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Speaker 1: Hike and everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. The tomorrow Tomorrow addition, as we

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Speaker 1: get to set for the start of training camp, which

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Speaker 1: gets underway on Saturday at two thirty at Dayton's Welcome Stadium.

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Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll hear from Joe Mixon, who talked to

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Speaker 1: reporters on Friday about the Bengals new offense under Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 1: And let me put it this way, after listening to Mixon,

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Speaker 1: you'll want to draft him for your fantasy team. I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to my broadcast partner Dave Lapham about the big

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Speaker 1: questions going into training camp, and lap will also reminisce

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Speaker 1: about what training camp was like under the legendary Paul Brown.

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Speaker 1: And in this week's fun Facts conversation, you'll get to

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Speaker 1: know new offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. He'll tell us what

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Speaker 1: it was like as a player to be part of

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Speaker 1: the longest winning streak in high school football history, and

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Speaker 1: ring he won as an assistant coach with the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Those conversations are straight ahead, but first, here's a quick

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Speaker 1: The episode recaps will save the day. Now time for

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Speaker 1: football by any reason. In a bowl measure, Joe Mixon

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Speaker 1: had a sensational second year in the NFL. He led

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Speaker 1: the AFC in rushing despite missing two games, added forty

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Speaker 1: three receptions and scored nine touchdowns. But as he visited

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Speaker 1: made it clear that he expects to have Todd Gurley

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Speaker 1: like numbers now that the Bengals are basically running the

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Speaker 1: Rams offense. What's that mean? Well, over the last two years,

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Speaker 1: between rushing and receiving, Gurley averaged one thousand, nine hundred

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Speaker 1: A with Mixon, who turned twenty three this week. Do

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Speaker 1: you think the so called experts, if you have a

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, I mean, you've kind of looked

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Speaker 1: the town on his team overall. I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: they always do. They did from even when I was

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Speaker 1: in college or high school. They always did that to

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Speaker 1: the baas. I mean, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm not worried about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about no ranking. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, real football players, real football fans, owners, whatever

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Speaker 1: the case may be, they know they know what I

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, No preseason ranking or how they rank whoever.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, it's all opinionated.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm gonna do. I was just keep different.

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Speaker 1: So ain't nothing gonna change. That's all. You clowning with

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Speaker 1: He didn't break is there another guy in this locker

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Speaker 1: you know, just to see what I might like and

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Speaker 1: not like. And so guys, I mean I work out

425
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Speaker 1: in my lunch period and I'd come in earlier in

426
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Speaker 1: the morning so I could take an hour and a

427
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Speaker 1: half lunch and go lift, go down to spinning field,

428
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: lift you might run, and all that sort of thing,

429
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: and then come back and work in the afternoon. So

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00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't Now it's a year round thing. I mean,

431
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: they're conditioning, as we know, you know, all year round,

432
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: and um they have you know, the OTAs and the

433
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: mandatory mini camps and all those sort of things. So

434
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 1: it's it's guys don't really get out of shape as

435
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 1: much as guys used to back in those years, and

436
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: a lot of times guys would literally play themselves in

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Speaker 1: the shape at training camp. It would be my second

438
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: year in the in the league in nineteen seventy five,

439
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: we had a Hall of Fame game against the Redskins.

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00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: So we had seven preseason games. We had training camp

441
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Speaker 1: for nine weeks. I mean, I my son was born

442
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: and you know, didn't see him for two and a

443
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Speaker 1: half months. You know, it was like, geez, this is crazy.

444
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: But that that was. That was the lifestyle of the

445
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Speaker 1: NFL in those in those years or so training camps.

446
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: I think they felt like they had to be a

447
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,080
Speaker 1: lot different. But when you look at it, guys would

448
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: come into training camp not in very good shape at all,

449
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: and they just beat them to death initially, and they'd

450
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: wonder why they had pulled muscles and all these and

451
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: guys weren't ready for the A lot of guys weren't.

452
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Speaker 1: I never tried to let myself, you know, get that.

453
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: I always felt like if I let myself get that

454
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Speaker 1: badly out of shape, I'm gonna lose your job. Man.

455
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a competitive world, not NFL. Man. You

456
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: gotta keep yourself physically and mentally ready. But some guys

457
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: would just you know, take it for granted and show

458
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Speaker 1: up and early in camp have some kind of muscle

459
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: pull that they shouldn't have really had. But so and

460
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Speaker 1: like I can remember too back then, it would be

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Speaker 1: nights one hundred percent humidity and one water break. Like

462
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: back then, you were soft. If you drank water and

463
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: they give you salt tablets, you know, it's like, oh,

464
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: this is but it was just it was like the

465
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Speaker 1: reverse of what should have been. And I can remember

466
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Speaker 1: just losing literally number one practice, losing sixteen pounds waiting

467
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Speaker 1: in the morning, waiting out after the second practice was

468
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: sixteen pounds of water weight now and lunch. You tried

469
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Speaker 1: to make it up in between, but you couldn't you

470
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Speaker 1: make it up that fast. And you talk about man

471
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Speaker 1: trying to just pound fluids and make sure you don't

472
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Speaker 1: cramp to death, you know. So, yeah, training camp was

473
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: so different back then. It was crazy. Seven preseason games

474
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Speaker 1: has to be the record. No team ever played more

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Speaker 1: than seven preseason games than it. No, I wouldn't think so,

476
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Speaker 1: you know, because the Hall of Fame game was on

477
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: a rotation, so you know, you get that extra one

478
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Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm thinking I was only this, you

479
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: know my rookie years. Is my second year in the league,

480
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking two years ago we only played eleven

481
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Speaker 1: games in a regular season in college. We're playing seven games,

482
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Speaker 1: don't even count. I mean, none of them even mena

483
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Speaker 1: hill of beans, you know, and then so we play

484
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Speaker 1: seven that don't count, and then we played fourteen to count. Crazy.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the latest Bengals news, beginning

486
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Speaker 1: with the return of Andre Smith. Do you figure, all right,

487
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: there's your third tackle or is there still a chance

488
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Speaker 1: in your mind that the Bengals will be looking to

489
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: make a deal or trying to find, you know, the

490
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: best available guy after cuts? Yeah, I mean, I think

491
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: I think that as an organization, they probably always continue

492
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: that on a daily basis. You're looking to improve your roster,

493
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, from one to fifty three. Once you get

494
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: that final fifty three men roster, you're trying to improve

495
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: it as much as you can. I think that they

496
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 1: feel much better about where they are. I mean, because literally,

497
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: you had two tackles. How are you gonna play preseason games?

498
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Speaker 1: Are you gonna You're gonna kick these guards out and

499
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Speaker 1: have them play tackle for over a half maybe three

500
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Speaker 1: quarters of a preseason game where some of them might

501
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: not even obviously make the team and others It's like

502
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: you're taking away reps that maybe they need to have

503
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: more at guard. Now you're kicking them out there at tackle.

504
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: They may not even play it during the season, so

505
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: you were just short bodies. So to get somebody in

506
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Speaker 1: there to just, uh, you know, take reps like that.

507
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Speaker 1: But there were other guys out there, you know, like

508
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: guys like Perkins and guys like that that are going

509
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Speaker 1: to get reps in the preseason games and try to

510
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: hook on either here or other NFL teams. But I

511
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Speaker 1: think I think to have who could what could be

512
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Speaker 1: your third tackle there from day one a training camp

513
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: taking reps with offensive lineman that will be making the

514
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: football team, I think it is a plus. So I

515
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Speaker 1: think that to get that signing done when they did,

516
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Speaker 1: I think before training camp even started, I think as

517
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Speaker 1: a as a positive because there was I mean, it

518
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: was you didn't have to be a football linstein to realize, Man,

519
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: we got a hole there, you know, at that tackle spot.

520
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: And as we've talked about before, you're gonna find in

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Speaker 1: your five best lineman. If you've got a guy that

522
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Speaker 1: can play tackle, he can usually kick inside to play guard.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, you're gonna find your five best offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: It's just who's going to be that third tackle in

525
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: that or that swing tackle that can play both right

526
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Speaker 1: and left. For what it's worth. In shorts and a

527
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: T shirt, at least, Andrea appeared to be in decent shape. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. I think he's uh.

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Speaker 1: I think he's been working in you know, this is

530
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: his you know, he's in double digit's career now in

531
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. So I think not that he

532
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: ever took anything for granted, But if he did, I

533
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: don't think he does anymore. And I think he's he's

534
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: got a career and a story that he can tell

535
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: some of the younger guys, you know, maybe things to avoid,

536
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: things to do, you know, accentuate this, stay away from that,

537
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: and you'll you'll have a successful NFL career. Plus the

538
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: fact of having you know, played in a hundred games,

539
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: over ninety of him here in his career with the Bengals,

540
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: that he's he's seen a lot. You've seen a lot

541
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: of players, he's seen a lot of defensive configurations, He's

542
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: seen a lot of things that he can help, you know,

543
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: young lineman with advanced their careers. News release came out

544
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: on Friday morning that Billy Price begins the season on

545
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Speaker 1: the non football injury list. That's also the case for

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Speaker 1: long snapper Clark Harris. Let's start with Billy Price. They're

547
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Speaker 1: not saying much about whatever the injury is, but they

548
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: are saying it it did not appear to be too serious. Yeah,

549
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a sounds like it's a precautionary thing,

550
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, as much as anything. I think they want

551
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: to make sure that he's that he's right, that he's

552
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right before he starts to you know,

553
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: to take on the grind of an NFL season. And honestly,

554
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Dan the first as we know, the first few days

555
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: and not even in pads. I mean they really they

556
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Speaker 1: break them in easily. So it's almost like an extension

557
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: of a mandatory mini camp at this stage. And I'm

558
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: not saying, oh, yeah, you know it's not important, you

559
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: can skip it. But if you have to miss something,

560
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: you know, I think that would be the stage where

561
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: it would be the most you know, you could overcome it.

562
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, I guess it's the easiest rather

563
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: than missing you know, halfway into training camp or towards

564
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Speaker 1: the end of training camp and then starting a regular

565
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: season coming off of an injury that you've had to

566
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: take some time off, so hopefully, you know, let it

567
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: heal and uh, like I'm saying, hopefully it's not that significant.

568
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: Hopefully let it heal up and then get right into

569
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Speaker 1: it and uh and get the pads on and start

570
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: working with that with that offensive line that you're going

571
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: to be a very important industrial part of making all

572
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: the calls and directing traffic and all the responsibilities of

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00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: the center house. And Clark Harris's case, with his track

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00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: record and his experience, I assume that if he's healthy

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00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: by September first, it doesn't even matter how much practice

576
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: time he gets in, He'll be fine as your long snapper. Yeah,

577
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: they signed Dan God, so there's a long snapper, and

578
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, why why do we have to

579
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: have two long snapper as a training camp? It's not

580
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: really that that necessary, that essential. I mean, every team

581
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: has a backup deep snapper long snapper, but you don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't usually necessarily have, particularly in Clark's case, where

583
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: he hasn't had a miss execution in his career. Here

584
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: knock on wood with the Bengals, so um, you know,

585
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: he had been in a recent Pro Bowl. But now

586
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: obviously it makes sense with him a little bit nicked

587
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: up and on the injury list at this point in time.

588
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the offensive line

589
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: because I was listening to another podcast a week or

590
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: two ago specifically on offensive line play, and the person

591
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: doing it talked about how the Rams offense will make

592
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals offensive line look better even if the individual

593
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: players aren't better. In other words, it's an offensive line

594
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: friendly scheme. Right. Yeah, That's that's been my thought and

595
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: about it as well. And I can speak from experience.

596
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: When your running game is going well, and the running

597
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: game has to go well or it doesn't, you know,

598
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: your your play action passing game isn't going to work.

599
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: You do have to have the threat of the run.

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00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: If you're getting your run stuffed the play action pass,

601
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you're going to find yourself in down in distance situations

602
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: where it's tough to play action pass and you're gonna

603
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: have to drop back and pass and protect the quarterback.

604
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: But if you're able to create positive plays with your

605
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: play action stuff, pulling lineman and you know, cross blocking

606
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: and doing some of the things that you do with this.

607
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: In this particular offense, a lot of movement, a lot

608
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: of formation, movement. Mult things happen. Defensive linemen, they have

609
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: to come off the football respect the run, so they

610
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: choke it down a little bit or even come to

611
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: a stop if they're really fooled by it, and then

612
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: they have to restart or else re accelerate if they

613
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: don't come to a complete stop. That gives you an

614
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: edge as an offensive lineman, and you know not to

615
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: mention what it does to the linebackers and the safeties

616
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: with respect to potential big chunks down the field. And

617
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: compound that with wide receivers on the edge they come

618
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: in and blocking safeties, they're cracking on outside linebackers. Whatever

619
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: they're doing in the running game, they go at that

620
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: same movement, that same motion, same look to those guys.

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Speaker 1: And so now you're playing its solid to play the run,

622
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: and he runs right by you, and all of a sudden,

623
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Speaker 1: you get a chunk play down the football field. So,

624
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many, so many benefits to it,

625
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: and you don't have to be an outstanding pass protector

626
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: in that type of scheme. Now, at some point in time,

627
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have to protect the quarterback. He's

628
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna take five seven step drops where he's seven nine

629
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: yards deep in the pocket. But if rather than having

630
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: to do that fifty times a game, or a defensive

631
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: lineman knows where is and he's just teeing off, you know,

632
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: fifty straight times, this offense with all the movement, formation,

633
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: movement um, changing the launch point of the quarterback in

634
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: and out of the pocket, moving the pocket, all of

635
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: those kind of things that this offense is going to do,

636
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna make it a lot easier. I think it's

637
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Speaker 1: I think it's offensive player friendly, it's offensive line friendly,

638
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: quarterback friendly, receiver friendly. I think I think it can

639
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: be all those things. But you know, as we've seen

640
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Newing Patriots figured it out. You know, they did a

641
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: good job. But that's that's that guy's the best to

642
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: ever do it, Bill Belichick, in terms of scheming on

643
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football, and then he has

644
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: a great quarterback executing on the other side of it.

645
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: But I mean, they got to the Super Bowl running

646
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: that offense. And this offense is going to be real

647
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: interesting to watch, Dan because you know there's going to

648
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: be some ram stuff, some West Coast stuff. You know,

649
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: all the guys and the staff have had different exposures

650
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: to different offenses. And they're three of them played quarterback.

651
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: They all have input. So it's going to be, you know,

652
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: a hybrid type of not a mishmatch, but a hybrid

653
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: type of maybe everything that they like about these offenses

654
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: put it all together and come up with something that

655
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: could really create problems from matchup standpoint for defenses. It's

656
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: going to be fun to watch, But I don't think

657
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: you have to be a you know, a dominant pass

658
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: protector as an offensive lineman they have success in this offense.

659
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: You do have to be a pretty good run blocker though,

660
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: to have success. And we've talked about it before. I

661
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: always harken back to the Houston Texans under Gary Kubiak

662
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: when they were really lightening it up. I'd watch end

663
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: zone tape and it would be at the mesh point

664
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Speaker 1: when the quarterbacks, you know, is he going to hand

665
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: it off or not to the running back in the

666
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: play action fake. The offensive lineman are looking the exact

667
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: same whether they're running it or the play action pass.

668
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, they're not lying down the field, but they're

669
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 1: doing their inside outside zone type schemes and they're doing

670
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: it aggress It's like man is that a run? And

671
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: even looking at the tight ends of receivers, like, I mean,

672
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: their footwork, everything's the exact same. I'm like man and

673
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: guests and would literally be a guest in fifty to

674
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: fifty it was like seemed like half the time. Dam

675
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: that's right, I thought there, And even considering down in distance,

676
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: a lot of times they do that play acts and stuff.

677
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: On second and eight, second and nine, you think they

678
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: probably probably passed here and they're going to run it.

679
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Third and four they run it, you know, sometimes third

680
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: and two, I think I gonna run it. No, it's

681
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: a play action pass. So if you get that running

682
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: game going, you can be real contrarian, you know, in

683
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: your play calling and really get the defense on their

684
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: heels and put them in a guessing game. Then you

685
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: got you got a leg up for sure. How much

686
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: did that scheme help Andrew Whitworth maintain his status as

687
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: being known as one of the best left tackles in

688
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: the NFL in his late thirties, Yeah, I think I

689
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: think a lot. And uh Sullivan the center that um,

690
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, Sullivan and Whitworth were up there and advanced

691
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: long on the tooth, and I do think that that

692
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, rather than just having Wit drop you know,

693
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: set up and pass protect fifty straight times, you know,

694
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: or fifty times during the course of a game, you know,

695
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: in pass protection and Sullivan doing the same thing. I

696
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: think you know, it makes it makes life easier, There's

697
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: no question about it. You know, it's um any anytime, anytime,

698
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: you can put an element of doubt in a defensive

699
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: player's mind. This whole game is about confidence, you know,

700
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: playing with confidence. If you if you think you know

701
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: exactly you know, you know, you know exactly what to do,

702
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: and you think your opponent doesn't really know what to do. Man,

703
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: you feel like you're superman at that point, you know,

704
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: And it is it's all about putting an element of doubt.

705
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, the defensive side of it. If

706
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: if you're out there, whatever position it is, and it's like, man,

707
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure about this. What if he

708
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: does this? What if he does that? You're done. You're beaten.

709
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: You're beaten before you even even the stamp of the football.

710
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: But if you line up and it's like, I know

711
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm gonna do. I don't care what he does.

712
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: I know by rules, by rules. I know what I'm

713
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: spposed to do. If he does this, I know what

714
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to do. If he does that, I'm gonna

715
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: go kick his tail. And you know, now you're playing fast,

716
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: you're playing confidently. And last year we saw a Bengals

717
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: defense that was playing in doubt and a lot of times,

718
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes guys are giving cushion because they're not sure.

719
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: You know, they're not supposed to give seven yards cushion.

720
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: And as a coach, I l y'all to you're kicking

721
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: him in the butt, pushing them back up close to

722
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. But when you're not sure, it

723
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. When you teams that the you know,

724
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: inside the ten yardline, a guy's given four yards cushion

725
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: in the end zone, Why the heck would you do that?

726
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like, you know, get up

727
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: and challenge some people every once in a while, and

728
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: so it is. It's all about mindset, it's all about mentality.

729
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: And if you're a confident athlete, is an athlete that

730
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: can play fast, and you know that's what you're looking for.

731
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: We're in the locker room talking to quite a few

732
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: of the players on Friday. I got excited just hearing

733
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon because he is bubbling with excitement with the

734
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to play in this scheme he is. I think

735
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: he uh, you know, he led the AFC in rushing

736
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: last year. You know he's uh, he's obviously coming off

737
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: of off of that. Now. You know, Lindsay got injured

738
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: the Broncos he was tracking. There's there's always circumstances and everything.

739
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: Bottom line is, though he was number one in the

740
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: in the AFC rushing the football, he missed two games himself.

741
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: So he did it in in a fourteen game season. Pretty impressive, um,

742
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I think he wants to build on that.

743
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: And I think there's always a guy that you know,

744
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: some guys don't say a boo when they're leading, and

745
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: they lead by example. Other guys are emotional and vociferous,

746
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: and you know they not only lead by example, but

747
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: they lead by um, you know, trying to elevate you

748
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: from a verbal standpoint wherever the case. And Joe's Joe's

749
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: that guy. I mean, Joe's the guy when they're having

750
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: their competitive periods of practice. Was Joe's like, oh, there's

751
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: an offense and defensive guy that's you know, getting after

752
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: each other. Joe's always the offensive guy that's getting after

753
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: the defense. So he's he's that you know, he's that

754
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: kind the guy. He's the type a personality guy that way,

755
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: but he backs it up. And that's that's what you

756
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: that's what you like to have. The thing that the

757
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: things I love about Joe when I watched Joe, if

758
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: they're up twenty or down twenty, if he makes a

759
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: big play, he celebrates it, you know, and not necessarily

760
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: in a way to call attention to Joe. It's just like, yeah,

761
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, I did exactly what I was supposed to do.

762
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: And he's he's an excitable football player. I like those

763
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: kind of guys, you know, and U Joe's not a

764
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: selfish player. I think Joe's just a you know, he'll

765
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: give credit to his offensive line of good, credit to

766
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: his wide receivers is full if there is one. Everybody

767
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: tight ends, everybody blocking for him. But he just he

768
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: wh when a play is executed the way it's supposed

769
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: to be done, he celebrates it. And I don't I

770
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: don't see anything wrong with that. Our summer vacation is over. Unbelievable.

771
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: Here we go. First, first practice up in Dating is

772
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: celebrating the one hundredth year of the game. First game

773
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: played up there in Dating, the Dating Triangles beat the

774
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: team from Columbus fourteen ZIP. That was big back then.

775
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: I guess I'm sure it was. The Columbus team name,

776
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: by the way, was the Panhandles. The gates at Welcome

777
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: Stadium open at one thirty on Saturday, and admission is free.

778
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: Practice a schedule to start at two thirty and last

779
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: for about an hour, followed by an autograph session. If

780
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: you can't make it, NFL Network will air live coverage.

781
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: The Bengals will hold their first practice in downtown Cincinnati

782
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon at three. Now time for this week's

783
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: fun fact segment as we get to know a new

784
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: member of the coaching staff. He was John Gruden's quarterbacks

785
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: coach last year in Oakland after earning a Super Bowl

786
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: ring with the Denver Broncos. Time for some fun facts

787
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: with Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. The Bengals list your

788
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: hometown as Champagne, Illinois, but as the son of a coach,

789
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you lived all over the place. As a kid,

790
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: was that the case. Yeah, for the most part, I

791
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: lived in I really got I went to high school

792
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: in one place, so birthplace with Champaign, Illinois. My dad

793
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: was at the University of Illinois. But we moved to

794
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: Arizona and north to Carpondale and Madison, Wisconsin. I would

795
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: say Madison is kind of where my childhood was kindergarten

796
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: through fifth grade. And then when we lived in South Jersey,

797
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: when I was in middle school with my dad was

798
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: the Eagles. And then I went to high school out

799
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Speaker 1: in the Bay Area and my dad was with the Raiders.

800
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: So I got through high school in one place. I

801
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: was fortunate. It's not always the case for every coaches kids.

802
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: So but yeah, we moved around a little bit. You

803
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: probably learned how to make friends quickly. I loved moving around,

804
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: and I think when you look back, and I'm actually

805
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of excited for my kids to have that experience.

806
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: I've lived in most major geographical areas of the country.

807
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: You get to meet a bunch of different types of people.

808
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: It allows you to learn how to get along with people,

809
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: allows you to learn how to make friends you don't

810
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: know anybody. I think it helped me as a kid

811
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Speaker 1: grown up to be a little more outgoing and put

812
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: myself out there and learned how to make a friend

813
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: or two and needed. We're doing fun facts with Brian Callahan.

814
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: Your dad, Bills, the former head coach of the Oakland

815
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: Raiders and the Nebraska Cornhuskers. He's currently lead the offensive

816
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: line coach of the Washington Redskins. Were you allowed to

817
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: go behind the scenes with his teams as a kid? Oh? Yeah,

818
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: that was the best part about being a coach's kid.

819
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Speaker 1: If you love football. What a great way to grow up.

820
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: I was in I was in OTAs and training camps,

821
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Speaker 1: and I worked in the equipment room. I used to

822
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Speaker 1: go to practice and throw, so I would be out

823
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Speaker 1: there throwing individual drills as a high school kid, which

824
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: was a great experience. I got to throw some pretty

825
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: good players in Oakland there for a couple of years.

826
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I got to sit in meetings. So oddly enough,

827
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Speaker 1: I used to sit in John Gruden's quarterback meetings when

828
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Speaker 1: I was fourteen and fifteen years old and he was

829
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Speaker 1: still the head coach there, and low and behold, a

830
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: bunch of years later, I get to go work for him.

831
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I got to see kind of all of it,

832
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: from meetings to dealing with the players and being at

833
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: practice and being around and I had to get occasional

834
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Speaker 1: reminder that whatever I heard in the field as it

835
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: wasn't okay to bring back to the house. But yeah,

836
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Speaker 1: I got to see you quite a bit. For a

837
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Speaker 1: young kid, I've been hanging around training camps since I

838
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: was about eleven or twelve. And who are some of

839
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: the guys who were throwing too in Oakland? Tim Brown,

840
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice, those two guys, those pretty good players. Um

841
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, then those were those areasly too that stand out.

842
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: But then to get to be around a guy like

843
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: Rich Gannon as a high school high school athlete, to

844
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: see him and he was always great to me and

845
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: answer questions, and I got a chance to pick his

846
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: brain here and there, and uh, you know, Jim Harbaugh

847
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: was a quart to control coach. Then David Shaw was

848
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: on that staff. A bunch of really really good coaches,

849
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: Mark Trustman. There's guys that have been around coaching pro

850
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: football for a long time and head coaches in college.

851
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: So just to be able to grow up around that

852
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: environment where there's a bunch of guys at that point

853
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: where they were young too, that you know, took an

854
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: interest in me and helped me and answer questions when

855
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: I had questions. So it was a great experience growing up.

856
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Kind of suits my current profession. I'll say, in his

857
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: first year as a head coach, your dad took the

858
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: Raiders to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately the game against Tampa

859
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: Bay didn't turn out well. But where are your most

860
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: vivid memories of that season and that Super Bowl appearance?

861
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: Quite a bit. I was. I was a freshman in college,

862
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: so I had a chance. I was. I was into it.

863
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: It was very it was important to me. I was proud,

864
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: I was was excited for my dad. So I remember

865
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: remember a Pittsburgh game where they threw the ball I

866
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: don't know, like sixty sometimes and beat the Steelers because

867
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: the Steelers front was really good that year. They're hard

868
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: to run the ball against. I just remember a bunch

869
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: of Charlie Gardner highlights. I remember Tyrone Wheatley kind of

870
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: smashing people down when they needed him too. Um and

871
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: then just I just remember specifically just how great of

872
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: a season rich Gannon had that year's NFL MVP. His

873
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: his accuracy, his preparation that was my first kind of

874
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: exposure to what an elite prepare, uh, you know how

875
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: he approached the game. So there were some really fun moments.

876
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: I think that AFC Championship game against the Titans when

877
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: they kind of they they beat him once through the

878
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: year they played NFC CHAMPIONI game, Oakland was rocking. It

879
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: was an awesome environment. I'll never forget that. That was

880
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: a That AFC Championship game is pretty special. That crowd

881
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: there and the energy electricity at the stadium and cmrays

882
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: at AFC. The Lamar Hunt Trophy for the to go

883
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl was a was a pretty cool

884
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: moment for me and my family. We're visiting with offensive

885
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: coordinator Brian Callahan. Let's talk about your playing career a

886
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: little bit. As a high school player, you were part

887
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: of the greatest winning streak in history day las Sell

888
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: High School won one hundred and fifty one consecutive games

889
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: from ninety two to two thousand and four. You were

890
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: there toward the tail end of the winning streak. Was

891
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: there a lot of pressure on you and your teammates

892
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: to extend the streak? You know, we never we finally

893
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: felt it, you know, looking back now, but back then.

894
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: We didn't know any any different. We just we just

895
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: knew we were really good and we knew that we

896
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: were gonna I think what the foundation of that program

897
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: was pretty unique and special. Bob Ladish is an incredible

898
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: high school football coach and human being, and the way

899
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: that he made that culture there. We never felt the pressure.

900
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: There was never any pressure from them, any pressure that

901
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: it usually came from the outside. We just wanted to

902
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: go out and play well and do our job right

903
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: and whatever our assignment was or whatever our goals or

904
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: commitments for that week where we wanted to meet those

905
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: and U I think it's a really good lesson for

906
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: a young any young athlete. You start to learn that

907
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, all the all the end results don't really

908
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: matter as much as the as the process and the

909
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: journey of getting to that point. So UM did a

910
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: really good job of kind of keeping a bunch of

911
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: young high school kids focused on the on the daily

912
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: goals and the and the and the doing things the

913
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: right way all the time, versus just assuming that we

914
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: were just going to go win a game because we

915
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: were good or because we've had the street we were

916
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: gonna go win. It was It was a unique, unique

917
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: environment to start my football career. I still, I would say,

918
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that I learned there I

919
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: still carry over into this level. And you know, if

920
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of secrets in football, so good

921
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: teams usually good teams for a reason. Uh. And and

922
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: a lot of those things that we did there, I've

923
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of carried throughout my coaching careers a little bit

924
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: of the foundation of who I am as a football coach,

925
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: and at the time was as a player, you walked

926
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: down to UCLA and served as a backup quarterback. When

927
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: did you side to pursue a career in coaching after

928
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: my So I walked on, uh. And I was a

929
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: typical walk on. I was the fourth or fifth or

930
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: sixth quarterback, and I'd run some scout team and I

931
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and I love being a part of the team,

932
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: and I love competing, and I wanted to try to

933
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: do my best to try to My goal was to

934
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: go walk on earn a scholarship, mainly approved to myself

935
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: that I could that I could find a way to

936
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: do that. But after my sophomore year, obviously I realized

937
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: that you know, the NFL probably wasn't in my future.

938
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: I was gonna have to find another alternative to go

939
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: earn a living, which you know, for anybody who plays

940
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: football as a you get to eighteen nineteen years old

941
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you go as a professional

942
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: career might not be in my future. So I started

943
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: thinking of the options that were kind of in front

944
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: of me. And I love football, I love being around it,

945
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: so it was the next logical choice. Plus it was

946
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: a chance to be a graduate assistant at UCLA get

947
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: my grad degree UCLA, and I figured if I didn't

948
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: love coaching after being a grad assistant, I'd have two

949
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: degrees from UCLA and I'd be okay, so I could

950
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: find something I would like to do with that. But

951
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: I ended up loving it. I love being a graduate assistant,

952
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I love coaching. I loved all of it. So I

953
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: pursued the coaching aspect. What was your first full time

954
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: coaching job and what were the responsibilities My first full

955
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: time coaching job, I was the freshman offensive coordinator at

956
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: Unipero Serra High School in sam Mateo, California, which is

957
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's alma mater. Good Good High School program, Competitive

958
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: Catholic League in the Bay Area. But that was I

959
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: was a freshman football coach and you're only You're only

960
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: allowed thirteen coaches on the staff at the time in

961
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: the league, so it kept them from having all kinds

962
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: of coaches and you had to have x amount of

963
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: them on campus. So I took a job as a

964
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: full time teacher and UH assistant football coach, and that

965
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: was my first full time gig, and I loved every

966
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: second of it. To me, it actually some of the

967
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: most fun I've ever had coaching. I was coaching high

968
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: school kids. It's I wasn't ready at twenty three years

969
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: old to settle down for the next forty years as

970
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: a high school teacher and coach. It just wasn't. It

971
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: wasn't for me at that time, so I decided I

972
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: wanted to keep pushing further. But um, that was my

973
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: first full time job, and I loved every second. I

974
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: still talked to a bunch of the kids that I

975
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: coached there. We're doing fund facts with Brian Callahan as

976
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: an NFL assistant coach. You were part of a Super

977
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: Bowl winning staff with the Broncos in twenty fifteen. Turned

978
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: out to be Peyton Manning's final game. Describe Peyton Manning boy,

979
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: how much time you got. He was incredible. He was

980
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: incredible to me. My role, especially that year, had kind

981
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: of morphed. I was a little bit of a I'd

982
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: kind of played the go between between him and coach

983
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: Kubiak because I was one of the few guys that

984
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: was still there that knew kind of everything about how

985
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: he had done things previously. We were trying to transition

986
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: the system a little bit at the time to what

987
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: Gary had done for so long, so we kind of

988
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: had to marry these two systems together, and that kind

989
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: of became my middle role. There was with that, And

990
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the best part about being around him was the challenge

991
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: every day was you had to be on and he

992
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: had He'd have a thousand questions and he'd ask you,

993
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: and he had to be affirmative in your answers and

994
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: you had to know what you were talking about. And

995
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: over if the course of four years that I kind

996
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: of earned his respect. I think in that are for

997
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: my preparation to help him, And I think that when

998
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: you get to the when you deal with guys like that,

999
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: the challenge is the most fun. They keep you on

1000
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: your toes. There's you know, there was never a never

1001
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: a moment where I didn't feel like I had to

1002
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: be studying or on whatever it was repreparing for and

1003
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: it and it pushed me and made me a much

1004
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: better a much better coach, and a much better football

1005
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: mind because the way he kind of stimulated and made

1006
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: me think about things, and then just getting the overall

1007
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: picture of what the quarterback position is supposed to look like,

1008
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: how to go about your daily business, how to manage,

1009
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: how to be in the locker room, how he went

1010
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: about preparing, how he practiced, the intensity at which he practiced,

1011
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: and in meetings at eighteen years into the league, that

1012
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: every day was like a new day, like he had

1013
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: never heard the information before. It was really really impressive,

1014
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: and I'm very grateful to have been around that and

1015
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: to him to allow me to be a part of

1016
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: that journey for four years in Denver. It was it

1017
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: was really it was very challenging and it was a

1018
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Where it's your super Bowl ring and

1019
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: when do you show it off? A super Bowl ring

1020
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: is in a safe. Um it is here in Cincinnati,

1021
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: but it's in a safe and I show it off.

1022
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, I've never actually worn it to be totally.

1023
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: I've never I've never worn it anywhere except to the

1024
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: ring ceremony in Denver that that's at the end of

1025
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: that year. Um. I show it occasionally and people kind

1026
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: of ask about it. I don't take it out too often,

1027
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: but it is I assume at some point later in

1028
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: my life I will. But it's really big and gaudy

1029
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: and it's it's almost over the top. I just I

1030
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: don't know when to wear it. I don't know, you know,

1031
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: there's probably events at some point in some reunion and

1032
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: someday I'll wear it too. But they're really not meant

1033
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: to be worn anymore. No, they're they're they're so big

1034
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: that they they're they're more of a presentation piece than

1035
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: they are. I have a replica of the super Bowl trophy.

1036
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: That's it's it's in my house and that tends to

1037
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of quell most of the curiosity about it. And

1038
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: every now and against my gonna be ring and if

1039
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: I have it there, I'll be happy to show it.

1040
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: You're off the hot seat. I appreciate the time, best

1041
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: of luck this year, very much appreciate it. And that's

1042
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: going to do it. For this week's podcast. If you

1043
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: haven't done so already, don't forget to subscribe on iTunes, stitch,

1044
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: your Google Play, Spotify or pod Bean, and if you

1045
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: have a minute, please give it a rating or leave

1046
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: a comment. Your feedback has been helpful and those five

1047
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: star ratings help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm

1048
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: Dan Horde and thanks for listening to The Bengals Booth Podcast.