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Speaker 2: Welcome back our number two here on the Herd. A

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Speaker 2: beautiful Monday morning in Los Angeles. It's a bit of

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Speaker 2: a heat wave out here at Touch eighty over the

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Speaker 2: weekend ride in the South Bay brutal.

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Speaker 3: What I am you gonna do? Zsidbacka taran for Colin Coward.

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Speaker 2: Join by Rachel Nichols telling us Brett farm log stories.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: She's got a lot of good stuff.

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Speaker 5: Cover the NFL for more than a decade. There's a

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Speaker 5: lot of good stories buried in there, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Goodness, we got Mike Jones of the Athletic coming up,

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Speaker 2: the Samon Rogers stuff. I was thinking about it on

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Speaker 2: the elevator ride. I'm not gonna fire it now. We

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Speaker 2: touched on earlier. We'll we'll get to Aaron Rodgers here shortly,

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Speaker 2: but I want to start briefly with a team and

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Speaker 2: a player near and dear to Colin Cowhard, and that's

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams of the Bears. Listen, the preseason has basically

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Speaker 2: all the oxygen has been sucked out by like four guys,

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons, Shador Sanders, Caleb Williams definitely leading the charge,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers' distant third or fourth.

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Speaker 3: But this Caleb Williams stuff is just I don't know

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Speaker 3: what to make of it. Again.

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Speaker 2: Two years ago, the talk was, oh, Caleb boy, he

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Speaker 2: could be the face of the NFL in four years.

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Speaker 2: We get so freaking excited about these guys. For one

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Speaker 2: season of college football, some dynamic throws.

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Speaker 3: At Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: He was awesome at times for USC, then he fell

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Speaker 2: into like the backyard quarterback stuff. And now he gets

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Speaker 2: a good coach and we're expecting greatness. And the last

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Speaker 2: month has been anything but great from Caleb Williams and

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Speaker 2: cryptic stuff from Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 2: Be out here hammering Caleb Williams again. Last week I

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Speaker 2: mentioned Johnny Manzel and all the sick of fans in

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Speaker 2: Chicago like came after me. Folks, listen to Ben Johnson

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Speaker 2: after their preseason game against the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: You listen to this Offensively, the first two possessions was

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Speaker 4: really sloppy football that you know has plugged us in

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Speaker 4: and out of camp so far. It is disappointing to

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Speaker 4: we got to get better in a hurry. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: we got to make sure that we start faster on

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Now listen, this is his first rodeo as

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Speaker 2: a head coach. Oh see in Detroit behind walk around

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Speaker 2: guy Dan Campbell, who we will get you interesting story

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Speaker 2: on Campbell later in the show. But is Ben Johnson

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Speaker 2: A lot of veiled comments about Caleb And I don't

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Speaker 2: want to I don't know Caleb. I've never spoken to him,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want to presume his psyche. But there

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Speaker 2: were some things we saw in college. Hey maybe it

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Speaker 2: from their Chiefs game. The very first play was a

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Speaker 2: but still that's not Chris, that's sloppy. Bro, your a

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Speaker 2: second year quarterback, your face of the franchise. Bears fans

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Speaker 2: are like always you're gonna throw for four thousand yards?

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Speaker 3: Who cares?

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Speaker 2: Can we get the snap and the cadence down? Okay,

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Speaker 2: so here's a quote. Listen to Ben Johnson. I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna tell you the answer until the end, but think

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Speaker 4: I've really been blown away by his approach from the

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Speaker 4: He does a tremendous job knowing what to do, how

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Speaker 2: Okays, he's not talking about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: He's gassing up his backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: As Rachel said first hour, the backup quarterback is always

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, Beijen just got a new deal. Huh,

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Speaker 2: Not of the belief that he's like one of the

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Speaker 3: It's my job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we get that, but we want some insurance. That's

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Speaker 2: not a good sign. Now again, this is all preseason.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the live bullets start firing and Caleb is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: But uh, I've got my doubts, folks, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's bring in Mike Jones from the Athletic

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Speaker 2: Colors the NFL covering the NFL for the last fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: worked at the Washington Post. Someone here knows someone here

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Speaker 2: read that newspaper growing up, and someone here worked for

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Speaker 3: Mike, how are you, man?

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Speaker 6: I'll go, well, how are you guys doing this morning?

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Speaker 3: You know, I can't complain. It's Monday.

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Speaker 2: Football's almost here, We're ten days away from the opener.

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Speaker 2: I do have to ask, though, you know, you do

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Speaker 2: TV radio shows. Are you surprised by the amount of

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Speaker 2: questions about Shador Sanders? A fifth round pick who is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I have written a lot about him,

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Speaker 7: when you really think about it, this is a fifth

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Speaker 7: that we thought would go a lot higher and whose

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Speaker 6: Better than a regular fifth round pick.

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Speaker 7: So again, the brand, the name, everything has just made

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 7: I'm putting together my list of twenty five most intriguing

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Speaker 6: Know, she's probably on that list.

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Speaker 3: Probably the top five. That was interesting.

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Speaker 2: You use a word, Mike, You said brand a rookie

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Speaker 2: quarterback who was taking on the fifth round has a brand.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think.

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen when he came into the league from Wyoming,

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Speaker 3: Did Patrick Mahomes have one? Out of Texas Tech? Like

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Speaker 2: He has a brand like great for him, But I

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Speaker 2: don't that that's actually what you want your quarterback having

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Speaker 7: Well? I mean this is a new even, you know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have brands.

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Speaker 7: You know, there wasn't the whole There was social media,

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Speaker 7: things like that. You know, this guy's got a Hall

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Speaker 7: of Fame football coach father. You know, it's so football

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Speaker 7: player turned football coach as a father.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, there's a whole lot more with here.

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Speaker 7: But I think that the thing that is most important

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Speaker 7: is does he have a work ethic?

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Speaker 6: You know, yeah, he's got a brand, does have work ethics?

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Speaker 7: Does he have you know, teachability and all those things,

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Speaker 7: As long as you have that, then teams don't care

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Speaker 7: if you have a brand. But you know, you're talking

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Speaker 6: Uh. He certainly, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, had kind of a brand coming out, and you

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Speaker 3: You're you're right, it is kind of a new era.

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Speaker 2: I think Johnny Manzel probably had a brand, is that

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Speaker 3: it was a good brand, right, but it was a brand.

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Speaker 7: There was a kind of a cult following type of

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Speaker 7: But yeah, kind of.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think he has a brand. He just

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Speaker 2: hasn't been a good quarterback. I mean, he's not in

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Speaker 2: do you think the Browns keep Shador? Do you think

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Speaker 6: No, I mean I think that he's on the team.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that he's going to be active in

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Speaker 7: who really believe in his potential. And look, if he's

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Speaker 7: not ready, it's okay. They have a really tough stretch

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Speaker 6: You would be much more.

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Speaker 7: Comfortable with Joe Flacco going up against some of those

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Speaker 6: Why throw a rookie to the Wolves like that?

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Speaker 7: But there's also questions about the handling of Shador and

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Speaker 7: the developmental plan and if the Browns are all on

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Speaker 7: the same page on how to get him ready, you know,

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Speaker 7: and so there are questions about that. But I think that, yeah,

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Speaker 7: he's going to be on this team. We'll see what

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Speaker 7: the progress is. I wouldn't be surprised, you know, late

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Speaker 7: this year we wind up seeing him on the field.

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Speaker 6: It wouldn't surprise me at all interesting.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Aaron Rodgers briefly, hopefully only briefly. He

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Speaker 2: kind of was talking on a podcast with DK Metcalf

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Speaker 2: and DK Metcalf Flow today, maybe maybe you're staying beyond

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Speaker 2: this year, you know, maybe we'll run it back, and

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers said, maybe, Mike, what are we to take

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Speaker 2: of Aaron Rodgers at this point? I mean we haven't

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Speaker 2: even got to the him versus Arthur Smith stuff that's

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Speaker 2: going to bubble up inevitably, But like, where are you

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Speaker 2: on Rogers and Pittsburgh are they?

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Speaker 3: Is he going to make your most intriguing list?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Look he everything is great right now.

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Speaker 2: A lot of my buddies al doing that again. Run

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Speaker 2: Can they even come close to duplicating last year's heroics.

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Speaker 6: That's going to be tough.

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Speaker 7: You know, they came out of nowhere. Now they're on

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Speaker 7: That's the only way you top that. Now you have expectations,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically that defense, like Jayden Daniels just kept bailing

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Speaker 2: just don't know how they stop anybody. And they're in

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Speaker 7: I do think that day in Dallas will be going

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Speaker 6: It's possible.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you on your concerns about the defense

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Speaker 6: The answer as far as a pass rusher.

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Speaker 7: You know, it's going to take a lot of creativity

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Speaker 6: You know, there are a lot of questions, and I

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Speaker 7: They've drafted some young guys and we'll see how they developed,

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Speaker 6: Defense to another level. But I guess they're.

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Speaker 7: Hoping with Terry mccluurin, Deebo, Samuel Jayden Daniels, that maybe

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Speaker 6: But that's a lot of ifs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let me ask you, Mike, I missed this news

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Speaker 2: All I was out the Colts decided Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 7: No, I think that's very concerning because look, obviously he

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Speaker 7: I don't think he's actually had, you know, I think

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Speaker 6: So it takes a while to develop.

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Speaker 7: And so you're hoping that you do the things, all

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Speaker 7: That's the reason why last year he got pinched because

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Speaker 6: And so it's going to be hard to go back.

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Speaker 6: But that's not the same as game speed. It's going

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Speaker 7: Yes, they're going to Daniel Jones, They're going to have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to.

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Speaker 2: Ask, Mike, did you just listen? Do you answer that?

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think back. We've seen a lot

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Speaker 2: Is it guys are getting overdrafted? Is it we still

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: Developmental plan for a lot of these guys, and they're

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Speaker 6: They should Okay, if you're going to.

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Speaker 7: Spend that high pick on a guy, okay, but have

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be too negative.

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Speaker 6: And so if you're learning and then everything.

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Speaker 7: Keeps getting changed, and now you have a new coach,

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Speaker 7: he could do what he did in USC where he's

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Speaker 7: running around, you know, across the field and back the

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Speaker 7: other way. You know, you got defensive linemen that are

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Speaker 7: faster than that and are going to plant you into

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Speaker 7: the ground now, So you got to learn to get

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Speaker 7: rid of the ball quickly and make good decisions. And

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Speaker 7: that's what he's going to have to understand if he

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Speaker 7: wants to make it in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's possible. It's just gonna take some time.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 3: We could wrap up, you know, for fantasy purposes.

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Speaker 2: Some of us may have three or four drafts this week.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, what are you hearing on the Rams quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of people out here in the

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Speaker 2: dark thinking like, oh, it's gonna be bad.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Rams did not going to the Super Bowl. But there's

459
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Speaker 2: also a whiff of hey man, he's old, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to play in the preseason. He's gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: Which side do you fall on here?

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Speaker 7: I think that you can be cautiously optimistic that, Okay,

463
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Speaker 7: he knows the system inside and out. You know, they're

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Speaker 7: being extra cautious with him because they know that they

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Speaker 7: can't afford for him to, you know, get hurt in

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Speaker 7: the preseason and then be banged up throughout the whole year.

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Speaker 7: But again, if you were in that situation and it's

468
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Speaker 7: that nerve wracking, it just takes one hit in week

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Speaker 7: one to throw things off the rails.

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Speaker 6: And so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 7: I thought when we're entering the off season the way

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Speaker 7: that they finished last year, I thought, Okay, the Rams

473
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Speaker 7: are my pick to win that division.

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Speaker 6: They might make some noise. I'm not so confident now.

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Speaker 7: I'm a little bit skittish, just because of what we've seen.

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Speaker 7: We have heard as of late that he is returned

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Speaker 7: to practice, he's not having any discomfort and things, so

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Speaker 7: that's positive. But again, he hasn't gotten hit yet, and

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Speaker 7: so a lot is riding on the health of that back.

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Speaker 2: By the way they open up against the Houston Texans,

481
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Speaker 2: who maybe have a top four defense in the league,

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Speaker 2: certainly front four, and they also have Philadelphia in week three,

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Speaker 2: so you're probably onto something. Mike Stafford's going to get

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Speaker 2: tested early, all right, Mike Jones, the athletic great stuff man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot for your time, Mike, all right.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Back here on the Herd. Great stuff from Mike Jones

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Speaker 2: at the Athletic. A lot of fun topics happening in

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Speaker 2: the l but also we've got an NBA one.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, this is the Herd Line news, Jason.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the Chiefs. They look sharp this weekend.

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Speaker 5: Closed out their preseason with nice stuff from Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 5: He finished with one hundred and forty three yards and

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Speaker 5: touchdown across three drives.

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Speaker 3: Against the Bears.

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Speaker 5: We've got Mahomes talking about getting back to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: Andy Reid talking about getting back to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Travis Kelcey talking about getting back to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: We've got Las Vegas.

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Speaker 5: Jason saying that the Chiefs are the fourth best, fourth

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Speaker 5: best odds to win the Super Bowl. And yet you,

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Speaker 5: Jason McIntyre, do you still not believe they're even going

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Speaker 5: to make the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my prediction. I've had a couple wrong predictions

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Speaker 3: of my career. Have you had any ever heard? I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it happens.

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Speaker 10: I just.

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Speaker 3: I've gone over it all summer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I understand Mahomes look good in the preseason finale.

536
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Speaker 2: Schedule is not easy. He's faced Lamar Herbert Hurts all early.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where are you on Kelsey. I know

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Speaker 2: he's talking about the Super Bowl, but actions over words.

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Speaker 3: He's doing photo shoots and.

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Speaker 2: He's prancing around the country with his cool girlfriend Taylor.

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Speaker 3: So I got no problem with that. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 3: like words and actions, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He certainly looks better than he did coming into the

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Speaker 5: last couple of seasons. So there's the action I'm looking

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Speaker 5: for is how much does he appear to have been

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Speaker 5: working out? He was doing a lot of stuff down

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Speaker 5: in Florida. It seems as if he is refocused going

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Speaker 5: into this season, and he's earned us taking his word

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Speaker 5: for it, So I'm okay with that. The problem to

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Speaker 5: me with the Chiefs, I think they're making the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: I don't have any question about that, but I would

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Speaker 5: not say that they are going back to the super Bowl.

553
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Speaker 5: They just haven't figured out how to recapture that magic

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Speaker 5: they have with Patrick Mahomes. The exploded nixt sprade for

555
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Speaker 5: this offense has gone down and down and down nine

556
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Speaker 5: percent last season. That puts them twenty ninth in the league.

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Speaker 5: And you are talking about a quarterback that has one

558
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Speaker 5: of the most potentials for explosive plays in the entire league.

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Speaker 5: So you look at who they got in there. I

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Speaker 5: just I don't think they had a great offseason, are

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Speaker 5: you of.

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Speaker 2: The beliefs Defenses have taken it away from Mahomes and

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Speaker 2: that was kind of his superpower.

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Speaker 3: Let me just chuck it up.

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Speaker 2: To Tyreek Hill or whoever's going to run under it,

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Speaker 2: and defense like, we're not giving that to you. The

567
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Speaker 2: too high shell e every keep everything in front Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna eventually be like, I got to chuck it.

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Speaker 3: So does he figure it out easily this year with

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Speaker 3: a I don't want to call Kelsey wash, but he's

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Speaker 3: coming off the worst year of his career. I'm not

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Speaker 3: calling him that, but he is coming off a.

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Speaker 2: Terrible Super Bowl. Do they have enough underneath threats like

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Speaker 2: is rash Rice gonna get it done?

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Speaker 5: And by the way, not an explosive receiver either, So

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Speaker 5: even though he's back and that's help them this season,

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Speaker 5: that kind of stuff you're talking about with the Mahomes

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Speaker 5: sort of being able to do the Mahomes razzle dazzle.

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Speaker 5: And we don't even know how much for Shi Rice

580
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Speaker 5: is going to be around because this arbitration case coming up.

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Speaker 5: There's talk about him missing six games according to sources

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Speaker 5: of what the league wants. Obviously the Chiefs want him

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Speaker 5: more at four games. We'll have to see. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he's going to be around in a seventeen game season,

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Speaker 5: but how disruptive.

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Speaker 3: That ends up being is going to be a question.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Again, I think the Chiefs will be fine this year.

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Speaker 3: What's fine? Ten eleven, twelve?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, I just don't see them getting

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Speaker 5: to the super Bowl again because you've got the Baltimore

592
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Speaker 5: Ravens where it feels like, man, this could be their year.

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Speaker 3: You've got the Bills.

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Speaker 5: And Josh Allen where it feels like, man, really they

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Speaker 5: are ready to break through. So I expect, Look, the

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Speaker 5: Chiefs are again going to get some wins off of

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Speaker 5: those one score games that were so exceptional at it

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Speaker 5: last year.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a regression to the mean.

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Speaker 5: You don't think that luck is going to go completely

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Speaker 5: in that direction.

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't just luck.

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Speaker 5: You are talking about such an experienced play caller and

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Speaker 5: Andy Reid, a guy like Patrick Mahomes who can do

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Speaker 5: anything he wants out there when he has the opportunity.

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Speaker 5: I think they will rack up some extra wins the

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Speaker 5: same way they did last season.

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Speaker 3: But they just.

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Speaker 5: Don't feel to me like they are Oh man, their

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Speaker 5: favorite to win the Super.

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Speaker 3: Bowl and the offer wants to like to leave him

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the offensive line stuff, everybody's like, Oh, this

614
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Speaker 2: guy Simmons and he got out of Oh I say, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: he's a game. What a steal? Can we have him

616
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Speaker 2: play a game in the NFL? Like you're just so

617
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Speaker 2: excited because tackle has been an issue in the two

618
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl losses.

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Speaker 5: But they've taken some hits to our offensive line as well.

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Speaker 5: So you know, well, what does that to see how

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Speaker 5: it plays out? But man not making the playoffs, Jason,

622
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Speaker 5: go Bigger.

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Speaker 3: Go home, Rachel.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about another guy who's likely not making the playoffs,

625
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 5: cam Ward Strong. Preseason, though he did orchestra orchestrated TD

626
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Speaker 5: drive in his first action, he did not throw a

627
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Speaker 5: touchdowns in his three appearances, but the Week one matchup

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Speaker 5: in the road against the Froncos on the horizon. Brian

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Speaker 5: Callahan is confident in his rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 11: His commands been outstanding. You know, he doesn't get rattled,

632
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Speaker 11: he fights through and we've over We've had some long

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Speaker 11: down and distances, He's made some plays, He's made some

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Speaker 11: really nice throws. There's just a confidence in his demeanor

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Speaker 11: that I have when he's in there that this is

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Speaker 11: you know, none of it's too big for him. And

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Speaker 11: then he really operates calmly and finds completions and those

638
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Speaker 11: are the things that we've worked on over training camp.

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Speaker 11: He's going to be able to make the big place,

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Speaker 11: you know, that's what he does. And he's gonna be

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Speaker 11: able to move around more when I don't have the

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Speaker 11: governor on him to don't take any hits, but I

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Speaker 11: think all of that stuff has been really positive. He's

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Speaker 11: done well in his limited showing, and I feel confident

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Speaker 11: with where he's at.

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Speaker 5: Look, Brian Callahan is the guy who helped develop Joe

647
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 5: Burrow right. He was the offensive coordinator, and Joe has

648
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Speaker 5: crediting him with making a huge difference.

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Speaker 3: So they have the right guy there.

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Speaker 5: It seems to help develop cam Ward, but cam Ward

651
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Speaker 5: will still be playing on that offense, which is horrible.

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Speaker 3: Jason, what do you think the outlook is for his

653
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Speaker 3: rookie season.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually bullish. I listen, you remember Jaden Daniels. Obviously,

655
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Speaker 2: Washington or nobody had them winning double digit games.

656
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Speaker 3: It was like new coach, new.

657
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Speaker 2: Oc, new owner, knew everything, and he just all the

658
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Speaker 2: attention was on Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels quietly was amazing.

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Speaker 2: I don't see why cam Ward can't orchestrate some magic

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Speaker 2: in Tennessee. I like the offensive line changes. Like you said,

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Speaker 2: Callahan's excellent. They could use a few more receivers. I

663
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Speaker 2: hate to give away fantasy strategy, but Tony Pollard is

664
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: going to eat big time this year. I like him

665
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: a lot, so I'm I think they could win the division.

666
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: I did go to Vegas and one of my bets

667
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: was Titans to win that division. It's kind of a

668
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: long shot, but every year, you know this, somebody goes

669
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Speaker 2: like worse to first. I don't see why it can't

670
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Speaker 2: be Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure I'm going to go that far,

672
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 5: but I appreciate your optimism. I do think cam Ward

673
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 5: appears to be special. It's just not what he does

674
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: on the field. It's the way he approaches the game.

675
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Speaker 5: He seems wise beyond his years. He knows how to

676
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 5: deal with the media. He's a leader on that team already.

677
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 5: The guys really respect him, which is tough when you're

678
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Speaker 5: walking in.

679
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Speaker 3: There as a rookie.

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Speaker 5: He had that fight in training camp, yes, remember where

681
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: a lot of people were like, oh, see, he's showing

682
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Speaker 5: toughness and he's gritty. Can you imagine if Shird or

683
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Speaker 5: Sanders got to fight like that.

684
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Speaker 3: In training camp. We did three hours on that, right exactly.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure people would say, oh, that's great, he's gritty,

686
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 5: but yeah, look, in this context, cam Ward is definitely

687
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Speaker 5: showing he belongs in the NFL, and that's a big

688
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Speaker 5: deal when you haven't even played a game yet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and will Love is I think that hurts out

690
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Speaker 3: for the year. I believe he has so Ward is

691
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Speaker 3: going to have like a long leach.

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Speaker 2: It's like, hey man, you screw up, that's fine, you

693
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Speaker 2: throw three picks, That's okay. Yeah, we're gonna play through it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like Tennessee a little this year to surprise it,

696
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Speaker 2: but not in Week one. Denver probably murders him at

697
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Speaker 2: Mile High.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be uh. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be the biggest thread there for a week one.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Great's got that all right. To the NBA all off season,

702
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Speaker 5: we've heard about reports right Lebron being unhappy with the Lakers,

703
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 5: the Lakers shifting their focus from him to Luka Dancic.

704
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 6: Now.

705
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Speaker 5: Over the summer, there was talk about Lebron potentially forcing

706
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Speaker 5: his way out. I will tell you I've never thought

707
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: that was going to happen, right, but clearly unhappy and

708
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 5: he is going to stay in La. Of course, there

709
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 5: is a team though, that wants to pry him out

710
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Speaker 5: of the Lakers and thinks that maybe at least by

711
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Speaker 5: the trade deadline, they can get him. It is the

712
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Speaker 5: Golden State Warriors a report that they have repeatedly been

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Speaker 5: going after him three or four times in the last

714
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Speaker 5: eighteen months. And the latest trade package they're offering as

715
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Speaker 5: right well involves like taking I mean, the main part

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Speaker 5: of it is taking Jimmy Butler's salary for Lebron's salary,

717
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Speaker 5: which is a salary swap that would work. You know,

718
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Speaker 5: it's so hard to trade these superstars because you've got

719
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Speaker 5: to make the salaries work and the second Apron and

720
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 5: the eighteenth Apron and all this stuff. But that would

721
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Speaker 5: work for the Warriors wouldn't work for the Lakers. The

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Speaker 5: Lakers are determined to have a clean caps yeah going forward,

723
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Speaker 5: because they don't want to find a player over thirty

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Speaker 5: to pair with Lukadancic. They want a super superstar in

725
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 5: his twenties to compare with Lukadancic. So they don't want

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Speaker 5: to be tied to Jimmy Butler's contract, which is why

727
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Speaker 5: they don't want to be tied to Lebron. That's why

728
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Speaker 5: they haven't extended Lebron is because they don't want to

729
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Speaker 5: be tied to that kind of money going forward when

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Speaker 5: they can possibly try to you know, attract either a

731
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Speaker 5: superstar who's unhappy somewhere or get a guy who's upfitter's

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Speaker 5: just free agent.

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Speaker 2: Who are those highlights of on it? I don't even

734
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Speaker 2: recognize that gu's so skinny Gilly? Can you tell who

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Speaker 2: is seventy seven there?

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, Rachel I got to ask, so,

739
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Speaker 2: how do the Lakers get Lebron to Golden State without

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Speaker 2: taking Butler? Can they re route Butler somewhere and then

741
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Speaker 2: bring in someone else.

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Speaker 5: I just don't think the Lakers are interested in making

743
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Speaker 5: this trade. And by the way, they would like Lebron

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Speaker 5: to play for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to go move off Lebron? This

746
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: is all right. I mean, that's what the funny thing

747
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Speaker 3: about it is.

748
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Speaker 5: There is a point in the summer where people talking about, well,

749
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Speaker 5: Lebron wants to win.

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Speaker 3: Now, guess what.

751
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Speaker 5: The Lakers might not be the favorite for the NBA title,

752
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 5: but they are set up very well in a competitive West.

753
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Speaker 5: You've got Lebron who is still playing at an all

754
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Speaker 5: NBA level. You've got Skinny Luca. Skinny could be one

755
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 5: of the top two to three players in the NBA

756
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 5: this season. You've got a supporting cast that again not elites,

757
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 5: but certainly jumps out is filling a lot of their needs.

758
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: The Lakers would like to go with this roster going forward.

759
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 5: The only frustration in the Lebron camp is he is

760
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 5: playing at an all NBA level and to play out

761
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: the final year of his contract without an extension it

762
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: feels insulting. It also feels like if he wants to

763
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 5: play more basketball, he should have the option to stay

764
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: at home and play more basketball, as opposed to the

765
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Speaker 5: Lakers saying goodbye to him. So that's where some of

766
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: the disconnectors come. It's not playing with Luca. He likes

767
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: playing with Luca.

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Speaker 3: So do are you?

769
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Speaker 2: I can't tell if you sound like you think the

770
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Speaker 2: Lakers should offer something beyond this year.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't mean. I mean, look, it's a tough spot.

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00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 5: It's a tough spot to be in, and there's no

773
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: road ahead that we can follow for this, right, It's

774
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 5: never happened before.

775
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: No, Lebron is right.

776
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: A guy playing at that level should always be offered

777
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 5: a contract extension, should not be sitting there hanging on

778
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: the edge, playing at his last year. But also a

779
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 5: guy who's in his early forties should not be offered

780
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 5: contract extensions that would tie up a team with a

781
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: young superstar. So there's no conventional wisdom that applies because

782
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 5: there's never been a situation like this before.

783
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: So we'll just have to see how they go forward.

784
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the Brady exit from New

785
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: England with that similar or was that more of him

786
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: beefing with Belichick?

787
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: Get me the hell out of here. I'm going to

788
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: go to Tampa and win.

789
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Speaker 5: I don't see it as similar, only because I think

790
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 5: Lebron would like to stay with the Lakers and Lebron's

791
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 5: ideal world, in my opinion, have had a heart to

792
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: hurt with him.

793
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: I listen, you're plugged in.

794
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: I don't know have you talked to Lebron, But in

795
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 5: my look, his family is here. He is very settled

796
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 5: in Los Angeles.

797
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: He likes playing for the Lakers.

798
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 5: It's, you know, the showiest franchise in the NBA, and

799
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 5: he is excited to play with Luca. This narrative that

800
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: he's somehow jealous of Luca, it does not exist. He

801
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: has liked Luca Dantic from the minute Luca got into

802
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 5: the league. Luca has always said he patterned his entire

803
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 5: game after Lebron. Luca is going to take off so

804
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: much physical pressure on Lebron this season, but he wants

805
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: to be treated with the respect he thinks he deserves

806
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 5: and the salary that he obviously deserves, and they are

807
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 5: just not sure they can commit to him for that.

808
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: Do you think this is why he's playing golf all

809
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: summer and that's all he's talking about on Instagram?

810
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: I mean I follow him obviously, yes.

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 5: I mean, look, it's nice to be distracted by something, right.

812
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 5: I talked to Rich Paul at Summer League and he

813
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 5: said to me a couple of times, He's like, I've

814
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 5: told Lebron, like, don't pay attention to all of this,

815
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: you know, podcast talk and radio talk and rumors and whatever.

816
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: Do something else clear your head. So maybe Lebron took

817
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: Rich Paul's abuce.

818
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd listen. You know, I'm dee 'ron you. I'm

820
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: sure you covereds of Michael Jordan.

821
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Speaker 3: Back in the day.

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Speaker 6: I did.

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Speaker 3: Can I quickly ask you before we go.

824
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: To break who your goat is in the NBA?

825
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 5: Different eras man, I'm of the different eras argument. I'm sorry,

826
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Speaker 5: I just I don't think you can compare great. The

827
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 5: game is so much different, so different, These guys are

828
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 5: so different. Well cop outs, you're trying to Okay, do

829
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Speaker 5: you want to compare Michael Jordan to Bill Russell?

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Speaker 3: Do that one for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Russell was like eighteens in lead. I

832
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Speaker 2: think there was a maybe, But good stuff. Rachel Rachel

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Speaker 2: Nichols with the news.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 10: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, I got some Detroit Lions fans. I'm buddies

837
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: with them. They're really geeked about the season, and I'm

838
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: trying to tell them I think the Super Bowl windows closing.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. Next.

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Speaker 10: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 10: and noon Eastern a EM Pacific.

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Speaker 5: All right, since the moment it was announced, you know,

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Speaker 5: everyone's had this matchup circle. The arch Manning Era kicks

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Speaker 5: off with the Playoff, a free match for the ages

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Speaker 5: number one Texas taking on defending national champion number three

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Speaker 5: Ohio State on Big Noon.

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Speaker 3: Saturday.

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Speaker 5: Coverage begins, of course, with Big Nude Kickoff live from

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Speaker 5: Columbus starts at nine am Eastern Saturday, on Fox.

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait for that.

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Speaker 2: We'll do a lot of college football leading up to

852
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Speaker 2: the opening weekend, so many good games.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

854
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: However, I quickly wanted to tell a quick story. So

855
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: in college, me and my buddies, you know, we were

856
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: kind of negative.

857
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Speaker 3: We would make fun of each other a lot. That's

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Speaker 3: what dudes do.

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00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: You know, you roll up to gather the pregame and

860
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: go out and be like, oh, that shirt is so tired,

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Speaker 2: why didn't you get a haircut? We just make fun

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00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: of each other. That's what guys do. And then this

863
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: new guy joined our group and he was like, why

864
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: are you guys so negative? You need to be way

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Speaker 2: more positive and hype each other up. So we started

866
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: to build each other up. Oh you're so money. I

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Speaker 2: think it had a lot to do with the Swingers

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Speaker 2: movie Vince Vaughan, and I want to bring that up

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Speaker 2: because of the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 3: Dan Campbell took to the todium this week.

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Speaker 2: And he is irrationally excited, almost like it's fake pump

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00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: up raw raw stuff. Take a listen to Dan Campbell

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Speaker 2: about his excitement about his roster. Listen.

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Speaker 12: Year five, This is the best we felt about it

875
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 12: kind of top to bottom. And now that being said,

876
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 12: there's still holes. But I bring this up all the time.

877
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 12: Every roster has holes and you'll never have it exactly

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00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 12: where you totally want it. But from where we've come

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00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 12: year after year, this is we've taken in another level.

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Speaker 2: I like that medium look from Dan Campbell. That's the

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Speaker 2: money money look Dan. Listen, he's talking a big game.

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Speaker 2: But folks, so bad news. I think the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: windows closed. Remember we've seen teams get close. My jets

884
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: with Mark Sanchez, shout out Mark and Rex Ryan.

885
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: Two antsy title games in a row.

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Speaker 2: Everybody thinks we got something here. No playoff appearances since

887
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: you go back to the Jim Kelly Bills, four straight

888
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Speaker 2: Super Bowls and they were in the wilderness for twenty

889
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Speaker 2: years before Josh Allen showed up. Okay, it is hard,

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Speaker 2: and this Lions team is going to backslide. They win

891
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: at fifteen games. I asked the staff to get the

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00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Lion's schedule on the screen. Are you guys ready for this?

893
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: The Detroit Lions have the toughest road schedule in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: On the road, these are the quarterbacks they have to

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Speaker 2: face the season. Jordan Love, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes,

896
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: That's before Halloween.

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00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: They got to go too, Jalen Hurts, they got to

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00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: go to Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 3: Guys, that is absolutely brutal. And oh, by the.

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00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: Way, down two interior offensive lineman one retired and they

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00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: let Ziegler go, one of my boys who puts together

903
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: a great NFL gambling right up said, those two offensive

904
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: linemen that were lost over the last three seasons were

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00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: top five at their position.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge step back.

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Speaker 2: They're starting a third round rookie, likely at center and

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Speaker 2: then the obviously the position coaches are huge Ben Johnson

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Speaker 2: and Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 3: Those are massive losses.

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00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: So the new OC Okay, he has not been an

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Speaker 2: offensive quarter nader since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: He was in OC and then didn't go well, hasn't

914
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Speaker 3: been in OC again until this year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, their new defensive coordinator was playing in the league.

916
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Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen.

917
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Speaker 2: The highest he got as a coach coach before getting

918
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Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator gig was a linebacker coach.

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Speaker 3: Guys, this is gonna be a big regression.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 2: They had fourteen indoor games last year down to ten. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying the Lion's totally crumble. There's not a

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Speaker 2: ton of cold weather games, although they go to Chicago

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Speaker 2: in the final week of the season, but they do

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00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: have to go to Philly and Washington. Could be cold

926
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Speaker 2: weather games we'll see likely no October November.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't see it.

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Speaker 2: A list of the quarterbacks they have to face must

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Speaker 2: terrify you when you look at the defense. Guys, the

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00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: depth chart for that defense is what's going on.

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Speaker 3: You remember the movie.

932
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: Major League where they would be like every season it

933
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: is like, who the bleep are these guys? Look at

934
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: that Lion's defense and you're like, she's We're cooked.

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Speaker 3: We got to stop these quarterbacks with these guys. Listen,

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Speaker 3: I had them missing the playoffs and I think the.

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl windows closed now. Jared gob obviously lives in

938
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Speaker 2: my area. I'm rooting for you, Jared, but it's an

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Speaker 2: uphill climb. Final hour coming up next year.

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Speaker 3: On a Monday on the Herd,