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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show. I

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Speaker 1: hope all of you had fabulous weekends. Exhilarating day at

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Speaker 1: the Masters. I bet a lot of you watched Ry

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Speaker 1: McElroy with the big Win markets up a bit. As

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Speaker 1: the Trump tariff discussion continues in earnest, particularly as it

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Speaker 1: pertains to China, we have got a ton to discuss

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Speaker 1: with all of you from a variety of different perspectives.

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Speaker 1: But right off the top, I know many of you

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Speaker 1: have been really concerned about this, wanting the absolute latest.

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Speaker 1: It didn't happen while we were on the air, but

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Speaker 1: on Friday evening Buck and Carrie Sexton became parents. Their

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Speaker 1: baby boy James arrived. Mom and baby are doing well.

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Speaker 1: Buck says right now he expects to be back on

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Speaker 1: tomorrow so we can hear how the delivery went down

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Speaker 1: in Miami. But the pictures are up. I know we

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Speaker 1: have shared them from the Buck's social account. I know

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Speaker 1: that Buck has shared them from his social accounts. I

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Speaker 1: would imagine that there are pictures for those of you

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Speaker 1: who want to go and look certainly at those social accounts,

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Speaker 1: but also I imagine that there are pictures up on

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Speaker 1: clayanbuck dot com, and if there are not, we should

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Speaker 1: definitely make sure that we post them there for people

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Speaker 2: On social media at all.

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Speaker 1: But that is fabulous news, and I know many of

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Speaker 1: you have been following that closely. You've been asking about it,

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Speaker 2: The air on Friday.

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Speaker 1: But come Friday evening, the official news that James speed

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Speaker 1: Sexton had entered the world came down. And We're going

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Speaker 1: to have a lot of fun talking with Buck about

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Speaker 1: what it's like to have become a dad, and I

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Speaker 1: know he is exhilarated and is going to be headed

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Speaker 1: for many sleepless nights in the near future as any

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Speaker 1: dad and mom have experienced, and many of you out

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Speaker 1: So for those of you that have been concerned about that,

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Speaker 1: really great news to start off our Monday that the

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Speaker 1: So you can find pictures up on Buck's account, up

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Speaker 1: already up at clayanbuck dot com. For those of you

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Speaker 1: are we in the universe. That is awesome news. And

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Speaker 1: like I said, I think Buck's going to be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if that remains the case. It was out

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Speaker 1: Thursday Friday. We'll be back, I think on Tuesday with

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Speaker 1: a brand new baby. Okay, So let's dive into a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different stories that are underway right now. I

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Speaker 1: in Miami, did an Air Force one interview. Afterwards. We

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Speaker 1: will play that for you. Coming up. Pennsylvania Governor, this

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Speaker 1: is an awful story. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro had someone

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Governor's mansion. I've got a lot of thoughts on this.

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Speaker 1: They have arrested the suspect, and his motivations remain unclear,

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Speaker 1: We will talk some about that. Bill Maher made a

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Speaker 1: all of that and more. Plus, I did Fox and

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Speaker 1: So I talked about on Friday the fact that I

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Speaker 1: And then the play itself ends with George Clooney's play

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Speaker 1: you know what I think this argument has, this is

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Speaker 1: the best side. I think this argument is more cogent.

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Speaker 1: I think it wins, and I don't think you can

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Speaker 1: make good arguments. Just like my son in debate could

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Speaker 1: never win debate tournaments if he only argued one side

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Speaker 1: and only won and read the evidence from the side

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Speaker 1: he agrees with. I don't think in larger society we

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Speaker 1: can win arguments by burying our head in the sand

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Speaker 1: and not paying attention to what other people are saying.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes they may be able to persuade you that

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Speaker 1: something is right that you hadn't considered. I'm open to

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Speaker 1: Why was I so confident during COVID Because I read everything,

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Speaker 1: The data supported me. But you know how I got

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Speaker 1: to a lot of that data by reading all of

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of you do this.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how a lot of you have found

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Speaker 1: this show, because I see the numbers on how we're growing,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're speaking to seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: arguments of the left than the left is to the

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Speaker 1: arguments of the right. And frankly, if you're living in

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Speaker 1: such a world where you saw that image of Elon

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Speaker 1: Musk and you thought, oh my goodness, he's out there

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Speaker 1: doing Nazi salutes, it's not a credit to you. It's

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Speaker 1: actually a discredit because you haven't been exposed as much

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Speaker 1: Which is why I think we could win. I think

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Speaker 1: the listeners of this show, if we tested you, guys,

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Speaker 1: would test far higher on knowledge not only of so

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Speaker 1: called right wing talking points, but also left wing talking points.

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Speaker 1: While we play clips from the view for you, while

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Speaker 1: And I just I couldn't get over it when I

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Speaker 1: saw the way that that play ended. Christian in North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: you got a question. Oh yeah, hey, Christian, what you

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Speaker 1: got for us? Hey, sar So, I was wondering with

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Speaker 1: the Elon Musk, with the play they made, is there

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Speaker 1: no way that Elon could charge him for defamation of character?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 1: Legally, that standard for defamation is tough in the United

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Speaker 1: States based on the New York Times v. Sullivan cases.

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Speaker 1: Is me putting on my lawyer hat, But I do

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Speaker 1: think that if I were Elon and we're going to

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Speaker 1: reach out to him and see if he wants to

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Speaker 1: sharing the information about that play, which I'm sure he's

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Speaker 1: heard about from other people too. If I were him,

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Speaker 1: I would call out George Clooney directly. I think George

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Speaker 1: Clooney should have to answer for the way that that

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Speaker 1: clip is portrayed at the end of the movie and

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Speaker 1: explain what his intent was in using it, because I

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Speaker 1: think it's fundamentally dishonest. And if I were giving you

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Speaker 1: the reading of he's trying to point out that people

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Speaker 1: on the left can also be subject to having their

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Speaker 1: emotions taken advantage of, well, that would be an interesting take,

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Speaker 1: and it would basically be him indicting the entire audience

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Speaker 1: that's paid to come watch that play, by and large,

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Speaker 1: because I think people like me were in the minority

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Speaker 1: reacting as we did. But I do think that's an

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Speaker 1: interesting question. I would come out into the public arena

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Speaker 1: and out George Clooney directly if I were Elon Musk,

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Speaker 1: because I do think that would be a worthy commentary

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Speaker 1: from him. The challenge is it's very hard when you're

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Speaker 1: a public figure to be able to get damages in

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Speaker 1: the United States for defamation. I'm sure what they would

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Speaker 1: say in their defense was that it wasn't intended to

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Speaker 1: be directly representative of what Elon Musk said, and that

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Speaker 1: their goal was just to be provocative because a play

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Speaker 1: is a work of art, and they wanted to get

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Speaker 1: the gasp, They wanted to get the reaction from the audience.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that's true, Provocation can be a goal of art.

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Speaker 1: The problem here, as I see it, is the entire

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Speaker 1: message of your play was we need an honest journalist

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Speaker 1: base to hold people who are powerful accountable, and then

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Speaker 1: you dishonestly edited an image to completely defeat the entire

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Speaker 1: purpose of your play. At the end, we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: fireworks inside of the Oval office just now, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that momentarily. But Steve and Charleston, South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: what you.

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Speaker 2: Got for me?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Clay, thanks for taking my call. I think you're

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Speaker 6: engaging in a charitable interpretation of the producers of that

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Speaker 6: play by suggesting that they're engaging in some sort of

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Speaker 6: subtle satire that would require a level.

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Speaker 5: Of self awareness and introspection that the Left does not have.

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Speaker 5: And they're beyond satire and parody. So I think they

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Speaker 5: did this and they justified it in their minds by saying, well,

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Speaker 5: we dished Clinton and we dished Biden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting question because do you think

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Speaker 1: anybody on that staff knew the full context of the

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk clip. That is where I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: I would love to know this full story. I think

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Speaker 1: George Clooney should have to answer for it. I think

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Speaker 1: the playwright should have to answer for it. And it's

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Speaker 1: why I think Elon Musk calling them out publicly could

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Speaker 1: force that, because if they knew the full context.

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Speaker 2: That gets closer to a.

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Speaker 1: Legally actionable activity that Elon Musk could could engage in,

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Speaker 1: because then they're intentionally not showing the full context.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to be somewhat charitable in explaining, Hey, maybe

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Speaker 1: there's multiple motivations. Maybe there's somebody who's actually a undercover

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Speaker 1: conservative inside of that organization and he got that Elon

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Speaker 1: must Nazi salute up, and every single time that it's

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Speaker 1: shown in that theater, he enjoys or she enjoys the

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Speaker 1: reaction because it further confirms what a bubble these elite

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Speaker 1: left wing New Yorkers by and large are living in.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's an interesting question, and I

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Speaker 1: think you have to engage in the culture to examine

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Speaker 1: why it might be going on. I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 1: This was just some fireworks inside of the Oval Office.

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Marco Rubio and our buddy, well he's

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Speaker 1: our buddy too. Both these guys are our buddies. And

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Speaker 1: Steven Miller just called out CNN with the facts on

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Speaker 1: the situation in El Salvador as it pertains to illegals

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Speaker 1: that are being held in prisons there. Listen to cut

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Speaker 1: thirty two.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand what the execution is. This individual is

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Speaker 4: a citizen of Osavagor. He was illegally in the United

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Speaker 4: States and was returned to this country. That's where you

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Speaker 4: deport people back to their country of origin, except for Venezuela.

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Speaker 9: That one's refusing to people back in places like that.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you this, mister President.

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Speaker 4: No, the foreign policy of the United States is conducted

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Speaker 4: by the President of the United States, not by a court.

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Speaker 4: And no court in the United States has a right

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Speaker 4: to conduct the foreign policy in the United States.

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Speaker 6: Is that simple?

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Speaker 2: And that's one specifically second.

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Speaker 9: Point, the Supreme Court said exactly what Marco said, that

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Speaker 9: no court has the authority to.

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Speaker 2: Develop a foreign policy councture the United States.

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Speaker 9: We want a case nine to zero, and people like

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Speaker 9: CNN are portraying it as a loss as usual because

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Speaker 9: they want foreign terrorists in the country who kidnapped women

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Speaker 9: and children. But President Trump, his policy is foreign terrorists

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Speaker 9: that are here legally get expelled from the country, which.

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Speaker 1: By the way is in ninety ten, Isshi, I think

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Speaker 1: he's right, and Steven Miller does fantastic work.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's just happening. We've got the L.

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Speaker 1: Salvador President visiting inside of the Oval Office, the debate,

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Speaker 1: the dispute whether or not illegals can be sent to L.

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Speaker 1: Salvador and what sort of hearings they're entitled to before

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Speaker 1: that place. We'll break down that continued battle going on inside.

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Speaker 2: Of the Oval Office.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk about the Josh Shapiro house burning, Pennsylvania's governor,

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Speaker 1: what is occurring there. And also Taylor Lorenz, this is

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Speaker 1: a former Washington Post reporter, says she loves Luigi Mangioni.

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Speaker 1: This is the individual accused of committing the murder of

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Speaker 1: the healthcare executive and that he is a very morally

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Speaker 1: fine person. I think you're going to hear this audio,

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Speaker 1: and I think you're going to be of the opinion

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Speaker 1: that you cannot believe it is real.

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Speaker 2: That's my reaction.

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Speaker 1: Plus, we'll get into Bill Maher visiting Donald Trump, the

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock Dinner, and Stephen A. Smith of ESPN did

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Speaker 1: all the morning shows and says he may run for president.

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Speaker 1: What in the world's going on that's still to come

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Speaker 1: on Clay and Buck