sault sexual salts are gonna happen if 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.240 we have gender neutral bathrooms, Like as if sexual saults 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.480 don't already happen, you know what I'm saying, Like, so 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:05.360 just this like hole in the logic that at your core. 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.680 You like, we're not even at your core, just like 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.120 in the front of your mind you're like this, well 0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:14.640 that don't even it. That don't bother me the way 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.799 you're telling me it's supposed to bother me. So your 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:21.400 question is am I tripping or y'all tripping? And what 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:25.320 I want all my listeners to say, you're to realize 0:56:25.360 --> 0:56:30.560 it's like, nah, you're not tripping. This it's bullshit. It 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.759 really is. And you ain't gotta like, you ain't gotta 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:36.680 you ain't gotta You ain't gotta tell the line. You 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.760 ain't gotta tell the line if you honestly, especially around 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:43.080 this thing like don't be afraid to tell you know, 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:47.040 young seventh grade prop when your gang is chasing me, 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.040 Hey homie, you gotta get out the bathroom because they're 0:56:51.080 --> 0:57:00.160 gonna jump you. And I think that's stupid. Yeah, yeah, well, well, 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:02.560 kind there's probably more that should be said about this. 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:06.080 I get like, you know, I I come at this 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:09.560 from a fundamentally different perspective than a lot of Democrats, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:13.480 because I am something of an absolutist in the right 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:15.880 to self defense and the right to be armed. Fundamentally, 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:17.680 I don't think the cops should be able to own 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:20.640 anything that I can't UM, And I'm I'm not wild 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:24.080 about the idea of a national military, um of a 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:28.800 standing national military. But uh, like I and you know, 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.880 obviously there's people on the left side of the program 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:37.280 movement who are absolutely no, no compromise, no law type things. 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:40.360 I'm not. I tend to think there ship you can do. Like, 0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:43.040 I don't know, I'm not against the idea of fucking 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.920 like waiting periods. Inherently, I think there should be some 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.320 option for like, if you've already got a collection or 0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:50.280 a c h L. Like, why would a waiting period 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.120 apply to you? You already have guns. It's not like 0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.000 it's kind of matter. But like, yeah, there's enough people 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.760 who like buy a gun and kill themselves that that day, 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:00.480 or enough people who like buy a gun that fucking 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:02.680 guy who shot up that hospital the same day, and 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.240 maybe if you could cool him down right, Like again, 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:08.520 there's there's stuff I think that can be done and 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.320 and that should be talked about, because even though I 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:14.080 don't think the overall I don't think the fundamental solutions 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:16.440 to the fundamental problems that we're talking about today, any 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:18.680 of them will be done by voting or passing laws 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:22.160 because it's too big, you know, like fundamentally you're dealing 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:24.080 with fucking white supremacy here and you're not kind of 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:27.240 voted out. Um. And also, I don't think you should 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:32.160 stop people who are poor or or like of normal 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:35.120 income from being able to arm themselves, which is another 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.640 thing Democrats keep proposing. It's like, let's put a thousand 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:39.760 percent excise tax in an a R fifteen, so it's 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:43.160 five thousand dollars. Rich people should happen, right, that's the 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.400 Is that what's gonna make Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, because 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:49.200 the kid at fucking Uvaldi just got a credit card 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:51.600 and bought like a three or four thousand dollar firearm 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:53.800 and like managed it because he didn't care about paying 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:55.760 it back. So like maybe well let's talk about some 0:58:55.880 --> 0:59:00.960 other solutions. Um. But um yeah, So I have I 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.840 come I come at this from like a different position, 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.960 but I do think I think it's immoral to be like, 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:11.480 let's just not talk about doing anything, because I don't like, 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:17.560 like it's people are fucking like Vivaldi, Parkland, fucking Sandy Hook. 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:19.840 Like it's fucked up to say, like, well, there's nothing 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:22.720 that should be attempted here um or or to say 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.080 let's just turn schools into fortresses. I don't like that. 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:27.760 That's not good for kids, that's good for anything. So 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.560 I think, like I would love it if we could 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:34.520 do something, um. But also I think it is it's 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:38.200 it's also immoral too. It's a moral fundamentally if you 0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:40.160 are the Democratic a democratic voter, but if you are 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.280 a Democrat in power, it is immorl to not be 0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:44.840 fucking better at seeing what these people are doing and 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.080 how they get away with what they're doing. Um. And 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.160 the fact that if they haven't for so fucking long, 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.560 and it extends everywhere, it's crt if the anti transplantic 0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:57.560 it's all the same playbook. You have to fucking understand 0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:01.280 what they're doing and and actually fight it effectively, as 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:04.120 opposed to just use the fear of the fuccory that 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:07.520 they're doing to drive people to like register to blue 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:11.360 no matter who. Um. And if they were actually doing that, 1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.520 the right wouldn't be winning as often as they are. 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:19.720 Heep preaching that boy preaching, Now, you're right, man. It's 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:21.880 like when you're just trying to put your finger on jello. 1:00:22.040 --> 1:00:24.960 You're just gonna be chasing, chasing the gloves, and that's 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:28.280 basically what democrats doing. They just chasing these gloves, playing 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:32.320 whack a mole. And it's funny to watch, in funny 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:34.240 in a horrible way, in a sense that like they're 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.000 just like, yeah, nah, keep chasing us. You know, you're 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:40.520 just you're just swinging a person around, you know, and 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:42.720 laughing as you're doing it, you know what I'm saying. 1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:48.120 So yeah, nah nailed it. Yeah, thank you for that, Robert, 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:53.400 thank you. This was fun. Yeah, dog like dude, I mean, 1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:58.160 everybody know who you already, and you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:00.480 I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta book. It's 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.800 called After the Revolution. You can find it everywhere right now, 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:06.720 including on on on the the Amazons if you, if 1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:09.160 you are so inclined, man, that book is very fun. 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:13.320 Thank you. I enjoy, you know, fun in a in 1:01:13.440 --> 1:01:17.440 an entertaining still pretty sad But yeah, it was fun 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:22.240 in an entertaining, still pretty sad way to write. Joe. Yeah, 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:26.840 all right, and uh, Sophie right there, get off, get 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:33.040 off there, Sophie, say what's up there? It is? Sophie 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.560 is the greatest at holding her tongue when she has comments. 1:01:35.640 --> 1:01:41.160 I've never seen him wye so good at it does? Anyway, Well, 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:44.240 that's the show. It'll probably be. This will most likely 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:46.360 be the second part because this is over an hour 1:01:46.760 --> 1:01:49.280 and uh, because that boy Rob got hot. You know 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.560 what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.880 a I'm gonna have Matt play some Oregon hits under 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:56.560 there done. You know what I'm saying. Make you sound 1:01:56.600 --> 1:02:00.720 like a preacher. All right? Anyway, all right, shows over 1:02:08.920 --> 1:02:18.080 means yeah, this is here. Thing was recorded by Me 1:02:18.280 --> 1:02:22.600 Propaganda and East Low Spoil Heights, Los Angeles, California. This 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:28.320 smug was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by Matt Ososki. 1:02:28.680 --> 1:02:30.880 I can totally say his name, guys, it was it 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:33.680 was a stick. He's going by Matt now again because 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:36.960 he got two legal situations with the name Headlights. You know, 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:39.880 commen used to be called common sense tip t I 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:43.480 was tipped Sometimes it happens. Executive produced by the one 1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:48.120 and Only Sophie Lichtman for a Cool Zone Media and 1:02:48.840 --> 1:02:51.880 the theme music by the one and only Gold Tips 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:55.000 Gold Tips d J Shawan p So y'all just remember 1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:58.880 listen every time you check in. If you understand city living, 1:02:59.160 --> 1:03:08.440 you understand politics. See how next week you Maine, Maine. 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:21.160 When he means want you, he means