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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News. Joining us now is

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Speaker 1: Congressman Mike Turner of Ohio, chair of the House Select

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Speaker 1: Committee on Intelligence, who has been pushing for these votes

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Speaker 1: for some time now. Mister Chairman, welcome to Bloomberg. We're

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Speaker 1: glad to have you here. I wonder your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: what we just heard from the Speaker of the House.

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Speaker 1: I really do believe the intel and the briefings that

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Speaker 1: we've gotten, and it comes just hours after your committee,

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Speaker 1: yourself and the ranking member of the Intelligence Commission Committee

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Speaker 1: issued a statement that made clear that Ukraine funding needed.

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Speaker 2: To pass this week.

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Speaker 1: Can you speak to the urgency as to why this

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Speaker 1: week and what you told Speaker Johnson to bring him

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Speaker 1: to this point?

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Speaker 3: Joe, Well, the intelligence is very clear. Ukraine is at

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Speaker 3: a critical point. As the Speaker just said, they are

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Speaker 3: running out of ammunition. Russia is certainly surging and putting

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Speaker 3: additional pressure on that front line, and also the lack

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Speaker 3: of US support is impacting morale even in Ukraine. But

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Speaker 3: their ability to be able to sustain the fight, and

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Speaker 3: they are fighting honorably to keep Russia from taking additional

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Speaker 3: ground in Ukraine is essential. Also, we have the issue

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Speaker 3: of that in this package. I think this will result

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Speaker 3: in the Administration giving additional weapons capabilities to Ukraine so

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Speaker 3: we can change the.

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Speaker 2: Dynamics on the battlefield.

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Speaker 3: They need longer range weapons, they need to be able

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Speaker 3: to hit Crimea, they need to be able to hit

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Speaker 3: the supply lines of Russia as they're coming into Ukraine

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Speaker 3: as part of this aggression.

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Speaker 2: I think this package is.

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Speaker 3: Desperately needed to turn the tide on this conflict and

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Speaker 3: support Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: But sir, how quickly can it do? So you speak

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Speaker 4: of changing the dynamics on the ground, how quickly can

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Speaker 4: this make a difference in a fight that Ukraine has

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Speaker 4: already engaged in, knowing there may be a lag for

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Speaker 4: them to receive some of this.

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Speaker 2: So I've asked this question both to our Department of Defense.

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Speaker 3: We had the US ambassador from Ukraine, the US Master

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Speaker 3: Chie Ukraine that was here with us today. All of

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Speaker 3: them report that we are boys going to get this

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Speaker 3: aid to them immediately. So if this passage passes, and

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Speaker 3: I think it will overwhelmingly this Saturday, the United States

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Speaker 3: is POI to make certain that the ammunition is in

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Speaker 3: the hands of the Ukrainians and that they're able to

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Speaker 3: take it directly to the fight with Russia.

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Speaker 1: There's been a call for border funding as well. Of course,

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Speaker 1: this is a big debate leading into the Senate bill

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Speaker 1: that passed. I know border aid was a question in

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Speaker 1: the Senate, Congressman, and there was an attempt to get

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Speaker 1: some border legislation cleared through rules last evening.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: Congressman chip Roy, you're a colleague from Texas, issued a

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Speaker 1: statement saying sorry, not sorry. If we're opposing a crappy

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Speaker 1: rule that is a show vote, a cover vote for

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Speaker 1: funding Ukraine instead of border security. The refrain been hearing

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Speaker 1: from the Republican conferences. Protect our own border before we

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Speaker 1: do so our allies. Will there be a border piece

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Speaker 1: that comes along with this legislation this weekend?

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Speaker 2: The House has.

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Speaker 3: Already passed HR two that would effectively complete the border

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Speaker 3: wall and close the border and at the same time

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Speaker 3: hold accountable the administration for what they've created.

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Speaker 2: In this open border situation. Well over inter still in peace.

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Speaker 1: It didn't get a single democratic Bothe though, mister Chairman,

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Speaker 1: will it be attached to this package again for another look?

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Speaker 3: I want to see what the final packages that comes

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Speaker 3: off the House floor Saturday, but currently it is not

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Speaker 3: expected to be attached to the Ukrainian funding, the Israeli

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Speaker 3: funding and the other and the funding for Southeast Asia.

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Speaker 3: But this bill is sitting over in the Senate and

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Speaker 3: it is a bill.

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Speaker 2: That needs to pass.

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Speaker 3: Overwhelmingly, the American public are just disgusted and just shocked

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Speaker 3: if the administration is not doing anything to protect what

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Speaker 3: is the environment, the threat environment that we have in

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Speaker 3: the country as a result of these eight million people

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Speaker 3: who walked across the border. The FBI director has repeatedly

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Speaker 3: said that we're the highest threat level currently for a

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Speaker 3: terrorist attack in this country as a result of the

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Speaker 3: open border. The Biden administration needs to take action, and

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Speaker 3: certainly this House has with SAR two and the City

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Speaker 3: should take up that bill immediately.

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Speaker 4: Well, mister Chairman, as you rightly point out, it's not

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Speaker 4: just aid for Israel and Ukraine and Taiwan that are included.

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Speaker 4: There are other elements as well. But on the subject

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Speaker 4: of Israel, of course, we are still waiting to see

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Speaker 4: what the response from Israel might be to the Iranian

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Speaker 4: attack over this past weekend, which of course the US,

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Speaker 4: together with others like the UK, did intercept the vast

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Speaker 4: majority of what was sent Israel's way. Knowing that that

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Speaker 4: attack largely was unsuccessful, what would be a proportionate response

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Speaker 4: from Israel. Is it possible in your mind, Sir, that

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Speaker 4: Israel could go too far?

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Speaker 3: I will leave it to what their response should be,

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Speaker 3: But first of all, let's put this in perspective. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: this administration believes that if you use missile defense to

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Speaker 3: thwart an attack, that the attack didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: The attack did happen.

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Speaker 3: Iran attacked Israel directly from its soil with over three

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Speaker 3: hundred drones and missiles. Previously, though Iran has been continuously

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Speaker 3: attacking Israel through Hamas HESBLA and of course through the

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Speaker 3: Hoho thies have been even attacking our commercial shipping lanes.

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Speaker 3: They train them, they equipped and provide them weapons.

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Speaker 2: To these groups and terrorist organizations.

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Speaker 3: Of course, AMAS or betraying the October seventh attackle on Israel.

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Speaker 3: So Iran already has been attacking Israel. This is the

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Speaker 3: first time that it was direct and certainly I don't

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Speaker 3: think that just because missile defense is effective that Iran

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Speaker 3: or the United Say.

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Speaker 2: Should look the other way.

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Speaker 1: So if the attacker doesn't lay a glove on you.

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Speaker 1: You still respond, is what you're saying, mister Chairman. But

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Speaker 1: what is a proportionate response? What could Israel do here

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Speaker 1: as a military answer that would not wear on the

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Speaker 1: alliance that includes the UK, France and others. This has

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Speaker 1: been a very delicate matter, of course domestically for President Biden.

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Speaker 2: What's the right move?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, certainly they won't be sending three hundred

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Speaker 3: missiles and kamikaze drones into Iran. So I think if

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Speaker 3: you're asking for what is a proportionate issue, I think

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Speaker 3: certainly Israel's not going to be responding at the same

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Speaker 3: level that I Ran did. Iran sent a lethal force

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Speaker 3: toward Israel, and it just because we have invested with them,

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Speaker 3: we've co developed their missile defense, and of course we

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Speaker 3: ate it. As you widely reported, Joe, the u K

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Speaker 3: was part of that umbrella that gave missile defense its

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Speaker 3: ability to take down these missiles. But this was a

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Speaker 3: serious threat and attack by Iran and it should be

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Speaker 3: be viewed as such.

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Speaker 4: Sir. We'd like to turn back to just the affairs

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Speaker 4: in your chamber with our final minutes, with you knowing

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Speaker 4: that the cost of bringing aid for Israel and Ukraine

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Speaker 4: and everyone else to the may be ultimately the Speaker's gavel.

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Speaker 4: What is your degree of confidence that Mike Johnson, having

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Speaker 4: said today that he will not change the rules that

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Speaker 4: allows any one member to bring forward a motion to vacate,

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Speaker 4: is going to be able to make it out the

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Speaker 4: other side of this. Is it a mistake for him

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Speaker 4: not to change those rules? Would that be a better decision?

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Speaker 3: Now we Speaker Johnson is being incredibly courageous, and you've

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Speaker 3: heard him as you were reporting. He is saying he's

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Speaker 3: doing the right thing, and certainly he should be rewarded

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Speaker 3: for doing the right thing bringing this bill to the

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Speaker 3: floor so that we can pass this on to the Senate,

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Speaker 3: and since the presence desk is essential for our national security,

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Speaker 3: and I certainly did, but I think overwhelmingly the membership

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Speaker 3: of Congress is thankful that he's doing so. Now. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that the small band of the Chaos Caucus,

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Speaker 3: those who want to remove to Johnson, have the votes

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Speaker 3: on the Democrat side to be able to remove. You

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Speaker 3: have to remember that the small group that removed Kevin

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Speaker 3: McCarthy could only do so with the support of the

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Speaker 3: Democrats on the floor, and I think this time that

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Speaker 3: if they go to the floor, they're going to stand alone.

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Speaker 3: There'll be a very small minority, they'll be exposed for

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Speaker 3: being a very small minority, and they will be unsuccessful.

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Speaker 4: All Right, mister chairman, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 4: us this evening. That's House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Turner

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Speaker 4: of Ohio. We appreciate your time, sir,