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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to on Purpose, the place where
Speaker 1: we have culturally in acting conversations. I am so grateful
Speaker 1: to each and every one of you that come back
Speaker 1: every week to listen, learn and grow. And you know
Speaker 1: that ever since I was a teenager, I've been captivated
Speaker 1: by people's stories and journeys. I'm fascinated by decisions people make,
Speaker 1: their personalities, their psychology, and today's guest is someone that
Speaker 1: I've been admiring from Afar for such a long time,
Speaker 1: and so to have him in the studio today is
Speaker 1: a true honor and true joy. I love diving into
Speaker 1: the minds of people that define culture, divide culture, direct
Speaker 1: us in different ways, surprise us, and give us the unexpected,
Speaker 1: and today's guest has been doing that ever since his
Speaker 1: career began. I'm talking about the one and only Nick Currios,
Speaker 1: who burst onto the pro tennis scene in twenty twelve
Speaker 1: after a prolific junior tennis career. Since Nick's start, he
Speaker 1: has captivated fans with a larger than life personality, passion
Speaker 1: for the game, and unpredictability. Nick electrifies a tour with
Speaker 1: his near unstoppable serve and powerful forehand. Nick has won
Speaker 1: seven singles titles and four doubles titles in his career,
Speaker 1: but twenty twenty two mark the first time Nick displayed
Speaker 1: his dominance, making it to his first Grand Slam final,
Speaker 1: winning three singles titles and three doubles titles. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, Nick, krrious.
Speaker 2: Nick, what an intro.
Speaker 1: So you had to live it, man, you had to
Speaker 1: do it. I like that. I like, that's probably the
Speaker 1: best intro I've ever had. Really, Oh, that means the
Speaker 1: world to me, Like that, I appreciate that you.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad to be here.
Speaker 1: I was excited. I appreciate them, And when we were
Speaker 1: messaging back and forth for the past couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to this because, as I
Speaker 1: was saying to you earlier, I don't love rules myself,
Speaker 1: and people don't often see me as that. I think
Speaker 1: people see me as someone who follows the rules and
Speaker 1: is thoughtful and mindful, and I actually feel that my
Speaker 1: entire career I've had to go against the trend and
Speaker 1: against the grain, and watching you do it has been
Speaker 1: really exciting and fascinating and sometimes it can be uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to what's that as well? But today we get to
Speaker 1: pull back, we get yeah, we get to dive in.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to start off There's so many things
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. What I'll start off with
Speaker 1: is externally, You've had what looks like a love hate
Speaker 1: relationship with tennis, and at this point you're injured, you've
Speaker 1: been away from the game. I'm intrigued to understand. How
Speaker 1: is your relationship with the game changed when you haven't
Speaker 1: been able to play yet.
Speaker 2: This is a tough one for me because when I
Speaker 2: step away from the sport for so long, I actually
Speaker 2: don't miss it. So that's scary for me. You know,
Speaker 2: most athletes when they get pulled away from their sport
Speaker 2: injury or take time off, they're like really hungry to
Speaker 2: get back. With me. It's like, I've always kind of
Speaker 2: known that life has so many, so many cool things
Speaker 2: about it, you know, and tennis. When we're traveling seven
Speaker 2: eight months a year, I barely see my family, my friends,
Speaker 2: and during this time it's like I get to see you,
Speaker 2: spend time on my partner more, my family, do all
Speaker 2: these things that I've been missing out on, and it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: this my life's amazing now. But you know, I do
Speaker 2: miss playing tennis obedi ever known since I was seven
Speaker 2: years old. My family loves it, you know, all my
Speaker 2: friends you know know me as Nick Kurios tennis player.
Speaker 2: So I do miss it a little bit. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I've I've really enjoyed the time off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to hear that. It's good. Good for
Speaker 1: the honesty, you know, like people people forget that we're human.
Speaker 1: We need to break sometimes. What's your earliest childhood memory
Speaker 1: that you think has defined who you are today.
Speaker 2: Well, I hated tennis when I was young, so you know,
Speaker 2: I was very chubby, overweight as a kid, and my
Speaker 2: mom kind of she was like, Okay, we got to
Speaker 2: get you doing some some some sport or be active.
Speaker 2: So she dragged me down to the local tennis courts
Speaker 2: and I remember I was crying all day, hated it,
Speaker 2: didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I gave it.
Speaker 2: A chance for like, you know, a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: a couple of months, and the coach was like, he's
Speaker 2: picking it up pretty quickly. And then that was I
Speaker 2: guess that was a defining moment because ever since that
Speaker 2: coach said that, it's like my father and my mom
Speaker 2: put everything into tennis, you know, sacrificed. You know, my
Speaker 2: dad and my mom had nothing growing up, and I
Speaker 2: guess they kind of saw me as the person in
Speaker 2: the family to eventually, you know, try and make it
Speaker 2: and help and help them out and help the family out.
Speaker 2: So look, tennis was it was such an interesting journey.
Speaker 2: You know, I never thought I was seventeen eighteen, still
Speaker 2: in school and people were telling me you could really
Speaker 2: do something. I never took myself seriously enough to one
Speaker 2: day be on the tour beating people like Djokovic, a
Speaker 2: dull feder. It was just never in my mind and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it just happened and my life changed.
Speaker 2: It's like I have big imposter syndrome. Like I'm sitting here,
Speaker 2: I watch you in my bed in my house in Canberra.
Speaker 2: I'm watching you, and then now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I'm here having a conversation like that's.
Speaker 1: Just for me. It's crazy or dude, I feel the
Speaker 1: same with you. I'm watching you play all the major
Speaker 1: tournaments and watching you on breakpoint and I still have
Speaker 1: to pinch myself that I get to do this. So
Speaker 1: the feeling is very mutual, and I wanted you to
Speaker 1: know that too, Like and you know a big part
Speaker 1: of that for me watching you is I think, and
Speaker 1: I chose not to introduce you this way, but I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would introduce you as the
Speaker 1: bad boy of tennis. How does that title make you
Speaker 1: feel today?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been high. That's one thing the media has done.
Speaker 2: They've branded me as you know, I don't know, like
Speaker 2: I'm crazy, I'm a bad boy, but my family and
Speaker 2: my closest people know that I'm quite generous, I'm quite caring.
Speaker 1: I'm intellectually switched on.
Speaker 2: I like having deep conversations, and I've I try my
Speaker 2: best to make other people feel comfortable, like I know
Speaker 2: what it's like to be overweight, insecure. Like I love
Speaker 2: when I see kids that are a bit like I
Speaker 2: guess myself at a younger age. I love that I
Speaker 2: go up to them and make them feel Look, if
Speaker 2: I can do it, you can do it. So that's
Speaker 2: been one of the hardest things in my career is
Speaker 2: like everyone I meet thinks that I'm just a bad person.
Speaker 2: I've got crazy temper, but then off the court, it's
Speaker 2: like a complete opposite person. And it's been really really
Speaker 2: hard to shake that, and it's taken years. Like only
Speaker 2: now I feel like people can't understand how I am
Speaker 2: on the court and how I am off the court.
Speaker 2: But it's it's been hard.
Speaker 1: How early did that title set in, Like that idea
Speaker 1: of Nick Curios meltdown again, Nick Curios break breaks a
Speaker 1: racket like whatever, Like how did that set in and
Speaker 1: how did that impact it?
Speaker 2: Probably the first couple of years was on tour and
Speaker 2: that was almost eleven years ago, and it's been an
Speaker 2: uphill battle ever since. You know, everyone thinks that I'm
Speaker 2: that type of person. But it's like I've gone through
Speaker 2: a whole life trying to prove to people that that's
Speaker 2: not me, and it's been really hard, like all the
Speaker 2: media backlash and negativity, all the negativity of my family,
Speaker 2: my partner, Like it's not it hasn't been so easy
Speaker 2: to navigate. But I think getting older and growing through
Speaker 2: it and getting thick skin, I've kind of given up
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, make everyone understand who I am
Speaker 2: because it's exhausting and I don't think it's possible. Everyone's
Speaker 2: going to have their opinions, but it's taken a toll,
Speaker 2: Like I'm definitely a bit tired of being branded that
Speaker 2: And it's sad in a way because people only really
Speaker 2: want to get to meet me, to meet that side
Speaker 2: of me, which is not how I actually am as
Speaker 2: a person.
Speaker 1: How much of it early on was self inflicted versus
Speaker 1: was that just you trying to deal with the pressure
Speaker 1: and the stress, Like why did that? So I've met
Speaker 1: you just now you're smiling You're easy to be around,
Speaker 1: You're chill, You're cool. When we were messaging, I was
Speaker 1: telling my team, I was, so, this guy seems like
Speaker 1: one of the nicest guys. Everything you just said. But
Speaker 1: then when someone watches you on the court or watches
Speaker 1: you in air press interview, you could be intimidating. How
Speaker 1: much of that became a persona you felt you ended
Speaker 1: up playing versus Where did it actually start? Was it
Speaker 1: that you were stressed and there was pressure.
Speaker 2: Or well, I guess yeah, when I'm on court, I
Speaker 2: turned to a different person, like I love competing and
Speaker 2: it's like I hate losing. And I guess even when
Speaker 2: I was a younger kind of kid on the court,
Speaker 2: I always carried my emotions. I would cry on court,
Speaker 2: I would scream, I would just I'd love to compete
Speaker 2: and hate to lose. And I guess I never changed,
Speaker 2: Like whether it's me now, I don't cry on court now,
Speaker 2: but I still am very emotional, and I just it
Speaker 2: just shows how much I care. I feel like it
Speaker 2: was a way for me to outlet the pressure, you know,
Speaker 2: get angry or smash a racket. But the thing is
Speaker 2: tennis can go for.
Speaker 1: Four or five hours. I much to go for four
Speaker 1: five hours and.
Speaker 2: Then for that small snip bit of time twenty seconds,
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, I'm losing my losing my mind.
Speaker 1: And that's all they're showing.
Speaker 2: Like, if you just show thirty minutes of a four
Speaker 2: hour match, then everyone's gonna shoot. That's how he's carrying
Speaker 2: on for four hours. Like the majority of the time,
Speaker 2: I'm well behaved, great competitor, respecting my opponent, and then
Speaker 2: I look, I turn on, you know, say the TV.
Speaker 2: It's just me smashing the rack, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: can't control that. And it's been it's been hard, Like
Speaker 2: most of the time, I am how I am now,
Speaker 2: but it's been a tough one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were saying, I've watched how you talked about
Speaker 1: how it's impacted you. It's impacted how people communicate with
Speaker 1: your girlfriend, like the kind of backlash that you receive. Ye,
Speaker 1: what has been the darkest, hardest period of dealing with that,
Speaker 1: whether it may be a media narrative or fans reaching out,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in twenty nineteen was I've opened up about some
Speaker 2: of the darkest periods of my life, and I just
Speaker 2: it was so assessible all these negative comments. You know,
Speaker 2: you go on your phone now, you open up social media, Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 2: all this, and I just see millions of messages that
Speaker 2: were negative, negative about life, family, like just things that
Speaker 2: I feel like I didn't never really listen to listen to,
Speaker 2: but they just went into the back of my mind
Speaker 2: and subconsciously they're just there. And then when things start happening,
Speaker 2: you're like, maybe they're right. You start doubting yourself, and
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what I fell into. It was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe they are right. And then I started feeling really
Speaker 2: negatively about myself, and I started all these bad habits happening,
Speaker 2: and it was impossible for me to deal with. I
Speaker 2: was nineteen at the time when this all started happening,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't prepared for such a I guess, such
Speaker 2: a hard time. Like I was just enjoying myself. I
Speaker 2: had normal friends, and then I went from being in
Speaker 2: school to now being on the global stage in the spotlight,
Speaker 2: and it was just impossible for me to deal with.
Speaker 2: I never really dealt with it in a healthy way
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about in Breakpoint about drugs, alcohol, isolating yourself.
Speaker 1: You talk about even considering attempting suicide yep. And then
Speaker 1: we hear that you locked into a psych wood, but
Speaker 1: we don't really realize what you went through. They walk
Speaker 1: us through what it felt like to be Nick Kirios
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: It's just a I think about those times and I
Speaker 2: don't necessarily feel sad about him or happy about him.
Speaker 2: It's just that that part of my life is over,
Speaker 2: and it's just a mess. Like I think about that time,
Speaker 2: I just was not thinking clearly. I was drinking every night,
Speaker 2: you know, just at the time, I thought it was
Speaker 2: just fun. But it wasn't fun. It was just self
Speaker 2: inflicted pain. And I had friends around me telling me
Speaker 2: it wasn't healthy, and I ignored them. And then I
Speaker 2: found myself going to a psychiatric ward in London and
Speaker 2: I had to play an adult the next day. And
Speaker 2: these are the things, like everyone would assume that I
Speaker 2: was doing fine. I was answering questions and they told
Speaker 2: me that I should stay in this psychiatric ward for
Speaker 2: two weeks and be reassessed, and I was playing adultin
Speaker 2: next day. It's like I looked at myself. I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't do this. I have to somehow change these
Speaker 2: habits so and I had self harm everywhere. I had
Speaker 2: to wear an arm sleeve on center cord to Wimbledon,
Speaker 2: and no one knew any of these problems. And it
Speaker 2: was hard lock and I just don't know how I
Speaker 2: nack like got out of it, to be honest, I
Speaker 2: was such a mess. And the worst thing was the media.
Speaker 2: I was having decent results during that time, and the
Speaker 2: media was like, Okay, is this a new Nicuros? Is
Speaker 2: this the new Curos? And I was like, this is
Speaker 2: the darkest period.
Speaker 1: Of my life.
Speaker 2: There was a tournament in Mexico Acapulco where I was
Speaker 2: thinking about I was having suicidal thoughts and you know,
Speaker 2: I was just on the balcony of my hotel and
Speaker 2: I was genuinely thinking about it, and my team was like,
Speaker 2: we got to play in ten minutes, ended up going
Speaker 2: out on court, played amazing, won the tournament, and everyone
Speaker 2: globally was thinking, Wow, is this the person that we've
Speaker 2: all been waiting for? When I was really on the
Speaker 2: brink of everything, and that's so scary because no one
Speaker 2: else knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: It was really hard. I mean, that paradox of feeling
Speaker 1: that way and then having to play the biggest games
Speaker 1: and then even winning some of them, but then feeling
Speaker 1: that way when you're off court again. Yep, that sounds
Speaker 1: like one of the most difficult Like just just listen
Speaker 1: to you right now. I'm listening to that going. I
Speaker 1: was just putting myself in that position thing you're sitting
Speaker 1: and standing there at the balcony, like, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what's going through your mind? How did you break through that? Like?
Speaker 1: How did how was that not the end? Because I
Speaker 1: feel there's so many people listening right now who might
Speaker 1: be feeling like you weren't then, and I want you
Speaker 1: to talk to them. I want them to hear you
Speaker 1: right now because I want this to be the mess
Speaker 1: is that they say that got me through it?
Speaker 2: Just everyone. I felt like I was very selfish at
Speaker 2: that time. I was always giving into my feelings, which
Speaker 2: were they were probably valid, but I felt like I
Speaker 2: was playing just based on how I felt. And then
Speaker 2: I looked back at millions of fans that I have
Speaker 2: and that I you know, for instance, there was a
Speaker 2: Make a Wish kid that I met up with a
Speaker 2: week and a half ago. He's probably got six months
Speaker 2: to live. And then I realized that those types of
Speaker 2: people that look up to me and really want me
Speaker 2: to succeed, that's who I started playing for. So family,
Speaker 2: these like kids, the future generation. That's the reason why
Speaker 2: I probably would have retired and probably stopped playing, you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, if I just kept playing
Speaker 2: on how it was feeling. But then I realized I've
Speaker 2: got a whole contingent of fans on why they want
Speaker 2: to see me succeed. So that's why I love playing
Speaker 2: now like I play for them. But that's what got
Speaker 2: me out of it. I started feeling like I've got
Speaker 2: a lot more to give, not for me, like I've
Speaker 2: already proved myself that I can play tennis, but for
Speaker 2: all those people out there, like if I can do it,
Speaker 2: like you look at Jokovic, Feta and a Dull, like
Speaker 2: these people are gods in my eyes, like they're super professional.
Speaker 2: Djokovic takes care of his diet daily. I was not
Speaker 2: doing any of these things and still getting to that level.
Speaker 2: So I think if just the inspiration for other people
Speaker 2: got me out of that, But it was really those
Speaker 2: times up in There are definitely times now where I
Speaker 2: think about those moments, and I guess I still get
Speaker 2: a bit emotional on it. Like Breakpoint obviously showed interviews
Speaker 2: with my sister and my father, my best friend and
Speaker 2: they break down into tears, and that just shows how
Speaker 2: emotional that time was because they could just see me
Speaker 2: spiraling out of control and I hadn't. I didn't think
Speaker 2: it was okay to just step back and not play.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking I had to force myself to get
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, definitely was traumatizing.
Speaker 1: How much did it mean to you that they stood
Speaker 1: by you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I probably owen my life, to be honest,
Speaker 2: you know, they were standing by me through.
Speaker 1: Reckless behavior. And that's what I'm everything. That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like people now I go on social media and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're a waste of talent, or why you're not playing
Speaker 2: or why you're not doing this? And everything I'm doing
Speaker 2: now is just a bonus, Like being here speaking to
Speaker 2: Jay Shetty for me is just that's like a It's
Speaker 2: like all a bonus. Like every day I just don't
Speaker 2: think about the past, I don't think about the future.
Speaker 2: I just live every day, day by day, and I
Speaker 2: just everything I'm doing now is just a bonus. Like
Speaker 2: because I was so so depressed and so sad and
Speaker 2: like I literally wanted to end my life, and now
Speaker 2: just I'm just here and enjoying it. So everything's just
Speaker 2: it's all a bonus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a beautiful way to live.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautiful mindset to live in. Just I
Speaker 1: just stay on my feet.
Speaker 2: I don't think about the past, or I don't I'm
Speaker 2: not a big planner anymore because I just don't know
Speaker 2: anything can be taken away just like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think listening to you, it's so
Speaker 1: interesting right when we have views on athletes, especially where
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, you could have been this, and you
Speaker 1: could have been the next greatest, and you could have
Speaker 1: been whatever it may be. And the challenges you have
Speaker 1: no idea what that person's going through. You have no
Speaker 1: idea what's worrying that person. And I think everyone almost
Speaker 1: projects their own insecurities onto everyone else where. We also
Speaker 1: feel like we have so much potential that never got seen,
Speaker 1: that never got untapped, and to almost live in the
Speaker 1: way you're living now, which is like I'm already living
Speaker 1: in bonus land. I mean I feel like that in
Speaker 1: so many ways in my life where I am able
Speaker 1: to do things today that I couldn't even have imagined
Speaker 1: as a kid. And we can. Actually we have a
Speaker 1: lot in common growing up because I was and I
Speaker 1: heard you say this, and I felt the same way.
Speaker 1: I was a short, brown, fat kid growing up at school,
Speaker 1: and so when you talk about that and breakpoint, I
Speaker 1: felt exactly the same way. Where I was bullied for it,
Speaker 1: I was beaten up for it, I was criticized for it.
Speaker 1: And when I look at my life today, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get to do things that I didn't ever think
Speaker 1: were possible. So I'm already living in bonus world.
Speaker 2: And he's so grateful for.
Speaker 1: It, so grateful for it, so grateful for it beyond
Speaker 1: and whether I reached the potential what people think I
Speaker 1: should do or whether I don't, I'm already living in
Speaker 1: that gratitude with you. When you're playing at the top
Speaker 1: level and there is that feeling. So when you find
Speaker 1: out you're going to make it, you've made it through
Speaker 1: to the final of Wimbledon, walk me through what the
Speaker 1: feeling is when you know I've made it through to
Speaker 1: the final of Wimbledon, which is the biggest stage, the
Speaker 1: biggest moment, You've made it through. What does that feel like?
Speaker 2: I was laughing inside, like I was. I had Novak
Speaker 2: Jocovic behind me, the royal family watching me play, and
Speaker 2: there's like guards there, and I'm just like thinking to myself,
Speaker 2: I don't it shouldn't be me. Like the way that
Speaker 2: everything had panned out, it was like I just thought
Speaker 2: it was all a joke. I was like, this is incredible.
Speaker 2: How am I here in this moment in time? And yeah,
Speaker 2: I was walking out to the court and I just yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like every single thing that I'd gone through, training, family, sacrifice,
Speaker 2: it all. That's the one time my life where everything
Speaker 2: made sense, everything made sense. Every gym session, conditioning session,
Speaker 2: every good meal I decided to eat was all equal
Speaker 2: to that moment in time. And it's like I didn't
Speaker 2: sleep the night before, and then as soon as I
Speaker 2: stepped on.
Speaker 1: Court, all those feelings on a way.
Speaker 2: It was like Okay, now I'm home. And then I
Speaker 2: lost the match, but I played incredible. It was a
Speaker 2: great final. But I just remember seeing the doors open
Speaker 2: reals slowly, and I saw every blade of grass the
Speaker 2: same length, and I just walked out there and it
Speaker 2: was just like home. And then that was it. I
Speaker 2: just I'm not disappointed that I lost the match. Obviously
Speaker 2: I would love to have a wim Wood and crown,
Speaker 2: but it was all bonus, like the fact that I
Speaker 2: was just walking out, Novak's behind me, the royal Family's there,
Speaker 2: like nik Kurios making it that far ridiculous.
Speaker 1: When I hear you speak, you speak like every almost
Speaker 1: like real. It's almost like that childlike feeling of like
Speaker 1: you're still living in that childlike moment or childlike feeling
Speaker 1: of what that would have felt like, where sometimes we
Speaker 1: grow up too soon and we almost can't experience it
Speaker 1: that way. When you just said you saw every blade
Speaker 1: of grasping the same like even that mindfulness like watching
Speaker 1: the doors, the fact that you can visualize it, it
Speaker 1: means you are so present what goes through your mind
Speaker 1: during the game when it's not going your way, like
Speaker 1: what happens when you start losing a point, or when
Speaker 1: you know you could have made something you didn't, like
Speaker 1: what's going through your mind at.
Speaker 2: That time, just competing, like just trying to get the
Speaker 2: best out of myself, Like I guess people when they
Speaker 2: watch me play, like why you get so angry. It's
Speaker 2: like there's millions of dollars on the line, so many
Speaker 2: hours of work put in, and I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: like do the best I can in that moment of time.
Speaker 2: Like people when they say me, I guess getting angry
Speaker 2: or doing whatever, they're like, oh, he doesn't care, Like
Speaker 2: I think I care too much at times on the result.
Speaker 2: And coach has always told me, like, don't care about
Speaker 2: the result too much. But in my life and my experience,
Speaker 2: if you don't win at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here. If I didn't win majority of
Speaker 2: tennis matches, I wouldn't be sitting here. So I know
Speaker 2: the importance of winning. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: guess I just I'm just so involved in every little
Speaker 2: bit of efforts been. I know my family's effort, my
Speaker 2: support crew. I want everyone in my team to feel
Speaker 2: that I care the most. I want to like success
Speaker 2: for all of us. I don't care about just me,
Speaker 2: Like my physio is there, my partner's there, my best friend,
Speaker 2: my agent, like we're all contingent, and that's why I
Speaker 2: guess I love the.
Speaker 1: Team environment a little bit more.
Speaker 2: But tennis is people just think you're on your own
Speaker 2: out there, but it's like there's so much more than
Speaker 2: just me, Like everyone's put so much work in to.
Speaker 1: Get here, So your anger is actually your care exactly.
Speaker 2: I wanted to win Winmoledon, so then like my whole
Speaker 2: team like can share that with me. I don't really care,
Speaker 2: Like I actually don't really care, and I wanted to
Speaker 2: win Winmledon so I could just shut everyone up and
Speaker 2: so I could be just left alone. So if I'm
Speaker 2: at home and I'm actually having a beer or I'm
Speaker 2: just chilling people, just what are you doing, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I want win with it, Like you can't tell me anything.
Speaker 2: You're in like your immortal in that tennis world, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I made the final and people still criticize me.
Speaker 2: I feel like i'd one that maybe it would start.
Speaker 1: So you feel like when you're playing, you're trying to
Speaker 1: win because you feel so many people have invested in you,
Speaker 1: and so many people believe in you, the people that
Speaker 1: you care about, and that you almost want to win.
Speaker 2: For them, Yes, and to shut everyone else up, that
Speaker 2: would be nice.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see you go on and win a few,
Speaker 1: Like I think you have the potential and the ability,
Speaker 1: and you know the mindset to go and do it.
Speaker 1: But when you go and win, you know as well
Speaker 1: as I do that that still won't shut people out.
Speaker 1: I know that you know that I just just false hope.
Speaker 1: I guess what is that false? I walk me through
Speaker 1: that because I think that's real. I think we all
Speaker 1: feel right, this is this is this is the hypothesis.
Speaker 1: We all feel that there's one thing we can do
Speaker 1: that will finally convince people of who we are, and
Speaker 1: we're all waiting in our own way to do that thing.
Speaker 1: For you, it may be a game of tennis for
Speaker 1: someone else, it might be a promotion for someone that
Speaker 1: will be graduating with a particular degree. For me, it
Speaker 1: will be interviewing someone whatever. Like, we all have that
Speaker 1: thing where we think when I do this, then people
Speaker 1: will say I made it. Yeah, why is that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like if people really understood
Speaker 2: my journey, then they wouldn't be so pushy. I think,
Speaker 2: and like if I just sat down with all my
Speaker 2: haters and we had like a nice meal together and
Speaker 2: I gave it my side, sorry, I think they'd have
Speaker 2: a better understanding and they wouldn't be so like, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't criticize or be so like aggressive towards me on
Speaker 2: social media or just in general. So I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe if I do in Wimbledon, and like I was
Speaker 2: so close, and I don't even really love the sport,
Speaker 2: like I'm only doing this because I love taking care
Speaker 2: of my family, my people, and I want to do
Speaker 2: this so I can prove that no matter how much
Speaker 2: more of an underdog you are, you can achieve something
Speaker 2: like winning win. Would it like that's I never thought
Speaker 2: in my mind that I would be capable of doing that,
Speaker 2: And I look, maybe you are right. I know that
Speaker 2: even if I did that, people are going to be like,
Speaker 2: all right, now do it again. And it's just like
Speaker 2: that's I guess that's the rat race of life. You know,
Speaker 2: how much is enough? And I feel like I'm very
Speaker 2: content with my love now. I have more than enough
Speaker 2: to enjoy and so if it was up to me,
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't. I don't really want to play anymore,
Speaker 2: to be honest, but I have to almost I've got
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: More to give.
Speaker 2: But for me, I don't played anymore.
Speaker 1: And that's not your way of taking the pressure.
Speaker 2: No, it's not like I'm exhausted. I'm tired, and you know,
Speaker 2: I have had three surgeries now that I'm only twenty
Speaker 2: eight years old. I always wanted to be able to
Speaker 2: have a family and not be in payment. When I
Speaker 2: get up, I can't walk without pain. So it's it's
Speaker 2: a tough gig. It's tough.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the realness because it's that, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of things that come to mind. The first
Speaker 1: thing that comes to mind for me is always I'm
Speaker 1: a Christiano Ronaldo fan through and through, Like if anyone
Speaker 1: asks me see R seven or Messy, I'm see R
Speaker 1: seven all the way. He's the example for me if
Speaker 1: you can achieve everything and there'll still be fifty percent
Speaker 1: of people who else better. Yeah, someone else is better,
Speaker 1: and not even just better. They think you're not even
Speaker 1: in the conversation, Like there's a fifty percent of people
Speaker 1: who will be like, well, Cer seven doesn't even make
Speaker 1: it into the top two conversation. And it's bizarre that
Speaker 1: you can even feel that way, And so that I
Speaker 1: look at it through that perspective where I'm like, this
Speaker 1: guy's won everything. He's inspired pretty much every next generation
Speaker 1: of football players in the world. Yet there are people
Speaker 1: who have an issue with him and blows my mind.
Speaker 1: And then at the same time what you're talking about
Speaker 1: the reality. I appreciate you saying I'm exhausted. It's hard,
Speaker 1: you know. I remember an interview that Vanessa Bryant did
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant's wife, and she talked about how the only
Speaker 1: thing that got Kobe to play when he was injured
Speaker 1: or having an injury during a game was his love
Speaker 1: for the fans, and he would say that this fan
Speaker 1: paid to see me play, and if I don't play today,
Speaker 1: then that fan may never be able to afford to
Speaker 1: play again, and so I have to play. And so
Speaker 1: he was playing for beyond him. It wasn't I've got
Speaker 1: to play because I've got to win another ring. It's
Speaker 1: really interesting to hear an athlete say I'm tired. It's
Speaker 1: a tough gig. It's hard because I think we almost
Speaker 1: want to believe that the best athletes don't feel that.
Speaker 1: But that's not true. No, it's not true.
Speaker 2: And I guess that period in twenty nineteen kind of
Speaker 2: accelerated my exhort. Like if I had a bit of
Speaker 2: a normal career and I flew under the radar, I
Speaker 2: don't feel i'd feel this way, but those couple of
Speaker 2: years really I think put a lot on my age.
Speaker 2: Like I'm twenty eight, but I feel like I've traveled
Speaker 2: to pretty much every country. I've seen cultures. You know,
Speaker 2: I was traveling to countries when I was thirteen and
Speaker 2: I saw what, you know, poverty was like it really
Speaker 2: opened my eyes. And I guess those couple years accelerated
Speaker 2: my almost pushed me to the end of my career
Speaker 2: a bit earlier because I was just I felt that
Speaker 2: way and I was so eternally hurting that I had
Speaker 2: to play for more than myself. And that's why now
Speaker 2: I do. I'm exhausted. When I train, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: just I don't want people to watch this and say, okay,
Speaker 2: soft or whatever, but it's just like it's just hard.
Speaker 1: Like I am tired.
Speaker 2: I'm tired of playing tennis, like it's more than going out.
Speaker 2: Last year, I had the best year of my career
Speaker 2: and I'm playing in front of millions of people. Stadium
Speaker 2: has packed out, everyone's eyes on me. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm an athlete loves that, but I'm a bit
Speaker 2: to that. I feel like a circus animal a little bit.
Speaker 2: I walk out there and like, oh, we just want
Speaker 2: to see curiously something crazy, Like I'm sick of kind
Speaker 2: of playing that role. I'm sick of playing like I
Speaker 2: have to turn to completely different person and I don't
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: It's exhausting. Do you think when you come back, how
Speaker 1: are you trying to figure out how you'll approach it differently?
Speaker 1: Have you thought about that? Well?
Speaker 2: I think now I've kind of come to peace with
Speaker 2: I only want to play for about another one to
Speaker 2: two years and be at the top and go down
Speaker 2: my own terms, like I would hate to have another
Speaker 2: surgery or anything like that. So I think I've still
Speaker 2: got the ability to have a good one to two
Speaker 2: years and then that's it. I think I'll be at
Speaker 2: peace with everything I've achieved. And you're right, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to just say, look to everyone out there who
Speaker 2: wants me to play more, you're just gonna.
Speaker 1: Have to be okay with me not playing anymore. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: people are trying to figure out whether you'll be playing
Speaker 1: in December. Yeah, you're obviously, like you said, you're in
Speaker 1: pain even when you stand up, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: deal with that anxiety of like people want me to
Speaker 1: play in December. I don't even know if I'll be better.
Speaker 1: Yeat do I enter? How do you?
Speaker 2: It's hard because you know I'm going to the gym,
Speaker 2: I'm doing my rehab. You know, you might have something
Speaker 2: seriously wrong with your body, and it takes time. Like
Speaker 2: I'm only human. I'd love to be like a Novak
Speaker 2: or someone that just is always healthy almost it seems
Speaker 2: that way, but it takes months and months of you know, strength, consistency,
Speaker 2: dealncy to get back to playing tennis at that high
Speaker 2: level again. Like I don't want to get back on
Speaker 2: tour and just play decent. I was competing for Grand Slams,
Speaker 2: so I want to get back to that level, so
Speaker 2: it might take you know, a bit more time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go back a few things when
Speaker 1: you were saying, like if you could take all your
Speaker 1: haters out for dinner and hang with them. So imagine
Speaker 1: we were at dinner, yeap, and all the haters are
Speaker 1: here right now. What do you want them to know
Speaker 1: about you? To understand you deeply? If you could say
Speaker 1: three things to them to understand you more deeply and intently,
Speaker 1: what would you genuinely at the heart want them to
Speaker 1: know If if we had the flaw with them right now.
Speaker 2: I guess I would. I would want to listen to
Speaker 2: them more. I'd be like, why do you dislike me
Speaker 2: so much? Because I feel like, when I'm reading all
Speaker 2: these comments, they really truly don't like me, And I
Speaker 2: feel like I don't dislike anyone that I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like I just think it's ridiculous to have an opinion
Speaker 2: or that person this one. I have no idea who
Speaker 2: they are or how they are, So I would just
Speaker 2: ask them like, why do you dislike me so much?
Speaker 2: And then I would make them open up, and then
Speaker 2: I guess because I think, for instance, I use my
Speaker 2: girlfriend as an example, so my reputation in Australia is
Speaker 2: like Eric, he's crazy, he's volatile, and having those three things.
Speaker 2: When you're meeting a person for the first time, they've
Speaker 2: probably three pretty rough things to like already assume if someone.
Speaker 2: So I had to prove every time I meet someone new,
Speaker 2: I have to kind of prove to them that's not me.
Speaker 2: And so I asked them what was the first three
Speaker 2: things you came to mind? And then she told me
Speaker 2: those three things. And so that's how everyone in the
Speaker 2: world that hasn't met me before assumes I am. And
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty brutal, like how those three things are.
Speaker 1: They're terrible.
Speaker 2: I don't hang around with one person that is arrogant
Speaker 2: or volatile or crazy, so I think, and she just
Speaker 2: spent time, like two times with me, and then she's like,
Speaker 2: you're like completely different to how the media paints you
Speaker 2: out to be. So I guess every hater just thinks
Speaker 2: something like that. I'm assuming, so I would just try
Speaker 2: and prove that I'm not like that, but it's it's
Speaker 2: it's so hard.
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Speaker 1: the better. How did she give you the time of
Speaker 1: day to make you believe that? Because, like you said,
Speaker 1: for a lot of people and you've been together for
Speaker 1: a bit now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two years now coming up.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just bought a mirror off a
Speaker 1: small company.
Speaker 2: It was just excuses, you know, just an excuse of
Speaker 2: how am I going to get her to just give
Speaker 2: me the chance. And I feel like these people that
Speaker 2: hate me or don't like how I go about things,
Speaker 2: they just they won't even give me a chance. They
Speaker 2: won't even listen because they think that I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: And do you think you just you just started playing
Speaker 1: the character at one point like that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that's you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know, money is important. So I knew that that
Speaker 2: Nick could that's the one that everyone wanted. They didn't
Speaker 2: give they didn't care about how I actually was. They
Speaker 2: just wanted that one. Like brands just wanted to work
Speaker 2: with that one. Wow, And that was hard. Like I
Speaker 2: was like every time I do something brand wise earlier
Speaker 2: in my career, I was exhausted.
Speaker 1: I got home.
Speaker 2: I was like, thank God, that's over so I could
Speaker 2: just be myself again, and I'd meet people and they
Speaker 2: would just want that.
Speaker 1: And how did you know that? Were there people in
Speaker 1: your like vicinity like telling you that or like because
Speaker 1: that's fascinating, right, Like the construction of talent is something
Speaker 1: that I think the average person is so separated from.
Speaker 1: Like when I moved to LA five years ago, and
Speaker 1: I coach and work with so many different people in
Speaker 1: different parts of whether it's music, acting, athletes, and you
Speaker 1: start recognizing how their management and their teams want them
Speaker 1: to be a certain persona. Whether it's like you've got
Speaker 1: to show that you're single because otherwise people, you know,
Speaker 1: people won't be into you if if you have a
Speaker 1: long term relationship, or you've got to be this way
Speaker 1: so that this brand will want to work with you.
Speaker 1: How much of that was in your ear? Were you
Speaker 1: hearing things like that or was it more in your
Speaker 1: own mind?
Speaker 2: It was more in my own mind. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: my team now have only ever wanted me to be
Speaker 2: happy and be myself, And I know that that's why
Speaker 2: I keep them around. I have a really small circle.
Speaker 2: But I knew that brands just that I knew that
Speaker 2: they wanted that nick And that's it's sad in a
Speaker 2: way because they don't even want to get to know me,
Speaker 2: like as me as a person, Like we wouldn't even
Speaker 2: sit down and have this conversation with They just wanted
Speaker 2: me to be that the one they see on the
Speaker 2: court like be the entertaining one. And it's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not like that.
Speaker 1: I'm very chilled out.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I feel like most people just
Speaker 2: want to make that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it sells tickets. Of course, gets attention, it
Speaker 1: gets the headlines, it makes a moment out of it.
Speaker 1: When was when was the day where you felt you
Speaker 1: played that character really well? Like when would you say,
Speaker 1: You're like, you know what, that was the best acting
Speaker 1: gig I ever did? Where last year at the US
Speaker 1: Open was good?
Speaker 2: Like Arthur ash Stadium in New York is the biggest
Speaker 2: stadium that we have, and it's crazy. You go in,
Speaker 2: you go to the back and you look up as
Speaker 2: on the plane, it's just like a wall of people
Speaker 2: just like glaring down at you. And that's the cool
Speaker 2: thing about tennis. There's no where to hide, like if
Speaker 2: you're playing it, if having a bad day, you can't
Speaker 2: stub out. There's no one to play your position, so
Speaker 2: you're just there. And I just feel like New York
Speaker 2: and the Americans, I feel extremely at homie. I feel
Speaker 2: like they really do enjoy when you put on a
Speaker 2: show and you do some crazy stuff out there. So
Speaker 2: every time I was stepping out on that court, it
Speaker 2: was like in like five minutes before I was in
Speaker 2: the locker room. I was like, Okay, I gotta be
Speaker 2: more of that nick tonight because I do appreciate the
Speaker 2: love that the American fans do give me. But yeah,
Speaker 2: every match was a bit of a was a bit
Speaker 2: of a show.
Speaker 1: Do you feel differently about different places around the world
Speaker 1: you've traveled? Of course, as a tennis player you travel everywhere.
Speaker 1: How do you feel like when you're in Australia versus
Speaker 1: when you're in the UK versus when you're in the US, Like,
Speaker 1: walk me through the differences you experience as a player
Speaker 1: in the media and everything else. Australia, I hate playing
Speaker 1: in Australia.
Speaker 2: Like that's gonna if you're going to air this, obviously,
Speaker 2: that's gonna people think that. Like most Australians love playing
Speaker 2: in Australia. But there was one kind of moment that
Speaker 2: ruined it for me. I was playing second round of
Speaker 2: the Australian Open. I had some match points, was like
Speaker 2: a four and a half hour match and I'd lost.
Speaker 1: I lost second round.
Speaker 2: I remember getting booed off the court in Melbourne and
Speaker 2: that was one of the worst feelings for me because
Speaker 2: I remember after that match, I was I locked myself
Speaker 2: in the physio room with my physio and there were
Speaker 2: just people knocking it on the door, like I had
Speaker 2: to do media, I had to do this, and I
Speaker 2: was just I turn the lights off, and I was
Speaker 2: just so overwhelmed, like I'd given my absolute all in
Speaker 2: front of my fans for four hours and I lost
Speaker 2: the match and I just got boot off the court.
Speaker 2: And for me, that really ruined. That put a sour
Speaker 2: taste in my mouth playing in Australia. And I know
Speaker 2: now like I've had some great results in Australia and
Speaker 2: they have been behind me, but I don't forget things
Speaker 2: like that. I feel like if I loved someone and
Speaker 2: I understood the effort and the hours I put in,
Speaker 2: I would never do that. I'd never go off one
Speaker 2: of my hometown heroes. So and that's why I guess
Speaker 2: it's affected my relationship with Australia, you know, playing for
Speaker 2: the country. It's because I've been battered in the media there,
Speaker 2: like they've said some horrible things, like there are some
Speaker 2: Australian legends that have told me and my family to
Speaker 2: go back to where we come from, and I just
Speaker 2: don't forget things like that. I've had Layton Hewett call
Speaker 2: me on my phone and say, why don't you want
Speaker 2: to play for the country? Everyone here once you're here,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, but I No other player in
Speaker 2: the in the country has dealt with the backlash or
Speaker 2: the negativity towards their family. Their girlf like me, like
Speaker 2: that that hurt. So I guess playing in Australia for me,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't really like London. I just don't
Speaker 2: fit it there at all. Like Wimbledon, it's a crazy feeling.
Speaker 2: It's like the documentary said, it's like a snowman in
Speaker 2: the desert.
Speaker 1: It literally is.
Speaker 2: I walk around there, everyone's like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 2: wearing like a I could be wearing like an anime shirt.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh the good he's wearing. Everything I do
Speaker 2: there is like under a microscope. And that's a that's
Speaker 2: a cool feeling. I guess Novak would kind of understand
Speaker 2: what that feels like too. Is like the villain, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like no one wants to see you win, no
Speaker 2: one's and you made the finals. Yeah, people like peers
Speaker 2: more and just throwing absolute venom at you. And that's
Speaker 2: why I feel I love playing the US so because
Speaker 2: I feel, wow, this is at home. Like the energy
Speaker 2: is amazing and they bring that energy that I have
Speaker 2: and I love playing there. So Yeah, Australia and England
Speaker 2: are a bit I don't like playing there, but US
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah good, Yeah, I love Asia as well.
Speaker 2: Asia is amazing Asia too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They just think Asia just love entertainment. They love something
Speaker 2: different and they're respectful, you know that. I think they
Speaker 2: get to think that people are different there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I love I love playing Asia as well.
Speaker 1: What would have changed if you were allowed to be
Speaker 1: nice guy Nick from the beginning, like and people perceived
Speaker 1: you as you actually are? Like, how do you think
Speaker 1: that would have impacted your game, your career, the work.
Speaker 2: Well, the first five years of my career, I was
Speaker 2: almost impossible to get any sort of deal with anyone.
Speaker 1: Because they just thought I was volatile, crazy.
Speaker 2: Anyone representing their brand. Where I feel like if they
Speaker 2: knew how I was and actually like a nice guy,
Speaker 2: that would have helped, would have would have made a
Speaker 2: lot more money. I probably would have been more at
Speaker 2: peace with people actually knowing that I was a good guy,
Speaker 2: because for a minute there, I thought the whole world
Speaker 2: thought that I was just a terrible person. I feel
Speaker 2: like it would have helped me. I definitely don't think
Speaker 2: I would have fell into that dark period of my
Speaker 2: life as well. But coversely, I don't want to that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to change that because that makes me
Speaker 2: who I am today. Obviously, I know everyone kind of
Speaker 2: says that, but when I opened up on social media
Speaker 2: about it, the amount of people that now open up
Speaker 2: to me daily. I got people around the world that
Speaker 2: you know, I give them my number, and I've had
Speaker 2: phone calls with people and tried to articulate in a
Speaker 2: way that it's okay, that's completely normal what you're going through,
Speaker 2: but like, please keep reaching out to me, stay in
Speaker 2: touch with me if you.
Speaker 1: Need any help.
Speaker 2: So that's been the most powerful thing in my career
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, is helping others getting
Speaker 2: through rough patches of their life. All the accomplishments, I
Speaker 2: don't actually care about them.
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: I don't. All my people know. I don't ever sit
Speaker 2: there and talk about what I've achieved, like I don't
Speaker 2: really care about it. I think that's all a bit superficial.
Speaker 2: But the platform that I have now is amazing what
Speaker 2: I can do with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. As a professional, we assume
Speaker 1: that complete control is a demonstration of brilliance, when the
Speaker 1: reality is that when you're playing something you love, it's
Speaker 1: natural to be passionate. Yep, And like I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not an athlete, but as in, even if I'm
Speaker 1: playing football with my mates, if I missed a shot
Speaker 1: or missus a penalty, I could take it very seriously.
Speaker 1: And I don't see that's a sign of passion and
Speaker 1: care and enthusiasm and energy. It's not a sign of
Speaker 1: they're not caring or being angry at someone or being
Speaker 1: mad at my mate. It's my mate. He's always going
Speaker 1: to be my O. But in that moment, it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: you should have put that penalty your way, right, And
Speaker 1: but we've tried to make especially in tennis, it's almost
Speaker 1: like there's no space for passion and personality, especially in tennis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very look, it's a it's a white
Speaker 2: privileged sport. So I was again, I was behind the
Speaker 2: eight ball from the get go. You know, I was
Speaker 2: colored had some you know, big personality war the emotion
Speaker 2: of my slafe. So I was always trying to play
Speaker 2: against so many more people than just so who was down.
Speaker 2: Beating the best players in the world is already hard enough,
Speaker 2: you know, the training every day, the diet, the discipline,
Speaker 2: that was already hard. But me, it was like I
Speaker 2: was playing against millions more people every.
Speaker 1: Time I went out in the court.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why I'm a bit more exhausted
Speaker 2: than the average tennis player. Now, when someone goes out there,
Speaker 2: they're not they're just playing against who's down on the
Speaker 2: other end.
Speaker 1: But I was playing against the media.
Speaker 2: I was playing against because I knew that every little
Speaker 2: thing I did was sunder such a microscope, and even
Speaker 2: if I had a flawless match, was like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: how it should be anyway. But then the minute I
Speaker 2: did something bad, it was like, oh, here it is.
Speaker 2: See that's his true colors. I was like, I couldn't win.
Speaker 2: I actually couldn't win. And then if I was well
Speaker 2: behaved and disciplined, it was like, oh no, I was boring.
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, which one do you want?
Speaker 2: And That's how I've always felt like on the tennis
Speaker 2: world that they did. They haven't embraced me, and that's
Speaker 2: why I've got such a big chip on my shoulder
Speaker 2: now with the tennis world, it's like I don't know
Speaker 2: anyone anything anymore. So that's been the biggest It's just
Speaker 2: been a whole contract like walking contradiction of my entire
Speaker 2: my entire career.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot to carry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is, And I think that's why
Speaker 2: I fell into that dark space because I knew that
Speaker 2: I couldn't win no matter what I did.
Speaker 1: I wanted to show you this, Yeah, this one. Take
Speaker 1: a look at that. It's from the Boss Open Still
Speaker 1: Got June twenty twenty three. I believe.
Speaker 2: Don't look happy. Yeah, And I was just oh, this
Speaker 2: was when me coming off my knee injury and I
Speaker 2: had a pretty pretty serious operation and I just knew
Speaker 2: that physically I probably wasn't ready to go. And it's
Speaker 2: hard because even when I don't play or you know,
Speaker 2: even during COVID, the tennis world used me as a
Speaker 2: kind of one of the key marketing points to keep
Speaker 2: I guess the sport afloat whilst during that period, and
Speaker 2: that's been one of the hardest things as well. It's
Speaker 2: like from a sport that's given me so much negativity
Speaker 2: and you know, kind of treated me like an outcast.
Speaker 2: They still as you know, someone that they want to
Speaker 2: you know, put on the front cover for you know, tickets,
Speaker 2: so getting people to be there. So it's like, I
Speaker 2: know that I just get traded so poorly in the
Speaker 2: tennis world. It's like it just honestly, I look at
Speaker 2: that phono, I just look like I'm just spent, like
Speaker 2: I just so must there's just no energy there. And
Speaker 2: it's sad because I'm just in front of a camera
Speaker 2: doing another interview because the tournament needs it. Yet I
Speaker 2: know that if I which I did, go on to
Speaker 2: lose that match, got got hate for it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's hard. It's hard, It really is. Are
Speaker 1: you trying to heal your relationship with tennis and the
Speaker 1: industry like for yourself in the sense of it almost
Speaker 1: feels like you have you carry there's validity to this
Speaker 1: of course, like you carry like a sense of like
Speaker 1: pain and stress and victimhood to the industry because there's
Speaker 1: been so much pain cause to you, is there any
Speaker 1: part of you that's trying to heal that so that
Speaker 1: you're not carrying that bitterness towards the industry.
Speaker 2: I think so much damage been done from I guess
Speaker 2: because when people ask me, like, if you had your
Speaker 2: time again, would you ever pick up a racket? And
Speaker 2: I genuinely have thought about it, and I don't think
Speaker 2: i'd ever play the sport, like I don't think i'd
Speaker 2: ever pick up a tennis rack. And that's such a
Speaker 2: scary thing because it's like my whole life has been
Speaker 2: built off tennis, and if I had this again, like
Speaker 2: to go again, I wouldn't play tennis. And I think
Speaker 2: that's that's so hard and it's so dark, like my
Speaker 2: whole life now revolves around what I've achieved on the court.
Speaker 2: But then if I could do it again, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: ever want to pick up a racket. And that is like,
Speaker 2: and I'm genuinely being honest, like I've had conversations with
Speaker 2: myself about it, but I don't think I can repair
Speaker 2: the damage that I guess the sports brought upon me
Speaker 2: and just anyone, like the amount of stress that has
Speaker 2: put on my family has you can't heal that, Like
Speaker 2: you know, about six months ago, someone came to my
Speaker 2: house with a gun and pointed at my mum to
Speaker 2: steal my car. And I never thought that i'd bring
Speaker 2: that up. Like I live in Australia, in a nice neighborhood,
Speaker 2: like where things like that don't happen, and it's just
Speaker 2: been hard, Like I never thought i'd deal with things
Speaker 2: like that, and like a trauma that my mum has
Speaker 2: now gone through, And yeah, I don't think I can
Speaker 2: repair my relationship with Tennis at all.
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean that's yeah, it's amazing that you've been
Speaker 1: able to kind of take care of yourself and your
Speaker 1: family and figure it out. Because a few years going
Speaker 1: intoview Dennis Rodman, and it was one of the toughest
Speaker 1: interviews I've ever done because he was in a really
Speaker 1: bad place at the time. I don't know him personally,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if he's better now or you know,
Speaker 1: where he's at. But all I remember was that in
Speaker 1: that interview he was like I asked him what his
Speaker 1: purpose in life was and he said, to survive another day.
Speaker 1: That's where he was at, And a lot of it
Speaker 1: was because of how he'd felt treated by the media,
Speaker 1: because he was like, you know, Dennis Rodman was everywhere
Speaker 1: when you know, not only was he successful on the court,
Speaker 1: but off the court, his whole life was documented in
Speaker 1: so many ways and he was the wild card too,
Speaker 1: like in his persona. And it's just fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like until someone crashes or until someone burns,
Speaker 1: we don't realize how heavy media and like, I don't
Speaker 1: think our brains are wired for millions of opinions to
Speaker 1: write about us and our performance and our families and
Speaker 1: our life. And I think the amount of people that
Speaker 1: are now dealing with that today, who are in the
Speaker 1: spotlight constantly has only increased. There are more people in
Speaker 1: the spotlight, and there are more people criticizing people in
Speaker 1: the spotlight. And I don't think we've ever stopped to
Speaker 1: think about and when someone is as honest as you,
Speaker 1: you can only empathize to think, yeah, we don't realize
Speaker 1: the damage we're doing to people, because I don't think
Speaker 1: it's tennis that you're mad at as a sport, the activity,
Speaker 1: it's what comes with it, because what it sounds like
Speaker 1: to me, Yeah, it's not playing tennis, no, because I
Speaker 1: enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I think tennis is a great sport and everyone who
Speaker 2: plays it, I'm like it's I can see how it's enjoyable,
Speaker 2: and it's it's great for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more so.
Speaker 2: I think Kyrie Irving, you know, I love some of
Speaker 2: his stuff because he says, like I don't think people
Speaker 2: understand words can actually hurt someone a lot. And I've
Speaker 2: told I had I've said the exact same thing, like
Speaker 2: fame and social media, it's all man made, like it's
Speaker 2: someone's not supposed to deal, like supposed to wake up
Speaker 2: and then see such negativity feed into their brain constantly
Speaker 2: every day, and like, how how do you expect someone
Speaker 2: to just perform or just survive with that much negativity?
Speaker 2: And I have conversations Obviously you wouldn't understand, but I
Speaker 2: have conversations with some of my friends about it. No
Speaker 2: one can understand that because it's like it's not normal,
Speaker 2: like you're not supposed to see all that negativity, you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to deal with it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I guess I've kind of run
Speaker 1: out of answers or solutions as to how do you
Speaker 1: deal with that?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you can speak to people about it, but
Speaker 2: it's so overwhelming, and how do you stop it? And
Speaker 2: you're right, until someone really crashes and burns. Then you're like,
Speaker 2: I think we push it too far, but that's human nature.
Speaker 2: We all take things for granted and we all don't
Speaker 2: understand our actions until you know there's a reaction. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't like to word it in this
Speaker 2: sense that I'm just surviving. Every day, I'm just surviving,
Speaker 2: but it does feel like that for me, Like that's
Speaker 2: why everything's a bonus. Like if I'm here tomorrow and
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying it, I'm eating Chipotle and I'm going to
Speaker 2: watch a Lakers game or a Clippers game, like that's amazing,
Speaker 2: Like that's awesome. I never thought that I'd still be
Speaker 2: here doing those things. But obviously Dennis just couldn't obviously
Speaker 2: articulate any other way, Like that's how it is. That's
Speaker 2: how it feels like at times, and just a bit
Speaker 2: dark to say it like that, but yeah, but I
Speaker 2: guess that's just what it feels like for me half
Speaker 2: the time as well.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is amazing that you've been able to
Speaker 1: be more upbeat and kind of positive, and I hope
Speaker 1: you keep finding that because just from the few moments
Speaker 1: we spent it, I could tell you like having a
Speaker 1: good time. You're like smiling, you're like laughing, you like,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's a positive energy that surrounds you
Speaker 1: from the moment you walked into my home today. And
Speaker 1: I hope you always hold on to that because you
Speaker 1: have that natural ability to make people feel good and
Speaker 1: have a positive energy. And I hope you never lose
Speaker 1: that because it is seems to be who naturally who
Speaker 1: you are. It's so easy to go down the other track.
Speaker 1: How have you managed though with your relationship too, Like,
Speaker 1: obviously quite public about your relationship, Like, how have you
Speaker 1: managed to maintain that in a positive way as well?
Speaker 1: Because that seems to be a positive part of your life,
Speaker 1: a part of your life. You like sharing a lot
Speaker 1: of part of your life that you're talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: But having a relationship in the spotlight is very challenging.
Speaker 1: So how have you managed to keep that in the
Speaker 1: spotlight but then also keep it positive?
Speaker 2: Well, it's very like that just comes from experience as well.
Speaker 2: I've had relationships prior that you know, were toxic and
Speaker 2: they didn't ended up going well. And I think the
Speaker 2: thing I love about my relationship now have such strong
Speaker 2: boundaries and respect for each other like we don't, and
Speaker 2: with social media and relationships in general, like boundaries can
Speaker 2: be a bit soft. And I think, you know, I
Speaker 2: come from a background where my parents have been together
Speaker 2: for nearly forty years and they're you know, they're still
Speaker 2: they argue and they joke with each other. They get
Speaker 2: each other's nerves, and you know, I spoke to my
Speaker 2: mom about her she goes, patience is the biggest thing
Speaker 2: in a relationship where communication and patience, And I think,
Speaker 2: like my girlfriend's a bit more, a bit younger than
Speaker 2: I am, but we've we've sat down, we've we've set
Speaker 2: our boundaries and respect for each other. And I think
Speaker 2: that's why it works, because we understand that I being
Speaker 2: in the spotlight's brutal. Like for relationships, there's always when
Speaker 2: people trying to tear you down, send a message here
Speaker 2: or there, like even liking a folk, like these types
Speaker 2: of things, and I've now realized that I have to
Speaker 2: be diligent with these things because it's a respect thing.
Speaker 2: Like on social media, I guess that's like who you
Speaker 2: are in today's n age is who you are? Who
Speaker 2: are you on Instagram? Who are you on Twitter? So
Speaker 2: you have to make sure that you're ticking every box
Speaker 2: on those sort of platforms.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like and my girlfriend gets it. She listens
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: If I hadn't have all these experiences, she wouldn't listen.
Speaker 2: So she knows that I've been through a lot, and
Speaker 2: she trusts me as well, so she's very she does listen,
Speaker 2: and we have a great relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the boundaries part is so important. It's so important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like if I always have this example,
Speaker 2: like you know, like if if she was like pregnant
Speaker 2: with my kid and my phone just popped up with
Speaker 2: like you know, girls just like laking my photo and
Speaker 2: stuff like that plays a path and that builds up,
Speaker 2: you know, tension, and then it just explodes. So you know,
Speaker 2: I try and tick every box and make her feel
Speaker 2: comfortable and respected, and especially it's heightened because we're in
Speaker 2: the spotlight so much, so I try and I try
Speaker 2: and do everything I can to make her feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's uh, you know, I think it was.
Speaker 1: I remember my wife and I had been together for
Speaker 1: like three years before. No, we've been together for we'd
Speaker 1: been married for three years and together for six years
Speaker 1: before we did something together publicly on social media. And
Speaker 1: I felt that that was so important for us because
Speaker 1: we'd been together for a while. But then when social
Speaker 1: media started to take off for me and the content
Speaker 1: that I was making, we were just still like finding
Speaker 1: our foundations and like figuring it out. And I can't
Speaker 1: imagine if we would have been active on social media
Speaker 1: together in any way earlier than that for us, because
Speaker 1: I think I was just figuring out what it meant
Speaker 1: for me, then she was figuring out what it meant
Speaker 1: for her. And I feel like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter whether you have a platform or not.
Speaker 1: We're not having those conversations and figuring that out with
Speaker 1: another human being. And even now, even till this day,
Speaker 1: my wife has different priorities on social media and what
Speaker 1: she wants to share than I do, and it comes
Speaker 1: with so many interesting question marks. We had someone asking
Speaker 1: us a question of like, oh, like, well you post
Speaker 1: about your relationship, but she doesn't, like does that mean
Speaker 1: there's an issue? And I was like, no, it's just
Speaker 1: we have different ways, Like I love sharing about relationship,
Speaker 1: she likes keeping it a bit more private. Like that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's an issue. But it's so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Everything gets taken out of context.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most relationships the problems stem from social media.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've got friends that have very healthy
Speaker 2: relationships with different standards on social media, like you said,
Speaker 2: but I feel like to give the relationship the best
Speaker 2: chance of working, you need to see eye to eye
Speaker 2: on those things. Because in my prei relationships, the standards
Speaker 2: on social media weren't the same, and they weren't as
Speaker 2: respective of both sides and it didn't go well. But
Speaker 2: here we see eye to eye, and I think it's
Speaker 2: a crucial part of it because again, social media, what
Speaker 2: is it Like. I didn't grow up with social I
Speaker 2: had a flip phone, and I remember the first time
Speaker 2: when Instagram became a thing, and it was like used
Speaker 2: to share a picture of a flower and stuff. Now
Speaker 2: it's like a whole business. It's like it's just evolving
Speaker 2: and it's changing. So I think you need to have
Speaker 2: It's so important to have these conversations because they Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: it plays a huge part in relationships. It does.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another thing that came up on social media was
Speaker 1: your interaction with Drake. Oh yay, you boosted. Did you
Speaker 1: ever get together?
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is we didn't our beef was.
Speaker 1: So so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Like I was nineteen, and I just said, I came
Speaker 2: out slow, so I'm not gonna listen to Drake. I
Speaker 2: said it jokingly. And then he came out and said, oh,
Speaker 2: who is this guy? I'll chop him down. And I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, you're five, You're like five nine.
Speaker 1: I'm six foot four.
Speaker 2: And then he reached out after Wim Wooden and then
Speaker 2: I went back and I would love to I mean,
Speaker 2: I would love to get him on my stuff, but
Speaker 2: I mean I also respect these guys have so much
Speaker 2: going on, you know, in their life, and if they
Speaker 2: speak to me or send me a message, that's a bonus. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it comes back to all that being a bonus. So
Speaker 2: I do love his music. I'm just gonna say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do I. Yeah, but no, it's funny, but
Speaker 1: that was so that was an old conversation conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's funny. That's funny. No, I mean I think I
Speaker 1: mean watch it. I think you guys did a podcast.
Speaker 1: There would be dope cool. I think it'd be really good.
Speaker 1: Let's put it out there. Yeah, I think that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: That'd be awesome to watch. No, it's I love what
Speaker 1: you keep going back to. Man, I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: I've met so many people who have achieved incredible things,
Speaker 1: but they've lost that childlike view of it. They've lost
Speaker 1: that not that they've lost gratitude, but they've lost that
Speaker 1: feeling of like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this,
Speaker 1: like that feeling of magic. And it feels like you've
Speaker 1: held on to that.
Speaker 2: I think that's the only thing I like. Even just
Speaker 2: driving to your house today, like I was like, this
Speaker 2: is insane, Like I just I love, Yeah, I just love,
Speaker 2: Like I have utmost respect for everything you've created, Like
Speaker 2: you must just look back at your journey and be
Speaker 2: like wow, like this is sick. And I love reminding
Speaker 2: people of like not that they need it, but like
Speaker 2: it feels good when someone comes into you and actually
Speaker 2: is like dude, well done, Like good stuff, because I
Speaker 2: can only imagine how hard you've worked for everything here,
Speaker 2: And like, I feel like the normal person doesn't really
Speaker 2: realize how hard someone has the work to achieve all this.
Speaker 2: You didn't just put your hand into a raffle and
Speaker 2: pull it out and be like Okay, I'm Jay shedding
Speaker 2: out with all this, like and I just love making
Speaker 2: people feel that way. And it's because it's you know,
Speaker 2: we all started from something so small, and I think
Speaker 2: that's so cool and you.
Speaker 1: Still and how you find a way to still let
Speaker 1: yourself feel that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I like making myself feel good. And it's
Speaker 2: not in an arrogant way. It's like, I just think
Speaker 2: I've done some pretty cool things, like you know, whether
Speaker 2: it be on the tennis court or collaborations with people,
Speaker 2: like it's a it's cool. And I think for the
Speaker 2: viewers that are going to watch this, like it's not
Speaker 2: like you just we just started in this position, like
Speaker 2: we were just normal people and we didn't really ask
Speaker 2: for everything that came with it. We're all trying to
Speaker 2: figure it all out.
Speaker 1: What's been your proudest moment off the course.
Speaker 2: I guess anytime I'm with my family and you know
Speaker 2: where having a good dinner together. We might be eating
Speaker 2: at a restaurant and just all together. Just any moment
Speaker 2: like that for me now is the best. I just
Speaker 2: feel like we were because during that period when I
Speaker 2: was really unwell, I didn't talk to my family at all.
Speaker 2: I didn't you know, speak to them. They I gave
Speaker 2: them I've put so much stress on my family and
Speaker 2: now when we meet up and we have a gathering
Speaker 2: and we're all there and we're just having some good laughs.
Speaker 2: Like those are my favorite moments now, Like the simplest
Speaker 2: of things are so make me so happy.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, do you do a lot together? You're in
Speaker 1: the holidays coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got there's so many you know, we have
Speaker 2: the annual Curios Christmas party, like things like this.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Tell me about the Annual Curious Christmas.
Speaker 2: So every year there's like in camera, like three to
Speaker 2: four hundred people come through our house during the night
Speaker 2: and then they're coming and going. There's always a theme,
Speaker 2: like this year it's Gatsby, so everyone's going to be
Speaker 2: in suits, cigars and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's good. Last year was like superheroes and villains.
Speaker 2: Like those types of things now are amazing, Like I
Speaker 2: can't wait to just see all my loved ones, family
Speaker 2: and friends, and that's what I look forward to now.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I guess everything that I achieve is And
Speaker 2: then people like ask me that, they're like, no, you're
Speaker 2: just being humble. It's like now, I genuinely just love
Speaker 2: simple moments like that.
Speaker 1: So good. Yeah, yeah, what you were talking about, you've
Speaker 1: been inspired by the next generation. Walk me through a
Speaker 1: moment you've had with like a young fan or one
Speaker 1: of those moments that you feel like that stays with
Speaker 1: you and that keeps you motivate and keep going.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess my game style is, you know, unorthodox,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm playing crazy shots in crazy moments.
Speaker 2: And when people send me videos of like their young
Speaker 2: kids playing they're trying to hit a tweener or they're
Speaker 2: trying to serve like me, that's cool. I think someone
Speaker 2: that I kind of look up to is like Alan Iverson.
Speaker 2: You look at his basketball game and you look at
Speaker 2: the cultury left. You know, the way he dressed, and
Speaker 2: he's some of his press conferences are hilarious, and I
Speaker 2: think he had his own style and people wanted to
Speaker 2: be him. And I think I'm when it's all said
Speaker 2: and done, there's going to be so many people around
Speaker 2: the world trying to play like me and play the
Speaker 2: shot that they're not supposed to play and because it
Speaker 2: gives him that thrill. So I think I if that
Speaker 2: carries on at the end of my career, that's that's
Speaker 2: something pretty special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very cool. I remember I still remember the
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson reebok I am what I am ad So
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had reb back in Australia
Speaker 1: about them, but in the UK we had these ads
Speaker 1: and it used to just say I am what I
Speaker 1: am and Alan Iverson kicked it off and it stayed
Speaker 1: with me ever since that day, even though you know,
Speaker 1: I maybe never didn't even follow the brand of the
Speaker 1: sport that much, but still it stayed with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like the definition of that, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: just love his press conference so good because he was
Speaker 2: just like a human. He said, like I cried just
Speaker 2: like you guys. You know, I'm not the best every day.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like working, I don't feel like showing up,
Speaker 2: and you expect me to do all these things and
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just normal people.
Speaker 2: Towards athletes or people that you know have a lot
Speaker 2: of things going on, like they just lose a bit
Speaker 2: of compassion towards those people.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, you've mentioned crying a few times. I
Speaker 1: was wondering, when was the last time that you, like,
Speaker 1: really cry to something that really made you grow.
Speaker 2: I probably could have broken down a couple of times
Speaker 2: during some of this conversation, but I tried not to.
Speaker 2: I try to control it a little bit more these days.
Speaker 2: I just feel like I used to cry a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, I've had conversations with my you know, my mom.
Speaker 1: Heaps of people.
Speaker 2: I feel like I can break down so often just
Speaker 2: because things are just so raw and they just have
Speaker 2: It's like a if you pull the wrong string. I
Speaker 2: feel like at any moment in time, I probably could
Speaker 2: get really emotional. But I think we do need to
Speaker 2: be a bit stronger than that at times. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I my dad. I draw a lot of strength from
Speaker 2: my dad. You know, he's he never cries and he's
Speaker 2: always he's like a strong person in our family. So
Speaker 2: I try and look. I looked up to him a
Speaker 2: lot with that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I used to cry a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But do you see do you still see crying
Speaker 1: as a weakness or you've seen it as a good
Speaker 1: outlet as well.
Speaker 2: I mean you're obviously feeling that way for some reason.
Speaker 2: I think it's not good to let it in. It's
Speaker 2: not good to bottle it up. During this conversation, and
Speaker 2: I felt like crying, and because you've touched on things
Speaker 2: that are so emotional, and I think that if I
Speaker 2: don't try and be stronger, then I'm always gonna you know,
Speaker 2: someone's going to watch this, like I don't want them
Speaker 2: to think it's like the only way is to open
Speaker 2: up and cry out that you can be strong about things.
Speaker 2: And I still feel like crying, of course I do,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I need to be a bit
Speaker 2: stronger than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting I like that kind of nuance because,
Speaker 1: of course I believe it's healthy to cry. I think
Speaker 1: it's necessary to cry sometimes when you feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I agree with you that
Speaker 1: the ability to know you feel like crying, but keeping
Speaker 1: it together not for performance or not for the sake
Speaker 1: of how other people feel, but you're almost strengthening your
Speaker 1: ability to deal with an emotion is an interesting nuance
Speaker 1: because I feel like the world used to tell men
Speaker 1: like you can't cry, and then it became like you
Speaker 1: should cry, yeah, and then and then there's like this
Speaker 1: in between, which is the reality of like I can
Speaker 1: relate to what you just said, right, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: like crying sometimes I think is important, but then there's
Speaker 1: sometimes where I'm like, no, Actually, I want to be
Speaker 1: able to hold myself, like I just gave a It
Speaker 1: was my sister's wedding like two months go, and I
Speaker 1: didn't anticipate how emotional it was going to be. So
Speaker 1: my sister's like five years younger than me. She's been
Speaker 1: my baby ever since you grew up. She was a
Speaker 1: little kid for me. She's short as well. She's short
Speaker 1: on me, so it's like she's literally like a child.
Speaker 1: And I knew her wedding was coming up and all
Speaker 1: the rest of it.
Speaker 2: You prepped yourself for it.
Speaker 1: I kind of prepped myself, but I didn't realize how
Speaker 1: emotional was going to be. And Indian weddings are like huge.
Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got. I got a guy.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be watching this shore he told me about
Speaker 2: He sent me all the videos.
Speaker 1: Nuts. You guys are crazy. It's crazy. So it was
Speaker 1: five events over seven days, and every event has like
Speaker 1: three hundred people out and so we had there and
Speaker 1: I was more emotionally drained after that week than I
Speaker 1: am for my whole year of giving and helping and
Speaker 1: everything that I do. That was the most emotionally moving
Speaker 1: week in my entire life, and I walked my sister
Speaker 1: down the aisle, and if you watch the video, I'm
Speaker 1: literally trying and I'm doing what you just said you
Speaker 1: had to do. I just had to hold back because
Speaker 1: I knew if I cry and she sees me cry,
Speaker 1: then she's going to cry. Then her makeup's going to
Speaker 1: go mad. Then she's going to be mad at me
Speaker 1: later that I made her cry on her wedding day
Speaker 1: and so I'm holding it back. And then my wife
Speaker 1: thought about it. Had she told her, she goes, don't
Speaker 1: look at him during the wedding ceremony because he's going
Speaker 1: to be crying. And so my sister avoided eye contact
Speaker 1: with the whold ceremony because the whole time I was crying.
Speaker 1: And it was just fascinating to me because I've probably
Speaker 1: not cried that much ever in my life. But there
Speaker 1: were times when I had to hold back for her sake,
Speaker 1: and there were times when I let it out. And
Speaker 1: I like that you brought that up, because I do
Speaker 1: think that we've gone from one extreme to the other
Speaker 1: extreme of men never cried to men should cry all
Speaker 1: the time to figure out that healthy balance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's with anything like you get injured
Speaker 2: you break a bone, it heals, you get stronger. So
Speaker 2: it's not to say that you shouldn't acknowledge the pain
Speaker 2: or acknowledge crying, but trying to stay strong through those moments,
Speaker 2: I think is just as important of realizing, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: hurt and those it touchy topics. But how are you
Speaker 2: going to every time someone brings it up you're just
Speaker 2: going to cry, or you're going to be able to
Speaker 2: talk about and educate other people that are going through
Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, I think you've got to be.
Speaker 1: A beacon and just yeah, hold it together a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's your days looking like right now? Like now that
Speaker 1: you're in your element, you're having a good time, things
Speaker 1: are opening up, you're doing new creative endeavors. What does
Speaker 1: your day look like right now and what you're loving
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my team comes with me for these opportunities,
Speaker 2: and obviously, like you know, I kind of it's all
Speaker 2: insane the fact that I have these options now, and
Speaker 2: so obviously training is a big part of my day still,
Speaker 2: you know. Obviously rehabbing through you know, surgeries and just
Speaker 2: maintaining that strength whilst you're not playing is a big thing.
Speaker 2: You can get pretty, you know, relaxed with it, and
Speaker 2: you can lose years of work in a couple of months.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm trying to stay on top of that.
Speaker 2: And then with doing all these things I've I just
Speaker 2: got a new passion because I love communicating with people,
Speaker 2: I love learning about people, and I love helping. I
Speaker 2: just love entertaining, giving the audience something different than what
Speaker 2: they've seen from me the last ten years. So just
Speaker 2: all these types of things, training, you know, seeing the
Speaker 2: world with my girlfriend is I know that we're extremely blessed.
Speaker 2: You know, ninety five percent of relationships you don't get
Speaker 2: to travel, you don't get to do the world like
Speaker 2: we get to do it. So I know that I'm
Speaker 2: extremely blessed in that department. And a little one percent
Speaker 2: of NBA games I love pass So yeah, I've been watching. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm watching. We might be going tonight at the game too, Oice,
Speaker 2: who's your tea? I'm a Boston Celtic fan. So being
Speaker 2: in la is tough.
Speaker 1: What's been the best country you visit to do? Your
Speaker 1: favorite place that you visited, maybe with your girlfriend, even
Speaker 1: on your own. That that's kind of like left to
Speaker 1: Mark Well.
Speaker 2: Austra is the best place in the world. I'm just
Speaker 2: going to say that it is. Every person that goes.
Speaker 1: I love going just I had the best time my
Speaker 1: whole tour. I had so much fun in Australia. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. Australi is the best place in the world.
Speaker 1: I love the States personally just because of the sport.
Speaker 1: You guys are sport here like nothing else. But my
Speaker 1: mum is half Malaysian. I'm a half Malayian. My mum's Malaysian.
Speaker 1: So every time I go to Malaysia or you know,
Speaker 1: any age country, I love the food. Like you know,
Speaker 1: my mom cooks. I'm not just saying this. My mom
Speaker 1: is honestly be one of the best cooks in the world.
Speaker 1: And I've grown up with such a good food background.
Speaker 1: So I love I could live in Asia hands down,
Speaker 1: but the state's probably someone there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm half Greek. Europe's nice, but Australia is
Speaker 2: the best place in the world. It's the best place.
Speaker 1: Where in Australia. If someone had to visit, where should
Speaker 1: they go?
Speaker 2: I mean, I come from Canberra and everyone from Australia, thanks.
Speaker 2: Camera is not a very good place, but I love
Speaker 2: the simplicity of camera like it's a very I love
Speaker 2: coffee like, I love the cafe scene. I love just chilling.
Speaker 2: But Sydney, Melbourne or even gold Coaches of that beautiful
Speaker 2: places just such a good lifestyle. They're so safe and
Speaker 2: you can just do whatever you need to do in Sydney,
Speaker 2: I mean Australia in general.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I need to go back. I went
Speaker 1: for work and I alway feel like when you go
Speaker 1: for work, it's different, definitely, of course. And so I
Speaker 1: was like I was telling my wife, I was like,
Speaker 1: we have to go back and just experience it, and
Speaker 1: I have to come to you for a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a couple of good spots. A couple
Speaker 2: of good spots.
Speaker 1: What would you say now, if there's anything keeps you
Speaker 1: up at nights to it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I lost my I lost my grandma when I
Speaker 2: was about nineteen, after I first broke onto the scene,
Speaker 2: and she was like my best friend through my childhood
Speaker 2: like my mom, and my mom was always working. I
Speaker 2: didn't get to see much of my mom. Like my
Speaker 2: grandma picked me up from school, dropped me into trainings,
Speaker 2: we slept in the same room together, We had bunk beds,
Speaker 2: like we were like best friends, and she kind of
Speaker 2: passed away when things started getting a bit crazy for
Speaker 2: me in my career, like media, and you know, I
Speaker 2: probably didn't spend as enough time with her that I
Speaker 2: would have liked. And I think back to when you know,
Speaker 2: we she was in a nursing home towards the end
Speaker 2: of her life, and I feel like that kind of
Speaker 2: really bothers me. I feel like tennis took time away,
Speaker 2: not tennis itself, like you said, the sport, just everything
Speaker 2: that came with it took special time away that I
Speaker 2: should have had with her. And I was so young,
Speaker 2: a naive to say to these people now, I don't
Speaker 2: want to do it. Like it was like the time
Speaker 2: where you know, money was coming in from my family,
Speaker 2: I was changing my entire family's life.
Speaker 1: So I felt like that that.
Speaker 2: Sits with me, and it's painful because she was my
Speaker 2: best friend and she I guess she maybe understood it,
Speaker 2: and maybe she didn't. So I feel like if I
Speaker 2: could spend some more time with her instead of doing
Speaker 2: media or on an interview or business or something like that,
Speaker 2: I guess I wish I could have more time with her.
Speaker 2: But hopefully she's up there watching and pro out of
Speaker 2: everything that I'm doing now. And yeah, I guess that
Speaker 2: I think about that, you know, all the time.
Speaker 1: That's that's a tough one when you can't do anything
Speaker 1: about it now, can't change it. Yeah, you can't change it.
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that are, like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: tough thinking you could have done one and you're so
Speaker 1: young too, and like your career is taking off, like
Speaker 1: it's so forgivable in that sense, Like you know, it's
Speaker 1: how would you know at nineteen what to prioritize and
Speaker 1: what to focus on? And you live in the dream
Speaker 1: in one sense, and like you said, you're changing your
Speaker 1: family's life. It's it's hard. It's hard to deal with that.
Speaker 1: And I guess would you say, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: that's a regret though it sounds like it's something that's
Speaker 1: kind of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I used to think it was like
Speaker 2: I used to really be upset about it, and I
Speaker 2: was regretful of doing everything that came with it. I
Speaker 2: was like I hated Tennis, I hated everything that came
Speaker 2: around it because I was like I just kind of
Speaker 2: I didn't leave her, but I kind of just didn't
Speaker 2: spend as much time as I used to spend with her.
Speaker 1: So now I've come to understand it.
Speaker 2: Like I was young, I didn't I wasn't educated on
Speaker 2: you know, these things that I had to be doing.
Speaker 2: So I guess I've been a bit nicer to myself
Speaker 2: on that on that topic, but I still think about it,
Speaker 2: like I unfairly think about it at nighttime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. It's amazing how the mind works, right,
Speaker 1: Like you can literally avoid something the whole day, yep,
Speaker 1: and somehow at times back it comes back and it
Speaker 1: just like almost like on clockwork, like on time. Yep.
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating. How you have you found a way
Speaker 1: of switching those talks off.
Speaker 2: I guess I just realized now that that's just more
Speaker 2: love and more time that I wanted with her. So
Speaker 2: I'll try and look at it as a positive. Like
Speaker 2: why am I always thinking about this moment? Why is
Speaker 2: it always coming up? It's just because she meant a
Speaker 2: lot to me, and that's you know, I have so
Speaker 2: much more stuff that I wish I could just sit
Speaker 2: down with her now and speak about everything that's been
Speaker 2: going on, and you know, she would love it. She
Speaker 2: was the ultimate jokes through in our family she had.
Speaker 2: She was just a free spirit, and I feel like
Speaker 2: that's where I get some of my personality from on
Speaker 2: the court. So if I could just sit down with
Speaker 2: her now and just chat about things would be amazing.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's what I just try and turn
Speaker 2: it into a positive. Like she I just got so much
Speaker 2: stuff that I want to talk to her about. And
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, if she was here during that
Speaker 2: dark time, I don't I think I would have got
Speaker 2: through it a lot easier. But yeah, I guess I
Speaker 2: just turned into a positive.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's also you've said that, you know, after the
Speaker 1: Wimbledon game with Djokovic, you felt like you could have
Speaker 1: won it, and there was a feeling like, yep, you
Speaker 1: could have done that, that could have been it. How
Speaker 1: much does that play on your mind a lot?
Speaker 2: That I was two sets away from winning Wimwood and
Speaker 2: you know, if I've played anyone else on planet that day,
Speaker 2: I felt like I would have won. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean now I'm at peace with it. But for the
Speaker 2: three to four months after that was like an every
Speaker 2: day was like not a nighttime thing. It was like
Speaker 2: what could I have done differently? Every time I was
Speaker 2: in the gym, every time I was on court, Like,
Speaker 2: why didn't I you know, that was my opportunity, Why
Speaker 2: didn't I just grab it? But now I understand, Like
Speaker 2: the more he achieves now, the more I'm nice. I'm like, Okay, no,
Speaker 2: everyone's trying to still figure this out. But yeah, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: more than nine nine percent of the world hasn't figured
Speaker 2: out how to beat him on a consistent basis.
Speaker 1: So I can't be too angry about it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that. That's a good mindset. Yeah, but it's so interesting, right,
Speaker 1: Like I can totally empathize with that idea of how
Speaker 1: you can be so harsh and heavy on yourself like
Speaker 1: three to four months because you can overanalyze. How have
Speaker 1: you mastered the art of limiting over analysis or what
Speaker 1: have you learned about stopping over analysis to the point
Speaker 1: that it becomes a weakness.
Speaker 2: Well, Tennis is a sport where you have to be
Speaker 2: a good loser because every week you're you're losing. Unless
Speaker 2: you're one of these top guys who is winning consecutive tournaments,
Speaker 2: you're experiencing a loss every week, and you just have
Speaker 2: to pick yourself up and go again. In a different country,
Speaker 2: different surface, different time zone, So you just have to
Speaker 2: just be really good at understanding what you've done wrong,
Speaker 2: moving on and just going again, because one week, one
Speaker 2: to two weeks in tennis can change your life. You
Speaker 2: can have thirty bad weeks in a row. The minute
Speaker 2: you have one really good result, things change for you.
Speaker 2: So you have to That's what I love about tennis.
Speaker 2: You have to learn to bounce back quickly, and I
Speaker 2: think it's that's a life lesson, Like you're going to
Speaker 2: experience ups and downs. Things are going to be horrific
Speaker 2: for a couple of months, they might be great, So
Speaker 2: it's like riding the wave and being kind of equal
Speaker 2: through everything and just backing up and going again. Consistencies.
Speaker 2: You learn that from tennis so early on, which is cool.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, well, other sports.
Speaker 2: You have an off season, so you have like a
Speaker 2: period of time to say, well, what do I need
Speaker 2: to get better? I can get stronger. With tennis, there's
Speaker 2: no off seat. It's like every week there's a new tournament,
Speaker 2: so you can't be too down when you lose, and
Speaker 2: then when you win, it's like, but you're playing tomorrow,
Speaker 2: so you've got to just start again.
Speaker 1: What's something in life that you've had to learn the
Speaker 1: hard way? Mmmm? That's hard. Yeah, take your time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me ask you that question.
Speaker 1: What's something I've had to learn the hard way? There's
Speaker 1: a hard question, So let me take a second. Two,
Speaker 1: That no one's coming to save me, That no one,
Speaker 1: no one magic person is going to discover my abilities,
Speaker 1: my qualities and help me become the best version of myself.
Speaker 1: That there's not going to be one person who just
Speaker 1: activates it all, activates it all and makes it easier
Speaker 1: and shows me the path and clears all that you know,
Speaker 1: clears all the obstacles and says, Jay, just walk this way.
Speaker 2: And like when you put something in iPhone maps and
Speaker 2: it tells you which.
Speaker 1: Direction exactly, like someone who's going to come and show
Speaker 1: you the map of life. And no matter how much
Speaker 1: someone cares or doesn't care, it's that's not there. And
Speaker 1: I think i've I think I just had this inbuilt
Speaker 1: belief since I was young that someone else was going
Speaker 1: to discover me and help me. And it was only
Speaker 1: when I realized that that person was me that life
Speaker 1: became easier. But it took me a long time to
Speaker 1: learn that, and you know they talk about it in dating,
Speaker 1: especially for the way women were raised. But it's called
Speaker 1: the Disney Princess syndrome, this idea of like how Disney
Speaker 1: made young women believe that one day, your night in
Speaker 1: shining armor will come and save you and there'll be
Speaker 1: this perfect guy who has everything figured out, and you'll
Speaker 1: kiss a frog and he'll become a prince and all
Speaker 1: these ideas, and I think we all carry that in
Speaker 1: some ways. So I think that's been really hard for me.
Speaker 1: And I think the other one was what we were talking
Speaker 1: about earlier, Like, I think something I've had to learn
Speaker 1: the hard way is I deeply believed that when I
Speaker 1: achieve a certain level of success that everyone will like
Speaker 1: me yeap, Or that when I make it to this
Speaker 1: level that everyone will recognize my struggle and my pain
Speaker 1: and everyone will acknowledge how hard I've worked. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess that's probably been my biggest one.
Speaker 2: Like I wish people like when I meet new people
Speaker 2: that they just like how I am with people that
Speaker 2: have achieved things. I'm so grateful. I'm so like proud
Speaker 2: of them in a way, and I don't even know
Speaker 2: these people, but I'm like, Wow, you must have worked
Speaker 2: with hard Like if that for me is like I
Speaker 2: wish people would give me more, just made me a
Speaker 2: little bit more credit from time time, you know, just
Speaker 2: of some of the things that it's been hard. It
Speaker 2: hasn't been like an easy journey at all for me
Speaker 2: and for I'm sure anyone in a position of achieving things,
Speaker 2: it's been so hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that could be anything, right, Like I think
Speaker 1: we're talking about every everyone, Like anyone. If you're someone
Speaker 1: who's just figuring out how to pay the bills for
Speaker 1: your family or you're taking.
Speaker 2: Care of you, you have a little pat on the back,
Speaker 2: you deserve to sit down and may be made to
Speaker 2: feel good a little bit about things, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it's almost weird because we think of
Speaker 1: that as cheesy. Yeah, and we think of that as
Speaker 1: like I'll get over it, you know. Just but I
Speaker 1: feel like we all need. Me and my friend talk
Speaker 1: about my best man at my wedding though, my best mate.
Speaker 1: We talk about this a lot about how we all
Speaker 1: need a sense of acknowledgment and recognition for what we're doing.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the time that scene is like
Speaker 1: soft or it's scene as like, oh you shouldn't need that, like,
Speaker 1: get over it.
Speaker 2: I think it's motivating, Like, I think it makes you
Speaker 2: want to achieve more when people recognize, Okay, you're doing
Speaker 2: really well, you're on the right track, keep going. It's
Speaker 2: not like it's not arrogant. I think to just sit
Speaker 2: down and recognize that I've come a long way, I'm
Speaker 2: on the right track, and what I'm doing is very special.
Speaker 2: I think that could be motivating in a way rather
Speaker 2: than seen as like soft or why do you need
Speaker 2: credit for that? Like it's like you're not doing things
Speaker 2: that every single person is doing. Like that you're doing
Speaker 2: obviously something about you is special, your your you know
Speaker 2: your details, or you're ticking everything off the box, like
Speaker 2: that's you shouldn't need acknowledgment for that.
Speaker 1: What's is there? Is there a moment that you wish
Speaker 1: you'd act differently in a press conference or in a game,
Speaker 1: a moment where you look back and think, you know what,
Speaker 1: actually I'm better than that, and I'm such a I'm
Speaker 1: a nice guy. That's not me. That was so far
Speaker 1: from who I am that I actually don't feel good
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had so many moments like that. I mean
Speaker 2: I could go on YouTube now, and I guess the
Speaker 2: thing about tennis is when you finish a match, you
Speaker 2: only you have to do media like so soon to
Speaker 2: when finishing, so you haven't had time to digest any
Speaker 2: sort of emotions. So you go in there. And the
Speaker 2: thing about it now with me, I walk into a
Speaker 2: room with about fifty people already to attack me. They're
Speaker 2: not actually going to ask me about, oh, how did
Speaker 2: the match play out. They're going to just nitpick and
Speaker 2: come at me in an aggressive way. And I haven't
Speaker 2: had time to digest. I haven't even eaten after four
Speaker 2: hours sometimes and then when I did that time one
Speaker 2: Piers Morgan, he's like, this guy's so rude, he's such
Speaker 2: so disrespectable. I played for four and a half hours.
Speaker 2: I needed to eat some food because for my nutrition
Speaker 2: and my preparation. So it's like I walk in there
Speaker 2: and I have had no time to digest. I haven't
Speaker 2: and then these people are just going at me, and
Speaker 2: then I retaliate, and for me, oh, I'm not that
Speaker 2: that's fine.
Speaker 1: You should be able to retaliate. But then I look
Speaker 1: back at all the people that are watching this kids,
Speaker 1: and they see I could be disrespectful to someone that
Speaker 1: I don't even want to be that, but in that moment,
Speaker 1: I just haven't had any time to just reflect on
Speaker 1: what's just happened.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, yeah, I do. I do regret
Speaker 2: sometimes on how I've acted on the tennis cord and
Speaker 2: the press conference, because it's it's not that version of
Speaker 2: Nick Curios that I want people to, like millions of
Speaker 2: people to watch and say, oh, that's how he is.
Speaker 1: What a prick, you know what I mean. But that's
Speaker 1: not me.
Speaker 2: And Australians in general we have a bit of that
Speaker 2: like where if you come at us, we'll retaliate in
Speaker 2: a way of, you know, will make you feel it too.
Speaker 2: And I guess that my upbringing, where you know, the
Speaker 2: bullying and stuff, I've always had that chip or shoulder
Speaker 2: where I'm in that position to give it.
Speaker 1: I'll give it a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't feel proud of making other people feel bad,
Speaker 2: and I think it's just more of a retaliation of
Speaker 2: I know how much it hurts, so now I'm going
Speaker 2: to give it back to you a little bit. And
Speaker 2: that's not that's not a good thing to do, especially after,
Speaker 2: you know, in a press conference where millions of people
Speaker 2: are going to see it.
Speaker 1: Ye see, I definitely have some regrets with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when it's not you, it's not me. I think
Speaker 1: that's I think that's the hardest part, right, Like, when
Speaker 1: something is you, there's a certain understanding that you have
Speaker 1: with it. But when you feel like that's not me,
Speaker 1: like I can empathize with that, Like if in any
Speaker 1: conversation or anything that I've done more offline where I've
Speaker 1: not acted like myself. It's almost the hardest thing in
Speaker 1: the world because I'm like, God, now I've shown someone
Speaker 1: aside of me that's not.
Speaker 2: Me exactly, and then they run with it. They're like,
Speaker 2: look how he is. Yeah, and I'm like, that was
Speaker 2: like a ten minute press conference, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: even at all of what I actually what's the kind
Speaker 2: of person I am at all? So, Yeah, that's been
Speaker 2: that's been hard.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting, by the way, it is interesting to
Speaker 1: understand the context of your playing for four and a
Speaker 1: half hours, you haven't eaten, Like it's good to know, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like the human side of like if you're
Speaker 1: watching a press conference, you're not thinking it through that deeply.
Speaker 2: No, you're not.
Speaker 1: You're just like, Oh, this guy's just come off the
Speaker 1: court like whatever. You know, it's what we do. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I'm like, yeah, if I was hungry
Speaker 1: for four and a half hours and I'm just played
Speaker 1: and I get asked a question that annoys me, I
Speaker 1: can imagine retaliating too and being defensive.
Speaker 2: Like exactly is if the player had you know, if
Speaker 2: you came back into the tennis courts next day and
Speaker 2: had a whole night to reflect on the match, moments
Speaker 2: where you were great, moments where you weren't, you could
Speaker 2: just speak calmer about situations like when couples have a fight.
Speaker 2: Sometimes having figuring it out then and there is not
Speaker 2: the best thing. You know, you need some time away,
Speaker 2: you need to reflect, you need to have a conversation
Speaker 2: and come back and when you're both karma like rather
Speaker 2: than when the emotions are high and he just turns
Speaker 2: into an absolute explosion. So yeah, I mean that's the
Speaker 2: same thing. Yeah, And you're not walking I'm not walking
Speaker 2: into a room where they're empathetic that I lost.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh why do you lose? For why?
Speaker 2: Jack?
Speaker 1: Like this, It's like, okay, you're attacking me. Now I'm
Speaker 1: going to go back at you and then yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's the trap it is, that's the articles in
Speaker 1: the headlines they want, it's the game they want to Yeah,
Speaker 1: who is that? Who is the basketball player who had
Speaker 1: a really good response? Was it Yannis? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And he's like, do you you know if you don't
Speaker 2: get a promotion, do you see that as a bad year?
Speaker 1: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Everything is building? You know, losing is not always seen
Speaker 2: as a failure. Why is that?
Speaker 1: So? Yeah? I agree, No, it was. What is the joy?
Speaker 1: Tell me? Tell me how it feels to break a rackular?
Speaker 1: How how does that feel? It does feel good? It
Speaker 1: does feel good. It does feel good sometimes it feels good.
Speaker 1: When does it? When does it feel good? And when
Speaker 1: does it not feel good?
Speaker 2: I guess it doesn't feel good when I know it's
Speaker 2: detrimental to what's going on. If look, when I know
Speaker 2: when I get to that level of anger, I know
Speaker 2: that it's not helping me. But sometimes you know, if
Speaker 2: I've lost the match and you know that the match
Speaker 2: is over, and I go to my bag and I
Speaker 2: see it there, and I know that I've got all
Speaker 2: this anger built up, and I let loose.
Speaker 1: It does feel good.
Speaker 2: The timing of doing those things can help your performance
Speaker 2: or you know, because sometimes I've seen in my experience,
Speaker 2: but other athletes like Jokovic and Serena William all these
Speaker 2: legends of broken rackets. But the response after that's the
Speaker 2: key component. And sometimes you need to let off the
Speaker 2: steam because you're expecting.
Speaker 1: More from yourself.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the response if you're going to
Speaker 2: come back with energy and you know, say I did that,
Speaker 2: now it's time to reset, that it can actually help
Speaker 2: you in a way.
Speaker 1: Walk us through the balance of when anger is helpful
Speaker 1: versus when it becomes destructive where you found it, Because.
Speaker 2: I've been angry where I've broken rackets and then I
Speaker 2: become you know, smart us with the umpire and then
Speaker 2: I'm actually not concentrating on what I need to do
Speaker 2: to win the match. It's like I'm more pissed off
Speaker 2: at myself and more pissed off at the umpire. Where
Speaker 2: I've had times where if I break a racket and
Speaker 2: you know, I walk back to my bag and I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, here we go. You've you've done that. Now
Speaker 2: you know it's time to reset. We're not playing well,
Speaker 2: But now how are we going to change that. So
Speaker 2: I feel like the discipline of doing and these great
Speaker 2: players have shown that and they start playing better and
Speaker 2: they end up winning the match.
Speaker 1: So it's hard because you don't want to make.
Speaker 2: It seem like a violent act because then kids are
Speaker 2: gonna be like, all, k to throw rackets, It's okay
Speaker 2: to But that's why I think the response after that's
Speaker 2: more important. It's like, he did that, but then he
Speaker 2: started playing unbelievable, so something must have clicked in his
Speaker 2: head after he did that. So I guess it can
Speaker 2: be positive, but you don't. I'm not going to sit
Speaker 2: here and say, yeah, smash all the rackets in the world.
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Yeah no, no, that that's a
Speaker 1: that's a thoughtful response, Like I I can appreciate that,
Speaker 1: Like I can definitely see how getting that kind of
Speaker 1: competitive spirit out in a physical act can be like helpful.
Speaker 1: I can recognize that and unless it hurts someone else,
Speaker 1: which it isn't exactly. And so it's it's interesting how
Speaker 1: like you're saying, like the greats do it often, but
Speaker 1: the response is like, how did how did that help
Speaker 1: you process things? Versus how did it lead down?
Speaker 2: It's like a complete reset almost so yeah, and I've
Speaker 2: seen it all the time, Like I've seen Djokovic, al
Speaker 2: choraz Serena do these things and it's like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: realize they're not playing up to their standard and they
Speaker 2: go back and you see them breathing, and then it's
Speaker 2: like they've done that. It's like they've reached the limit
Speaker 2: of playing really bad and now it's time to switch that.
Speaker 2: So it's good. I mean, it can be used as
Speaker 2: a research.
Speaker 1: How much is meditation and breathing or mindful it has
Speaker 1: been a part of your world or is that something
Speaker 1: you're discovering or you've been practicing for a while.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm a complete work in progress. Like people
Speaker 2: think that I've got my stuff figured out, and you know,
Speaker 2: I have a nice routine. Like people don't realize that
Speaker 2: having a routine is harder than doing something different and
Speaker 2: having stimulation every day. That's easy, Like waking up and
Speaker 2: doing something different is so easy every day. But can
Speaker 2: you get up week in week out, monthly, yearly doing
Speaker 2: the same routine having the discipline like that's Having a
Speaker 2: routine for me is probably the hardest thing ever. And
Speaker 2: that's been my weakness in my career is consistency. Okay,
Speaker 2: played great that week with Kenny Shop, and I haven't proven.
Speaker 2: I guess that's what I haven't proven, is I've been
Speaker 2: because this is enough to make it this far. But
Speaker 2: am I consistent enough to be a champion?
Speaker 1: Not? And I know that.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm still working progress, whether it's meditation,
Speaker 2: whether it's breathing. Like I started pilates like two months ago.
Speaker 2: I never thought that i'd have stop for light. It's
Speaker 2: like when my girlfriend went to polart Is. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I was led laughing and I started doing it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is I'm still trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: Like breathing for me is a big one. When I'm
Speaker 2: on court, I really am mindful of my breathing. But
Speaker 2: am I I don't even think I'm at that point
Speaker 2: of discipline or consistency yet to meditate. I can't even
Speaker 2: I hate being alone with my thoughts still, I still
Speaker 2: have extremely dark thoughts. So I think I just try
Speaker 2: with easy, you know, consistent habits. You know, go for
Speaker 2: a walk to get a coffe in the morning with
Speaker 2: my girlfriend or you know, just these lighter things. Having
Speaker 2: a routine for me is incredibly hard still, and people
Speaker 2: with routine think, oh they're boring.
Speaker 1: No, they're just they're really.
Speaker 2: Disciplined and consistent with their work. And that's that's really healthy.
Speaker 1: Routines and disciplines, I mean, yeah, they're so hard, so
Speaker 1: hard to build, easy to break, yeah, so easy to
Speaker 1: fall laugh, so hard to get back on, and so
Speaker 1: powerful when you get them right. And yeah, anyone who
Speaker 1: can keep a discipline together every day is it's a
Speaker 1: serious achievement. It is what's the most difficult emotional thought
Speaker 1: that you deal with regularly still, or an emotional thought
Speaker 1: you struggle to deal with still that I'm not enough.
Speaker 2: I think that was the biggest one I think I
Speaker 2: struggled with was I'm letting people down and I'm not enough.
Speaker 2: And that's from you know, millions and millions of opinions
Speaker 2: that have just built up over time. And I can see,
Speaker 2: you know, when I lose a tennis match or when
Speaker 2: I don't achieve things. I can see sometimes my even
Speaker 2: my family get disappointed. And that's just it just ate
Speaker 2: me up for so long, like going on social media
Speaker 2: saying because I was supposed to be the next after
Speaker 2: the Big Three, it was like, Okay, Curious is going
Speaker 2: to take over the mantle. He's going to be the
Speaker 2: one for fifteen years, you know, being professional winning Grand slams.
Speaker 2: And I think back on my career and I didn't
Speaker 2: even get close, not even a quarter of what people
Speaker 2: thought that I should have achieved with the talent that
Speaker 2: I have. And I still deal with it.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 2: I'm never going to achieve what all these people thought
Speaker 2: I was gonna achieve. But I've had tough conversations with
Speaker 2: myself in the mirror, saying like, am I okay with
Speaker 2: not maybe winning a Grand Slam? Am I okay with
Speaker 2: not achieving? And I am I'm okay with that, But
Speaker 2: it's still hard because it's like I know that my
Speaker 2: family would love that like they maybe would they they
Speaker 2: would prefer me being that type of champion or this person.
Speaker 2: And I really did struggle with that early on, Like
Speaker 2: it's hard. Everyone wants you to be something that you're not.
Speaker 2: But the one thing that they kind of understand more
Speaker 2: is that I'm happier being this this way. I'm happier
Speaker 2: just being myself and having some fun and just doing
Speaker 2: it my way. And I'm so thankful that the most
Speaker 2: important people are, they cannot just understand. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that that's what they want, but the at least they
Speaker 2: can understand it now. But yeah, that's been. That was
Speaker 2: the hardest thing.
Speaker 1: I think for me, that makes sense. Nick, You've been incredible, man,
Speaker 1: this has been. What I really appreciate about you is
Speaker 1: the genuine, authentic, raw, real answers, Like I can tell
Speaker 1: what I'm sitting with you, I'm listening to someone who's not.
Speaker 1: It's interesting in a press conference it seems like you
Speaker 1: don't filter the combativeness, and today I'm like, you're not
Speaker 1: filtering to make yourself look a different way or a
Speaker 1: peer a different way. You just being who you are.
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that because I think we all
Speaker 1: need to make sense of it. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of us who are struggling with that feeling of
Speaker 1: not being enough, or not living up to the expectations
Speaker 1: of our family, or not having achieved the goals that
Speaker 1: everyone else thought we'd set out to. I think that's
Speaker 1: more of us in life than the people who go
Speaker 1: on to achieve everything. And the interesting thing is, even
Speaker 1: the people that go on to achieve everything that everyone
Speaker 1: wanted them to, they're not happy either, because they often
Speaker 1: find that they went in one at things that they
Speaker 1: didn't care about. They lost themselves and they lost themselves.
Speaker 1: And so I know that this is going to resonate
Speaker 1: with a lot of people. But as you know, we
Speaker 1: end every on Purpose episode with a final five. These
Speaker 1: questions have to be answered in one word to one
Speaker 1: sentence maximum okay, and so Nick curious, these are your
Speaker 1: final five. The first question is what is the best
Speaker 1: advice you've ever heard or received.
Speaker 2: It's never as good as it seems, and it's never
Speaker 2: as bad as it seems.
Speaker 1: Who said that? Where did you learn that?
Speaker 2: So he was one of my tennis coaches, and I
Speaker 2: feel like that was very tennis specific because when I
Speaker 2: was on court, I had the talent to like amaze
Speaker 2: millions of people, but I always went on court and
Speaker 2: tried to do that, where he was like, you don't
Speaker 2: have to do that. These people paid to come what
Speaker 2: you played just because of how you just are.
Speaker 1: So I always was.
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, maybe I don't have to try as hard.
Speaker 2: And then when I was playing bad, I used to
Speaker 2: think I was playing horrific, but then he was like,
Speaker 2: you're bad for most people. Is still amazing so it's
Speaker 2: not that bad. And then I started carrying that to
Speaker 2: everyday life, like when I was having some really bad moments,
Speaker 2: and everyone thinks when they're going through the struggle, like
Speaker 2: this is the worst part of my life, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is not the worst part of your life. It's
Speaker 2: just going through a bad phase. So that's why I'm
Speaker 2: never too high anymore. With some amazing achievements, like when
Speaker 2: I finals of Wimbledon, to most people is an amazing achievement,
Speaker 2: and it is, but I wasn't, like, so I carried
Speaker 2: my trophy with me and I'm like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a felt like I just you know, it's an amazing
Speaker 2: achievement and it's in the past now. So I think
Speaker 2: just being able to ride the highs and the lows
Speaker 2: the same. I think when you're able to do that,
Speaker 2: it's you can just navigate through life a little easier.
Speaker 2: And you know that's actually the quote above the Wimbledon
Speaker 2: court is when you can look at a victory in
Speaker 2: a loss the same way, that's when you've conquered life
Speaker 2: a little bit. So I think, yeah, that's like the
Speaker 2: final thing you see above the core as it's opening
Speaker 2: up I'm not sure that's the exact quote, but it's
Speaker 2: along those lines. So that quote there is very similar
Speaker 2: to that. It's never as bad as it seems, never
Speaker 2: as good as it seems. Nice.
Speaker 1: I love that second question, what is the worst advice
Speaker 1: you've ever heard or received? It's not that simple. I
Speaker 1: don't like.
Speaker 2: I think about when I've had my success. You know,
Speaker 2: I've eaten healthy, I've been active, and I've just worked hard.
Speaker 1: Those it's it really is simple for everyone.
Speaker 2: I think if you just break it down into nice,
Speaker 2: simple categories, you're going to get the best out of
Speaker 2: yourself and you're going to have success whatever whatever that is.
Speaker 2: Success is different for everyone. But it's not that simple.
Speaker 2: The amount of times I heard that in school, from
Speaker 2: tennis coaches, from everything, it really if they told me
Speaker 2: it's simple, like do these things and you'll probably get
Speaker 2: the best out yourself. So yeah, it's not that simple.
Speaker 2: I hated hearing it because it really was to get
Speaker 2: in my position, it is quite simple. Yeah, it's it's hard,
Speaker 2: but the steps to getting it it's it's actually very simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not easy, but it's simple. Yeah, yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: I would agree. Question number three, what's something that you've
Speaker 1: been trying to unlearn.
Speaker 2: That's that's a hard one because I've had to unlearn
Speaker 2: nearly everything that I thought like, because you know, I
Speaker 2: meet so many people, I'm not really following your rules
Speaker 2: of keeping it short.
Speaker 1: That's cool, man, it's good.
Speaker 2: They're good answers, but a lot, you know, I've met
Speaker 2: so many people, and I thought that i'd meet a
Speaker 2: lot of I thought i'd meet a lot of cool
Speaker 2: people and good, genuine people on the way. But I've
Speaker 2: been really disappointed. I feel like I feel being in
Speaker 2: our position. It's hard every time you meet someone, you
Speaker 2: don't know if anyone genuinely wants to be your friend
Speaker 2: or hang out with you or you know, go to
Speaker 2: dinner with you because we're good people, or is just
Speaker 2: do you want to just be around us because of it?
Speaker 2: And that's just a common struggle I think that I
Speaker 2: deal with every day. I really do struggle with that
Speaker 2: because I'm a genuine person. I only want to hang
Speaker 2: out with you if I think you're cool and you're.
Speaker 1: You've got a good heart.
Speaker 2: So I think I I thought that a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to unlearn that everyone has good intentions. I
Speaker 2: felt like everyone should have that and everyone doesn't.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, and that's a hard one. That's a really
Speaker 1: hard one. And I can resonate with that too. I
Speaker 1: think sometimes it's really interesting, right, like when you're I
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes if I get along with someone or
Speaker 1: I feel like a natural sense of chemistry with someone,
Speaker 1: I can come on quite strong. But I'm just being
Speaker 1: who I am and I'm okay with that. Like I'll
Speaker 1: be like someone, Hey, we should hang out or whatever, exactly.
Speaker 1: And I like living that way because to me, that's
Speaker 1: how I've made some of my best friends. If I
Speaker 1: wasn't like that.
Speaker 2: You try to sheltered, how you're going to experience like
Speaker 2: the good times.
Speaker 1: Totally, and I've opened myself up to then. Sometimes people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, well, maybe he has something that he wants.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, not really, just that's just who I am.
Speaker 1: I just feel good, yeah, exactly, And so I can
Speaker 1: relate to that, all right. Question number four. A rule
Speaker 1: everyone should break and a rule everyone should follow.
Speaker 2: M I prefer the follow one. I think, God, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm going to give that to you. I'm
Speaker 2: going to give that to you. I can't answer rule
Speaker 2: everyone should break. Yeah. I actually I can't answer it.
Speaker 1: Asked it before. I just got inspired to ask it
Speaker 1: to your everyone should break. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 1: of rules that the world sets that we think everyone
Speaker 1: should break. And so let me think of a rule.
Speaker 1: The way I would think about it is, what are
Speaker 1: rules that we were all told, like even unwritten rules
Speaker 1: that we all heard since we were young that now
Speaker 1: I look at it and I go, yeah, we should.
Speaker 2: Break that rule, and you expected me to that's the question, and.
Speaker 1: You no, no, No, I want to give a genuine
Speaker 1: answer because the way you have answers to pretty much everything. Well,
Speaker 1: I like, I like to be thoughtful because it literally
Speaker 1: I came up with that question right now, just for you,
Speaker 1: Like it was a moment thing. It wasn't a the
Speaker 1: I would say that like an unwritten rule or like
Speaker 1: a rule that I think everyone was told to follow.
Speaker 1: Was like I feel like when you were growing up,
Speaker 1: you were told to fit in, yes, and then when
Speaker 1: you get older you're told to stand out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. It's like if you want to be successful when
Speaker 1: you're a kid, fit in where the uniform, standing in line,
Speaker 1: do well in school. It's like everyone's told to fit
Speaker 1: in and then as you get older, if you want
Speaker 1: to win at whatever career part, you gotta be different.
Speaker 1: You gotta be authentic. It's like wait a minute. And
Speaker 1: so instead of fitting in or trying to stand out,
Speaker 1: the rule to break is to say, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to fit in or I'm not going to stand out.
Speaker 1: I Am just going to learn to discover myself. And
Speaker 1: I think it's not even about being you. I think
Speaker 1: that's the cheesy answer of like, just be yourself. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's about being yourself. I think it's about
Speaker 1: discovering yourself and getting to know yourself. And so the
Speaker 1: rule we need to break is stop trying to fit
Speaker 1: in or stand out. Just get to know yourself. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: just figure it out is what comes to mind anyway.
Speaker 2: So I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go with that. You just keep flipping them
Speaker 1: back on. I like it. It's smart, it's good, it's
Speaker 1: good PR tradings. This is a masterclass in PR training.
Speaker 1: From the fifth and final question, if you could create
Speaker 1: one law. We asked this to every guest of all time.
Speaker 1: If you could create one law that everyone in the
Speaker 1: world had to follow, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Before you criticize someone, you have to do what they
Speaker 2: do for one day. So like if someone criticizes my
Speaker 2: tennis game, they need to get on the court and
Speaker 2: try and play. Or like if I was criticized someone
Speaker 2: that I had to go, I think that should be
Speaker 2: a law before you. If you're willing to criticize, then
Speaker 2: you're going to be that person for one day and
Speaker 2: deal with everything that that that person deals with.
Speaker 1: That is a brilliant answer. I love that we never
Speaker 1: had that on the show, and I love that that
Speaker 1: would be amazing if you actually became that person for
Speaker 1: a day, you had to swap lives. Anyone you judge
Speaker 1: do or criticized, you had to swap lives with them
Speaker 1: for one day. That would be phenomenal. And it's not
Speaker 1: like it's not like a holiday.
Speaker 2: It's like a business day.
Speaker 1: It's not like a party, like a Saturday night going
Speaker 1: and I know it's like.
Speaker 2: The working day. Yeah, Because then I would think I
Speaker 2: would think twice, Like I've criticized basketball players anyone, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, oh you are, and then it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: you don't do the day thing. I actually no, because
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people in my position would.
Speaker 1: Like they would freak out.
Speaker 2: I think if I had to go out and play
Speaker 2: a match in front of the stadiums, then do the
Speaker 2: press conference and then deal with the criticism and I
Speaker 2: had to real like feel the realness.
Speaker 1: Of it all, they wouldn't want to criticize again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that, low man. Yeah, that's a good law.
Speaker 1: Here's a good law. It's a good low. Nick, curious, Nick,
Speaker 1: this has been such a joy and pleasure, man, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You totally over delivered and for what it's worth, from
Speaker 1: the moment we started messaging to meeting you today to
Speaker 1: having this conversation, you're a genuinely nice guy. Man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I've enjoyed every minute we've spent together
Speaker 1: and I look forward to many more. Thank you, genuinely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been fun. Thank you, Thank you man. Of course,
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