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Speaker 1: It is Monday, August twenty six, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number thirty two. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
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Speaker 1: Got Nick Amber and Dave with me. We're talking to
Speaker 1: Cowboys football here with you guys for the next hour.
Speaker 1: A lot to get into. Cowboys get a big win.
Speaker 1: I guess if you can call a preseason game a
Speaker 1: big win. But they do blow the pants off of
Speaker 1: Houston Texans thirty four to nothing. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about that, talk about some of the standout players.
Speaker 1: We're also going to go back through a list that
Speaker 1: I threw out to you guys on Friday about some
Speaker 1: of the some of the bubble guys, some of the
Speaker 1: battles that were happening, and see if in any of
Speaker 1: those there were guys. How they played this week weekend
Speaker 1: if that affected any of those battles in your perspective. Uh.
Speaker 1: Let's start first, though, with a little bit of blanket coverage.
Speaker 1: We haven't done this in a while. I have a
Speaker 1: few statements for you. Still training camp, still training camp.
Speaker 1: I have a few statements for you guys, and I'll
Speaker 1: let you guys fill in the blank. Let's start with
Speaker 1: the first statement. Dallas has dallass looked pretty good during
Speaker 1: the preseason, extremely polished versus Houston with teams limiting their starters.
Speaker 1: What I take from the Dallas performances is blank. Start
Speaker 1: with you, Amber, um do whisper over there? We say
Speaker 1: it again, just that last sentence part again. What I'd
Speaker 1: say from the Dallas performance is okay, performance a performances.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry because I'm looking at this from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of this game and the last game preseason. What I
Speaker 1: take from their performances is um, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm excited. I like what I see,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I like what I see. I like
Speaker 1: the different elements that they have, the different guys. Seeing
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, the things that he's been able to do
Speaker 1: so far, but I'm hesitating to get super excited about it,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know what the Cowboys tend to
Speaker 1: do to us with those feelings. So I'm just very
Speaker 1: cautious with that. But I'm really excited and I feel
Speaker 1: positive about Kellen Moore and what he's able He's been
Speaker 1: able to accomplish so far. I feel that he hasn't
Speaker 1: shown us everything, so that's good, and with what we've
Speaker 1: seen so far, I expect the regular season to be
Speaker 1: even more once he lets it all go and shows
Speaker 1: us everything that he's got. I'm excited, Dave sweet sweet relief, okay,
Speaker 1: and a variety of ways. But most importantly, you know,
Speaker 1: we got through the meat of the preseason with no
Speaker 1: significant injuries and starters played in all the games. Nobody
Speaker 1: got hurt. I think, keep an eye on Taco Charlton's
Speaker 1: ankle injury, but I don't. You know, we're not classifying
Speaker 1: that as a season altering injuries. So they did that.
Speaker 1: On top of that, the offense and defense both looked
Speaker 1: about as strong as you could expect them too. In
Speaker 1: exhibition games. You know, Dak looked good eleven and fourteen
Speaker 1: for one O nine and a touchdown led scoring drives
Speaker 1: on three of his four possessions. The running backs that
Speaker 1: played in place of Zeke looked good. The defense gave
Speaker 1: up one touchdown and it came after a muff point
Speaker 1: put him on a short field. You could call it dominant.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, because it's fake football. But they
Speaker 1: looked really good, Like just in general, like all of
Speaker 1: the concerns that you had about the preseason heading into it,
Speaker 1: none of them turned out to be a big deal,
Speaker 1: with injury being at the top of that list. So
Speaker 1: I feel relieved. Nick. Yeah, I think that. You know,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett loves to say next man up. I haven't
Speaker 1: always thought it was it's the best philosophy to use sometimes,
Speaker 1: but I understand the premise of it, and I think
Speaker 1: if you watch the preseason and realize where the key
Speaker 1: players were out right behind them, those guys have done well.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Gallup has done a really nice job.
Speaker 1: He is a solid number two. I think Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: did a nice job in Zeke's absence. I think Xavier's
Speaker 1: to a Philo showed why he needs to be on
Speaker 1: this team. And Zack Martin's absence, I think that the
Speaker 1: defensive events, all of them Hyder and Dorian's Armstrong. All
Speaker 1: these guys, Taco have done a nice job. With d
Speaker 1: Law Crawford out so and Byron Jones, I think Cheeto
Speaker 1: has done a nice job, and Anthony Brown and Lewis
Speaker 1: and those so those guys have stepped up. Sean Lee's
Speaker 1: been out for a while, and Joe Thomas has done
Speaker 1: a good job. So you're seeing depth on this team, okay,
Speaker 1: statement reports There are reports that Byron Jones will be
Speaker 1: possibly elevated off the pup as early as today with
Speaker 1: limited practices before the first game and good cornerback play
Speaker 1: from other cornerbacks on the team. I planned to play
Speaker 1: him blank during the first game, Dave um hard to
Speaker 1: answer that, because we haven't mean practicesn't until five or thirty,
Speaker 1: so I haven't seen him do anything. I doubt, you know,
Speaker 1: even if he's out there, if he's off pup, like,
Speaker 1: he's not just going to mix into team right away.
Speaker 1: So I'll say sparingly if at all, because again that's
Speaker 1: that's two practices this week and three next week, like
Speaker 1: you're practicing for the Giants starting next week. So that
Speaker 1: is a short curve for a guy who hasn't done
Speaker 1: anything all offseason, at least not football, And then the
Speaker 1: guys that have played in his place have been great,
Speaker 1: and the Giants also have a terrible receiving course, so
Speaker 1: everything just lined up. But you don't have to go
Speaker 1: crazy trying to get him onto the field for that game.
Speaker 1: So if I play him at all, it is in
Speaker 1: a very small package of place. Nick, what I wonder
Speaker 1: about that? And I agree with everything he said. What
Speaker 1: I wonder and we don't know this. What depending on
Speaker 1: how the roster shakes out is can they afford to
Speaker 1: do that? Can they afford to play him just a
Speaker 1: small amount of plays? What does it mean for your
Speaker 1: special teams? What do the other positions look like? Did
Speaker 1: they keep five corners to CJ. Goodwin, maybe have to
Speaker 1: play a lumba? Does he make the team Mike Jackson?
Speaker 1: So a lot of question marks there. I think though,
Speaker 1: if they don't have a lot of depth at corner
Speaker 1: that he might have to play a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But you're not going to rush him back out, So
Speaker 1: you might see a cornerback make this team for Week
Speaker 1: one or two that might not be here once he's
Speaker 1: fully healthy. Amber I'm trying to think how that really
Speaker 1: affects the guys that they decide to keep. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: they would keep six corners, right maybe probably especially that
Speaker 1: we all are hoping for. I would think if they don't, though,
Speaker 1: But with his progress, I mean, I just don't see
Speaker 1: that necessarily affecting the corners that they decide to keep,
Speaker 1: Especially with him coming back, I just think that it
Speaker 1: gives them the relief of kind of easing him in,
Speaker 1: not just for the Giants, I mean, even the first
Speaker 1: three games, you still have some wiggle room where you
Speaker 1: don't have to force him to come back, and you
Speaker 1: feel confident enough with the guys that you have. So
Speaker 1: I think there, he's at a really good spot right now.
Speaker 1: I think CJ. Goodwin's interception was probably went a long
Speaker 1: way because that shows that now you know, he could
Speaker 1: play some corner. If you have to put him in
Speaker 1: the game, he could play some corner. So maybe they
Speaker 1: don't have to take Alumba or Mike Jackson on the team.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know where those guys fit right
Speaker 1: now on the team. Maybe they do not both of them.
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson's drafted Alumba did really well. In practice, but
Speaker 1: I think they'd be afraid to put both of them
Speaker 1: on the field in a real game. All right, let's age.
Speaker 1: Let's expand out and hit an NFL topic here. During
Speaker 1: the game versus the Houston Texans, we heard that Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck was retiring two weeks before the season begins. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, you're speaking for yourself. In my opinion, his
Speaker 1: decision is blank, nick um surprising. But you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know everything that was going on with him and
Speaker 1: all the injuries, but I'll say this. You know I
Speaker 1: can relate because you know he had that calf injury,
Speaker 1: and that calf injury is tough. So you know he
Speaker 1: retired from the NFL football. Okay, you know calf injuries
Speaker 1: are really terrible. But there's a lot of injuries that
Speaker 1: that he's gone through, and I guess just mentally it
Speaker 1: warmed down. I don't know, it's surprising that that he
Speaker 1: he's done, But do I think he's thrown his last pass? No,
Speaker 1: Now they come back, they'll kind of go with I'll
Speaker 1: come back. Just for reference, Nick was playing fantasy football
Speaker 1: to the same season back. Oh, that would have been
Speaker 1: really bad. Yeah, he heard his calf and I still
Speaker 1: don't think it's ill that it still looks a little gnarly,
Speaker 1: but hey, you know, it is what it is. It's
Speaker 1: it's uh that is an underrated injury, and that's one.
Speaker 1: And he's a guy that's getting treatment and probably doing
Speaker 1: the right offessional treatment And I probably got no treatment.
Speaker 1: You got no money, no one anything completely worth boy,
Speaker 1: you should see the bills that I've got low it's
Speaker 1: oh man, it's at least a grand just and we
Speaker 1: have great insurance here too. Um, his decision is his decision.
Speaker 1: I think that at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: got to look out for what's good for yourself mentally, physically.
Speaker 1: You none of us really know what is going on
Speaker 1: in his personal life, so I think and I saw
Speaker 1: you defend his case and you know, go on a
Speaker 1: Twitter war with it was just kind of a explanation, no,
Speaker 1: And it was good because fans, uh, they tend to
Speaker 1: think that it's just about the game, and it's not.
Speaker 1: We're all humans. He's human and whatever his decision is
Speaker 1: to do that, whether or not this was the right
Speaker 1: timing to do so, we don't know what he's going through,
Speaker 1: so you have to respect it and let him do
Speaker 1: what he needs to do. Figure it out. I mean,
Speaker 1: the timing sucks for them, really really bad, but it
Speaker 1: is what it is. That's the big thing for me too,
Speaker 1: is like a lot of people who think they, you know,
Speaker 1: they have this great argument about why luck as a
Speaker 1: scumbag is like, well, the timing couldn't be worse. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not like this guy decided to retire in May
Speaker 1: and waited until now, Like he's been rehabbing this injury.
Speaker 1: I don't follow the Colts as closely as I do
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, but the way I understand it is it
Speaker 1: went from a calf injury to an ankle injury, like
Speaker 1: it got worse and spread to a different part of
Speaker 1: his body. Yeah, Nick understands say, and after everything he's
Speaker 1: been through with, like the broken ribs and the shoulder
Speaker 1: that knocked him out for a year, and he's taken
Speaker 1: a beating, I don't think he was sitting there and
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm gonna retire on August twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna he would probably after
Speaker 1: his fifteenth week of rehab in his fourth year in
Speaker 1: a row of needing to rehab something He's just like,
Speaker 1: I am exhausted and miserable and I just can't do
Speaker 1: this anymore. And I'll say this, if this is a
Speaker 1: factor in some of the fans, you know, angst about it,
Speaker 1: and and I've said it every year. If you're dumb
Speaker 1: enough to do a stupid fantasy football league that early,
Speaker 1: that's on you. That's on you. Always wait till after that.
Speaker 1: There's no reason to do it. Yeah, you get itchy
Speaker 1: and you get excited by wanted to do it. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: somebody's out there drafted both him and Millar Miller, Lamar
Speaker 1: Miller probably on their on their team, and that's just dumb.
Speaker 1: You got away. There's no point to do it in
Speaker 1: preseason game. And I know people are busy. It's hard
Speaker 1: to get twelve people on the same night. Sorry, you
Speaker 1: just have to have to or you're gonna risk this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff as part of it. The other thing
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Oh, and you know, as far
Speaker 1: as getting screwed over because your quarterback retires, goes like
Speaker 1: the Colts have are probably one of five teams that
Speaker 1: has an experienced competence starting backup quarterback like Jacoby Brissette
Speaker 1: is not Andrew Luck, but he's a pretty good player,
Speaker 1: so all things considered, I just don't buy that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's his decision, let and ultimately it's
Speaker 1: up to the team to figure that part out. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the nature of any business. You haven't employees, and
Speaker 1: employees have responsibility to themselves and when they make a decision,
Speaker 1: it's up to the organization to be prepared to be
Speaker 1: able to handle that and to adjust to it. And
Speaker 1: that's that's not just NFL players, that's every business in America.
Speaker 1: Because all you guys out there listening that have jobs,
Speaker 1: if you decided tomorrow you found a better opportunity for
Speaker 1: you and your family, you're gonna walk away and that
Speaker 1: company is going to be left having to figure out
Speaker 1: how to hold how to figure that out. Not to
Speaker 1: put our laundry on the air, but we lost a
Speaker 1: pretty important teammate the day before training The last three years,
Speaker 1: we've lost a very import point member of our team
Speaker 1: just before training camp. And it's a part of it,
Speaker 1: Like you can't tell that person no, you need to
Speaker 1: stick around for the good of the team. They're worried
Speaker 1: about themselves, and that's okay. Gotta do what's certainly okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take our first break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, let's talk a little bit about this game.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some standout players, and then we'll
Speaker 1: talk about some of the bubble guys and how this
Speaker 1: game may have affected their chances of being able to
Speaker 1: make this team. Will do that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: So let's jump back in talk about the game. Cowboys
Speaker 1: win thirty four nothing over the Houston Texans. Let's start
Speaker 1: first before we get to some of those bubble guys
Speaker 1: that I want to go back and recap. I do
Speaker 1: want to get some opinions from you guys on four
Speaker 1: players that are top line starter guys and how they
Speaker 1: performed in this game. Let's start first with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He was two of five twenty two yards, had a
Speaker 1: nice touchdown pass. What do you think of Dak this week?
Speaker 1: And really tell me what you think of Dak? Kind
Speaker 1: Of as a whole package of the three preseason games,
Speaker 1: dedn't didn't get a lot of action in either of
Speaker 1: them individually, but when you put them all together, what
Speaker 1: do you think of his preseason? Well, then they moved
Speaker 1: the ball and I think every every time, and they
Speaker 1: did have a three and out, I guess in that
Speaker 1: first drive against Houston. But for the most part I
Speaker 1: thought he did it was efficient, and you know, you
Speaker 1: got to remember that there's no Zeke, there's no Tyrn
Speaker 1: Smith for some of those games, Sack Martin and all
Speaker 1: of them, and you know in Amari Cooper, I don't
Speaker 1: think played any of them as well. So he did
Speaker 1: a nice job just kind of moving the ball and
Speaker 1: doing with you know, the best with what he had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought he looked fantastic, honestly, and you know that's coming. Sorry. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it looked like both of y'all were kind of often
Speaker 1: space like thinking about this. Maybe you went down a
Speaker 1: trail and I was. I was one hundred percent here.
Speaker 1: I was just waiting to see if she was going
Speaker 1: to talk first. Um, thank you. I thought I thought
Speaker 1: he looked fantastic, you know, and he had he had
Speaker 1: some consistencies in California. I said that he's up and
Speaker 1: down practice player, but he really he translates it to
Speaker 1: the game so well, because yeah, I mean they went
Speaker 1: three and out to start the Houston game. It looked
Speaker 1: like him and Gallup miscommunicated on the first throw of
Speaker 1: the night. You know, he threw what looked like maybe
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a comeback and Gallup rand a post.
Speaker 1: But h one hundred and eighty eight yards of offense
Speaker 1: on four possessions when Dak was in there eleven and fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he had four possessions two hundred yards. Basically,
Speaker 1: they moved the ball three out of the four times touchdown,
Speaker 1: field goal, two touchdowns in a field goal. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: They ran for five yards a carry while he was
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He spread the ball around. He got it
Speaker 1: to Pollard, he got it to Witt, and he got
Speaker 1: it to Gallop. He got it to everybody in between. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what else you could want from him.
Speaker 1: Based on I think thirty plays, that's that was the
Speaker 1: snap count for the preseason, and they looked pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Amber. Tell me about Michael Gallop. He had
Speaker 1: a touchdown catch in this game. It's been really good
Speaker 1: in training camp too. I would say he's probably been
Speaker 1: among the top five players throughout training camp. What do
Speaker 1: you think of him? Not only in this game, but
Speaker 1: I guess throughout the preseason. I think he makes his
Speaker 1: game look effortless, and that's something that you want in
Speaker 1: a receiver. You don't see him struggling. He's able to
Speaker 1: open up that catch that he had right there. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that was gonna be a catch and he
Speaker 1: just it wasn't that you need to throw him the
Speaker 1: ball right in his hint. He's a kind of receiver
Speaker 1: that's able to grab the ball and get it. And
Speaker 1: as far as Dak, I mean, I love the connection
Speaker 1: that he's been having with all his players. He looks
Speaker 1: like he has he has regained that confidence on the field.
Speaker 1: Whatever John Kidna has been doing with him, it's working
Speaker 1: and he looks good. What's unfortunate is the first mistake
Speaker 1: he did on the game. In the game, you start
Speaker 1: hearing people, Oh and he's asking for forty million, you know.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how much money he ends up getting
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. But right now I
Speaker 1: think that that I feel pretty good with the passing
Speaker 1: game and the development that he's been having with the receivers.
Speaker 1: Lets me want to talk about Malie Collins, he had
Speaker 1: the big hit that ended Lamar Lamar season. What do
Speaker 1: you think of him right now just as a as
Speaker 1: a player and going into this year from everything you've
Speaker 1: seen again a top five guy during training camp. But
Speaker 1: we've never wondered about his talent. He's always had talent.
Speaker 1: He's always flashed. Do you think there's something different about
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, he's borderline unblockable right now, and that's
Speaker 1: that's what's different. He's been a really good player, but
Speaker 1: right but he's just been so disruptive. I mean that
Speaker 1: that was kind of nasty, the way he just kind
Speaker 1: of got through and just you know, I only think
Speaker 1: Lamar Miller even knew, didn't expect that there to be
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle there to knock him off his feet
Speaker 1: like that. So he's been that way all camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's probably been the best player, most consistent of training camp,
Speaker 1: all year, all camp, and right now he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he was disruptive in Hawaii. They couldn't block him the
Speaker 1: other night. You know, I just hope he can stay healthy.
Speaker 1: That's that's been the thing with him his whole career.
Speaker 1: You know, even he had a great rookie year. He
Speaker 1: was still dealing with a foot that he broke in June.
Speaker 1: He's had issues with his feet and his legs, his
Speaker 1: knees like all all through his career, and obviously it's
Speaker 1: hindered him. If he can stay healthy. It's all. It's
Speaker 1: right there on tape for you to go look at.
Speaker 1: Like he was unbelievable the other night. He was living
Speaker 1: in their backfield for however many snaps he got, it
Speaker 1: probably wasn't more than ten. He was as good as
Speaker 1: jj Watt was on the other side, really, and jj
Speaker 1: Watt was living back there too. Almost it's a contract
Speaker 1: year for him, Like you can't understand how big it is,
Speaker 1: Like he could be playing for a huge payday either
Speaker 1: here or somewhere else if he can stay healthy, and
Speaker 1: lord knows what it could mean for this defense. If
Speaker 1: he is a six to twelve sack type of three technique,
Speaker 1: like we haven't really seen that here since Jason Hatcher
Speaker 1: had his blow up year, which coincidentally enough was in
Speaker 1: a contract year. So I do think that stuff matters,
Speaker 1: and like a man, if he can translate it to
Speaker 1: three healthy months, there's no telling what it could mean
Speaker 1: for him and for this defense. Tony Pollard. You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy about sorry about him is that despite the
Speaker 1: success he's been having so far, he's not allowing that
Speaker 1: to get into his head. And it's weird because I
Speaker 1: know he doesn't necessarily want to be talking to the media.
Speaker 1: He thinks that he's going to be criticized. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: criticize like you've been having a great training camp. You know,
Speaker 1: you've been doing so well. But I think that that's
Speaker 1: a good thing coming from him, that he keeps you
Speaker 1: grounded and keeps him kind of focused on what he
Speaker 1: needs to do instead of allowing this success to get
Speaker 1: into his head and maybe messing up his game a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think he's the most low key player
Speaker 1: on this team. Like even like we talk all the
Speaker 1: time about how Tyrant Smith's not a big talker, MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins is more low key than that. I'm not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure I know what its voice sounds like.
Speaker 1: And I've covered his entire And then the minute that
Speaker 1: Dak and his agent and the Cowboys shake hands and
Speaker 1: take the picture and with the jersey and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: whenever that deal's done, they're gonna be back on the phone.
Speaker 1: Before too long because he's he also represents Malik, so
Speaker 1: you know they'll be trying to maybe get a deal
Speaker 1: done with him. But the way Malik is is playing
Speaker 1: right now, he seems like he could be He would
Speaker 1: be a top ten free agent guy next year. I
Speaker 1: think if if, if he didn't get draft, if he
Speaker 1: did get signed, and yet he has the potential to
Speaker 1: be one of those like kind of out of nowhere
Speaker 1: major free agents, a lot like Jason Hatcher. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's younger than Hatcher was because Hatcher signed a deal
Speaker 1: here too, But yeah, I mean he could. He could
Speaker 1: get really good money if he can put together like
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber season. Talk to me about Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: He had a six six rushing yard I mean sorry,
Speaker 1: six receptions for twenty six rushing yards four point three average.
Speaker 1: What do you think of him? Somebody, somebody stopped me
Speaker 1: from acting a fool here. Somebody go first, because I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the guy that buys the preseason hype. But man,
Speaker 1: he's fun. He looks so damn impressive and he looks
Speaker 1: like he gets it and you know, back him during
Speaker 1: the drifts like well, they can't ask this guy to
Speaker 1: run through the tackles, and then he's rockets up the
Speaker 1: depth chart of training camp. And it's like I said
Speaker 1: that last night, somebody asked me on Twitter's like the reason,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, at least the reason Darius Jackson and
Speaker 1: Mike Weber kind of fell by the wayside, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: is a week into training camp, they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's bring Pollard along and we'll see where this goes.
Speaker 1: And maybe he can do this and maybe he can
Speaker 1: do that, but we've got these other guys we want
Speaker 1: to see too, And like by the time the Blue
Speaker 1: White scrimmage rolled around, it was like, never mind, we're good,
Speaker 1: Like we're fine, especially if Zeke comes back. Like we
Speaker 1: don't need just i mean, no offense to those guys,
Speaker 1: but a guy just for the sake of having a guy,
Speaker 1: because Tony Pollard can do all of that, and every
Speaker 1: time he gets an opportunity, he's shown that ability. I
Speaker 1: will say, when the starting Houston defense was in it
Speaker 1: looked a little bit tougher for him. I mean he
Speaker 1: was averaging like one yard per carry on the you know,
Speaker 1: while JJ Watt was in there. But he's got patience,
Speaker 1: he's got explosiveness. That twenty yard run he had where
Speaker 1: he basically sort of tap danced in the hole until
Speaker 1: something came open, I mean that was beautiful. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: the screen pass that was called back for the Jason
Speaker 1: Witten's blocking the back, I mean, I thought he did
Speaker 1: a nice job there of you talked to about the
Speaker 1: patience of kind of waiting for the blockers to come
Speaker 1: and then you know, to get past them and then
Speaker 1: you know, using the angles. And I really think if
Speaker 1: there wasn't a penalty, I think they would have had
Speaker 1: to replay that and see did he actually get into
Speaker 1: the you know and touch the pilon looked like he did.
Speaker 1: You know, it might have been a touchdown play. But
Speaker 1: I do think Jason Witten his blocks were the legal
Speaker 1: and there was like knocked out two guys there, so
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would have scored without it.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not ready to, Like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be the guy that's like they don't need Zeke because
Speaker 1: I know how good Zeke is. But like watching this dude,
Speaker 1: I'm like mixing a little Alfred Morris with what this
Speaker 1: guy's doing, and like I'm intrigued, like mixing Zeke with
Speaker 1: what Yeah, I know, Yeah, I'm not trying to fire
Speaker 1: the guy. I'm just saying like I'm I'm intrigued, Like
Speaker 1: he looks so much better than I would have even thought.
Speaker 1: And that was I mean, Steven Jones compared him to
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara the day they drafted him. But saying it
Speaker 1: and doing it is different, and he looks impressive. Jimsy
Speaker 1: a different a different feel like he doesn't have that
Speaker 1: bulkiness that Zeke has and he's not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to push against those defenders and get those extra yards.
Speaker 1: But I feel he looks light, like he moves around
Speaker 1: with something like a little feather like. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm not doing a very good job describing this,
Speaker 1: but you know, he's able to move around and make
Speaker 1: those cuts like Nick said, and it's just you get
Speaker 1: a little taste of what Zeke can do for you
Speaker 1: in a way. You know they're using him in the
Speaker 1: passing game, they're using in the running game, so but
Speaker 1: it's just at a different level. And to see him
Speaker 1: this early in the stage that he's at, it's it's
Speaker 1: so encouraging that he's able to do all these things
Speaker 1: this early on. Yeah, that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: I've been talking about that can be the risk for
Speaker 1: Zeke here if he decides he wants to try missing
Speaker 1: a game. The risk here is that Tony Pollard actually
Speaker 1: looks pretty good and can give them something. And again,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be Zeke, nor does he necessarily have to.
Speaker 1: I made this point to somebody online a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: and I think it's actually something a topic we're going
Speaker 1: to bring up maybe later this week. You know, what
Speaker 1: do you think is going to be the best thing
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys do this season? I am starting more
Speaker 1: and more to believe it's going to be defense. And
Speaker 1: if it is defense, then you may not need Zeke
Speaker 1: to carry the same load that he once had to
Speaker 1: carry for this team. Having a guy like Pollard that
Speaker 1: can hit some home runs for you, even if he's
Speaker 1: not as consistently the guy that just basically bulls through
Speaker 1: people some of the runs that you see from Zeke,
Speaker 1: you may still get what you need out of this
Speaker 1: running game just to be good enough, and good enough
Speaker 1: I mean good enough to still be a legitimate playoff team.
Speaker 1: And then you see where it goes in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So my only point is I'm not ready to buy
Speaker 1: the hype, like you said in the preseason. What I
Speaker 1: do think though, is it does create a little bit
Speaker 1: more intrigue with this whole Zeke thing and how long
Speaker 1: he's willing to hold out to next point. And y'all
Speaker 1: know me, like I'm a contrarian for I'm the worst.
Speaker 1: I know that about myself. Like as much as part
Speaker 1: of me wants to see that, like I kind of
Speaker 1: want to see what it would look like. Just how
Speaker 1: good can Tony Pollard and Alfred Morispy, Like how much
Speaker 1: do they really need Zeke at the same time everything
Speaker 1: you just said, how much better would it be if
Speaker 1: it was Zeke and Pollard, No doubt. Let's just not
Speaker 1: mess around with it. Bring get the band back together.
Speaker 1: And we've seen Zeke you know, in fourth down and
Speaker 1: you know, in the fourth quarters and overtime and that
Speaker 1: play against Green Bay where he had to you know,
Speaker 1: get the ball out there too, you know for a
Speaker 1: first down. Those are the things that after you know,
Speaker 1: getting pounded on for four quarters, he still is able
Speaker 1: to do that. And you don't know, really a Pollard
Speaker 1: can do that and get you know, take these big hits,
Speaker 1: keep going. He's got an ankle problem, but he's still
Speaker 1: fighting through it the whole game, carrying guys on his back.
Speaker 1: Let's see how that. Um, you know, if that's what
Speaker 1: in every down back is supposed to do and he
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to prove as it. If he can
Speaker 1: do that or he can't, yeah, I will throw out this.
Speaker 1: Though a lot of people try to give the comparison
Speaker 1: to Alvin Kamara, you can look over there in Carolina
Speaker 1: and see a guy like this who's carrying the loaf
Speaker 1: for his team and Christian McCaffrey. He's a smaller guy,
Speaker 1: but he can catch out of the backfield, he can
Speaker 1: make him do a lot of dynamic different things, and
Speaker 1: he is their primary back. So this is not unheard
Speaker 1: of in the NFL for a guy with this body
Speaker 1: type to be the every down type guy. Again, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna believe it until you see it, but I
Speaker 1: do think there's enough there right now that gets you
Speaker 1: intrigued right big time. All right, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back from this break,
Speaker 1: we'll get into some of the bubble guys, see how
Speaker 1: they performed in this last game and what that can
Speaker 1: mean for them heading into roster cuts later this week,
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Speaker 1: back to the Break Welcome Back, final segment of the
Speaker 1: Breaklack in the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, we're
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys big win over the Houston Texas
Speaker 1: thirty four to nothing. Hopefully that follows through into the
Speaker 1: regular season. Looking good. At this preseason though, let's talk
Speaker 1: about some of the bubble guys what not than just
Speaker 1: I know how Dallas b Houston. It's like the greatest
Speaker 1: thing in your life. No, it's not, don't I would
Speaker 1: hope necessarily, I would hope. Nobody in Derek's life is
Speaker 1: like giving him grief about a preseason. They do, though
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of talk. It's not bad though.
Speaker 1: I just texted my cousin. He's like, we're really close
Speaker 1: and he's a big Texans fan and uh and so
Speaker 1: I just kind of texted him in the third quarter
Speaker 1: like seriously, like, I know it's the preseason, but it
Speaker 1: is it kind of that's the kind of relationship we
Speaker 1: have because I guarantee if it was happening to us, Oh,
Speaker 1: of course he'd hit me up and been like, seriously,
Speaker 1: y'all could have stayed in Dallas, but this is well
Speaker 1: the worst thing for Houston because not only did they
Speaker 1: get trounced by the Cowboys, but they lost their starting
Speaker 1: running back. I mean, the only thing the good that
Speaker 1: it came out of that night is that they've got
Speaker 1: two games against the Colts that might be easier than
Speaker 1: they were going to be, right maybe. Yeah, And on
Speaker 1: the flip side, I mean that's what he said. He said, well,
Speaker 1: at the winner of this division just needs to go
Speaker 1: eight and eight basically like this is. It got pretty
Speaker 1: bad tonight. But I mean, rightfully, so if if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were losing thirty four to nothing, no matter what
Speaker 1: the game was, fans would be losing their minds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's preseason or not. I think fans
Speaker 1: just don't like the idea of getting trounced like that.
Speaker 1: Just pride should take over at some point, just like
Speaker 1: we're gonna win the fight. If we're not gonna win, right,
Speaker 1: you could take a step back. No, Like, nobody should
Speaker 1: ever lose their minds about anything that happens in a
Speaker 1: prese game except for injuries. R which is my whole point. Well,
Speaker 1: they had a little bit of that too. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: if I was a Houston fan, I would be I would, well,
Speaker 1: I'd be pissed because my starting running back was heard,
Speaker 1: not because they lost thirty four to nothing, right, just
Speaker 1: insult to injury. Right, Yeah, all right, let's go through
Speaker 1: some of these guys that were on the bubble and uh,
Speaker 1: as we laid it out Friday, I basically gave you
Speaker 1: an either or um and let you guys then tell
Speaker 1: me who you think had the inside track. And what
Speaker 1: I want to know now is based on what you
Speaker 1: saw this Saturday, who do you think as the inside track?
Speaker 1: All right, let's start with the safety position. Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: versus Cavon Frazier. Don's on the team, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean Cavon won't be we go five,
Speaker 1: you think they'll go five? Noyon's gonna have to be
Speaker 1: Darian Thompson. So you don't think Darian Thompson. No, that's
Speaker 1: where they had he that's the battle now, the interception.
Speaker 1: But Donovan Wilson, plus the fact that he's been playing
Speaker 1: great and he's around the ball, he's on the team.
Speaker 1: For Cavan to make the team is is he's going
Speaker 1: to have to be better than Dari and Thompson. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's you told me last week, Daron, Well,
Speaker 1: I just changed very quickly. I disagree with you. The
Speaker 1: point of what I meant was, I don't know. If
Speaker 1: I don't know, I if I guess, I don't think
Speaker 1: Cavon's gonna make this team. If he makes the team,
Speaker 1: it's because for some reason, somebody makes an executive decision
Speaker 1: that they're going to keep five safeties because I think
Speaker 1: the other four are basically set in stone and kind
Speaker 1: of pity, and so maybe Cavon can play his way
Speaker 1: on because he's so valuable on special teams, or he's
Speaker 1: a valuable character guy. I don't know, but he's him
Speaker 1: and whoever else you want to throw in there, I
Speaker 1: local whatever, Like they're going to have to convince somebody
Speaker 1: that they have to have five safeties, which they haven't
Speaker 1: been doing recently. You have better corners, so I mean,
Speaker 1: that wouldn't make sense, and you're you're stuck in a
Speaker 1: situation where you probably want to keep six corners, which
Speaker 1: is don't see five safeties on this team. But I know,
Speaker 1: like Woods, Heath, Thompson and Wilson, like I'm very comfortable,
Speaker 1: like write that down, all right, So let's talk about
Speaker 1: those corners Donovan Olumba versus Mike Jackson Amber. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm struggling with here. It's easy to evaluate someone
Speaker 1: based on recent memory of the past week or so.
Speaker 1: But what, okay question for you guys, when you guys
Speaker 1: evaluate these guys, do you base it up on what's
Speaker 1: happened recently or just overall since we start a training
Speaker 1: camp both? Right? Yeah, because I think Devin Smith is
Speaker 1: a good example of more recent is probably a part
Speaker 1: of the equation than just the whole body of work.
Speaker 1: But I think all of it gets factory, at least
Speaker 1: for me because look at it because more recently it's
Speaker 1: also been more games. I mean, because you could say
Speaker 1: John v. Johnson has been pretty good on the course
Speaker 1: of the whole summer, but the last couple of games,
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, he's dropped off. So I would
Speaker 1: say recently is gets weighed in here full body of
Speaker 1: work with a bias toward what happened recently. That's the
Speaker 1: way I think of it. Yeah, Yeah, that's what that
Speaker 1: being said. What do you think about the cornerbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What are you trying to get to the fact that
Speaker 1: you're leaning more toward Alumba because of that, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But again that's that's just kind of the struggle I'm
Speaker 1: having to, like, Okay, do I base it on upon
Speaker 1: like recent excitement or just be fair and lay it
Speaker 1: all out and see the progression of everything how it's
Speaker 1: been evolving. But I mean, right now where I stand at,
Speaker 1: I think Colomba for me, I would argue Alumba has
Speaker 1: been better on both counts, Like he's clearly been better
Speaker 1: down the stretch, but I like overall and Mike Jackson
Speaker 1: had some nice practices in California, but like you take
Speaker 1: the whole five weeks that we've been doing this, I
Speaker 1: think Alumba has been better overall too. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think Alumba's actually going against Mike Jackson anymore.
Speaker 1: I really think he's going up against another position. The
Speaker 1: end of that piece, one of those it's at the
Speaker 1: end of the roster and you're trying to decide between
Speaker 1: six corners or do you keep you know, six receivers
Speaker 1: maybe And when you get to that part, yeah, I will.
Speaker 1: I'm working on something about the practice squad, just like
Speaker 1: real quick before you get to that. Just to clarify,
Speaker 1: Nick are you saying you think Mike Jackson's already on
Speaker 1: this team and Alma he's off the team, and you
Speaker 1: think Alma's the guy that's kind of their teetering. I
Speaker 1: think between him in another position, do they keep six
Speaker 1: corners or do they keep you know, five, because the
Speaker 1: fifth corner of C. J. Goodwin, who is a great
Speaker 1: special teams player, and he had a nice play on
Speaker 1: defense at night, and if he doesn't get that interception,
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson gets it, so maybe maybe, but he was
Speaker 1: right there. Anything like with Mike, you know, for me recently,
Speaker 1: when I watch him and he'll he'll make a good
Speaker 1: play or something or do something good, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's I forgot about him. He's still here. So that's
Speaker 1: where things started getting tricky, Like you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to keep on everyone's eyes and not just make flashing
Speaker 1: plays here and there. Okay, Dave, sorry, you're I just
Speaker 1: I'm writing a story. I went back and looked at
Speaker 1: every week one practice squad of Jason Garrett's career. I'm
Speaker 1: going to write about it for later in the week, Okay,
Speaker 1: But Mike Jackson fits the type of guy that winds
Speaker 1: up on their practice squad all the time, Like they're
Speaker 1: pretty reliably have a draft pick on their practice squad,
Speaker 1: Like you can go all the way back to a
Speaker 1: QUASUSU U wantsa if you want to, we can talk
Speaker 1: about Borrow Boscarborough last year. They do it all the time.
Speaker 1: And Day three pick who has the traits they like,
Speaker 1: who didn't have as good of a camp as they
Speaker 1: would prefer. Makes a lot of sense. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on. Let's go to this one got really interesting.
Speaker 1: It was already very interesting, but tackle Charlton versus Joe
Speaker 1: Jackson versus Jalen Jelks. All of them had moments in
Speaker 1: that game where they made plays. All of them have
Speaker 1: been guys that we've discussed on this show as being,
Speaker 1: you know, standout guys at times. What do you think
Speaker 1: about that position and where the Cowboys are versus where
Speaker 1: they're where they're going. We already know Tank, Quinn, Crawford, Armstrong.
Speaker 1: We all feel pretty good going to be on this.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, Quinn doesn't count towards the fifty three.
Speaker 1: Got it especially then? I mean it matters because it
Speaker 1: changes it changes the name of who makes the team.
Speaker 1: So I mean Taco played his way onto the team.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm considering concerned, Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 1: Uh he's shown like he's been trending in the right
Speaker 1: direction all camp and then you know those were those
Speaker 1: were starters out there. I know Houston's a line is
Speaker 1: kind of a mess, but he wasn't doing that against
Speaker 1: Scrubs at eight sax well and sorry sack and then
Speaker 1: going to get the football, you know, I mean even
Speaker 1: said it, he goes I caused it. I should have
Speaker 1: gone and go get it. I mean that's what he
Speaker 1: look at it. Yeah, and I mean everybody touched it once,
Speaker 1: but I mean he went in there and and made it.
Speaker 1: I think that was a great hustle play. And then
Speaker 1: for him to come back from the injury and still
Speaker 1: come back into the game make another play on a
Speaker 1: receiver down the field or running back down the field,
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great one. I also really
Speaker 1: loved his I loved his attitude after the game. He's
Speaker 1: like this, this doesn't mean I haven't done anything. And
Speaker 1: if they want me to play the fourth game, I will,
Speaker 1: like I know what it is. I know what's going on. Basically, like,
Speaker 1: good for you for not shying away from it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he will play, especially since he hurt
Speaker 1: his ankle, but I appreciate him at least saying that.
Speaker 1: I just you take a hit if you cut him
Speaker 1: because of the money, Like they're still guarantees on his deal,
Speaker 1: and you definitely don't want the embarrassment of having him
Speaker 1: go be good for somebody else. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: he's been pretty good. So I just think all that
Speaker 1: combines to put him on the team. You mentioned what
Speaker 1: he said after the game. Over the last two or
Speaker 1: three weeks, I've actually grown kind of like him. Before
Speaker 1: I was kind of ambivalent, Like it wasn't like I
Speaker 1: disliked him, but I just was kind of like, he's
Speaker 1: just taco. But what he said in the locker room
Speaker 1: after I was at the San Francisco game, I think
Speaker 1: he was, and then what he said after this game,
Speaker 1: it just he just has a spirit about him. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, that's just kind of like, look, man, I
Speaker 1: know everybody ain't on my side. I know everybody isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily any on the preface that by saying there are
Speaker 1: a lot of times you hear guys that talk like that,
Speaker 1: when they're saying things like everybody's against me, and you
Speaker 1: can hear the bitterness in them. Yeah, I don't hear
Speaker 1: that at all from him. It's just more like, I know, man,
Speaker 1: and I'm a first round pick that comes with the territory,
Speaker 1: and it's just my job to change that. It's my
Speaker 1: job to go out there and do my very best.
Speaker 1: And to me, I just kind of like that attitude it.
Speaker 1: I like that spirit about it. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people over on the football side of the building
Speaker 1: would tell you that some of the biggest stuff in
Speaker 1: his way is maturity and mindset, and it seems like
Speaker 1: he might be turning that corner, which is encouraging, you
Speaker 1: know what I like and based on the things how
Speaker 1: we hear him talk and express himself as to like,
Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is type of deal.
Speaker 1: Regardless of that, he showed that he does care because
Speaker 1: I was on the sideline there. He got her on
Speaker 1: that first When he got her on that plate, he
Speaker 1: came out, the doctors are looking at his foot. You know,
Speaker 1: he shows that he's in pain a little bit. He's
Speaker 1: telling him like, no, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: He was the one who made the decision to go
Speaker 1: back out there. He went back out there, he did
Speaker 1: what he did. Then he gets hurt again, and now
Speaker 1: it's to the point where he's not able to put pressure,
Speaker 1: like put pressure on the foot, and he was limping
Speaker 1: around now. But I like seeing his drive and willingness
Speaker 1: to be on the field and being mindful that he
Speaker 1: is and you know you might not be here and
Speaker 1: he's aware of that. And he showed competitiveness. How do
Speaker 1: you say that competitivenessness? Yeah? There, you like it? All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and finish it up for today.
Speaker 1: We have a few more of these we're gonna hit.
Speaker 1: We'll come back tomorrow and we'll hit some more of these.
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