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Speaker 1: Recording in progress. Recording in progress. All right, y'all, welcome

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Speaker 1: to politics, will prop This is a fun episode. I

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Speaker 1: got everyone's favorite huh connect here, Robert Evans. I swear

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Speaker 1: to you, you would be the greatest plug, Like if

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Speaker 1: you lived in the Inner city I have been occasionally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'd be the greatest plug because number one, you're fearless,

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Speaker 1: and number two, it's like you you seem to be

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Speaker 1: able to get your hands on anything. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know I I I used to be a lot more

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Speaker 1: fearful of that sort of ship like it was a

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Speaker 1: nice maybe this is just being a white guy, but

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Speaker 1: leaving the Deep South for California and the West Coast,

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Speaker 1: it was like, oh, suddenly I'm way less scared about

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Speaker 1: driving drugs around in my car. That's pretty true. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna open up the woll before I before

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Speaker 1: I go to this story, I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: a question just off the head that I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it would be a fun exercise right

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Speaker 1: now off the head. Can you think of as many

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Speaker 1: like nickname terms for guns? Right now? Just off the head?

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Speaker 1: How many nicknames can you think of? Just rabble them? Off? Heater?

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Speaker 1: A strap, a piece. Uh, I mean nicknames and not

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Speaker 1: like just like a side arm um a bang stick

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Speaker 1: um boomstick um yeah, blicky Berner, chopper, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Shopper, Yeah, yeah, I just burner and heater,

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Speaker 1: I feel yeah, that's those there's your cousins. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: burner a heater. I just think, uh, there is. I

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Speaker 1: don't know there's anything besides like sex and guns that

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Speaker 1: has more nicknames. Yeah. I've always been partial to strap.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that's the one that I

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Speaker 1: find most satisfying. I think strap helps. I think strap

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Speaker 1: like in a lot of ways. I also feel like

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Speaker 1: the slang you turn you use for your gun has

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with like the year you graduated

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Speaker 1: high school. Yes, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that, you know what I'm saying. So like, yes,

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Speaker 1: strap is like, yeah, you listen to nineties rap, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's why exactly that strap. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yeah, you know, don't make you

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Speaker 1: have to grab my strap, go rat tat tat tat.

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Speaker 1: If it's chopper, it's like, well, you you've listened to

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Speaker 1: Southern rap, you know, what I'm saying, like you were

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Speaker 1: in the trap music, so you know anyway, and then

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Speaker 1: there's blicky, which is what I name. That's why I

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Speaker 1: haven't heard that one. Blicky Blacky is what the young

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Speaker 1: boys use. You know, Yeah, it's blicky. You know a

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Speaker 1: lot of times. What is what is the etymology because

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Speaker 1: all the others heater obviously it's hot, right a strap

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Speaker 1: you like strap a gun on? You know, uh, the

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Speaker 1: pieces obvious, Like what is what is a blicky? I

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Speaker 1: have no idea, Robert, Okay, you have no idea where

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Speaker 1: it came. Bro I just heard the little home he

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Speaker 1: say it. You hope to say it because I never

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Speaker 1: know with with the kids sling, I never know if

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Speaker 1: they're just working with us, right, like if there is

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Speaker 1: trick the old people into thinking blicky was a thing. Alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: producer here, producer here, Blicky means a pistol. To blick

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Speaker 1: someone down is to gun them down. The term blicky

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Speaker 1: has been used by every top forty rap artist you've

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Speaker 1: ever listened to in the last five years. Oh okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: to blick That makes sense because so they turned a

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Speaker 1: like calling it a gap because it's like like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I forgot about get Yeah. That makes so many slings.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of slag for guns. Yeah, because of

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Speaker 1: the obvious love affair that all of America has for God. Boy,

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Speaker 1: we sure do love guns. God we love these things.

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Speaker 1: We love guns more than maybe any other country has

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Speaker 1: ever loved, like a thing that isn't bread or some

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Speaker 1: anything that's not food or condiment or yeah, because the

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Speaker 1: it's a comprehensive love that is normally reserved for food stuffs. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a like a stand in for your national and cultural identity,

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Speaker 1: same way like hummus. Right, Like there's this massive conflict

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Speaker 1: over hummus in in in Palestine with the Israelis anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into that, but like it's there's

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Speaker 1: this is our this is our Nigerian jall off Rice

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Speaker 1: which is just a matter of observation, not of evaluation anyway.

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Speaker 1: So sentences the politics, it must start with some sort

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Speaker 1: of connection to uh inner cityhood living. I'ma tell y'all story,

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Speaker 1: and then get into what we actually want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine in Robert, in some way, shape

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Speaker 1: or form, you may have a similar sort of memory.

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Speaker 1: M hmm. Maybe not the same, but similar. So I

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Speaker 1: grew up you people heard this many times. You've heard

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Speaker 1: is we still went to church every Sunday, right, and

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Speaker 1: in going to church, you know, our churches were very

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Speaker 1: like that. They was just like, don't join a gang

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Speaker 1: our youth ministry. That being said, we went off to

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Speaker 1: other little white wonderbread you know church. We did youth

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Speaker 1: camp like everybody else. The only difference is youth camp

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Speaker 1: cost too much. But every year I know this now

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Speaker 1: everyone's having different experiences. Some people are having a good time,

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Speaker 1: most of them decided that they just ain't like me,

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Speaker 1: right for whatever reason, I just happened to be their target, right,

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Speaker 1: So once they decided that, uh, any anything I ever

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of like the attitude of my little

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Speaker 1: but you're generally you're just gonna get your ass feats. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to attack you one on one. They're not.

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Speaker 1: It's not in a single file that they attack like movies. No,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's urinals, it's toy Like, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: But the rules are you just can't speak up because

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Speaker 1: even if you do, even if you like, I'm down

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Speaker 1: for the them, down for the set, But like I

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Speaker 1: know out here in Cali we just sent off our

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Speaker 1: our our primary ballots. Uh. Funny thing about the end

425
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Speaker 1: of mass slavery in the beginning of reconstruction. The weird

426
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Speaker 1: middle between that and the Black codes was once we

427
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Speaker 1: got the right, we had rights to vote, you know

428
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Once we was finally set free, and

429
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Speaker 1: what did we do? Well, we voted right and caused

430
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Speaker 1: some problems. And that was the problem because we started putting.

431
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Speaker 1: It was like all black governments because there was more

432
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Speaker 1: of us. And we was like, well, you're telling me

433
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Speaker 1: I get to say as to who in charge, Well,

434
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Speaker 1: I want my uncle in charge because he ain't gonna

435
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Speaker 1: with me. That man never owned me. Right, So it

436
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Speaker 1: worked right, and once it worked, just like hold on

437
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: now wait this this this working too good. So they said, okay,

438
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Speaker 1: now we can't have everybody vote. You can vote if

439
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Speaker 1: yo grandmama could vote. Right, it was like Okay, yeah,

440
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Speaker 1: fother what we're doing here. It's like it's like I

441
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Speaker 1: get it. That's like very sneaky, but yes, yes, it's

442
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Speaker 1: like oh so okay, I see what you did. Dare

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Uh so, so take that

444
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Speaker 1: theory about like, oh crap, it actually works. Was the same, Well,

445
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Speaker 1: the Pathers realized it's like, wait a minute, we have

446
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Speaker 1: to right to bear arms. Yeah, and all thanks to

447
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Speaker 1: the First Civil Rights Act there were that's what like

448
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: because initially after emancipation, there was like a whole a

449
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Speaker 1: year or two where it was like, well they still

450
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Speaker 1: don't there's nothing that guarantees these people rights even though

451
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Speaker 1: they've been emancipated. And then Congress was like okay, fuck

452
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Speaker 1: you like yes, yeah exactly and yeah. So after that point, yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: and this was like not it didn't start with the

454
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Speaker 1: panthers because there's like, um, what was it that it

455
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Speaker 1: was in nineteen nineteen when there was like that series

456
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Speaker 1: of like mass lynchings and stuff like. Yeah, of like uh,

457
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Speaker 1: black communities being like, we have a right to bear

458
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Speaker 1: arms and all these people want us dead. We should

459
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Speaker 1: probably we should get some guns. Yeah you know what

460
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Speaker 1: I'm saying so like like, don't think we pacifist. You

461
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: feel me like, yeah, I'm a passive fists. Yeah exactly.

462
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Speaker 1: There's if you've had like members of your family murdered

463
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Speaker 1: in the woods by mobs, you're you can't really be

464
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Speaker 1: a pacifist. No, you're gonna carry guns, saying so do

465
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Speaker 1: something right. So, yeah, so you know we you had

466
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Speaker 1: open cary laws. He was like, all right, well you

467
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: say we could have them. So we've been to have

468
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: them and they say, wait, wait, hold on, hold on,

469
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Speaker 1: we want y'all to have them. Yeah, that's whoa what

470
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: made you think you guys? Wait, you had this right.

471
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Speaker 1: We didn't think this through. So so you know, the

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Speaker 1: n R change day tune wants the uh wants the

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Speaker 1: panther started actually listening to what I had to say.

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Speaker 1: And there was there's an article that just came out

475
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Speaker 1: today as we would record this in Salon that was like, um,

476
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Speaker 1: let me, I haven't pulled up here because it was

477
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Speaker 1: a pretty incredible, pretty incredible title and an example of like, hey, guys,

478
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: maybe rethink the way you're framing something. Um, where is this? Okay? Yeah,

479
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Speaker 1: So there's this article in Salon when Ronald Reagan's racism

480
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Speaker 1: saved lives, armed black men ment immediate gun control. Now

481
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Speaker 1: they deleted that tweet and I think renamed or maybe

482
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Speaker 1: even cut the article. I haven't checked, but like, oh my,

483
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Speaker 1: guess you could just not say that. Yeah, there's a

484
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Speaker 1: lot you can say about guten control that isn't that. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: we don't need to make that point, hey man, Yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: maybe not, maybe not say everything ogging you know, it's

487
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: this thing that keeps like you you catch this and

488
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Speaker 1: again not to say that obviously it's not racist to

489
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Speaker 1: like look at children getting a massacred in the school

490
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Speaker 1: and being like the funk we we have to be

491
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Speaker 1: able to do something like not making that claim in

492
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Speaker 1: any way, but you do. There is this strain of

493
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Speaker 1: like liberals who will repeatedly bring up like, well, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: if we just gave every black man an a R fifteen,

495
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Speaker 1: there'd be a gun control and it's like, guys, that's

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Speaker 1: not really that's still pretty the thing to hit, you know,

497
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Speaker 1: like pretty racist, Like I don't know if you know

498
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Speaker 1: that need to make that point, yes, yeah, man? So yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: so income to panthers day change a story. There's this coup,

500
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Speaker 1: like a literal coup in nineteen seven seven with this

501
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Speaker 1: guy Harlan Carter, who essentially radicalized he took over the

502
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Speaker 1: leadership Bohich, I wish I wouldn't know what that look

503
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Speaker 1: like like practically, like how did that actually look? I

504
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Speaker 1: can tell you that you can. You don't go into

505
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: much detail about this and the the show, but yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: So it's the way the n r A worked is

507
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Speaker 1: like and and it's not like specifically the n r A.

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Speaker 1: The n r A is like a type of organization

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Speaker 1: that there's like a legal framework for in the United States.

510
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Speaker 1: And it's one example of that. Um, Like people will

511
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Speaker 1: bring up a lot that, um, they didn't cancel their

512
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Speaker 1: their membership meeting and I think it was Colorado after

513
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Speaker 1: the after column mine. Um. And a thing that like

514
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Speaker 1: the n r A defenders will note and kind of

515
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Speaker 1: like its defense is that like, well, it's legally required

516
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Speaker 1: for us to hold a voting meeting and to give

517
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Speaker 1: people X number of days of like warning about like

518
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Speaker 1: where it's going to be, so we couldn't change the meeting,

519
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: but like we canceled a bunch of anyway whatever. There's

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Speaker 1: like a type of structure for an organization at the

521
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Speaker 1: n r A is. And one of the things that

522
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Speaker 1: means is that you have this like managing council basically

523
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Speaker 1: a board of directors, right, and you have some like

524
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Speaker 1: elected officials who are run the n r A and

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Speaker 1: as a general rule, they're in charge of of like

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Speaker 1: what the n r A does and says, right, But

527
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Speaker 1: you also have a group of lifetime members, and the

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Speaker 1: lifetime members get a vote, right, And it's kind of

529
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Speaker 1: like if you can get enough lifetime members to like

530
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Speaker 1: agree to motions in the room during this yearly meeting,

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Speaker 1: they can pass motions and whatnot without the board of

532
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Speaker 1: directors type organization or the elected officials wanting that or

533
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Speaker 1: saying that. Right. It's kind of like, you know, you

534
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Speaker 1: could like it's almost like they have kind of a

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Speaker 1: republic democracy sort of set up. But there's also this

536
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Speaker 1: you could the people, you know, the people who are

537
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Speaker 1: lifetime members can do a um um can do like

538
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Speaker 1: a what's the fucking term when you like just pull

539
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Speaker 1: the electorate on something and make the make a law

540
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Speaker 1: based on that. UM. I don't know, it's like a plebiscite, right,

541
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Speaker 1: So if you can, if you can whip and this

542
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: had not really ever been done before, right, like it was.

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00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: It was like it was kind of like a procedural

544
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Speaker 1: thing where like, oh yeah, technically they could like all

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Speaker 1: vote and just add things to like the n r

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Speaker 1: A charter directly and like dismiss the board. It's possible,

547
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Speaker 1: But like it never mattered, right, Like it mattered was

548
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Speaker 1: who was on the board and who was like the

549
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: the elected leaders at that point and whatnot. And so

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00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: it was very much like there's this kind of like

551
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Speaker 1: gentrified aristocracy that was running the n r A, and

552
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Harlan Carter and this other fucking dude who was a

553
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: popular editor for a bunch of different gun magazines got

554
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: together and whipped a bunch of votes right like they would.

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00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: They spent like the entire year beforehand going around to

556
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Speaker 1: people going around a different lifetime members, prominent folks within

557
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: the n r A community, people who were like kind

558
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: of celebrities within that world, and getting them to get

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Speaker 1: their friends on board. And then they like rented a

560
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: bunch of hotel rooms during the event and spent days

561
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: like getting all of their people in line for the

562
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: big voting meeting um, and then when it happened, basically

563
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: they just put enough people who agreed with them in

564
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Speaker 1: this massive room where they were doing what was supposed

565
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Speaker 1: to be kind of a pro forma vote thing to

566
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Speaker 1: like decide on you know, a couple of minor is

567
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: not not even mine. It. There was like they wanted

568
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: to the n r A old Guard wanted to put

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Speaker 1: together like a sporting center in Colorado, which these guys

570
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: didn't like because they saw it as like a move

571
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Speaker 1: towards the n r A is just a sporting organization,

572
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: is supposed to a Second AMENDNAC organization. So they got

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Speaker 1: all these people together in the room and like mobbed

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00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: them and fucking it was um. You know, they basically

575
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Speaker 1: swarmed them and had so many people there that they

576
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Speaker 1: were able to vote out the old Guard and like

577
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Speaker 1: vote in a bunch of things, including a statement that

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Speaker 1: the n r A was a Second Amendment advocacy the

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Speaker 1: organization um and like it took it over. Harlan Carter

580
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: was running the n r A by the end of

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Speaker 1: the meeting. He walked into the meeting having resigned from

582
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: the n r A like a year ago, and he

583
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: left the meeting in charge. Crazy look and and that

584
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: that is like that is a master class in how

585
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: to do politics. What you just laid out. That's a

586
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: master class in policy. He did the thing that the

587
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: right always does, which is they like look at what

588
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: the letter of the rules and then figure out a

589
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: way that those haven't been used yet so that people

590
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: won't expect them to like take power in that way. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

591
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that food did that. Um little story

592
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: about him. When he was a teenager, he shot a

593
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: little Mexican boy, got away with it, Casiano. Ye, when

594
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Speaker 1: he was seventeen. When he was seventeen, he shot a

595
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Speaker 1: little fifteen year old. He used to lead the US,

596
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the US border patrol. He started Operation wet Back. You

597
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: heard me, he started Operation wet Back, right. So, this

598
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: militarization of our borders, Yeah, it's the birth of like

599
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: the idea not just of like a border patrol, but

600
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Speaker 1: of a border patrol that's militarized and that can act

601
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Speaker 1: anywhere near a border, So not just the southern border,

602
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: but anywhere within a hundred miles of a border, which

603
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: is like two thirds of the US population. There's just

604
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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court ruling today on Bivens, which is like

605
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: a this kind of precedent case that basically the Supreme

606
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: Court said, actually, we don't think the federal government can

607
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: regulate what what the Border Patrol does in anyway. That

608
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: was essentially their claim that like, well, yeah, border patrol

609
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: like bust into your house. They don't need a reason.

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00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Um wow, yeah, Like it's it's a pretty fucked ruling.

611
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Speaker 1: We'll see how exactly it shakes out. I don't want

612
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: to get into too much detail because I'm not a

613
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: lawyer and the ruling just came out, but like he's

614
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: the start like all of these fucking problems that we

615
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: have with CBP, which is easily like our worst law

616
00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: enforcement agency. Um, start with Harlan Carter. Yeah that man,

617
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Speaker 1: I gotta think about that. Yeah, it's pretty not great.

618
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: That's dope. But yeah, the you know, slanging tanks two cops,

619
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Speaker 1: And obviously we have this like you know, you we

620
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: have this bloated spending in our military, you know, for

621
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: for like wars they're not fighting, right, and you just

622
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: got all this like yeah like insurgents fighting surplus stuff

623
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: that you gotta try to get your money back from

624
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: and you just sell it to cops, right, So when

625
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: you sell it to cops, and then what we talked about,

626
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: you know who we we I know, I still get

627
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: messages to this day about the behind the police thing.

628
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, like that's a super dope like recruiting video.

629
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Speaker 1: If it's like, dude, you want to you want to shoot,

630
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Speaker 1: You want to shoot a desert eagle, you know what

631
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. You want to drive a tank, but you're

632
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: afraid to go overseas to fight a war. Yeah, you

633
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: could die over there. These people don't shoot back, you

634
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's such a great, uh

635
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Speaker 1: recruiting thing. But anyway you could trace that back to

636
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Speaker 1: this full Harlan Carter. Harlan Carter. I wish somebody would

637
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Speaker 1: have slapped a ship out of him at some point.

638
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's the kind of thing where like

639
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: he grows up his dad is. So this is one

640
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: of the things. The US Mexican border, as as it

641
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: is now in like the way that it is conceived

642
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: of and thought of by people, Maybe it's like a

643
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: hundred ish years old, right, yes, because it used to

644
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: just be like this area where people lived and technically

645
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: it was the border between two countries. But also like

646
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: it took fucking if you were like in the government

647
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: in Austin in Texas. It took like days or weeks

648
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: to get out there. Right like that, they were not

649
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: like realistic concerns about immigration for a while because it

650
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: was just like not within the state's capacity to really

651
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: worry about too much. This starts to change in the

652
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Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds. Um. And one of the first, like

653
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: one of the thing that Harlan's Carter's dad is a

654
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: part of because he's one of the very first border

655
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: Border Patrol agents. There's this city called the Rado, which

656
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: is where he grows up and where he kills Raymond Casian.

657
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: It's like a border town and it's primarily Mexican. Um.

658
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: And it's so because it's primarily Mexican. It's run by Mexicans,

659
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: right because it was Mexico two decades ago. Yeah, they

660
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: like and and and nobody really thought much about it,

661
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: but he thought about it. The Border Patrol sends a

662
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: guy in and he's like, holy fuck, all these Mexicans

663
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: are in charge down here. Um. And like the Border

664
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Speaker 1: Patrol is friendly with the local police who are Mexican.

665
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: We got to change that. So they like clean house

666
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: at the Border Patrol. They send in guys in the

667
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Border Patrol like does drive by shootings of the police station. Um, yeah, yeah,

668
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: it's it's fucking gay shit. Um. And they take over,

669
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: like they take over the town in order to like

670
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Speaker 1: force a white spacis kind of like system over it, right.

671
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: And Harlan Carter's dad is the one doing that right

672
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: at the same time that he murders a Mexican kid, um,

673
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: claiming that he thought the kid had stolen his mom's car.

674
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Like this kid is out by a swimming hole by

675
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: the way when this happens. So that's like Harlon Carter,

676
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: like this was not like an accident. Harlan Carter was

677
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: a was a conscious soldier of white supremacy, um, going

678
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: out of his way to to do it better. Um.

679
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: And he was good at what he did. Um, which

680
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: is not great, not great at all anyway anyway, he

681
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: means so in r A and they're gonna take it

682
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: from our cold dead hands. Thanks Charleston Heston, you know, um,

683
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: which you know brings us again more to the to

684
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: the modern era where it became such a again an

685
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: identity flash point as far as like you know, it

686
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: was almost like like you said, this single person voters

687
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: thing you could almost see this like mad. It's like

688
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: this mad like almost like hungry, hungry hipposts. It's just

689
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: like mad grab for what issue is gonna belong to?

690
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: What people? So like this identity around guns, it was

691
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: just like Reagan and him was like dips, you know,

692
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying like that was ours, right, Yeah, after he

693
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: started gun control in California, after he started gun control

694
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: of California, which is like just the most bizarre things.

695
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: So anyway, um, it brings us to why in the world,

696
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: like how do you how do you get to a

697
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: place where surveyed of Republican gun owners who think that

698
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: there are some laws that actually makes sense, but won't

699
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: nobody say nothing? Why can't we get our elected officials

700
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: to do what your people is asking you to do?

701
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: And it's easy to just be like, well, it's the

702
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: n r A, because it kind of is. But what

703
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: what do they got? Like why y'all so scared of them?

704
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: Like that's that's one of the one of the interesting

705
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: questions that you know, we could ask if our politicians

706
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: are you so scared of him? Like what what they

707
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: got that we don't what you're Yeah, I'm mean, you know,

708
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a couple of things. So the n

709
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: r A after he takes over, I think a UM,

710
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: the modern n r A. One of the moments that

711
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: people will really say is like kind of the thing

712
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: that like is a useful kind of chapter point in

713
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: the history of the n r A is UM. I

714
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: think it was two thousand when Charlton Heston, you know,

715
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: holds that fucking ancient rifle up from my whole day.

716
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: And again it's at one of those in there was

717
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: justin nr A meeting, right like, it's it's one of

718
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: those yearly members meetings that he does this UM that's

719
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: generally picked as as kind of the moment, and part

720
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: of why is that you have Hart Carter steers it

721
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: towards Second Amendment like absolutism, and they start building on that.

722
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: They become very effective at lobbying, but they're not immediately effective.

723
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: And in one of the areas in which you can

724
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: see them being like less effective than they became is

725
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: that in nineteen ninety four, the Assault Weapons Band passes, right. UM.

726
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: A lot of debate over the degree to which it worked. UM.

727
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: There were less mass shootings under it. Actual gun violence

728
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: not really different as result of it like overall, this

729
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: gets into broader questions of like what gun violence actually

730
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: looks like versus what gun violence tends to get on

731
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: the news, because our fifteens are not a particularly common

732
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: gun used in gun violence compared to small handguns, which

733
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: is like nearly the vast majority. But anyway, that's outside

734
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: of the point you saw weapen span gets pass um.

735
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: It is past. A lot of other stuff is happening,

736
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: including you have Waco, you have Ruby Ridge, you have

737
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: the home the city bombing in this kind of period

738
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: immediately before and after the a w B, so a

739
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: lot of what happens with that is tight into the

740
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: militia movement. A lot of the militia movement UM is

741
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: kind of born in the shadow of the assault weapons

742
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: ban UM and the Republicans kind of it. It's it

743
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: takes you know, it's it's law for about a decade,

744
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: UM for a decade, and then it comes up basically

745
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: for renewal in two thousand four. And by the time

746
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: two thousand four comes around. In that decade, the n

747
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: r A has kind of solidified its position as the

748
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: most effective fundraising arm of the Republican Party. UM A

749
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: few years like twelve years after that, they'll give thirty

750
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: million dollars to Domin campaign at the least, right, and

751
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: like you know, it's hard to actually know how much

752
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: they give. The bag is too big. The bag is huge.

753
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: They give a lot funkload of money to George W. Bush.

754
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: And so George W. Bush does two things. One he

755
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: does not his administration there's no attempt to renew the

756
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: assault weapons Ban UM. And then the other thing he does,

757
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: like the next year, there's a push by the n

758
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: r A to put through this like law that makes

759
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: it impossible, basically makes it impossible to sue gun manufacturers

760
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: for what's done with their guns. UM. And there's a

761
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: couple of other things that happened in a similar time frame,

762
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: including Republicans And this is in the late nineties early

763
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: two thousand's strip all funding from the CDC to research

764
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: gun violence, UM and to research like what happens like

765
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: what what what is the health impact of guns? Rit? Large? Right, UM.

766
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: So all of this stuff is happening in this kind

767
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: of decade after the passage of the assault weapons Ban,

768
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: which really accelerates the growth because they have this the

769
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: the a WB is seen as this is proof that

770
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: they're coming for everything, right, like this was the first. Um,

771
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: You'll get a lot of statements like registration means confiscation,

772
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, sometimes not helped by Democratic

773
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: politicians who will literally say they want to confiscate all guns. Um.

774
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: But you get this. That decade is really and Carter

775
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: is dead by this point, but he he builds the

776
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: machine that makes that decade of activism. And this is

777
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: really that that ten year period two thousand and four

778
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: is the most effective period in the n r AS history. Um.

779
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: They're influential after that, but obviously in the last couple

780
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: of years they've started to fall apart as an organization.

781
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: So really Carter builds this machine and he hands it

782
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: off to Wayne Lapierre and from nine to two thousand

783
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: five or six, it really it lays a lot of

784
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: the groundwork for making it kind of impossible to have

785
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: not to have conversations about gun control that are productive

786
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: or to pass laws that are productive. Because in two

787
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: thousand you get Emmerson v. United States, which is the

788
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: first Supreme Court case that makes it that that recognizes

789
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: the second as an individual right. UM. And it's not

790
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: really clear entirely what that means until d C versus

791
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: Heller in two thousand eight, and one of the things

792
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: DC versus Heller says is that like you can't you

793
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: can't just say people can't own a class of firearm, right, um,

794
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: like a handgun, right, Like you can't just say no handguns,

795
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, like like what Canada is at something to

796
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: do right now, Like you're not allowed to do that.

797
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: And then in two thousand and ten the Second Amendment

798
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: gets incorporated. So really that like ten is kind of

799
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: the most important period of actual things the n r

800
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Speaker 1: A accomplishes. And because of rampant corruption on behalf of Lapierre,

801
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: they start to fall apart after that. But the things

802
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: that they've set up, both legally and and culturally, and

803
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: the cultural stuff particularly started under Characas. He was a

804
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: big absolutist. He was a big believer of their coming

805
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: for your guns. This is like part of a communist takeover.

806
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: This is part of like people who are not white

807
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: trying to take over the country and like we need

808
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: these you know that. Um that is is uh, yeah,

809
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: that's what that's what goes down. Yeah, man, thanks for that.

810
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah that uh, drying of the concrete that like this

811
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: is the discussion. This is the only way we look

812
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: at it. And if you look at this any differently,

813
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: you out the set is is it? It took that

814
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: decade to get there. And I'm even like tripping, like,

815
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: who'se homie that just got like the homie that just

816
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: got like, uh, you know, busted for corruption that was

817
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: leading it. What's the homie's name? Oh fucking Wayne Lapierrea. Yeah,

818
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: I was Wayne Lapierre. But they still just didn't they

819
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: just read they just read still like he's there's some good.

820
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: There's a good podcast. Asked on what happened in the

821
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Speaker 1: n r A one secon I'm gonna look this up

822
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: because people should listen to it, uh, because it really

823
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: goes into like how fucking corrupt and shitty he is,

824
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: but he's still in charge and that I think that

825
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that is a credit to how effective Carter

826
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: was turning the n r A into an unparalleled like

827
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: political Yeah, we've really never seen nothing like it. That

828
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: like you, no matter what anyone actually thinks or feels,

829
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: you got a total line and you can't you know

830
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So and that and the idea of

831
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: like turning an issue into your very identity is a

832
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: power that I feel like, uh for this is like

833
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: why her politics exist because it's like we understand that.

834
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: I understand how that happens. You know. What I'm saying

835
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: is that an issue becomes an identity and to break

836
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: that is very, very very difficult. And another thing that

837
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: the n r A does that Democrats have never understood

838
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they ever will, is the

839
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: political value of setting the definition. Because they're they're the

840
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: worst at this, They're unbelievably And this is a thing

841
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: I was a debate kid, right, when you when you're

842
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: doing a competition debate, you start with your definitions, right,

843
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: And there's the logical argument to be made. If you're

844
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: having an actual friendly debate over issues with like somebody

845
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: that you care about and you're both willing to like

846
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Speaker 1: learn something, it's very helpful to start with. Here is

847
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Speaker 1: what I mean when I say the first, you know, whatever,

848
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: first Amendment. Here's what I mean when I say like government,

849
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: like liberty or whatever. Like, Here's what I mean when

850
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: I say Here's what I mean when I say a

851
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: red flag law. Right, Here's what when when I say

852
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: red flag law. This is what I'm what I mean, right,

853
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: if you're having a good faith discussion, it's useful to

854
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: do that because then you're not arguing against a shadow. Right, Like,

855
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: I think we've all been in a situation where you're

856
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: like having an argument with somebody you care about, and

857
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: then you realize that you're not actually disagreeing, you just

858
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: are defining different the same thing in different ways. And

859
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: so like that's where the arguments coming up. That happens

860
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: between people of good will. If you're not a person

861
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: of goodwill, if you want to just like fuck the discussion,

862
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: then you And then again, the right does this with

863
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: everything you hop in and you say, a red flag

864
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: law means a law that will allow the police to

865
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: take guns away from Republicans because they yeah, because they

866
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: believe in this or they believe in that, like the

867
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: they'll define you know, that is a a um and

868
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: and this is again part of what's toxic about this

869
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: is that it it makes it impossible to have important discussions.

870
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: So an important discussion about our red flag laws. Okay,

871
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: we're saying we want to take guns away from people

872
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: who are violent, people who make threats. Um, let's make

873
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: sure this law is written in such a way that

874
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: the police cannot just say, well, I think being a

875
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: BLM organizer is you're mentally unstable, so let's go bust

876
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: into this guy's house and take his gun and know

877
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: we got shot. That's a real fear. It's a real

878
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: fear that they might say, oh, if you're trans that's

879
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: a mental illness, you don't get to have guns. That

880
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: is a real legitimate fear. Absolutely, and of course, to

881
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: be to be entirely fair, it's not unreasonable for conservatives

882
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: to be like, well, if if you're gonna make a

883
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: red flag law, I want to know that you're not

884
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: going to define my politics. Is making me like that

885
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: is not an unreasonable fear. But when you just say

886
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: that's what this is, and when you you start fearmongering

887
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: about then there cannot be a discussion about it, right

888
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: because you have defined the law in such a way

889
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: that like this is. And if you're if you have

890
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: more competent people who were Democrats about this sort of thing,

891
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: they would be pushing against them. And I think doing

892
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: stuff more like saying, let we want a law to

893
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: take guns from people who hit their wives and kids. Right,

894
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: we wake a law to take guns away from people

895
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: who threatened mass shootings. Right, clear, that's what we want. Right.

896
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: That's harder to fight than like just saying we want

897
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: a red flag lag to find a like right, this

898
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: is again and this is what the the n r

899
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: A pioneers this and now it's everything right now, it's

900
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: um the like the right is in the process of

901
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: defining support for LGBT rights. It's like support for grooming. Grooming. Yes,

902
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: it's like yeah, if you say this, then that means

903
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: you're that. And by the time you start arguing with them,

904
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: because some chunk of people are going to get are

905
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: going to like get caught up in that, and we'll

906
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: start like being like, well, obviously I don't like this

907
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: or I don't like that, and so like this must

908
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: not be okay, and so like let's have a discussion

909
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: about what stuff we should be and like then you're

910
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: on their side. Yeah, no matter what, even if you

911
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: think you're being reasonable, you have yielded the floor to

912
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 1: these files. Um. And that's that's and that's really like

913
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: really that's like that to me, what you're saying is

914
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 1: dull because that's like that's that's the type of training,

915
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: Like you said, like a lot of us need to

916
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: have to where it's like I'm not gonna let you

917
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: define my terms. And and it's this especially range true

918
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: for black people because you're now all of a sudden

919
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: and I feel like black people is not letting you

920
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: have it. Like you can't define woke. I don't care

921
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: what the funk you say it is. That's not what

922
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: it is. You know what I'm saying. You can't want

923
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: critical race theory. You're just telling each other that's what

924
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: it means. Yeah, we know that's not what it means.

925
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: On what the you talking about? You know that they've

926
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: done with Sorry, Yeah, but like that's incredibly important. What

927
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: you've said, what they've done with critical race theory is

928
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: the same ship. It's the n r A playbook, and

929
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: it it makes it impossible. It makes it impossible for

930
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: you to have a productive discussion, and it makes it

931
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: impossible for them. Two, it makes it impossible for their

932
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: voters to think about stuff like if you actually I mean,

933
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: among other things, yeah, it's it's. Yeah. My biggest fight

934
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: with that is most of the time is like you

935
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: don't even know what it means. So I can't even

936
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't even know what we're arguing over like because

937
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: you don't know what it means. What you're saying is

938
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: not critical race theory. What you're saying is teaching about history.

939
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: You're scared of a boogeyman that isn't really. You're scared

940
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: of a boogeyman that isn't really. You made that up,

941
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: and now you're going to engage with this. It's not happen, yes,

942
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: Like what makes it of is not a thing, and

943
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: you need to like you're just trying to justify censorship,

944
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: Like that's the that's the appropriate response. But they keep

945
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: getting caught up and this is it's amazing. Again. One

946
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: of the things that's important about studying Carter and studying

947
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: the history of the n r A is this is

948
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: a very old set of strat tactics super um and

949
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: it ext it's um in a lot of ways. It's

950
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: like early ship posting, right, but you there's not they're not.

951
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: I amn't seeing the fucking Dems figure out a solution

952
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: to this ship yet. Um. I think I know how

953
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: to deal with it. Um. But it's also like it's

954
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: so much is caught up, so much of like our

955
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: potential to have a future is caught up. In whether

956
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: or not people who are in politics figure out how

957
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: to deal with this bad faith shit. Um and I

958
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: I I don't think they are. And part of it

959
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: is that they have built their fundraising arm around the

960
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: terms that the right has successfully defined to their people

961
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: in a specific way. Right, And so instead of having

962
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: more productive discussions about some of this stuff and more

963
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: productive discussions about like how to protect people, it all

964
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: occurs within this kind of this kind of framework of

965
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: like catch phrases that are good at getting the base

966
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: grilled up and getting fun and good at putting together you.

967
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: It's it's like this ship with like the governor Louisiana,

968
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: right Democrat. There's this anti trans you know, um kids

969
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: in sports law that just like passed. He could have

970
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: vetoed it instead he he neglect He said he was

971
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: not going to veto it, but posted like a tearful

972
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: video about how much he supports trans kids. Yeah, and

973
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: like I'm sure he's gonna fund raise off that, right,

974
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: Like it's good, it's gonna be fine, but you could

975
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: do something, Yeah. I I flash to a moment years, years,

976
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: years back during the a bathroom thing. You know, we

977
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: was arguing over bathrooms. I remember it was a lady

978
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: at our chart twiies to go to that past us

979
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: me and me and my wife. I'm like, hey, what

980
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: do you guys think about the bathroom thing? We were like,

981
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: it's fine, I don't care, Like you're my house is

982
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: my house is a gender neutral baute? You ever been

983
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: to a beach? Like those are all? Jena like what

984
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like this is stupid? And I

985
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: remember the way that she looked at me, like her

986
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: eyes got big and she was just like, dude, I

987
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: like whispering. I totally agree. I don't understand a big deal.

988
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: I don't like whispering, like like afraid to say, yeah,

989
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: I think this is Yeah, I don't understand what the

990
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: hubub is about. And I was like, that's that's what

991
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Like you know, even even even the

992
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: stuff that's being defined to you as such, You're like,

993
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: well that's stupid, you know, Like Okay, so all of

994
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, sexual sault sexual salts are gonna happen if

995
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: we have gender neutral bathrooms, Like as if sexual saults

996
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: don't already happen, you know what I'm saying, Like, so

997
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: just this like hole in the logic that at your core.

998
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: You like, we're not even at your core, just like

999
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: in the front of your mind you're like this, well

1000
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: that don't even it. That don't bother me the way

1001
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: you're telling me it's supposed to bother me. So your

1002
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: question is am I tripping or y'all tripping? And what

1003
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: I want all my listeners to say, you're to realize

1004
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: it's like, nah, you're not tripping. This it's bullshit. It

1005
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: really is. And you ain't gotta like, you ain't gotta

1006
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: you ain't gotta You ain't gotta tell the line. You

1007
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: ain't gotta tell the line if you honestly, especially around

1008
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: this thing like don't be afraid to tell you know,

1009
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: young seventh grade prop when your gang is chasing me,

1010
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: Hey homie, you gotta get out the bathroom because they're

1011
00:56:51,080 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna jump you. And I think that's stupid. Yeah, yeah, well, well,

1012
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: kind there's probably more that should be said about this.

1013
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: I get like, you know, I I come at this

1014
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: from a fundamentally different perspective than a lot of Democrats,

1015
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: because I am something of an absolutist in the right

1016
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: to self defense and the right to be armed. Fundamentally,

1017
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the cops should be able to own

1018
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: anything that I can't UM, And I'm I'm not wild

1019
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: about the idea of a national military, um of a

1020
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: standing national military. But uh, like I and you know,

1021
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: obviously there's people on the left side of the program

1022
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: movement who are absolutely no, no compromise, no law type things.

1023
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. I tend to think there ship you can do. Like,

1024
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not against the idea of fucking

1025
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: like waiting periods. Inherently, I think there should be some

1026
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: option for like, if you've already got a collection or

1027
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: a c h L. Like, why would a waiting period

1028
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: apply to you? You already have guns. It's not like

1029
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of matter. But like, yeah, there's enough people

1030
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: who like buy a gun and kill themselves that that day,

1031
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: or enough people who like buy a gun that fucking

1032
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: guy who shot up that hospital the same day, and

1033
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: maybe if you could cool him down right, Like again,

1034
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: there's there's stuff I think that can be done and

1035
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: and that should be talked about, because even though I

1036
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: don't think the overall I don't think the fundamental solutions

1037
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: to the fundamental problems that we're talking about today, any

1038
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: of them will be done by voting or passing laws

1039
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: because it's too big, you know, like fundamentally you're dealing

1040
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: with fucking white supremacy here and you're not kind of

1041
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: voted out. Um. And also, I don't think you should

1042
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: stop people who are poor or or like of normal

1043
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: income from being able to arm themselves, which is another

1044
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: thing Democrats keep proposing. It's like, let's put a thousand

1045
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: percent excise tax in an a R fifteen, so it's

1046
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Rich people should happen, right, that's the

1047
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: Is that what's gonna make Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah, because

1048
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: the kid at fucking Uvaldi just got a credit card

1049
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: and bought like a three or four thousand dollar firearm

1050
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: and like managed it because he didn't care about paying

1051
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: it back. So like maybe well let's talk about some

1052
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: other solutions. Um. But um yeah, So I have I

1053
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: come I come at this from like a different position,

1054
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: but I do think I think it's immoral to be like,

1055
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: let's just not talk about doing anything, because I don't like,

1056
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Speaker 1: like it's people are fucking like Vivaldi, Parkland, fucking Sandy Hook.

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Speaker 1: Like it's fucked up to say, like, well, there's nothing

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: that should be attempted here um or or to say

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: let's just turn schools into fortresses. I don't like that.

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Speaker 1: That's not good for kids, that's good for anything. So

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Speaker 1: I think, like I would love it if we could

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Speaker 1: do something, um. But also I think it is it's

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00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: it's also immoral too. It's a moral fundamentally if you

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Speaker 1: are the Democratic a democratic voter, but if you are

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Speaker 1: a Democrat in power, it is immorl to not be

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Speaker 1: fucking better at seeing what these people are doing and

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Speaker 1: how they get away with what they're doing. Um. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that if they haven't for so fucking long,

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Speaker 1: and it extends everywhere, it's crt if the anti transplantic

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Speaker 1: it's all the same playbook. You have to fucking understand

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00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: what they're doing and and actually fight it effectively, as

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01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: opposed to just use the fear of the fuccory that

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Speaker 1: they're doing to drive people to like register to blue

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Speaker 1: no matter who. Um. And if they were actually doing that,

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01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: the right wouldn't be winning as often as they are.

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Speaker 1: Heep preaching that boy preaching, Now, you're right, man. It's

1077
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: like when you're just trying to put your finger on jello.

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01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: You're just gonna be chasing, chasing the gloves, and that's

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: basically what democrats doing. They just chasing these gloves, playing

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Speaker 1: whack a mole. And it's funny to watch, in funny

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Speaker 1: in a horrible way, in a sense that like they're

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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, nah, keep chasing us. You know, you're

1083
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: just you're just swinging a person around, you know, and

1084
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: laughing as you're doing it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, nah nailed it. Yeah, thank you for that, Robert,

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Speaker 1: thank you. This was fun. Yeah, dog like dude, I mean,

1087
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Speaker 1: everybody know who you already, and you know what I'm saying, Yeah,

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta book. It's

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Speaker 1: called After the Revolution. You can find it everywhere right now,

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Speaker 1: including on on on the the Amazons if you, if

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01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: you are so inclined, man, that book is very fun.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I enjoy, you know, fun in a in

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01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: an entertaining still pretty sad But yeah, it was fun

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01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: in an entertaining, still pretty sad way to write. Joe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, and uh, Sophie right there, get off, get

1096
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: off there, Sophie, say what's up there? It is? Sophie

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01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: is the greatest at holding her tongue when she has comments.

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01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen him wye so good at it does? Anyway, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the show. It'll probably be. This will most likely

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Speaker 1: be the second part because this is over an hour

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: and uh, because that boy Rob got hot. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm gonna have I'm gonna have

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: a I'm gonna have Matt play some Oregon hits under

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01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: there done. You know what I'm saying. Make you sound

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: like a preacher. All right? Anyway, all right, shows over

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Speaker 1: means yeah, this is here. Thing was recorded by Me

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Speaker 1: Propaganda and East Low Spoil Heights, Los Angeles, California. This

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Speaker 1: smug was mixed, edited, mastered, and scored by Matt Ososki.

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Speaker 1: I can totally say his name, guys, it was it

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Speaker 1: was a stick. He's going by Matt now again because

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01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: he got two legal situations with the name Headlights. You know,

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Speaker 1: commen used to be called common sense tip t I

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Speaker 1: was tipped Sometimes it happens. Executive produced by the one

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Speaker 1: and Only Sophie Lichtman for a Cool Zone Media and

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Speaker 1: the theme music by the one and only Gold Tips

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Speaker 1: Gold Tips d J Shawan p So y'all just remember

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Speaker 1: listen every time you check in. If you understand city living,

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Speaker 1: you understand politics. See how next week you Maine, Maine.

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Speaker 1: When he means want you, he means