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Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giants Little Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm John Shmelk. It's all brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 1: the official bank of the Giants. I'm John Schmelk. He's

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Speaker 1: been joining us for darn near a decade now. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Miller. He is now one of the great

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Speaker 1: draft analysts over at ESPN. Matt, it's good to see him. Man, Uh,

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Speaker 1: are you like in full sprint mode right now? Are

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Speaker 1: you sleeping? I mean we are right gotten heavy with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a lot of sleep in the month of April.

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Speaker 2: That's okay. We get caught up in May and June

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Speaker 2: for sure. So it's it's the for sure sprint right now.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's similar to how NFL teams are here

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Speaker 2: right now, making sure you've got a handle on every player.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the hard part for me right now is

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Speaker 2: living in that fear of a player's name being called

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Speaker 2: on day three that you don't have notes on so

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Speaker 2: I'm checking my list multiple times. I'm a week away

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure that, you know, when you're

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Speaker 2: and you're so I'm literally going line by line on

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Speaker 2: my rankings list to make sure that I didn't, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, hit hit a four instead of a six

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Speaker 2: down one hundred spots. I've done that before, So that is, uh,

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Speaker 2: that is a true story of like a lesson learned

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Speaker 2: of like I didn't have a seventh round grade on

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Speaker 2: had to correct that one. So that's that's where I'm

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's rough. How deep do your final rankings

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Speaker 1: have to go these days? One hundred and fifty one

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Speaker 2: Oh no, like five hundred, five hundred? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The goal is whats going on the website too? Or no?

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Speaker 2: It I believe it? Yeah it will yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of my job has really changed since

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Speaker 2: coming to ESPN. You know, last year was my first

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Speaker 2: and I learned a lot sitting there. I learned a

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Speaker 2: has really been a priority for me to you know,

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Speaker 2: go back to some of my roots of you know,

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Speaker 2: when I was a Bleacher report and we would break

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Speaker 2: it's not just you know, we're talking about the first

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Speaker 2: put those guys to bed pretty early now and start

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Speaker 2: really cramming for Day three. So it's it's been fun,

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Speaker 1: No, that's awesome, man, that's great. Of course, you can

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Speaker 1: check out all of Matt's great stuff ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 1: He's on a million different shows. You'll be seeing on

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Speaker 1: an NFL Live, the covers of the Draft for ESPN

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Check all that out. Matt

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Speaker 1: does a fantastic job, all right, So let's start more

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Speaker 1: with what you're hearing here, Matt, They've been a bunch

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Speaker 1: All right, so give me a sense. Then, I think

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Speaker 2: guests right now what happens. I think three four and five,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it could. And I think where I'm sitting in

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Speaker 1: And here's the problem. The demand for the quarterback is

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Speaker 2: Love that move, But that's draft capital that you could

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, you know he's a more of that

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Speaker 1: Well how about this man. Let's say Harrison is sitting

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Speaker 2: Let's be realistic. The Buffalo Bills are highly unlikely that

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Speaker 1: Would Joe all be a conversation with you for the

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Speaker 2: No, he wouldn't be. And I like Joel a lot.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. I'm one hundred percent. I

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Speaker 1: I mentioned? You did your seven round mouth draft. Everyone

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Speaker 1: The interesting one is the round two pick where you

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Speaker 2: He has a very wide draft range because so much

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Speaker 2: really really good guard group. Probably between picks fifty and

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Speaker 2: one hundred.

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Speaker 1: go through you last couple of picks here before you

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Speaker 1: say goodbye. Third round, and I think this is a

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Speaker 1: sweet spot. You know this a round four for the

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Speaker 1: running back class in this draft. You give the Giants

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Speaker 1: Marshall Lloyd. I think just from a pure tool size,

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Speaker 1: speed at legsism standpoint, he's a top running back in

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Speaker 1: this class. I also like guys like well Shipley, I

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Speaker 1: think they're really good. Your thoughts on Lloyd and the

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Speaker 1: what type of running back. Do you think Brian Dable

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Speaker 1: would like to add to this group?

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Speaker 2: That is a big question, you know, are they looking

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Speaker 2: for more of the James Cook slasher style, who's a

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Speaker 2: good receiver of the backfield They're looking for Marshall Lloyd's

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Speaker 2: more of a punisher. He really is more of a

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Speaker 2: between the tackles guy, you know, five foot nine, two

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Speaker 2: undred and twenty pounds back is almost more that kind

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Speaker 2: of like Devin Singletary. You know, a player who is

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Speaker 2: you know, shorter on the shorter side, been incredibly powerful.

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Speaker 2: He broke out at USC after starting his career in

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Speaker 2: South Carolina and proved to be I think one of

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Speaker 2: the more decisive runners in this class. Has really really

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Speaker 2: good vision, whether that be off tackle or inside zone

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Speaker 2: type play. So big, huge fan of Lloyd. He's not

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Speaker 2: my top running back of Jonathan Brooks there, but I

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Speaker 2: know some teams believe he is the top back in

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Speaker 2: this class. So again, you're drafting someone I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: similar in style to Singletary, but has a higher upside

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Speaker 2: coming into the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Then you have Tyler Davis in round number five to

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Matt and He's a guy that I think

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Speaker 1: is just kind of as solid as you come defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: He can stop the run well, he had a little

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Speaker 1: bit of pass rush hues. I thought he was good

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Speaker 1: in mobile.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same here. That was my big note on him

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Speaker 2: was I liked him a lot in Mobile. Kind of

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Speaker 2: under the radar for that Clemson d line this past year.

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Speaker 2: But someone I know, I was talking to scouts about

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Speaker 2: him a year ago, you know, because there was a

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Speaker 2: thought that he would have been in that twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three draft class. People already evaluating him. But he does.

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Speaker 2: He he brings more pass rush juice than I think

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Speaker 2: he was able to show at Clemson. I think at

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Speaker 2: times he was asked to, you know, be a run

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Speaker 2: first guy. But go back to his freshman tape when

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Speaker 2: they were loaded up front and he was free to

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Speaker 2: penetrate a little bit more in one gap and he

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Speaker 2: really really shined. So again, Dexter Lawrence is great, You've

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Speaker 2: got one one tackle spot lockdown, but I think Davis

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Speaker 2: could be a guy that's at least a rotational defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: And then finally Matt and we're gonna hold. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: hold these year. Every one of these seven round map

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Speaker 1: draft picks have got to be right all two fifty seven,

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Speaker 1: I hope. So, yeah, you have to hit them all.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's really not that hard. I don't understand

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Speaker 1: why you can't do it right. But the seventh draft,

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Speaker 1: think Willy Drew cornerback Virginia Stay, give me the lowdown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a small school guy, but you know

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Speaker 2: five in I think two years ago, six interceptions last year,

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Speaker 2: had over thirty passes defense the last two seasons and

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Speaker 2: at a small school like That's what I'm always looking

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Speaker 2: for is like do you have dominant production or athleticism?

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Speaker 2: Like do you have one or the other? He's got both,

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Speaker 2: and so I think it's a late round pick. You

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Speaker 2: want to bet on that upside in that production. And

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Speaker 2: you know, guys come out of that range all the

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Speaker 2: time that surprised us and become really good NFL players.

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Speaker 1: All right, final question before we say goodbye, Matt, as

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Speaker 1: of what we know now recording this at around two

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Speaker 1: twenty on April fourth, what do you think the most

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Speaker 1: likely selection is for the Giants at six overall?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'll say, Melik Neighbors. I'll stick with

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Speaker 2: that one for now. It's it's gonna get crazy at

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Speaker 2: the top of this draft. I really do believe that

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Speaker 2: we haven't even got to the point where we start

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Speaker 2: to hear about who wants to trade up. But I'll

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Speaker 2: go meleak neighbors for now.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't think these trades can happen

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Speaker 1: till Draft night. By the way, just for the record, Like,

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Speaker 1: until you know who Washington is taking it too, how's

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Speaker 1: going to trade up to three or even four? It's tough.

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Speaker 2: You could do a lot of work, you could set

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Speaker 2: the table for the trade, but it's all contingent on

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Speaker 2: Like we're so in New England. You can have, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we like Drake May if he's gone, we'll trade, or

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Speaker 2: we like Jane Daniels if he's gone, will trade. You

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Speaker 2: can do all that, but until Washington makes that pick,

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Speaker 2: we won't know. And that's what makes it fun this year,

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Speaker 2: is we know who the first pick will be. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to have the little celebratory Caleb Williams ten minutes

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Speaker 2: and then we're all gonna wonder what happens next.

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Speaker 1: All right, Matt, Tell the folks who go to find

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Speaker 1: your great.

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Speaker 2: Work at ESPN dot com, or you can follow along

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Speaker 2: on social media at NFL Draft Scout.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Matt, good stuff. My friend knows you're talking to you. Brother.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate you man, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Miller Johnson the podcast. We'll see you next time. Everybody,