1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Today, an emergency appeal was filed in the US Supreme 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Court challenging the election results in Pennsylvania. This appeal raises 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: serious legal issues, and I believe the court should hear 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: the case on an expedited basis. I do believe that. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: But I did not write those words. Those words come 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: from our intrepid co host, Senator Cruz. As we continue 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: this election mess, I'm Michael knows. This is Verdict with 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. It 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: is excellent to be here, Senator, with you in person 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. We haven't done this because what 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: we had to spend some time with our families or something. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: It has been too long, and we should apologize to 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: all the great listeners of Verdict. But last week I 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: was home with my family and my kids and we 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: were eating turkey and relaxing, and so it's good to 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: be about. It is good to be back. We want 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: to thank all of the subscribers who have stuck with 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: us through some of those virtual shows, and thank you 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: to everybody who has listened in. If you haven't subscribed already, 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: please do so on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, on Google Play, 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: on YouTube. We're still on those platforms for now, although 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: I suppose a little bit later we'll get to the 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: threats that we might face Senator First, the election is 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: still dragging on. Some people are saying the president should 25 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: concede immediately. Some people are saying we should let the 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: legal process play out. Some people are saying Joe Biden 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: is the president elect. Some people are saying the electors 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: won't vote until December fourteenth. What is the state of 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the race and the legal challenges, Well, it's not resolved 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: right now. There are multiple lawsuits all across the country, 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: and those lawsuits need to be resolved. And until then, 32 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to say the media kind of stamping 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: their feet and insisting it's over now because we say 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: it's over. That's a little weird. We're going to have 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: a clear and definitive result. Anytime you have an election 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: and the election is contested, you wait until the results 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: of that contest are over. You know, you remember think 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: back to the Minnesota Senate race between Norm Coleman and 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: Al Franken. We're Al Franken litigated, fought, and by hook 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: or by crook, managed to get enough votes to beat 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: Norm Coleman. Good choice of words there. You know, when 42 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: when Democrats are filing the lawsuits, everything's hunky dorry that 43 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: they can challenge it. But in this instance, because it's 44 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: President Trump and his legal team that's challenging it, the 45 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: media is treating it like it is the most unimaginable 46 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: thing we've ever seen for a legal team to bring 47 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: cases and to try to litigate their claims. And now 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I know there have been a lot of claims of fraud. 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: There's been some evidence of irregularities of poll watchers not 50 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: being able to see the vote count, and this has 51 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: gone on in various states. We've heard about Arizona, We've 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: heard about Georgia, We've heard about Michigan. I want to 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: focus on Pennsylvania because it just seems as though there 54 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: are so many narratives going on about fraud or how 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: now it's being stolen in the other direction or whatever. 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: What is the deal in Pennsylvania and what's the status 57 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: of that claim. Well, let me say two things on 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: this one. Just speaking more broadly, it is one hundred 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: percent clear there was fraud this election cycle, and there's 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: been fraud and prior election cycles. Election fraud is a 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: challenge we deal with, and it occurs. The question that 62 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: we don't know the answer to is whether or not 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: the Trump team is going to be able to present 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: sufficient evidence of fraud to change the outcome. And that's 65 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: really a question. That's why we have a judicial system. 66 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: We have a system to resolve those claims. They don't 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: get resolved by wild allegations on Twitter. They don't get 68 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: resolved by TV pundits screaming at the camera. They get 69 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: resolved by evidence and witnesses and expert witnesses and facts, 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: and the judicial process exists to determine what can be 71 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: proven and what can't. That hasn't happened yet. I very 72 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: much hope we see a different outcome in the presidential 73 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: than we have right now. It's a tough road, I'm 74 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: sorry to say. It is an uphill road to get 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: there because there are multiple states where the outcome needs 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: to flip, and so the president's legal team to change 77 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: the ultimate outcome needs to prevail not just in one state, 78 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: but in several. That's hard, it's not an easy thing. 79 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: But he is absolutely entitled to litigate it, and I 80 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: think it is important to get to the bottom of 81 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: what happened. Now you asked about Pennsylvania in particular. Pennsylvania 82 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: is the biggest of the states whose outcome is in dispute, 83 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: and there are serious legal issues at the core of Pennsylvania. 84 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: One of the problems you've got in Pennsylvania, you've got 85 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: a Supreme Court that consists of partisan Mamocrats. Democrats have 86 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: a five to advantage on the Supreme Court. Is the 87 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court of Pennsylvania of Pennsylvania. Yes, And and they 88 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: have been they have not been good actors. That they 89 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: have behaved in a nakedly partisan way. So we saw 90 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: before the election, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that ballots 91 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: that were received after election day, even potentially ballots that 92 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: were mailed after election day, could be counted. And it 93 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: was a decision. It was a partisan decision. They were 94 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: rewriting state election law because they thought it benefited the Democrats. 95 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: And and and actually the US Supreme Court, Justice sam 96 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: Alito wrote an opinion he was joined by Justice Thomas 97 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: and Justice Gorsuch, where he said that the decision of 98 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court very likely violated the US Constitution. That 99 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: was before the election. The US Supreme Court declined to 100 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: resolve that issue before the election, which they should have. Yeah. Okay, 101 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: so fast forward to down the statement you read at 102 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,559 Speaker 1: the opening the pod. I wrote yesterday, and I wrote 103 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: it because I read the Supreme Court pleading that was 104 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: filed in Pennsylvania. So they've asked the US Supreme Court 105 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: to take the case. The central claim in this case 106 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: is a little bit different from the one the Pennsylvania 107 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decided before the election. Right, the state of Pennsylvania, 108 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: the state legislature in March of this year change the 109 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: election law pretty dramatically in Pennsylvania to allow universal mail 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: in balloting with no excuse, no basis. Anyone can mail 111 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: in ballot. And so this is distinct from the traditional 112 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: system of absentee, which is you go, you request, you say, 113 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: I've got this reason that I need an absentee ballot. Right. 114 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: This is a new system that they instituted, which is 115 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: you just get mail to ballot. Yes, and they did so. 116 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: Now what's interesting is the Pennsylvania State Constitution explicitly lays 117 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: out the circumstances in which you can have a see Valady, 118 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: and the Pennsylvania State Constitution is pretty strict on it. 119 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: As a general matter, the Pennsylvania Constitution requires in person voting. 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: And then they're a handful of exceptions that are specified, 121 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: things like military service, things like if you're sick or 122 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: have a serious disability, and those are written into the Constitution. 123 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: And there's actually a long history in Pennsylvania where the 124 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: legislature has multiple times previously past laws expanding absentee vality, 125 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has struck them down over 126 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: and over again and said, no, the Pennsylvania Constitution says 127 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: you can't do that. So what happened here here the 128 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania legislature rewrote the law in direct contradiction to the 129 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Constitution. So this claim that is at the center 130 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: of this case is arguing that the universal mail in 131 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: law that Pennsylvania passed contradicts the Constitution of Pennsylvania. Now 132 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: District Judge in Pennsylvania agreed with that claim. Okay, and 133 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the secretion seems clearer, doesn't, I mean, it's it's and 134 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: and there are two different Pennsylvania Supreme Court cases from 135 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: decades past clearly holding that, explicitly holding that the text 136 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: of the Constitution explicitly says that. And so a Pennsylvania 137 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: district judge said, you're likely to prevail on this claim 138 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: that what the legislature did is contrary to the Constitution. 139 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected that claim, and they rejected it 140 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: under a legal doctrine called latches. Now know what the 141 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: heck is latches. Latches are very common doctrine, and it 142 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: essentially means you slept on your rights. Another way of 143 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: putting it as you waited too long. Yeah, And the 144 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Supreme Court said, look, you guys waited till after 145 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: the election to bring this case. You should have brought 146 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: it earlier. Smester, you can't bring it. You missed your chance. 147 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: So yesterday morning I printed out and read the Supreme 148 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: Court pleading and I was actually it was it raises 149 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: some very serious legal issues. One of the points they 150 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: made is they said, look, Pennsylvania Supreme Court said through 151 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: a case out based on latches, but they also have 152 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: ruled that a candidate lacks standing to challenge an election 153 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: law before the election. So they put us in a 154 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: catch twenty two where we can't challenge it before the 155 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: election because we don't have standing, and we can't challenge 156 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: it after the election because they say we waited too long. 157 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: It can't be the case that you could never challenge 158 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: a law that's facially on constitutional. Right now, that's a 159 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: pretty damn good argument. Yeah. I mean you read it 160 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, wait a second, that's pretty strong. 161 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: When the Pennsylvania Legislature changed their election law, they also 162 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: put on the ballot a referendum to amend the constitution 163 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania to allow universal mail in voting. So that's 164 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: going to be on the ballot. Here's one of the 165 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: weird things when it's on the ballot, whether or not 166 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: to allow universal mail in voting. Pencil Vania is going 167 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: to have it voted on using universal mail in voter So, 168 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is. That's actually a footnote in 169 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court pleading that just I laughed out loud, 170 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: he said, this is frigging nuts. You're so I wrote 171 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: a statement and the statement you read, it's it's about 172 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: a page long. Yeah. By the way, you know, look, 173 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: most press releases that I put out, I've got a team, 174 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: a staff of very tallenge you're telling you don't write 175 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: every single word of every single press release. That one 176 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: I did, That that one I sat down and hammered 177 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: it out on the keyboard and tried to explain, Look, 178 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: these issues are serious, and the US Supreme Court, I believe, 179 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: should hear it. Now. There's a very good chance they 180 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: say no, they decline to hear it. Frankly, if you're 181 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice and you're trying to protect your 182 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: own backside, the natural instinct is not to take the case. 183 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: But the reason I wrote that statement was to say 184 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: to them, I think the US Supreme Court has a 185 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: responsibility that the degree of distrust in this election. Yeah, um, yeah, 186 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: Well you actually give the number in the statement. According 187 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: to Reuters and IPSOS polling, thirty nine percent of Americans believe, 188 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: quote the election was rigged, thirty almost forty percent of 189 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: Americans that That is the next sentence I think, I say, 190 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: and that is that that is not healthy for our democracy. 191 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: That is now. I know you really did write the statement, 192 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: But part of the reason I urged the Court to 193 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: take the case is I think this the Supreme Court 194 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: has a responsibility to try to ensure we're following the 195 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: law and the Constitution and to take a step to 196 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: calm the acrimony in the division. Having so many Americans 197 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: distrust our entire system as rigged, as fake, as bogus. 198 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: That ain't good. Right. Well, you know it's funny because 199 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: your reaction was the same as mine, which is, if 200 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: I were on the court, I sure wouldn't want to 201 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: take the case. I don't want to be accused of 202 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: politicizing anything. But it does seem that there's an irony 203 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: where the court that's so reticent to be seen as 204 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: political actually seems very very political. You know, if they 205 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: were to take the case. First of all, it very 206 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: likely would not change the outcome of the presidential election, 207 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: but at least, for goodness sakes, it would restore some 208 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: confidence that we're not just all playing partisan politics, that 209 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: we actually will follow the state constitutions and the law. Well, 210 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: and look, let me be candid. The Pennsylvania case their 211 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: challenge is also so there's number one, there's a jurisdictional 212 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: doctrine at the US Supreme Court, which is, the US 213 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Supreme Court cannot take an appeal if there is what 214 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: is called an adequate and independent state ground. In other words, 215 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: on a question of Pennsylvania state law, the Pennsylvania Supreme 216 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Court is the final arbitry the US Supreme Court doesn't 217 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: decide issues of state law, right, and so if a 218 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: state supreme court has decided a case on an issue 219 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: of state law and that's sufficient, the US Supreme Court 220 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: can't take it. And so a tough question in this 221 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: case is what is the federal question that gives the 222 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: US Supreme Court jurisdiction? Well, you know, actually from your 223 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: own state. I think we'd mentioned this in a prior podcast. 224 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: There was a Senate race in nineteen forty eight when 225 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson stole an election and it went all the 226 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: way up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court said, 227 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: we don't have jurisdiction here, we don't want to settle, 228 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: we don't want to interfere in this state election. And 229 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: that was it, and they they gave Johnson the seat. Now, look, 230 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: they're obviously counterpoints Bush versus Gore, And as you know, 231 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: I was part of the legal team litigating that. We've 232 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: talked on the podcast before about my book One Vote Away, 233 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: where I talk at great length about Bush versus Gore 234 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: about the inside strategy there. Likewise, the Florida Supreme Court 235 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: twice issued rulings that was also a partisan democratic court. 236 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: They were lawless rulings, and the US Supreme Court and 237 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: Bush versus Gore stepped in and ultimately resolved the case, 238 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: and they did the right thing. A challenge here is, 239 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: even if the Trump team wins in Pennsylvania, that alone 240 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: is not enough to switch the outcome, right, So that 241 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: may well, that will certainly be a basis that encourages 242 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: the justices not to take the case. Is either way, 243 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: the outcomes the same. It's why I wrote what I 244 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: did that Listen, this dynamic of so many Americans not 245 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: having faith in the integrity of our democratic system. That's 246 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: a real problem, and I think the Supreme Court has 247 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: a responsibility to cure the claims and decide them pursue 248 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: it to the law. Well, there are other issues in 249 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: other states, and we do have to touch on not 250 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: just the presidential race, but and not just Pennsylvania, but 251 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: Georgia and specifically the Georgia Senate races, because whatever happens 252 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: with the presidential race there, you've got these runoff races. 253 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: This will decide who controls the Senate. You laid out 254 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats plan for if they do take control of 255 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: the Senate in the White House, it's pretty radical. Stuff. 256 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: It could end the Republican Party in many ways as 257 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: a national party. What is the state of play there? 258 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: It's David Purdue and Kelly Laffler are the Republicans and 259 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: the incumbents. You sit next to David Purdue in the Senate, 260 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: so you've got a very close view of all of this. 261 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: How do things stand in Georgia? So where we are 262 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: right now in the Senate, as Republicans have a fifty 263 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: two forty eight majority, but two of those seats, the 264 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: Georgia seats, there's a runoff on January fifth. Ye, if 265 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: we lose them both, the Senate becomes fifty fifty. If 266 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: we win them both, we stay at fifty two forty 267 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: eight and fifty fifty. By the way, if Joe Biden 268 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: does as send to the presidency, the tiebreaker then is 269 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. So the Democrats have it. So it means 270 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: if we lose them both and Joe Biden as president, 271 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: it means Chuck Schumer as the majority leader. And I 272 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: got to say, in our lifetimes, I don't believe there 273 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: has been a Senate race as consequential as the Georgia 274 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: Senate race on January fifth, because the two outcomes are 275 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: radically different. World Number One, the Democrats win if we 276 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: have a Biden Schumer Pelosi government. There's no check on 277 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: the radicals in the Democratic Party. Here's what I believe 278 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: will happen with a Biden Schumer Pelosi government. I think 279 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: they'll end the filibuster, which means there is no ability 280 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: the minority to stop the most radical policy proposals they 281 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: put forward. I think they will pass a massive tax increase, 282 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: not just repealing the Trump tax cut, but massively increasing taxes. 283 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: I think they will pass all or major components of 284 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: the Green New Deal, which will be absolutely crushing too 285 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: small businesses and jobs. I think they will grant amnesty 286 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: to every single illegal alien in America and try to 287 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: make them voters as quickly as possible, and has more 288 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: or less said that already. And I think they will 289 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: add two new states to the Union. They will add 290 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: the district to Columbia and Puerto Rico because they believe 291 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: they'll elect four Democratic senators immediately, which means we could 292 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: start January with fifty Democratic Senators and in the year 293 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: with fifty four. And this is all about power, This 294 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: is about locking in their power. And I believe if 295 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: we lose these two Georgia seats, I believe that the 296 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: Democrats will pack the US Supreme Court. They'll put on 297 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: four radical judicial acts. So you think that the remainder, 298 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: there's really only one even sort of quasi moderate Democrat left, 299 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: Joe Mansion from West Virginia. When Joe Mansion says I'm 300 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: going to vote against all the radical stuff, I'm gonna 301 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: be the stop against AOC, you think that's just a 302 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: lot of talk. I don't believe him. I think what 303 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: Joe is doing is politicking in Georgia. He's trying to 304 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: convince Georgians vote for the Democrats. Listen, Joe is someone 305 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: I've served with for eight years now. Joe is a 306 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: very Mansion is a very nice guys, a very affable guy. 307 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: It's it's nobody dislikes Joe. It's hard to dislike it. 308 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: He's got he keeps a vote on the Potomac, and 309 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: he invites senators to go out, you know, go out 310 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: on like sunset cruise in the Potomac, which is fun 311 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: to do. You look, I mean, I've I've gone out 312 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: with him and and hung out with him. Joe when 313 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: I was first elected to the Senate. One of the 314 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: one of my colleagues said to me, he said, Joe 315 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: is like a purple unicorn. He will always always be 316 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: with you, right up until the moment you need him. 317 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: And I can tell you in eight years in the Senator, 318 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: I cannot think of a single issue where Joe Joe 319 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: Mansion was the deciding vote. Um. He will occasionally vote 320 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: with Republicans when his vote doesn't matter, Yeah, but when 321 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: when push comes to shove, I don't believe he will 322 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: stand up to Chuck Schumer. Um. Now I could see 323 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: him doing. I think he'll vote with Schumer to end 324 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: the filibuster, and he'll vote with Schumer to add DC 325 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. And then if they have fifty four Democrats, 326 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: maybe he votes against packing the court right right after, 327 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: ensuring that they can win and they lock in this majority. 328 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: And it's worth pointing out to the opponents here are 329 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: pretty radical people. You have John Assoff, who if that 330 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: name is familiar to any of the listeners, it's because 331 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: Hollywood propped him up to run for Congress just a 332 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: few years ago, and he lost that race. But he 333 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: was the sort of Hollywood darling. He's just come out 334 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: and said we need to basically empower the bureaucracy to 335 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: make all of the decisions for us and basically have 336 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: government by experts, so much for we the people. And 337 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: then the other candidate in this race, Raphael Warnock, is 338 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: as radical as they come. He is openly embraced socialism. 339 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: He's said that one cannot serve God and be in 340 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: the United States military. For goodness sakes, this guy is 341 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: forget we talk about AOC or whoever. This guy is 342 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: maybe the most radical politician I've seen in our in 343 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: our national discourse. He is quite radical. He is a 344 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: preacher in the mold of Jeremiah Right and and in 345 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: fact his former church welcomed and embraced Fidel Castro Right. 346 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: The Democratic Party, particularly in Georgia, has decided to go far, 347 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: far left. But to be honest, I actually don't think 348 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: even though these candidates are extreme, yea, in some ways, 349 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. The Democrats are disciplined. Look, they're collectivists, 350 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: they believe in Stadism, they believe in Some of them 351 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: are markraists. They obey orders. Yeah, that's I was talking 352 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: with talking today with Lamar Alexander. Lamar Alexander is retiring. 353 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: He gave his farewell speech today, And so I was 354 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: talking with Lamar on the Senate floor, and we were 355 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: talking about the challenge that the Democrats. They always have message, discipline, 356 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: they're always together. Look on the Republican side, for good 357 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: or for ill, we've got a bunch of individualists. We've 358 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: got a party with Rand Paul and Susan Collins. Yeah, 359 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: that's a lot of diversity, and we're running all sorts 360 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: of different crazy directions. I mean it's it's we don't 361 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: follow orders, right, they're a virtues to that. But on 362 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: the Democratic side, if they get a majority, Chuck Schumer 363 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: Pelosi will dictate the agenda in Congress, which means AOC 364 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders will dictate the agenda, 365 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: in particular because Schumer will be terrified of being primaried 366 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: from the left by AOC. Yeah, right, I think this 367 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: is a good I remember you had warned about this 368 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: point a while ago. Yeah, and I sort of thought, oh, no, 369 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, he'll stand up. No, there's no incentive 370 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: for him too. You know, if this is a unified government, 371 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: the left is going to be calling shots. Well and 372 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: Schumer's a political animal through and through. That's just who 373 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: he is. He lives for politics, and he's seen Democrat 374 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: after democrat beaten from the left and primaries. I don't 375 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: think there will be any appetite to stand up to 376 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: the demands of the far left. Now with a Republican majority, 377 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: if we win in Georgia, it's not all going to 378 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: be you know, Honey and Roses. If we win, we 379 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: will have a narrow Republican majority. If we have a 380 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: Biden presidency. Look, there will be some bad things that 381 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: Republicans join with Democrats to pass that I will fight 382 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: hard against, and we'll have podcasts with me raving about him. 383 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: But the reason majority matters so much is ball control. 384 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: So in the majority, you're you're the chairman of every committee, 385 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: and you can control what bills are voted on and 386 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: what or not. So I can tell you with a 387 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent certainty that if there's a Republican majority 388 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: in the Senate, we will not see a massive tax increase. Yeah, 389 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty, DC 390 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: will not become a state. I could tell you with 391 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: one hundred percent certainty the US Supreme Court will not 392 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: be packed all of those if we have the majority, 393 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: they ain't happening. Will there be some other bad things? 394 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: Will there be some trillion dollars spending bills that are 395 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: horrific and drive up the debt? Yes? Will there be 396 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: some terrible immigration deal. Probably I'll fight hard against those. 397 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: But you know what, I'd rather be in those fights 398 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: where I'm trying to fight against policies that are bad 399 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: versus fundamental permanent structural Taking the US Supreme Court from 400 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: nine justices to thirteen that does damage to the Constitution, 401 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: not just for a year but forever, right right, or 402 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: increasing the number of senators or the makeup absolutely, it 403 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: shows you what's on the ballot in Georgia. I know 404 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: that there are some people who feel a bit demoralized 405 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: by the election and by people not taking certain examples 406 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: of fraud. Seriously, I get that. I actually understand the demoralization. 407 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: But one thing that you've done that I've been so 408 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: pleased to see is keeping up the fight and keeping 409 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: up the fight in a lot of different realms. You know, 410 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: going to the Supreme Court and saying you've got to 411 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: hear this Pennsylvania case. And also while you're doing that 412 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: make sure the Republicans win in Georgia. And President Trump 413 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: has said that also, he said, got to go out 414 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: there and vote for Laffler and for Purdue. It's a 415 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: very important battle. It's there's not just one phase. There's 416 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: not just one stage of this battle. It's on money fronts. 417 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: And we could look up and if we lost the Senate, 418 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: we're in a very bad situation. Now that's exactly right. 419 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: So Georgia. I'm going to be going to Georgia. I'm 420 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be campaigning on the ground in December. I'm 421 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: campaigning on the ground in January. I'm working with the 422 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: Club Growth that is launched a plan to knock on 423 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: one million doors in Georgia. It's entirely a turnout election 424 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: getting conservative. We're going to do a bus tour where 425 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: the plan is to hit all of the biggest counties 426 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: in Georgia where the population is and I'm going to 427 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: be there campaigning on the ground to say you've got 428 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: to come out and you've got to show up. And 429 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm all in because the damage that comes from a 430 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: Schumer majority, I don't want to see what comes from that. 431 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: Right before we go, we've got to get to a 432 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: mail bad question. I want to thank as always the 433 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: subscribers who send these in some of them, all of 434 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: them excellent questions, some of them pretty funny as well. 435 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: Let's take a look at Daniel. I think this actually 436 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: ties in very well to what we're talking about Deer 437 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Senator and Michael, what is the best way to counter 438 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: accusations of conspiracy theorism when discussing the ongoing lawsuits and 439 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: the associated indisha of voting irregularity and election Friday because 440 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: the media won't cover them. They seem fringe and made 441 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: up ideas to democrats and liberals and leftists hashtag verdict. 442 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: We hear this all the time. Anytime you contradict the media, 443 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: they call you a conspiracy theorist. Um, well, that's because 444 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: they're twelve media guys who are planning a conspiracy in 445 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: the control of the world. It is, by the way, 446 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: that's a joke for so whoever they're gonna pay that 447 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: crew conspiracy you know, Um, look, they're gonna say that. 448 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, I read Twitter. I read all 449 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: of the accusations. I don't know what's true and what's not. 450 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: I mean, some of them sound pretty far out, so 451 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: others sound quite plausible. Others are somewhere in the middle. 452 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I think the best answer is, you know what, in 453 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: the United States, we have a system to resolve those claims. 454 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: So the answer is not gonna be which claim got 455 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: the most retweets. Yeah, it's not decided by likes. We've 456 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: got courts that hear evidence. The only thing that is 457 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: going to impact the outcome of these elections is whether 458 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign can present sufficient evidence to build a 459 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: factual case and convince a court. Yeah, some of the 460 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: more far reaching theories, I don't know if there's a 461 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: factual basis for them or not. I hope the lawyers 462 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: present them. I hope they present it effectively. Hope they 463 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: convince the court. You know, when we were litigating Bush 464 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: versus Gore, we couldn't just assert things. We had to 465 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: go and prevail in court. And so saying that the 466 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: system should work, saying that our legal system should operate 467 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: the way the Constitution designed it, that's not a conspiracy theory. 468 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: That's actually believing in rule of law and we'll get 469 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: a determination as to what the evidence shows, and that 470 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: are those determinations perfect. Now that there are things that 471 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: go on in the world for which there is an evidence, 472 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: of course, but it's the best system, you know. It 473 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: reminds me of what Churchill said about democracy. It's the 474 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: worst form of government except for every other. You know. 475 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: Our judicial system has challenges, but by and large it's 476 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: a pretty effective vehicle for determining the facts and weighing 477 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: and considering evidence that is not a conspiracy theory. That 478 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: is a constitutional theory. And I think probably the people 479 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: who are attacking us for following the process, they probably 480 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: hate the constitutional theories much more than the conspiracy ones. 481 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: I will have to leave it there, but we will 482 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: address even more of those excellent questions. As this process 483 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: is certainly not going to be resolved today, We'll do 484 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: it next time. I'm Michael Knowles. This is verdict with 485 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz.