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Speaker 1: So one of the things I bang on, and I'm

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Speaker 1: of Always College Football, former BAMA quarterback twenty ten national champ.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I bang on consistently in my

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Speaker 1: The world's ending. And I kept saying on the twelve

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Speaker 1: football will be different. It'll be magnificent. It'll still be lobsided,

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Speaker 1: be fine. So the audience, the consumer is telling you, Greg,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's still, actually, Willie wrote, really well received, Colin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing about the SEC is they still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a lot of different things to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I've said that we need to temper not only expectations

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Speaker 2: But oftentimes he played so much out of the system.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to be okay with Miller Moss

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Speaker 2: think it will allow Lincoln's exo acumen to shine this

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Speaker 1: It's like I have a source inside USC football.

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Speaker 1: I am not as confident with Ohio State because I

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Speaker 2: has gone out and prioritized running back. They go out

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Speaker 2: and got quinch On Judkins. They already had Trevon Henderson.

432
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: The offensive line is a question mark. But what Chip

433
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Speaker 2: Kelly can do is they're gonna play hard and they're

434
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Speaker 2: gonna get by a little bit running the football with

435
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Speaker 2: smoking mirrors. So I think they're traditional run sets that

436
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: they've used the last couple Ye you're not going to

437
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: beat Michigan with that because Michigan's got better D lineman

438
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: than you have O linemen. I don't know why. They

439
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: just do and they've had that for years and they're

440
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Speaker 2: probably going to have it again this year based on

441
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: what they bring back up front defensively. But if you

442
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: have one side of the offensive line blocking one play,

443
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: the left side of the offensive line blocking another play,

444
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: two completely different plays, you're reading a guy right in

445
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: the middle. You can't block him, so you might as

446
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: well read him, and you got a pass play off

447
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: of it. Now you're cooking them with gas. So I

448
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: think chip Kelly being hired by Ryan Day. Ryan Day

449
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: acknowledged that his run game was a blind spot, and

450
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: that's a really hard thing for coaches to do too.

451
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Speaker 2: I mean, hey, I've won a lot of games. I've

452
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: lost five games in my career as a head coach, Like, yeah,

453
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Speaker 2: I got to acknowledge though, that that's a little bit

454
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Speaker 2: of a blind spot for me. I need Chip Kelly

455
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Speaker 2: to come in. I'll handle the pass concepts, he handles

456
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Speaker 2: the run concepts, and now we're going to make this

457
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Speaker 2: thing work together perfectly. So I really like Ohio State

458
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: this year, but your one hundred percent right. I mean,

459
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: Michigan had their number. Is a terrible matchup, much like

460
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: you just talked about with Oregon and Washington. Terrible matchup

461
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Speaker 2: for Ohio State, and I wasn't all to see Michigan

462
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: went three straight against him.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm predicting Oregon beats Ohio State and Eugene,

464
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Speaker 1: but Ohio State gets further in the playoff and plays

465
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Speaker 1: for the national championship. I don't know who they'll play.

466
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Speaker 1: I think Alabama is the most underrated team, you know.

467
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: I think Texas and Sark's history. Let's talk Texas.

468
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Speaker 3: I love Sark.

469
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Speaker 1: There's things he does very well. He really knows. He

470
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Speaker 1: understands because he lived in LA. He understands under Pete Carroll, branding, recruiting.

471
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Speaker 1: He can really sell Texas. I mean he watched the

472
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Speaker 1: master in Pete Carroll take over college football. Like he

473
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Speaker 1: gets branding, he gets recruiting, he gets you know all gas,

474
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: no breaks. He really gets that. That's really It's like

475
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Speaker 1: a marketing mentor. His teams can be a little light

476
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Speaker 1: on the details. Sometimes I think they play with more

477
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: passion than smarts. I think sometimes I'm pulling my hair

478
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Speaker 1: out watching his team play.

479
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Speaker 3: But I like him.

480
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Speaker 1: I like his story. He had some personal issues, He's

481
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Speaker 1: overcome them. Impossible not to root for him. I like him,

482
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: I really do. I root for people who have been bullied,

483
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: or of struggle, or of you know, people who just

484
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: fall off the edge and climb back. So I love

485
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: that story. Hey, Nick Saban made a career out of

486
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: hiring guys whose careers looked over. He was a life

487
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: preserver for Lane, Kiffin and Sark and I think that's

488
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 1: an incredibly redeemable part of Nick Saban. But you tell me,

489
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: and I love Texas, but I don't trust Texas. There's

490
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Speaker 1: a big diff I fell in love with girls when

491
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: I was younger. Didn't trust them, but I loved them.

492
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Speaker 1: You know, there's no right like and.

493
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Speaker 3: That's my perception.

494
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Speaker 1: I trusted Harball teams, I trusted Saban teams. I trust

495
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Speaker 1: Georgia teams. Got it Texas is there's in a big spot.

496
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm just like, eh, eh, how do you view them?

497
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Speaker 2: It's perfectly fair. Uh, here's my frustration with Texas. You

498
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: see what they should be, and you see what they

499
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: could be and what they sometimes are. Allah the Alabama

500
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: game last year, the Texas Tech game at the end

501
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: of the season. Yeah, the Oklahoma State game in the

502
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: Big Twelve title, it's like, you see what they're capable of,

503
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: and it's like, my god, there's no one. This is

504
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: the most complete team in the sport. Like they're they're

505
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: winning it. Like Michigan doesn't want to see them, Bama

506
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: doesn't want to see them, Florida State didn't want to

507
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: see them. Nobody wants see Texas except for Washington because

508
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: they're going to throw it over their head. Yeah, but

509
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you don't still get that performance every week,

510
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: and you don't really get that performance every quarter like

511
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: when I saw and you look, if you watched the

512
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: best teams in the sport for a number of years,

513
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Speaker 2: whether it was the Urban Meyer led Ohio State teams,

514
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: whether it was the Nick Saban led Alabama teams, the

515
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll led USC teams, something miraculous had to happen

516
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 2: for them to lose games. Yeah, I mean it was

517
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: like miracle, right, Like Sanchez has to go to Corvallis

518
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: on a Thursday. It's ring sideways, you know, and it's

519
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: like the team has no business losing Oregon State, but

520
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: because of the circumstance, they lost Urban Meyer at Florida,

521
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: Like Jevins Dated the game of his life, scored twenty

522
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: one and beat him twenty one twenty on the last

523
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 2: second field goal or whatever it was. Nick Saban, I mean,

524
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel had to have the most ridiculous thing ever.

525
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: Cam Newton had to have the most ridiculous thing ever

526
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: kick sixes. Like weird stuff had to happen for those

527
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: teams to lose. You look at Texas, They'll play to

528
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: the level of the competition. And I can't understand why

529
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: Oklahoma last year you have three turnovers in the first quarter,

530
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Speaker 2: biggest game of the year at that point, after beating

531
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: Texas or beating Bama three four weeks earlier, you have

532
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: you know, you block a punt to get back in

533
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: at your you know, you end up almost winning the game,

534
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: and then you give up drive at the end quarterback

535
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: draw really to set the drive up and then they

536
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: go right down the field score. Then you look at

537
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: TCU five and seventeen, you win by three. You look

538
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: at the offensive performance against s Iowa State and you're like,

539
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: what was that? You know, there's just some perform Kansas State,

540
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: they're in overtime and can't State's got the ball inside

541
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: the five for four consecutive players can't score. I mean

542
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: that to me is strange. The year before that, if

543
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: you want to go back a year before the lose

544
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech on the road, you have, I mean,

545
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: just circumstantial losses that just really don't make sense. So

546
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: I understand the thought process because they are navigating to

547
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: a league now where the TCUs of the world don't

548
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: exist anymore. There's no disrespect to Texas Christion at all.

549
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: They're a good program. They're going to do great things.

550
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: They're going to be back in the playoff hunt again

551
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: at some point because of the league that they play in.

552
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: But if you took TCU and put them in the SEC,

553
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it fared very well.

554
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the reality.

555
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: We saw that on the national Championship stage a couple

556
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: of years ago. So they're going to have to play

557
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: on a consistent basis with more regularity. And that's I

558
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: think the next step in the evolution to building Texas

559
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: foundation that Sark wants to build is that doesn't matter

560
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: who you're playing against, where it's at, what's the score,

561
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: this is the expectation, this is the standard, and we

562
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: got a played to that standard every week.

563
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think what's happening in the Big Ten

564
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: in the SEC is Texas and Oklahoma are both going

565
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to discover that you can end up going and facing

566
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Speaker 1: Missouri and you think, oh, LSU in two weeks, We've

567
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: got you know, we got better personnel. And you look

568
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: up and you trail Georgia went to Missouri?

569
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Speaker 2: Was it last year? The year before?

570
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Speaker 1: And you're like, Missouri is kicking their ass. You don't

571
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: get that in the Big Ten. Now, Purdue once rushed

572
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I think that was an urban team. It

573
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: was like, what is happening?

574
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Speaker 2: I think he had one twenty seventeen. Yeah, the end,

575
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: it was like what was that?

576
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: Well?

577
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that happens a lot in the SEC where

578
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: you're like, you think it's the game before the game

579
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Speaker 1: and you're you're in Columbia and you're like, we're getting

580
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: pushed around, and and so I don't think Texas and

581
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma you can talk about it, you have to live

582
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: it for a year. That doesn't exist in the Big Ten.

583
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Whereas Ohio State has significantly better personnel than a good

584
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: program like Wisconsin, like almost every position. So it was

585
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: like you may have had a Penn State rhody in Michigan.

586
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: They kind of match up the differen And so the

587
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: difference is whereas Texas Oklahoma are going to go into

588
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: the SEC and go, all right, we gotta we gotta take.

589
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: A deep breath here.

590
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Speaker 1: This is a little more consistently difficult than we thought.

591
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: I think the inverse is true. I think Ohio State's

592
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna go oh shit at Seattle at Eugene. I think

593
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve teams going are more creative. I think

594
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: they're much better at home. People have no idea how

595
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: good tough it is to play in Seattle in November.

596
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking about the cold weather in Purdue. Go to

597
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Seattle when it's raining November eighteenth. So I think the

598
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Ohio States, I mean, buck guys don't go to Eugene. No,

599
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: it's fifty eight thousand, it's the loudest stadium I've ever

600
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: been in my life except Gainesville. So I think the Ohio,

601
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: the Big Ten is thinking all these soft teams Washington,

602
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: Oregon plan crappy weather Ohio. UCLA's irrelevant now that Chips

603
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: left USC. Lincoln's very clear. You don't face a lot

604
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: of Lincoln Riley offenses, by the way in the Big Ten.

605
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: So I think the SEC is going to be shocking

606
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: to Texas, Oklahoma. I think the PAC twelve schools, creativity,

607
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Jedfish Lanning, Lincoln Riley, You're going to find out they're not.

608
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Iowe perdue that they both of those programs, Oregon and

609
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: USC are buying good players. They have real collectives. So

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Speaker 1: that's my take. Your thoughts on that, my take on that.

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00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: I think it's one hundred percent accurate. And we've all

612
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: said and I had got into an argument with a

613
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: buddy of mine who I respect greatly, and I asked him, Hey,

614
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: what kind of style of football will win out in

615
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: the Big Ten and the RPO and the high volume

616
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: offense to that potentially, you know, find its way to

617
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: immediate success in the Big Ten. Or is it going

618
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: to be a line of scrimmage league where hey, you're

619
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: not running it on us, Like, no matter what, I

620
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: don't get you. Look at all the Big Ten teams

621
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Speaker 2: and I don't care if you're Northwestern or if you're

622
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: Michigan State, Like the whole identity of Big Ten football

623
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: is like, you're not running it between the tackles. Like

624
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: we're going to have three hundred and thirty pounds, six

625
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: foot one dudes that grew up on farms that have

626
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: been doing farmers walks with four hundred pound dumbbells for

627
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: twenty years since childhood, and just on a for fun,

628
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: they go bail hey, like you're not moving these defensive tackles.

629
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Speaker 2: So they got to get a little creative in the

630
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: run game from time to time. But that's been the identity.

631
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: The Pac twelve played the game on the perimeter, right.

632
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they can't go to toe to toe.

633
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean they can't. They can, but it was a

634
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: perimeter game. And that's why Utah I think found great

635
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: success in the Pac twelve in the last few years

636
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 2: because they could play the perimeter game. But they really

637
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: were rooted with brass knuckles, you know what I mean,

638
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: Like their core was brass force their tight ends to block. Yes,

639
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: So here's the thing that I'm curious about. I don't

640
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: care how bad SC's defense has been. If Iowa has

641
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: to score thirty to win, can they do it? And

642
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: and Iowa is a team that they're in the ap

643
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: top twenty five, like they're a team that I have

644
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: great respect for. But in the event in which hey,

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Speaker 2: it's a race to twenty eight, you ready to go?

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Speaker 2: I I really don't know how many teams, the Minnesota's

647
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Speaker 2: of the world, the Iowa's of the world, the Illinois

648
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Speaker 2: of the world, how many of those teams are going

649
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Speaker 2: to be comfortable getting into shootouts because I know SC

650
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: will be perfectly fine. Hey, you want to play to fifty,

651
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: We'll go first one there. Yeah, I think Washington will

652
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: be perfectly fine. And that's as well. And the event

653
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Speaker 2: in which the defense is a bad day, the offensive

654
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Speaker 2: step ahead. Are you comfortable getting the forty two to win?

655
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Speaker 2: Because I don't know how many teams at the Big

656
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Speaker 2: ten are The other thing is SC comfortable whinn are

657
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Speaker 2: you game thirteen to ten because you go play a

658
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: team like Nebraska or a team like Iowa and creepy weather.

659
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: If a game that you run into and I don't know,

660
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Speaker 2: will Lincoln get frustrated, Will Lincoln get impatient like he

661
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: did at Oklahoma? And the reason why Iowa State became

662
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: a thing under Matt Campbell is because he could frustrate

663
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley because it can never manufacture a big plays.

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Speaker 2: They would just play three stageties at the top. You're

665
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: not throwing a deep. You'd to take a bunch of checkdowns.

666
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: And I bet if you have to snap the ball

667
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: seventeen times on an offensive drive, you're gonna get greedy,

668
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: you're gonna get impatient, and you're gonna throw us one.

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Speaker 2: So that was kind of the the mo So I

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Speaker 2: just think it's gonna be fascinating to see how that

671
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: all works. But I think the Big Ten is probably

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00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: collectively sleeping on how physical the Pac twelve is. Not

673
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: that that's their bread and butter. It's not, and they

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00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: won't be as physical as the teams that they face

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Speaker 2: in the Big Ten, but I think that there they

676
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: can go toe to toe more than people are probably

677
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Speaker 2: assuming at the moment. Hey, what's up, everybody?

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Speaker 5: John Middlecoff here for the Three and Out podcasts. The

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Speaker 5: NFL season is right around the corner, and if you

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Speaker 1: So I want to address something people. I always think

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I have defended Jim Harbaugh, who I

687
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Speaker 1: think was viewed as my pesky rival years ago because

688
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Speaker 1: a clunky interview I did, but that was not the truth.

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Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, I had reached out to him and

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Speaker 1: his family so and Jim's been great that The reason

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Speaker 1: I have defended Michigan and Connor Stallions is this, if

692
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Speaker 1: in society we decided suddenly that bank robberies were legal,

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Speaker 1: I would have a hard time buying into throwing somebody

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Speaker 1: in jail for jaywalking. That the number one thing you're

695
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Speaker 1: you were never allowed to do in college football. It

696
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Speaker 1: was the death penalty was by high school players, by

697
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Speaker 1: any player, But you buying a high school player is

698
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: a death penalty that's now not only legal, it's encouraged.

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Speaker 1: It's the model. So I'm not a crooked mustache on

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Speaker 1: a sideline pass with a fuzzy iPhone. It just it

701
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: seems ticky tacky. Now is it appropriate? No, it's not appropriate.

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Speaker 3: Is there a level two violation? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: But when I read that, of the multitude of level

704
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Speaker 1: two violations, one of them was verifying an Instagram account

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Speaker 1: by a Michigan assistant, I'm like, time out, so you

706
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: can get into a bidding war for a sophomore linebacker

707
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Speaker 1: from ann arbor that. So my take has been it's

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Speaker 1: all nonsense, is that the culture in the world changed

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Speaker 1: and jaywalking doesn't matter to me anymore.

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Speaker 3: Let you let.

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00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Bank robberies now are legal, and we see this stuff

712
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: in tech politics. The world changes. So ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: I would have been much more punitive on Michigan, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can't do that, because you couldn't do anything. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, it's bidding wars for high schoolers. I

716
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Speaker 1: don't even care anymore. I really don't care whatever you do,

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Speaker 1: you do. So that's my take. Throw it back at.

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Speaker 3: Me and why I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: I don't entirely disagree with you. I think that when

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Speaker 2: you look at look at the world of coaching through

721
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Speaker 2: a lens of morality. Here probably let's just be honest,

722
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: like it's it's one of those. If you're not cheating,

723
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Speaker 2: you not, you're not trying. If you can't beat them,

724
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Speaker 2: join them. It's like that, it's daw it's eat or

725
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Speaker 2: be eaten. And I'm not condoning what went down at Michigan.

726
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Speaker 2: I will never do that. But here's my thought. And

727
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Speaker 2: I come from the Nick Saban school of personal accountability. Right, Okay,

728
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Speaker 2: this is my own personal opinion. If you steal my signs,

729
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: that's on me. That that's my own personal opinion. Now,

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Speaker 2: I played college in the NFL. Every single time I

731
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Speaker 2: was sitting on the sideline, not as a starter. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to steal signs every single time NFL go and

733
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Speaker 2: look twenty thirteen Cincinnati Bengals against New York Jets. I

734
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Speaker 2: had gotten cut by the Jets earlier in the year.

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Speaker 2: Gino Smith was playing quarterback, pac Man Jones is playing

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Speaker 2: left corner. I'm staying on the sideline. I know Martin

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Speaker 2: Morningwig and the entire West coast offen signals. Geno signals

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Speaker 2: under to the wide receiver. I tell Batman under under

739
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Speaker 2: pac Man jumps it takes it to the house. All

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Speaker 2: is fair. If Marty morning Wagon they know that I

741
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Speaker 2: was with them in camp and I was now on

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, and you are going to just keep it

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Speaker 2: as is. You're going to keep the same signal if

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Speaker 2: I were, if I were Marty morning Egg, this signal

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00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: the under signal, that would have been a stop and go.

746
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Speaker 2: That would have been an under and go because pac

747
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Speaker 2: Man would have jumped it and they would have been

748
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Speaker 2: out the gate for a touchdown. I thin if we

749
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Speaker 2: won that game, like forty nine to seven or something

750
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Speaker 2: along the lines of that, it was a lot too

751
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Speaker 2: a little. So I think back at my career and

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Speaker 2: if you wouldn't change your signals and that gave me

753
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Speaker 2: access to them, I would be able to create a

754
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Speaker 2: competitive advantage. No, a bridge too far is using recording

755
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: devices that to me is completely uncalled for and unnecessary.

756
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: But the gamesmanship of stealing signals on game day, that's life.

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00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: And we're trying to get other information about guys that

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Speaker 2: might have played there in the past or whatever. And

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Speaker 2: if you can get information, say hey, guy transfers from

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Speaker 2: Michigan to Ohio State, you think the Ohio State coaches

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Speaker 2: aren't asking the player that transferred in from Michigan about

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Speaker 2: Michigan schemes. Of course, they are. It's not illegal, but

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Speaker 2: it probably wouldn't be very smart for the Michigan coaches

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Speaker 2: in that scenario to use the same signals that they

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Speaker 2: used when that player was on their team. So I

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Speaker 2: think that while it looks really bad in the court

767
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Speaker 2: of public opinion, and while people think it had an

768
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Speaker 2: impact on the integrity of the game, it's hard to

769
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Speaker 2: disagree with that. But also things could have been done

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Speaker 2: by the opposing team to not allow Connor Stallion's information

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Speaker 2: to become relevant on game day. So that's my whole

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Speaker 2: thought process on it. But I think you're I think

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Speaker 2: your reasoning for feeling the way you feel is perfectly fine,

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Speaker 2: But my reasoning is coming from a player's perspective. We're

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Speaker 2: kind of saying the same thing, it's just coming from

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Speaker 2: at a slightly different angle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ohio State felt two years before it was announced

778
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Speaker 1: it was happening, And my take is, okay, if you're

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Speaker 1: not switching stuff up, especially for Michigan.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing.

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Speaker 1: If you keep some of your signals, but the Michigan

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Speaker 1: game is you prepare for that differently, and if you

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Speaker 1: knew two years out they were doing it, I don't

784
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: want to see I don't want to hear that you

785
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Speaker 1: know they stole our signs if you don't have to

786
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Speaker 1: your initial point separate signs for the Michigan game. I mean,

787
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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer talks about they were they scouted Michigan. Every

788
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: week you win that game. John Cooper won eleven games

789
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Speaker 1: a year. He couldn't beat Michigan, right, harpball was above

790
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: four years ago he was winning eleven a year. He

791
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: couldn't beat Ohio State. So to me, it's like, if

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00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: you knew about it two years ago and you were

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Speaker 1: investigating it, then you had to have been changing your

794
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: signals or you have bad coaches. So I think we

795
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Speaker 1: both get to the same spot is that it's not perfect.

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00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of there. But it's murkier than people are saying,

797
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. It's it's murkier everybody's stealing signs.

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Speaker 1: I love your Marty morning Went stuff because I've had

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Speaker 1: role players. The backup quarterback's job in the NFL is it,

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: That's why I have an NFL pension. So I was

802
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: good at that. Hey, I couldn't throw it, but I'm

803
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: gonna figure out your signals. I'm gonna know your protection adjustments,

804
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: like we're gonna figure this thing out. It might be

805
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: quarter four before I get it, but I'm gonna try.

806
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: I can promise I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna let's do. Let's do most overrated underrated

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Speaker 1: teams and close it out this way. I think Michigan's

809
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: the most overrated in the in the top twenty five.

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00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: They lost not only depth, they lost like leaders. They

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Speaker 1: lost like locker room leaders, you know, fift year seniors.

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00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: They also lost the best quarterback Harballs had who I

813
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: watched him before he got hurt. Meniscus Tear had a

814
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Speaker 1: terrific debut. It's very difficult to lose not only quality starters,

815
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Speaker 1: but veteran quality starters like who who were clubhouse leaders.

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00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: I think Michigan will not be a top twenty team. Overrated,

817
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: I think underrated.

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Speaker 3: I I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think Brian Kelly's gonna figure it out. Jas so good,

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00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: He's so good, and I look at all those teams

821
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Speaker 1: above him, and I'm like, yeah, they're not going to

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00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: beat Georgia, maybe Alabama, Ohio State, but people have them eleventh, twelve, thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, they're better than Utah, and I love Utah.

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Speaker 3: They're better than Utah, though.

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Speaker 1: Utah returns a guy that's I think has been starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback for them for eleven years, Cam Rising. So a

827
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Speaker 1: little underrated, Lsu, a little overrated, a lot overrated Michigan,

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Speaker 1: what say you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good with the Michigan on the same page there.

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00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: My problem with Michigan is I've just heard a lot

831
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Speaker 2: of buzz and it's hard a little bit with that

832
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: place too. All Right, is this real or is it not.

833
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of positive buzz about their offense

834
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: and Alex Orgy and how much he's progressed. And I've

835
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: seen him run. I know he's a superstar with the

836
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: ball in his hands, but I've also only seen him

837
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: throw one pass. I've heard that he's got a monster arm,

838
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: and I tried to watch him in preseason or in

839
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: pregame warm ups every time I've called a Michigan game,

840
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: And when I was on the field, I stood right

841
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: behind him and watched him throw it. I thought Tundle

842
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: threw it pretty good too, by the way, for Michigan,

843
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: so I thought, hey, when JJ leaves, they'll probably going

844
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: to be all right. A quarterback regardless. But I just

845
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: I look at the rest of the top ten. Ohio State,

846
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: They're going to be there, no doubt. So if you're

847
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: going to quantify it as quote overrated, Ohio State's gonna

848
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: be there. George is going to be there there safe bet.

849
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Speaker 2: I think Texas and Oregon are going to be there.

850
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: I think BAM is going to be there. So the

851
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: top five feel very very safe. People have been saying

852
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame look at their schedule, Like Notre Dame, they

853
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: could go nine to three and not be a team

854
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: ranked in the top twenty five.

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Speaker 1: By the way end the year on the road in LA.

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Speaker 1: And Also, I don't know how good Riley Leonard is.

857
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea what he is.

858
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: I know that Mike denbrock th row c though, did

859
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: a pretty good job with Jayden Daniels, whose skill set

860
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: was similar to Riley Leonards when he arrived from Arizona State,

861
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: So I think the development portion of bringing him along.

862
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: Ryley Lembage has been naturally kind of an inaccurate passer

863
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: on the downfield throws that's.

864
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Got to grow his whole career, his whole crazy wild Yeah.

865
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: Still optimistic though that it's in there because I've seen

866
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: the underneath throws. If you can throw the underneath stuff,

867
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: you can throw the intermediates, you can throw the deeps.

868
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: It's just changing an arm, angled changing the shoulders, changing

869
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: the trajectory. All that. I think den Brock will do

870
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: a pretty good job with them. I really do, because

871
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 2: I think it's a comparable player to what they brought

872
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: in with Jayden Daniels, and that obviously worked out very well.

873
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: I can't take him out of the top twenty five though.

874
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: Their schedules too manageable. I mean, the toughest games book

875
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: in the season sc and A and M. And people say, well,

876
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: Florida State. I think Florida State going to South Bend

877
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: is a pretty good spot. People say maybe Louisville, Well,

878
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: you don't think Notre Dames had that one circled. They

879
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: got blown out by Louisville last year at their place,

880
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: so I think I think Notre Dame's appropriately ranked ole Miss.

881
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: If people are not on their bandwagon, it's because they

882
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: aren't familiar with what Lane Kiffin's done. From talent acquisition standpoint.

883
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: They're not overrated, they're appropriately rated. You're just not comfortable

884
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: with seeing them ranked that high. Then you look at

885
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: Penn State, They're going to be rock solid. I am

886
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: worried a little about their offense, but their defense will

887
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: keep them minute. Especially with their schedule they have, They're

888
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. Their schedule's very manageable. In the Pac

889
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: twelve or in the Big ten. I think Missouri, I think,

890
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 2: is the other that I would say maybe slightly over

891
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: our skis there. So Missouri and Michigan the two that

892
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: I'm just not so sure about. Missouri I think it's eleven,

893
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: Michigan at nine as far as underrated. Now you're gonna

894
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: say I'm crazy. I know this. I'm comfortable with this.

895
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: I've been singing the praises all off season. I did

896
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: this last year for a team and ended up working out.

897
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: I love Miami this year, I love Miami the year

898
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: they coming at number nineteen. Now, a lot of people

899
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 2: are going to sit there and say, well, it's Miami.

900
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: We do this every year. You know the same people

901
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: that are saying Matt right now are the same people

902
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: that said, well, why are we building up Texas? Like

903
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: Texas hasn't done anything since two thousand and nine. Why

904
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: are you continuing to say that they're going to be

905
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: good this year because they were on paper. Texas going

906
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: into last year was great. Now it's about allowing it

907
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: to come to fruition. Miami on paper is great now,

908
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: it's just about can they take the next step as

909
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: a program and not beat themselves. This was one of

910
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 2: the best teams in America in the first half of

911
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: the season last year, and they turned the ball over

912
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: against Georgia Tech, give up the big play on the

913
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: fumble and the couple touchdown. You know, then they end

914
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: up that has a huge ripple effect throughout the rest

915
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: of the season. Tyler Van Dyke can't shake the turnover

916
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: woes and he gets benched. Then they give Florida State

917
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: all they want, and then their starter who replaced Van

918
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: Dyke gets hurt. Van Dyke's back in the lineup. I mean,

919
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: it was just it was a disastrous season last year.

920
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: They've upgraded a quarterback with cam Ward. He doesn't turn

921
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: it over. They couldn't score in the red zone with

922
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 2: any regularity last year. Well, what helps in the red

923
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: zone quarterback run game. Cam Ward can run it. They

924
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: went and got the best running back available in the

925
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 2: portal in Damian Martinez and that was kind of a

926
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: revolving door of players last year with three or four

927
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: different guys. We're all solid. None have rushed for twelve

928
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: hundred yards in the season like Damian Martinez did last year.

929
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: The offensive line was a strength last year. It's strength

930
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 2: again to get their top two wide outs back. Defensively,

931
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: they have the best edge defender in the ACC who's

932
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: only going into his sophomore year in ruben Bain. They

933
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: added three more five stars and a couple guys in

934
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: the portal like they are stocked. The one question mark

935
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: is the secondary, and by all accounts, that group is

936
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: playing well above what they anticipated at this point of

937
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: the season. So I think Miami people are gonna be

938
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: I think people are going to look at them and say, well,

939
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: we're just here. We are again. We always pump up

940
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: the blue blotz. I think Miami's extremely capable with the

941
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: personnel they have, and I'd be surprised if they're not

942
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: in the mix in the ACC and ultimately in the

943
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: mix of the playoff.

944
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: Greg McElroy, what a pleasure to see you rushed it.

945
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: You are as thorough and as entertaining and fair, and

946
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing college football can be regional and tribal.

947
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Despite the fact that you live in the South and

948
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: cover uh, you know the sec I've always thought in

949
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: a sport that is often way too regional, you are

950
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: the king of common sense and I just love.

951
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: You, really are.

952
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 2: You know your that means a lot.

953
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: No, you know your stuff.

954
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: You really bring a lot of credibility in my opinion

955
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: to what you do because I have to cover everything.

956
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm a mile wide, you're a mile deep, and your

957
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: knowledge is just supreme. You're really great, and I just

958
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I think I hope the audience enjoyed this as much

959
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: as I did.

960
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: Buddy.

961
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: Well, it's always so great to visit with you, and

962
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: I told you already in the interview. Thank you for

963
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: all you do for college football. It really means a lot.

964
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 2: I don't say that in your tongue in cheek either,

965
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Like you could cover the NFL three hours a day,

966
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: and the fact that you carve out a little slice

967
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: for college football almost every day, it means a lot.

968
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: And you do so much for us in the fall,

969
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: so we appre hit the coverage you give us.

970
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Good seeing you man, Good to see you, buddy the volume.

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