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Speaker 1: So you have the FBI whistle blowers, and there are

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Chairman, Comer, Chairman Smith, Chairman Jordan, ranking member Asking,

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Speaker 3: and members of the Committee. Today, I sit here before

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Speaker 2: In the Internal Revenue Service.

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Speaker 3: At the Internal Revenue Service, no one should be above

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Speaker 3: Despite these facts, the plea deal that is that is

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Speaker 3: I still think that a special council is necessary for

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and I look forward to.

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Speaker 1: The powerful opening statement of Gary Shapley, IRS whistleblower is

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Speaker 5: Thank you for inviting me to testify here today. I

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Speaker 2: My name is Gary Shapley.

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Speaker 5: I've worked as a special Agent for IRS Criminal Investigation

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Speaker 5: Based on my experience, I'm here to tell you that

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Speaker 5: Investigators were not allowed to follow up on WhatsApp messages

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Speaker 2: But that was not true.

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Speaker 5: intents and purposes, the case was dead, with the exemption

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Speaker 5: of one gun charge that could be brought in Delaware,

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Speaker 5: and yet when Senator Chuck Grassley asked a Train General

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Speaker 5: Garland about the case in March twenty twenty three, Garland testified,

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Speaker 5: the United States Attorney has been advised he has full

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Speaker 5: authority to make those referrals you're talking about, or to

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Speaker 5: bring cases in other districts if he needs to do that.

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Speaker 5: He has been advised that he should should get.

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Speaker 2: Anything he needs.

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Speaker 5: After the October seventh Redline meeting, there was no way

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Speaker 5: to reconcile the United States Attorney Weiss's statement, his office's

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Speaker 5: actions with and his office's actions with Attorney General Garland's

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Speaker 5: public testimony. I am one hundred percent certain of what

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Speaker 5: Delaware US Attorney's office did and seeking approval from political

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Speaker 5: pointees in DC and California. The New York Times reported

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Speaker 5: as independently confirmed the charges being presented in Decline in California.

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Speaker 5: Plenty of other witnesses are familiar with these facts. In

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Speaker 5: addition to those who witness US Attorney Weiss's private admission,

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Speaker 5: I encourage them to step forward and tell the truth

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Speaker 5: about what happened and what they heard. Let me be clear,

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Speaker 5: although these facts contradict Attorney General Garland's testimony and raise

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Speaker 5: serious questions for you investigation. I have never claimed to

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Speaker 5: have evidence that Attorney General Garland knowingly lied to Congress.

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Speaker 5: Whether Attorney General Garland knew his testimony was false is

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Speaker 5: for you and the inspector generals to determine, not me.

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Speaker 5: The same is true for the United States Attorney Weiss's

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Speaker 5: three letters of Congress since June twenty twenty three. Is

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Speaker 5: for others to investigate and determine whether those letters contain

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Speaker 5: knowingly false statements. However, it's clear that United States Attorney

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Speaker 5: Wiss's story to the American public has evolved. He's gone

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Speaker 5: from unequivocally echoing Attorney General Garland to just one month later,

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Speaker 5: corroborating the disclosures we made about limits on his authority.

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Speaker 5: Weiss first said he can charge anywhere, then admitted he's

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Speaker 5: geographically limited to go beyond those limits. Weiss later admitted

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Speaker 5: he had to partner a special authority. Garland said Weiss

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Speaker 5: has authority. United States Attorney Weiss said he's been assured

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Speaker 5: he would get authority if he never requested or deny

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Speaker 5: special authority from Attorney General Garland, as he told us

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Speaker 5: on October seven, The American public deserves to hear why

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Speaker 5: allowed twenty fourteen to twenty fifteen DC charges to expire.

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Speaker 5: No number of carefully worded denials or evolving half truth

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Speaker 5: can overshadow this stark fact. United States Attorney Weis and

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Speaker 5: Attorney General Garland will each be sitting before these committees

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Speaker 5: one day they will have to admit that, despite all

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Speaker 5: their obfuscation, the absolute fact is that this case was

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Speaker 5: presented to two presidentially appointed US attorneys in DC and California,

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Speaker 5: that no charges were brought and those districts tells you

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Speaker 5: everything that you need to know. I don't claim to

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Speaker 5: be privy to United States Attorney Weiss or Attorney General

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Speaker 5: Garland's communications, but United States Attorney Weiss told us that

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Speaker 5: he was not the deciding person that he had requested

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Speaker 5: and was denied special authority after DC decline charges, and

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Speaker 5: that if California declients he will have to request special

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Speaker 5: authorities again. I understood the gravity of those admissions. Whether

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Speaker 5: full responsibility lies the United States Attorney Weiss, Attorney General

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Speaker 5: Garland is for Congress, the inspector generals, and ultimately the

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Speaker 5: public to decide. When I decided after October seventh, come forward,

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Speaker 5: I and began researching whistleblower attorneys. I wanted to abide

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Speaker 5: by the law in every way as I navigated the

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Speaker 5: complex taxpayer privacy and grand jury secrecy statutes. I carefully

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Speaker 5: followed the whistleblower process to the letter, with the advice

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Speaker 5: of counsel at every step. I am fortunate to be

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Speaker 5: represented by Mark Lydele, a federal prosecutor for twenty five years,

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Speaker 5: including five years with the Department of Justice Tax Division.

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Speaker 5: I'm also grateful for Empower Oversight, a nonprofit whistleblower group

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Speaker 5: who's president, Tristan Levitt, was previously nominated by President Biden

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Speaker 5: to the Merit Systems Protection Board and unanimously confirmed by

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Speaker 5: the United States Senate. While some have tried to paint

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Speaker 5: me with a partisan brush because this charitable organization employees

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Speaker 5: some former staffers to GOP members on Capitol Hill, their

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Speaker 5: expertise developed working for the patron saintan whistleblowers, Senator Chuck

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Speaker 5: Grassley has been invaluable. Meanwhile, the Biden family attorneys appear

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Speaker 5: to be representing Hunter Biden, President Biden, and the Department

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Speaker 5: of Justice, and they are not working for free. Has

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Speaker 5: been reported in public sources that there is a large

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Speaker 5: fund paying for legal fees for Biden family attorneys. The

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Speaker 5: source of those funds is unknown. They have virtually unlimited

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Speaker 5: resources to pursue their agenda, while my motives are questioned

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Speaker 5: simply for finding competent representation from a small nonprofit.

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Speaker 2: That helps whistleblowers.

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Speaker 5: Groups such as Empower Oversight and Whistleblower Aid a only

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Speaker 5: path to ensure whistleblowers like me are heard and receive

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Speaker 5: competent advice. My intention was not to be your sole

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Speaker 5: source of information, and I employ you to take the

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Speaker 5: necessary steps to obtain as much evidence as possible from

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Speaker 5: as many sources as possible to be able to fully

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Speaker 5: inform your conclusions. I'm confident that after you have done that,

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Speaker 5: both sides will find serious issues with the Hunter Biden

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Speaker 5: investigation that closely align with my testimony. No matter your party,

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Speaker 5: I am not opposition. I am here with information for

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Speaker 5: you to examine, investigate, and determine whether more action is

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Speaker 5: warranted on your part. I am on your team, whether

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Speaker 5: we agree on every politically sensitive issue or not. There's

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Speaker 5: no benefit from me blowing the whistle on this case.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely none. I have no book deal and the only

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Speaker 5: money that goes into my bank account every two weeks

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Speaker 5: is from my employment for the federal government. I am

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Speaker 5: still a supervisor leading a group of twelve fantastic agents

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Speaker 5: working complex international investigations. Unfortunately, to this day, my immediate

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Speaker 5: supervisors are retaliating against me for making protected disclosures. Even

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Speaker 5: last fall, Biden family attorneys attacked investigators in the pages

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Speaker 5: of the Washington Posts and threatened to prosecutors with career

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Speaker 5: and threatened the prosecutors with career suicide if they brought

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Speaker 5: chargers against the President's son. Then one of the Biden

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Speaker 5: family attorneys sends to the press a ten page, error

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Speaker 5: filled letter that attacked me with innuendo, false statements, and

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Speaker 5: baseless speculation that had leaked that I had leaked information

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Speaker 5: to the Washington Washington Post. These statements by Biden family

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Speaker 5: attorneys are faults. In conclusion, the American people for whom

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Speaker 5: this body works, I employ you to look at the facts,

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Speaker 5: not agenda a statements from either side of the aisle.

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Speaker 5: I am the average American citizen who worries about how

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Speaker 5: I will send my kids to college and if I'll

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Speaker 5: ever have enough money to retire, just like most people

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Speaker 5: watching this today. I am the person the first person

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Speaker 5: in my family to go to college. It was not

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Speaker 5: an Ivy League school, and I don't have a network

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Speaker 5: of rich and powerful friends to help me weather the

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Speaker 5: storms of retaliation and character assassination. I am putting myself

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Speaker 5: at risk for the American people who support me and

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Speaker 5: for those who do not. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 5: I'm just a small town kid from Norwich, New York

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Speaker 5: who worked hard to get where I am and will

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Speaker 5: never compromise my integrity. I will never forget who I am,

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Speaker 5: where I come from, or all the people in my

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Speaker 5: life who have made me who I am today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all for your time.

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Speaker 1: I was I R S whistleblower Gary Shapleigh. After hearing

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Speaker 1: from Joe Ziegler, we'll hear at the top of the

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Speaker 1: hour from House Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Jordan will join us.

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Speaker 1: Then later on all things simple man, Bill O'Reilly, the

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Speaker 1: FBI and DOJ weaponized, And then later Bill O'Reilly